Christians are incapable of honest reasoning. This evidence from their own book means absolutely nothing as they're masters at creating excuses. I find it unbelievable that we have scholars and apologists still defending the morality and "historical" veracity in the Bible. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Best humor on youtube? Go watch a muslim apologist defending the koran.
When I was talking to a Christian, I cannot recall from which video, I mentioned that Hitler was a Christian. The Christian told me that I "was wrong" and that Hitler was "an atheist"! I was not too certain concerning that, so I looked it up on the internet. Found the quote where Hitler said "As a Christian I..." (explained why killing Jews was okay) and later learned that he hated atheists according to his own words. So, he was not an atheist... the Christian did not respond on that again. :)
Speaking of Jesus, Rev. 19:5 says "out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron (HAMMER)." This is an echo of Psa. 2, and clearly supports the type of rule that Hitler exercised. It's a pity that so few Christians realize this. Christianity is about ABSOLUTE authority. There is no real free will in it whatsoever.
While you're at it, explain how the holohoax is real, this should be a good one.
Can defend your commie mass murders if you like, 167 million men women and children later, oh but athiesm is such fun, not like thoughs other bigots and "racists".
Atheism is a form of religion today, has the same ignorance/arrogance that follows it, cults of personality, and has the same inability to let people be and get on with their lives. :)
@CelticAngloPress How is atheism like religion? How is it ignorant? Arrogant? Where are these cults of personality, and to whom? And how is it stopping anyone from living their lives? Care to explain?
Hitchen, Marx, Trotsky, Engles, Lenin, Marcuse, Adarno, could go on and on, worshipped by many like any cult.
Also the anti-western anti-white radically ant-christian venom one spews on a non-stop basis (and this is coming from a non-religion person heh) and the constant need to throw ones athiesm in the face as if one need to require a reward for getting past being 12 yrs old...
Its is rhetorical question, we both know it, will await your predictable response.
@CelticAngloPress "Atheism is a form of religion." That's absurd. It's like saying heterosexuality is a form of homosexuality. Redefining religion to include atheism only works if you're willing to alter the meaning of religion beyond recognition.
Atheism has tonnes in common with religion, both have a radical bent on persecution for peoples beliefs (Communism was the greatest expression of the Atheistic mindset)
Atheists are very radical and often have a hard time not shoving their views and 'Atheism" down others throats, an inability to live and let live.
Also a firm arrogance and ignorance follows both, not to mention misrepresentation, out right lying, and propaganda.
@CelticAngloPress Atheism is the defualt opinion. Moral discussions like your views and obvious bais agianst Communism are not an arguement. youre only explianing the human nature.Not the differences between one nature or the other its the appeal of commonalities, which is a waste of breath.I have stuff in common wit alot of people that I disagree with morally, but that remains irrelevant.Atheism Doesnt say anything accept maybe "There is no god" Everything else you cite about it is simply human
@CelticAngloPress The fact of the matter is Science and Secularism gives us what we need from a world view. Nothing you see before you is possible without it. That is why atheists commonly Are out spoken or in your inane view "radical".agian this is a human commonality which atheism doesnt suggest would go away. also a radical Atheistic move, The creation of the USA. Seperating Church and state is absolutely needed for freedom and justice.In other words The state should stay atheist.
nice video, i didnt even know all those passages that are pretty much telling you to be mind controlled sheeple for the government and ive always mantained a belief that religions was always just used control people through fear used to be god and the devil heaven and hell now its terrorist and weapons of mass destruction with a slight kick of god told me too o.O lol
@rebelsneverdie are u an idiot or are you just pretending? if anyone does any terrorist activiry, it is IN SPITE of the Bible's teaching, not because of it. these passages all have an explanation that totally debunks idiots who use them to justify their immoral activities
@tinytiger56 ok then troll debunk away im waiting...and its not in spite of the bibles teachings look at the crusade's the knights templar the fighting between israilites and palisitinians and jews for DECADES, are you just fucking ignorant or pretending to be ? or maybe youre one of those religious nuts. debunk and prove me wrong, if they had all these apparent debunks in the passages shit wouldnt happen the way it does.. you fucking tool...
@rebelsneverdie "so you have to argue that the bible supports terrorism." i never made any statement that said it did.... nice try though you might wanna knwo what you are arguing before you try to argue with someone...
@tinytiger56 no i was asking you show me these "passages" that debunk the theory and not once did i say anything about it itself being a terrorist idealism im saying they both are two words that are used to instill fear into people and use that fear to control them but maybe if you had of actually read my post you would get that fail troll failed though.
Again and again Israel went back to idolatry ...They wanted a god they could put on a shelf. As sin and lawlessness became common, God allowed oppresive rulers to reign over them. Dosn't always fit with modern Christianity.... When Israel repented God gave them freedom again... He can take down world governments without a problem when He wants. In the meantime as people lead destructive life styles they will once again go under captivity.
contention 1: not that you are right but even if you were, this would at most bring the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy into question not God's existence & nature into question.
contention 2: the Nazi agendas & other such horrible agendas could easily not be defined as government & thus the opposition by Christians of such would be amply justified
contention 3: "there is no authority except from God" could easily mean that Hitler had no authority, not that his so-called "authority" was from God
@tinytiger56 "contention 1: not that you are right but even if you were, this would at most bring the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy into question not God's existence & nature into question."
It's been a while since I made this, but I don't recall saying anything about proving there is no god. So, the relevance of your "contention 1" is not entirely clear to me.
"contention 2: the Nazi agendas & other such horrible agendas could easily not be defined as government"
(con't) @tinytiger56 "contention 3: "there is no authority except from God" could easily mean that Hitler had no authority, not that his so-called "authority" was from God"
Easily if one ignores the facts of history--e.g., that Hitler very much *did* have authority--and biblical facts--e.g., that the passage in Romans was composed when Nero was emperor of Rome. You might want to think this one through a bit more. It's not as easy as you seem to have convinced yourself it is.
@ProfMTH i was making that first contention for the benefit of others to make sure they took this in proper perspective. the second contention, the definition of government...i havent thought this one thru for several hours but off the top of my head there is no authority but from God. God by definition will not self contradict.
@ProfMTH therefore God never issues a command inconsistent with his nature. therefore anyone with authority (not someone with people willingly submitting as with Hitler but with actual authority from God) will not issue a command contrary to God's nature. therefore when a person who has people willingly submitting under him (hitler, nero) he wont issue a command inconsistent with God's nature. therefore it can easily be asserted and defended that nero and hitler and others like them had no
Right, yes, let's listen to Jesus who told us "give to Caesar what is Caesar's", "love your enemies", and "turn the other cheek". The first is self-explanatory, the second would have us do anything but kill the Nazi soldiers (how would that be loving, especially considering it would likely send them to hell?), and the third would leave us submissive sitting ducks in a world ruled by a genocidal dictator.
@IndianaJoel93 I can't speak for every individual Nazi, but Hitler was a Christian. Apologists try to dispute this, saying he left his Catholic roots, but he stated in Mein Kampf that he was "fighting for the work of the lord". In a speech in 1939, he said that he never lost his belief. He prayed at the end of a 1941 speech. There's more.
@IndianaJoel93 Nazis were definitely christian.Hitler's beliefs are unclear but he was definitely a theists who was against atheism. October 24, 1933, Hitler stated: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
@gumbor08 Christians do not believe in genicide. Proper Christians believe in loving all, peace on earth, equality, just read Jesus' teachings, he was the hippy of his day!
@IndianaJoel93 hippies are the opposite of Jesus. they mixed truth and error. think about it. peace...we can allow homosexuality in the name of peace. 30 years later homosexuals give violent demonstrations of their intent of being equal or dominant in society. peace was just satans excuse to put more violence in society
@rebelsneverdie i could eat alphabet soup and crap out a better comment than you gave. i can only debunk an argument. i cant debunk something that doesnt exist so you have to argue that the bible supports terrorism. in order to do that you have to show the bible passages that do. until u do that the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
@gumbor08 no. they PROFESSED christianity but they did all of this in spite of the Bible not because of it. u have to obey the bible to be a christian and they disobeyed the bible so they were not christian
This plays back to the early christian idea that they belived themselves seperate from the world (modern christians think this but don't act this). If youre only on this earth for a short period of time and the most important thing is maintaining purity of your soul then revolution or fighting injustice is a distraction. Also early christians realized that depostism and suffering were great recruitment tools.
I'm going to regret typing this but i'm going to anyway. Why do christians argue with atheists? You're not even suppose to say hello to atheists, let alone argue with them. some are saying just to ignore everything but what jesus said, but jesus said to follow the laws. also to turn the other cheek. either way you're ignoring what jesus actually taught by getting angry with people you'll never meet. why is it so important to you that everyone agrees with you? step back a minute and think WWJD?
@alienbeing00 Christians are commanded to spreads thier faith to those who have not heard it and are also commanded to be ready to defend thier faith. Athiests are for the most part not anti-thiest god deniers but simply have not been convinced, a christian's job is to convince.
To me, this is simple. Jesus never mentions Paul. Paul had his opinions many of which were wrong, at least outside of his world. Christianity does not say that God appointed Hitler. Paul throws out some comment that some Christians fold into Christianity. Once you are out of the four gospels you are on your own.
Christians need to disentangle themselves from 2,000 years of tradition and read the "RED LETTERS". If Jesus did not say it then ignore it. If Jesus said it read it with common senss
The dogma that Jesus was god is also disputed among Christians. MANY doubt it+also the"virgin birth"of Mary. Most Christians are not silly.
The usual arguments with the "trinity" being three different gods which is often endlessly repeated by Islamists, is nothing but religious slandering from their side, the trinity is about three aspects like colours or aromas etc.
There are often people who want to misunderstand everything, they should ask their imagined adversaries before.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, & the Word WAS God."
Jn1:1-3
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, & we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth" Jn1:14
The Word IS God & the WORD became FLESH.. Became JESUS! Jesus is the God of the OT, because no man has at anytime heard the voice of the Father, & the children of Israel DID hear the voice of God at mount Sinai!
I have never heard from any Christian theologian of modern times, that ALL of the new testament is obligotory+must be accepted as a dogma.
Though i am not a Christian anymore i know that neither the Roman-Catholic church nor the Lutheran-Protestant church in Europe or wolrdwide teach this.
The old testament+the letters of the"apostle"Paul ARE read in church services,but are very certainly nothing which needs to be adapted for personal belief+even many passages of the new testaments are NO dogma.
@Dar I don't understand, if Christians outnumber atheists 5 to 1, how does that prove Christianity is dying?
As far as most criminals in PRISON professing to be Christians, it's amazing how atheists can turn "believers" when it looks like there is no more hope for them besides God! Also, atheists will LIE, thinking if they profess Christianity they may get paroled faster!
