Muay Thai vs Wing Chun,Taekwondo, Shotokan Traditional martial arts

[wqsid]

I think muay thai is probably the best striking art, but challenge matches prove nothing. Muay thai fighters can and have lost to other strikers.

[Freestyleartclub]

@wqsid the question is how many muay thai lost how many time others.for example k1 and mma was created to see different styes finghting each other/cause before every style had his own tournament. but in k1 or in ufc in strike force you can see that different styles fighting each other.lets talk about k1 cause k1 was for stand up fighting. last 19 years title holders was muay thai fighter from holland,.. only andy from kyokushin won title.after 7 month spending in boxing camp. enough prove

[torqueup74]

Not only is direct, raw and strong, fluid and and "open mind" art...Muay Thai leg kicks, shin strikes, blocks and bones conditioning makes a true difference!

[Nikolas100o10oao]

Taekwondo was also a war art. So was Kung Fu and Muay Thai and Karate and Ju Jitsu. They are all war arts. Nowadays people aren't trained correctly. They are too sport oriented, which is fine but when in an actual fight you need more then sport techniques. Muay Thai is not invincible and neither are any other martial arts. Its all about the training.

[Freestyleartclub]

@Nikolas100o10oao tkd was not war art it was created by general choi.karate was created by okinawian people,they all someones fantasy. jiju jutsu was samurai fighting system because the were wearing heavy armor so they could not hit thats why they used close fighting system grapling.it is not surprise mix martial artists uses muay thai and jijutsu.there are not street monkeys who can beat very well trained muay thai fighter..muay thai is not sport. try ring fight come back,

[vincent4500]

@Freestyleartclub as Bruce Lee himself said "classical wing chun (as well as other classical' martial arts) is 'dry-land swimming'...he stated that 'train a man in boxing and wrestling for 1 year and he will beat most martial arts 'masters' of a lifetime'...However sometimes 'the man makes the system and the system doesnt make the man'...and besides tho some styles are generally more practical than others Bruce hit another level, he took the good of all (there is always good & bad in anything)

[laguana15279]

I just known that everyone who has trained Muay Thai can be hit more powerful than the TKD or Karate guy . o.O

I hope you can found out a film called "The strongest Karate" , The real world championship of Karate in around 1970's that I've seen.

[BlessedSalmon]

Hehe, in muay thai u fight 1v1 w/o any weapon, also fight on the ground is not allowed. That means, that if a muay thai meets on the street with 3-4 attackers armed with knifes and baseball bats, he doesn't know how to protect them. Also if he would be on the ground, he also won;t know what to do, how to protect himself, how to fight laying on the back, etc.

[Freestyleartclub]

@BlessedSalmon on the street with 3-4 attackers armed with knifes and baseball bats,???? there are no martial arts which knows how to protect .it is impossible only run away... to take muay thai fighters to the ground you need come close it is so dangers their elbows knees would fuck you off..on the street professional judoka or jijutsu fighter not going to atack someone. for street monkeys take muay thai fighter down no chance.and they good on clinch. muay thai alredy weapon.

[yoyager6567]

@Freestyleartclub there is something called krav maga. Disarming and quick takedown is my specialty.

[Freestyleartclub]

@yoyager6567 it is a sam copy of ex soviet union military training system.still include jui jutsu muay thai boxing.+ knife stick practising.

[arucardseito]

@yoyager6567 I always see people doing that krav maga moves on people stoped or doing pre-knew atacks, but I don't realy think it would work so great on a real combat, even a sport combat, doing a lot of moves on standing people is very easy, but fighting is very different.

[scarred10]

@BlessedSalmon sweet mother of jaysus,nothing will prepare you for multiple armed attackers.Any professional security man whose faced a knife will tell you its near impossible to not get cut and thats just 1 attacker.

[likunswang]

these tkd are sooooooooooo bad

[MrStathis77]

This is so true, Muay Thai and Boxing are the basis of striking in MMA. If Karate and TKD was so good then why don't U see them in MMA. Even Joe Rogan who taught TKD he said it is useless. Some movements do work but compared to Muay Thai, Muay Thai wins 80% of the time, now people will say TKD is not a combat sport if this is true then why do they have them in the olympics. The Truth is Muay Thai is more effective on the street and in the ring compared to any striking art.

