Verdict: The sensitive flight controls make the MD-11 hard to handle, which contributes to pilot error that can destroy the aircraft during hard landings...
It takes a couple of seconds for the engines to spool up, so even if the pilots tried to do a go-around, they did not have another option but to fly her to the ground at first, or stall. There were 2 other MD-11's crashing the same way. 97, & 99. They speculate 3 causes/design flaws with the MD-11. #1 Unwanted pitching due a smaller elevator. #2 The controls are more sensitive than other aircraft.#3 Possible pilot error due to poor training on how to handle the plane if it moves erratically.
I don't know the exact cause of the accident but I remember that that day was very strong wind all through the night and this happend in the morning.(I live pretty close to Narita) Another pilots were already reporting windshear around Narita airport few times which was also relayed to the Fedex 80 before this happend. Maybe the wind is one of the main cause.
I want to beleive they were not stupid enough to nose dive in such a low altitude( 0:36 ). what I remember about the morning was the stormy wind burst like sound prevented me from sleeping. but Still unknown the real cause.
we need to wait till the investigator release some info.
yea thats true all we can do at the moment is speculate on the cause, and at :36 i think it was the cause of the plane bouncing already and hot having enough speed to go back up just came down nose first hard, how many casualtys? Im in the states and pritty sure we wont get much media attention here on the cause but if you please let me know soon as maybe they know something.
It was a horrible accident, where people died, but you cant understand this. Probably you would, if one of you friends or family members going to die too -.-
May those pilots RIP... Horrible crash, that plane was doomed after the second hop. Weather? Wonder what the investigators will determine was the cause...
My sister's flight got canceled because of this plane. Just for the others who are worried, this plane was a Fed Ex Cargo plane, so no passengers besides the pilot. Any news on the pilot?
It is true... there are striking similarities between this accident and FDX14 or China Airlines flight 642 (as wikipedia points out.) All of them came in with a high descent rate, bouced, entered a PIO cycle (worst thing that can happen in flight), hit hard, rolled inverted, spilled fuel which ignited...
Some time ago I found this (google for "That Tragic MD-11 Safety Record"), and it is bone-chilling... look at the part that talks about ERRATIC response to pilot input cose to the ground...
I don't know if this was the same crash that I saw on CNN today or one of those news-type TV stations, and that one happened to look just like this video, and it was a Federal Express plane, and they stated that there were wind gusts up to 50 Mph that they were trying to deal with, so either the wind was blowing against the plane upward, causing them to have to put pressure downward, then, close to the ground there wasn't any wind, so the plane all of a sudden drops, landing hard, or...
...there wasn't much wind until they got close to the ground, then hitting a bad wind, maybe a crosswind lifting one wing, causing them to start to lose control, and being so close to the ground, there wasn't room to, or not enough time to, recover, but I don't know if this was the same plane I saw on the news channel or not, but it sure looks like the same video, except they panned a little more to the right, showing that it was a Fed-X plane. They said on the news that the crew died.
Well, I just saw the news report again, and I'm still not sure if this is the same plane or not, but it did say that it was a Federal Express plane, that there were two crew aboard, that they had died and that it was an airport in Japan where it landed, and it did look like just about the same video as this one. It's always sad to hear about things like this. They also said that they had 14 people die in another plane crash, 7 of them children, and ironically, they crashed in a cemetary.
I have no experience in the MD-11 but this sounds eerily familiar to the FDX md-11 at KEWR incident that happened not too long ago. FDX's MD-11 fleet mgr and their POI are gonna be really busy. Godspeed to the crew and their family and friends.
They were trying to land and there was a strong crosswind, which caused the plane to lift again, then all it took was for the plane to start tilted, and the wind did the rest. Once it got under that wing, it just kept pushing it.
Good point...maybe its possible it pitched up, and there was enough headwind to lift it back off the ground...the decreased airflow combined with the pilot pushing down couldve caused the bounce, which resulted in the roll and fireball...
The MD-11 is designed to operate with the CG as close to the aft limit as possible to minimize fuel burn on the long flights it is designed to fly. This sets the crews up for just this type of problem when attempting to land. I do not like that method of operating the aircraft just to save fuel, as it compromises safety.
The MD-11 is very pitch sensitive, to the point that it requires a LSAS (longitudinal stability augmentation system). However, it does not maintain the aft CG during Take-off/climbout or for the approach/landing.
It only maintains the aft CG (up to 32% MAC by pumping fuel in and out of the tail tank) during latter part of the climbout, cruise and initial portion of the descent.
This video is Unbelievable!! Never seen anything like that before. However, the MD-11 might jump like this, with 50 flaps and if 1 and 3 enginges reverse prior to the no 2 (tail). But why it went that up, after the first flare, is something I cannot explain with opposite wind.
