BoLS Battle Report 41 - Empire vs Skaven | Warhammer 8th

[LALZ1986]

what is a BSB?

[A1Gentleman1Said]

@LALZ1986 Battle standard bearer

[warhammer1104]

i play both armys they are very fun to play

[Darth0ink]

Shaven can have massive blocks of infantry, amazing saves for them which sucks tiger testicles, and in lower point games completely dominate with ranks and saves and overpowered weapons. Of course skaven are overpowered. Especially when your friend starts playing them and he rolls like he's fucking Jesus.

[dragonstormx]

I've heard people call Skaven overpowered in the 8th edition to it focusing on mass blocks of infantry.

[verlox]

WHY DID WAR FORGE HAVE TO CLOSE?!?!?! That's where they're playing, btw.

[4fing3rz]

were is the hell pit RAWR, cast frenzy on those slaves

[4fing3rz]

were is the hell pit RAWR

[SkavenWarhammer]

whatch plzz i've just finished my rat ogre /watch?v=IvvBm7c2r5A

[SmerkenKerk]

@SkavenWarhammer Your a pretty good painter. I think I'll subscribe now, the only problem is you gotta post more videos, and make them interesting too. You can't just have all your videos be pictures and words, you need some audio and stuff. Overall your pretty good painter, I look forward to more videos from you.

-SmerkenKerk.

[tehpwnage1029]

I shuddered when I heard the term "poison wind mortar". Empire is my army!

[fox21231]

Skaven are definitally a 1st tier army. Probably one of the best besides high elves of course, with there always strike first rule i hate them.

[theinnerdevil]

skaven skaven, Skaven Skaven, SKAVEN SKAVEN !!! !!!!

[Markell1991]

Why was the Halloween theme tune in the background?

[perkeleensotasika]

This was great battle report. I just also started playing fantasy and chose Empire :)

[aleexx77]

great report, one question, wuldnt the warpcannon need line of sight to the knights? cuz from wat i understand is that line of sight through guys are greatly expressed in 8th edition, i culd be rong

[tobyisatramp]

@aleexx77 you are wrong. the lightning cannon can see through things due to its special warpstone sight.

[bowlgnasandwich]

@tobyisatramp Not anymore buddy, that was their last book....unless its in the FAQ, which i haven't read in a while.

[theseventhson95]

i am thinking of starting warhammer fantasy. are skaven good because they look so fucking awesome ?

[lepruk86]

@theseventhson95

It is quite early still but Skaven are shaping up to be one of the best armies in 8th edition. Though Skaven have always been okay to play.

Look around online for some rough tier lists and you will see Skaven are rated as no.1 by several sources.

[theseventhson95]

@lepruk86 thanks i will consider your advice !

[SmerkenKerk]

@theseventhson95 I'm assuming your a beginner, in that case Skaven aren't really a good army to begin with. On the tabletop they are good, and they are really simple to play. The only problem is that is a lot of models you gotta assemble and paint, so for a beginner, not a good selection. But if you really want to go ahead, I'm just giving you some advice.

[theseventhson95]

@SmerkenKerk no wait , i play warhammer 40k and i am a pretty good painter.I generally dont like hordes ( I play Csm and Space Wolves ) but Skaven are vey attractive.I am a begginer of Warhammer Fantsay though ( i have just learned the rules and have played a siple battle with the Tomb Kings of a friend of mine ).

[oceantic121]

@theseventhson95 yes im a skaven player and if you know how to play them they kick fucking ass. hope this helps.

[bowlgnasandwich]

@oceantic121 but...if things go bad (almost everything can misfire and blowup) you die horribly so you need a sense of humour to play them.

[techmarine96]

@theseventhson95 they play as a horde so dont worry about loses (their will always be more rats)

[superstrok99]

@viktorhat

itstrue power is the artillery, missiles and handguns, always have plenty of them

[kerstmanneke82]

@viktorhat Dwarves are still cheese with that fucking anvil of doom.

[Rileyoco]

@viktorhat

I started Empire in 8th, and I love 'em. They're an average army is the general consensus, but I've been doing really well with them. I love the models, too.

[wubs23]

that is the smallest skaven army i've ever seen xD

[genkidamaaaa]

nice battle!!! beatifull armies and army list

im startting to play 8th, making my list and buying miniatures.

saludos from argentina

[IIXXIIXX]

did you have the halloween theme running the back round

[verlox]

This was shot at Battle Forge Games....sucks SO much they closed down!!!

[K47Z3]

Long life to the Horned Rat!.

A Skaven fan since 4th.

[MyDwarfman]

@andkre1990 Wow man your absolutely right according to the new 8th rule book the war machines arent effected by loss of crew. I still think crew should be removed as casualties but the only time it really matters is with bolt throwers. It does specifically say on page 109 or 111, I think, how a bolt thrower requires at least two crew members to pull back the string and load it. Theres no longer loss of crew firing penalties though apparently. Good catch and thanks.