Aside from this, a true Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus & they are VERY few in number! Many are DECEIVED!
U said; "I don't understand, if Christians outnumber atheists 5 to 1, how does that prove Christianity is dying?"
Numbers have nothing to do with a religions condition.
If u want to see a real, hard core reason why this religion should not be followed by any rational & honest person, study the origins of Judaism. That's not a title.
I'm just finishing a couple yrs of serious study into the roots of this religion via the "Ugaritic Texts!" This explains polytheistic Judaism.
@C Well if Christianity is truly dying, we should see very sharp decreases in numbers! The religion of the ancient Egyptians seems to have DIED, because there are almost no adherents left.. RIGHT? So numbers do have something to do with a religion dying .. RIGHT?
You are neither rational nor honest, you hate God & the "Ugaritic Texts" of the heathen Egyptians have little to do with the origin of Judaism! God chose Abraham, & Abraham was the father of the Israelites; & GOD HIMSELF gave their law!
The Ugaritic texts is the Achilles Heel of Judaism! You are wrong and the U.Texts prove it. You think yahweh was the original & only god, but we now know from historical data 1200 yrs older, that the Jews got their 1st gods from the Canaanite Pantheon. U deny this, yet u haven't studied the material. U wanna be just content with believing what u want to believe. Who is dishonest? It certainly isn't me.
There is very good scientific research that that tribes of the Abrahamites+even in those in times of Moses(Jews or Israelis are later terms)were clearly partly ploytheistic, the old testmanent clearly describes it.
Their later Yaweh was one among some other gods+probably a thunder-&nature god, similar to the Germanic Thor.
It is not unsual that this god was appointed by tribes around the world to be their highest god, this appears even in Hinduism who is often very close the Vedas.
@MrSKIN No you're GRAVELY mistaken! The Israelite's DID NOT make up their God! The Israelite's HATED the strict laws of God & were CONSTANTLY rebelling & WANTING to go to polytheism, to worship the gods of other nations! They CONSTANTLY were turning from God! Why would the Israelites invent a harsh strict God with laws they hate & then continually REBEL against the God they created? If they were going to INVENT a god, it would be one after their own LUSTS, that let them live however they wanted!
@C You DO not know the Jews "got their 1st gods from the Canaanite Pantheon" You think the Daniel in the Ugaritic texts must be the Daniel of scripture!
"T.E. Gaston argues there are reasons to DOUBT the identification of Daniel with the Daniel of Ezekiel. Given he was a Baal-worshiper its unlikely a strict Yahwist like Ezekiel would have considered Daniel to be righteous. 3rdly, over 800 years separate the Aqhat text & the book of Ezekiel & Daniel is NOT mentioned in ANY Jewish source (prior)!"
And that bit about atheists claiming to be Christian....the penal system's Psychiatrists have been hip to that trick 4 the past 50 yrs. U can claim to be Jeebus himself & it wouldn't influence the Parole Board, not one tiny bit. So why try? It's a joke..."I'm a Christian...I'm a Christian..." Big deal, no one cares, especially the system!
No, a true Xian would uphold all 613 OT laws, of which the 10 C's are a part of. Yet, we don't see that b/c Xians pick & choose the laws they want
@C There are actually two parts to the OC law given to ISRAEL, the MORAL law & the CEREMONIAL law! A believer who has accepted Christ is no longer under the law because He is born of the Spirit of God & will FULFILL the INTENT of the law in SPIRIT! He does not have to be physically circumstanced if he is born of the Spirit & walks in the Spirit, meaning lives the way Christ did, walking in LOVE! It seemed good to the HOLY SPIRIT that GENTILE believers not be burdened by the whole law! Acts 15:28
There are actually two parts to the OC law given to ISRAEL, the MORAL law & the CEREMONIAL law! A believer who has accepted Christ is no longer under the law because He is born of the Spirit of God & will FULFILL the INTENT of the law in SPIRIT!
Please provide the chapter and verses for this!
That reminds me...which set of the 10 Cs.are the correct ones? The 1st set which Moses broke, or the 2nd set, which god said would be the same as the 1st, but were not. Did god lie?
@Mr The truth of God & what you call "science" are "two different shoes", because God creating the universe is the TRUTH, & creatures accidentally evolving up out of the slime, is a FAIRY TALE with NO PROOF WHATSOEVER! There's no EVIDENCE that men came from apes, there are no transitional creatures in between being one kind of creature & another! LIFE CANNOT COME FROM NON LIFE! Random lighting strikes in mud puddles DO NOT CREATE LIVING ORGANISMS! You believe lies of Satan, because you hate God!
Again, there's overwhelming evidence 4 man having common ancestry with the apes. How do u explain Vestigial organs. such as Nictitating eye membranes? Humans had it, but is now dormant. There are still humans who are born with functioning tails. All embryos go thru a "tail bud" stage early in development. The tails are normally reabsorbed. And there r thousands of transitional fossils! I find 1 of the best examples are whale fossils demonstrating their transition from land to sea.
@C There are no whale fossils demonstrating their "transition" from land to sea. Vestigial organs have been DEBUNKED now for years, but is still claimed by God hating evolutionist who won't face up to reality! Haeckel came up with the theory embryos go through prior evolutionary states, but later admitted he FORGED his diagrams, they were complete FRAUDS based solely on his IMAGINATION, but he said this is COMMON PRACTICE in "science" & after 100 years they're still used as evolutionary "proof"!
@C I don't deny the fossils exist, what I deny is that the are transitional whales! What they were was fully formed, fully developed creatures that dwelled on both land & in water .. that were totally independent of and unrelated to whales! If in the future fossils of ducks .. a duck billed platypus .. and a beaver were found.. would this prove that ducks gradually "evolved" into beavers.. and the duck billed platypus was an in between creature?
These supposed intermediates were FULLY DEVELOPED!
U said; "The truth of God & what you call "science" are "two different shoes", because God creating the universe is the TRUTH"
Then please provide evidence 4 your supernatural claims of a god creating the universe...& which god, btw? There's overwhelming evidence for Evolution.
Life can't come from chemistry?? Are u sure about that. Of so, please prove it.
I have documentation on over 30 transitional fossils (whale) forms, which demonstrates Evolution from land mammal to whale.
@C Your "transitions" are extinct creatures having nothing to do with whales!
only real similarities that Ambulocetus natans has with whales is nose features that allowed it to swallow underwater & ear structure that allowed them to hear well underwater. Ambulocetus natans seems to have spent much time both on land and under water, but that DOES NOT make it transitional. Indocetus ramani is known only from partial remains, including the skull, pelvic bones, vertebrae, & parts of hind limb bones.
I see u ran to the nearest Creationist website to gather their tripe...as if it means something in the face of the real science! Ha!
Pay attention.
In 1978, paleontologist Phil Gingerich discovered a 52-million-year-old skull in Pakistan that resembled fossils of creodonts -- wolf-sized carnivores that lived between 60 and 37 million years ago, in the early Eocene epoch. But the skull also had characteristics in common with the Archaeocetes, the oldest known whales. The new
bones, dubbed Pakicetus, proved to have key features that were transitional between terrestrial mammals and the earliest true whales. One of the most interesting was the ear region of the skull. In whales, it is extensively modified for directional hearing underwater. In Pakicetus, the ear region is intermediate between that of terrestrial and fully aquatic animals.
Another, slightly more recent form, called Ambulocetus, was an amphibious animal. Its forelimbs were equipped
@C How do you know the Pakicetus had an inbetween ear region, that is becoming like a whale & is not just DESIGNED to hear BOTH on land AND underwater? CAN YOU PROVEthat it is an intermediate & WHERE are the intermediates between it & whales?
What you're being HUNG by is many extinct DESIGNED creatures & you are placing them in the order you want BASED on your bias that evolution MUST have happened because Darwin SAID SO, so you MUST find proof, so you arraign unrelated creatures TO FIT a FABLE!
with fingers & small hooves. The hind feet of Ambulocetus, however, were clearly adapted for swimming. Functional analysis of its skeleton shows that it could get around effectively on land & could swim by pushing back with its hind feet & undulating its tail, as otters do today.
It gets better, but I know that evidence means nothing to someone who is in such a deep state of denial. Hey, it's not my fault u won't accept real scientific evidence, instead of Creationist fantasy.
@C You're the one who won't accept real scientific evidence that evolution is a fantasy! All the evidence you have cited SUPPORTS CREATION, not evolution! All those creatures were FULLY FORMED with FULLY DEVELOPED FUNCTIONAL BODIES, THAT ARE COMPLETELY SUITED FOR THEIR ENVIROMENT! For a land animal to become a whale, there would HAVE to be MANY 1000's of intermediates, NOT fully developed! Highly specialized organs developing by chance from random mutations is just ABSURD, it Could NEVER HAPPEN!
@C Why don't you prove God didn't create the universe? Life can only come from Life, that is a LAW of nature; that has not EVER been observed to be broken! The simplest living organisms are millions of times more complex than your computer! Can you prove random tornadoes, earth quakes, windstorms, & other natural phenomena did not make your computer? There is overwhelming evidence evolution is a FAIRY TALE, that happened only in the mind of vile God haters like yourself! CREATION ATTESTS TO GOD!
Two things u need to understand if u expect to be taken seriously. 1. "U can't prove a negative!" Do u believe Smurfs exist? Why not? Prove to me they don't exist. See why no one is ever asked to prove a negative?
2. It isn't my responsibility to prove anything, as u are making the god claim. Since u claim god is real, the burden of proof is on u to demonstrate your claim is true. Do u believe that everything, every claim is true until someone proves it isn't? Of course not!
@C Yes you can't prove a negative, so how could I prove something as nonsensical as life coming from non life out of the slime from a random lightening strike never happened, any more than I could prove smurfs don't exist?
You scoff at being asked to accept that God created the universe, on faith, based on the evidence, which is the DESIGN OF HIS CREATION, but yet you've no problem at all with accepting on BLIND FAITH; that all the life & design you see just fell together by random happenstance!
As far as god haters go...do u hate Big Foot? In other words, how do u hate something that doesn't exist?? If the biblical god were real, then I'd have a reason to hate it, simply bcuz it is cruel and evil, as demonstrated in your bible. That's another thing...if god was gonna write a book, wouldn't u expect he'd provide a book that is rational, coherent, and also error and contradiction free? Yet the bible is rife with these problems.
@Coot, You hate the God of the Bible as He reveals Himself to be in His word! tell me this .. if you found out that the Bible was TRUE . beyond any doubt.. and that there is a HOLY GOD who DEMANDS that you REPENT & TURN from all the wicked evil deeds you love.. and also DEMANDS that you do all the RIGHTEOUS THINGS YOU HATE; & if you don't .. He is going to send you TO BURN in HELLFIRE ..to scream in torment .. while He MOCKS YOU .. would you have JOY.. or would you react with REBELLION & HATRED?