I think the reversers was not deployed. The first action after the jump should be Go-Around. But the jet engine cant spool up in just 1 sec. (not including retract flaps and spoilers)... it's too late... RIP
The MD-11 has a tendancy to flare on spoiler deployment, if you watch, the nose wheel goes down then the spoilers will deploy but the nosewheel goes back up. Pilot should have held the flare, but he seems to nose pitch down, therefore the sinkrate becomes too high and he probably collapsed the landing gear. Just seems to be a repeat of the crash at EWR.
globalste, you saw the (EWR)newark airport crash, i seen it happen right infront of me years back, what a lightshow there was sparks then flames everwhere,mail was all over the place the plane broke into several pieces. THE CREW EXSCAPED THRU A HATCH..they were lucky!!! i had a package on that plane & i recieved it 10 days after the crash it was wet & smokey but they stood by there money back garrentee if its lateFEDEX(the world on time) so DON'T WORRY ITS FEDEX ! i was also lucky, insurance $
sorry about my comment im just really tired, and English is not my 1st language , but I love aviation so I know its a real plane, i just meant a passenger plane!
It's sad. Heavy winds, possible shifting load and potentially difficult conditions all added to a tragic end. RIP to the pilots and condolences to their facilities.
That's what I was thinking: the hard drop caused a load shift and the pilot was not able to recover. Plus, it looks as if he was already committed to landing the plane, so I doubt he could lift off again.
Is it possible that one or more LD3/LD7 contairner load locks failed due to the rough landing resulting in cargo shifting and moving the CG out of place?
It is said the wind caused the aircraft to lose control at touch-down. However, would it be possible the cargo in the belly was not positioned correctly? It is known that sometimes the placement threshold is missed and adding the intensity of the wind, the plane lost control. Anybody?
I have 3100 hrs on MD-11's. This situation was demonstrated in the Sim.
The landing seemed normal except the nose came down too fast.
The reversers are popped as soon as the mains touch. #2 reverser causes the nose to pitch up slightly, the spoilers open (which cause a really big pitch up) at the same time that someone pulls back to stop the nose hitting. The aircraft is airborne...but the reversers are deployed..can't go around. Stuff the nose over and try to salvage the landing.
I definitely agree! In short, I'd say that since my next acft has been the amazing Boeing 747, the easiest aircraft ever for landing purposes, the Big Iron requires what is expected; i.e., a continuous rearward movement of the SW only, while landing the Nose Gear! Surprisingly, MD-11's impose the need of unexpected series of rear & forward motions and the always present threat of tail strike as well. It is NOT an easy aircraft to handle during landing roll, definitely! You're quite right!
Well, just call me Fla, if you wish, VNE, if I may! Well I'd say that we used reversers on #2 engine at major maintenance bases and before answering your question, there's a noticeable difference on pitch behavior just past touchdown. There's a huge tendency of pitching up while using #2 reverse. Counteracting it is somehow troublesome as compared to any other acft I've flown. I'll be right back . . . for space
Michael, I flew this bird from Dec1991, to May 1995 and did appreciate it; even while operating under high crosswinds. I transitioned from DC10, with VARIG. However, it's quite obvious that this particular acft features some design problem! Chances are that this is the 5th or 6th crash under the very same circumstance. . Poor guys . . .
Smaller stab compared to other airliners and the airplanes size making the control easyer than normal right? And by that you really need to watch out to not overdo your inputs? Ever experienced that flamarionalmeida?
You non pros/private pilots/flight sim pilots/wannabees needs to STFU. Your speculations are chatter from the peanut gallery. The MD-11 is reputed to be a handful in high winds. Let the investigation take its course before speculating.
you work for AIG, what the fuck would you know. You don't know anything about banking or insurance, let alone flying a heavy jet aircraft. So you should probably sit this one out on the dunce stool in the corner and show some bloody respect
that isnt something to be proud of!! banking and insurance are both a joke! fukk all the banksters of the world and their deliberate war on the middle class!! your time is finished here! grab your nothing and hold it tight you greedy blood sukkin leeches.
Well I have 18,500 hours flying heavy jets none on the MD11. I have a good idea of what happened but how could I post i am so humbled by the aces telling me to shut the fuck up I wouldn't dare say a word.
Probably the same noisy guys who sit around in the Flyers Narita telling war stories. Yoshi behind the bar has probably got all the info from you steely eyed whiz kids by now. The only thing I agree with is the need to wait for the results of the enquiry. Study the video for some clues.
Today, my sister graduates from university. my father work in shanghai, China. i was very glad to weather it is sunny this morning. but.... now, the very strong wind is blowing hard in tokyo, maybe in Narita. it makes this accident ... right? I dont have the specialy skills of weather information and physics. I also dont know the pilots and crews whose techniques and personality. but it will may be clearer ,few days later this accident.s by reports ``the cause``
Unless you have thousand of hours in heavy jets or have ever flown an MD-11, your comments on this accident should be kept to yourself. The MD-11 is a very challenging aircraft especially after flying all night into difficult conditions. Say a pray for the pilots and their family and leave it at that. [2] Which means, armchair pilots, SHUT THE FUCK UP! Damn, these guys think they're NTSB?
Unless you have thousand of hours in heavy jets or have ever flown an MD-11, your comments on this accident should be kept to yourself. The MD-11 is a very challenging aircraft especially after flying all night into difficult conditions. Say a pray for the pilots and their family and leave it at that.
It seems like they are landing way above Vref, and when the airplane bounces, it still have some speed allowing it to get airbourne again, but sadly to slow to keep it airbourne. So it stalled and went nose down..