[Snakeshit287]

@MrStathis77@MrStathis77 I wouldn't completely agree. George St. Pierre trained in Kyokushin. Also, many big K-1 fighters were Kyokushin including Andy Hug who defeated many great Muay Thai fighters. But I will agree with you on that it is more likely to walk into any Muay Thai boxing gym and receiving good training than walking to a random dojo and expecting good training. Many people I train with cross train between Kyokushin and Muay Thai. Now they kick all kinds ass!

[Freestyleartclub]

@Snakeshit287 kyokushin, is full contact art, and there was nobody from kyokushin who could take k1 title,thought they tried their best,only Andy Hug, did it after loosing twice to Mike Bernardo, he went to boxing camp 7 month non stop trained boxing then came back and won title, still healways wanted defeat peter aerts he could not,why he went to boxing camp?cause kyokushin does not train much to protect head, andy was getting ko esealy,.

[Snakeshit287]

@Freestyleartclub You are absolutely right! I have been training in Kyokushin for three years, that is the major draw back. At the dojo I train at we generally hit in the face when wearing gloves. However, when training for tournament I always get back into bad habits until I fight Sensei after and get a couple black eyes or get knocked out before the guard gets back up. I figure to just keep training hard and eventually I will get it right!

[owencarter1973]

I'm not a Thai boxer but my experience fighting TKD guys is much the same - they are so unstable when kicking that you just have to rush them to make them fall over. Half the time you're waiting for them to get up off the floor again.

[Jamesuni]

TMA training is not easy. I know what you are hinting at but true MA is about adapting and over coming. If TMA was not for real then why do we still teach it to our police and military for? I agree many fakes are out there. You are most certainly correct. But TMA works, but like any thing else to get good at it you have to practice really hard and long. Don't forget the lesson of the day. Adapt to over come! Keep growing friend.

[Freestyleartclub]

@Jamesuni yes tma works for people who has no fight record who only knows martial arts from movies.. which military learning tma? i know tma works only in mc donlads to destroy cheesburger. i am sure you using it. now get the fuck outof here kid.

[Jamesuni]

@Freestyleartclub If you are a fan of sports fighting then you would know that some of the greats such as GSP and Machida of the UFC have traditional backgrounds. You do not understand any thing about TMA. You do not fight like the form! You are at least a novice in your understanding of TMA. Keep growing forward.

[Freestyleartclub]

@Jamesuni oh really?gsp machida ?wow? you think you smart?you just fat ass kid.who cares what backround has they are?evebody has some backround..it is important what they using while fighting.machida bjj black belt also wrestling champion..and training muyay thai with blackhouse gym with anderson silva..gsp is kyokushin karate which is full contact.excelent bjj skill..plus last 10 years his in muay thai you do not know any shit about martial art. tma shit for shit people like you

[yoyager6567]

@Freestyleartclub do you know what krav maga is? Krav maga is a combination of Karate, boxing, kung fu, wrestling. It is used by the fucking isreali military to kill those diaperheaded bastards. Tell me Krav Maga is not traditional.

[Freestyleartclub]

@yoyager6567 krav maga?krav maga just copy of soviet military fighting system which calls combat sambo..sambo means self defence.. krav maga for hands uses boxing,for legs muay thai,elboes knees, for grapling jui jutsu wrestling. they do more worrkout on knife stick,and weapon attacks, there are not kung fu or traditonal martial arts..they do not practise monkey stance or kata or shitty kicks or punches.educate yourself beforea talking about something

[KensaiZen]

@Freestyleartclub errrr heres one for you. Traditional Muay thai destroys sports muay thai... true or not you should know this.

[Freestyleartclub]

@KensaiZen where is prove?prove it?

[KensaiZen]

@Freestyleartclub don't be stupid. Sport Muay thai only consists of 10% of traditional Muay thai techniques of which those techniques were not just meant to "hurt" the opponent. If you really want to test it out, Have a sport muay Thai fighter fight a Muay kaad Chuag or Muay boran fighter. You will see. If TMA made for war is not effective... it wouldn't still be in existence. All the practitioners would be dead.