@Dar When God sends the damned to burn, HE DOES SO OUT OF HATE! GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY! GOD HATES SIN & GOD HATES THOSE WHO PRACTICE SIN & DO NOT REPENT!
"The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You HATE all workers of iniquity." Psalm 5:5
The devil doesn't care if you believe in him or not, all he cares about is keeping you in a continual state of living in unrepentant sin! If you believe in him & hate God & love sin, or you don't believe in him & hate God & love sin, he has won!
And yet your god created man just as he is, with all his weaknesses and his nature. He put Adam & Eve in a no win situation, then curses mankind's unborn, future generations, all for the failure of the 1st two people's so-called sin.
What a compassionate, fair and just god you grovel to.
And god hates these things you've listed yet he's guilty of doing the same, and far worse!
Oh yeah, the devil. Who gave satan his powers and let him lose on mankind to manipulate and terrorize us?
@Cootabu God created Adam & Eve perfectly, but gave them FREE WILL & put them in a situation where they would be forced to CHOOSE whether to OBEY Him or OBEY Satan! They chose to obey Satan to fulfill a fleshly lust!
ALL men are given consciences to warn them when they do wrong & all men WILLFULLY have gone against their conscience to DO EVIL to fulfill fleshly LUSTS, thus all men are WITHOUT EXCUSE, they have freely CHOSEN Satan & evil over obeying God & doing what they knew to be good & right!
@ciaranofseir But Adam and Eve were ignorant, they did not have knowledge of good and evil, they didn't know what they were doing was wrong, so God over reacted by punishing all of their descendants.
@Legion Adam & Eve knew they should not eat of the tree God told them not to eat of, and WILLFULLY did so ANYWAY! Eve ate because she liked what the serpent said about becoming like God, because it flattered her vanity, and she CHOSE to do what was wrong & disobey God, to gratify a fleshly LUST; and then not being content in destroying herself, she brought the fruit to Adam and tempted him to sin also!
Adam loved his wife MORE than God, because he obeyed her INSTEAD of God, becoming an IDOLATOR!
How do u know?? U can't write into it what isn't there! U don't know why Eve ate the fruit. She was caught between two great powers. One tells her she'll die if she eats, the other tells her she won't die and her eyes will be opened. Do u think she had the faculties to understand she was being played? When she ate the fruit, the 1st thing she noticed was that she didn't die, AND she then understood good & evil...but not b4 ate the fruit!!! But who allowed the Serpent to temp them?
@C It was God who allowed the serpent to Tempt Eve, & its God who GIVES Satan His kingdom & authority! Satan soon will be given power to perform great LYING wonders, so that most of the world will be decieved & follow him, so that all who do will be DAMNED, because they have no love of the truth & itching ears to believe LIES! God may even allow Satan to give you evidence which seems to support your secularist lies, so you will HANG YOURSELF! God HATES the non elect & sends them STRONG DELUSION!
But u said they were created perfect! If this was so, how could they disobey god?
Every1 interprets the story as they see fit. I see this, and all stories in scripture, as man-made, and got no help from any gods! If we study these stories carefully, we can see the state of mind of these early bible authors, the mentality of that early period, reflected in their biblical writings.. Man's intent with creating the story of Original Sin was to portray god as all good, and man as
@C Adam & Eve were created perfect, but were given FREE WILL & the ability to CHOOSE whether to OBEY God or DISOBEY! If God had created them without the ability to disobey, they would really be robots who loved & obeyed God because they were PROGRAMMED to & could not CHOOSE to do otherwise!
It's funny how parts of this "made up " story finds itself in many cultures & Satan's cultures around the world WORSHIP serpents & refer to them as bringers of wisdom & enlightenment as Luciferians do TODAY!
Free will would not corrupt perfection!! The ability (choice) to do wrong, does not assist in doing wrong!! Sorry your premise doesn't make sense.
There are many cultures far older than Judaism (and btw, Judaism was made up from the Canaanite gods) that have duality. It's the oldest concepts on Earth! My people have lived by the Golden Rule long before it was ever thought of by a Hebrew. There are thousands of gods. This one is no different.
@C Free will does not assist in doing wrong necessarily, the temptations of the FLESH do that & ALL are tempted! If you had a wife who COULD NOT be tempted by other men, because she was made in such a way that she was only capable of being attracted to you, she was HARD WIRED that way & was NOT capable of DESIRES for other men.. would it mean very much that she was faithful to you? Would it not mean more that her flesh PULLED her towards attractive charismatic men & she remained faithful ANYWAY?
Inherently weak & easily swayed to evil. My personal view is that the authors didn't understand man's struggle with his nature & instincts. They had no idea of our common ancestry with apes!
Adam & Eve didn't even have basic knowledge of good & evil "until" they ate the fruit. But why did got put the tree in the garden, unprotected? And why allow the Serpent to overpower Eve's mind & persuade her to eat the fruit? Also, how was god righteous in cursing the unborn for A & Es sin?
@Cool, The writers of the Bible had no idea our ancestors are apes, because it isn't true! The FAIRYTALE of Darwinism hasn't been around that long, & as the fossil evidence clearly shows, it's UTTER NONSENSE that abominable God haters like you will cling to, because you would be willing to accept absolutely ANYTHING before you would acknowledge God & give Him glory, because you love your filthy perverted sins & HATE God with all your being, & it's because of your WILLFUL ignorance you will BURN!
U said; "The writers of the Bible had no idea our ancestors are apes, because it isn't true"
Now I know why u can't carry on a normal, rational conversation! If you're one of those Creationists who think the Earth is 6 K yrs old, and refuse to accept science, no wonder you can't or won't see the points I've made here.
Wait a minute asshole. U don't know anything about me. I was a Xian longer than u've been alive! I'm Indian, and live by traditional standards. I don't hate god!
Do other idiots like u, assume that simply b/c some1 doesn't grovel to the god u do, is thereby a god hater and lives in sin?? What an ignorant shit you are! I know more about your religion than U do, yet you think you know more. Just as you're willing to deny JC's own words that his 2nd coming was meant the Jews of "his" time! U twist scripture to mean what u want it to.
I like that last sentence.."U will burn!!" Typical Xian idiot with your threats of hell. What a monster u love.
@Cool Adam & Eve knew they should obey God, & God put them in a position where they would be FORCED to CHOOSE whether to OBEY Him or obey SATAN! He was forcing them to CHOOSE whom they would obey & serve, their Creator or Satan, & they chose to obey & serve SATAN!
If God did not put them in a position of temptation, & they remained faithful, how would that mean anything? What would you think of your wife being faithful to you, because you are both on a desert island & you're the only man around?
"Adam & Eve knew they should obey God, & God put them in a position where they would be FORCED to CHOOSE whether to OBEY"
Now I got ya! No, god didn't need to test them. He knew thru his omniscience! Man tells this story to convince us we are to blame, but god made man, not man. If we fail, it's the way he made us, regardless of free will! Your version doesn't make any sense. Can u see that?
Considering all that, how can u justify god cursing mankind's unborn generations?? U can't
This is why you had christian slaughtering each other in the name of the same god for centuries because they believe Jesus ordained multiple baptized regal-warlords as his lieutenants on earth and then for some inexplicable reason let them lead his flock too war against itself for the sake of the said king's material gain.
Why is St Maurice a saint, did he not break god's commandment to subject one self to Diocletian and obey his command to slaughter a village full of his christian brothers?
Even more damning are the works of Martin Luther himself. As the best selling German author of all time and author of the German bible, Martins seminal works are important to understand Hitler and the Nazis. In "On the Jews and Their Lies" Luther advocates killing the Jews as a Christian moral imperative. In "Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants", Martin Luther equates submission to the government to submission to god as a Christian moral value.
@jlowe424 Thanks. Despite my doing that for precisely the reason you identify, I *still* got a few Christians who tried to play the translation card. lol The apologetic quiver has a limited number of arrows in it.
@Prof There is no authority but from God. Satan was GIVEN his kingdom & crown BY GOD, & Satan gives authority to earthly rulers who are under him. Hitler was appointed ruler by divine ordinance of God (the dragon gave him his authority, & the dragons authority was given to him by God)
When Nazi police arrested people for CRIMES (murder stealing etc) they were in a sense acting as God's MINISTERS & those who resisted them (when they came to punish real crimes) were RESISTING THE ORDINANCE OF GOD!
@Prof, God does appoint them. God appointed Satan to rule the world & foreknew who Satan would give authority to.. so all authority is GIVEN BY GOD!
"The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority." Rev13:2
"People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast" Rev13:4
"And the devil said to Him, 'All this authority I will give You, and their glory; FOR THIS HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ME AND I GIVE IT TO WHOMEVER I WISH." Luke 4:6-9
@ciaranofseir "God does appoint them. God appointed Satan to rule the world...."
Well, then, your god has commanded his devotees to submit to, obey, and honor those whom Satan has appointed on his behalf. You've managed to take the situation from bad to worse.
@Pro God has commanded those who are His to submit to & OBEY the earthly authorities that Satan has given authority to. The Roman emperors (Men like Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & Nero) were RESPECTED by those in the Church & when Roman soldiers came to ARREST them & throw them in the coliseums to be crucified or burned at the sake, they did not resist and went PEACEFULLY.
Jesus did not try to resist the earthly authorities, but went peacefully when arrested & so did the Apostles, even to death!
@Prof This is not God's world, but Satan's world! Jesus told Pilate; “My kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants WOULD FIGHT, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is NOT from here.” Jn 18:36
Jesus said if His kingdom WERE of this world, THEN His servants WOULD fight for Him, but now His Kingdom is NOT from here! Satan has LAWFUL jurisdiction in giving authority to leaders that was GIVEN to him BY GOD; & believers are not to resist!
"Of judgment, because the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD is judged."Jn16:11
"I will no longer talk much with you, for the RULER OF THIS WORLD is coming, & he has nothing in Me."Jn14:30
The idea that this is God's world, the USA is God's chosen country, & God is working WITH a political party to make things better, is NOT TO BE FOUND IN SCRIPTURE! I have heard people say Jesus would be a REPUBLICAN & this is BLASPHEMY! Jesus is God & God is HOLY & mans governments are CORRUPT & EVIL!
@ciaranofseir I'm not sure why you're continuing to go on about this. You and I *basically* agree about what the Christian scriptures say regarding the Christian god's appointing rulers and the obligations of the Christian god's devotees vis-a-vis those rulers.