I think it crashed due to propoising/bounce. In this case you can see that the a/c slams 1 time to the ground and bounces to the air and tends to put the nose down. Possibly, the pilot to counter-act this, tried to GA after the bounce but the plane unfortunately stalled with the left wing hiting the ground.
Are you a commercial pilot beergut111? If you are, you would know the procedure when landing in heavy crosswind? No? Well i'll tell you. You must land with a higher velocity than normal to get more effect mainly to the rudder, but also the remaining control surfaces. Thats why i said they were landing above Vref.. But hey.. I'm not NTSB, but when you have a passion for aviation like me, i don't think twice about throwing in my five cents when ever an accident occur.
yes I am a commercial pilot.....you said "WAY" above ref.....in calm winds they a re flying Vref+10 until short final.....with this winds they would probly be at Vref+15.....and since you wann throw attitude in there, i've forggoten more about aviatio then you'll ever know....if you wanna learn something then ill help you out...ok?
I agree SOP can differ from airline to airline. But in this case beergut didn't say that. He claimed "in calm winds they are flying Vref+10 until short final".... and in a most arrogant way to Neverxeed.
RWY 34, winds @ 2200z 31026G40KT
BTW the max xwind component was 20 knots (includes gust). Sine 30 degrees x 40 equals 20.
You would only be correct if the word "they" in the sentence you wrote really meant "where I am now" -- so unless you can prove the mishap crew would have flown as you indicated, you are wrong.
You said "in calm winds they are flying Vref+10 until short final.....with this winds they would probly be at Vref+15....."
Vapp is the greater of Vref+5 or Vref+wind additive.
Wind additive is one half of the steady state wind
greater than 20 kt or full gust whichever is greater
everyone incorrectly assumes it is approach speed.....but it's not. Vapp is what you fly if you do a single engine go-around....it's similar to V2, but diffrent because you're ina landing config.
since she's dead....I would assume yes....maybe it's best if you just read an learn instead of posting something.....anything else you wanna learn kid?
The Md11 manual says nothing about adding speed for crosswind landings. Vapp is normally Vref + 5, when steady state wind is less than 30 knots (crosswind/headwind--it doesn't matter) Vapp is Vref + 5. When there is a gust factor of more than 5 knots, (example 10 knots) then Vapp would be Vref + 10. So, "you must land with higher velocity" is not correct, more power in a strong crosswind, certainly. I think Neverexeed should think twice about commenting on an issue he knows little about.
MD11fr8dog2 is correct when he/she says the wind additive is not specifically for a crosswind. But certainly the power would have to come up on the throttles to compensate for the additional drag from the input of cross-controls.
In this case the crew would have flown VREF + 14 knots, so VAPP would be the normal calm-wind VAPP + 9 knots.
i,m very sorry for this accident for bussiness pepole , sigjtseeing people, non japanese. as a japanese students.
成田から、正確な情報が発信され、犠牲の
方が出ないことを願います。The international narita airpot homepage has been blocked.CNN commnts, mass communication in japan has been burned.今、この事件のために働いている方のprideを信じましょう。I believe people in narita who are working, or in the other place and all people.
フェニックスってなんだよ
MrYukiohashi 3 weeks ago
i chuj ,masakra
calodobowy 2 months ago
僕は、このときバリにいてめちゃめちゃ大ニュースになってて、１０分後シンガポールに飛ぶってのにビックリした。
iloveSouryuasuka 5 months ago
あれは酷かった
tacklemin 5 months ago
誤読・フェニックス言ったな。
tak12092510 6 months ago 7
パイロットにはご冥福をお祈り申し上げます。
しかし、バウンドしたとき、リバーサーかけたら死なずに済んだのでは？
105zitensya 8 months ago
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kayozun 10 months ago
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何なのかね人死んじゃってるのに滑走路を作らせない反対派 さっさと引っ越せよって感じ
ロシアにでも行けば嫌と言うほど土地あるぞ
nakayamaitiro 11 months ago
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TAKUYAuver5th 11 months ago
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横風用の滑走路もなく未だに完成しない継ぎ接ぎ空港＝成田空港
とっとと廃港にしたらいいのにね。田舎の空港で都内からだと不便きわまりないし
inteamp48 1 year ago
@inteamp48 たしかに不便すぎますよね！
seastar00k 5 months ago
MD-11 suxx, very dangerous plane.
rustamabd 1 year ago
@rustamabd it was a pilot error.. MD-11 never was a dangerous plane.
GameNewbie 11 months ago
I hear the reason of the crush was unprecedented wind that blew the plane onto the ground at the moment of landing.
artofnoise1 1 year ago 2
この事故は衝撃的でした。成田初の機体全損、乗員全員死亡のこの惨事が日本の航空安全のさらなる向上のための教訓として生かされて欲しいと思います。
亡くなった乗員の方お二人のご冥福をお祈りします。
5862smartfan 1 year ago
Verdict: The sensitive flight controls make the MD-11 hard to handle, which contributes to pilot error that can destroy the aircraft during hard landings...
