martha argerich rachmaninov piano concerto no.3 op.30

[darmani212]

Lang Lang is such a penis.

[ocsound1]

Argerich is beautiful her playing is outstanding .. one of, if not the very best in the world today hands down

[ipluggedu]

it matters not who's opinion is correct, as it is just that, an opinion

[LoftyProduction]

I like how you idiots come on this page to just fight over who is the "better pianist" you truelyare wasting oxygen ....

[aisla24]

Madame Algerich is a Godess dedicated all her life in brigin up these masterpieces...She doesnt need comments of how good she is...She the exceptional No 1 FEMALE PIANIST OF THE 21 CENTURY.

[JINA1592007]

最近は２番が流行ってるが自分はこの３番が一番好き

[ponte34]

superb

one of the best i have ever heard too good

harikasin ey sevgili muzisyen

[Wandalandowskaya47]

Excelente calidad de video y sonido.

[jabberwock01]

Simply the best! Better than all the rest, if you're looking for consummate skill and excitement.

I can't understand why anyone likes (L)Bang (L)Bang anyway. No MUSIC there at all.

[SuperWroclaw]

@jabberwock01 Lang Lang is the world's greatest pianist ever since Frederic Chopin! The easiest thing in life is to criticize. If you are so good, where is your video??

[EdiEllerymissing]

@SuperWroclaw SOOOO CHILDISH! You don't even know how to play piano, right? There's no comparison between Chopin and Lang Lang. I'm not racist, but Lang Lang is just another chinese piano player, there's nothing exceptional about him except for his thirst for money, popularity and his awesome luck. He has no special skills on the piano, just to play very fast, some times loud, some times piano. Chopin was a pianist and a composer: A REAL ARTIST. Chopin: Artist, Lang Lang: JUST CRAP!

[xdlaway]

@SuperWroclaw You can say that thousands of times. But Chopin and Rachmaninoff will laugh at you in heaven.

[gurtrudelim]

1:31 One of my favorite picture !

[hujispyro]

tout simplement magnifique

[trschaefer]

A monumental recording of this piece. She is just unbelievable!!!

[lokopiano]

Also a beautiful recording of this RAK III is made by Lazar Berman conducted by Abbado. But the medium age one. In these recent years he is conducting very strange . I don´t like him too much anymore.

lokopiano

[liszt78]

the only woman i always wanted to marry!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lokopiano]

Believe me............ much better don´t do it.

Great artist, maybe the greatest woman pisnist on the world. BUT as wife..... :-) :-)

Lokopiano.

[vova47]

Like he would have a chance !

[lokopiano]

Uhmmmm .

Good idea, but please don´t make me responsabile of the liszt78 action.

Uhmmm....

[salviati]

Argerich is not human.

[lokopiano]

Certainly not. She is Argentinian.

[lokopiano]

or maybe unhuman ?

LOL.

forget about , i was not serious.

She is just a monster pianist,

lokopiano

[EdiEllerymissing]

I Agree!!!!

[lokopiano]

Did you watch the videos in her twenties?

Amazing and extremely beautiful.......what a legs.............woww...

Perfect technique also.

almost like the WONTON (lonlon)  technique.... HAHAHA LOL

lokpiano

[EdiEllerymissing]

She was very beautiful... and, men, she can play. She's awesome. I really can't undestand how someone may like Lang Lang after listen to Argerich or Berman.

[lokopiano]

Of course...........i think mostb people who like WONTON are very amateur.

They like the circus .

lokopiano

[Ellinidara]

Good,totally agree!

[Ellinidara]

@EdiEllerymissing Well said !!!!! Bravo.

[SuperWroclaw]

@EdiEllerymissing Lang Lang is the world's greatest pianist ever!

[EdiEllerymissing]

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[xdlaway]

@EdiEllerymissing Lang Lang is just unbearable. Forget him.

[napoleoneterzo]

@EdiEllerymissing It 'best not to ask himself

[simcha181818]

@EdiEllerymissing She seems to me more beautiful in her more mature years. She has an inner beauty that one can only earn it.

[FBJ77]

one of my fav.

[rudikeimel]

wonderful

[beccatrmpt]

the piece is played beautifully. a very good rendition

but is it just me or....is does that piano itsself sound odd to any of you. i fee like its incredibly bright or sharp or something

maybe im just raving mad who knows

[HarpoMarx22]

I agree - the piano sound harsh and brittle. I don't know if it's the recording, or the piano itself, or the way she plays it

[napoleoneterzo]

Una meraviglia da SPOSARE.Ciao

[zauberkreis]

I find a cleaner and clearer version is Byron Janis's. His rendition of this work is much more poetic and more beautiful than Argerich's playing. But don't get me wrong, i like very much Martha's version, it's very fancinating!

[rigel48]

I also like very much Byron Janis (and Horowitz too) in this work, but I prefer Argerich's rendition for the extraordinary high voltage she brings all over the concerto.

[zauberkreis]

I agree with you, the passion she showed us in this work is amazing!