@Prof Well, not quite! You seem to think this is God's world; & God directly appoints rulers who are RIGHT with Him, & we are to be SUBJECT to rulers who are FAVORED by God! Implying Hitler was God's favored elect!
This isn't true! When mankind first sinned against God, by obeying Satan instead of God, GOD GAVE MAN OVER TO SATAN, because man had chosen to serve Satan INSTEAD OF GOD!
God's kingdom is NOT of the world! Believers are SOJOURNERS, who should respect the authorities of a FOREIGN LAND!
@P What I meant to say was; "You seem to think THE BIBLE TEACHES that this is God's world; & God directly appoints rulers who are RIGHT with Him, & we are to be SUBJECT to rulers who are FAVORED by God! Implying Hitler was God's favored elect!"
Does that about SUM UP the position of the video?
What the apostles were saying is ULTIMATELY there's no other authority BUT FROM GOD & everything that happens, HAPPENS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD! Evil rulers are in place because God ALLOWS them to be!
I was told the same thing about the Jews and the Holocaust by a fundamentalist Christian when I was 10. While she was saddened by the carnage, she believed God had no choice but to turn his back on them for 2000 yrs of rejecting Christ. Prophecy was fulfilled. They brought it on themselves. Didn't Hitler use that to justify his atrocities? We called Hitler a maniac. Yet according to fundies, God was justified on his part, Hitler wasn't. How can you have one without the other? Cause and effect.
It always bugs me when people in debates with apologists never point out that the biblical god is light years apart from the god professed by apologists. Excellent video.
@havvyweponsman I couldn't agree more. People don't (as William Lane Craig claims) obtain objective moral values FROM the Bible. Rather, people bring their modern humanist values TO the Bible. They apply these values when determining which portions of the Bible to ignore and which to follow.
I wish apologists could see what they're doing and realize we don't need to believe in God to be ethical. Regardless, I'm glad they have the good sense to ignore large sections of their holy book.
I can already imagine my conservative agnostic ex-friend saying, "they only wrote stuff like that to avoid the persecution of that awful government..."
@ProfMTH ---> It should also be noted that your videos are excellently made (often with equally excellent humor), and I thank you for helping to advance reason.
@ProfMTH ---> It should be noted that in Romans 13:8,10 (directly following what you quoted from scripture), Paul says this: "Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. . . .Love does no evil to the neighbor; hence, love is the fulfillment of the law." Clearly, Paul does not intend to encourage Christians to obey evil commands.
@JediKnightZack "Clearly, Paul does not intend to encourage Christians to obey evil commands."
So despite the unqualified command to obey government as "established by God" and Paul's dire warning that those who rebel against government rebel against God and, in so doing, bring judgment on themselves, you're here to say that Paul is actually counseling Christians to obey government only when, in their judgment, the government is doing good, is that correct? Keep in mind the government at...
@ProfMTH ---> "Keep in mind the government at the time the letter to the Romans was written was the Roman Empire with Nero at the helm."
This is why it would be absurd to assume that Paul was giving Christians an "unqualified command to obey government." Nero persecuted Christians specifically following the Great Fire of Rome. (Paul's letter to the Romans was written before this fire, and my point may be less valid with this in mind. I will simply continue and let others be the judge. . . .)
(con't) @ProfMTH ---> If to be a Christian resulted in death at the hands of the state, I highly doubt that Paul would approve of Christians obeying the will of the government and giving up their belief in Jesus.
@JediKnightZack "If to be a Christian resulted in death at the hands of the state, I highly doubt that Paul would approve of Christians obeying the will of the government and giving up their belief in Jesus."
He says that those who rebel against / disobey government are rebels against the Christian god and bring judgment on themselves.
@ProfMTH ---> "He says that those who rebel against / disobey government are rebels against the Christian god and bring judgment on themselves."
Indeed. However, he qualifies his statement with the verses 13:8,10 (which I quoted in a previous comment).
Essentially, what Paul is saying is something quite similar to what Jesus is credited as saying in Matthew 22:21 ("repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God").
@ProfMTH ---> I think that you are correct in saying that the New Testament gives Christians no basis for a "just rebellion" against a tyrannical government. In this regard, Christianity is lacking since it makes it impossible for citizens to defend themselves against evil governments. I do think, however, that there is a basis for a sort of "civil disobedience" (MLK Jr. style) in situations when the government makes a command to its citizens that is clearly morally repugnant. . . .
(con't) @ProfMTH -> This sort of "civil disobedience," I believe, is allowable to Christians because of the qualifier (Romans 13:8,10). This interpretation may be a bit of a stretch (I am not a New Testament scholar), but I just wanted to provide an argument sort of as a "Jesus' Advocate."
I figured it would probably be appropriate to let you know that I am an atheist, so I have no stake in the final interpretation of this passage from a holy book which I do not use to find moral truths anyway.
@JediKnightZack "I figured it would probably be appropriate to let you know that I am an atheist, so I have no stake in the final interpretation of this passage from a holy book which I do not use to find moral truths anyway."
Thanks. Of course any argument, no matter who makes it or why someone makes it, rises and falls on its merits (or lack thereof). But I appreciate knowing where you're coming from. :-)
This video helped me write an essay. also, i have seen william lane craig debate at the U of S, he is such a fucking idiot. he states that "a world view cannot be judged by its effects on society" WHAT A RETARD.
Oh this is going to be fun. What huge thing did you leave out? I will wait for you to ask me. In the meantime I will watch you think you got it right and have been wrong all along. So do you think I am just joking or maybe I have an explanation? Keep declaring that the NT says what you say and maybe I will destroy it if you are up to the challenge.
@RepresentingTruth If you have a refutation of the argument I've set forth in the video, then present it. Don't beat your chest and dance around like an ape. Get to it.
@ProfMTH I will. Remind me at some point. I like watching your videos. So I just want you to think a little. There are some more videos I want to watch first.
*sigh* again paul of tarsus. the rome agent who preached against the Jews and the Laws of YHWH but claimed for obedience to rome and its rulers .. what an amazing coincidence.
this epileptic who in his own words had a devil talked as the demon possessed that he was.
first and second peter were written by the same author who wrote paul letters, more than 40 years after Peter´s death. every schollar, researcher, and theologist, of every religion knows it. paul of tarsus is a roman fraud
the only thing horrible hitler did was kill the jews, and christians obviously dont believe that, we read the bible, the same bible your grandmother read, and her grandmother and so on, was your grandmother a nazi, no. and anyone who knows anything about christianity knows that killing is just wrong, it tells us not to kill in the ten commandments
@ProfMTH but my point, he thought he was helping people, but it was wrong, like what you did here, you know, thats the old testament anyway, and why do you have to attack other peoples beliefs, you dont see me making videos talking about how dumb athiests are like you do us
Christians are incapable of honest reasoning. This evidence from their own book means absolutely nothing as they're masters at creating excuses. I find it unbelievable that we have scholars and apologists still defending the morality and "historical" veracity in the Bible. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Best humor on youtube? Go watch a muslim apologist defending the koran.
andrewlgm 2 weeks ago
I have often thought that Hitler was a christian extremest.
AzumiRM 2 weeks ago
When I was talking to a Christian, I cannot recall from which video, I mentioned that Hitler was a Christian. The Christian told me that I "was wrong" and that Hitler was "an atheist"! I was not too certain concerning that, so I looked it up on the internet. Found the quote where Hitler said "As a Christian I..." (explained why killing Jews was okay) and later learned that he hated atheists according to his own words. So, he was not an atheist... the Christian did not respond on that again. :)
SeramiNefera 1 month ago
Watch out, god blessed the Nazis. lol
Bourtini 1 month ago
Speaking of Jesus, Rev. 19:5 says "out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron (HAMMER)." This is an echo of Psa. 2, and clearly supports the type of rule that Hitler exercised. It's a pity that so few Christians realize this. Christianity is about ABSOLUTE authority. There is no real free will in it whatsoever.
truthbknwn 1 month ago
While you're at it, explain how the holohoax is real, this should be a good one.
Can defend your commie mass murders if you like, 167 million men women and children later, oh but athiesm is such fun, not like thoughs other bigots and "racists".
CelticAngloPress 1 month ago
Holohoax.
Atheism is a form of religion today, has the same ignorance/arrogance that follows it, cults of personality, and has the same inability to let people be and get on with their lives. :)
CelticAngloPress 1 month ago
@CelticAngloPress How is atheism like religion? How is it ignorant? Arrogant? Where are these cults of personality, and to whom? And how is it stopping anyone from living their lives? Care to explain?
palerider1775 1 month ago
@palerider1775
Hitchen, Marx, Trotsky, Engles, Lenin, Marcuse, Adarno, could go on and on, worshipped by many like any cult.
Also the anti-western anti-white radically ant-christian venom one spews on a non-stop basis (and this is coming from a non-religion person heh) and the constant need to throw ones athiesm in the face as if one need to require a reward for getting past being 12 yrs old...
Its is rhetorical question, we both know it, will await your predictable response.
CelticAngloPress 1 month ago
@CelticAngloPress "Atheism is a form of religion." That's absurd. It's like saying heterosexuality is a form of homosexuality. Redefining religion to include atheism only works if you're willing to alter the meaning of religion beyond recognition.
bronxboy47 1 week ago
@bronxboy47
Atheism has tonnes in common with religion, both have a radical bent on persecution for peoples beliefs (Communism was the greatest expression of the Atheistic mindset)
Atheists are very radical and often have a hard time not shoving their views and 'Atheism" down others throats, an inability to live and let live.
Also a firm arrogance and ignorance follows both, not to mention misrepresentation, out right lying, and propaganda.
Also Atheists also deny Evolution & IQ
CelticAngloPress 1 week ago
@CelticAngloPress I repeat: Redefining religion to include atheism only works if you're willing to alter the meaning of religion beyond recognition.
Good luck with your private dictionary. Notify me when it's ready for publication.
bronxboy47 5 days ago
@bronxboy47 "Good luck with your private dictionary. Notify me when it's ready for publication."
lol
ProfMTH 5 days ago
@CelticAngloPress Atheism is the defualt opinion. Moral discussions like your views and obvious bais agianst Communism are not an arguement. youre only explianing the human nature.Not the differences between one nature or the other its the appeal of commonalities, which is a waste of breath.I have stuff in common wit alot of people that I disagree with morally, but that remains irrelevant.Atheism Doesnt say anything accept maybe "There is no god" Everything else you cite about it is simply human
36inc 19 hours ago
@CelticAngloPress The fact of the matter is Science and Secularism gives us what we need from a world view. Nothing you see before you is possible without it. That is why atheists commonly Are out spoken or in your inane view "radical".agian this is a human commonality which atheism doesnt suggest would go away. also a radical Atheistic move, The creation of the USA. Seperating Church and state is absolutely needed for freedom and justice.In other words The state should stay atheist.