[Freestyleartclub]

@KensaiZen meant to "hurt" the opponent? you stupid person i have ever seen..go to the ring ask muay thai fighter to fight with you come back and tell me that does not hurt.moron i have been doing muay thai and i know what is muay boran..what about you..just heard from someone and bulshiting here,,muay thai has include boxing it is way better then muay boran.. you will never understand because you are not fighter.you better go watch some jet lee movies kid

[EdDy4RheelZ]

Honestly, I think the worst is Wing Chun. I got friends at my MT gym who have black belts in TKD and Karate since their parents sent them when they were young but yet, they're humble and open to learn what's effective and when they do by cross training, some elements of techniques that they've acquired from TKD/Karate actually work, which is why guys like Cung Le, Anthony Pettis, Lyoto Machida, etc are successful. However, none of WC techniques ever work and are plain useless.

[TickleMaTurkey]

@EdDy4RheelZ None of the Wing Chun technique work and are plain useless? There was a chap called Bruce Lee who might argue that point. Besides these fights have rules so its only a test of sport.

[Freestyleartclub]

@TickleMaTurkey you know name of Bruce lee because his amazing skill and speed.boxing,judo,kicking,weig­ht training and hard sparing.he was mix martial artist.thats why he became popular. in the begining he did wing chun.but after fight in Seatle he was disapointed and created jeet kundo. if Bruce Lee keep doing wing chun today we could not know his name.so stop using Bruce lee name to make popular wing chun.

[torqueup74]

It's very useful in TMA to keep your guard low ah ah ah ah...as in TKD!!!! Anyway...In my experience Wing Chun only can compare a little with Muay thai. Then...You're right man, not only Muay thai was a warfare discipline, but is actually open to "everything that works", showing a very fluid and open-mind approach! Just think to Saenchai and his own freak kiks:))

[SakanLam]

Muay Thai is a traditional martial art... Don't be mistaken.

[Freestyleartclub]

@SakanLam Muy thai is not traditonal..traditional was muay boran..even muay boran was born druing war..it is simple and effective..muay thai modern and more effective because include boxing. traditonal martial arts are limited.

[sahapoom1975]

@Freestyleartclub Could you please watch this vdo "youtube.com/watch?v=sPiJvEZry­O0&feature=related" or search "Chaos Mad Max The Bloody Finale DC edit". It's a bare knuckle fight between young karate guys and retired old Muay Thai fighters. It's very interesting you can add it into your portfolio about MT vs TMA.

[sahapoom1975]

@Freestyleartclub Could you please watch this vdo "youtube.com/watch?v=sPiJvEZry­O0&feature=related" or search "Chaos Mad Max The Bloody Finale DC edit". It's a bare knuckle fight between young karate guys and retired old Muay Thai fighters. It's very interesting you can add it into your portfolio about MT vs TMA.

[torqueup74]

It's amazing the TKD stance with low guard, ah ah ah ah...very useful...for the opponent, of course!!!!!

[AnonymousAsianCrew]

what show is that at 2:58

[icadist]

muay thai is one of the martial arts in my list that i should learn!!! so powerfull

[BBoultkd]

And if MT is the best against martials arts why in 1962 Mr. Tadashi Nakamura (then a 1st Degree Black Belt in Kyokushin Kai Karate) went to Thailand to fight the Muay Thai champion in Lumpinee Boxing Stadium. Mr. Nakamura won the fight by KO. ?

[Freestyleartclub]

@BBoultkd 1 kyokushin is not traditonal it is full contakt. second tadashi was impressed by muay thai style he came 3 weeks before fight and fully was learning leg kicks knees and elbows. head sensei who brought kyokushin team to thailand was knocked out it was shock,because they were thinking kyokushin number one. tadashi won that fight by using muay thai techniques,clinch and knees, thats why he came back left kyokushin and created his own style Seido.

[BBoultkd]

@Freestyleartclub Anthony Pettis, Cung Le, Dan Hardy and the other are not bad at all and they not MT fighters. Traditionals martials arts are a culture and it have to stay in the country, UFC fighters are not the best fighters of the world, the best stay in their discipline, you can compare

I have already had to defend myself and taekwondo kicks works, even with inflexible pants, it's depend of the fighter, not the style

[Freestyleartclub]

@BBoultkd Anthony Pettis, Cung Le, Dan Hardy ?? they all does mma..they work grapling, they do muay thai, they do mix art. they do not just train tkd.they have tkd backround it does notmean they train it now. . anyway ufc, or strikeforce, or k1 champions always from muay thai.it does mean style is very important.muay thai is not style it is real and effective art.why it is better then traditonal? because monster training routine ..traditonal too old and not effective.. mma modern.

