@riseofthefallen301 not to mention that today there are successors to this car, the SSC aero, the mosler mt900, and the devon GTX, all brilliant machines. Especially the successor to the aero that's coming soon, it was designed by jason Castriots, so the only real complaint people had: the looks, isn't really valid now
For a car built in 1990-1993, there weren't too many cars in the world that actually competed with it. F40 wasn't a luxury car, the XJ220 starts getting close... where the EB110 was right there. The McLaren could be customized out just as much as the Vector... and was only moderately faster (a few 10ths of a mph faster with the rev limiter removed.
@nthfinity wow, i was really impressed by your comment. i was expecting replies like "fuck you, you communist hater" and so on. your reply was very calm and factual and now that i think of it, you are right,sir. hats off to you!
:) Sometimes 500 +- characters is tough to reply, but its fun :) I just wish Suharto had never "invested" in the company. Most people don't know there were close to 50 orders with deposits on the car when Suharto (Megatech) got involved, and illegally took over the company...firing almost everybody, and plasma-torching rolling chassis in 1/2. Hollywood couldn't make a crazier story!
@nthfinity You do realize that once the Vector W8 activates it's twin turbo chargers it gains 1100 HP right? And that is something it gains STANDARD. Something none of the cars you mentioned gain is not "customized" to get it. So the Vector stands ahead of all.
@riseofthefallen301 Just a few words: ford GT40. But yea, it's pretty hard to disagree with you there. Chevy has never built anything worth touching or even looking at. Just about everything you get from GM is garbage.
@nthfinity What would make me part my Ferrari 575M for a Vector? Does this car have racing pedigree? What is the appeal of this car?
Motorsport is a beautiful innovator and if it does have racing development it should be well developed, maybe not as well as a Lamborghini or an Ascari.
Rarity, speed, design, technology (at the time). It's not for everyone. The pedigree is that this was the fastest car in the world until the McLaren beat it by a few 10ths of a mph in one direction. Much group C technology found it's way into the Vector W8. Whereas, the 575M has very little in common with the Prodrive 550 GT1, or the later 575 GTC. That said, Prodrive did have a good car to start off with ;) There was also a Vector built to top the 24 hour speed record...
@nthfinity Thnak you for your response. I may not get a Vector in the future but despite its "rarity", it is still a fast machine.
Concerning the 575M, it is a good car; quick, comfy, easy to maintain myself, seriously. It is not the best Ferrari & as the car is built in 2002, the design has not aged well compared to the 355 & many others before & after it to say but 1 Fez. The car is currently been totally refurbished and I am using my pathetic 512 TR as I am hoping to get an F70.
I personally disagree with your assessment that the 550/575 haven't aged well. But that is just an opinion. I actually don't like the rear bumper styling on the Vector myself. The neat thing about the Vector is that 15 years after it was built, it would take a car like an Enzo to beat it. Sadly, due to production numbers, and tire availability... driving these cars like they were new is very rare for owners of them today. Also, I work at a 160 car collection that has 3/4 F supers
Finest supercar in the world, made in America. Of course, to Americans, anything they make is the finest. BTW this thing couldn't handle for shit. That's American engineering
"Aviation tolerance" ... Have you ever flown in the helicopter that my company has provided me? LOLOL I'd never drive a car that vibrates that bad at 160mph indicated. Yeah this car is cool no joke, but not the finest in the world. Sorry.
Hi, so a supercar is supposed to absorb rough road contours like a SUV? I think you've never driven or even been in a sports car, let alone a supercar.
@nthfinity The steering column and wheel don't absorb the contours of the road, the SUSPENSION does that. The dude was talking about VIBRATION which, if excessive, will become very tiresome very quickly.
I was helping show this car a few years ago at a show in a major downtown metropolitan area, and was surprised how many people thought it was a DeLorean. The DMC 12 may have a basic wedge shape, but that isn't hardly similar!
@camaroz28B4C "..., let alone with the boost turned up with 110 octane race gas. With 110, the W8 makes 1200 rwhp. "
Seriously, does your mother know you are this lazy/stupid? She must be so proud. That was from one of the highest rated comments. Get this: there are TWO of them on every youtube page in the SAME PLACE. Why don't you try checking them out next time?
Ah.. just noticed what prompted some of the confusion. Doc, your drawing a distinction between the W2 and the W8. There are no practical differences between these two vehicles. They are ALL one off prototypes with the same engine layout and number of cylinders. The change in name was just more smoke and mirrors.
If anyone has a verifiable reference to how many were produced (by vin number) I'd love to have a look.
17 production W8's were built between mid 1990, and early 1993. Two pre production cars were made named PP1 and PP2, and two prototype future models based on the W8 chassis were made named WX3 and WX3-R with an all new body, and two prototype engines were built initially, including a 9.0 liter n/a V12 and a 7.0 liter DOHC V8. Neither of those motors are used in the WX3 and WX3 R today; just the Roddeck Y block that shared use in the W8's.
It's all well and good to repeat numbers and information that have been fed to you by Vector sources but what we're talking about here is something rather simple. A simple list of the cars actually produced by chassis number. My suspicion and the suspicion of others is that chassis numbers that have been included in that "17" figure are cars sent back for various reasons or passed about and refitted.
So again.. do you or anyone else have a list of the actual cars by vin number?
Numerous people have seen each production car built; photographed them etc. I don't care to carry a list of VIN's with me, however there are a few people who do just that... the owner of the car is one of them, Jurgen is another, and there are a few others who do as well. Why is it you are so thick regarding this? Suspicion ? There was one car sent back by Andre Agassi. That car is no. 5... sometimes called 13A after he destroyed the engine, a new engine was built. Same chassis.
Not thick.. just suspicious. I'm not asking that you "carry a list of vin numbers around"..just seeing if you knew ANYWHERE the vin or chassis numbers for each car were posted...as they are for Ferrari's and Lamborghini's and most other actual production exotics.
That's where you get away from the nonsense that you already identified as Agassi's car "#5" being re-listed as "13A".
When I see the promotional footage showing "Vector cars" my eye immediately recognize the "unique" cars.
Additionally, There was at least two magazines which had reported on the top speed achieved by the W8. Prior to delivery of each car, the company tested and verified that each one made at least 625 hp (most are well over that value), and each car was tested to v-max; where it runs out of gear at 242.1 mph. The claim of top speed was so outrageous in 1990 prior to the XJ220 and McLaren F1 that the first owners could not insure the car. The claim was changed to 200+ mph.
The W2 used a Donnavan 5.7 liter twin turbo. For the production model, the use of a reslevable Roddeck Y block was employed @ 6.0 or 6.2 liters.