FL410ZA 1 year ago
It takes a couple of seconds for the engines to spool up, so even if the pilots tried to do a go-around, they did not have another option but to fly her to the ground at first, or stall. There were 2 other MD-11's crashing the same way. 97, & 99. They speculate 3 causes/design flaws with the MD-11. #1 Unwanted pitching due a smaller elevator. #2 The controls are more sensitive than other aircraft.#3 Possible pilot error due to poor training on how to handle the plane if it moves erratically.
FL410ZA 1 year ago
10秒のとこ、アナウンサー
「フェニックス」って言ってますね。
tokyolovestory2002 1 year ago 3
成田空港の設置位置が悪い、気流の変化が激しい
oshan0710 1 year ago
Should have called off after the first bounce
thermo1984 1 year ago
Someon knows if there is some official report on this accident already?
sthral 2 years ago
@sthral A year has passed, and it is still under investigation.
mhirama 1 year ago
wow horrible anybody know what happened bad weather???
dimka171 2 years ago
I don't know the exact cause of the accident but I remember that that day was very strong wind all through the night and this happend in the morning.(I live pretty close to Narita) Another pilots were already reporting windshear around Narita airport few times which was also relayed to the Fedex 80 before this happend. Maybe the wind is one of the main cause.
Transfusions 2 years ago
thats interesting u think windshear??? it looks like they messed up on the landing bouncing around like rag dolls maybe pilot error?
dimka171 2 years ago
I want to beleive they were not stupid enough to nose dive in such a low altitude( 0:36 ). what I remember about the morning was the stormy wind burst like sound prevented me from sleeping. but Still unknown the real cause.
we need to wait till the investigator release some info.
Transfusions 2 years ago
yea thats true all we can do at the moment is speculate on the cause, and at :36 i think it was the cause of the plane bouncing already and hot having enough speed to go back up just came down nose first hard, how many casualtys? Im in the states and pritty sure we wont get much media attention here on the cause but if you please let me know soon as maybe they know something.
dimka171 2 years ago
i think it was pilot error
thedefiantrebel 2 years ago
二人のパイロットのご冥福をお祈りします。この事故が無駄にならないよう今後の再発防止にいかせれば、二人も報われると思います。
ssREVO1985 2 years ago 34
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potheking 2 years ago
FUCK YOU , dumb idiot -.-
It was a horrible accident, where people died, but you cant understand this. Probably you would, if one of you friends or family members going to die too -.-
online380 2 years ago
theres always a problem happening in the world
dragonjay619 2 years ago
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i really wish that people would get their facts right before parping on, they think they know everything yet they know fuck all..
Carlsbergx10 2 years ago
Horrific!
spinnersunite 2 years ago
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Bicnarok you piece of shit.
Chiledelaire 2 years ago
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very constructive criticism, grow a brain before you indulge in arguments with me you foolish wassack
bicnarok 2 years ago
Kari Mas Kari Mas Kari Mas Kari Mas What? That Eat Curry With mushroom ?
TreAldMatVideo2 2 years ago
May those pilots RIP... Horrible crash, that plane was doomed after the second hop. Weather? Wonder what the investigators will determine was the cause...
AtomicSubTech 2 years ago
Narita international airport says,
officail website says,
,,March 24th,Runway A Back in operation.
成田国際空港公式ウェブサイト
によれば
A滑走路の運用再開
KOnan8155 2 years ago
My sister's flight got canceled because of this plane. Just for the others who are worried, this plane was a Fed Ex Cargo plane, so no passengers besides the pilot. Any news on the pilot?
r3kop 2 years ago
Both pilots were killed.
miragesmack 2 years ago
It is true... there are striking similarities between this accident and FDX14 or China Airlines flight 642 (as wikipedia points out.) All of them came in with a high descent rate, bouced, entered a PIO cycle (worst thing that can happen in flight), hit hard, rolled inverted, spilled fuel which ignited...
Some time ago I found this (google for "That Tragic MD-11 Safety Record"), and it is bone-chilling... look at the part that talks about ERRATIC response to pilot input cose to the ground...
PaoloDelLungo 2 years ago
OMG!! :( R.I.P
Was it a 747?
GreekDestination 2 years ago
No, an MD-11F (freighter).
It is a tri-motor widebody, while the 747 has 4 engines. For more info wiki as usual.
PaoloDelLungo 2 years ago
Yeah you are right! sorry,i didn't notice that there were only 2 engines..low quality :(
GreekDestination 2 years ago
The MD-11 has 3 engines.
Spider6568 2 years ago
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Ghost4890 2 years ago
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You guys have NO CLUE what you're talking about. OBVIOUSLY they were landing on a treadmill. LOL bush sucks.
vanwack 2 years ago
damn... thats sad
sealswordroy 2 years ago
Sad stuff.
Looked like he came in slightly fast, bounced, stalled, bounced again and crash.
Fucking shame. RIP
RichyAVFC 2 years ago
Damn thats horrible looks like it porpoised
pwkflyer2009 2 years ago
I don't know if this was the same crash that I saw on CNN today or one of those news-type TV stations, and that one happened to look just like this video, and it was a Federal Express plane, and they stated that there were wind gusts up to 50 Mph that they were trying to deal with, so either the wind was blowing against the plane upward, causing them to have to put pressure downward, then, close to the ground there wasn't any wind, so the plane all of a sudden drops, landing hard, or...
