How many Lies do you think you have told in your life? Have you ever stolen anything, even something small? Have you ever looked at a person with lust? Ever used GOD's name as a curse word? If so, GOD sees you as a Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Guilty will end up in Hell. That's not GOD's will. You broke GOD's laws, but Jesus paid your fine! (IF) you Repent, and trust in Christ alone, GOD will forgive every sin you have ever committed, and grant you Eternal life!
@Manoo62 What H.G. Wells' grandson or whatever relative he is is saying with such certainty about the impossibility of being able to change the past of this reality evem given the ability to travel in time just is ridiculous and has no real basis - how can he talk with such certainty about such things? He's just talking out of his arse.
@TrollWhut There is currently nothing in physics that suggests that time travel is not possible, only that its very difficult. Its not IF but WHEN it becomes possible, therefore considering its implications is reasonable. However suggesting the past cannot be changed show a funamental misunderstanding of what time travel actually is. So his concept of travelling to past events is quite wrong.
To allow time travel to the past, cosmic strings with a mass per unit length of about 10 million billion tons per cm moving in opposite directions at speeds of at leased 99.999999996 % of the speed of light - J. Richard Gott.
i think, we CANNOT go into OUR past because its already been done and dusted and its all happened and the people are dead and the moments have passed. therefore if we went through a wormhole (if possible, since it is hard) it wouldnt be likely that we travel into OUR past. what probably would happen is that we would go into another place in the universe, like teleportation. over all i think time travel into the past is impossible, its all happened and we cant go back and visit it again.
TIME TRAVEL IN THE PAST IS POSSIBLE BY GOING TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE AND NOT IN YOUR OWN WORLD LINE. THERE ARE MANY TIME TRAVELER STORIES SUCH AS JOHN TITOR WHO SAID PARALLEL UNIVERSE EXIST AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF YOU IN THE UNIVERSE WITH DIFFERENT OUTCOME AND THAT ALIENS AND UFO'S ARE REALLY TIME TRAVELERS AND HUMAN NOT GREEN SHORT PEOPLE
I partially disagree about not going to the past. While one cannot go back to the real past, one can indeed see it. All events are recorded, therefore it is like playing a record backwards.
In theory, time travel to YOUR future is impossible. On the other hand, If you did travel forward, you would be in the future (past by technicalitie) of another universe, where their past differs from yours, thus a differing future. The past however, is a different story. I personally believe that you can create a paradox, and change the future. Although if you go back and kill yourself, after you die you would be brought back to the moment right before you went back, because If you die, you ne
So basically you are saying you know better than all of the worlds physicists! Non of whom have a problem with time travel in principal....wow you really are dim.
As I have said, you clearly have no comprehension of what time travel actually means, I recommend a dictionary...oh and an education.
@Manoo62 are you actually stupid? im not saying i know better than all of the worlds physicists, besides its not about knowing Better its about what possible and whats not and time travel is not possible. for about the 4th time, time and events cannot happen again, what ever those physicists say its complete and utter rubish, you cannot travel back into, lets say, yesterday because its already done and gone.
@Astrobob2468 So you ARE saying you know better than all of the worlds best physicists!!!! Wow your arrogance is surpassed only by your stupidity. Maybe one day in the far future you will realise just how unbelievably dumb you are....maybe.
@Manoo62 are you stuck in your childhood? and if you are a child its understandable but if your as old as i am then seriously grow up, time travel isnt possible, you cannot see people alive again from the medeival times, you cannot go back to the time before 9/11 and you cannot eat an apple then go into the past 2 minites before and eat it again because YOU HAVE ALREADY ATEN IT, ARE YOU DUMB
@Astrobob2468 I think you have proved several times how dumb you are and confirmed that you are alone in your childish views of time travel. It is clearly a subject you should leave to adults as you are digging a hole of stupidity now for all to see.
@Manoo62 oh and do tell me how to see 9/11 occur once more with a time machine. i would like to know how a building which collapsed clearly to the ground in 2001 could happen again with such technology
@Astrobob2468 !?!?!?! Assuming you had your time machine, you dial up the morning of 11th Sep 2001 press go and then step out in 2001. Hang about a bit and see events unfold, simple.....in principal. Surely even a child would get that?
@Manoo62 ah yes a child would get that, but i simply did ask HOW do you time travel into the past. you cant just step out into another year, where the same things happen because they have already happened, the twin towers are already demolished and cannot happen again. tell me what you need to travel into the past
@Manoo62 i know what a freakin time machine wold allow us to do, but time travel cannot exist so its impossible. as i said we live in the moment and cannot change that
@Manoo62 do you know that people made up time to know when events are, like when night is night, and when day is day, they invented a clock to know when things are.
so technically time isnt real, so time travel couldnt be possible, because earth carrys on spinning and spinning on its axes and orbiting the sun, the moon carrys on orbiting the earth and we cant go back to another event in time on our time line.
but either way we could not go back in time if we wanted to, because its happened
@Manoo62 and just because theyre the worlds nest physicists doesnt mean they know absolutely everything about time travel, they are still a human chum like you and i. just because they hold the title of one of the worlds best physicists doesnt mean they know a real working theory to go back in time, it just means theyre very smart at physics. and if i was a physicist i would hate to be pointed out by some youtuber who thinks time travel exists, when really its not possible,coz times continuous.
@Manoo62 look, just because these physicists around the world are considered the best, does not mean they know the answer to every single theory for time travel, yes of course they are open of the best and yes they are very smart in the realms of physics. it doesn't mean that they know how to time travel, and if i may ask, what is still making you believe time travel is possible? why do you think it could be possible? because in reality, its really not.
@Manoo62 are you stuck in your childhood? and if you are a child its understandable but if your as old as i am then seriously grow up, time travel isnt possible, you cannot see people alive again from the medeival times, you cannot go back to the time before 9/11 and you cannot eat an apple then go into the past 2 minites before and eat it again because YOU HAVE ALREADY EATAN IT, ARE YOU DUMB
I guess everyone's hear the latest breakthrough as of a few days ago saying time travel may be possible at least at a subatomic level.
I wonder if something I've stumbled across could open new doors in scientific research. If you follow my link to see my first upload "Witness a Miracle" you'll see what I'm talking about. The first few moments after it comes into focus are key to watch, and it easier to see full screen. I swear this footage is genuine. p.s I'm not selling anything.
These people are vague & far fetch. It's irrational to travel back in time when it comes to Holly Wood perception or acceptance in this realm. But it's rational to travel back in time and watch things unfold just like a movie, without interfering. Like a movie without actress, a play without a writer. Hey! I think i'm on to something lol
time travel into the future is possible but when you travelled into the future you would be taken out of history and say if you went 2 years into the future people would think ou were missing for two years but for you (if you could reach near the speed of light) it would only be about a short period of time.
time travelling into the past is impossible, it is not popssible to re-do time,people or places.
@Astrobob2468 haha so how do u kno time travel is possible? did u time travel? lol. nd u dont "re-do" time, time is always there. you exist as a kid right now. you also exist as an old man. all your life exists right now.
@Manoo62 well the laws of physics does not let us travel into the past, say if we could generate a wormhole big enough to go through, it wouldnt take us to another time, it would take us to another universe. and going at near the speed of light using a blackhole is possible to go into the future but its risky because the time traveller is near a fucking black hole.
@Astrobob2468 And all this dribble is based on what astrophysical knowledge?....Hawkings suit is probably older than you and slightly more intelligent.
@Manoo62 look all im saying is, is that at the moment there is no possible way of time travel and whatever the technology we cannot repeat what has already happened
@Manoo62 look all im saying is, is that at the moment there is no possible way of time travel and whatever the technology we cannot repeat what has already happened but to go to the future could be possible if we had the technology
@Astrobob2468 There are several different methods of travelling to the past suggested by world class physicists that satisfy Einsteins equasions. However they are not achievable with todays technology, so time travel is possible but not practicle.
Also time travel doesnt involve repeating anything, you go back to the original events.