The owner of the car has production line photos of each car, from the W2, all through the WX3 prototypes. He also has the VIN's if you wish to ask him on his youtube page. VectorW8015
This was a car that I, as a kid, desperately wanted to believe in but it quickly became clear that it was making claims that it simply could not keep.
If someone can direct us to a list of the vectors by vin number.. I'd love to see it. Rumor has it (confirmed by practical accounts and the research that I have been able to do to date) that out of those 10 supposed cars.. over half of them are actually the same car.. rebuilt, modified and resold or handed around among the "owners". It's a fraud.
For those of you doing actual research on this thing you quickly realize there is more hot air blown into this windbag then auto parts. Even wikipedia sites unsupportable claims of top speed that never actually materialize. Cars.. real ones.. that can do the kind of numbers this car is supposed to be capable of.. do them ... all the time.. for fun.
This.. thing.. even by the most verifiable sources can't give accurate numbers of how many were built. Most say less then 10.. in 20 years.
The W8 was essentially an upgrade of the same company's earlier prototype, the Vector W2. The aluminum honeycomb semi-monocoque was derived from Group C racing technology, and roughly 5,000 aircraft specification rivets were used in the car's assembly.
You'd 5000 aircraft spec rivets to hold an Americans gut in the car!!!!
@Chilli0912 You can't weld Aluminum in the presence of oxygen. Actually you can but the cost would be absolutely prohibitive. This is one of the reasons Aluminum is not in wider use in cars today. Mainly in expensive luxury and sports cars. Auto manufacturing worldwide is geared toward steel. Riveting can solve this issue and is a major component to bringing Aluminum to most cars in the near future.
The reason the Vector W8 had a three speed auto was... well I'm not sure I didn't design the darn thing. I do know the three gears were exceptionally long and the W8 could reach 248mph. As for better, the Mercedes Mclaren SLR can be called the fastest Automatic in the world and it is still faster than 90% of supercars in the world then and now.
The reason the car has a ratchet-style automatic with manual shift points is at the time, it was the only gearbox that would "last the life of the owner". [ 50-80 years] No manual gear boxes could survive the huge torque levels that car was capable of making with pump gas, let alone with the boost turned up with 110 octane race gas. With 110, the W8 makes 1200 rwhp. The automatic gearbox has a custom engineered helical gear set; while using the OEM GM external assy.
not suprised they had to put an auto in it, reliability issues are probably why the GNX never came with a stick, but with todays high strenght 5 and 6 speeds itd be nice to see one of these with a stick, having a car like this in auto is like having a hot model girlfriend but letting someone else bang her.
Never reached anywhere near 248. Vaporware of the automotive industry. The number 248 came out of a typewriter.. not a drive train.
As to the rational.. yes, it was due to the torque of the engine.. they put a motor home transmission in it...cause it was a cheap shortcut to toss into a prototype. That's all Terry has put out since 1982-ish is prototypes.
Disgusting. Anyone got a link to a real test of an actual car I'd love to see it.
@PaleHearse Correction, it reached 242mph at The Salt Flats though it "officially" topped out at "only" 218mph. The W8 was first manufactured in 1991 not '82. All the Vectors, like most American exotics, like the Molser MT900s and the SSC UA, are made in extremely low numbers, like all real exotics should be. Avtech only built 18 W8s, or so.
Also if you cared to know any of this you could just Google it yourself instead of making noise.
Let's get a couple things clear. Firstly, this... thing.. was never "manufactured". Only thing that every came out of this program were prototypes. If your going to say it reached 242 your going to have to give us date and time so I can actually look that up in official records.. cause those are the only thing that count.
After that, you may want to have a look at the cover shot from the 1985 issue of "Superauto illustrated". It's their cover car and had a big write up on it.
@PaleHearse The prototype is the W2's,of which there is only one, was not produced. Don't confuse the issue. Vector built 17 W8's between 1989 and1993. We, not including you, were talking about the W8, the car in the video, when you first butted in.
So unless you have something to contribute besides "Nuh-uh! No it didn't.", then butt out. Go find the facts yourself and add them to the conversation or just blow away. That's how you begin to matter on your own online.
That's the beautiful thing about facts... they speak for themselves. These things are all open for folks to research for themselves. The too will find that not only is there no difference substantively between the W2's and the W8's but that the number of "17" was actually only produced on Vector's own web resources and never backed up by vin numbers. There is currently ONE prototype of the M series (long one with a Lamborghini engine) for sale in Florida for 160K or so.
If you can provide ANY resource that shows the vin numbers of these vehicles I'm sure we'd love to see them and who supposedly bought them. One half built prototype was sent to Andre Agassi and later turned up in someone else's garage after Agassi's $450K was returned to him. How many of those other "17" wound up being resold is anyone's guess and why I'd be curious to see how many actual cars were produced certified by vin number.
so what we're left with is 218MPH, and 10 total cars.
Each car built is entirely unique. Agassi took delivery prior to the car being completed... radiators were not yet fitted. He was told he could have it 'available' for his birthday party, and not to run the engine @ idle for more than 15 minutes per hour. He decided to take it for a drive, and the engine blew @ 180 mph in the desert at 2am. Other owners, mostly early owners were also investors in Vector Aeromotive. I have run into some of those people over the years. Privacy matters
See that's the thing about "tall stories".. the verification seems dependent on the teller's agenda. Agassi, fired it up in his driveway/back yard as to what I can verify.. and the engine backfired destroying much of the exhaust system and rear heat panel. Not as glamorous as your description but then that's kind of what I'm talking about here as to verification and validation of the vehicles.
I'm a process engineer by trade and as such, I work with many "Weigerts".
I've never met Jerry; however, I am a friend of one of the engineers who worked for Vector Aeromotive for over a decade through various iterations of the W2 leading through the day they were taken over illegally. There are still several finished chassis that Jerry owns that will likely never be finished. The engineer who is my friend flew by helicopter to the middle of the desert to recover the car. The current owner of chassis 5 met Agassi some years back... still pretentious.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way.. but since you are this close to the nonsense.. it's actually just more of the same that I and others have come to expect from Vector cars. It seems that every time one reads or hears about this car, numbers made, performance numbers, production plans.. etc... it's always said by someone in the close circle and NEVER from any outside verifiable source.
So we're back to actual chassis numbers. Please let us know where these can be verified.
I get that each car is "unique" and that's kind of my difficulty here. I have worked with many companies that kind of fit what Vector cars seems to be up to. They make "multimillion dollar" specialty machines but they do it as a side business.. much like Mr. Weigert does with the cars. Yes, they have the jigs, molds, some parts, but that's where the shell game starts. They build a machine or two but then "refurbish" old machines to give the appearance of viability to investors.
U meant to say one of the ugliest American cars of all time. I don't understand how these engineers and designers build such ugly vehicles? Let any 20 to 30 yr old submit cars designs and it'd blow your minds.
