The Mormons/LDS church RUN this organization. They encouraged its build, they fund it immensely and they use the Catholic people like Maggie as Red Herring pawns in the gay marriage chess board so they wont get bad press for their church. People should fear that insidious so called religion rather than this organization
@smartwarlord The law is to uphold the freedoms of all people. not to refuse them their freedom. If we do that, there will be riots and protests that will go tenfold where it becomes a civil war against those suppose gay marriage and those who don't. And trust me after that. The National debt will skyrocket so far, we might as well sell this land, cause we couldn't give freedom to all people.
If NOM(National Organization for Marriage) was REALLY concerned with families and children they wouldnt raise millions to fight gays, they would raise millions to help families and children in need, on welfare, going hungry, people who could USE those fundraising skills
The justification for mistreating LGBT people stems from an underlying belief that if you make life miserable enough for us, gay men will eventually become sexually attracted to females, post op transgender folk will seek regression surgery, blah blah. Bizarre! The fact is, I cannot convert you into a homosexual, and have no desire to, so stop trying to make us into white, protestant, right handed heterosexuals. People are the way they are - different. We're hurting no-none so live and let live.
it's no secret. it's no conspiracy theory on late night Fox news chalk boards. it's real. if you think they will stop there you are mistaken. remember Wisconsin folks, they are coming after you next. Rethuglicans need to learn that they can no longer buy out America with the revisionist histories of spokeswoman (bachmann) and shiny breathie barbie doll spokeswoman (Palin), don't let the churches determine your fate. Remember Wisconsin they will be after you next.
I just sent some money to NOM..... its tough for me as an atheist, because i don't know whats worse, religious wackos or confused homosexuals, i think that hardcore bible bumpers should breed with homosexuals so the kids would be normal.
I'm not so sure that this a reality tested theory. However, if it happens to be true then so what? Gay people don't want attention, we want equal rights. We want the right to make the one non-related Adult that we love, legally our next of Kin in legal marriage. We want our children to know that their parents are not an unequal minority, but have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. Being ignored is doesn't matter.
Not only that but these militant gays want to exterminate religious freedom.
The freedom that allows the major religions of the world to voice the opinion that same sex marriage is not a good thing.
Let's remember that there are approx. 1 Billion Catholics, 1 Billion other Christians and about 1 Billion Islamic and here in The United States, about 81% of us self-identify as Christian.
@eddiestardust "Not only that but these militant gays want to exterminate religious freedom."
I think you 'meant' to say that religious people fear losing their freedom to have 'control'. Not their 'freedom' to voice their opinions. You fear the day when you stop becoming the majority, and start becoming the minority. And when you become the minority, you shall be treated the same way that you treated minorities when you were the majority. Have you treated all minority groups well?
@eddiestardust "The freedom that allows the major religions of the world to voice the opinion that same sex marriage is not a good thing"
I haven't seen one American law that inhibits the free speech of anyone, religious or not. Not one same sex marriage/Anti-discrimination bill has included the criminalization of free speech opposing gay marriage in its clause. So the question is, where is your evidence that gays want to exterminate religious people's right to be against them?
@eddiestardust "Billion Catholics, 1 Billion other Christians. The United States, about 81% of us self-identify as Christian."
It doesn't matter if 7 billion people were Christians. Here in America, we adhere to Our Constitutional principles of Freedom and Equality under the law, unless there is logical evidence to discriminate (like our discrimination against Child Abusers). Where is the logical evidence that makes it imperative that gay marriage never be allowed?
@5koorb "When they wrote that constitution, they didn't think homosexuals were going to be a problem"
When they wrote the constitution, they didn't think that women or slaves would be a 'problem' either. That's why I said we adhere to our 'constitutional principles of freedom and equality'. I didn't say we adhere to our Founding Father's interpretation of Freedom and Equality (which excluded anyone who wasn't a white heterosexual Male).
@biggtk So brave, so bold you are, funny how thousands of years of gender/skin color or race or whatever you want to call it got us to this point, but for some reason the last 50 years have been pretty worthless, odd don't you think? You call that progress? Broken homes and handout states, show me any examples of progress, at what point do you stop trying to paddle up stream? I prefer not to spend my entire life on 2 people of the same gender trying to get a piece of paper.
@5koorb "years of gender/skin color or race or whatever you want to call it got us to this point. You call that progress?"
Gender, Skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc doesn't make or break Mankind's progress. It's the acceptance of those who are different from you (provided their 'difference' isn't physically harming you or infringing on your civil rights), that allows humanity to progress further towards its full potential.
This existed before gay marriage even came into the picture. Don't forget that heterosexuals have always been the majority throughout Human History, and homes have been broken since the beginning of human civilization. You can't blame any of this on social progress.
@biggtk Divorce rates have never been higher, drop out rates have never been higher, i don't know for sure but i bet teen pregnancy has to be pretty high up there, and i'm an atheist. What I do see is alot of people wanting alot of things but they aren't will to sacrifice or give anything in return..... Gimme gimme gimme gimme, because it's our right, I go to vancouver to get on a cruise ship to alaska, and there is a gay pride parade with dudes running around in rubber thongs, really?
@5koorb "What I do see is alot of people wanting alot of things but they aren't will to sacrifice or give anything in return..... Gimme gimme gimme gimme, because it's our right"
What does one need to sacrifice to have equal civil rights? What does the majority sacrifice to have all of the rights they do?
@biggtk Well then i want the right to call someone whatever i want without being charged with a "hate crime" where are my rights? Why can't i verbally hate whoever i want? I'm not looking to put my hands on anyone, but i can't say what i want without going to jail? Really?
@5koorb "Why can't i verbally hate whoever i want"
Neo-Nazis just held a nice little meeting here where I live. If it is a crime to verbally hate people, then why were these neo-nazis charged with any crime? Oh that's right, because they are allowed to 'say' whatever they want, as long as they don't commit a crime (break the law). The same goes for you and anyone else who wants to fulfill their hateful heart's verbal desire.
@biggtk I don't hate anyone unless they do something to me first, being a man of science and atheism, i find more interest in trying to figure out what is going on with them physically and mentally vs just standing around trying to make myself feel good about "standing for some cause"
@5koorb "I don't hate anyone unless they do something to me first, being a man of science and atheism"
Sure buddy.
"i find more interest in trying to figure out what is going on with them physically and mentally vs just standing around trying to make myself feel good about "standing for some cause"
@biggtk Well i've spoken out about catholics, i've spoken out about abortion issues, i've spoken out about stem cell research...... I got to bars where there are gays, it's when they do the "flaming" thing is what i don't understand, or when women want to cut their hair short and wear boots and act like guys.....
@5koorb "it's when they do the "flaming" thing is what i don't understand, or when women want to cut their hair short and wear boots and act like guys"
You're saying that man's character is based on his short hair cut and boots? The truth is that clothes don't make a man or a woman. However, there exist masculine men and women, and feminine men and women. This is just who they are. The clothes anyone wears is nothing more than what that particular person feels comfortable wearing.
@5koorb "I'm not looking to put my hands on anyone, but i can't say what i want without going to jail"
Oh this happened to you recently? Perhaps you can point out (actually quote) a law in which people go to jail to participating in verbal messages of hate?
@biggtk I've never done or been in the situation for it, maybe i'm wrong but it seems like noone can have an open public opinion without the cops being involved or being a bigot or hateful. I don't hate gays or lesbians but as soon as i have conversation like this in public i'm immediately a bigot or sexist or racist or hateful.....