@Manoo62 but you cannot go back to origanal events, its like this; imagine if u tried to go back to the time of the titanic. but thats the thing, the titanic cannot set sail again and the people cannot be alive again, because they are dead and the titanic has sunk, there is no possible way for it to happen again. and yes there are lots of different theorys and yes they are probably all possible but there not, you cannot recreate something thats already happened
@Manoo62 well actually, all that means is i cant be bothered to explain that time travelling into the past is not possible, so i accidently made an error that you pointed out.
mate, you cant go into the past, the events have already happened and history cannot happen again just face the facts.
@Astrobob2468 The scientific community says there is nothing in current physics that will prevent time travel and as I have said there are several different methods of travelling to the past suggested by world class physicists that satisfy Einsteins equasions. So obviously you are quite wrong, I suggest you pay more attention at school in the future.
@Manoo62 time travelling into the past is not possible, because events cannot happen again, whatever the technology it is. the titanic cannot be unsunk the people cannot be alive again and the time cannot take place again
and fuck off im not stevan hawkings and neither are you, were both just people behind a computer screen and i if you havent realized this is all guesswork im saying, but its defonitly a possibility
I theorize that you can't change your past because even if you decide to go back 5 years from now and go back 10 years before now to change something the repercussions felt by that alteration happened before the present, 10 yrs ago not 5 yrs from now. so changing the past is impossible because it has already past and what you witness in the present is actually the effect of what you did or failed to do . it's also impossible to run into yourself if you haven't yet.
@Nixom1334 If you can travel back in time then you can change events. History may have been changed in this way several time and you would have no knowledge of it. Your view of time travel is naive to say the least.
@Manoo62 if you go back to the past you are changing the past before now not at the time you decide to go back. if you go back in 2012 to 1947, the event was changed in 1947, not 2012 so the timeline as it lies has already suffered all the alterations it will get. you're looking at time in a linear fashion but if time travel to the past and future is possible then we have to see time as an all present timeline. time existing in entirety and you existing in your perceived present.
@Manoo62 if the past is destroyed after it happens and only the future exists then time travel is impossible anyways. unless we can figure out a way to re create it as we move along it. like building the railroad as we move on it, putting one new piece before we go on it. it also means that the future can't be set and even if you could go to the future there will be constant fluctuations in it's reality. the way we can travel on it is if it's a set line and all we do is move along it.
@Nixom1334 The past is not destroyed but then again it doesnt exist either and the future is no different. I think you need to re-address your concept of time travel, nothing is re-created or destroyed. The future is not fixed but its no more fluctuating than the present, time travel should not bend any of the current laws of physics.
@Manoo62 it's not necessarily destroyed but it doesn't exist anymore. time can either be ever moving, meaning that the present is the only thing that can ever exist, so time travel is impossible anyways. or time can be ever present and we ourselves move through it. if you watch the video from 1:30 - 3: 50, that's what I'm talking about
@Nixom1334 The mistake in the video is believing that a change in history HASNT taken place otherwise we would know about it, which is ridiculous. Only the time traveller would be aware of any change that his action brought about. The whole point of going back in time to change an event means that history would be different on the travellers return but only he would know. In this case no one would have heard of H G Wells when he got back.
@Manoo62 no one is saying that "changes" can't happen, only that those changes happened in our past. therefore new changes can't be made. like in the video, that dude going back and trying to change the past is what caused the past to happen as it was in the first place. so time has already taken into account the "changes".
@Nixom1334 Let me give you an example. let's say i go back in time to save Abe lincoln. we can either assume I failed or that my presence in the past is what caused the events as we know them to have happened. even if it's not in the history books our presence happened and made it so that time is as we experience it. time could be an infinite loop in which the future is connected to the past.
@Nixom1334 That is completely contradictory. If you can go back in time then events can be changed. Saying you mearly fulfill your part in history as we know it means that everything would have to be predetermined and you have no free will. You are simply twisting the facts to try and fit events, it doesnt work. You always have free will, events are not predetermined and they are not fixed. History may have been changed several times and we would never know, only the last version forms history.
@Manoo62 this is going to sound weird but that's time paradoxes for you: what if the present and and future are also your past? meaning that time loops into infinity. you have the freewill to get up and get a glass of water, but in a minute that moment of choice only becomes fact. in the future you can't go back and say I change my mind and try to change what I did 2 mins ago. if time is set and time loops then it's not that the timeline determines your actions is that the timeline is...
@Nixom1334 already altered to your Choices. you chose to drink that water if it has any effects on the past or future the effects had been suffered for infinity before and infinity forward.
@Nixom1334 There are no paradoxes created by time travel only poor logic. There are also no loop created by time travel because that would be predetermination.
@Manoo62 time travel does nothing but create paradoxes. if you can travel in time it's not impossible to create loops. if you go back in time the effects create your present which will cause you to, in the future, to go back to in time, those effects create this present which will cause you to, in the future, to go back in time, those effects create this present which will cause you to, in the future, to go back in time, those effects create this present which will cause you to...
@Nixom1334 Time travel does not create any paradoxes poor logic does. You are back to predetermination which contradicts free will again and is plainly ridiculous. I suggest you google 'escher's staircase' for a visual example of what you are suggesting and why it can never be real.
@Manoo62 you're not understanding, you made your choices in the past in the present you can't change them once they have occurred. it's still free-will.
@Nixom1334 It always boils down to the same thing 'can you change the past' and if you can travel to the past you can change it. If you did, you also have the option to go back again and stop yourself from making the first change so nothing is fixed and there are no causality loops created which mean no paradoxes either.
@Manoo62 look at it like this, with your argument you an't go in the future because every choice changes it. that means if you go to the future it will be constantly fluctuating. making it pointless to go to the future.
@Nixom1334 Not really, if I travel to the future and observe then return home and do nothing, I could return the next day and see exactly the same events repeated. However if the events I saw in the future change the way I act or I deliberately use the information from the future for some advantage then the future would no longer be valid. It is the same as going back in time and changing something in the past clearly it will change everything from that point on.
@Manoo62 but how is that future determined? the idea that there's a definite future but you can change it serves well for a sci-fi movie but it can't be stable and then change it's physics simply because you want to change something. like I said if you travel to the future in a timeline that fluctuates with choice every choice will constantly change it. and it will keep changing and fluctuating until it becomes present and then past
@Nixom1334 The future is determined by the free will choices of everyone but will always play out the same unless something disturbs the balance i.e with information from the future.
@Manoo62 I'm not denying freewill but as my point was with the whole past thing, it will be free will before. you're very actions could be the very thing that caused the future I was trying to stop.
@Nixom1334 You are putting cause before effect! If I 'intend' to travel to the future and steal the lottery numbers, the future I go to will be before I win the lottery because winning the lottery is still in MY future. when I return I use the info to win the lottry which is a change to my original future and so if I then travel to the future again it will have change by the effect that my win has had. Cause ALWAYS happens before effect in with time travel but only the traveller will see that.
@Manoo62 then the numbers would have been yours from the start since you would go to the future, because you hadn't won the lottery yet anyhow in the future you went, the timeline could have very well been set for you to go to the future and get it, the question to ask here is; is the present a shared state or can the present only be individually perceived.
@Nixom1334 Bear in mind that any change that you make in history, deliberate or accidental may have an imperceivably small effect on the history we now know or it may have a massive and disastrous effect. If it were accidental and the change wiped out everything you knew in your own time there may be no way to reverse the change as you would not know what caused it!!
Future travellers would know this and would never interact with the past, hence no sign of future travellers today.
@Manoo62 that dramatic alteration would cause a paradox, which you had stated is not possible. I think the fact that we lack the technology is why we don't have future travelers now. although all those weird hieroglyphs and some of the Nazca lines could be explained by time travel, I don't believe that's the case but it sure would be cool
@Manoo62 obviously you were describing the Butterfly effect, now if we know this we know that a small change could have an immense impact on the present/future. if you go back to say prehistoric time and kill a butterfly and the chain reaction is compounded as to where you don't exist anymore then you didn't go back because you never existed but you did.
@Nixom1334 Regarding the butterfly effect do you think that events in the future can harm you today?.........No they cant, so if you were in prehistoric time how could events millions of years in the future effect you such as you birth effect you?
You are putting effect before cause again and we are back to the circular thinking that has no begining or end such as Eschlers staircase. Just because you can say it doesnt make it real!