@pinherc I find the Vector W8 one of the best designs of the time. It did not age well, though. Most Supercars look like crap just 10 years after they were made, nevermind 20 or 30 years. But Stefan Schulze drew up the Tribun which is his take on a modern Vector and it looks amazing.
@tehpartysong What about cars such as the Corvette ZR-1 and the Corvette in general, the SRT-8 Viper and ACR-Viper, the Saleen S7, Ford GT, SSC Ultimate Aero, and any other high-end American supercar. If you're comparing American cars like the Camaro and Mustang that anyone can afford, to a $200,000 European exotic, of course handling is way different and people will build the vehicles for different purposes.
wow people, can we just settle down and quit arguing over such silly things. America vs. Europe, Automatic vs Manual, Americans have some beautifully engineered cars. like the Cadillac crs-v for example. Europe has amazing cars too. and as far as comparing transmissions? who started that? did anybody even say automatic was better?
@dacasman yeah I don't know where or why we have this debate... it seems to be the common stereotype that enthusiasts prefer manual while casuals prefer fully-automatic. It's really gotten out of hand.
That being said, I have to disagree with you about the Cadillac. The cts-v is one of the ugliest sedans I've ever seen, and I live in America.
@kikiCar88 Get that Jeremy Clarkson thinking out of here. Their is nothing wrong with these things and if you think your going to drive a lambo through your cobblestone allys your very wrong. Lambos, Ferraris, you name it can only consider good handling on tracks. American cars get their bad handling rep from our roads not poor design. Jeremey Clarkson is god but im just a true car lover. I don't look at the badge and make decision on quality...unless its kia or chinese
The Shelby Cobra's handling was so bad it won the FIA World Championship. The Vector W8's handling was better than the F40 in direct comparisons in 1990. The Vector M12 was one of the worst handling cars in the world in direct comparisons. That was basically a rebodied Diablo chassis.
@nthfinity Please consider that I was talking about a video game. I did not experience the W8 or Cobra in real life. And besides, if this car is as great as you are claiming, why isn't it very well known? Why do about 90% of people know this car because of the game I was referring to?
Video games? I enjoy them periodically. I prefer driving real cars with big power.
Vector Aeromotive had a lot of potential; my opinion is that the reason the company failed amidst great success, that Jerry made the mistake of trusting Tommi Suharto as an investor; who returned over 40 deposits for W8's from all over the world. Suharto illegally took over the company, and fired everybody.
I have real world experience driving cars from all over the world. I'm not just a online/video game racer ;) Stubborn? No, but I live and work in the auto industry; specifically in the aftermarket.
@nthfinity You shouldn't judge people like that boy, I've been in a couple cars that you will never touch in your entire existence. I just don't feel the need to show off like you do, noisy person. I was born in cars and my family will always live through the automotive industry.
Thats possible, what cars? :-) I desperately wish a few unique cars would come hear that aren't terribly uncommon there. A few I thought I'd never get a chance to see outside of Germany a few friends have successfully imported and made US DOT legal. But those friends are very passionate about those specific models. Tough thing to do.
@nthfinity I went into one of the 73 Venturi 400s and the only 600LM in the world. A friend of ours is the current president of the Alpine club of France, and I've been in his 500hp (PRV3.0 bi-turbo engine, same as the Venturi 400) Alpine A310. Just shocking.
Very nice! The only Renault Alpine I've had any experience with is an A110. A fantastically gorgeous car! Other than that, I have driven both a R5 T1 and R5 T2... had to push start the T2 once... we joked that it wasn't the French car, it was the American battery!
First thing you notice when you get in is that Jerry Weigart is not a tall man. 5'8" where I'm 6" taller. I have to slouch a little, and put the seat to the maximum reclining position to be relatively comfortable. The car is only 42.5" tall from the ground. If I were to own one, I would have the seats redone to maximize headroom for me. Lateral space is more than enough. Step on the gas, and the car just rockets forward immediately. It isn't like n/a or small turbo cars...
with about 6.0 liters and two turbos, the wave of torque is huge, and unending. Being a 3 speed, you really only use two gears and you are going 160 mph. It doesn't give the same rush of speed that other cars with peaky engines do at the top. If anything, I'd say it's like comparing the sense of speed in a 308 to a Testerossa... the TR's don't rev all that high, but deceive you how you are suddenly going 100 mph where it feels like you are going 70 mph.
@nthfinity Torque multiplier?! That is complete nonsense. The simple fact that fully automatic transmissions uses a large amount of fluid and a torque CONVERTER makes the loss of power considerable through greater friction and pneumatic interactions. Also, you didn't answer my question.
Yes, an automatic gearbox multiplies the torque through the clutch packs on launch. This isn't something that is up for debate, it's how they work mechanically.
What are you speaking of specifically? I will argue facts, not platitudes that don't have any meaning. It is your common beliefe that no matter what DOHC is superior, it is different, not superior. It isn't inferior either.
Europe has been pushing sports cars w/out clutches for some time now. Only sometimes, they concede when dealing with the US (read: HUGE) market demands a 6 speed with a clutch and gated transmission instead of a 7 speed SMG...
Mercedes haven't made a top level sports car with a manual in some time.
Ferrari have axed manual transmissions altogether for future models.
Lamborghini have less than 5% of new models delivered with a gated transmission.
@nthfinity Without clutch =! Automatic. I can't even believe you're actually trying to argue over this. Europe is the continent of manual gearboxes, whether it be fully manual, sequential manual or semi-automatic (extremely rare, but still manual).
Manuals are going extinct? What a silly person you make.
@nthfinity I WILL KILL YOU if your really that dumb... do u have a ferrari??? no cause your poor.... BIRDS go extinct.. not transmissions... DAMN i would slap you fuckin silly if you ever talked like that in front of me son..
@nthfinity american cars couldnt, cant and never will reach the level of European cars either in performance or safety. For example the new SRT-10(new viper), it has an 8.3 ltr engine and produces only 500bhp. You can get that amount of power from a 3.5 ltr European car with a whole bunch of hi-tech in it, safety features and good looks. And you know what the best is? you wont have to refuel any time you go to the supermarket or at work.
More rotational mass, more energy loss. Today's pushrods are very different than those of just a few years ago. They are cheap to make, and make big power and big torque cheaply. Look at the head design, and flow characteristics, and you will learn that you are comparing different philosophies based on european tax regulations on displacement.
The Viper is now 8.4 liters, and makes over 600 hp n/a, and has well over 500 ft. lbs. Where are the 3.5 liter production street cars from Europe that are running 7:20's on the North Loop of the Nurburgring?
