FYI..............the technique does not matter. It is not a handful of chiropractors it is chiropractic. It is not theoretical it just IS. :0) Be checked....get adjusted.
It's sad that so many unsuspecting people fall for this type of Snake Oil. Folks, Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage. This is why there's no scientific method behind it. This is why there are so many different versions of it (which version of Chiropractic are you getting?). It's an alternative medicine with ZERO scientific research behind it. However, if you like expensive massages, by all means, enjoy!
Apparently I can't post links here. Google 'upcspine' and go to the first listing. Here you can find a qualified upper cervical chiropractor and find research on the technique.
if you could please use your intelligence and find where i could find one of these chiropractors i'd be pretty grateful. I live near houston, thats a good thing...
"All" chiropractors (DC) perform upper cervical adjustments that lower high blood pressure.
"All" DC's are trained in upper cervical technique(s). NUCCA not the only technique to reduce BP!
Go to DC, upper cervical x-ray and analysis, spinal adjustment, monitor BP. Medical coresspondent suggests going to MD to see if candidate? LOL! a DC is a primary doctor, no referral required. FYI: DC completes 500 hrs. "More" primary health care sciences (5000 hrs.) than MD (4500 hrs.).
"A DC is a primary doctor"? You people kill me... you would have the general public believe that a DC and an MD/DO FP/IM are interchangable and thats a crime! Why is it that the most common reason DC's get sued is failure to refer to a "real" doctor? A physician has never been sued for failure to refer to a DC.
Give it up with your "we get more education than MD's", thats just a function of the fact that 3rd/4th year medical students are learning in hospitals, not still sitting in a classroom!
bj, DC, MD, and DO are the three federal and state regulated primary care physicians. Yes it's a fact: Chiros (DC) complete most primary health care education contact hours. DC's rather spend time with health science education and spinal adjusting techniques than hang out in hospitals observing very sick people who more than likely are there due to their lifelong participation in the medical model of health care by addressing symptoms and crisis with toxic drugs. Enough said.
I am a lawyer. Chiropractors are most often sued for hotpack burns, not a lack of referral. Actually more medical physicians are sued annually for a lack of referral and thus negligent care. By far, many more negative consequences occur when performed by an MD/DO -vs- DC. Yes, I agree that DC's are spinal experts, but they are educated in all areas of PRIMARY health concerns.
He does acknowledge that you're correct but why does chiropractic need an MD's acknowledgement is the point. We've all been led to believe that conventional medicine rules the roost, thats the real problem. This is blatent arrogance on part of ABC and Dr. Johnson. For the record I am not against conventional medicine, I thoroughly belive it has its place. However that place is not to criticise or police alternative practices. Besides, they have enough problems of their own to worry about.
He rightly acknowledges that the research is good (with limits) and provokes intrigue for further studies. He does not appear to be either anti or pro chiropractic, but gives a thoughtful and reasoned response.
The Doctor interviewed is quite correct in that more research is needed and that patients should see their family doctor first. MANY things could be causing the BP to be raised, some of which that will not respond to upper cervical manipulation, whether by a chiro, osteopath or a PT. However, I am surprised that you are anti-him!!
I don't know where to start with this interview... It's a chiropractic story, but instead of talking to a chiropractor who could actually give a structural explanation of the adjustment, they talk to an old-fashioned MD who knows absolutely nothing about it? Tim Johnson I believe has made an absolute fool of himself and has used arrogance to further fuel medicine's reputation as being largely ignorant of health.
1. "Intriguing..the idea..manipulation of neck.. result lowering blood pressure." Wrong - it is well established.
2. "Obvious limitations to the study..." Wrong - the study is more thorough than many of the studies which clear the drugs you would likely pump into your patients.
3. "Well the truth is we really don't know." Wrong - YOU don't know. Chiropractors do. How the hell does Johnson think the adjustment method and the study was conceived?
4. "To a doctor, or to a chiropractor." Wrong - chiropractors are also referred to as doctors. Stop thinking the term "doctor" is owned by the medical community.
5. "You wouldn't really know unless you got an x-ray." Wrong - disalignment can be detected using hands on the area... why do you think they feel around there?
6. "The medical world will pay attention to this because of the significant drop in blood pressure." Wrong - the medical world will ignore anything that doesn't involve the application of profitable synthetic chemicals. It is process-rich and outcome-poor.
7. "There's a lot of unanswered questions..." Wrong - you could find out everything you claim to not know in this interview by talking to any chiropractor whom does not suffer from amnesia.