@5koorb "'ve never done or been in the situation for it, maybe i'm wrong but it seems like noone can have an open public opinion without the cops being involved or being a bigot or hateful"
The cops show up to 'protect' hateful groups, not arrest them (unless they physically break the law). You need to get out more.
@5koorb "as soon as i have conversation like this in public i'm immediately a bigot or sexist or racist or hateful"
If the shoe fits. I'm sorry but you can't give irrational beliefs that are based on debasing the lives of a group of people, and expect people not to call you out on your bullshit. You want to be able to have free speech, but want to refuse other people the right to freely denounce your speech any way they see fit (as long as they don't break the law). Why the hypocrisy?
@biggtk Irrational beliefs? Homosexuals can't breed, fecal matter is a bacteria, so where it is kept is not a place to play around, those aren't beliefs those are facts.
That's not how the lesbian couple down the street, in which both mothers gave birth to children feel. But then again, a male rapist can breed with his female victim. Does that make it okay?
"fecal matter is a bacteria, so where it is kept is not a place to play around"
That's what enemas are for number one. Number two, I don't hear you complaining about men having anal sex with women. Why?
@biggtk Regardless of gender anal sex isn't right.... The lesbian couple down the street, cheated nature.... There you go again with the if it's ok for one group it should be ok for another group.... you can't simply state if it is OK period.
@5koorb "Regardless of gender anal sex isn't right"
The male G spot in the anus, and the prostate disagree with you on that one. But I'm sure you'll say that these things exist to give men orgasmic experiences while they defecate.
" The lesbian couple down the street, cheated nature"
I "cheated" nature this morning by driving my car. But so what? Again, what natural scientific guidelines makes it imperative that all 'natural' occurrences of breeding, validate a relationship?
@biggtk There has never been any scientific label to a "male g-spot" the term g-spot was for females, males simply took the term and applied it to their lifestyle to feel equal to women, and by stopping the fluid flow through the prostate by manipulating the prostate, sure, would create a sensation, but so does pinching skin, is that also erotic? Why does one saying they feel something for someone validate a relationship?
@5koorb "There has never been any scientific label to a "male g-spot" the term g-spot was for females, males simply took the term and applied it to their lifestyle to feel equal to women"
Actually no, it does exist. It's (prostate) located along the Front walls of Anus. It's shaped like a walnut when aroused.
@biggtk Oh yea, along the walls of the asshole, oh yea makes perfect sense. I believe past the asshole, you're in the rectum, so if rubbing things along the rectum is an erogenous zone, you don't see the problem with that? Many people find anal sex pleasurable, and some may reach orgasm—through stimulation of the prostate in men, and clitoral and G-Spot stimulation in women. You see how it says g-spot in women, that gay literature you're reading has you confused, whatever makes you feel equal.
@5koorb " I believe past the asshole, you're in the rectum, so if rubbing things along the rectum is an erogenous zone, you don't see the problem with that?"
I didn't say anything about a rectum. I said the male G-spot is located on the front wall of the anus. The G-spot alone becomes an erogenous zone when stimulated. Nothing has to be rubbed against the rectum. So what are you talking about?
It's not a fact that homosexuals can't breed. I think you mean that they can't breed with someone of the same sex. That is a fact. But the operative question is so what? On what scientific basis is it imperative that every relationship sexual reproduce children to be validated? As far as fecal matter goes, a clean gay guy (which most of them pretty much are), know how to have clean and safe anal sex, free of fecal matter. So...
@biggtk So what, right? Well then i say so what if they can't be legally married. Clean and safe anal sex you say? The statistics on HIV/AIDS led one group, the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, to state in 2006 that HIV/AIDS is a "gay disease," in a billboard ad campaign geared to reducing rates of HIV infection. You're blinded by your own stupidity, the very group you support says the opposite of what you've said.
@5koorb "Well then i say so what if they can't be legally married"
And I say, defying the Constitutional principles of our Country matters more than your irrational presuppositions. You see how I gave a logical reason for your statement of apathy?
@5koorb "The statistics on HIV/AIDS led one group, the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, to state in 2006 that HIV/AIDS is a "gay disease," in a billboard ad campaign geared to reducing rates of HIV infection"
@biggtk Dude, just use google, cut and paste that in your google bar, unless of course you're a crapple user, which judging by your beliefs you probably are. But i could save you the time and just say CDC.
@5koorb "and there is a gay pride parade with dudes running around in rubber thong"
What's the difference b/w this and a mardi gras parade? Why is it that people only notice when gay men are running around scantily clad outfits, but not heterosexuals? What's with the double standard? Have you seen what people do to get the opposite sex to notice them during mardi gras?
@biggtk How come when i ask you about homosexual actions or progress or anything else you can't justify it you simply try and say "well they do it to" or "look at what they do", thats how you have a conversation and or debate? You're kinda shortsighted you know/.
@biggtk I said teen pregnancy, you said thats not us, I said divorce you said thats not us, i said broken homes you said thats not us, all in reference to your claim to progress of the last couple decades......
@5koorb "I said teen pregnancy, you said thats not us"
You're suggesting that gay relationships have something to do with teen pregnancy? Do you have proof of this? If not, what does it have to do with our debate? That's the point I was making. No justification needed.
@biggtk None of those things have to do with homosexuals, but this conversation started out marriage equality had something to do with progress in this country and womens rights and race rights, yada yada, this country has been on a down hill spiral since the 60's.... I was pointing out your "progress"
No I didn't. I said that heterosexuals make up the majority of married couples(therefore divorced couples). And that gay people (who can't even get married in most states), have nothing to do with the divorce rates. Unless you have proof suggesting otherwise? No, then what does divorce have to do with our debate? That was my point.
@5koorb "all in reference to your claim to progress of the last couple decades"
I've already told you my view on what has progressed since the Constitution was drafted in the 18th Century. Pregnancy and Divorce never made it on my list. So what are you talking about? That because pregnancy and Divorce have regressed, that no amount of progression that we have had matters?
@5koorb "So you don't think that "progression" had a direct result of any of the problems i mentioned"
Of the progression that I have previously mentioned? No. How can giving equal rights to women, children, minorities, the disabled, non-christians, and to some extents homosexuals, cause higher teen pregnancy and Divorce rates? Your presuppositions are more superstitious fallacy than rationally logical.
But do you have data to back up your opinion? I could get data that backs up words saying the earth is flat. But so what? When you provide evidence that starts linking up your 'opinion' to the realistic facts of this world, then I'll start believing what you say.
@5koorb "Medical reasons are the only reason i can see for needing"
That's what 'you' can see. You're making your choice. Allow others to have the right to make theirs. Personally except for inheritance, medical, and adoption issues, I'd prefer the government to get out of marriage altogether.
@5koorb Why? Because it's not right for anyone to be taxed more or less simply based on their marriage status. But you still need a legal document that makes you and another person as the closest kin for other issues.
Examples of progress can be seen in our Anti-discrimination laws. There was a time when no one but white heterosexual males were protected by law. Now, so are women, non-whites, non-Christians, the disabled, children, and in some states homosexuals. Of course it's not perfect. But that's the point of social progress, to move closer and closer to non-rational discrimination being absolutely forbidden by law.