3 gears is pretty retarded. But to say ALL automatic is slushy is a thing of the past. Modern European, and Japanese automatics are no longer slush boxes and can shift faster than any human being can with H pattern shifters. Besides that a TC is an energy converter, an automatic will always push more torque than a direct clutch transmission. Sadly American automatics are lovingly known as dog boxes. They're big heavy boxes filled with 12 litres of dogshit.
@Renceau Never argue with an ignorant ass because they will clearly beat you every time by virtue of vastly inferior remarks and ignorant experience. You win. By the way, many of the Chaparral Sports racing cars of the 1960s were automatics and they enjoyed numerous victories. Here endeth the lesson.
The 3 speed auto is a custom design inside the GM housing. By definition, a clutch-pack automatic gearbox is a torque multiplyer. It also allows the car to keep the boost up without the use of anti-lag measures (which I have yet to see one made road legal) between shifts. It actually allows the car to go faster than if you were to shift with a standard transmission. Yes, more energy is lost, but the W8's all run out of gear @ 242 mph, they don't run out of power.
@damustangman That's the single stupidest thing I've heard. Well done for blowing my mind. Do some research on how full automatics work then we will talk.
finest supercar in the world" and "built in America which ISN'T the finest supercar AT ALL, using and EUROPEAN idea of a W engine.
Weslietje 1 month ago
omfg!!! that car is nuts hear those turbos spooln wow. one of the greatest supercars ever made!
yorktoncotereserve 1 month ago
@yorktoncotereserve so if a car sounds fast, its fast?
Weslietje 1 month ago
It's Lamborghini Countach's Sister!
Dragonforce55kid 1 month ago
3spd auto = teh lames
DerMetzger 1 month ago
built in the USA....but isnt the W8 a product of Volkswagen Corp.?
lifevest1 2 months ago
How is 'built in america' a good thing usa has not built a half decent car since the early 80's
cliffthelightning 2 months ago
The owner of this car blocked me from his YT channel. :(
vfIskullangel 3 months ago
Haha get it on a track against a maclaren F1
The vector would get its butt kicked every time.
Interesting car though, kinda like a delorean lol
hartoz 3 months ago
By the way, it's United States of America.... There's more than one America in the world.
SFGAdude 4 months ago
I wish we could see some high way runs with this car against lambos and even a 1/4mile run.
vfIskullangel 4 months ago
autotragic as fuck
TacoHuman419 5 months ago
I was waiting for some soccer mom ditz to pull out of her driveway in a Ford Windstar
jazar 5 months ago
rubish
manorcraft64 6 months ago
God, the dash looks like it's in the cockpit of an air bus
ThelolBubba 7 months ago
@riseofthefallen301 not to mention that today there are successors to this car, the SSC aero, the mosler mt900, and the devon GTX, all brilliant machines. Especially the successor to the aero that's coming soon, it was designed by jason Castriots, so the only real complaint people had: the looks, isn't really valid now
aracaen 7 months ago
@riseofthefallen301 fuck you commie! nah just kidding, @nthfinity did a great job proving you dont know your ass from your elbow
sschhuu 7 months ago 3
What an absolute garbage of a car. But that's exactly why I love it so much.
FrikZz0r 7 months ago
an airforce machine in a road,,superexotic car!
kolhauer 8 months ago
@gunluvS14
The owner of the car has my full video on his youtube page. look for Vectorw8015 (I think that's his username)
nthfinity 8 months ago
@nthfinity yeh well get rid of your shitty video then
cradlenazi 6 months ago
@cradlenazi Your name says it all.
Lastman0nEarth 4 months ago
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@Lastman0nEarth I always know when someone has nothing better to say when they try to rip on my name. Sooooo go fuck yourself
cradlenazi 3 months ago
camera is upside-down, fail
blahblah2018 9 months ago
the phrases "finest supercar in the world" and "built in America" should NEVER be used in the same sentence except if seperated by a "wasn't"
riseofthefallen301 9 months ago 41
@riseofthefallen301
For a car built in 1990-1993, there weren't too many cars in the world that actually competed with it. F40 wasn't a luxury car, the XJ220 starts getting close... where the EB110 was right there. The McLaren could be customized out just as much as the Vector... and was only moderately faster (a few 10ths of a mph faster with the rev limiter removed.
nthfinity 9 months ago 6
@nthfinity wow, i was really impressed by your comment. i was expecting replies like "fuck you, you communist hater" and so on. your reply was very calm and factual and now that i think of it, you are right,sir. hats off to you!
riseofthefallen301 9 months ago 13
@riseofthefallen301
:) Sometimes 500 +- characters is tough to reply, but its fun :) I just wish Suharto had never "invested" in the company. Most people don't know there were close to 50 orders with deposits on the car when Suharto (Megatech) got involved, and illegally took over the company...firing almost everybody, and plasma-torching rolling chassis in 1/2. Hollywood couldn't make a crazier story!
nthfinity 9 months ago 4
@nthfinity You do realize that once the Vector W8 activates it's twin turbo chargers it gains 1100 HP right? And that is something it gains STANDARD. Something none of the cars you mentioned gain is not "customized" to get it. So the Vector stands ahead of all.
Kranical 8 months ago
@Kranical IF** not customized
Kranical 8 months ago
@riseofthefallen301 That's why this AMERICAN BUILT CAR can TAKE OUT any and ALL FAILrari's and LAMBOshities out there EVEN till this day stupid.
Kranical 8 months ago
@riseofthefallen301 GT-40, Saleen S7 TT, Viper SRT ACR, er.... SSC Aero TT, Vector W8 ... i think theres a couple more im forgetting...
gromann 6 months ago
@riseofthefallen301 Just a few words: ford GT40. But yea, it's pretty hard to disagree with you there. Chevy has never built anything worth touching or even looking at. Just about everything you get from GM is garbage.
YouFreakinTroll 2 months ago
@riseofthefallen301 Amen to that lol
TheOriginalSifoDyas 3 weeks ago
@nthfinity What would make me part my Ferrari 575M for a Vector? Does this car have racing pedigree? What is the appeal of this car?
Motorsport is a beautiful innovator and if it does have racing development it should be well developed, maybe not as well as a Lamborghini or an Ascari.
ROCKSOLID19 9 months ago
@ROCKSOLID19
Rarity, speed, design, technology (at the time). It's not for everyone. The pedigree is that this was the fastest car in the world until the McLaren beat it by a few 10ths of a mph in one direction. Much group C technology found it's way into the Vector W8. Whereas, the 575M has very little in common with the Prodrive 550 GT1, or the later 575 GTC. That said, Prodrive did have a good car to start off with ;) There was also a Vector built to top the 24 hour speed record...
nthfinity 9 months ago
@nthfinity Thnak you for your response. I may not get a Vector in the future but despite its "rarity", it is still a fast machine.