@Manoo62 Prehistoric time, last time I checked, would have been BEFORE my birth. so if I do something in prehistoric time to prevent my birth then I would not have been born thus not really being able to go back in time which I did. unless the present is not a shared state in which case dates are meaningless and the reality is that time is as you perceive it making it impossible to truly travel trough time.
@Nixom1334 If you think that doing something in the past to prevent your birth (such as shooting your grandfather) will effect you at what point do you think the result will effect you? and what do you think the result on you would be?
@Manoo62 I doubt you would just fade like in back to the future, but preventing your birth might have some complications later. even if it's something as simple as technically not being born you were still born without actually being born, in which case that's still a paradox
@Nixom1334 Correct! you dont fade away, If you shoot your grandfather and replace the history you knew with one were you are not born it will not effect you at all as you are in the past when the change takes place. The new version will have no record of you being born (which is no different to your existance in you grandfathers time). You are left over from the old history because you were not part of it when the changes occured, you were in effect outside of history i.e no paradox.
@Nixom1334 How IS being outside of history paradoxical? Travelling in time means you leave history at one point and re-join at another. By definition you are outside of history for the period of the trip.
No - it is essentially only the record/event of you birth that has been wiped out, you were born in the original version of history that has now changed but were time traveling when the change took place so you are uneffected.
@Nixom1334 If you record your favourite tracks on a cd and then decide to re-record a new set the next day you wouldnt say it was a paradox that the original tracks are no longer on the cd.
If I went back in time instead of you and shot your grandfather then you would be wiped out of history and you wouldnt exist either as you were part of the history that was lost when the new version replaced it.
@Manoo62 your analogy makes more sense if I died and someone new was born, then I wouldn't be surprised I was no longer alive. what the paradox would be if you had a song and the song was never made.
@Nixom1334 You could shot your grandfather and then decided to remain in his time period for the rest of your life. In which case nothing would happen to you so why would returning to your own time cause you any problem? Your status of not having a birth in his time period is not different to your status back in your own time....
@Nixom1334 Only the time traveler is aware of all the events and the order they happened, from his point of view there is no paradox because he knows who is parents are and when he was born. The observer in the new history would know nothing of the original events and may see a paradox but they would be wrong as there is no real contradiction in the TRUE events.
@Nixom1334 You are happy that the future can be changed, as are most people but the 'future' as WE call it depends on where it is viewed from. If Simon Wells goes back to meet H G Wells then H G would say the future can be changed and he would be just as correct as if WE say the same thing today.
If a friend of yours had a time machine and went into the future to see how your life turned out, then came back to tell you. Would you not have free will to change what you didnt like?
Close minded... If you excercise free will not to go then why do the experiment? And if the theory was correct and you ended up not going then he wouldn't say yes and u would never know . U have to do it to know if u r living the results of ur future travels to d past. Not going would b trying to deny d truth, which is typical. If u were able to time travel TO THE PAST, could be, that your future is n thier past. This ideal is d only one i've seen on here that would b able to b proven or not.
@Manoo62 What experiment can you do by not doing it??? And I said that that if you didn't go then he would not remember it and it would be inconclusive... At this point I don't know if you close minded or slow
@marzykjones As I have already pionted out, if you ASK your father if he received $200 in the past from a stranger and he says YES, at that point you have the option to not bother going back in time. You dont think your argument is fatally flawed??? How old are you 9? 10?
When you think about it, traveling to the past is pointless. Because whatever you are about to do, as you step in the machine, has technically already happened. You did it in the past. Therefore, whatever you are about to do has already happened and it obviouisly led you to exactly where you are at the moment. If your plan is to change things as you know them, then naturally you won't or should I say didn't.
nothing will happen coz u will be in some other universe . You know what , every second there are many parallel universes created based on decisions we make . SO suppose if i am driving a car on a road ,, i plan to take a right turn ,, from there on i am living in different universe ,,, but if i chose to take left turn then events will change accordingly ,,
So when a person goes back in time , who knows which universe he goes into ?
@SomeNightElf No, because you can't look to the really YOU, what you can do is looking to another person in a paralleled universe just like you, with the same experiences and the same friends/family, but that's not you because the truly you never meet the ''you from the future'' ...
@anaandrade96 Actually, you are meeting "the real you" because that person has the same DNA, the same personality, and even the same memories. EXACTLY the same. So what decides which one is the real one?
The real one have never met the ''one from the future''. I will try to explain my though...
So let's suppose that today i go to the pass and i met the ''10 years old me''. That kid is exactly like me, but in that moment she is meeting the ''actually 15 years old me''. And what happened is that i have never met the ''15 years old me'' when i was 10. So she is ''me'' in a paralleled universe, where the only difference is that the ''actually 10 years old me'' met the ''actually 15 years old me'' :)
@anaandrade96 So what you're saying is that "time-traveling 15-year-old" you is the real one because he has already lived through everything that "past-version 10-year-old" you has lived through, and "past-version 10-year-old" you is fake because he hasn't met "time-traveling 15-year-old" you, even though he should remember it. Do I have it right?
@ThoseDarnAssassins almost.lol first not ''he'' is ''she'' Second none of them is ''fake'' they just live in diferent universes.they are both real, what we are discussing is witch one is ''me''. So the ''10 year old'' that never met the ''15 year old me'' is from my universe and i never can look at her,and the ''10 year old'' that met the ''15 year old'' is from a paralleled universe, and that way there's no paradox.Search for Michio Kaku time travel, his videos are amazing ;)
@anaandrade96 Okay, I've almost got it. There is no "real" parallel universe, only a real you. But when you time travel, what happens to the world you leave behind? Obviously, the "10-year-old" you that never met the "15-year-old" you is actually you in the past, but as soon as you time travel to meet "10-year-old" you it forms an alternate reality. But what happens to that original 10-year-old after you time-travel? Is there an alternate universe where you can actually meet yourself?
@ThoseDarnAssassins Nothing change in my world and nothing happened to the ''10 year old me'', because she lives in the past of my universe and i traveled to the past from a different universe . And the answer to the last question is that there isn't a universe where u can meet ''yourself'', u can only meet ''you'' in a paralleled universe as i explained before. This is the actually answer to all time-travel's paradox: paralleled universes. And time-travel into the future works the same way...
If you went back in time to kill your grandfather nothing will prevent you from doing so, the laws of physics are the same there as here. Having done it nothing will happen to you, you wont fade away. However you have now changed history and it will play out with you missing from it! When you return to your own time no one would know who you were, you wouldnt 'exist' in your own time anymore. But then you didnt 'exist' in your grandfathers time either, nothing has changed and so no paradox!
@Manoo62 there is no paradox for another reason... probably u already know it but u didn't mention it. When u go back in time, and u meet your grandfather our whatever you wouldn't actually talk/interact with them... U will automatic be send to a paralleled universe which is exactly like your own but in that one u can time travel. So when u meet your family relative u will actually meet another person just like your relative in another universe, because your truly grandfather never meet you. :)
@anaandrade96 The parallel universe theory was dreamt up on the basis of a misunderstanding about time travel. Since time travel in a single universe doesnt in fact cause paradoxes then the theory is redundant.
IF the theory had ANY basis in reality then a future traveller would have no concern about making himself known or changing history and yet we see none.
@anaandrade96 The parallel universe theory was dreamt up on the basis of a misunderstanding about time travel. Since time travel in a single universe doesnt in fact cause paradoxes then the theory is redundant.
@Manoo62 Of course that causes paradoxes ! Like if u kill your grandfather or you meet the 10 years old you ! How can time travel in the same universe doesn't cause any paradoxes ?! Please read my discussion with ThoseDarnAssassins, i think he/she get it, i try to explain the best i could, that's all there... I'm not repeat... Also Michio Kaku explain that very well, search for him ;)
@Manoo62 confused is different of nonsense. There's no paradoxes of course! Because the time-travel is made in different universes! Sorry if u can't understand, as i say search for Michio Kaku, and listen to him, maybe you understand better...
@Manoo62 ''In the worl that we leave i can't change the past?'' Were u listen that part of the video? In a simple way, u only can kill your grandfather in another world (paralleled universe!)