@5koorb "I prefer not to spend my entire life on 2 people of the same gender trying to get a piece of paper"
It's not the paper. It's the rights that are given by our government based on marriage. That's what 'civil' marriage is. The government doesn't give anyone a genuine or aesthetically pleasing marriage (that's the responsibility of the couple), but they do give thousands of rights to married couples.
@biggtk Thousands of rights? Get serious.... It's not a matter of being excluded it's a matter of why are we wasting so much time and energy on including, there are alot of other social issues we should be working on besides Joe and Josh being married....
@5koorb "It's not a matter of being excluded it's a matter of why are we wasting so much time and energy on including"
Because it's un-American to exclude legal tax paying citizens from enjoying the same rights as others, without there being any logical evidence to show why they shouldn't have the right. It's not my fault that I pay allegiance to our Constitutional principles.
@5koorb Not to mention the fact that thousands of gay people need these rights, otherwise life becomes much harder for them and their families. The only reason you can't understand this is because you're not the one that has to go through it.
@biggtk Medical reasons are the only reason i can see for needing of anything outside of that you can't convince me they need anything, i've been living with the same person for 4 years and we're not looking to get paper married.....
@biggtk See thats a another issue, LGBT, wtf is that? Sure i can tolerate lesbians and gays, but wtf is a bi-sexual transgender, wtf is that? If someone thinks they need to go to the extent of surgery and, here, you ready for this, hormone therapy, well then lets work on providing hormone therapy for the lesbians and gays and maybe we can correct this mess.
@5koorb "if i wanted to point fingers i would start talking about HIV rates."
What? You mean like how heterosexuals make up the most people worldwide infected HIV/AIDS? If you wanna talk about statistics, can we discuss how heterosexual Men are more likely to sexually abuse Women, Men, girls, boys, and infants?
@5koorb "Really you're going to try quantity vs percentage? Really?"
Yes, and no. In America gay men (not gay women) may acquire for 70% of HIV infections, but in AFRICA, where the most people have AIDS/HIV, heterosexuals make up 90% of HIV infections.
@5koorb "You really want to bring up the behaviors of africans into this"
My statement wasn't about the behaviors of Africans. By mentioning HIV you implied a negative connotation to validity of gay male homosexuality. My response about different HIV statistics for different countries proves that it's not a predominantly gay male homosexual problem. Why? Because in countries like Africa, heterosexuals account for more than 90% of HIV infections. Do try and keep up.
@biggtk Well in civilized societies, AIDS Rate 50 Times Higher in Homosexual Men, why do you try to spin things? You're wrong man..... I don't have to keep up, i've had this conversation hundreds of times.....
@5koorb "Well in civilized societies, AIDS Rate 50 Times Higher in Homosexual Men"
What is your definition of civilized societies? And why do you always leave other homosexuals out, like gay women? Whom have the lowest HIV rates than any other group. My point is to show you the illogical fallacies that you're attempting to create with your statistics.
@biggtk By recently admitting that 'HIV is a gay disease,' Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death." When homosexuals start leading productive healthy lives, people like myself might take them more seriously but until then they are a hazard to humans. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the wa
@5koorb "the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death"
Another fallacious statement that lacks logical/factual merit. Firstly, there's no such thing as a gay lifestyle. Secondly, by the way you've worded (or maybe quoted) this statement, I think it's really important that you provide a source to this HIVE is a gay disease spiel.
@biggtk Earlier this year, as another example, the Centers for Disease Control released a statistical report indicating that homosexual men made up 65 percent of the reported primary and secondary syphilis cases in 2007. A report from the Public Health Agency of Canada in 2006 revealed that 51 percent of people infected with HIV in the country were homosexual men Clean alright, they are rocking clean when i look up clean in the dictionary i see a picture of eltonjohn and ellendegenerate
@5koorb Thirdly, your statement excludes lesbians yet again. And fourthly, it is unsafe sex that causes higher infections, not gay sex in itself. Which would explain why straight people get AIDS too. And because heterosexuals are 'taught' to have safe sex, as opposed to gay people being taught the same, it makes logical sense in this country that heterosexuals would be able to apply what they've learned as far as protecting themselves goes.
@biggtk The double-digit increase in young gay men is about 10 times higher than in the homosexual community overall, where the number of new infections is going up about 1.5 percent a year. The report, released yesterday by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, appears to confirm impressions that a "second-wave" AIDS epidemic is underway in gay America.
@5koorb "The double-digit increase in young gay men is about 10 times higher than in the homosexual community overall, where the number of new infections is going up about 1.5 percent a year. The report, released yesterday by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, appears to confirm impressions that a "second-wave" AIDS epidemic is underway in gay America"
@5koorb "When homosexuals start leading productive healthy lives, people like myself might take them more seriously but until then they are a hazard to humans."
There are more heterosexuals who live unhealthy lives than homosexuals. That's a fact. So I doubt you'll ever take homosexuals seriously. Bigoted homophobes never really do.
Once again, on a percentage basis you're wrong. I don't fear them, i would like to help them. If a child eats dirt and gets sick, do you continue to tell that child it has the right to eat dirt? What if it wants to eat dirt, what if it thinks eating dirt is right, and since it has the ability and or desire to eat dirt, who are you to tell that child it's wrong for eating dirt? Maybe the dirt triggers a g-spot? Maybe homosexuals are just fucked in the head.
@5koorb "If a child eats dirt and gets sick, do you continue to tell that child it has the right to eat dirt?"
A gay man who has gay sex doesn't get sick from having gay sex. He gets sick from having unprotected sex with someone who is infected with an STD. Otherwise, are you saying that when a straight man has sex with a woman and gets sick, that heterosexual sex is unsafe. I'm sorry dude, but your logic lacks rational merit.
@biggtk You need to quit throwing around that word logic like you know what it means. I have scientific data that backs up what i say. By the institutions that are given the responsibility of providing that information.
@5koorb "I have scientific data that backs up what i say"
No you don't. You have scientific data that backs up the fact that HIV infects those who participate in gay and heterosexual sex. With gay sex having the most infections in America, and the least infections in America (lesbians). By your fallacious reasoning, that means that sex in general is unsafe. You haven't provided one source that says that gay sex is unsafe.
@5koorb "What if it wants to eat dirt, what if it thinks eating dirt is right, and since it has the ability and or desire to eat dirt, who are you to tell that child it's wrong for eating dirt?"
The only time you can tell someone it's wrong to do something, is if you have empirical proof that what they are doing is causing harm.
@5koorb You can't prove that gay men having sex with men causes harm. But you can say that gay men having unprotected sex with someone who is infected is wrong, because it causes harm. The same applies to heterosexual males as well. That's what you don't get. By your logic, heterosexual sex is also unsafe, and heterosexuals are also unhealthy. Only through your insanity can you not recognize this.
@biggtk You're confusing the act with behavior, thats why rates are further increasing, because people like you are soooooo hard on for trying to disprove the act you won't accept the behavior. Spin it all you want, it is what it is.
@5koorb "You're confusing the act with behavior,"
No, you're confusing the act with behavior. Risky behavior (unsafe sex) causes one to get STD's. The act of gay sex doesn't cause it by itself. But that's exactly what you're saying it does.
@biggtk the act of gay sex is the behavior of homosexuals..... fine you want me to speak your "homo" language, homosexuals practice riskier behavior more than any other group, maybe homosexuals are just risky, the point i've been trying to make the whole time, i just had to word it so you could understand.