[Anatda]

@BBoultkd I don't know much about other fighters , but Cung Le(included Sanda) , just like Tadashi...they're no longer traditional arts coz they all intergrated Muaythai's Techniques( guard, stances,foot work, striking techinque)into their styles, excluding the take down nor those flashy kicks ofcoz ,also not any of the ground games...

[Freestyleartclub]

@Anatda evebody start martial arts with something..someone with karate someone with tkd. k1 legend peter aerts start his martial arts with tkd. it does not mean he use tkd to became k1 champion..most important thing finaly all of them stays with muay thai because it is simple and effective. all of them uses muay thai when they fight. cause traditonal amrtial arts good for show uneffective for combat fight

[Freestyleartclub]

@BBoultkd last 17 years K1 popular in japan..kyokushin fighters wanted won that tournament but never happened.only dutch muay thai fighters won title.kyokushin organized special team of kyokushin fighters, and they brought muay thai trained Jason Vemoa to train kyokushin fighters for the ring, but still they could not won the title.only Andy Hug won that title after 3 years boxing training..because hands was terrible.kyokushin does not protect head good enough.

[mspark89]

@BBoultkd Yea dude its cuz Kyokushin is pretty good. They are rivals in a sense. However like the other guy said, the Japs even had a Thai person teaching them MT months before they even got to japan. They watched clips of Thai fighters fighting int he ring and also learned it. If u watch the vid, it just looks like 2 MT guys fighting, not MT vs Karate. k1 was created a while after that as a continuation and most of the champions were Muay Thai fighters. i still love kyokushin as well!

[chai5552000]

@BBoultkd Bahahaha,Thanks Wikipedia.The Kyokushin system by Oyama is based on traditional karate like Shotokan and Goju-ryu, but incorporates many elements of combat sports like boxing, Muay Thai and kickboxing in kumite. Many techniques used in Kyokushin Karate are not found in other styles of karate.What does that means.It means Kyokushin Karate is copied from Muaythai.yeah MT can beat Mt.

[CreatedOnly4U]

@BBoultkd LMAO stupid those karate (kyokushin) japs are always interested in muay thai. Just as what Freesyle said, get your facts first :)

[williamwilson666]

Lyoto Machida Vs Thiago Silva, Anthony Pettis Vs Danny Castillo, Cung Le Vs Frank Shamrock, Pat Barry Vs Anthony Hardonk. and on, and on.....

[Freestyleartclub]

@williamwilson666 lyoto machida is BJJ black belt, wrestling champion and training full muay thai in blackhouse gym with Anderson Silva..thats why his fighting in mma.if he knew he could use his shotokan he would fight in K1,because shotokan stan up martial art.so why he does not fight in stand up fights? he is sparring hard muay thai sparring every day. he is good fighter because BJJ wrestling muay thai. and few kicks from shotokan.. so millions training shotokan where are others???? tell me?

[thefithpower]

this is good fighting .. not like that ufc crap that just a street fight ,,,,,,, NO SKILLS

[TKDDennis1]

I agree, it is sad that many (most !?) trad' martial arts schools believe what they do will work in a real situation - but won't !

I think Taekwon-do, kung-fu, judo etc can work, but it's how you train. It has to be realistic and you cannot stay within your narrow competition rules. (myself and other students compete in pro mma competitions against all backgrounds)

[nathanwatches]

how u train is how u will fight just that simple . Conditioning , conditioning , conditioning .Styles are just tools , each practitioner should takes what works for him and him alone . Muay thai have higher % of winning because of their tough conditioning and the rules . The videos mostly shows kickboxing/ muay thai rules . It would be more fair if they are judge in MMA rules ie fight in MMA rules where grapling is allowed . Things would be very different then .

[Freestyleartclub]

@nathanwatches n this video we talking about stand up martisl arts..everybody knows muay thai +bjj it is perfect martial arts and best one..every professional mma fighter practising muay thai. it depends how fight goes grappler can won easy.or muay thai fighter can won easy. cro cop does not know grapling he had won so many best graplers.

[tomal100100]

@Freestyleartclub i think: Boxing, MT, roman greco wrestling and bjj is the perfect martial art not just MT & BJJ

[Freestyleartclub]

@tomal100100  yes you right but MT alredy include boxing, and BJJ alredy include some greco roman takedowns, so short way is MT and BJJ. you can do Judo and MT or greco roman and mt but bjj has more finishing of techniques then others thats why.