BernieLJ77 2 years ago
...there wasn't much wind until they got close to the ground, then hitting a bad wind, maybe a crosswind lifting one wing, causing them to start to lose control, and being so close to the ground, there wasn't room to, or not enough time to, recover, but I don't know if this was the same plane I saw on the news channel or not, but it sure looks like the same video, except they panned a little more to the right, showing that it was a Fed-X plane. They said on the news that the crew died.
BernieLJ77 2 years ago
Well, I just saw the news report again, and I'm still not sure if this is the same plane or not, but it did say that it was a Federal Express plane, that there were two crew aboard, that they had died and that it was an airport in Japan where it landed, and it did look like just about the same video as this one. It's always sad to hear about things like this. They also said that they had 14 people die in another plane crash, 7 of them children, and ironically, they crashed in a cemetary.
BernieLJ77 2 years ago
the wind got under the plane after it rebounded from the ground. Poor guys :(
Tata996 2 years ago
I have no experience in the MD-11 but this sounds eerily familiar to the FDX md-11 at KEWR incident that happened not too long ago. FDX's MD-11 fleet mgr and their POI are gonna be really busy. Godspeed to the crew and their family and friends.
rjpilot 2 years ago
But if the spoiler would have been deployed, probably the aircraft should'nt bounce.
sthral 2 years ago
Unless there was a sudden gust of headwind, which the wings caught...
89Sunbird 2 years ago
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markmsee 2 years ago
RIP :-(
byron0375 2 years ago
damn RIP....thats reely sad
HeavyVerbzz 2 years ago
no its not!!
99knight 2 years ago
i think the crew has lived.
salalmian 2 years ago
no their all dead..
solidsnakeoj 2 years ago
Anyone think a possible cargo shift happened upon first contact with the ground ?
skink5150 2 years ago 5
That would be my guess.
kaaowen 2 years ago
They were trying to land and there was a strong crosswind, which caused the plane to lift again, then all it took was for the plane to start tilted, and the wind did the rest. Once it got under that wing, it just kept pushing it.
Bugstomper2 2 years ago
on touchdown the MD-11 has a pitch up characteristic when the spoilers deploy, so wind might not be a big part....
flighsimer 2 years ago
Good point...maybe its possible it pitched up, and there was enough headwind to lift it back off the ground...the decreased airflow combined with the pilot pushing down couldve caused the bounce, which resulted in the roll and fireball...
89Sunbird 2 years ago
Confirmed
Both Pilots Killed.
May they both Rest In Peace!
RIP
AIRLINECREW 2 years ago 3
fugging hell, not cool :/
JLYI:dot:NET
pardier 2 years ago
Why those pilot don't excute "Go-Around" when they encounter severe strong headwind (70KM/H=40Knots) and WindShear caution?
Is it save fuel important than plane safety?
appreciatelogistics 2 years ago
Let's stop talking about the technical stuff guys and lets hope that the crew is A-O-K.
CGFTT 2 years ago
We condole the death of a relative.
bornkung 2 years ago
The MD-11 is designed to operate with the CG as close to the aft limit as possible to minimize fuel burn on the long flights it is designed to fly. This sets the crews up for just this type of problem when attempting to land. I do not like that method of operating the aircraft just to save fuel, as it compromises safety.
JohnnyHaywood 2 years ago
The MD-11 is very pitch sensitive, to the point that it requires a LSAS (longitudinal stability augmentation system). However, it does not maintain the aft CG during Take-off/climbout or for the approach/landing.
It only maintains the aft CG (up to 32% MAC by pumping fuel in and out of the tail tank) during latter part of the climbout, cruise and initial portion of the descent.
gruibingen 2 years ago
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maybe they had a flashback and thought they were Kamikazee pilots
bicnarok 2 years ago
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Why would American pilots have a Kamikazee flashback?
bridgecross 2 years ago
has it ever occurred to you that not every plane landing in Japan is actually from Japan? What a retard. Show some bloody respect
toranamunter 2 years ago 3
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Respect to who, the dead. whats the point they´r dead?
Dick head.
bicnarok 2 years ago
Wow, you're an ass.
ChasenSFO 2 years ago
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rather be an ass than an dung brained ding bat
bicnarok 2 years ago
Those poor pilots, RIP gentlemen, so sad...
m47nyc 2 years ago 2
Sympathies are with the families. As an ex-Fedex person myself, this type of accident sometimes comes a bit too close to home. RIP.
brummieboxing 2 years ago
This video is Unbelievable!! Never seen anything like that before. However, the MD-11 might jump like this, with 50 flaps and if 1 and 3 enginges reverse prior to the no 2 (tail). But why it went that up, after the first flare, is something I cannot explain with opposite wind.
toy2day 2 years ago
I think the reversers was not deployed. The first action after the jump should be Go-Around. But the jet engine cant spool up in just 1 sec. (not including retract flaps and spoilers)... it's too late... RIP
archxp 2 years ago
The MD-11 has a tendancy to flare on spoiler deployment, if you watch, the nose wheel goes down then the spoilers will deploy but the nosewheel goes back up. Pilot should have held the flare, but he seems to nose pitch down, therefore the sinkrate becomes too high and he probably collapsed the landing gear. Just seems to be a repeat of the crash at EWR.