@anaandrade96 There is only one universe and if you travel back in time nothing will prevent you from killing your own grandfather and nothing will happen to you. However when you return to your own time no one would know who you were because you wiped yourself out of the new version of history.
@Manoo62 So let me think in that ... This happens in just one universe... So you kill your grandfather before he have your mom/dad, you can't be born, so you can't grow up and go back in time. If you can't go back in time because you aren't born then who is the person that kill your grandfather for you never be born? Or better, if you aren't born and you never travel in time, then your grandfather must live, and have your mom/dad and you will born. So it's a paradox in one universe...
@anaandrade96 Typical cyclic nonsense that has no meaning.
Before you kill your grandfather neither your parents nor you have been born. After you kill him nothing has changed, you dont exist 'any less' do you?
@Manoo62 Sure we haven't been born, but you were suppose to be once that nothing happened to my grandfather and the history will happen ''normal'' till this point. After i kill him i just CAN'T exist but i NEED to exist to kill him, that's why it's call a paradox!
@anaandrade96 Dammit. I was playing dumb this whole time, trying to trick you into a conspiracy theory, and guess what happens? Some guy comes along and ruins it by saying something I have to correct. If he comes back, tell him "wiping out history" is the same thing as a parallel universe, as you can't erase a segment of time. His mistake is in the second sentence of the comment that begins with "There is only one universe".
I'd love to continue this conversation, but not here. Any good place?
@NFMandNFSfan NO - this is circular causality which is impossible, google 'escher staircase'
You have killed your grandfather, you return to your own time and no one would know who you were. Thats it, nothing else happens, you have changed the history that you knew and you will have to live with the changes you made i.e your a displaced person in your own time now.
@Manoo62 Sure. When you say ''When you return to your own (...) so no paradox!'' you basically set up a simple paradox. It may seem, erroneously, that nothing has changed, so there is no paradox (as you stated); but in reality, the sole fact that 1) ''you wouldnt 'exist' in your own time'', combined with 2) ''you didnt 'exist' in your grandfathers time either'' is, in tiself, a paradox.
@YaiBugy If you go back in time and kill your grandfather so that you dont technically exist in the present at what point to you think the paradox occurs? Why do you think this situation is any different to the first two examples?
@YaiBugy Unfortunately your previous answer doesnt make much sense for all the reasons I have given. So I thought I would make it easier/simpler to understand. Unfortunately you seem to think that simply travelling in time is a paradox, which is nonsense. Unless you can actually answer the question then you will never improve your understand. Blindly stating that everything is a paradox is not a coherent thought process.
@Manoo62 You see, you wouldn't have 'existed' back then to comiit the action, therefore the action wouldnt have been commited, and if the action wasnt commited, then you would exist, and if you existed back then, you would have commited the action, and so forth to infinity... That is a paradox. It is a simple logical error, yet it is very common. Hawking explains that in very easy and comprehensive terms in the Discovery (or BBC) documentary 'Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking'.
@YaiBugy This is the typical silly cyclic view of time travel were events are supposed to have no begining or end. It is rather like escher's staircase, which has no basis in reality either, its just an illusion. If you go back in time to a point before you were born then technically in that time period you dont 'exist' which isnt a paradox its just a fact. if you travelled 1000 years into the future you wouldnt exist there either, again not a paradox.
@Manoo62 Future time travel is theorethically plausible, yes; but as for time travel to the past (which was the original argument) modern physics states that time travel is, for scientific purposes, impossible. You may disagree, of course. There are favorable arguments for both sides, but I'm sticking with Hawking in this one.
@Manoo62 Actually, I feel that if you went to the past to kill your grandfather you would leave knowing that, for whatever reason, you did not succeed in your quest. This is evident by the fact that you do exist now, meaning that you grandfather lived on and you were produced. Maybe, the outcome will be him killing you in self defense and you never coming back after the day you stepped out of your time... And you wonder why granpa always gives you that strane look. You look strangely familiar.
@marzykjones The laws of physics are he same in the past as they are here. If you go into the past to kill your grandfatherthen nothing will magically stop you. So the question is still "what happens when you do kill him!" you cant just change the question because the answer is too difficult.
Also you always have free will and are not compelled to do anything, so no silly predetermination and no causality loops are created by time travel.
@Manoo62 Your missing it. I'm saying that d outcome is already obvious because you have, technically, done it already. Look at it this way. Let's say u r about to travel for the first time. For your first trip, plan to give your 8 yr old dad $200. Alright, now before you leave go n ask ur dad, "Did you ever have a stranger give you any money." If he says "Yeah, when I was 8 some guy gave me $200 and walked away" then it means you are living the results of what you are about to or "did" do.
@marzykjones If your father says yes he received the money then you have free will to NOT go back in time.....
If your father says no then you have free will to go back and give him the money.....or not bother.....
Neither of which works becauses as the time traveller such events are always in YOUR future (i.e you havent done them yet) so how could someone in the present REMEMBER your future??
you would kill yourr grandfather and as loung as you stay in the past you would live return to your own time and you woul have never been.if you travle bac you become part of that time locked in you might say.
Well, we are under the assumption that there is only one universe where time is linear. What if there are multiple such possible universes. Then the paradox is solved. The person travelling back with intention in to kill his father will seize to exist in that universe while in alternative universes, he may still be alive.
If he would go back in time to try to kill his grandfather and that became his grandfather's inspiration for his book. And he would try to disprove the paradox because of the book, than he would never been able to go back in time to try to disprove the paradox, why the book never can be written in that way.
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EXALTEDDIRT 3 weeks ago
the first half*
TrollWhut 1 month ago
this video is fucking bullshit
TrollWhut 1 month ago
@TrollWhut You mean you didnt understand it.
Manoo62 3 weeks ago
@Manoo62 actually i think you'll find that what i meant what precisely what i typed..
TrollWhut 3 weeks ago
@Manoo62 What H.G. Wells' grandson or whatever relative he is is saying with such certainty about the impossibility of being able to change the past of this reality evem given the ability to travel in time just is ridiculous and has no real basis - how can he talk with such certainty about such things? He's just talking out of his arse.
TrollWhut 3 weeks ago
@TrollWhut There is currently nothing in physics that suggests that time travel is not possible, only that its very difficult. Its not IF but WHEN it becomes possible, therefore considering its implications is reasonable. However suggesting the past cannot be changed show a funamental misunderstanding of what time travel actually is. So his concept of travelling to past events is quite wrong.
Manoo62 3 weeks ago
@Manoo62 yes exactly! that is precisely what i was getting at.
TrollWhut 3 weeks ago
My Brain imploded after watching 4 minutes.
loeparedes1 1 month ago
To allow time travel to the past, cosmic strings with a mass per unit length of about 10 million billion tons per cm moving in opposite directions at speeds of at leased 99.999999996 % of the speed of light - J. Richard Gott.
Manoo62 2 months ago
i think, we CANNOT go into OUR past because its already been done and dusted and its all happened and the people are dead and the moments have passed. therefore if we went through a wormhole (if possible, since it is hard) it wouldnt be likely that we travel into OUR past. what probably would happen is that we would go into another place in the universe, like teleportation. over all i think time travel into the past is impossible, its all happened and we cant go back and visit it again.
Astrobob2468 2 months ago
@Astrobob2468 Another reason is that we cannot move below 0 it will always be positive speed, unless we could somehow invert speed?
CitizenZon3 2 months ago
TIME TRAVEL IN THE PAST IS POSSIBLE BY GOING TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE AND NOT IN YOUR OWN WORLD LINE. THERE ARE MANY TIME TRAVELER STORIES SUCH AS JOHN TITOR WHO SAID PARALLEL UNIVERSE EXIST AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF YOU IN THE UNIVERSE WITH DIFFERENT OUTCOME AND THAT ALIENS AND UFO'S ARE REALLY TIME TRAVELERS AND HUMAN NOT GREEN SHORT PEOPLE
superwrestlingnation 2 months ago
I partially disagree about not going to the past. While one cannot go back to the real past, one can indeed see it. All events are recorded, therefore it is like playing a record backwards.
xxyc21 2 months ago
In theory, time travel to YOUR future is impossible. On the other hand, If you did travel forward, you would be in the future (past by technicalitie) of another universe, where their past differs from yours, thus a differing future. The past however, is a different story. I personally believe that you can create a paradox, and change the future. Although if you go back and kill yourself, after you die you would be brought back to the moment right before you went back, because If you die, you ne
cbrulz1 2 months ago
@Runedragon87 exactly, cause the future hasnt happened yet
Astrobob2468 3 months ago
So basically you are saying you know better than all of the worlds physicists! Non of whom have a problem with time travel in principal....wow you really are dim.