@5koorb "he act of gay sex is the behavior of homosexuals"
No, the act of gay sex is the behavior of anyone who chooses to have gay sex. However, what I'm saying is that the act of gay sex, is not synonymous with the behavior of risky sexuality.
@5koorb Gay sex doesn't cause STD infections to rise or decrease. Risky sexual 'Behavior' is what causes STD infections to rise or decrease. Which means that the reason behind the risky sexual behavior is what needs to be amended in order to decrease the risk of STD's.
@5koorb "homosexuals practice riskier behavior more than any other group"
Homosexual 'men' practice riskier sexual behavior than any other group. With heterosexual men being a close second in line (only because women tend to say no to sex more then men do). Also there are plenty of psychological/emotional reasons (based on discrimination) that contribute to depression, loss of self worth, and risky behavior.
@5koorb "he point i've been trying to make the whole time"
That's not what you've been saying the whole time. You said that gay sex is unsafe sex, and guess what? You didn't prove that, nor is there a study that suggest anything of the like. There's a difference b/w gay sex is unsafe sex, and gay men are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior, which leads to STD rises.
@5koorb "Homosexuals practice unsafe sex more than any other group, evident by infection rates"
No, homosexual 'males' practice unsafe sex more than any other group. I've never denied that. But that doesn't mean that gay sex is unsafe sex. Which means that there's nothing wrong with gay sex. There is however something wrong with unprotected sex, and the reasons that gay men engage in them more must be what is stamped out.
@5koorb@5koorb "what you want to call the act itself, gay sex or unsafe sex, the results are the same"
No, the results are not the same. If every gay man had protected sex, then the rates of HIV would not be so high amongst them. Which means that it's not the gay sex that is the problem, but the unprotected sex that is. So no, the act of gay sex, and the phenomenon of risky sexual behavior are not one in the same.
@biggtk No it doesn't, the anus is the opening, past that is the rectum, roughly 1/4 inch.... So from what i'm hearing homosexuals believe that what they consider the male g-spot is the wall of the rectum.... So you get off by rubbing intestine? Does that even sound right? Intestines being a sexual organ?
@biggtk lol, are you serious? you are aren't you. anal canal? is that like gay males trying to feel like they have a vagina? vainal canal vs anal canal? oh this is good.
@5koorb "anal canal? is that like gay males trying to feel like they have a vagina"
No, it's like the anal canal that's situated in between the anus and the rectum. And I don't know if gay males try to have a vagina since I'm not a man.
@biggtk i just typed in anal cavity into wikipedia and it redirected me to rectum, rotfl, you homosexuals kill me sometimes, i have to give it to you though, in all my debates with homosexuals you're the first that has used the term "anal cavity", anal cavity is what is created after you pull you fist out, lol
@biggtk It is the act we were talking about it was it not? or was it the behavior? Odd everytime homosexuals get frustrated they always say, "you fear us, you homophobe", lol, you were talking about ass sex and anal canals, which came from your complaint as to what was the cause of HIV the act of behavior of gay males. I didn't bring up ass sex, but if it makes you sleep better at night, I'm secretly a gay male living as a straight male who comes on youtube to argue with gays to hide it, lol
@5koorb "It is the act we were talking about it was it not"
You said gay sex (which is the act) equals unsafe sex. However, you have provided no proof to suggest this. And the fact that gays and straight people get sexual diseases proves your assertions to be false. The facts to point to unprotected sex being unsafe.
@biggtk sounds good, all i know is that being a straight male i'm less likely to get hiv/aids, thats all i need to know, black and white, you play in that grey area too much, try and dilute the reality of situations because you don't like the truth of it all. I didn't make the rules of life or nature, i just try and live by them, you should to.
@5koorb " I didn't make the rules of life or nature, i just try and live by them, you should to"
You don't understand the 'rules' of life or nature either. And I am who I was naturally meant to be, as are gay men. There's nothing you or anyone can say to take away the fact that in nature there are different variants of sexual orientation. Period. Your arguments have done nothing to subtract from that truth. So yet again another anti-gay argument bites the dust. Good night.
@biggtk Hey lady, reproduce without the help of a lab or a man, i don't understand nature, homosexual animals reproduce all the time, oh wait they don't, oh wait are they really homosexual animals or just animals who engage in homosexual acts, you ever ask them? lol
@5koorb "you were talking about ass sex and anal canals, which came from your complaint as to what was the cause of HIV the act of behavior of gay males"
No, you brought up ass sex. In fact you've brought up every type of sex gay men engage in that we've discussed today. You even talked about fisting. Man ass on your brain lol? The cause of HIV is unknown. The spreading of HIV is because of the transference of bodily fluids. This transcends gay sex and straight, and sex period actually.
Here is your direct quote that started the conversation on anal sex: "Irrational beliefs? Homosexuals can't breed, fecal matter is a bacteria, so where it is kept is not a place to play around, those aren't beliefs those are facts."
So you did start the conversation. Irrational and a liar eh?
@5koorb "fecal matter and play around= ass sex? You ever seen those asian chicks who shit on each other? Is that ass sex?"
Did your quote not say 'WHERE IT IS KEPT YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY AROUND'. That's implying the anus/anal canal. You don't to play around an ass to have feces to play with like 'asian chicks do on porn'. Anyways, this debate is done. Your argument didn't hold water or prove what you wanted it to. Bakka!
@biggtk listen lady, you need to go tell all your friends that there is no such thing as anal canal, type in anal canal in wikipedia, and tell me what comes up, so it must be some made up term amongst the gay community to better define or relate or something, i'm not sure,, the first time i've heard that before, and my mom is a nurse, so i grew up with anatomy books....
"all i know is that being a straight male i'm less likely to get hiv/aids"
Only because you're more likely to wear a condom. Go out and continue to have unprotected sex with multiple partners or with someone who has multiple sexual partners, and see where it gets you.
@5koorb However, me as a lesbian, has the least chance out of all groups of getting HIV/AIDS from another woman. I guess heterosexuals are more sexually unhealthy than lesbians.
@biggtk No you're just confused and easily satisfied, like science allowed women who don't have a male partner to have children, which was unheard of or considered crazy a couple hundred years ago, the same science will fix/cure homosexuals or LBGT or whatever you want to call them in a couple hundred years maybe sooner. I just wish they would do it soon, so i don't have to listen to a bunch of idiots run around talking about how they deserve something or were born a certain way.....
Haha. Well, I would, if that wouldn't be spreading personal information. In any case, I simply do not understand how people can stand in the way of equality. We're not asking anything more than that. Simply the right to be married, among other things. And please, give me one argument against allowing gay marriage that doesn't come from religion.
Quick point, being gay doesn't constitute an unhealthy lifestyle.
@Vazeron1Homosexuals don't care about marriage, what they want is the ability to be able benefit from things like insurance, taxes, widow benefits, hospital visitation, and other things. People can love without the title of "married" or a piece of paper from the courthouse. Being gay doesn't make a person unhealthy, it's the acts associated with gays that makes them unhealthy, drug use, unprotected sex etc. I'm curious, if gays view pedophiles the way we view gays? At least then you could relate
@5koorb Well, I certainly care about marriage. You're right in that people can love without being married, and right in that we want the ability to benefit from insurance, taxes, etc, but, surprisingly, you didn't actually bring an argument against gay marriage. And while those acts may be 'associated' with the LGBT community, the actions of individuals, which, obvs, make the national news, are not indicitive of the community as a whole. And one would hope straight people hate pedos too.