8. "Go to your family doctor and see if this is right for you." How the hell would a GP know if this is right for you?
9. Unsurprisingly, the interview failed to mention that high blood pressure is a bodily function which is protection from an underlying, more dangerous cause. Blood pressure just restricts the self-regulation of high blood pressure and allows the more serious ailment to run rife in the body. While a chiropractor frees up the nervous system to heal the underlying cause and, in turn, the resulting hypertension.
Chiropractic (as a science) has had over 100 years to prove, through credible research, that spinal subluxation (a) correlates to organ disfunction (b) can be fixed by spinal manipulation. Interestingly enough...in 100 year chiropractic has NOT proven this. It is a scientific FACT. Spinal 'subluxation' is not correlated to organ disfunction and it CANNOT be fixed by spinal manipulation. Chiropractic, as a 'science' is nothing more than a really great marketing ploy. Chiropractors sell snake oil.
I love how the MD wiggles when he has to admit that chiropractic treatment of the atlas will reduce hypertension. By the way, ALL chiropractors can adjust the atlas and it doesn't take special training. He's just using this verbage to, later on, get the legislature to make a law that only "specially trained" docs can do this. (meaning one of "them" MDs) Looks like they're trying to take away more of the pie from chiros.
there is a big difference between a specific Upper cervical correction and a diversified manipulation in the upper neck.This does not mean that doing diverisfied on the neck cannot cause a change in blood pressure. However to say that regular chiropractic is the same as Upper Cervical is simply not true. While at this moment we have no research to prove this, in the coming years we will start to find out through research which technique gets superior results.
Well yea. But the fact is that many DCs are trained in toggle recoil. Everyone from Palmer is, everyone from life and Sherman are so it is not like only a "few" are trained. I think this was the upper cervical chiros of a certain technique saying this. But we all know that upper cervical toggle recoil is taught to a great deal of the profession.
well if you think learning recoil in a class for one semester is enough to practice upper cervical competently then I guess we have a problem within our profession. Go look at the tapes of BJ and his classes do toggle. The you have a toggle recoild worth talking about. Just cuz you manipulate the neck doesn't make you UC. That is like saying if you can use a knife and cut someone you are a heart surgeon. Little more to it than just manipulationg some bones!!!!!!
Well my friend the truth is that most of the upper cervical people no matter who they are are adjusting wrong anyway. Not the way BJ said to. And UC adjusting aint all that complex. People have just created new systems to sell. The proper way to adjust the atlas is with the patient prone or on a UC knee chest table with the head rotated. Not with the patient on their side. But anyway you can adjust on the side it is just not the right way. And like I said it is not rocket science.
And like I say the chiros in this video are adjusting wrong and they are still getting results. And while being specific is great Innate Intelligence can do more with not so specific forces as people think, After all Innate Intelligence makes the adjustment..Not the chiro. So most of the time if you are on the correct side and give a decent toggle II can use that force to achieve adjustment. So don't think 95% of chiros doing toggle cannot get good results. They can.
If you are looking for research on what an UC adjustment can do look to Dr. Sweat, and Atlas Orthogonal. They seem to the most research within this profession.
There is some research already that Chiro adjustment can have an effect on other systems than just musculoskeletal. For example there is a study which points out that low back adjustment can significantly help women with painful periods. Please, don't be too skeptical just read the research!
it's not manipulation, it's adjustment. specificity is key. however, this is only one of the criteria that distinguishes it from common spinal manipulation. most health problems, not just most cases of high blood pressure, are due to cord pressure from atlas subluxation. though it has been around for about eighty years, it appears hio upper cervical specific chiropractic and it's developer, b.j. palmer may finally be beginning to get the public attention and credit they deserve.
FYI..............the technique does not matter. It is not a handful of chiropractors it is chiropractic. It is not theoretical it just IS. :0) Be checked....get adjusted.
drmb2008 2 years ago
Exactly, I have seen this in my own practice with Diversified techniques.
chirojanee 2 years ago
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It's sad that so many unsuspecting people fall for this type of Snake Oil. Folks, Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage. This is why there's no scientific method behind it. This is why there are so many different versions of it (which version of Chiropractic are you getting?). It's an alternative medicine with ZERO scientific research behind it. However, if you like expensive massages, by all means, enjoy!
Kevitivity 3 years ago
Apparently I can't post links here. Google 'upcspine' and go to the first listing. Here you can find a qualified upper cervical chiropractor and find research on the technique.
oiffer 3 years ago
where the FUCK can i get this done
CACTUSSACK778 3 years ago
use your intelligence
Energyium 3 years ago
if you could please use your intelligence and find where i could find one of these chiropractors i'd be pretty grateful. I live near houston, thats a good thing...