As I have said, you clearly have no comprehension of what time travel actually means, I recommend a dictionary...oh and an education.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 are you actually stupid? im not saying i know better than all of the worlds physicists, besides its not about knowing Better its about what possible and whats not and time travel is not possible. for about the 4th time, time and events cannot happen again, what ever those physicists say its complete and utter rubish, you cannot travel back into, lets say, yesterday because its already done and gone.
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 So you ARE saying you know better than all of the worlds best physicists!!!! Wow your arrogance is surpassed only by your stupidity. Maybe one day in the far future you will realise just how unbelievably dumb you are....maybe.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 are you stuck in your childhood? and if you are a child its understandable but if your as old as i am then seriously grow up, time travel isnt possible, you cannot see people alive again from the medeival times, you cannot go back to the time before 9/11 and you cannot eat an apple then go into the past 2 minites before and eat it again because YOU HAVE ALREADY ATEN IT, ARE YOU DUMB
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 I think you have proved several times how dumb you are and confirmed that you are alone in your childish views of time travel. It is clearly a subject you should leave to adults as you are digging a hole of stupidity now for all to see.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 well exuse me, but how is your time travel formula comign along? please explain how to time travel into the past, i would love to know?
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Manoo62 oh and do tell me how to see 9/11 occur once more with a time machine. i would like to know how a building which collapsed clearly to the ground in 2001 could happen again with such technology
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 !?!?!?! Assuming you had your time machine, you dial up the morning of 11th Sep 2001 press go and then step out in 2001. Hang about a bit and see events unfold, simple.....in principal. Surely even a child would get that?
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 ah yes a child would get that, but i simply did ask HOW do you time travel into the past. you cant just step out into another year, where the same things happen because they have already happened, the twin towers are already demolished and cannot happen again. tell me what you need to travel into the past
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 Since you dont understand the simplest concepts of time travel I dont see how you would ever understand how it may be achieved.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 we as people cannot back to when something has happened already, we live in the moment and cannot change that.
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 Thats exactly what a time machine would allow you to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Manoo62 3 months ago
@Manoo62 i know what a freakin time machine wold allow us to do, but time travel cannot exist so its impossible. as i said we live in the moment and cannot change that
Astrobob2468 3 months ago
@Astrobob2468 Well I think you win the prize for the dumbest person on youtube for that comment.
Manoo62 3 months ago
@Manoo62 do you know that people made up time to know when events are, like when night is night, and when day is day, they invented a clock to know when things are.
so technically time isnt real, so time travel couldnt be possible, because earth carrys on spinning and spinning on its axes and orbiting the sun, the moon carrys on orbiting the earth and we cant go back to another event in time on our time line.
but either way we could not go back in time if we wanted to, because its happened
Astrobob2468 3 months ago
@Astrobob2468 I think its pretty obvious that TIME has been around since the big bang, oh a few billion years or so, making time very real.
As previously mentioned you seem to think you know better than all of the worlds best physicists, what do you think that makes you????
Manoo62 3 months ago
@Manoo62 give me a possible way to travel into the past, how is it possible???
Astrobob2468 3 months ago
@Manoo62 and just because theyre the worlds nest physicists doesnt mean they know absolutely everything about time travel, they are still a human chum like you and i. just because they hold the title of one of the worlds best physicists doesnt mean they know a real working theory to go back in time, it just means theyre very smart at physics. and if i was a physicist i would hate to be pointed out by some youtuber who thinks time travel exists, when really its not possible,coz times continuous.
Astrobob2468 3 months ago
@Manoo62 look, just because these physicists around the world are considered the best, does not mean they know the answer to every single theory for time travel, yes of course they are open of the best and yes they are very smart in the realms of physics. it doesn't mean that they know how to time travel, and if i may ask, what is still making you believe time travel is possible? why do you think it could be possible? because in reality, its really not.
Astrobob2468 3 months ago
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@Manoo62 are you stuck in your childhood? and if you are a child its understandable but if your as old as i am then seriously grow up, time travel isnt possible, you cannot see people alive again from the medeival times, you cannot go back to the time before 9/11 and you cannot eat an apple then go into the past 2 minites before and eat it again because YOU HAVE ALREADY EATAN IT, ARE YOU DUMB
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
I guess everyone's hear the latest breakthrough as of a few days ago saying time travel may be possible at least at a subatomic level.
I wonder if something I've stumbled across could open new doors in scientific research. If you follow my link to see my first upload "Witness a Miracle" you'll see what I'm talking about. The first few moments after it comes into focus are key to watch, and it easier to see full screen. I swear this footage is genuine. p.s I'm not selling anything.
veracityfilms 4 months ago
@BiHGrandMaster .....As I said total dribble.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@BiHGrandMaster Total Dribble.
Manoo62 4 months ago
These people are vague & far fetch. It's irrational to travel back in time when it comes to Holly Wood perception or acceptance in this realm. But it's rational to travel back in time and watch things unfold just like a movie, without interfering. Like a movie without actress, a play without a writer. Hey! I think i'm on to something lol
7Know7Thy7Enemy7 4 months ago
parallel universes
20symo09 4 months ago
time travel into the future is possible but when you travelled into the future you would be taken out of history and say if you went 2 years into the future people would think ou were missing for two years but for you (if you could reach near the speed of light) it would only be about a short period of time.
time travelling into the past is impossible, it is not popssible to re-do time,people or places.
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 haha so how do u kno time travel is possible? did u time travel? lol. nd u dont "re-do" time, time is always there. you exist as a kid right now. you also exist as an old man. all your life exists right now.
sj408alex 4 months ago
@sj408alex i know that life exsists any idiot knows that lol, but you cant make it all happen again its just not possible
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 Your an idiot stop posting crap.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 i aint posting crap, what i say is true
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 Perhaps you could tell us what laws of physics prevents time travel to the past?
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 well the laws of physics does not let us travel into the past, say if we could generate a wormhole big enough to go through, it wouldnt take us to another time, it would take us to another universe. and going at near the speed of light using a blackhole is possible to go into the future but its risky because the time traveller is near a fucking black hole.
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 And all this dribble is based on what astrophysical knowledge?....Hawkings suit is probably older than you and slightly more intelligent.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 look all im saying is, is that at the moment there is no possible way of time travel and whatever the technology we cannot repeat what has already happened
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Manoo62 look all im saying is, is that at the moment there is no possible way of time travel and whatever the technology we cannot repeat what has already happened but to go to the future could be possible if we had the technology
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 There are several different methods of travelling to the past suggested by world class physicists that satisfy Einsteins equasions. However they are not achievable with todays technology, so time travel is possible but not practicle.
Also time travel doesnt involve repeating anything, you go back to the original events.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 but you cannot go back to origanal events, its like this; imagine if u tried to go back to the time of the titanic. but thats the thing, the titanic cannot set sail again and the people cannot be alive again, because they are dead and the titanic has sunk, there is no possible way for it to happen again. and yes there are lots of different theorys and yes they are probably all possible but there not, you cannot recreate something thats already happened
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
@Astrobob2468 "yes they are probably all possible but there not" I think that kind of sums it up.
You clearly have no comprehension of what time travel means.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Manoo62 well actually, all that means is i cant be bothered to explain that time travelling into the past is not possible, so i accidently made an error that you pointed out.
mate, you cant go into the past, the events have already happened and history cannot happen again just face the facts.
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
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@Astrobob2468 The scientific community says there is nothing in current physics that will prevent time travel and as I have said there are several different methods of travelling to the past suggested by world class physicists that satisfy Einsteins equasions. So obviously you are quite wrong, I suggest you pay more attention at school in the future.