globalste 2 years ago
globalste, you saw the (EWR)newark airport crash, i seen it happen right infront of me years back, what a lightshow there was sparks then flames everwhere,mail was all over the place the plane broke into several pieces. THE CREW EXSCAPED THRU A HATCH..they were lucky!!! i had a package on that plane & i recieved it 10 days after the crash it was wet & smokey but they stood by there money back garrentee if its lateFEDEX(the world on time) so DON'T WORRY ITS FEDEX ! i was also lucky, insurance $
daewooparts 2 years ago
yeahh now confirmed. both crew dead. may their souls rest in peace.
chetan787 2 years ago
Holy Cow!
neil9327 2 years ago
Reason to accident is maybe failure of airbrakes, the plane got lift after touchdown. (of this video)
xeppo 2 years ago
Tragic.......RIP
gertexan 2 years ago
The pilots probably lost conciousness from the shock when the plane first touched the ground.
In a hard landing like this, it is neer impossible to recover.
We'll see what happened when the analyzing of the flight recorder finishes.
maximd18 2 years ago
sorry about my comment im just really tired, and English is not my 1st language , but I love aviation so I know its a real plane, i just meant a passenger plane!
ill go to bed now lol
xhappyxlifex 2 years ago
helloo alll no speculations please..bbc says the crew has survived.
chetan787 2 years ago
Unfortunately, Japanese news programs said two crews are dead. Thier death was confirmed by Japanese police.
tkimura79 2 years ago
Fedex's website sadly confirms the death of the two pilots.
tacomadudefl 2 years ago 2
It's sad. Heavy winds, possible shifting load and potentially difficult conditions all added to a tragic end. RIP to the pilots and condolences to their facilities.
aliensporebomb 2 years ago
RIP :(
sjfouts 2 years ago
Let's just think of the families that have lost to members of their family and FedEx lost two dedicated pilots.
DRadioflyer 2 years ago
That's what I was thinking: the hard drop caused a load shift and the pilot was not able to recover. Plus, it looks as if he was already committed to landing the plane, so I doubt he could lift off again.
Revelation181 2 years ago
Is it possible that one or more LD3/LD7 contairner load locks failed due to the rough landing resulting in cargo shifting and moving the CG out of place?
rnech 2 years ago
ご冥福
love2646 2 years ago
very sad accident
May God be with them......
mickdobbles 2 years ago
My heart goes out to the families of the pilot and first officer.
Thermactor 2 years ago
What kind of aircraft is this?
was there any passenger in there?
nilgol1 2 years ago
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xhappyxlifex 2 years ago
A Cargo plane is a real plane ;)
It is verry sad that this happen.
reinoud11 2 years ago
what the fuck do you mean a real plane retard? you think they fly cargo in toy planes?
youareallchumps 2 years ago
Page Norm 10-38
After touchdown, fly nosewheel to the
runway while raising reverse levers to
reverse idle....
Maximum reverse thrust may be selected without delay and may occur prior to nosewheel touchdown.
Ground spoiler deployment causes nose up pitching moment. This effect is most noticeable at aft centers of gravity, It is
important to check the nose up pitching tendency with forward pressure on the control column.
Speculation, but if they pulled back to save the nose hitting...
D2TH 2 years ago
It is said the wind caused the aircraft to lose control at touch-down. However, would it be possible the cargo in the belly was not positioned correctly? It is known that sometimes the placement threshold is missed and adding the intensity of the wind, the plane lost control. Anybody?
mimana2 2 years ago
1) To clarify Vapp...
MD-11 FLIGHT CREW OPERATING MANUAL Vol. II
Page NORM-10-33
VAPP is the greater of VREF + 5 or VREF + wind additive.
Wind additive is one-half of the steady state wind greater
than 20 knots or full gust, whichever is greater (maximum 20
knots).
2) You can't go around after deploying the reversers. One way or another, you are committed to landing.
D2TH 2 years ago
I have 3100 hrs on MD-11's. This situation was demonstrated in the Sim.
The landing seemed normal except the nose came down too fast.
The reversers are popped as soon as the mains touch. #2 reverser causes the nose to pitch up slightly, the spoilers open (which cause a really big pitch up) at the same time that someone pulls back to stop the nose hitting. The aircraft is airborne...but the reversers are deployed..can't go around. Stuff the nose over and try to salvage the landing.
Sad. RIP
D2TH 2 years ago 3
I definitely agree! In short, I'd say that since my next acft has been the amazing Boeing 747, the easiest aircraft ever for landing purposes, the Big Iron requires what is expected; i.e., a continuous rearward movement of the SW only, while landing the Nose Gear! Surprisingly, MD-11's impose the need of unexpected series of rear & forward motions and the always present threat of tail strike as well. It is NOT an easy aircraft to handle during landing roll, definitely! You're quite right!
flamarionalmeida 2 years ago 3
Well, just call me Fla, if you wish, VNE, if I may! Well I'd say that we used reversers on #2 engine at major maintenance bases and before answering your question, there's a noticeable difference on pitch behavior just past touchdown. There's a huge tendency of pitching up while using #2 reverse. Counteracting it is somehow troublesome as compared to any other acft I've flown. I'll be right back . . . for space
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VIPnanohaVIP 2 years ago
Michael, I flew this bird from Dec1991, to May 1995 and did appreciate it; even while operating under high crosswinds. I transitioned from DC10, with VARIG. However, it's quite obvious that this particular acft features some design problem! Chances are that this is the 5th or 6th crash under the very same circumstance. . Poor guys . . .
flamarionalmeida 2 years ago
Smaller stab compared to other airliners and the airplanes size making the control easyer than normal right? And by that you really need to watch out to not overdo your inputs? Ever experienced that flamarionalmeida?