@Vazeron1 My argument against is that somehow through thousands if not millions of years of evolution, a small portion of the population, if you want to say they were "born that way", were born messed up, not normal, confused or whatever you want to call it, oh wait, you call it "gay or homosexual" I guess I would embrace them if they were more open or honest as to what they are instead of trying to say they were normal or like everyone else, because obviously they are not.
@5koorb I'm sorry, but all I can say in response to that is a flat "What. The. Fuck." How on earth is the fact that two people who love each other messed up? I have my own issues with the whole 'born this way' concept, not because it's not true, but because it implies that we have some sort of illness or disease that affects us at birth. Which, needless to say, is complete and utter bullshit. Because we ARE normal. We ARE like everyone else. And I don't see any resonable argument against that.
@Vazeron1 You're human, i'll give you that, normal, not so much. Example, a homosexual male trying to put together a website of childhood photos of homosexuals, looking for examples if one could tell that a person was going to be homosexual, i call that stereotyping, apparently he was calling it pride or something not really sure what he is trying to accomplish. What he is looking for is males with hands on their hips or wearing womens clothing or feminine tendencies, ie homosexual.
@Vazeron1 Whats crazy is he is essentially proving or stereotyping the things that i believe homosexuals are trying to break free from. Another example is he was looking for gay women to send in pictures if they were maybe playing with toy trucks or playing football in their youth. If i was homosexual and someone was trying to put together a collection of "reveal the homsexual" children, i think i would be rather upset.
@5koorb Well I would be too, given that's a violation of privacy law, and my personal privacy as well. But your example is yet another stereotype, and one that is not true. Secondly, men who act feminine aren't necessarily gay. Finally, and this is most important, becaue I really feel you don't get this; people who are gay act in essentially the almost the exact same way their heterosexual counterparts do, except they sleep with others of the opposite sex. Discounting descrimination, of course.
@5koorb You seem to be confusing "normal" with "the norm." A small part of the population is left handed, and for centuries the school system and society forced these people to use their right hand. Can they change? Yes, of course. But eventually we realized there's no reason to force people to go against what's natural. Left handed people, just like LGBTs, can live fufilling, happy, productive lives being themselves. No reason to beat their left hand with a ruler if they try to write with it.
@5koorb If you want everyone to be the same as what you regard as 'normal', then any deviation would not be allowed, such as genius or left handedness, neither of whom are 'the norm', nor indeed oftentimes 'normal'
It is truly astonishing how much effort you and others like you are investing in trying to make me into a carbon copy or your idea of an ideal human being. You nothing about me or my sexuality, yet you talk with self appointed conceit on this subject as though you know it all.
all fucking nom people are white trash and money whore just try to destroy people's life.Fuck them.
Laroughtenshighton 1 month ago
Leviticus 18: 22-24. I hate the sin not the sinner. nuff said.
Megalicious72 2 months ago
yeah, and? i didnt hear anything wrong there.
tulsadlance 7 months ago
I like how this video gives Polygamy the shaft. I mean, it's between consenting adults, just like same-sex marriage, so why deny that right?
Lemileant 8 months ago
@Lemileant Has nothing to do with same-sex marriage. Nice try, though.
scajk29 5 months ago
The Mormons/LDS church RUN this organization. They encouraged its build, they fund it immensely and they use the Catholic people like Maggie as Red Herring pawns in the gay marriage chess board so they wont get bad press for their church. People should fear that insidious so called religion rather than this organization
isakechaos 8 months ago
Am I the only person who agreed with every single thing the video pointed out? I didn't find it objectionable.
It is unethical, and the Law should reflect this. It SHOULD be a capital crime.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord The law is to uphold the freedoms of all people. not to refuse them their freedom. If we do that, there will be riots and protests that will go tenfold where it becomes a civil war against those suppose gay marriage and those who don't. And trust me after that. The National debt will skyrocket so far, we might as well sell this land, cause we couldn't give freedom to all people.
devonruinsc 6 months ago
If NOM(National Organization for Marriage) was REALLY concerned with families and children they wouldnt raise millions to fight gays, they would raise millions to help families and children in need, on welfare, going hungry, people who could USE those fundraising skills
isakechaos 8 months ago 3
The justification for mistreating LGBT people stems from an underlying belief that if you make life miserable enough for us, gay men will eventually become sexually attracted to females, post op transgender folk will seek regression surgery, blah blah. Bizarre! The fact is, I cannot convert you into a homosexual, and have no desire to, so stop trying to make us into white, protestant, right handed heterosexuals. People are the way they are - different. We're hurting no-none so live and let live.
mensskintightlowrise 9 months ago 6
NOM is the sound you make when eating.
Example: "OMNOMNOMNOMNOM"
FrontalTraction 9 months ago 3
it's no secret. it's no conspiracy theory on late night Fox news chalk boards. it's real. if you think they will stop there you are mistaken. remember Wisconsin folks, they are coming after you next. Rethuglicans need to learn that they can no longer buy out America with the revisionist histories of spokeswoman (bachmann) and shiny breathie barbie doll spokeswoman (Palin), don't let the churches determine your fate. Remember Wisconsin they will be after you next.
the1tigglet 11 months ago 5
I am so fucking disappointed in Orson Scott Card.
Islander255 1 year ago
I just sent some money to NOM..... its tough for me as an atheist, because i don't know whats worse, religious wackos or confused homosexuals, i think that hardcore bible bumpers should breed with homosexuals so the kids would be normal.
5koorb 1 year ago
Google Population articles in Philadelphia Inqurer by Jonathon Last
eddiestardust 1 year ago
One more item...
Population...
Most folks are not aware but birth rates are declining worldwide below sustainability..
Now what happens to a species when birthrates go below a sustainable rate?
That species DIES!
eddiestardust 1 year ago
So if you want to "Shack up" with your lover...that's your personal business, not mine.
But try to tell the majority that we are wrong and you are going to have trouble.
Even if say, gay marriage becomes law, guess what?
Gays will be ignored period.
And you can't change that.
eddiestardust 1 year ago
@eddiestardust "Gays will be ignored period."
I'm not so sure that this a reality tested theory. However, if it happens to be true then so what? Gay people don't want attention, we want equal rights. We want the right to make the one non-related Adult that we love, legally our next of Kin in legal marriage. We want our children to know that their parents are not an unequal minority, but have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. Being ignored is doesn't matter.
biggtk 1 year ago
Not only that but these militant gays want to exterminate religious freedom.
The freedom that allows the major religions of the world to voice the opinion that same sex marriage is not a good thing.
Let's remember that there are approx. 1 Billion Catholics, 1 Billion other Christians and about 1 Billion Islamic and here in The United States, about 81% of us self-identify as Christian.
eddiestardust 1 year ago
@eddiestardust "Not only that but these militant gays want to exterminate religious freedom."
I think you 'meant' to say that religious people fear losing their freedom to have 'control'. Not their 'freedom' to voice their opinions. You fear the day when you stop becoming the majority, and start becoming the minority. And when you become the minority, you shall be treated the same way that you treated minorities when you were the majority. Have you treated all minority groups well?
biggtk 1 year ago
@eddiestardust "The freedom that allows the major religions of the world to voice the opinion that same sex marriage is not a good thing"
I haven't seen one American law that inhibits the free speech of anyone, religious or not. Not one same sex marriage/Anti-discrimination bill has included the criminalization of free speech opposing gay marriage in its clause. So the question is, where is your evidence that gays want to exterminate religious people's right to be against them?
biggtk 1 year ago
@eddiestardust "Billion Catholics, 1 Billion other Christians. The United States, about 81% of us self-identify as Christian."