Concerning the 575M, it is a good car; quick, comfy, easy to maintain myself, seriously. It is not the best Ferrari & as the car is built in 2002, the design has not aged well compared to the 355 & many others before & after it to say but 1 Fez. The car is currently been totally refurbished and I am using my pathetic 512 TR as I am hoping to get an F70.
ROCKSOLID19 9 months ago
@ROCKSOLID19
I personally disagree with your assessment that the 550/575 haven't aged well. But that is just an opinion. I actually don't like the rear bumper styling on the Vector myself. The neat thing about the Vector is that 15 years after it was built, it would take a car like an Enzo to beat it. Sadly, due to production numbers, and tire availability... driving these cars like they were new is very rare for owners of them today. Also, I work at a 160 car collection that has 3/4 F supers
nthfinity 9 months ago
The Vector W8 is the car of the future ? Seems they haven't been keeping track of things....
NikKast1981 9 months ago
@NikKast1981
Built in 1990-1993.
nthfinity 9 months ago
@nthfinity Well it was uploaded in 2007....
NikKast1981 9 months ago
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Finest supercar in the world? You really think that?
trashcanalive 9 months ago
@trashcanalive no its not.
deltajegga 9 months ago
Finest supercar in the world, made in America. Of course, to Americans, anything they make is the finest. BTW this thing couldn't handle for shit. That's American engineering
dunti21 9 months ago
It's so ugly, but so awesomely 80's that it already looks cool again! I wouldn't care, I'd have one if had the money :D
mustachos1993 9 months ago
"Aviation tolerance" ... Have you ever flown in the helicopter that my company has provided me? LOLOL I'd never drive a car that vibrates that bad at 160mph indicated. Yeah this car is cool no joke, but not the finest in the world. Sorry.
uswg01 10 months ago
To much vibration in the steering wheel for a super car = not good handling
SuperYokoh 10 months ago
@SuperYokoh
Hi, so a supercar is supposed to absorb rough road contours like a SUV? I think you've never driven or even been in a sports car, let alone a supercar.
nthfinity 10 months ago 4
@nthfinity The steering column and wheel don't absorb the contours of the road, the SUSPENSION does that. The dude was talking about VIBRATION which, if excessive, will become very tiresome very quickly.
ibleed1 9 months ago
@SuperYokoh don't look at it as vibration - look at it as transmitting information from the road to your hands. It's a great thing.
polypolyman 10 months ago 3
is that a wanabe countach??
deltajegga 10 months ago
@deltajegga
Maybe to a casual observer from a mile away! Look at a photo of each from similar angles, and get back to me.
nthfinity 10 months ago
@nthfinity ya i know it just looks the same as my dads
deltajegga 10 months ago
@deltajegga
I was helping show this car a few years ago at a show in a major downtown metropolitan area, and was surprised how many people thought it was a DeLorean. The DMC 12 may have a basic wedge shape, but that isn't hardly similar!
nthfinity 10 months ago 2
@nthfinity ya it dosent look like a delorean at all, its closer to a countach
deltajegga 10 months ago
@nthfinity also it goes a lot faster than 88 MPH!!
prattyk82 10 months ago
@prattyk82 i believe it could do 88 in gear 1 if i am not mistaken
genatsvalle91 10 months ago
@genatsvalle91
About 82 maxing out the revs.
nthfinity 9 months ago
@deltajegga
Are you a wanabe dumbass?
suggett48116 9 months ago
@suggett48116 no, but i think you are. :)
deltajegga 9 months ago
make more videos of it!
vipersickboy24 11 months ago
finest supercar in the world? ahahhahah xD
Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale is the way!
italianguns 1 year ago
Most disappointing video of all time? What was the point? About half a second of acceleration in a residential area. HOLY SHEET!
GoBackToSchoolFool 1 year ago
does anyone know the rated horsepower at the wheels on these cars?
camaroz28B4C 1 year ago
@camaroz28B4C "..., let alone with the boost turned up with 110 octane race gas. With 110, the W8 makes 1200 rwhp. "
Seriously, does your mother know you are this lazy/stupid? She must be so proud. That was from one of the highest rated comments. Get this: there are TWO of them on every youtube page in the SAME PLACE. Why don't you try checking them out next time?
GoBackToSchoolFool 1 year ago
@GoBackToSchoolFool Looks like somebody has a case of the mondays....
eskimo810 1 year ago
Did u put the camera upside down in ur car ? :D
(Top left at 0:17 ) you can see the date :D:D:D
Hatimoooo 1 year ago
Ah.. just noticed what prompted some of the confusion. Doc, your drawing a distinction between the W2 and the W8. There are no practical differences between these two vehicles. They are ALL one off prototypes with the same engine layout and number of cylinders. The change in name was just more smoke and mirrors.
If anyone has a verifiable reference to how many were produced (by vin number) I'd love to have a look.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
Sadly, you are mistaken quite severely.
17 production W8's were built between mid 1990, and early 1993. Two pre production cars were made named PP1 and PP2, and two prototype future models based on the W8 chassis were made named WX3 and WX3-R with an all new body, and two prototype engines were built initially, including a 9.0 liter n/a V12 and a 7.0 liter DOHC V8. Neither of those motors are used in the WX3 and WX3 R today; just the Roddeck Y block that shared use in the W8's.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity
It's all well and good to repeat numbers and information that have been fed to you by Vector sources but what we're talking about here is something rather simple. A simple list of the cars actually produced by chassis number. My suspicion and the suspicion of others is that chassis numbers that have been included in that "17" figure are cars sent back for various reasons or passed about and refitted.
So again.. do you or anyone else have a list of the actual cars by vin number?
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
Numerous people have seen each production car built; photographed them etc. I don't care to carry a list of VIN's with me, however there are a few people who do just that... the owner of the car is one of them, Jurgen is another, and there are a few others who do as well. Why is it you are so thick regarding this? Suspicion ? There was one car sent back by Andre Agassi. That car is no. 5... sometimes called 13A after he destroyed the engine, a new engine was built. Same chassis.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity
Not thick.. just suspicious. I'm not asking that you "carry a list of vin numbers around"..just seeing if you knew ANYWHERE the vin or chassis numbers for each car were posted...as they are for Ferrari's and Lamborghini's and most other actual production exotics.
That's where you get away from the nonsense that you already identified as Agassi's car "#5" being re-listed as "13A".
When I see the promotional footage showing "Vector cars" my eye immediately recognize the "unique" cars.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@nthfinity Precisely.