CACTUSSACK778 3 years ago
google "chiropractors houston texas"
or use the yellow pages
Energyium 3 years ago
thats the first thing i tried. These guys are hard to find. The vid says only a "handful" know this technique
CACTUSSACK778 3 years ago
"All" chiropractors (DC) perform upper cervical adjustments that lower high blood pressure.
"All" DC's are trained in upper cervical technique(s). NUCCA not the only technique to reduce BP!
Go to DC, upper cervical x-ray and analysis, spinal adjustment, monitor BP. Medical coresspondent suggests going to MD to see if candidate? LOL! a DC is a primary doctor, no referral required. FYI: DC completes 500 hrs. "More" primary health care sciences (5000 hrs.) than MD (4500 hrs.).
chiropractic47 2 years ago 3
"A DC is a primary doctor"? You people kill me... you would have the general public believe that a DC and an MD/DO FP/IM are interchangable and thats a crime! Why is it that the most common reason DC's get sued is failure to refer to a "real" doctor? A physician has never been sued for failure to refer to a DC.
Give it up with your "we get more education than MD's", thats just a function of the fact that 3rd/4th year medical students are learning in hospitals, not still sitting in a classroom!
bjs8145 2 years ago
bj, DC, MD, and DO are the three federal and state regulated primary care physicians. Yes it's a fact: Chiros (DC) complete most primary health care education contact hours. DC's rather spend time with health science education and spinal adjusting techniques than hang out in hospitals observing very sick people who more than likely are there due to their lifelong participation in the medical model of health care by addressing symptoms and crisis with toxic drugs. Enough said.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I am a lawyer. Chiropractors are most often sued for hotpack burns, not a lack of referral. Actually more medical physicians are sued annually for a lack of referral and thus negligent care. By far, many more negative consequences occur when performed by an MD/DO -vs- DC. Yes, I agree that DC's are spinal experts, but they are educated in all areas of PRIMARY health concerns.
yyobs 2 years ago
He does acknowledge that you're correct but why does chiropractic need an MD's acknowledgement is the point. We've all been led to believe that conventional medicine rules the roost, thats the real problem. This is blatent arrogance on part of ABC and Dr. Johnson. For the record I am not against conventional medicine, I thoroughly belive it has its place. However that place is not to criticise or police alternative practices. Besides, they have enough problems of their own to worry about.
JohnnyChiro 3 years ago 2
He rightly acknowledges that the research is good (with limits) and provokes intrigue for further studies. He does not appear to be either anti or pro chiropractic, but gives a thoughtful and reasoned response.
innesmorton 3 years ago
The Doctor interviewed is quite correct in that more research is needed and that patients should see their family doctor first. MANY things could be causing the BP to be raised, some of which that will not respond to upper cervical manipulation, whether by a chiro, osteopath or a PT. However, I am surprised that you are anti-him!!
innesmorton 3 years ago
I don't know where to start with this interview... It's a chiropractic story, but instead of talking to a chiropractor who could actually give a structural explanation of the adjustment, they talk to an old-fashioned MD who knows absolutely nothing about it? Tim Johnson I believe has made an absolute fool of himself and has used arrogance to further fuel medicine's reputation as being largely ignorant of health.
wheezer6au 3 years ago 2
1. "Intriguing..the idea..manipulation of neck.. result lowering blood pressure." Wrong - it is well established.
2. "Obvious limitations to the study..." Wrong - the study is more thorough than many of the studies which clear the drugs you would likely pump into your patients.
wheezer6au 3 years ago
3. "Well the truth is we really don't know." Wrong - YOU don't know. Chiropractors do. How the hell does Johnson think the adjustment method and the study was conceived?
4. "To a doctor, or to a chiropractor." Wrong - chiropractors are also referred to as doctors. Stop thinking the term "doctor" is owned by the medical community.
wheezer6au 3 years ago
5. "You wouldn't really know unless you got an x-ray." Wrong - disalignment can be detected using hands on the area... why do you think they feel around there?
6. "The medical world will pay attention to this because of the significant drop in blood pressure." Wrong - the medical world will ignore anything that doesn't involve the application of profitable synthetic chemicals. It is process-rich and outcome-poor.
wheezer6au 3 years ago
7. "There's a lot of unanswered questions..." Wrong - you could find out everything you claim to not know in this interview by talking to any chiropractor whom does not suffer from amnesia.