It doesn't matter if 7 billion people were Christians. Here in America, we adhere to Our Constitutional principles of Freedom and Equality under the law, unless there is logical evidence to discriminate (like our discrimination against Child Abusers). Where is the logical evidence that makes it imperative that gay marriage never be allowed?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk When they wrote that constitution, they didn't think homosexuals were going to be a problem, or there would have been a clause in there.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "When they wrote that constitution, they didn't think homosexuals were going to be a problem"
When they wrote the constitution, they didn't think that women or slaves would be a 'problem' either. That's why I said we adhere to our 'constitutional principles of freedom and equality'. I didn't say we adhere to our Founding Father's interpretation of Freedom and Equality (which excluded anyone who wasn't a white heterosexual Male).
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk So brave, so bold you are, funny how thousands of years of gender/skin color or race or whatever you want to call it got us to this point, but for some reason the last 50 years have been pretty worthless, odd don't you think? You call that progress? Broken homes and handout states, show me any examples of progress, at what point do you stop trying to paddle up stream? I prefer not to spend my entire life on 2 people of the same gender trying to get a piece of paper.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "years of gender/skin color or race or whatever you want to call it got us to this point. You call that progress?"
Gender, Skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc doesn't make or break Mankind's progress. It's the acceptance of those who are different from you (provided their 'difference' isn't physically harming you or infringing on your civil rights), that allows humanity to progress further towards its full potential.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "Broken homes and handout states"
This existed before gay marriage even came into the picture. Don't forget that heterosexuals have always been the majority throughout Human History, and homes have been broken since the beginning of human civilization. You can't blame any of this on social progress.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Divorce rates have never been higher, drop out rates have never been higher, i don't know for sure but i bet teen pregnancy has to be pretty high up there, and i'm an atheist. What I do see is alot of people wanting alot of things but they aren't will to sacrifice or give anything in return..... Gimme gimme gimme gimme, because it's our right, I go to vancouver to get on a cruise ship to alaska, and there is a gay pride parade with dudes running around in rubber thongs, really?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb " Divorce rates have never been higher"
Heterosexuals do make up the majority of married persons. I'm not sure what gay people have to do with heterosexual inconsistencies?
"drop out rates have never been higher"
This is naturally the fault of parents. And heterosexuals do make up the majority of parents. What does this have to do with gay people?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk I'm looking for your progress, not pointing fingers, if i wanted to point fingers i would start talking about HIV rates......
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "i don't know for sure but i bet teen pregnancy has to be pretty high up there"
I'm pretty sure gay relationships haven't caused teen pregnancy to spike.
"and i'm an atheist"
I don't care if you're a Jedi. Why are you throwing out all of these problems, and laying them at the feet of gay people?
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "What I do see is alot of people wanting alot of things but they aren't will to sacrifice or give anything in return..... Gimme gimme gimme gimme, because it's our right"
What does one need to sacrifice to have equal civil rights? What does the majority sacrifice to have all of the rights they do?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Well then i want the right to call someone whatever i want without being charged with a "hate crime" where are my rights?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Well then i want the right to call someone whatever i want without being charged with a "hate crime" where are my rights"
You can call someone whatever you want, as long as you are not stalking them, harassing them, and calling them names while on duty at your job.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Anyone can be a witness to the perception of harassment.....
5koorb 1 year ago
@biggtk Well then i want the right to call someone whatever i want without being charged with a "hate crime" where are my rights? Why can't i verbally hate whoever i want? I'm not looking to put my hands on anyone, but i can't say what i want without going to jail? Really?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Why can't i verbally hate whoever i want"
Neo-Nazis just held a nice little meeting here where I live. If it is a crime to verbally hate people, then why were these neo-nazis charged with any crime? Oh that's right, because they are allowed to 'say' whatever they want, as long as they don't commit a crime (break the law). The same goes for you and anyone else who wants to fulfill their hateful heart's verbal desire.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk I don't hate anyone unless they do something to me first, being a man of science and atheism, i find more interest in trying to figure out what is going on with them physically and mentally vs just standing around trying to make myself feel good about "standing for some cause"
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "I don't hate anyone unless they do something to me first, being a man of science and atheism"
Sure buddy.
"i find more interest in trying to figure out what is going on with them physically and mentally vs just standing around trying to make myself feel good about "standing for some cause"
Sure.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Well i've spoken out about catholics, i've spoken out about abortion issues, i've spoken out about stem cell research...... I got to bars where there are gays, it's when they do the "flaming" thing is what i don't understand, or when women want to cut their hair short and wear boots and act like guys.....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "it's when they do the "flaming" thing is what i don't understand, or when women want to cut their hair short and wear boots and act like guys"
You're saying that man's character is based on his short hair cut and boots? The truth is that clothes don't make a man or a woman. However, there exist masculine men and women, and feminine men and women. This is just who they are. The clothes anyone wears is nothing more than what that particular person feels comfortable wearing.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "I'm not looking to put my hands on anyone, but i can't say what i want without going to jail"
Oh this happened to you recently? Perhaps you can point out (actually quote) a law in which people go to jail to participating in verbal messages of hate?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk I've never done or been in the situation for it, maybe i'm wrong but it seems like noone can have an open public opinion without the cops being involved or being a bigot or hateful. I don't hate gays or lesbians but as soon as i have conversation like this in public i'm immediately a bigot or sexist or racist or hateful.....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "'ve never done or been in the situation for it, maybe i'm wrong but it seems like noone can have an open public opinion without the cops being involved or being a bigot or hateful"
The cops show up to 'protect' hateful groups, not arrest them (unless they physically break the law). You need to get out more.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "as soon as i have conversation like this in public i'm immediately a bigot or sexist or racist or hateful"
If the shoe fits. I'm sorry but you can't give irrational beliefs that are based on debasing the lives of a group of people, and expect people not to call you out on your bullshit. You want to be able to have free speech, but want to refuse other people the right to freely denounce your speech any way they see fit (as long as they don't break the law). Why the hypocrisy?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Irrational beliefs? Homosexuals can't breed, fecal matter is a bacteria, so where it is kept is not a place to play around, those aren't beliefs those are facts.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Homosexuals can't breed"
That's not how the lesbian couple down the street, in which both mothers gave birth to children feel. But then again, a male rapist can breed with his female victim. Does that make it okay?
"fecal matter is a bacteria, so where it is kept is not a place to play around"
That's what enemas are for number one. Number two, I don't hear you complaining about men having anal sex with women. Why?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Regardless of gender anal sex isn't right.... The lesbian couple down the street, cheated nature.... There you go again with the if it's ok for one group it should be ok for another group.... you can't simply state if it is OK period.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Regardless of gender anal sex isn't right"
The male G spot in the anus, and the prostate disagree with you on that one. But I'm sure you'll say that these things exist to give men orgasmic experiences while they defecate.