Manoo62 4 months ago
do you even know any of his time travel equations?
Astrobob2468 2 months ago
@Manoo62 time travelling into the past is not possible, because events cannot happen again, whatever the technology it is. the titanic cannot be unsunk the people cannot be alive again and the time cannot take place again
its as simple as that,
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
and fuck off im not stevan hawkings and neither are you, were both just people behind a computer screen and i if you havent realized this is all guesswork im saying, but its defonitly a possibility
Astrobob2468 4 months ago
You'd go to the past and end up in a parallel universe? That's bs! Depends on the time machine.
F1NJP 5 months ago
I theorize that you can't change your past because even if you decide to go back 5 years from now and go back 10 years before now to change something the repercussions felt by that alteration happened before the present, 10 yrs ago not 5 yrs from now. so changing the past is impossible because it has already past and what you witness in the present is actually the effect of what you did or failed to do . it's also impossible to run into yourself if you haven't yet.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 If you can travel back in time then you can change events. History may have been changed in this way several time and you would have no knowledge of it. Your view of time travel is naive to say the least.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 if you go back to the past you are changing the past before now not at the time you decide to go back. if you go back in 2012 to 1947, the event was changed in 1947, not 2012 so the timeline as it lies has already suffered all the alterations it will get. you're looking at time in a linear fashion but if time travel to the past and future is possible then we have to see time as an all present timeline. time existing in entirety and you existing in your perceived present.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Thats a very odd way of saying that you would never be aware of any future changes to history, which is basically what I said.
However the only time that 'exists' is the present, its also not perceived as its the only thing that is real.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 if the past is destroyed after it happens and only the future exists then time travel is impossible anyways. unless we can figure out a way to re create it as we move along it. like building the railroad as we move on it, putting one new piece before we go on it. it also means that the future can't be set and even if you could go to the future there will be constant fluctuations in it's reality. the way we can travel on it is if it's a set line and all we do is move along it.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 The past is not destroyed but then again it doesnt exist either and the future is no different. I think you need to re-address your concept of time travel, nothing is re-created or destroyed. The future is not fixed but its no more fluctuating than the present, time travel should not bend any of the current laws of physics.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 it's not necessarily destroyed but it doesn't exist anymore. time can either be ever moving, meaning that the present is the only thing that can ever exist, so time travel is impossible anyways. or time can be ever present and we ourselves move through it. if you watch the video from 1:30 - 3: 50, that's what I'm talking about
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 The mistake in the video is believing that a change in history HASNT taken place otherwise we would know about it, which is ridiculous. Only the time traveller would be aware of any change that his action brought about. The whole point of going back in time to change an event means that history would be different on the travellers return but only he would know. In this case no one would have heard of H G Wells when he got back.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 no one is saying that "changes" can't happen, only that those changes happened in our past. therefore new changes can't be made. like in the video, that dude going back and trying to change the past is what caused the past to happen as it was in the first place. so time has already taken into account the "changes".
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Let me give you an example. let's say i go back in time to save Abe lincoln. we can either assume I failed or that my presence in the past is what caused the events as we know them to have happened. even if it's not in the history books our presence happened and made it so that time is as we experience it. time could be an infinite loop in which the future is connected to the past.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 That is completely contradictory. If you can go back in time then events can be changed. Saying you mearly fulfill your part in history as we know it means that everything would have to be predetermined and you have no free will. You are simply twisting the facts to try and fit events, it doesnt work. You always have free will, events are not predetermined and they are not fixed. History may have been changed several times and we would never know, only the last version forms history.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 this is going to sound weird but that's time paradoxes for you: what if the present and and future are also your past? meaning that time loops into infinity. you have the freewill to get up and get a glass of water, but in a minute that moment of choice only becomes fact. in the future you can't go back and say I change my mind and try to change what I did 2 mins ago. if time is set and time loops then it's not that the timeline determines your actions is that the timeline is...
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 already altered to your Choices. you chose to drink that water if it has any effects on the past or future the effects had been suffered for infinity before and infinity forward.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 There are no paradoxes created by time travel only poor logic. There are also no loop created by time travel because that would be predetermination.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 time travel does nothing but create paradoxes. if you can travel in time it's not impossible to create loops. if you go back in time the effects create your present which will cause you to, in the future, to go back to in time, those effects create this present which will cause you to, in the future, to go back in time, those effects create this present which will cause you to, in the future, to go back in time, those effects create this present which will cause you to...
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Time travel does not create any paradoxes poor logic does. You are back to predetermination which contradicts free will again and is plainly ridiculous. I suggest you google 'escher's staircase' for a visual example of what you are suggesting and why it can never be real.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 you're not understanding, you made your choices in the past in the present you can't change them once they have occurred. it's still free-will.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 It always boils down to the same thing 'can you change the past' and if you can travel to the past you can change it. If you did, you also have the option to go back again and stop yourself from making the first change so nothing is fixed and there are no causality loops created which mean no paradoxes either.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 look at it like this, with your argument you an't go in the future because every choice changes it. that means if you go to the future it will be constantly fluctuating. making it pointless to go to the future.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Not really, if I travel to the future and observe then return home and do nothing, I could return the next day and see exactly the same events repeated. However if the events I saw in the future change the way I act or I deliberately use the information from the future for some advantage then the future would no longer be valid. It is the same as going back in time and changing something in the past clearly it will change everything from that point on.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 but how is that future determined? the idea that there's a definite future but you can change it serves well for a sci-fi movie but it can't be stable and then change it's physics simply because you want to change something. like I said if you travel to the future in a timeline that fluctuates with choice every choice will constantly change it. and it will keep changing and fluctuating until it becomes present and then past
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 The future is determined by the free will choices of everyone but will always play out the same unless something disturbs the balance i.e with information from the future.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 I'm not denying freewill but as my point was with the whole past thing, it will be free will before. you're very actions could be the very thing that caused the future I was trying to stop.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 You are putting cause before effect! If I 'intend' to travel to the future and steal the lottery numbers, the future I go to will be before I win the lottery because winning the lottery is still in MY future. when I return I use the info to win the lottry which is a change to my original future and so if I then travel to the future again it will have change by the effect that my win has had. Cause ALWAYS happens before effect in with time travel but only the traveller will see that.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 then the numbers would have been yours from the start since you would go to the future, because you hadn't won the lottery yet anyhow in the future you went, the timeline could have very well been set for you to go to the future and get it, the question to ask here is; is the present a shared state or can the present only be individually perceived.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Bear in mind that any change that you make in history, deliberate or accidental may have an imperceivably small effect on the history we now know or it may have a massive and disastrous effect. If it were accidental and the change wiped out everything you knew in your own time there may be no way to reverse the change as you would not know what caused it!!
Future travellers would know this and would never interact with the past, hence no sign of future travellers today.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 that dramatic alteration would cause a paradox, which you had stated is not possible. I think the fact that we lack the technology is why we don't have future travelers now. although all those weird hieroglyphs and some of the Nazca lines could be explained by time travel, I don't believe that's the case but it sure would be cool
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Pleased define the paradox!
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 obviously you were describing the Butterfly effect, now if we know this we know that a small change could have an immense impact on the present/future. if you go back to say prehistoric time and kill a butterfly and the chain reaction is compounded as to where you don't exist anymore then you didn't go back because you never existed but you did.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Regarding the butterfly effect do you think that events in the future can harm you today?.........No they cant, so if you were in prehistoric time how could events millions of years in the future effect you such as you birth effect you?
You are putting effect before cause again and we are back to the circular thinking that has no begining or end such as Eschlers staircase. Just because you can say it doesnt make it real!
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 Prehistoric time, last time I checked, would have been BEFORE my birth. so if I do something in prehistoric time to prevent my birth then I would not have been born thus not really being able to go back in time which I did. unless the present is not a shared state in which case dates are meaningless and the reality is that time is as you perceive it making it impossible to truly travel trough time.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 If you think that doing something in the past to prevent your birth (such as shooting your grandfather) will effect you at what point do you think the result will effect you? and what do you think the result on you would be?