36inc 19 hours ago
Titus 3:1, TLB. "Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any HONEST work."
reingo73 2 months ago
@reingo73 Your point?
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH
Oh Atheist
reingo73 2 months ago
@reingo73 "Oh Atheist"
Yes?
ProfMTH 2 months ago
nice video, i didnt even know all those passages that are pretty much telling you to be mind controlled sheeple for the government and ive always mantained a belief that religions was always just used control people through fear used to be god and the devil heaven and hell now its terrorist and weapons of mass destruction with a slight kick of god told me too o.O lol
rebelsneverdie 3 months ago
@rebelsneverdie are u an idiot or are you just pretending? if anyone does any terrorist activiry, it is IN SPITE of the Bible's teaching, not because of it. these passages all have an explanation that totally debunks idiots who use them to justify their immoral activities
tinytiger56 2 months ago
@tinytiger56 ok then troll debunk away im waiting...and its not in spite of the bibles teachings look at the crusade's the knights templar the fighting between israilites and palisitinians and jews for DECADES, are you just fucking ignorant or pretending to be ? or maybe youre one of those religious nuts. debunk and prove me wrong, if they had all these apparent debunks in the passages shit wouldnt happen the way it does.. you fucking tool...
rebelsneverdie 2 months ago
@rebelsneverdie "so you have to argue that the bible supports terrorism." i never made any statement that said it did.... nice try though you might wanna knwo what you are arguing before you try to argue with someone...
rebelsneverdie 2 months ago
@tinytiger56 no i was asking you show me these "passages" that debunk the theory and not once did i say anything about it itself being a terrorist idealism im saying they both are two words that are used to instill fear into people and use that fear to control them but maybe if you had of actually read my post you would get that fail troll failed though.
rebelsneverdie 2 months ago
Again and again Israel went back to idolatry ...They wanted a god they could put on a shelf. As sin and lawlessness became common, God allowed oppresive rulers to reign over them. Dosn't always fit with modern Christianity.... When Israel repented God gave them freedom again... He can take down world governments without a problem when He wants. In the meantime as people lead destructive life styles they will once again go under captivity.
jjssccpphhdd 3 months ago
contention 1: not that you are right but even if you were, this would at most bring the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy into question not God's existence & nature into question.
contention 2: the Nazi agendas & other such horrible agendas could easily not be defined as government & thus the opposition by Christians of such would be amply justified
contention 3: "there is no authority except from God" could easily mean that Hitler had no authority, not that his so-called "authority" was from God
tinytiger56 3 months ago
@tinytiger56 "contention 1: not that you are right but even if you were, this would at most bring the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy into question not God's existence & nature into question."
It's been a while since I made this, but I don't recall saying anything about proving there is no god. So, the relevance of your "contention 1" is not entirely clear to me.
"contention 2: the Nazi agendas & other such horrible agendas could easily not be defined as government"
Details, please.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
(con't) @tinytiger56 "contention 3: "there is no authority except from God" could easily mean that Hitler had no authority, not that his so-called "authority" was from God"
Easily if one ignores the facts of history--e.g., that Hitler very much *did* have authority--and biblical facts--e.g., that the passage in Romans was composed when Nero was emperor of Rome. You might want to think this one through a bit more. It's not as easy as you seem to have convinced yourself it is.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH i was making that first contention for the benefit of others to make sure they took this in proper perspective. the second contention, the definition of government...i havent thought this one thru for several hours but off the top of my head there is no authority but from God. God by definition will not self contradict.
tinytiger56 3 months ago
@ProfMTH therefore God never issues a command inconsistent with his nature. therefore anyone with authority (not someone with people willingly submitting as with Hitler but with actual authority from God) will not issue a command contrary to God's nature. therefore when a person who has people willingly submitting under him (hitler, nero) he wont issue a command inconsistent with God's nature. therefore it can easily be asserted and defended that nero and hitler and others like them had no
tinytiger56 3 months ago
@ProfMTH authority from God and since no authority exists but that from God then they had no authority.
tinytiger56 3 months ago
@GSOlsen123
Right, yes, let's listen to Jesus who told us "give to Caesar what is Caesar's", "love your enemies", and "turn the other cheek". The first is self-explanatory, the second would have us do anything but kill the Nazi soldiers (how would that be loving, especially considering it would likely send them to hell?), and the third would leave us submissive sitting ducks in a world ruled by a genocidal dictator.
ThatGuyWithHippyHair 3 months ago
I thought the Nazi's were an atheist movement?
IndianaJoel93 5 months ago
@IndianaJoel93 Even if they were, what would that have to do with this video?
ProfMTH 5 months ago 6
@IndianaJoel93 I can't speak for every individual Nazi, but Hitler was a Christian. Apologists try to dispute this, saying he left his Catholic roots, but he stated in Mein Kampf that he was "fighting for the work of the lord". In a speech in 1939, he said that he never lost his belief. He prayed at the end of a 1941 speech. There's more.
MsLilithJS 4 months ago
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@MsLilithJS well he was fucked up, because he did exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught us.
IndianaJoel93 4 months ago
@MsLilithJS Wasn't Hitler a very superstitious person in general, using old Teutonic symbols and what not?
Joseph Stalin is more arguable as an atheist, though the Communist system's demand for submission was like a religion in itself.
Frizzurd 3 months ago
@IndianaJoel93 Nazis were definitely christian.Hitler's beliefs are unclear but he was definitely a theists who was against atheism. October 24, 1933, Hitler stated: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
gumbor08 2 months ago
@gumbor08 Christians do not believe in genicide. Proper Christians believe in loving all, peace on earth, equality, just read Jesus' teachings, he was the hippy of his day!
IndianaJoel93 2 months ago
@IndianaJoel93 hippies are the opposite of Jesus. they mixed truth and error. think about it. peace...we can allow homosexuality in the name of peace. 30 years later homosexuals give violent demonstrations of their intent of being equal or dominant in society. peace was just satans excuse to put more violence in society
tinytiger56 2 months ago
@tinytiger56 so now you are attacking the gays ? get some validity and a point thats actually sustainable you fucking troll.
rebelsneverdie 2 months ago
@rebelsneverdie i could eat alphabet soup and crap out a better comment than you gave. i can only debunk an argument. i cant debunk something that doesnt exist so you have to argue that the bible supports terrorism. in order to do that you have to show the bible passages that do. until u do that the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
tinytiger56 2 months ago
@gumbor08 no. they PROFESSED christianity but they did all of this in spite of the Bible not because of it. u have to obey the bible to be a christian and they disobeyed the bible so they were not christian
tinytiger56 2 months ago
Some Christians will say [concerning 1 Cor. 15:27-28] that Jesus lowered himself and subjected himself to "God" out of humility and example.
TheGoogler77 5 months ago
@TheGoogler77 And?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH AND that it doesn't prove wrong the trinity.
TheGoogler77 5 months ago
@TheGoogler77 "AND that it doesn't prove wrong the trinity."
This video has nothing to do with the Trinity.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH I was referring to 2:35-37 of the video.
TheGoogler77 5 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Ah! Thanks for the reminder. You haven't solved the problem, but good of you to take a shot at it.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH It would be great if you made a vid about the trinity.
TheGoogler77 5 months ago
@TheGoogler77 "It would be great if you made a vid about the trinity."
I have. It's in my upload library. Check my channel page.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
government serves the people
giroyagetme 5 months ago
This plays back to the early christian idea that they belived themselves seperate from the world (modern christians think this but don't act this). If youre only on this earth for a short period of time and the most important thing is maintaining purity of your soul then revolution or fighting injustice is a distraction. Also early christians realized that depostism and suffering were great recruitment tools.
phookadude 5 months ago
Of course, apologists will NEVER repudiate the Bible, their whole job is to defend it at all costs.
Akira625 5 months ago
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007thinkagain 5 months ago
I'm going to regret typing this but i'm going to anyway. Why do christians argue with atheists? You're not even suppose to say hello to atheists, let alone argue with them. some are saying just to ignore everything but what jesus said, but jesus said to follow the laws. also to turn the other cheek. either way you're ignoring what jesus actually taught by getting angry with people you'll never meet. why is it so important to you that everyone agrees with you? step back a minute and think WWJD?
alienbeing00 7 months ago
@alienbeing00 Christians are commanded to spreads thier faith to those who have not heard it and are also commanded to be ready to defend thier faith. Athiests are for the most part not anti-thiest god deniers but simply have not been convinced, a christian's job is to convince.
phookadude 5 months ago
To me, this is simple. Jesus never mentions Paul. Paul had his opinions many of which were wrong, at least outside of his world. Christianity does not say that God appointed Hitler. Paul throws out some comment that some Christians fold into Christianity. Once you are out of the four gospels you are on your own.
Christians need to disentangle themselves from 2,000 years of tradition and read the "RED LETTERS". If Jesus did not say it then ignore it. If Jesus said it read it with common senss
GSOlsen123 7 months ago
LOL Blatant roman control policy xD
Yahweigh 7 months ago
The dogma that Jesus was god is also disputed among Christians. MANY doubt it+also the"virgin birth"of Mary. Most Christians are not silly.
The usual arguments with the "trinity" being three different gods which is often endlessly repeated by Islamists, is nothing but religious slandering from their side, the trinity is about three aspects like colours or aromas etc.
There are often people who want to misunderstand everything, they should ask their imagined adversaries before.
I´m agnostic !
MrSKINFLICK 7 months ago
@MrSK The book of John clearly says Jesus is God!
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, & the Word WAS God."
Jn1:1-3
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, & we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth" Jn1:14
The Word IS God & the WORD became FLESH.. Became JESUS! Jesus is the God of the OT, because no man has at anytime heard the voice of the Father, & the children of Israel DID hear the voice of God at mount Sinai!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
I have never heard from any Christian theologian of modern times, that ALL of the new testament is obligotory+must be accepted as a dogma.
Though i am not a Christian anymore i know that neither the Roman-Catholic church nor the Lutheran-Protestant church in Europe or wolrdwide teach this.
The old testament+the letters of the"apostle"Paul ARE read in church services,but are very certainly nothing which needs to be adapted for personal belief+even many passages of the new testaments are NO dogma.
MrSKINFLICK 7 months ago
@Dar I don't understand, if Christians outnumber atheists 5 to 1, how does that prove Christianity is dying?
As far as most criminals in PRISON professing to be Christians, it's amazing how atheists can turn "believers" when it looks like there is no more hope for them besides God! Also, atheists will LIE, thinking if they profess Christianity they may get paroled faster!
Aside from this, a true Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus & they are VERY few in number! Many are DECEIVED!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
ciaranofseir
U said; "I don't understand, if Christians outnumber atheists 5 to 1, how does that prove Christianity is dying?"