" The lesbian couple down the street, cheated nature"
I "cheated" nature this morning by driving my car. But so what? Again, what natural scientific guidelines makes it imperative that all 'natural' occurrences of breeding, validate a relationship?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk There has never been any scientific label to a "male g-spot" the term g-spot was for females, males simply took the term and applied it to their lifestyle to feel equal to women, and by stopping the fluid flow through the prostate by manipulating the prostate, sure, would create a sensation, but so does pinching skin, is that also erotic? Why does one saying they feel something for someone validate a relationship?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "There has never been any scientific label to a "male g-spot" the term g-spot was for females, males simply took the term and applied it to their lifestyle to feel equal to women"
Actually no, it does exist. It's (prostate) located along the Front walls of Anus. It's shaped like a walnut when aroused.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Oh yea, along the walls of the asshole, oh yea makes perfect sense. I believe past the asshole, you're in the rectum, so if rubbing things along the rectum is an erogenous zone, you don't see the problem with that? Many people find anal sex pleasurable, and some may reach orgasm—through stimulation of the prostate in men, and clitoral and G-Spot stimulation in women. You see how it says g-spot in women, that gay literature you're reading has you confused, whatever makes you feel equal.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb " I believe past the asshole, you're in the rectum, so if rubbing things along the rectum is an erogenous zone, you don't see the problem with that?"
I didn't say anything about a rectum. I said the male G-spot is located on the front wall of the anus. The G-spot alone becomes an erogenous zone when stimulated. Nothing has to be rubbed against the rectum. So what are you talking about?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Well the anus has a width of what? 1/4 inch at the most, after that it's what? Wait you know what the anus is right?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "and by stopping the fluid flow through the prostate by manipulating the prostate, sure, would create a sensation"
It's not a fluid flowing phenomenon. It's actually attached to the wall of the Anus.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "Why does one saying they feel something for someone validate a relationship"
I don't know. You should ask the person who made that statement.
"Clean alright, they are rocking clean when i look up clean in the dictionary i see a picture of eltonjohn and ellendegenerate"
Is weird how Lesbians (you know the other homosexuals) never make these list.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "There you go again with the if it's ok for one group it should be ok for another group"
Where did I imply this?
" you can't simply state if it is OK period"
What are you talking about? I need you to start quoting what I've said, when you start telling me what I'm apparently doing.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "those aren't beliefs those are facts"
It's not a fact that homosexuals can't breed. I think you mean that they can't breed with someone of the same sex. That is a fact. But the operative question is so what? On what scientific basis is it imperative that every relationship sexual reproduce children to be validated? As far as fecal matter goes, a clean gay guy (which most of them pretty much are), know how to have clean and safe anal sex, free of fecal matter. So...
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk So what, right? Well then i say so what if they can't be legally married. Clean and safe anal sex you say? The statistics on HIV/AIDS led one group, the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, to state in 2006 that HIV/AIDS is a "gay disease," in a billboard ad campaign geared to reducing rates of HIV infection. You're blinded by your own stupidity, the very group you support says the opposite of what you've said.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Well then i say so what if they can't be legally married"
And I say, defying the Constitutional principles of our Country matters more than your irrational presuppositions. You see how I gave a logical reason for your statement of apathy?
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "The statistics on HIV/AIDS led one group, the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, to state in 2006 that HIV/AIDS is a "gay disease," in a billboard ad campaign geared to reducing rates of HIV infection"
And your source for this?
"You're blinded by your own stupidity"
The irony.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Dude, just use google, cut and paste that in your google bar, unless of course you're a crapple user, which judging by your beliefs you probably are. But i could save you the time and just say CDC.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "the very group you support says the opposite of what you've said."
Yes, because the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center represents ALL gay people. 5koorb's fallacious statement # 30.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "and there is a gay pride parade with dudes running around in rubber thong"
What's the difference b/w this and a mardi gras parade? Why is it that people only notice when gay men are running around scantily clad outfits, but not heterosexuals? What's with the double standard? Have you seen what people do to get the opposite sex to notice them during mardi gras?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk How come when i ask you about homosexual actions or progress or anything else you can't justify it you simply try and say "well they do it to" or "look at what they do", thats how you have a conversation and or debate? You're kinda shortsighted you know/.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "How come when i ask you about homosexual actions"
What homosexual actions?
"progress or anything else you can't justify it"
What are you talking about? Please quote from me when I did this.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk I said teen pregnancy, you said thats not us, I said divorce you said thats not us, i said broken homes you said thats not us, all in reference to your claim to progress of the last couple decades......
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "I said teen pregnancy, you said thats not us"
You're suggesting that gay relationships have something to do with teen pregnancy? Do you have proof of this? If not, what does it have to do with our debate? That's the point I was making. No justification needed.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk None of those things have to do with homosexuals, but this conversation started out marriage equality had something to do with progress in this country and womens rights and race rights, yada yada, this country has been on a down hill spiral since the 60's.... I was pointing out your "progress"
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "I said divorce you said thats not us"
No I didn't. I said that heterosexuals make up the majority of married couples(therefore divorced couples). And that gay people (who can't even get married in most states), have nothing to do with the divorce rates. Unless you have proof suggesting otherwise? No, then what does divorce have to do with our debate? That was my point.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "all in reference to your claim to progress of the last couple decades"
I've already told you my view on what has progressed since the Constitution was drafted in the 18th Century. Pregnancy and Divorce never made it on my list. So what are you talking about? That because pregnancy and Divorce have regressed, that no amount of progression that we have had matters?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk So you don't think that "progression" had a direct result of any of the problems i mentioned?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "So you don't think that "progression" had a direct result of any of the problems i mentioned"
Of the progression that I have previously mentioned? No. How can giving equal rights to women, children, minorities, the disabled, non-christians, and to some extents homosexuals, cause higher teen pregnancy and Divorce rates? Your presuppositions are more superstitious fallacy than rationally logical.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk I have data to back up my words, you have what? Your logic, really?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb " have data to back up my words,"
But do you have data to back up your opinion? I could get data that backs up words saying the earth is flat. But so what? When you provide evidence that starts linking up your 'opinion' to the realistic facts of this world, then I'll start believing what you say.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Now you're just being stupid. Flat earth?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Medical reasons are the only reason i can see for needing"
That's what 'you' can see. You're making your choice. Allow others to have the right to make theirs. Personally except for inheritance, medical, and adoption issues, I'd prefer the government to get out of marriage altogether.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk I believe a "will" would handle all of that, except for medical....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb Why? Because it's not right for anyone to be taxed more or less simply based on their marriage status. But you still need a legal document that makes you and another person as the closest kin for other issues.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "show me any examples of progress"
Examples of progress can be seen in our Anti-discrimination laws. There was a time when no one but white heterosexual males were protected by law. Now, so are women, non-whites, non-Christians, the disabled, children, and in some states homosexuals. Of course it's not perfect. But that's the point of social progress, to move closer and closer to non-rational discrimination being absolutely forbidden by law.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "I prefer not to spend my entire life on 2 people of the same gender trying to get a piece of paper"
It's not the paper. It's the rights that are given by our government based on marriage. That's what 'civil' marriage is. The government doesn't give anyone a genuine or aesthetically pleasing marriage (that's the responsibility of the couple), but they do give thousands of rights to married couples.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Thousands of rights? Get serious.... It's not a matter of being excluded it's a matter of why are we wasting so much time and energy on including, there are alot of other social issues we should be working on besides Joe and Josh being married....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "It's not a matter of being excluded it's a matter of why are we wasting so much time and energy on including"
Because it's un-American to exclude legal tax paying citizens from enjoying the same rights as others, without there being any logical evidence to show why they shouldn't have the right. It's not my fault that I pay allegiance to our Constitutional principles.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb Not to mention the fact that thousands of gay people need these rights, otherwise life becomes much harder for them and their families. The only reason you can't understand this is because you're not the one that has to go through it.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Medical reasons are the only reason i can see for needing of anything outside of that you can't convince me they need anything, i've been living with the same person for 4 years and we're not looking to get paper married.....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "there are alot of other social issues we should be working on besides Joe and Josh being married"
Then get your sympathizers to get out of the way of LGBT equality, and you won't have to worry about it any longer.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk See thats a another issue, LGBT, wtf is that? Sure i can tolerate lesbians and gays, but wtf is a bi-sexual transgender, wtf is that? If someone thinks they need to go to the extent of surgery and, here, you ready for this, hormone therapy, well then lets work on providing hormone therapy for the lesbians and gays and maybe we can correct this mess.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "if i wanted to point fingers i would start talking about HIV rates."