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 I doubt you would just fade like in back to the future, but preventing your birth might have some complications later. even if it's something as simple as technically not being born you were still born without actually being born, in which case that's still a paradox
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Correct! you dont fade away, If you shoot your grandfather and replace the history you knew with one were you are not born it will not effect you at all as you are in the past when the change takes place. The new version will have no record of you being born (which is no different to your existance in you grandfathers time). You are left over from the old history because you were not part of it when the changes occured, you were in effect outside of history i.e no paradox.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 how is being outside of history not paradoxical? it's not that we just can't find your records, you plain out were never born. but you were
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 How IS being outside of history paradoxical? Travelling in time means you leave history at one point and re-join at another. By definition you are outside of history for the period of the trip.
No - it is essentially only the record/event of you birth that has been wiped out, you were born in the original version of history that has now changed but were time traveling when the change took place so you are uneffected.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 If you record your favourite tracks on a cd and then decide to re-record a new set the next day you wouldnt say it was a paradox that the original tracks are no longer on the cd.
If I went back in time instead of you and shot your grandfather then you would be wiped out of history and you wouldnt exist either as you were part of the history that was lost when the new version replaced it.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 your analogy makes more sense if I died and someone new was born, then I wouldn't be surprised I was no longer alive. what the paradox would be if you had a song and the song was never made.
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 If you kill your grandfather at leased one of your parents wouldnt be born so a whole branch of your family tree has gone.
Correct but the song was made, which is the same as you being born before the change in history was made, neither is a paradox.
Manoo62 4 months ago
@Nixom1334 You could shot your grandfather and then decided to remain in his time period for the rest of your life. In which case nothing would happen to you so why would returning to your own time cause you any problem? Your status of not having a birth in his time period is not different to your status back in your own time....
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 exactly it's still the same. your birth never happened but you're alive. the paradox doesn't need to be manifested in a drastic physical way
Nixom1334 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 Only the time traveler is aware of all the events and the order they happened, from his point of view there is no paradox because he knows who is parents are and when he was born. The observer in the new history would know nothing of the original events and may see a paradox but they would be wrong as there is no real contradiction in the TRUE events.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Nixom1334 You are happy that the future can be changed, as are most people but the 'future' as WE call it depends on where it is viewed from. If Simon Wells goes back to meet H G Wells then H G would say the future can be changed and he would be just as correct as if WE say the same thing today.
If a friend of yours had a time machine and went into the future to see how your life turned out, then came back to tell you. Would you not have free will to change what you didnt like?
Manoo62 5 months ago
Close minded... If you excercise free will not to go then why do the experiment? And if the theory was correct and you ended up not going then he wouldn't say yes and u would never know . U have to do it to know if u r living the results of ur future travels to d past. Not going would b trying to deny d truth, which is typical. If u were able to time travel TO THE PAST, could be, that your future is n thier past. This ideal is d only one i've seen on here that would b able to b proven or not.
marzykjones 5 months ago
@marzykjones So your experiment only works if you DONT excercise free will! yeh that sounds realistic, epic fail.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 What experiment can you do by not doing it??? And I said that that if you didn't go then he would not remember it and it would be inconclusive... At this point I don't know if you close minded or slow
marzykjones 5 months ago
@marzykjones As I have already pionted out, if you ASK your father if he received $200 in the past from a stranger and he says YES, at that point you have the option to not bother going back in time. You dont think your argument is fatally flawed??? How old are you 9? 10?
Manoo62 5 months ago
When you think about it, traveling to the past is pointless. Because whatever you are about to do, as you step in the machine, has technically already happened. You did it in the past. Therefore, whatever you are about to do has already happened and it obviouisly led you to exactly where you are at the moment. If your plan is to change things as you know them, then naturally you won't or should I say didn't.
marzykjones 5 months ago
nothing will happen coz u will be in some other universe . You know what , every second there are many parallel universes created based on decisions we make . SO suppose if i am driving a car on a road ,, i plan to take a right turn ,, from there on i am living in different universe ,,, but if i chose to take left turn then events will change accordingly ,,
So when a person goes back in time , who knows which universe he goes into ?
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ajazaad 5 months ago
how many paradoxes dou think there are? probbably alot
alicenchains59 5 months ago
@alicenchains59 None.
Manoo62 5 months ago
woow that last part there is some deeeep shit!
napalm9 6 months ago
What if time machine exist, terrorist starts to travel back in time and invade the country? =(
zionpurrfectionist 6 months ago
If you were to go back in time and look yourself in the eyes, wouldn't that make you live forever? Think about it.
SomeNightElf 6 months ago
@SomeNightElf No, because you can't look to the really YOU, what you can do is looking to another person in a paralleled universe just like you, with the same experiences and the same friends/family, but that's not you because the truly you never meet the ''you from the future'' ...
Sorry for bad English if i made any mistakes...
Hope i helped :)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 Actually, you are meeting "the real you" because that person has the same DNA, the same personality, and even the same memories. EXACTLY the same. So what decides which one is the real one?
ThoseDarnAssassins 6 months ago
The real one have never met the ''one from the future''. I will try to explain my though...
So let's suppose that today i go to the pass and i met the ''10 years old me''. That kid is exactly like me, but in that moment she is meeting the ''actually 15 years old me''. And what happened is that i have never met the ''15 years old me'' when i was 10. So she is ''me'' in a paralleled universe, where the only difference is that the ''actually 10 years old me'' met the ''actually 15 years old me'' :)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 So what you're saying is that "time-traveling 15-year-old" you is the real one because he has already lived through everything that "past-version 10-year-old" you has lived through, and "past-version 10-year-old" you is fake because he hasn't met "time-traveling 15-year-old" you, even though he should remember it. Do I have it right?
ThoseDarnAssassins 6 months ago
@ThoseDarnAssassins almost.lol first not ''he'' is ''she'' Second none of them is ''fake'' they just live in diferent universes.they are both real, what we are discussing is witch one is ''me''. So the ''10 year old'' that never met the ''15 year old me'' is from my universe and i never can look at her,and the ''10 year old'' that met the ''15 year old'' is from a paralleled universe, and that way there's no paradox.Search for Michio Kaku time travel, his videos are amazing ;)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 Okay, I've almost got it. There is no "real" parallel universe, only a real you. But when you time travel, what happens to the world you leave behind? Obviously, the "10-year-old" you that never met the "15-year-old" you is actually you in the past, but as soon as you time travel to meet "10-year-old" you it forms an alternate reality. But what happens to that original 10-year-old after you time-travel? Is there an alternate universe where you can actually meet yourself?
ThoseDarnAssassins 6 months ago
@ThoseDarnAssassins Nothing change in my world and nothing happened to the ''10 year old me'', because she lives in the past of my universe and i traveled to the past from a different universe . And the answer to the last question is that there isn't a universe where u can meet ''yourself'', u can only meet ''you'' in a paralleled universe as i explained before. This is the actually answer to all time-travel's paradox: paralleled universes. And time-travel into the future works the same way...
anaandrade96 6 months ago
If you went back in time to kill your grandfather nothing will prevent you from doing so, the laws of physics are the same there as here. Having done it nothing will happen to you, you wont fade away. However you have now changed history and it will play out with you missing from it! When you return to your own time no one would know who you were, you wouldnt 'exist' in your own time anymore. But then you didnt 'exist' in your grandfathers time either, nothing has changed and so no paradox!
Manoo62 6 months ago 27
@Manoo62 there is no paradox for another reason... probably u already know it but u didn't mention it. When u go back in time, and u meet your grandfather our whatever you wouldn't actually talk/interact with them... U will automatic be send to a paralleled universe which is exactly like your own but in that one u can time travel. So when u meet your family relative u will actually meet another person just like your relative in another universe, because your truly grandfather never meet you. :)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
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@anaandrade96 The parallel universe theory was dreamt up on the basis of a misunderstanding about time travel. Since time travel in a single universe doesnt in fact cause paradoxes then the theory is redundant.
IF the theory had ANY basis in reality then a future traveller would have no concern about making himself known or changing history and yet we see none.