[idontfkinknow1234]

lol wing chun vs muay thai, fucking comedy. where's your fancy hand slaps now bitch? lol

[MechPhantom]

hey i remember the 1960s part of the vid on MT. Not only they won karate etc they also win alot of kung fu styles,TKD,Shaolin syles,karate etc, but that was during the 70s and MT destroyed ALL those martial arts man. That was the reason in the 80s, sanda was created by the chinese to counter MT. Most even said that sanda is china's MT and its pretty true due to the similarity of fighting on how it resembles MT. Coz MT just OWNZZ !!

[Freestyleartclub]

@MechPhantom true,

[MechPhantom]

@Freestyleartclub nah ur more true, ur vid speaks 100% truth man, keep the vids coming man, let people know the REAL truth of MT etc. Ur subbed !

[hazza3]

@MechPhantom ...holy shit you guys are stupid.

[kyle1172]

@hazza3 why are they stupid? if some have bad English literacy it is because they are foreign, I would like to see you type in Russian, or even understand the Russian alphabet? yeah exactly... SHUT THE FUCK UP. If you think they are stupid for their views then watch this and other videos, find out how many TKD, kung fu or karate fighters outside of kyokushin and sanda which mimic muay thai have become a champion in Thailand, they all got beat and trained Muay Thai instead, as the shotokan - do.

[MechPhantom]

bro thx for positng this vid man it made my day, soo true most of the demo thats presented here ! u rock !

[MechPhantom]

2 words : boxing owns !

[TheHightowerful]

correct me if im wrong but isnt muay boran the martial art used in war? i thought muay thai was just the combat sport that came from muay boran?

[Freestyleartclub]

@TheHightowerful muay thai or muay boran same thing.muay thai modern name with more boxing punches,muay boran oldest name with more knees elbows. muay thai is not a sport,,it is do not have rules you can strike elbwos knees leg kicks clinch and drop your oponent...sport when you put head gear shinpads,and light contact.

[TheHightowerful]

@Freestyleartclub ok thanks for clearing that up for me.

[blksquashextreme]

hail to muay thai.................

[oltifromhungary]

And what's with this Wing Tsun?

wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=UU­KzaxmeZcc

[DatOneKidJared]

Lol wing chun isnt even a fighting style its a method of teaching... but muy thai would obviously win lol i took wing chun and i know it wouldnt work

[pacholito24]

i do not believe in wing chun or shotokan or kung fu or aikido or tkd when matched against muay thai or boxing

[devilzmantis]

By the way, Muay Thai is made for gloves. You know why? cuz they use shins, knees and elbows which is everything but the gloves. Any other style that uses punches alone = deadmeat with gloves.

[Freestyleartclub]

@devilzmantis if you take gloves off from muay thai fighter you gonna die..you forgot that their condition?then do not punch air..they punch hard pads and bags...they have power and speed/

[devilzmantis]

@Freestyleartclub True I agree that muay thai fighters are very good but I sparred vs 3 muay thai fighters before with my Wing Chun. I've defeated 2 of them but lost to 1 who had 8 years training and was 50 lbs heavier than I was. Each time I get close to them, it was very difficult for them to box or even elbow me. Their knees and short range leg kicks has to be very strong and fast to win. Most of the WC videos out there are very very bad WC.

[ironwirewingchun]

@devilzmantis Would love to see a vid of that fight! =)

[devilzmantis]

@ironwirewingchun hey iron, i'm a WC person but my fighting stance is a "muay thai" stance with open palms. The 1 foot front 1 foot back is too linear and immobile. That stance is just a drill we use to strengthen our legs but I see WC people use it during real matches and get hurt real bad.

[ironwirewingchun]

@devilzmantis I totally agree with you on that one. In fact, I uploaded one video talking about the problems with using the classic WC stance in a fight.

[chris9hockey]

@Freestyleartclub in the last fight i see that muay thai fighter has more endurance in his muscle than the other guy so didnt see styles fighting(depends on fighter not the style).Also,as you say shotokan sucks how the hell became muay thai champion?And i dont see street fight i see muay thai fight with gloves,without gloves shotokan guy has more chance

[devilzmantis]

UMMM... that 1st wing chun vs boxer was no match. the boxer had atleast 15inch reach further. LOL

[ironwirewingchun]

and yes, I train in Muay Thai as well (and I am that second "like" on this video hehehe).