[MyDwarfman]

Page 108 of the rulebook shows that the cannon has three wounds basically because you have three crewmen and each wound is a crew member. So when he did the two wounds from sling fire you would need to remove two of your crew from the cannon. This would also effect how long you take to reload and thus how often you could fire the cannon from that point onn

[andkre1990]

@MyDwarfman to me it seems like they are doing it right. Yes you can remove crew members as wounds to the machine, but loss of crew no longer reduces the functionality of the war machine (as long as at least 1 crewman is alive). At least I can't find a reference to loss of crew and functionality in the rulebook.

[MyDwarfman]

Page 113 of the 8th edition rulebook says that the cannon ball does continue on even if it does'nt kill the model. It still continues on its bounce path. only monstrous infantry/beast/cavaly will stop it or if it hits impassable terrain. Simply hitting a clanrat or slave wouldnt stop the bounce line of the cannon. So even though he made his ward save, since he is just basic infantry and not monstrous the ball coninues.

[dt6543214e]

@MichaelRAguirre poisoned wind globadiers can cos they have off the back volley rule

and you can shoot into skavenslaves cos of their expendable rule

[stevomil]

uuuum as far as i know you dont tell your opponent your items at the start of the game. but maybe you just said it cause you were commenting on the whole game and did it for illustration purposes.

[valtenvalanos]

Whats the Knightly order for the knights?

[Yanda911]

A friend of mine has that same temple you guys were using on the right side of the frame.

[Dargor94]

New warhammer rocks

[imjohnfreeman]

New Skaven player here. I think I fucked my shit up, lol, I got the Skaven battalion and then a unit of stormvermin and a vermin lord and now I have the most improper army list ever B(

[JiggyMcYourfriend]

@imjohnfreeman

Grey Seer/ Warlord

Buckets of clanrats and slaves

Stormvermin or Monks, your pref

Cannons !

Those are the things to field

[zeratti]

@imjohnfreeman you shoud have waited for island of blood anyway get a high elf friend and solve that problem

[Zspear234]

@zeratti That's what I'm gonna do!!!!! XD

[CurseoftheGarrett]

NO skaven are gay and way too powerful.

But i know how to kill him with my druchii hehehe and you thought daemons and skaven are evillll..............try dark elves wooooooooooooooooo

[AkimboLizard]

YES SKAVEN, I LOVE SKAVEN! Getting the army book in a couple minutes

Can't wait for Island of Blood

[Orcishempire]

How were you useing 6 die to cast spells? For spell casting the rule is still wizard lvl +1

[ADKearney2112]

@Orcishempire not anymore! you roll 2d6, whatever you roll is how many power dice you get in that turn's magic phase. you then roll 1d6 for each wizard, any 6's rolled, you add 1 power die to the pool, max 12. double 1 no longer cause miscast, but double 6's will cause irresistible force and a miscast

[333mojo333]

I'm pretty sure cannons are bounced only by Monsterous infantry. 

[minus67]

@333mojo333 This is what happens when you only have the book for a few days before you try a game.

[ilDazzer]

with the empire you should get a lot of new ruled units like light cav, mortar,cannon to see how much those rules change the game. this is a very bad set up for empire to me

[heppellpot]

empire had a very very bad set up in my opinion.

[minus67]

@heppellpot I was playing with the painted models avaialble to me. It was only 1000 points and was mainly meant to show off 8th. What do you think is goo?

[heppellpot]

@minus67 ah right fair enough, good looking models so far. (Y)

well i think the cannon was too isolated the cross bowmen should have been to the left of the cannon to give it support whilst still being able to rain fire down the centre of the board (long range take advantage of it) also i would have had the spear men infront of the horde and the knights infront of the smaller unit of skaven...

[heppellpot]

@minus67 ...even up the odds a bit. as the spear men could easily hold up the horde whilst the cavelry (with the aid of the cross bow and cannon fire could have a good bash at taking down the smaller unit of skaven. the gutter runners would have to go for the cannon so a minimal chance of the knights getting flanked. and they would be taken out enroute to the cannon anyway by the cross bowmen. once the knights had taken down the small unit; reform and flank charge the horde.

[heppellpot]

@minus67 of course this is, if all were to go well. but that would be my plan. each to their own as well. this hobby is about fun after all.

my final tip would be try a 3,000+ points battle of 8th edition. unbelievably good! when you get your models painted anyway ;)

[PsiAnara]

you guys are supposed to keep your units at least one inch away from eachother now, friendly units included :)

[kpooh256]

empire player looks like he's using a 7th edition setup to me

[redgreen09]

we hare will waght fore the new starter set and get the minis and the small rulll book thanks WKJR

[riftsinger]

shound have ranked the crossbows due to the new rules for ranked fireing

[underfire987]

you know you guys should try AoA now thats a cool rule book and you can play pretty much any army vs any other army, hell you could have undead vs roman empire if you wanted to ;) :D!

[majesticfeet]

@underfire987 What's AoA?

[underfire987]

@majesticfeet its a fantasy rule set , which has almost every fantasy race u can think of, and also historical armys like the romans, so you could for say play beastmen vs romans , pretty cool idea and the book is popular in the uk.

[JavlinVII]

Aw man I wanted to see the Purple Sun! lol

Good Batrep guys, thanks