Numbers have nothing to do with a religions condition.
If u want to see a real, hard core reason why this religion should not be followed by any rational & honest person, study the origins of Judaism. That's not a title.
I'm just finishing a couple yrs of serious study into the roots of this religion via the "Ugaritic Texts!" This explains polytheistic Judaism.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C Well if Christianity is truly dying, we should see very sharp decreases in numbers! The religion of the ancient Egyptians seems to have DIED, because there are almost no adherents left.. RIGHT? So numbers do have something to do with a religion dying .. RIGHT?
You are neither rational nor honest, you hate God & the "Ugaritic Texts" of the heathen Egyptians have little to do with the origin of Judaism! God chose Abraham, & Abraham was the father of the Israelites; & GOD HIMSELF gave their law!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
Again, you're a bigoted asshole!
The Ugaritic texts is the Achilles Heel of Judaism! You are wrong and the U.Texts prove it. You think yahweh was the original & only god, but we now know from historical data 1200 yrs older, that the Jews got their 1st gods from the Canaanite Pantheon. U deny this, yet u haven't studied the material. U wanna be just content with believing what u want to believe. Who is dishonest? It certainly isn't me.
And take another look at the stats!
Cootabux 7 months ago
@Cootabux:
There is very good scientific research that that tribes of the Abrahamites+even in those in times of Moses(Jews or Israelis are later terms)were clearly partly ploytheistic, the old testmanent clearly describes it.
Their later Yaweh was one among some other gods+probably a thunder-&nature god, similar to the Germanic Thor.
It is not unsual that this god was appointed by tribes around the world to be their highest god, this appears even in Hinduism who is often very close the Vedas.
MrSKINFLICK 7 months ago
@MrSKIN No you're GRAVELY mistaken! The Israelite's DID NOT make up their God! The Israelite's HATED the strict laws of God & were CONSTANTLY rebelling & WANTING to go to polytheism, to worship the gods of other nations! They CONSTANTLY were turning from God! Why would the Israelites invent a harsh strict God with laws they hate & then continually REBEL against the God they created? If they were going to INVENT a god, it would be one after their own LUSTS, that let them live however they wanted!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@C You DO not know the Jews "got their 1st gods from the Canaanite Pantheon" You think the Daniel in the Ugaritic texts must be the Daniel of scripture!
"T.E. Gaston argues there are reasons to DOUBT the identification of Daniel with the Daniel of Ezekiel. Given he was a Baal-worshiper its unlikely a strict Yahwist like Ezekiel would have considered Daniel to be righteous. 3rdly, over 800 years separate the Aqhat text & the book of Ezekiel & Daniel is NOT mentioned in ANY Jewish source (prior)!"
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
And that bit about atheists claiming to be Christian....the penal system's Psychiatrists have been hip to that trick 4 the past 50 yrs. U can claim to be Jeebus himself & it wouldn't influence the Parole Board, not one tiny bit. So why try? It's a joke..."I'm a Christian...I'm a Christian..." Big deal, no one cares, especially the system!
No, a true Xian would uphold all 613 OT laws, of which the 10 C's are a part of. Yet, we don't see that b/c Xians pick & choose the laws they want
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C There are actually two parts to the OC law given to ISRAEL, the MORAL law & the CEREMONIAL law! A believer who has accepted Christ is no longer under the law because He is born of the Spirit of God & will FULFILL the INTENT of the law in SPIRIT! He does not have to be physically circumstanced if he is born of the Spirit & walks in the Spirit, meaning lives the way Christ did, walking in LOVE! It seemed good to the HOLY SPIRIT that GENTILE believers not be burdened by the whole law! Acts 15:28
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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There are actually two parts to the OC law given to ISRAEL, the MORAL law & the CEREMONIAL law! A believer who has accepted Christ is no longer under the law because He is born of the Spirit of God & will FULFILL the INTENT of the law in SPIRIT!
Please provide the chapter and verses for this!
That reminds me...which set of the 10 Cs.are the correct ones? The 1st set which Moses broke, or the 2nd set, which god said would be the same as the 1st, but were not. Did god lie?
Cootabux 7 months ago
@ciaranofseir:
Hey, we are here on a page with a video of scientific researcxh, not on a page for religious propaganda.
You can also not walk into a science seminary at a university and start to preach a private ideology there.
Some people never get it or learn that religion and science are two different shoes.
Go to a page for religious fundamentalists and "get happy" there.
Impossible, naughty behavior, didn´t anyone teach you any polite manners ?
MrSKINFLICK 7 months ago
@Mr The truth of God & what you call "science" are "two different shoes", because God creating the universe is the TRUTH, & creatures accidentally evolving up out of the slime, is a FAIRY TALE with NO PROOF WHATSOEVER! There's no EVIDENCE that men came from apes, there are no transitional creatures in between being one kind of creature & another! LIFE CANNOT COME FROM NON LIFE! Random lighting strikes in mud puddles DO NOT CREATE LIVING ORGANISMS! You believe lies of Satan, because you hate God!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
Again, there's overwhelming evidence 4 man having common ancestry with the apes. How do u explain Vestigial organs. such as Nictitating eye membranes? Humans had it, but is now dormant. There are still humans who are born with functioning tails. All embryos go thru a "tail bud" stage early in development. The tails are normally reabsorbed. And there r thousands of transitional fossils! I find 1 of the best examples are whale fossils demonstrating their transition from land to sea.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C There are no whale fossils demonstrating their "transition" from land to sea. Vestigial organs have been DEBUNKED now for years, but is still claimed by God hating evolutionist who won't face up to reality! Haeckel came up with the theory embryos go through prior evolutionary states, but later admitted he FORGED his diagrams, they were complete FRAUDS based solely on his IMAGINATION, but he said this is COMMON PRACTICE in "science" & after 100 years they're still used as evolutionary "proof"!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
I'll be happy to provide a source that will show those fossils to you! The fact is, they most certainly do exist, an dmy claim can be demonstrated.
Vestigial organs has never been debunked, but since u say that have, please provide the evidence.
God hating Evolutionists?? So everyone who understands and accepts Evolution hates your ghost-god??
I don't care what forgeries u claim, find faults with the present day evidence for Evolution!
U are a fool who simply can't accept reality!
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C I don't deny the fossils exist, what I deny is that the are transitional whales! What they were was fully formed, fully developed creatures that dwelled on both land & in water .. that were totally independent of and unrelated to whales! If in the future fossils of ducks .. a duck billed platypus .. and a beaver were found.. would this prove that ducks gradually "evolved" into beavers.. and the duck billed platypus was an in between creature?
These supposed intermediates were FULLY DEVELOPED!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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U said; "The truth of God & what you call "science" are "two different shoes", because God creating the universe is the TRUTH"
Then please provide evidence 4 your supernatural claims of a god creating the universe...& which god, btw? There's overwhelming evidence for Evolution.
Life can't come from chemistry?? Are u sure about that. Of so, please prove it.
I have documentation on over 30 transitional fossils (whale) forms, which demonstrates Evolution from land mammal to whale.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C Your "transitions" are extinct creatures having nothing to do with whales!
only real similarities that Ambulocetus natans has with whales is nose features that allowed it to swallow underwater & ear structure that allowed them to hear well underwater. Ambulocetus natans seems to have spent much time both on land and under water, but that DOES NOT make it transitional. Indocetus ramani is known only from partial remains, including the skull, pelvic bones, vertebrae, & parts of hind limb bones.
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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I see u ran to the nearest Creationist website to gather their tripe...as if it means something in the face of the real science! Ha!
Pay attention.
In 1978, paleontologist Phil Gingerich discovered a 52-million-year-old skull in Pakistan that resembled fossils of creodonts -- wolf-sized carnivores that lived between 60 and 37 million years ago, in the early Eocene epoch. But the skull also had characteristics in common with the Archaeocetes, the oldest known whales. The new
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Cootabux 7 months ago
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bones, dubbed Pakicetus, proved to have key features that were transitional between terrestrial mammals and the earliest true whales. One of the most interesting was the ear region of the skull. In whales, it is extensively modified for directional hearing underwater. In Pakicetus, the ear region is intermediate between that of terrestrial and fully aquatic animals.
Another, slightly more recent form, called Ambulocetus, was an amphibious animal. Its forelimbs were equipped
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Cootabux 7 months ago
@C How do you know the Pakicetus had an inbetween ear region, that is becoming like a whale & is not just DESIGNED to hear BOTH on land AND underwater? CAN YOU PROVEthat it is an intermediate & WHERE are the intermediates between it & whales?
What you're being HUNG by is many extinct DESIGNED creatures & you are placing them in the order you want BASED on your bias that evolution MUST have happened because Darwin SAID SO, so you MUST find proof, so you arraign unrelated creatures TO FIT a FABLE!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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with fingers & small hooves. The hind feet of Ambulocetus, however, were clearly adapted for swimming. Functional analysis of its skeleton shows that it could get around effectively on land & could swim by pushing back with its hind feet & undulating its tail, as otters do today.
It gets better, but I know that evidence means nothing to someone who is in such a deep state of denial. Hey, it's not my fault u won't accept real scientific evidence, instead of Creationist fantasy.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C You're the one who won't accept real scientific evidence that evolution is a fantasy! All the evidence you have cited SUPPORTS CREATION, not evolution! All those creatures were FULLY FORMED with FULLY DEVELOPED FUNCTIONAL BODIES, THAT ARE COMPLETELY SUITED FOR THEIR ENVIROMENT! For a land animal to become a whale, there would HAVE to be MANY 1000's of intermediates, NOT fully developed! Highly specialized organs developing by chance from random mutations is just ABSURD, it Could NEVER HAPPEN!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@C Why don't you prove God didn't create the universe? Life can only come from Life, that is a LAW of nature; that has not EVER been observed to be broken! The simplest living organisms are millions of times more complex than your computer! Can you prove random tornadoes, earth quakes, windstorms, & other natural phenomena did not make your computer? There is overwhelming evidence evolution is a FAIRY TALE, that happened only in the mind of vile God haters like yourself! CREATION ATTESTS TO GOD!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
Two things u need to understand if u expect to be taken seriously. 1. "U can't prove a negative!" Do u believe Smurfs exist? Why not? Prove to me they don't exist. See why no one is ever asked to prove a negative?
2. It isn't my responsibility to prove anything, as u are making the god claim. Since u claim god is real, the burden of proof is on u to demonstrate your claim is true. Do u believe that everything, every claim is true until someone proves it isn't? Of course not!
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C Yes you can't prove a negative, so how could I prove something as nonsensical as life coming from non life out of the slime from a random lightening strike never happened, any more than I could prove smurfs don't exist?