MichaelBlue72 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
Additionally, There was at least two magazines which had reported on the top speed achieved by the W8. Prior to delivery of each car, the company tested and verified that each one made at least 625 hp (most are well over that value), and each car was tested to v-max; where it runs out of gear at 242.1 mph. The claim of top speed was so outrageous in 1990 prior to the XJ220 and McLaren F1 that the first owners could not insure the car. The claim was changed to 200+ mph.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
The W2 used a Donnavan 5.7 liter twin turbo. For the production model, the use of a reslevable Roddeck Y block was employed @ 6.0 or 6.2 liters.
The owner of the car has production line photos of each car, from the W2, all through the WX3 prototypes. He also has the VIN's if you wish to ask him on his youtube page. VectorW8015
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity
Is the owner of this car associated directly with the company?
Thank you though.. I'd love to see how many were actually produced and how many were just swapped about with different bits.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
This was a car that I, as a kid, desperately wanted to believe in but it quickly became clear that it was making claims that it simply could not keep.
If someone can direct us to a list of the vectors by vin number.. I'd love to see it. Rumor has it (confirmed by practical accounts and the research that I have been able to do to date) that out of those 10 supposed cars.. over half of them are actually the same car.. rebuilt, modified and resold or handed around among the "owners". It's a fraud.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
For those of you doing actual research on this thing you quickly realize there is more hot air blown into this windbag then auto parts. Even wikipedia sites unsupportable claims of top speed that never actually materialize. Cars.. real ones.. that can do the kind of numbers this car is supposed to be capable of.. do them ... all the time.. for fun.
This.. thing.. even by the most verifiable sources can't give accurate numbers of how many were built. Most say less then 10.. in 20 years.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
Don't get me wrong, I like the W8 alot, but saying it's the finest supercar in the world is just... Ignorant.
Stealthgato 1 year ago
@Stealthgato
The level of craftsmanship is very comparable to the Bugatti Veyron. Obviously much technology has changed since that time.
nthfinity 1 year ago
looks like a diablo...
skievl23 1 year ago
wow it looks fast around suburbia...
xixas15 1 year ago
When did this car come out?
xTechnoKillerx 1 year ago
From Wiki:
The W8 was essentially an upgrade of the same company's earlier prototype, the Vector W2. The aluminum honeycomb semi-monocoque was derived from Group C racing technology, and roughly 5,000 aircraft specification rivets were used in the car's assembly.
You'd 5000 aircraft spec rivets to hold an Americans gut in the car!!!!
Chilli0912 1 year ago
@Chilli0912 You can't weld Aluminum in the presence of oxygen. Actually you can but the cost would be absolutely prohibitive. This is one of the reasons Aluminum is not in wider use in cars today. Mainly in expensive luxury and sports cars. Auto manufacturing worldwide is geared toward steel. Riveting can solve this issue and is a major component to bringing Aluminum to most cars in the near future.
DocWolph 1 year ago
The reason the Vector W8 had a three speed auto was... well I'm not sure I didn't design the darn thing. I do know the three gears were exceptionally long and the W8 could reach 248mph. As for better, the Mercedes Mclaren SLR can be called the fastest Automatic in the world and it is still faster than 90% of supercars in the world then and now.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@DocWolph
The reason the car has a ratchet-style automatic with manual shift points is at the time, it was the only gearbox that would "last the life of the owner". [ 50-80 years] No manual gear boxes could survive the huge torque levels that car was capable of making with pump gas, let alone with the boost turned up with 110 octane race gas. With 110, the W8 makes 1200 rwhp. The automatic gearbox has a custom engineered helical gear set; while using the OEM GM external assy.
nthfinity 1 year ago 7
@nthfinity I'll double check that. If it checks out I'll be sure to add this to the fact pile on the car. Thanks.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@DocWolph
Ask one of the engineers on the car
youtube.com/user/VectorW8015
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity I'll do that. Again Thanks.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@nthfinity where can i ind these things, i wuodlike to know more :)
FLDOTexe18 1 year ago
@FLDOTexe18
Two are in Michigan, the rest are scattered across he US (FL, TX, CA, OR, and other places here, as well as the mid east, UK, and Germany)
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity that's a fact, you can build a gm TH400 to withstand just about anything
BiffBallbag 1 year ago
not suprised they had to put an auto in it, reliability issues are probably why the GNX never came with a stick, but with todays high strenght 5 and 6 speeds itd be nice to see one of these with a stick, having a car like this in auto is like having a hot model girlfriend but letting someone else bang her.
eatmytits87 1 year ago
@DocWolph
Never reached anywhere near 248. Vaporware of the automotive industry. The number 248 came out of a typewriter.. not a drive train.
As to the rational.. yes, it was due to the torque of the engine.. they put a motor home transmission in it...cause it was a cheap shortcut to toss into a prototype. That's all Terry has put out since 1982-ish is prototypes.
Disgusting. Anyone got a link to a real test of an actual car I'd love to see it.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse Correction, it reached 242mph at The Salt Flats though it "officially" topped out at "only" 218mph. The W8 was first manufactured in 1991 not '82. All the Vectors, like most American exotics, like the Molser MT900s and the SSC UA, are made in extremely low numbers, like all real exotics should be. Avtech only built 18 W8s, or so.
Also if you cared to know any of this you could just Google it yourself instead of making noise.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@DocWolph
Let's get a couple things clear. Firstly, this... thing.. was never "manufactured". Only thing that every came out of this program were prototypes. If your going to say it reached 242 your going to have to give us date and time so I can actually look that up in official records.. cause those are the only thing that count.
After that, you may want to have a look at the cover shot from the 1985 issue of "Superauto illustrated". It's their cover car and had a big write up on it.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse The prototype is the W2's,of which there is only one, was not produced. Don't confuse the issue. Vector built 17 W8's between 1989 and1993. We, not including you, were talking about the W8, the car in the video, when you first butted in.
So unless you have something to contribute besides "Nuh-uh! No it didn't.", then butt out. Go find the facts yourself and add them to the conversation or just blow away. That's how you begin to matter on your own online.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@DocWolph
That's the beautiful thing about facts... they speak for themselves. These things are all open for folks to research for themselves. The too will find that not only is there no difference substantively between the W2's and the W8's but that the number of "17" was actually only produced on Vector's own web resources and never backed up by vin numbers. There is currently ONE prototype of the M series (long one with a Lamborghini engine) for sale in Florida for 160K or so.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@DocWolph
If you can provide ANY resource that shows the vin numbers of these vehicles I'm sure we'd love to see them and who supposedly bought them. One half built prototype was sent to Andre Agassi and later turned up in someone else's garage after Agassi's $450K was returned to him. How many of those other "17" wound up being resold is anyone's guess and why I'd be curious to see how many actual cars were produced certified by vin number.
so what we're left with is 218MPH, and 10 total cars.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
Each car built is entirely unique. Agassi took delivery prior to the car being completed... radiators were not yet fitted. He was told he could have it 'available' for his birthday party, and not to run the engine @ idle for more than 15 minutes per hour. He decided to take it for a drive, and the engine blew @ 180 mph in the desert at 2am. Other owners, mostly early owners were also investors in Vector Aeromotive. I have run into some of those people over the years. Privacy matters
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity
See that's the thing about "tall stories".. the verification seems dependent on the teller's agenda. Agassi, fired it up in his driveway/back yard as to what I can verify.. and the engine backfired destroying much of the exhaust system and rear heat panel. Not as glamorous as your description but then that's kind of what I'm talking about here as to verification and validation of the vehicles.