Manoo62 6 months ago 10
@Manoo62 Now thats a good fuckin question
NathanFitchett 6 months ago
@Manoo62 Actually that doesn't work like that... if u want, see my discussion with ThoseDarnAssassins so i won't repeat all again.... ;)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 The parallel universe theory was dreamt up on the basis of a misunderstanding about time travel. Since time travel in a single universe doesnt in fact cause paradoxes then the theory is redundant.
Manoo62 6 months ago
@Manoo62 Of course that causes paradoxes ! Like if u kill your grandfather or you meet the 10 years old you ! How can time travel in the same universe doesn't cause any paradoxes ?! Please read my discussion with ThoseDarnAssassins, i think he/she get it, i try to explain the best i could, that's all there... I'm not repeat... Also Michio Kaku explain that very well, search for him ;)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 See above.
No paradoxes just poor understanding.
Your previous posts are confused nonsense.
Manoo62 6 months ago
@Manoo62 confused is different of nonsense. There's no paradoxes of course! Because the time-travel is made in different universes! Sorry if u can't understand, as i say search for Michio Kaku, and listen to him, maybe you understand better...
Someone need to study more ;)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@Manoo62 ''In the worl that we leave i can't change the past?'' Were u listen that part of the video? In a simple way, u only can kill your grandfather in another world (paralleled universe!)
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 There is only one universe and if you travel back in time nothing will prevent you from killing your own grandfather and nothing will happen to you. However when you return to your own time no one would know who you were because you wiped yourself out of the new version of history.
Manoo62 6 months ago
@Manoo62 So let me think in that ... This happens in just one universe... So you kill your grandfather before he have your mom/dad, you can't be born, so you can't grow up and go back in time. If you can't go back in time because you aren't born then who is the person that kill your grandfather for you never be born? Or better, if you aren't born and you never travel in time, then your grandfather must live, and have your mom/dad and you will born. So it's a paradox in one universe...
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 Typical cyclic nonsense that has no meaning.
Before you kill your grandfather neither your parents nor you have been born. After you kill him nothing has changed, you dont exist 'any less' do you?
Manoo62 6 months ago
@Manoo62 Sure we haven't been born, but you were suppose to be once that nothing happened to my grandfather and the history will happen ''normal'' till this point. After i kill him i just CAN'T exist but i NEED to exist to kill him, that's why it's call a paradox!
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 Your an idiot stop posting crap, go and take your medication.
Manoo62 6 months ago
@Manoo62 Ok, really mature of your part ... --' I won't upset you again... Good Night
anaandrade96 6 months ago
@anaandrade96 Dammit. I was playing dumb this whole time, trying to trick you into a conspiracy theory, and guess what happens? Some guy comes along and ruins it by saying something I have to correct. If he comes back, tell him "wiping out history" is the same thing as a parallel universe, as you can't erase a segment of time. His mistake is in the second sentence of the comment that begins with "There is only one universe".
I'd love to continue this conversation, but not here. Any good place?
ThoseDarnAssassins 6 months ago
@Manoo62 meaning you didnt kill ur grandfather so u existed and u killed him meaning...and so on,and so on infinitely
NFMandNFSfan 6 months ago
@NFMandNFSfan NO - this is circular causality which is impossible, google 'escher staircase'
You have killed your grandfather, you return to your own time and no one would know who you were. Thats it, nothing else happens, you have changed the history that you knew and you will have to live with the changes you made i.e your a displaced person in your own time now.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 That's the dumbest thing that I've ever read, no offense meant. That's exactly the definition of paradox.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy I think you are struggling with the definition of a paradox.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 I don't think so.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy Your comment means you clearly dont understand what a paradox is, QED.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 I can say the same, QED.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy Actually you havent said anything yet, perhaps you should state the paradox you think exists?
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 Sure. When you say ''When you return to your own (...) so no paradox!'' you basically set up a simple paradox. It may seem, erroneously, that nothing has changed, so there is no paradox (as you stated); but in reality, the sole fact that 1) ''you wouldnt 'exist' in your own time'', combined with 2) ''you didnt 'exist' in your grandfathers time either'' is, in tiself, a paradox.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy If you go back in time and kill your grandfather so that you dont technically exist in the present at what point to you think the paradox occurs? Why do you think this situation is any different to the first two examples?
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 Read again my comment. Your answer is there, I assure you. Otherwise, watch the documentary I pointed out.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy Unfortunately your previous answer doesnt make much sense for all the reasons I have given. So I thought I would make it easier/simpler to understand. Unfortunately you seem to think that simply travelling in time is a paradox, which is nonsense. Unless you can actually answer the question then you will never improve your understand. Blindly stating that everything is a paradox is not a coherent thought process.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 Fine, then. I'm not going to argue with someone that lacks complete grasp of semantics, physics and philosophy altogether.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy That sounds like cant rather than wont.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@YaiBugy Well, I provided arguments, which you failed to assimilate. So yes, this is a ''can't'', but from your part.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy Always better to keep quiet and look an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 True. So, shush.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@Manoo62 You see, you wouldn't have 'existed' back then to comiit the action, therefore the action wouldnt have been commited, and if the action wasnt commited, then you would exist, and if you existed back then, you would have commited the action, and so forth to infinity... That is a paradox. It is a simple logical error, yet it is very common. Hawking explains that in very easy and comprehensive terms in the Discovery (or BBC) documentary 'Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking'.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@YaiBugy This is the typical silly cyclic view of time travel were events are supposed to have no begining or end. It is rather like escher's staircase, which has no basis in reality either, its just an illusion. If you go back in time to a point before you were born then technically in that time period you dont 'exist' which isnt a paradox its just a fact. if you travelled 1000 years into the future you wouldnt exist there either, again not a paradox.
Manoo62 5 months ago
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YaiBugy 5 months ago
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@Manoo62 Future time travel is theorethically plausible, yes; but as for time travel to the past (which was the original argument) modern physics states that time travel is, for scientific purposes, impossible. You may disagree, of course. There are favorable arguments for both sides, but I'm sticking with Hawking in this one.
YaiBugy 5 months ago
@Manoo62 Actually, I feel that if you went to the past to kill your grandfather you would leave knowing that, for whatever reason, you did not succeed in your quest. This is evident by the fact that you do exist now, meaning that you grandfather lived on and you were produced. Maybe, the outcome will be him killing you in self defense and you never coming back after the day you stepped out of your time... And you wonder why granpa always gives you that strane look. You look strangely familiar.
marzykjones 5 months ago
@marzykjones The laws of physics are he same in the past as they are here. If you go into the past to kill your grandfatherthen nothing will magically stop you. So the question is still "what happens when you do kill him!" you cant just change the question because the answer is too difficult.
Also you always have free will and are not compelled to do anything, so no silly predetermination and no causality loops are created by time travel.
Manoo62 5 months ago
@Manoo62 Your missing it. I'm saying that d outcome is already obvious because you have, technically, done it already. Look at it this way. Let's say u r about to travel for the first time. For your first trip, plan to give your 8 yr old dad $200. Alright, now before you leave go n ask ur dad, "Did you ever have a stranger give you any money." If he says "Yeah, when I was 8 some guy gave me $200 and walked away" then it means you are living the results of what you are about to or "did" do.
marzykjones 5 months ago
@marzykjones If your father says yes he received the money then you have free will to NOT go back in time.....
If your father says no then you have free will to go back and give him the money.....or not bother.....
Neither of which works becauses as the time traveller such events are always in YOUR future (i.e you havent done them yet) so how could someone in the present REMEMBER your future??
Manoo62 5 months ago
Uhh the control bar won't let me watch the entire documentary...
Zoskiacvltvs 6 months ago
you would kill yourr grandfather and as loung as you stay in the past you would live return to your own time and you woul have never been.if you travle bac you become part of that time locked in you might say.
jcb570 6 months ago in playlist BEST Time Travel Videos - Time Machine
Well, we are under the assumption that there is only one universe where time is linear. What if there are multiple such possible universes. Then the paradox is solved. The person travelling back with intention in to kill his father will seize to exist in that universe while in alternative universes, he may still be alive.
knazir 7 months ago
If he would go back in time to try to kill his grandfather and that became his grandfather's inspiration for his book. And he would try to disprove the paradox because of the book, than he would never been able to go back in time to try to disprove the paradox, why the book never can be written in that way.
MrUbister 7 months ago