You scoff at being asked to accept that God created the universe, on faith, based on the evidence, which is the DESIGN OF HIS CREATION, but yet you've no problem at all with accepting on BLIND FAITH; that all the life & design you see just fell together by random happenstance!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
As far as god haters go...do u hate Big Foot? In other words, how do u hate something that doesn't exist?? If the biblical god were real, then I'd have a reason to hate it, simply bcuz it is cruel and evil, as demonstrated in your bible. That's another thing...if god was gonna write a book, wouldn't u expect he'd provide a book that is rational, coherent, and also error and contradiction free? Yet the bible is rife with these problems.
That's some Papa Smurf u grovel to, Sparky!.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@Coot, You hate the God of the Bible as He reveals Himself to be in His word! tell me this .. if you found out that the Bible was TRUE . beyond any doubt.. and that there is a HOLY GOD who DEMANDS that you REPENT & TURN from all the wicked evil deeds you love.. and also DEMANDS that you do all the RIGHTEOUS THINGS YOU HATE; & if you don't .. He is going to send you TO BURN in HELLFIRE ..to scream in torment .. while He MOCKS YOU .. would you have JOY.. or would you react with REBELLION & HATRED?
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@Dar When God sends the damned to burn, HE DOES SO OUT OF HATE! GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY! GOD HATES SIN & GOD HATES THOSE WHO PRACTICE SIN & DO NOT REPENT!
"The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You HATE all workers of iniquity." Psalm 5:5
The devil doesn't care if you believe in him or not, all he cares about is keeping you in a continual state of living in unrepentant sin! If you believe in him & hate God & love sin, or you don't believe in him & hate God & love sin, he has won!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
ciaranofseir
And yet your god created man just as he is, with all his weaknesses and his nature. He put Adam & Eve in a no win situation, then curses mankind's unborn, future generations, all for the failure of the 1st two people's so-called sin.
What a compassionate, fair and just god you grovel to.
And god hates these things you've listed yet he's guilty of doing the same, and far worse!
Oh yeah, the devil. Who gave satan his powers and let him lose on mankind to manipulate and terrorize us?
Cootabux 7 months ago
@Cootabu God created Adam & Eve perfectly, but gave them FREE WILL & put them in a situation where they would be forced to CHOOSE whether to OBEY Him or OBEY Satan! They chose to obey Satan to fulfill a fleshly lust!
ALL men are given consciences to warn them when they do wrong & all men WILLFULLY have gone against their conscience to DO EVIL to fulfill fleshly LUSTS, thus all men are WITHOUT EXCUSE, they have freely CHOSEN Satan & evil over obeying God & doing what they knew to be good & right!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@ciaranofseir But Adam and Eve were ignorant, they did not have knowledge of good and evil, they didn't know what they were doing was wrong, so God over reacted by punishing all of their descendants.
LegionIscariot 7 months ago
@Legion Adam & Eve knew they should not eat of the tree God told them not to eat of, and WILLFULLY did so ANYWAY! Eve ate because she liked what the serpent said about becoming like God, because it flattered her vanity, and she CHOSE to do what was wrong & disobey God, to gratify a fleshly LUST; and then not being content in destroying herself, she brought the fruit to Adam and tempted him to sin also!
Adam loved his wife MORE than God, because he obeyed her INSTEAD of God, becoming an IDOLATOR!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
How do u know?? U can't write into it what isn't there! U don't know why Eve ate the fruit. She was caught between two great powers. One tells her she'll die if she eats, the other tells her she won't die and her eyes will be opened. Do u think she had the faculties to understand she was being played? When she ate the fruit, the 1st thing she noticed was that she didn't die, AND she then understood good & evil...but not b4 ate the fruit!!! But who allowed the Serpent to temp them?
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C It was God who allowed the serpent to Tempt Eve, & its God who GIVES Satan His kingdom & authority! Satan soon will be given power to perform great LYING wonders, so that most of the world will be decieved & follow him, so that all who do will be DAMNED, because they have no love of the truth & itching ears to believe LIES! God may even allow Satan to give you evidence which seems to support your secularist lies, so you will HANG YOURSELF! God HATES the non elect & sends them STRONG DELUSION!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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But u said they were created perfect! If this was so, how could they disobey god?
Every1 interprets the story as they see fit. I see this, and all stories in scripture, as man-made, and got no help from any gods! If we study these stories carefully, we can see the state of mind of these early bible authors, the mentality of that early period, reflected in their biblical writings.. Man's intent with creating the story of Original Sin was to portray god as all good, and man as
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C Adam & Eve were created perfect, but were given FREE WILL & the ability to CHOOSE whether to OBEY God or DISOBEY! If God had created them without the ability to disobey, they would really be robots who loved & obeyed God because they were PROGRAMMED to & could not CHOOSE to do otherwise!
It's funny how parts of this "made up " story finds itself in many cultures & Satan's cultures around the world WORSHIP serpents & refer to them as bringers of wisdom & enlightenment as Luciferians do TODAY!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
Free will would not corrupt perfection!! The ability (choice) to do wrong, does not assist in doing wrong!! Sorry your premise doesn't make sense.
There are many cultures far older than Judaism (and btw, Judaism was made up from the Canaanite gods) that have duality. It's the oldest concepts on Earth! My people have lived by the Golden Rule long before it was ever thought of by a Hebrew. There are thousands of gods. This one is no different.
Btw, u still can't justify Orig. Sin.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@C Free will does not assist in doing wrong necessarily, the temptations of the FLESH do that & ALL are tempted! If you had a wife who COULD NOT be tempted by other men, because she was made in such a way that she was only capable of being attracted to you, she was HARD WIRED that way & was NOT capable of DESIRES for other men.. would it mean very much that she was faithful to you? Would it not mean more that her flesh PULLED her towards attractive charismatic men & she remained faithful ANYWAY?
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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Inherently weak & easily swayed to evil. My personal view is that the authors didn't understand man's struggle with his nature & instincts. They had no idea of our common ancestry with apes!
Adam & Eve didn't even have basic knowledge of good & evil "until" they ate the fruit. But why did got put the tree in the garden, unprotected? And why allow the Serpent to overpower Eve's mind & persuade her to eat the fruit? Also, how was god righteous in cursing the unborn for A & Es sin?
Cootabux 7 months ago
@Cool, The writers of the Bible had no idea our ancestors are apes, because it isn't true! The FAIRYTALE of Darwinism hasn't been around that long, & as the fossil evidence clearly shows, it's UTTER NONSENSE that abominable God haters like you will cling to, because you would be willing to accept absolutely ANYTHING before you would acknowledge God & give Him glory, because you love your filthy perverted sins & HATE God with all your being, & it's because of your WILLFUL ignorance you will BURN!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
U said; "The writers of the Bible had no idea our ancestors are apes, because it isn't true"
Now I know why u can't carry on a normal, rational conversation! If you're one of those Creationists who think the Earth is 6 K yrs old, and refuse to accept science, no wonder you can't or won't see the points I've made here.
Wait a minute asshole. U don't know anything about me. I was a Xian longer than u've been alive! I'm Indian, and live by traditional standards. I don't hate god!
Cootabux 7 months ago
ciaranofseir
Do other idiots like u, assume that simply b/c some1 doesn't grovel to the god u do, is thereby a god hater and lives in sin?? What an ignorant shit you are! I know more about your religion than U do, yet you think you know more. Just as you're willing to deny JC's own words that his 2nd coming was meant the Jews of "his" time! U twist scripture to mean what u want it to.
I like that last sentence.."U will burn!!" Typical Xian idiot with your threats of hell. What a monster u love.
Cootabux 7 months ago
@Cool Adam & Eve knew they should obey God, & God put them in a position where they would be FORCED to CHOOSE whether to OBEY Him or obey SATAN! He was forcing them to CHOOSE whom they would obey & serve, their Creator or Satan, & they chose to obey & serve SATAN!
If God did not put them in a position of temptation, & they remained faithful, how would that mean anything? What would you think of your wife being faithful to you, because you are both on a desert island & you're the only man around?
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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"Adam & Eve knew they should obey God, & God put them in a position where they would be FORCED to CHOOSE whether to OBEY"
Now I got ya! No, god didn't need to test them. He knew thru his omniscience! Man tells this story to convince us we are to blame, but god made man, not man. If we fail, it's the way he made us, regardless of free will! Your version doesn't make any sense. Can u see that?
Considering all that, how can u justify god cursing mankind's unborn generations?? U can't
Cootabux 7 months ago
This is why you had christian slaughtering each other in the name of the same god for centuries because they believe Jesus ordained multiple baptized regal-warlords as his lieutenants on earth and then for some inexplicable reason let them lead his flock too war against itself for the sake of the said king's material gain.
Why is St Maurice a saint, did he not break god's commandment to subject one self to Diocletian and obey his command to slaughter a village full of his christian brothers?
Obasiliasfilosofos 8 months ago
Even more damning are the works of Martin Luther himself. As the best selling German author of all time and author of the German bible, Martins seminal works are important to understand Hitler and the Nazis. In "On the Jews and Their Lies" Luther advocates killing the Jews as a Christian moral imperative. In "Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants", Martin Luther equates submission to the government to submission to god as a Christian moral value.
g24417 8 months ago
You excellently point out how wrong they are about their own morals but you didn't mention that they are wrong about OUR morals too!
An atheist has plenty of reasons to have apposed hitler. So this lame apologetic fails on both counts.
dlandon2000 8 months ago
Great video. I especially like how you take the time to compare various instances of word usage to stem the tide of "bad translation" excuses.
jlowe424 8 months ago
@jlowe424 Thanks. Despite my doing that for precisely the reason you identify, I *still* got a few Christians who tried to play the translation card. lol The apologetic quiver has a limited number of arrows in it.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@Prof There is no authority but from God. Satan was GIVEN his kingdom & crown BY GOD, & Satan gives authority to earthly rulers who are under him. Hitler was appointed ruler by divine ordinance of God (the dragon gave him his authority, & the dragons authority was given to him by God)
When Nazi police arrested people for CRIMES (murder stealing etc) they were in a sense acting as God's MINISTERS & those who resisted them (when they came to punish real crimes) were RESISTING THE ORDINANCE OF GOD!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
@ciaranofseir "Satan gives authority to earthly rulers"
Not according to the New Testament. It says God appoints them. Your argument is with your scriptures.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@Prof, God does appoint them. God appointed Satan to rule the world & foreknew who Satan would give authority to.. so all authority is GIVEN BY GOD!
"The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority." Rev13:2
"People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast" Rev13:4
"And the devil said to Him, 'All this authority I will give You, and their glory; FOR THIS HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ME AND I GIVE IT TO WHOMEVER I WISH." Luke 4:6-9
It has been PRE ORDAINED!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
@ciaranofseir "God does appoint them. God appointed Satan to rule the world...."