[mytchilla]

Oh yes - this is sehr schoen, but I suggest taking a look at Prokofiev's Third concerto. Now, that is fantastic *

[mytchilla]

And, as a matter of fact, Martha has stolen several major and very characteristic "tricks" from none other than Horowitz, both on detailed and general level. Just compare young Horowitz's recordings with this one, and you will see it yourself. Also, nearly everyone of the famous performers of this concerto have done the same thing (i.e. Volodos, Van Cliburn, Byron Janis etc.), and that's no wonder, knowing and feeling that Horowitz understands the very essence of Rachmaninov's music

[tenorismo]

Van Cliburn ,Kondrashin,Carnege Hall. The best. The 2 secounds of dis-belief and then the thunderous applause. Horowitz banged away at the Rac 3 like a shoemaker with the wrong end oif the hammer. Horowitz Ha.

[dasteufelhund]

Argerich owns this piece, and you're right about Horowitz, that was aweful.

[mytchilla]

...Please, do not talk about something you don't have a CLUE about. Horowitz's performance of the Third Concerto is a part of Concerto itself. Didn't you know that Rachmaninov claimed Horowitz is playing it better than he does himself?

Maybe you've heard one of the 1978 recordings, where it may seem that Horowitz was too old, but that's certainly not the case anyway. You should put on a 1951 recording, or 1941. These recordings are legendary, and Third concerto can't be imagined without them.

[dasteufelhund]

You are quick to accuse others of not having a clue. I have heard all of the recordings in the span of his life, and that is how I have came to this point, and I have even observed him live. Furthermore, Martha was just born shortly after Rachmaninoff's passing, If Rachmanioff had lived to hear Argerich, he would have given the similar compliment to her. There is just more spark, flair and velocity in Argerich whereas Horowitz's textbook version of Rach 3.

[mytchilla]

..Wait, what do you mean "textbook"? Horowitz is everything BUT the textbook-player (surely you know that), and this of course metters his Third concerto recordings, especially the last one, with Zubin Mehta, 1978, where he had omited nearly 40% of notes in the whole Concerto, so there, textbook is long gone :) But, what stays is his expressional depth and emotional simplicity and honesty.

..Which doesn't go for Martha.

..Whose playing of Third concerto I also love very much, I forgot to say xD

[mytchilla]

Horowitz and Rachmaninov were very close, and Rachmaninov considered Horowitz as his spiritual son. That's a very well-known thing, and if you were hearing most of their recordings, you could clearly see that they have the very same musical idea and emotion.

These nonsense about Horowitz are at the same level as someone's claiming that Rachmaninov didn't very much understand his own music, and that i.e. Martha Argerich plays this better than Rachmaninov. It's just ridiculous

[dasteufelhund]

Your second paragraph is worth noting, that claiming Rachmaninoff doesn't understand his own music. Does Rachmaninoff really realized the depth of his own writing? Or is it really the genius of Rachmaninoff that he created a work that it is bigger than the creator himself? why does the saying that a performer does it better than the composer ridiculous? Argerich evidently does play better, if you want to say it's different, whatever makes you happy...contin...

[dasteufelhund]

but the notion of saying the performance of a work cannot be surpassed by any others in comparison to its creator, is ridiculous.

[mytchilla]

...No, it cannot be surpased by the performer. To be *different* - yes. To play faster, more clear, with less wrong notes - of course. But, to surpass Rachmaninov's playing, and especially his playing of his own music, considering the emotional and expressional aspect - now, THAT is the point when all we can do is be gratefull to circumstances that made Rachmaninov's recordings possible.

Rachmaninov is the most complete pianist since phonograph is invented, there should be no doubt.

[dasteufelhund]

Cannot? You stated "to player faster, clearer, less wrong notes." This is compared to performances preceded this one. If a performance evokes deeper stimulation of spiritual, emotional contact, anything "more" positively, would be considered as "surpass" the previous even by composer himself. The only element that is valid in terms of being surpassed, would be the genius of his compositional devices as well as his tonal, Romanticism mastery that he integrated within this masterpiece.

[mytchilla]

Oh!, what a long and complicated sentences you can write.. :) Je suis enchante! :D Sorry, just kidding..

C'mon, all I said was that it is very, VERY logical that composer will play his own music the way he really wanted to write down, and just who is the one that will say someone else "better understood it"? We can understand music, but we can't be so cocky and say that we've surpassed composer in understanding the music HE wrote.

We can only play DIFFERENT, or simply write some new music, eh?

[NauticalVortex]

Can't say I disagree with you on this, so I agree.

[dasteufelhund]

Perhaps, but I would think although it is logical for a piece is more genuine when it is expressed by its creator, but it certainly it is not impossible for someone else who is more emotional and capable of delivering that composer's piece. Now the question comes whether if it is "better", if it impacts the audience deeper than composer's performance, then what will the composer say? Nothing because he's not there to answer this questions. So the question really lies untied.

[vova47]

Depends on composer. In Rachmaninoff´s case it cannot be surpassed because he was such a great pianist and his music was born out of his understanding of what piano was capable of.