I'm a process engineer by trade and as such, I work with many "Weigerts".
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse
I've never met Jerry; however, I am a friend of one of the engineers who worked for Vector Aeromotive for over a decade through various iterations of the W2 leading through the day they were taken over illegally. There are still several finished chassis that Jerry owns that will likely never be finished. The engineer who is my friend flew by helicopter to the middle of the desert to recover the car. The current owner of chassis 5 met Agassi some years back... still pretentious.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity
I hope you don't take this the wrong way.. but since you are this close to the nonsense.. it's actually just more of the same that I and others have come to expect from Vector cars. It seems that every time one reads or hears about this car, numbers made, performance numbers, production plans.. etc... it's always said by someone in the close circle and NEVER from any outside verifiable source.
So we're back to actual chassis numbers. Please let us know where these can be verified.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@nthfinity
I get that each car is "unique" and that's kind of my difficulty here. I have worked with many companies that kind of fit what Vector cars seems to be up to. They make "multimillion dollar" specialty machines but they do it as a side business.. much like Mr. Weigert does with the cars. Yes, they have the jigs, molds, some parts, but that's where the shell game starts. They build a machine or two but then "refurbish" old machines to give the appearance of viability to investors.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
U meant to say one of the ugliest American cars of all time. I don't understand how these engineers and designers build such ugly vehicles? Let any 20 to 30 yr old submit cars designs and it'd blow your minds.
pinherc 1 year ago
@pinherc I find the Vector W8 one of the best designs of the time. It did not age well, though. Most Supercars look like crap just 10 years after they were made, nevermind 20 or 30 years. But Stefan Schulze drew up the Tribun which is his take on a modern Vector and it looks amazing.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@tehpartysong What about cars such as the Corvette ZR-1 and the Corvette in general, the SRT-8 Viper and ACR-Viper, the Saleen S7, Ford GT, SSC Ultimate Aero, and any other high-end American supercar. If you're comparing American cars like the Camaro and Mustang that anyone can afford, to a $200,000 European exotic, of course handling is way different and people will build the vehicles for different purposes.
tyIerz06 1 year ago
fast im sure, buts american meaning that if you introduce it to a corner it wont know what to do and kill you!!!!
martycochrane 1 year ago
wow people, can we just settle down and quit arguing over such silly things. America vs. Europe, Automatic vs Manual, Americans have some beautifully engineered cars. like the Cadillac crs-v for example. Europe has amazing cars too. and as far as comparing transmissions? who started that? did anybody even say automatic was better?
dacasman 1 year ago 11
@dacasman yeah I don't know where or why we have this debate... it seems to be the common stereotype that enthusiasts prefer manual while casuals prefer fully-automatic. It's really gotten out of hand.
That being said, I have to disagree with you about the Cadillac. The cts-v is one of the ugliest sedans I've ever seen, and I live in America.
FoxhoundJay 1 year ago
@FoxhoundJay im not saying its a pretty car, im saying its a very well made car. very fast too.
dacasman 1 year ago
Road plane
Zerolagg 1 year ago
hey it sucks compared 2 a bugatti veyron ss
olliekill 1 year ago
@kikiCar88 Get that Jeremy Clarkson thinking out of here. Their is nothing wrong with these things and if you think your going to drive a lambo through your cobblestone allys your very wrong. Lambos, Ferraris, you name it can only consider good handling on tracks. American cars get their bad handling rep from our roads not poor design. Jeremey Clarkson is god but im just a true car lover. I don't look at the badge and make decision on quality...unless its kia or chinese
ChaseSpeer 1 year ago
too short, but you can still tell it pulls hard....LOL.
halpern6 1 year ago
this car was badass in gran turismo 2
viirus35 1 year ago
@viirus35 Bad ass, but had by far the shittiest handling after the Shelby cobra...
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau yes, suzuki escudo ftw
viirus35 1 year ago
@viirus35 I'd rather run on my Venturi 600LM, because the Escudo is so horribly overpowered it's not even funny to win xD!
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau escudo was like a cheat in that game :)
viirus35 1 year ago
@viirus35 Yeah exactly ^^
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
The Shelby Cobra's handling was so bad it won the FIA World Championship. The Vector W8's handling was better than the F40 in direct comparisons in 1990. The Vector M12 was one of the worst handling cars in the world in direct comparisons. That was basically a rebodied Diablo chassis.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity Please consider that I was talking about a video game. I did not experience the W8 or Cobra in real life. And besides, if this car is as great as you are claiming, why isn't it very well known? Why do about 90% of people know this car because of the game I was referring to?
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau @Renceau
Video games? I enjoy them periodically. I prefer driving real cars with big power.
Vector Aeromotive had a lot of potential; my opinion is that the reason the company failed amidst great success, that Jerry made the mistake of trusting Tommi Suharto as an investor; who returned over 40 deposits for W8's from all over the world. Suharto illegally took over the company, and fired everybody.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity Why are you posting videos of you driving a car? Do you really have prove something to me?
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
I have real world experience driving cars from all over the world. I'm not just a online/video game racer ;) Stubborn? No, but I live and work in the auto industry; specifically in the aftermarket.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity You shouldn't judge people like that boy, I've been in a couple cars that you will never touch in your entire existence. I just don't feel the need to show off like you do, noisy person. I was born in cars and my family will always live through the automotive industry.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
Thats possible, what cars? :-) I desperately wish a few unique cars would come hear that aren't terribly uncommon there. A few I thought I'd never get a chance to see outside of Germany a few friends have successfully imported and made US DOT legal. But those friends are very passionate about those specific models. Tough thing to do.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@Renceau
youtube.com/watch?v=4LaGBaUmfsg <-- me driving 620 RWHP NSX @ 7:16 .
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity I went into one of the 73 Venturi 400s and the only 600LM in the world. A friend of ours is the current president of the Alpine club of France, and I've been in his 500hp (PRV3.0 bi-turbo engine, same as the Venturi 400) Alpine A310. Just shocking.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
Very nice! The only Renault Alpine I've had any experience with is an A110. A fantastically gorgeous car! Other than that, I have driven both a R5 T1 and R5 T2... had to push start the T2 once... we joked that it wasn't the French car, it was the American battery!