Neverexeed 2 years ago
You non pros/private pilots/flight sim pilots/wannabees needs to STFU. Your speculations are chatter from the peanut gallery. The MD-11 is reputed to be a handful in high winds. Let the investigation take its course before speculating.
RayG68 2 years ago 4
I think he or she should have done a go around.RIP....
AIGemployee 2 years ago
you work for AIG, what the fuck would you know. You don't know anything about banking or insurance, let alone flying a heavy jet aircraft. So you should probably sit this one out on the dunce stool in the corner and show some bloody respect
toranamunter 2 years ago
that isnt something to be proud of!! banking and insurance are both a joke! fukk all the banksters of the world and their deliberate war on the middle class!! your time is finished here! grab your nothing and hold it tight you greedy blood sukkin leeches.
000Dissenter000 2 years ago
Well I have 18,500 hours flying heavy jets none on the MD11. I have a good idea of what happened but how could I post i am so humbled by the aces telling me to shut the fuck up I wouldn't dare say a word.
Probably the same noisy guys who sit around in the Flyers Narita telling war stories. Yoshi behind the bar has probably got all the info from you steely eyed whiz kids by now. The only thing I agree with is the need to wait for the results of the enquiry. Study the video for some clues.
smichael888 2 years ago 2
now, TV news said "pilot & co-pilot dead in hospital".
very sad accident...
HanaG 2 years ago
My heart and prayer go out to the pilots and their families!!
A very scary scene to watch, not to mention what those pilots had gone through~~~~~~
May God be with them......
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KOnan8155 2 years ago
Unless you have thousand of hours in heavy jets or have ever flown an MD-11, your comments on this accident should be kept to yourself. The MD-11 is a very challenging aircraft especially after flying all night into difficult conditions. Say a pray for the pilots and their family and leave it at that. [2] Which means, armchair pilots, SHUT THE FUCK UP! Damn, these guys think they're NTSB?
recacon3 2 years ago
Thanks for the info. I remember the EWR accident because I used to commute right next to the airport on NJ turnpike.
satokok 2 years ago
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Pilot error
cortezpilot 2 years ago
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毎日新聞 everyday news （mai,nichi shinbun）
says
two crews whose hearts are stopping now.
乗員二人心肺停止
KOnan8155 2 years ago
Today, it is north wind, huge level. 46-72mph.
roadbiker1965 2 years ago
That's sad way above ref, bounce of doom. Most can recover from this but I don't know these peoples training...
PresidenToor 2 years ago
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md11fr8dog2 2 years ago
Unless you have thousand of hours in heavy jets or have ever flown an MD-11, your comments on this accident should be kept to yourself. The MD-11 is a very challenging aircraft especially after flying all night into difficult conditions. Say a pray for the pilots and their family and leave it at that.
md11fr8dog2 2 years ago
That is so sad...
maosoon 2 years ago
Because of left-wing extremists, Narita airport, which should be the main entrance of Japan, has not completed yet.
A runway for cross-wind landing has yet to be constructed!!!
F*ck
matunohappa 2 years ago
don't be stupid
RayG68 2 years ago
Oh no this is terrible.. My god...
It seems like they are landing way above Vref, and when the airplane bounces, it still have some speed allowing it to get airbourne again, but sadly to slow to keep it airbourne. So it stalled and went nose down..
So sad.. My thoughts go out to the crew.
Neverexeed 2 years ago
Bad bounce, left main gear collapse / wing broke off, right wing still producing lift and rolling it over on it's back
twottadriver 2 years ago
I think it crashed due to propoising/bounce. In this case you can see that the a/c slams 1 time to the ground and bounces to the air and tends to put the nose down. Possibly, the pilot to counter-act this, tried to GA after the bounce but the plane unfortunately stalled with the left wing hiting the ground.
lonepilot 2 years ago
correction, it bounces 2 times
lonepilot 2 years ago
Exactly right. Add to that 30kt gusts were reported at the time.
I bounced hard similar to that once. At least I was able to utilize power, and go around.
I couldn't hear spool up, so not sure if they tried to or not.
Prayers for the pilots and their families.
pizamoto 2 years ago 2
it is so sad... :(
this was the report at RJAA
RJAA 222238Z 30019G32KT 9999 FEW030 12/M03 Q1002 WS R34R RMK 1CU030 A2959
lonepilot 2 years ago
they wern't landing way above ref.....that is dumb....these are the best pilots in the world. If they screw up it wont be because of that.
beergut111 2 years ago
Are you a commercial pilot beergut111? If you are, you would know the procedure when landing in heavy crosswind? No? Well i'll tell you. You must land with a higher velocity than normal to get more effect mainly to the rudder, but also the remaining control surfaces. Thats why i said they were landing above Vref.. But hey.. I'm not NTSB, but when you have a passion for aviation like me, i don't think twice about throwing in my five cents when ever an accident occur.