Well, then, your god has commanded his devotees to submit to, obey, and honor those whom Satan has appointed on his behalf. You've managed to take the situation from bad to worse.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@Pro God has commanded those who are His to submit to & OBEY the earthly authorities that Satan has given authority to. The Roman emperors (Men like Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & Nero) were RESPECTED by those in the Church & when Roman soldiers came to ARREST them & throw them in the coliseums to be crucified or burned at the sake, they did not resist and went PEACEFULLY.
Jesus did not try to resist the earthly authorities, but went peacefully when arrested & so did the Apostles, even to death!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
@ciaranofseir So, you agree, then, that the New Testament precludes Christians from opposing any government, correct?
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@Prof This is not God's world, but Satan's world! Jesus told Pilate; “My kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants WOULD FIGHT, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is NOT from here.” Jn 18:36
Jesus said if His kingdom WERE of this world, THEN His servants WOULD fight for Him, but now His Kingdom is NOT from here! Satan has LAWFUL jurisdiction in giving authority to leaders that was GIVEN to him BY GOD; & believers are not to resist!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
@ciaranofseir Thanks.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@Prof Jesus also said;
"Of judgment, because the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD is judged."Jn16:11
"I will no longer talk much with you, for the RULER OF THIS WORLD is coming, & he has nothing in Me."Jn14:30
The idea that this is God's world, the USA is God's chosen country, & God is working WITH a political party to make things better, is NOT TO BE FOUND IN SCRIPTURE! I have heard people say Jesus would be a REPUBLICAN & this is BLASPHEMY! Jesus is God & God is HOLY & mans governments are CORRUPT & EVIL!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
@ciaranofseir I'm not sure why you're continuing to go on about this. You and I *basically* agree about what the Christian scriptures say regarding the Christian god's appointing rulers and the obligations of the Christian god's devotees vis-a-vis those rulers.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@Prof Well, not quite! You seem to think this is God's world; & God directly appoints rulers who are RIGHT with Him, & we are to be SUBJECT to rulers who are FAVORED by God! Implying Hitler was God's favored elect!
This isn't true! When mankind first sinned against God, by obeying Satan instead of God, GOD GAVE MAN OVER TO SATAN, because man had chosen to serve Satan INSTEAD OF GOD!
God's kingdom is NOT of the world! Believers are SOJOURNERS, who should respect the authorities of a FOREIGN LAND!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
@ciaranofseir "Well, not quite! You seem to think this is God's world...."
Be assured: I don't think this or any other world is "God's world." :-)
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@P What I meant to say was; "You seem to think THE BIBLE TEACHES that this is God's world; & God directly appoints rulers who are RIGHT with Him, & we are to be SUBJECT to rulers who are FAVORED by God! Implying Hitler was God's favored elect!"
Does that about SUM UP the position of the video?
What the apostles were saying is ULTIMATELY there's no other authority BUT FROM GOD & everything that happens, HAPPENS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD! Evil rulers are in place because God ALLOWS them to be!
ciaranofseir 8 months ago
I was told the same thing about the Jews and the Holocaust by a fundamentalist Christian when I was 10. While she was saddened by the carnage, she believed God had no choice but to turn his back on them for 2000 yrs of rejecting Christ. Prophecy was fulfilled. They brought it on themselves. Didn't Hitler use that to justify his atrocities? We called Hitler a maniac. Yet according to fundies, God was justified on his part, Hitler wasn't. How can you have one without the other? Cause and effect.
Tonithenightowl 8 months ago
It always bugs me when people in debates with apologists never point out that the biblical god is light years apart from the god professed by apologists. Excellent video.
havvyweponsman 9 months ago
@havvyweponsman I couldn't agree more. People don't (as William Lane Craig claims) obtain objective moral values FROM the Bible. Rather, people bring their modern humanist values TO the Bible. They apply these values when determining which portions of the Bible to ignore and which to follow.
I wish apologists could see what they're doing and realize we don't need to believe in God to be ethical. Regardless, I'm glad they have the good sense to ignore large sections of their holy book.
llkeith77 9 months ago
@havvyweponsman "Excellent video."
Thanks a lot.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
I can already imagine my conservative agnostic ex-friend saying, "they only wrote stuff like that to avoid the persecution of that awful government..."
vspqbd 10 months ago
@vspqbd And they're most likely correct.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
The following is the Bible from which I quoted ---> The New American Bible. Canada: World Bible Publishers, Inc., 1987.
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
@ProfMTH ---> It should also be noted that your videos are excellently made (often with equally excellent humor), and I thank you for helping to advance reason.
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
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Highlyskeptical 10 months ago
@ProfMTH ---> It should be noted that in Romans 13:8,10 (directly following what you quoted from scripture), Paul says this: "Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. . . .Love does no evil to the neighbor; hence, love is the fulfillment of the law." Clearly, Paul does not intend to encourage Christians to obey evil commands.
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
@JediKnightZack "Clearly, Paul does not intend to encourage Christians to obey evil commands."
So despite the unqualified command to obey government as "established by God" and Paul's dire warning that those who rebel against government rebel against God and, in so doing, bring judgment on themselves, you're here to say that Paul is actually counseling Christians to obey government only when, in their judgment, the government is doing good, is that correct? Keep in mind the government at...
ProfMTH 10 months ago
(con't) @JedKnightZack ...the time the letter to the Romans was written was the Roman Empire with Nero at the helm.
"It should also be noted that your videos are excellently made (often with equally excellent humor), and I thank you for helping to advance reason."
Thanks.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH ---> "Keep in mind the government at the time the letter to the Romans was written was the Roman Empire with Nero at the helm."
This is why it would be absurd to assume that Paul was giving Christians an "unqualified command to obey government." Nero persecuted Christians specifically following the Great Fire of Rome. (Paul's letter to the Romans was written before this fire, and my point may be less valid with this in mind. I will simply continue and let others be the judge. . . .)
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
(con't) @ProfMTH ---> If to be a Christian resulted in death at the hands of the state, I highly doubt that Paul would approve of Christians obeying the will of the government and giving up their belief in Jesus.
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
@JediKnightZack "If to be a Christian resulted in death at the hands of the state, I highly doubt that Paul would approve of Christians obeying the will of the government and giving up their belief in Jesus."
He says that those who rebel against / disobey government are rebels against the Christian god and bring judgment on themselves.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH ---> "He says that those who rebel against / disobey government are rebels against the Christian god and bring judgment on themselves."
Indeed. However, he qualifies his statement with the verses 13:8,10 (which I quoted in a previous comment).
Essentially, what Paul is saying is something quite similar to what Jesus is credited as saying in Matthew 22:21 ("repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God").
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
@JediKnightZack "Indeed. However, he qualifies his statement with the verses 13:8,10...."
Yeah, that's where you and I disagree. I don't see that as a qualification on the command regarding government at all.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH ---> I think that you are correct in saying that the New Testament gives Christians no basis for a "just rebellion" against a tyrannical government. In this regard, Christianity is lacking since it makes it impossible for citizens to defend themselves against evil governments. I do think, however, that there is a basis for a sort of "civil disobedience" (MLK Jr. style) in situations when the government makes a command to its citizens that is clearly morally repugnant. . . .
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
(con't) @ProfMTH -> This sort of "civil disobedience," I believe, is allowable to Christians because of the qualifier (Romans 13:8,10). This interpretation may be a bit of a stretch (I am not a New Testament scholar), but I just wanted to provide an argument sort of as a "Jesus' Advocate."
I figured it would probably be appropriate to let you know that I am an atheist, so I have no stake in the final interpretation of this passage from a holy book which I do not use to find moral truths anyway.
JediKnightZack 10 months ago
@JediKnightZack "I figured it would probably be appropriate to let you know that I am an atheist, so I have no stake in the final interpretation of this passage from a holy book which I do not use to find moral truths anyway."
Thanks. Of course any argument, no matter who makes it or why someone makes it, rises and falls on its merits (or lack thereof). But I appreciate knowing where you're coming from. :-)
ProfMTH 10 months ago
This video helped me write an essay. also, i have seen william lane craig debate at the U of S, he is such a fucking idiot. he states that "a world view cannot be judged by its effects on society" WHAT A RETARD.
omfgbobsaget 10 months ago
@omfgbobsaget "This video helped me write an essay."
Great.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
Oh this is going to be fun. What huge thing did you leave out? I will wait for you to ask me. In the meantime I will watch you think you got it right and have been wrong all along. So do you think I am just joking or maybe I have an explanation? Keep declaring that the NT says what you say and maybe I will destroy it if you are up to the challenge.
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
@RepresentingTruth If you have a refutation of the argument I've set forth in the video, then present it. Don't beat your chest and dance around like an ape. Get to it.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
@ProfMTH I will. Remind me at some point. I like watching your videos. So I just want you to think a little. There are some more videos I want to watch first.
RepresentingTruth 11 months ago
@RepresentingTruth " I will."
Good.
"Remind me at some point."
If you need a secretary, I suggest you procure one. :-)
" I like watching your videos."
Excellent.
"I just want you to think a little."
That's an excellent idea. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
Hitler was a christian. Get over it, butthurt christians.
Drgamedood 11 months ago
Also see Ephesians 6:5-7 for how slaves should obey their masters.
shanedk 11 months ago
@shanedk Also see Colossians 3:22 and Titus 2:9.
shanedk 11 months ago
*sigh* again paul of tarsus. the rome agent who preached against the Jews and the Laws of YHWH but claimed for obedience to rome and its rulers .. what an amazing coincidence.
this epileptic who in his own words had a devil talked as the demon possessed that he was.
first and second peter were written by the same author who wrote paul letters, more than 40 years after Peter´s death. every schollar, researcher, and theologist, of every religion knows it. paul of tarsus is a roman fraud
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
lol keep pressing 0 and he starts to sound like stephen hawking!
strong intelligent comment
emailjwr 1 year ago
the only thing horrible hitler did was kill the jews, and christians obviously dont believe that, we read the bible, the same bible your grandmother read, and her grandmother and so on, was your grandmother a nazi, no. and anyone who knows anything about christianity knows that killing is just wrong, it tells us not to kill in the ten commandments
doyce1000 1 year ago
@doyce1000 And what, if anything, does this have to do with the topic of this video?
"the only thing horrible hitler did was kill the jews"
You might want to spend some time familiarizing yourself with the facts.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH but my point, he thought he was helping people, but it was wrong, like what you did here, you know, thats the old testament anyway, and why do you have to attack other peoples beliefs, you dont see me making videos talking about how dumb athiests are like you do us
doyce1000 1 year ago