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity I'd love to ride in a W8. I wonder how different it is.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
First thing you notice when you get in is that Jerry Weigart is not a tall man. 5'8" where I'm 6" taller. I have to slouch a little, and put the seat to the maximum reclining position to be relatively comfortable. The car is only 42.5" tall from the ground. If I were to own one, I would have the seats redone to maximize headroom for me. Lateral space is more than enough. Step on the gas, and the car just rockets forward immediately. It isn't like n/a or small turbo cars...
nthfinity 1 year ago
@Renceau
with about 6.0 liters and two turbos, the wave of torque is huge, and unending. Being a 3 speed, you really only use two gears and you are going 160 mph. It doesn't give the same rush of speed that other cars with peaky engines do at the top. If anything, I'd say it's like comparing the sense of speed in a 308 to a Testerossa... the TR's don't rev all that high, but deceive you how you are suddenly going 100 mph where it feels like you are going 70 mph.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity Torque multiplier?! That is complete nonsense. The simple fact that fully automatic transmissions uses a large amount of fluid and a torque CONVERTER makes the loss of power considerable through greater friction and pneumatic interactions. Also, you didn't answer my question.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
Yes, an automatic gearbox multiplies the torque through the clutch packs on launch. This isn't something that is up for debate, it's how they work mechanically.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity It's no point discussing with you, you are way too stubborn. I didn't expect much from a crazed patriot such as yourself.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
What are you speaking of specifically? I will argue facts, not platitudes that don't have any meaning. It is your common beliefe that no matter what DOHC is superior, it is different, not superior. It isn't inferior either.
nthfinity 1 year ago
This car has a 3-speed automatic transmition, and you DARE say it's a "sports car".
Yeah, sports car for lazy ass-americans who don't know what the fuck a clutch is.
Also, automatic is MUCH less efficient than manual (in terms of energy loss).
Don't even argue.
Renceau 1 year ago 2
@Renceau
Europe has been pushing sports cars w/out clutches for some time now. Only sometimes, they concede when dealing with the US (read: HUGE) market demands a 6 speed with a clutch and gated transmission instead of a 7 speed SMG...
Mercedes haven't made a top level sports car with a manual in some time.
Ferrari have axed manual transmissions altogether for future models.
Lamborghini have less than 5% of new models delivered with a gated transmission.
Sadly, Manuals are going extinct.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity Without clutch =! Automatic. I can't even believe you're actually trying to argue over this. Europe is the continent of manual gearboxes, whether it be fully manual, sequential manual or semi-automatic (extremely rare, but still manual).
Manuals are going extinct? What a silly person you make.
Renceau 1 year ago
@nthfinity I WILL KILL YOU if your really that dumb... do u have a ferrari??? no cause your poor.... BIRDS go extinct.. not transmissions... DAMN i would slap you fuckin silly if you ever talked like that in front of me son..
304Urban 1 year ago
@nthfinity thats bullshit already because a true driver has manual not these lazy as autos.
cod4madass 1 year ago
@nthfinity yeh i know nowadays more and more gays are admitting his "gayness"
PTFuZi 1 year ago
@nthfinity american cars couldnt, cant and never will reach the level of European cars either in performance or safety. For example the new SRT-10(new viper), it has an 8.3 ltr engine and produces only 500bhp. You can get that amount of power from a 3.5 ltr European car with a whole bunch of hi-tech in it, safety features and good looks. And you know what the best is? you wont have to refuel any time you go to the supermarket or at work.
ironhidef1 1 year ago
@ironhidef1 The latest Hemis still use pushrods and rocker arms. That's how much Americans are ahead of us Europeans. Not.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
More rotational mass, more energy loss. Today's pushrods are very different than those of just a few years ago. They are cheap to make, and make big power and big torque cheaply. Look at the head design, and flow characteristics, and you will learn that you are comparing different philosophies based on european tax regulations on displacement.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@nthfinity Are you going to argue that OHV is better than DOHC now? The fact that OHVs are cheap isn't a factor in today's regulation
Renceau 1 year ago
@ironhidef1
The Viper is now 8.4 liters, and makes over 600 hp n/a, and has well over 500 ft. lbs. Where are the 3.5 liter production street cars from Europe that are running 7:20's on the North Loop of the Nurburgring?
nthfinity 1 year ago
@Renceau
3 gears is pretty retarded. But to say ALL automatic is slushy is a thing of the past. Modern European, and Japanese automatics are no longer slush boxes and can shift faster than any human being can with H pattern shifters. Besides that a TC is an energy converter, an automatic will always push more torque than a direct clutch transmission. Sadly American automatics are lovingly known as dog boxes. They're big heavy boxes filled with 12 litres of dogshit.
muzeitgeist 1 year ago
@Renceau Never argue with an ignorant ass because they will clearly beat you every time by virtue of vastly inferior remarks and ignorant experience. You win. By the way, many of the Chaparral Sports racing cars of the 1960s were automatics and they enjoyed numerous victories. Here endeth the lesson.
CJWULF777 1 year ago
@CJWULF777 Give me one fully automatic machine that is successful in high-end racing today. Oh, I knew that.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau No fully but semi automatic such as the Enzo..
europeandancer 1 year ago
@Renceau How about the Veyron that is fully automatic ?
europeandancer 1 year ago
@europeandancer Veyron is not fully automatic. It's a direct shift sequencial just like the car you named yourself.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau U mean like the Enzo ?
europeandancer 1 year ago
@europeandancer Enzo has a semi-automatic = automated manual =! automatic. I made a mistake.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
Tell that to Bugatti. They make the Veyron with an automatic. I don't see anyone complaining.
I don't see any cars catching it either..
USAon3 1 year ago
@USAon3 That's not the point. Manual sequential Veyron > Fully automatic Veyron. IF they made a fully automatic veyron, which I'm not sure.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau
The 3 speed auto is a custom design inside the GM housing. By definition, a clutch-pack automatic gearbox is a torque multiplyer. It also allows the car to keep the boost up without the use of anti-lag measures (which I have yet to see one made road legal) between shifts. It actually allows the car to go faster than if you were to shift with a standard transmission. Yes, more energy is lost, but the W8's all run out of gear @ 242 mph, they don't run out of power.
nthfinity 1 year ago
@Renceau it's still a kick ass sports car
TalbotEric 1 year ago
@TalbotEric The design is amazing, but I find the technology used contradictory.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau fyi man there are automatics that are much more efficient than manuals, for instance dual clutch autos
damustangman 1 year ago
@damustangman That's the single stupidest thing I've heard. Well done for blowing my mind. Do some research on how full automatics work then we will talk.
Renceau 1 year ago
@Renceau do u even know what dual clutch means? or are u just that stupid?
damustangman 1 year ago