[ironwirewingchun]

That doesn't mean TMA is no good... actually, I think TMA is better on the streets than pure ring fighting arts as TMA conditions your wrist better for real ungloved fights... think all the broken wrists professional fighters get from pub fights...

[ironwirewingchun]

I tend to agree with the video to a certain extend being a practitioner of all kinds of TMA for the last 20 years. I think most TMA has lost touch with mixed martial arts fighting. They tend to spar within their own styles and lost touch with how it feels to have to react to people fighting differently. I think TMA can be ring worthy once again as long as TMAers start to adapt and integrate for gloves and rules (something TMA is weak in). That's what I am doing now.

[Freestyleartclub]

@ironwirewingchun i do not understund you..someone doing mma,his condition, runing skiping,weight training, he knows strikes.he knows submission,he sparr realistic hard and fight in the cage it is almost one on one realistic fight , so you trying to tell me some fake tma can be better on the street then the guy who does mma?how?as i told experience,condition, knowladge,both grapling and strike, how can tma be better?

[ironwirewingchun]

@Freestyleartclub Because if you ever fought on the streets, you would instantly realise that there is one striking weakness that will overcome you no matter how much you know... your wrists... one good way to understand this is to go ungloved and punch a heavy bag real hard like in an all out adrenalin street fight... for most pro fighters, one strike like this is enough to take the wrist out...

[Freestyleartclub]

@ironwirewingchun you talking about bulshit..i grew up in russia 90 th nobody knows street fight better then me.. someone 10000 times hitting heavy bags thai pads, someone does fake air punch kicks of course mma and muay thai fighters has strong wrist thern anybodyelse, mma muay thai fighters train their neck whoch is important your neck strong you strong, tma dancers does not have conditon at all... bulshit...tma is waste of time..does not work at all..

[ironwirewingchun]

@Freestyleartclub Chill bro, I am on your side and I am no TMA practitioner myself as I am an MMA fighter too, remember? No need to get all worked up. Whether TMA works on the streets or not is no longer my concern since I don't do pure TMA anymore as it does not work for my purpose.

[Freestyleartclub]

@ironwirewingchun all good:) i just do want people spent tehir time and money to shit art.

[chris9hockey]

@ironwirewingchun you are so right!!cant understand why you liked this vid

[ironwirewingchun]

@chris9hockey Well, I just think TMAers need a wake up call in terms of ring fighting. :) I guess I still really hope to see a few good TMA ring fighters. :)

[chris9hockey]

@ironwirewingchun you are in wing chun pratictioner and liked this vid?are you crazy?:P

[ironwirewingchun]

@chris9hockey Well, I practised MANY things over the past 20 years not just wing chun. I am even training in Muay Thai and BJJ so I am definitely not a "Chunner". Yeah, I really liked the wake up call effect of this video and hope that TMAers who wish to prove the world wrong should really open up their minds, get into the ring, adapt themselves and then post videos, good ones. I really look forward to that. :)

[ironwirewingchun]

@chris9hockey One of the biggest problem with TMA people fighting modern styles such as kicking boxing or muay thai is that they never seem to hold their arms up. That is the first golden rule of boxing, to always hold arms up. See how the WC instructor and the shotokan guy get their head whalloped just because they never hold their arms up? No fanciful stances without arms held up works in the ring.

[chris9hockey]

@ironwirewingchun if is ring match yes but in a street fight its your stance...

[Freestyleartclub]

@chris9hockey so funny..how does it happen strong muay thai fighter in the street more poferfull then weak wing chun.

[chris9hockey]

@Freestyleartclub lol? i believe wing chun is fake MA .Also TKD

[Freestyleartclub]

@ironwirewingchun did you ever hold in your hands mma gloves.it is not glove, it hurts hard then naked punch,,, you just have no idea what you talking about..

[Tax1982wt]

The guy you say that is an amateur boxer,is actually a boxing champion...Get your facts straight or get a life...

[Freestyleartclub]

@Tax1982wt HIS AMAUTER..DOES NOT MATER CHAMPION OR NOT.. WHEN YOU FIGHT YOU DO NOT ASK SOMEONE YOU CHAMPION OR NOT...IT IS ABOUT FAKE TECHNIQUE