[mytchilla]

It's truth that Martha has shown Third concerto in it's best, but only as far as the "firework" side of it is considered. On the other side, firework, sparks, velocity & furiosity are leading in nearly all Martha's recordings, and my comments on this one rely on most of them. She plays every piece in the very similar manner, often forgetting the lyric, pastoral, intimate dimension of it. So, when it comes to the simple phrase, she plays it so "horny", that it seems she missunderstood it at all.

[dasteufelhund]

I tried very hard, but fail to find any possible performances by Argerich that would fit your description. How much of Argerich have you listened and in what piece(s) are you referring to that remotely came close to what you have just described?

[mytchilla]

Her performances I like: Prokofiev 3rd,Ravel G-dur,Chopin e-moll,Shostakovich op.35,Haydn D-dur (and a few more things I can't recall now).

Not like: Schumann Concerto,Kreisleriana,Sonata g-moll,Chopin Preludes,Prokofiev Sonata No.7,Tchaikowsky Concerto (you liked it,I know), and nearly every other piece I've heard from her.

Indifferent: Beeth. 1st&2nd,Liszt Sonata h-moll,Kinderszennen,Bach Partita c-moll.

Just what noble is there? And you should be more relaxed when you talk about music :)

[dasteufelhund]

I won't deny, that Martha seems to be very good at late/post romantic works. I haven't listened or perhaps liked enough of her Classical or barqoue interpretations. That doens't mean she plays poorly on music in those period.

[MincusPincus]

This version is, for me, light years better than all other performances in History of this Concert, including the same Rach's version. Kilometers better than Horowitz; only a very big fool can't appreciate the difference.

[PianoVlog]

absolutely agree

[astronomo16]

The best perfomance of this piece is...next to the same Rachmaninoff, Vladimir Horowitz, but on the whole, all are fantastic!

[f2781]

I wouldn't be so quick to conjecture that. There are many people, including myself, who think that Horowitz' rendering of this piece is its apotheosis.

[jvmalfi]

yes but i find her version cleaner and clearer

[BachFong11]

Actually everyone knows that Martha owns this piece.

[mytchilla]

...Yes, but it's not about owning the music, it's about serving it.

And the bad habit of Martha generally is her very tendency to "conquer" the music for herself, instead of bringing it to people. There is a major difference

[dasteufelhund]

Is it a bad habit? Or is it the undercurrent and perhaps, the characteristics of nationalism that define, or felt by the composer, performer and the audience? I would think serving has very little relevance when you approach this caliber of performers. Do you think the audience's reaction takes up any portion of her approach to music? I hardly think so. So owning, or to possess is justified, we as performers are, or should be selfish to present a work in its best light.

[BachFong11]

I agree. Also, about my comment above, it was merely stating the obvious that Martha has no technical problems with this giant concerto. So when I say "own" I mean she tackles this with the greatest of ease and simplicity. Rachmaninoff surely meant for this to be extremely challenging both technically and artistically, and Argerich has dominated this.

[dasteufelhund]

Exactly.

[zauberkreis]

But she learnt all these from Horowitz, she tried very much to imitate him.

[dasteufelhund]

Horowitz is a good player, but far from apotheosis.

[dasteufelhund]

next to... that's funny, so what do you do when a performance/player surpass that standard evidently by Argerich's Rach 3? Horowitz is not on the same level as Argerich and he's just sloppy.

[mytchilla]

..Now, you are the one that rushes into conclusions :) I'm sorry, but it is unhuman to oversee Horowitz's pianistic, musical, creative, mental & emotional capabilities. Of course no one is untouchable, but it is no longer an issue to discuss him on a general level. I was always first to laugh at his awful wrong notes, outrageous sforzzandi and overdone expressions. But, I rather cheer than laugh, because his spirit is so strong that it is no longer matter about anything "falsch".

[dasteufelhund]

At Horowitz's level, it is expected of him to deliver all of those elements wrapped in pretty box. It is also because he has never been discussed on a average level, the standard of perfection (of what one human being can come close" has also been raised. It may be cute and funny to see a legendary player such as Horowitz to hit wrong notes, but when he does it consistently, and had no regard of correcting his playing, it's difficult for the listeners to give him cont...

[dasteufelhund]

it is difficult for the listeners to give him benefit of the doubt based on his merit of charisma or spirit.

[mytchilla]

..Ok, dear sir or madam: have you EVER listened to ANY of Vladimir Horowitz's recordings before, let's say, 1970? Or from the forties? Or '30s, or '20s? He indeed played perfectly (if we're talking about correct notes and speed; just take i.e. Chopin's Scherzo No.4, or Liszt's Paganini etudes, or his Carmen phantasy; ..of course, Tchaikovsky Concerto and Rach3 from 1930 and 1941, just anything). It's a classic mistake about people judging Horowitz: they have NEVER heard him before his age of 65.

[dasteufelhund]

Reread my posts, you will see I already answered your question.

[zauberkreis]

All the pianists were trying to imitate Horowitz's technique (including Martha Argerich, of course) when they play this work. Even Argerich herself won't agree with your opinion.

[samuelchau]

Agree, actually Argerich said that herself in some interviews, she said Mr. Horowitz is her true idol.