Neverexeed 2 years ago
yes I am a commercial pilot.....you said "WAY" above ref.....in calm winds they a re flying Vref+10 until short final.....with this winds they would probly be at Vref+15.....and since you wann throw attitude in there, i've forggoten more about aviatio then you'll ever know....if you wanna learn something then ill help you out...ok?
beergut111 2 years ago
both wrong
Vref +5 in calm winds
yeahlikewhatever 2 years ago
well i dont work for fedex nor have i floen the -11 in about 10 years.....where im at now we fly +10......so im not wrong....anything else?
beergut111 2 years ago
i agree with you every airline has there own SOP regarding Vref so it is difficult to really say but +5 and +10 are the most common
rmhoman 2 years ago
I agree SOP can differ from airline to airline. But in this case beergut didn't say that. He claimed "in calm winds they are flying Vref+10 until short final".... and in a most arrogant way to Neverxeed.
RWY 34, winds @ 2200z 31026G40KT
BTW the max xwind component was 20 knots (includes gust). Sine 30 degrees x 40 equals 20.
yeahlikewhatever 2 years ago
You would only be correct if the word "they" in the sentence you wrote really meant "where I am now" -- so unless you can prove the mishap crew would have flown as you indicated, you are wrong.
You said "in calm winds they are flying Vref+10 until short final.....with this winds they would probly be at Vref+15....."
Vapp is the greater of Vref+5 or Vref+wind additive.
Wind additive is one half of the steady state wind
greater than 20 kt or full gust whichever is greater
(maximum 20 kt).
yeahlikewhatever 2 years ago
Vapp has nothing to do with landing.....Vapp is your single engine go around climb speed....
beergut111 2 years ago
everyone incorrectly assumes it is approach speed.....but it's not. Vapp is what you fly if you do a single engine go-around....it's similar to V2, but diffrent because you're ina landing config.
beergut111 2 years ago
Does your mother know you are sitting at the computer impersonating a pilot?
yeahlikewhatever 2 years ago
since she's dead....I would assume yes....maybe it's best if you just read an learn instead of posting something.....anything else you wanna learn kid?
beergut111 2 years ago
The Md11 manual says nothing about adding speed for crosswind landings. Vapp is normally Vref + 5, when steady state wind is less than 30 knots (crosswind/headwind--it doesn't matter) Vapp is Vref + 5. When there is a gust factor of more than 5 knots, (example 10 knots) then Vapp would be Vref + 10. So, "you must land with higher velocity" is not correct, more power in a strong crosswind, certainly. I think Neverexeed should think twice about commenting on an issue he knows little about.
md11fr8dog2 2 years ago
MD11fr8dog2 is correct when he/she says the wind additive is not specifically for a crosswind. But certainly the power would have to come up on the throttles to compensate for the additional drag from the input of cross-controls.
In this case the crew would have flown VREF + 14 knots, so VAPP would be the normal calm-wind VAPP + 9 knots.
RWY 34, winds @ 2200z 31026G40KT
yeahlikewhatever 2 years ago
Sad, another MD-11 is lost
loploro 2 years ago
Ground stall?
TBinSTL 2 years ago
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yea, I think so. but i do,nt know correct words.
i,m not native speaker.
maybe, accident or, crash, fall.
KOnan8155 2 years ago
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i,m very sorry for this accident for bussiness pepole , sigjtseeing people, non japanese. as a japanese students.
成田から、正確な情報が発信され、犠牲の
方が出ないことを願います。The international narita airpot homepage has been blocked.CNN commnts, mass communication in japan has been burned.今、この事件のために働いている方のprideを信じましょう。I believe people in narita who are working, or in the other place and all people.
KOnan8155 2 years ago
it was also the Fedex cargo and the same MD-11, wasn't it?
satokok 2 years ago
holy shit
cntnuous 2 years ago
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Mouhahahahaha So Japanese got Itechnologie ? :noel:
ColThomas62210 2 years ago
This really doesn't make sense.
marymactavish 2 years ago
holy crap
InuyashaKnight 2 years ago
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うｐテレ朝よりはええ
ducatidesmosedicirr 2 years ago
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はえーな乙
tigerdaddy 2 years ago
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lol
potheking 2 years ago
What's so fuuny? I just saw pilots were rescued and it looked they were dead.
Transfusions 2 years ago
That's an oxy moron... how could they be "rescued" if they were already dead?
FlyAAJets 2 years ago
1. I wasn't even speaking to you but to "potheking"
2. I said it looked. I didn't say there were absolutly dead.
3. This situation is not the thing to laught like "LoL" which potheking did.
4. What I can assure you 100% is your rudeness.
Transfusions 2 years ago
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roflmao
potheking 2 years ago
what you think thats funny? Both the pilots lost their lives! U r just sick! R.I.P.
VS242424 2 years ago
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it¨s cool how the plan crashes. it's funny!
potheking 2 years ago
If you think thats funny theres something wrong with you! People lost their lives and u find it funny! How pathetic! Disgraceful!
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