8. "Go to your family doctor and see if this is right for you." How the hell would a GP know if this is right for you?
wheezer6au 3 years ago
9. Unsurprisingly, the interview failed to mention that high blood pressure is a bodily function which is protection from an underlying, more dangerous cause. Blood pressure just restricts the self-regulation of high blood pressure and allows the more serious ailment to run rife in the body. While a chiropractor frees up the nervous system to heal the underlying cause and, in turn, the resulting hypertension.
wheezer6au 3 years ago
I love how the MD medical advisor has to differentiate between the doctor and chiropractors, as if their both not doctors.
I have never seen someone squirm that much, haha!
dynamicwellness33 3 years ago
great info! my chiropractor knows upper cervical as well as diversified so good news for me!
dr0ckstar 3 years ago
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Chiropractic (as a science) has had over 100 years to prove, through credible research, that spinal subluxation (a) correlates to organ disfunction (b) can be fixed by spinal manipulation. Interestingly enough...in 100 year chiropractic has NOT proven this. It is a scientific FACT. Spinal 'subluxation' is not correlated to organ disfunction and it CANNOT be fixed by spinal manipulation. Chiropractic, as a 'science' is nothing more than a really great marketing ploy. Chiropractors sell snake oil.
rpdarrow 3 years ago
I love how the MD wiggles when he has to admit that chiropractic treatment of the atlas will reduce hypertension. By the way, ALL chiropractors can adjust the atlas and it doesn't take special training. He's just using this verbage to, later on, get the legislature to make a law that only "specially trained" docs can do this. (meaning one of "them" MDs) Looks like they're trying to take away more of the pie from chiros.
drnightster 3 years ago 3
there is a big difference between a specific Upper cervical correction and a diversified manipulation in the upper neck.This does not mean that doing diverisfied on the neck cannot cause a change in blood pressure. However to say that regular chiropractic is the same as Upper Cervical is simply not true. While at this moment we have no research to prove this, in the coming years we will start to find out through research which technique gets superior results.
redondomolly 3 years ago
Well yea. But the fact is that many DCs are trained in toggle recoil. Everyone from Palmer is, everyone from life and Sherman are so it is not like only a "few" are trained. I think this was the upper cervical chiros of a certain technique saying this. But we all know that upper cervical toggle recoil is taught to a great deal of the profession.
dwulster 3 years ago
well if you think learning recoil in a class for one semester is enough to practice upper cervical competently then I guess we have a problem within our profession. Go look at the tapes of BJ and his classes do toggle. The you have a toggle recoild worth talking about. Just cuz you manipulate the neck doesn't make you UC. That is like saying if you can use a knife and cut someone you are a heart surgeon. Little more to it than just manipulationg some bones!!!!!!
subluxationskill 3 years ago
Well my friend the truth is that most of the upper cervical people no matter who they are are adjusting wrong anyway. Not the way BJ said to. And UC adjusting aint all that complex. People have just created new systems to sell. The proper way to adjust the atlas is with the patient prone or on a UC knee chest table with the head rotated. Not with the patient on their side. But anyway you can adjust on the side it is just not the right way. And like I said it is not rocket science.
dwulster 3 years ago
And like I say the chiros in this video are adjusting wrong and they are still getting results. And while being specific is great Innate Intelligence can do more with not so specific forces as people think, After all Innate Intelligence makes the adjustment..Not the chiro. So most of the time if you are on the correct side and give a decent toggle II can use that force to achieve adjustment. So don't think 95% of chiros doing toggle cannot get good results. They can.
dwulster 3 years ago
If you are looking for research on what an UC adjustment can do look to Dr. Sweat, and Atlas Orthogonal. They seem to the most research within this profession.
silateer 3 years ago
There is some research already that Chiro adjustment can have an effect on other systems than just musculoskeletal. For example there is a study which points out that low back adjustment can significantly help women with painful periods. Please, don't be too skeptical just read the research!
Jani130177 3 years ago 2
kinda stupid bout how skeptical they are about chiropractic
pinaychinita 3 years ago 2
Really cool, but we just expose a little part of what chiropractic can do. Chiropractic look at the globality of human.
benotd 3 years ago
it's not manipulation, it's adjustment. specificity is key. however, this is only one of the criteria that distinguishes it from common spinal manipulation. most health problems, not just most cases of high blood pressure, are due to cord pressure from atlas subluxation. though it has been around for about eighty years, it appears hio upper cervical specific chiropractic and it's developer, b.j. palmer may finally be beginning to get the public attention and credit they deserve.
hiodr 3 years ago 2