What? You mean like how heterosexuals make up the most people worldwide infected HIV/AIDS? If you wanna talk about statistics, can we discuss how heterosexual Men are more likely to sexually abuse Women, Men, girls, boys, and infants?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Really you're going to try quantity vs percentage? Really?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Really you're going to try quantity vs percentage? Really?"
Yes, and no. In America gay men (not gay women) may acquire for 70% of HIV infections, but in AFRICA, where the most people have AIDS/HIV, heterosexuals make up 90% of HIV infections.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk You really want to bring up the behaviors of africans into this?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "You really want to bring up the behaviors of africans into this"
My statement wasn't about the behaviors of Africans. By mentioning HIV you implied a negative connotation to validity of gay male homosexuality. My response about different HIV statistics for different countries proves that it's not a predominantly gay male homosexual problem. Why? Because in countries like Africa, heterosexuals account for more than 90% of HIV infections. Do try and keep up.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Well in civilized societies, AIDS Rate 50 Times Higher in Homosexual Men, why do you try to spin things? You're wrong man..... I don't have to keep up, i've had this conversation hundreds of times.....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Well in civilized societies, AIDS Rate 50 Times Higher in Homosexual Men"
What is your definition of civilized societies? And why do you always leave other homosexuals out, like gay women? Whom have the lowest HIV rates than any other group. My point is to show you the illogical fallacies that you're attempting to create with your statistics.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk By recently admitting that 'HIV is a gay disease,' Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death." When homosexuals start leading productive healthy lives, people like myself might take them more seriously but until then they are a hazard to humans. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the wa
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death"
Another fallacious statement that lacks logical/factual merit. Firstly, there's no such thing as a gay lifestyle. Secondly, by the way you've worded (or maybe quoted) this statement, I think it's really important that you provide a source to this HIVE is a gay disease spiel.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Earlier this year, as another example, the Centers for Disease Control released a statistical report indicating that homosexual men made up 65 percent of the reported primary and secondary syphilis cases in 2007. A report from the Public Health Agency of Canada in 2006 revealed that 51 percent of people infected with HIV in the country were homosexual men Clean alright, they are rocking clean when i look up clean in the dictionary i see a picture of eltonjohn and ellendegenerate
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb Thirdly, your statement excludes lesbians yet again. And fourthly, it is unsafe sex that causes higher infections, not gay sex in itself. Which would explain why straight people get AIDS too. And because heterosexuals are 'taught' to have safe sex, as opposed to gay people being taught the same, it makes logical sense in this country that heterosexuals would be able to apply what they've learned as far as protecting themselves goes.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Gay sex is unsafe sex..... Wasn't HIV/AIDS first called the "gay disease"?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "Gay sex is unsafe sex."
Gay sex is not unsafe sex. Unsafe sex is unsafe sex.
"Wasn't HIV/AIDS first called the "gay disease"?"
Yes, when doctors were ignorant of the disease. If were a gay disease then why do heterosexuals get these same diseases?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk The double-digit increase in young gay men is about 10 times higher than in the homosexual community overall, where the number of new infections is going up about 1.5 percent a year. The report, released yesterday by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, appears to confirm impressions that a "second-wave" AIDS epidemic is underway in gay America.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "The double-digit increase in young gay men is about 10 times higher than in the homosexual community overall, where the number of new infections is going up about 1.5 percent a year. The report, released yesterday by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, appears to confirm impressions that a "second-wave" AIDS epidemic is underway in gay America"
Source?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk wtf you mean source? you can't read Centers for Disease Control and Prevention?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "When homosexuals start leading productive healthy lives, people like myself might take them more seriously but until then they are a hazard to humans."
There are more heterosexuals who live unhealthy lives than homosexuals. That's a fact. So I doubt you'll ever take homosexuals seriously. Bigoted homophobes never really do.
biggtk 1 year ago
Once again, on a percentage basis you're wrong. I don't fear them, i would like to help them. If a child eats dirt and gets sick, do you continue to tell that child it has the right to eat dirt? What if it wants to eat dirt, what if it thinks eating dirt is right, and since it has the ability and or desire to eat dirt, who are you to tell that child it's wrong for eating dirt? Maybe the dirt triggers a g-spot? Maybe homosexuals are just fucked in the head.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "If a child eats dirt and gets sick, do you continue to tell that child it has the right to eat dirt?"
A gay man who has gay sex doesn't get sick from having gay sex. He gets sick from having unprotected sex with someone who is infected with an STD. Otherwise, are you saying that when a straight man has sex with a woman and gets sick, that heterosexual sex is unsafe. I'm sorry dude, but your logic lacks rational merit.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk You need to quit throwing around that word logic like you know what it means. I have scientific data that backs up what i say. By the institutions that are given the responsibility of providing that information.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "I have scientific data that backs up what i say"
No you don't. You have scientific data that backs up the fact that HIV infects those who participate in gay and heterosexual sex. With gay sex having the most infections in America, and the least infections in America (lesbians). By your fallacious reasoning, that means that sex in general is unsafe. You haven't provided one source that says that gay sex is unsafe.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "What if it wants to eat dirt, what if it thinks eating dirt is right, and since it has the ability and or desire to eat dirt, who are you to tell that child it's wrong for eating dirt?"
The only time you can tell someone it's wrong to do something, is if you have empirical proof that what they are doing is causing harm.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb You can't prove that gay men having sex with men causes harm. But you can say that gay men having unprotected sex with someone who is infected is wrong, because it causes harm. The same applies to heterosexual males as well. That's what you don't get. By your logic, heterosexual sex is also unsafe, and heterosexuals are also unhealthy. Only through your insanity can you not recognize this.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk You're confusing the act with behavior, thats why rates are further increasing, because people like you are soooooo hard on for trying to disprove the act you won't accept the behavior. Spin it all you want, it is what it is.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "You're confusing the act with behavior,"
No, you're confusing the act with behavior. Risky behavior (unsafe sex) causes one to get STD's. The act of gay sex doesn't cause it by itself. But that's exactly what you're saying it does.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk the act of gay sex is the behavior of homosexuals..... fine you want me to speak your "homo" language, homosexuals practice riskier behavior more than any other group, maybe homosexuals are just risky, the point i've been trying to make the whole time, i just had to word it so you could understand.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "he act of gay sex is the behavior of homosexuals"
No, the act of gay sex is the behavior of anyone who chooses to have gay sex. However, what I'm saying is that the act of gay sex, is not synonymous with the behavior of risky sexuality.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb Gay sex doesn't cause STD infections to rise or decrease. Risky sexual 'Behavior' is what causes STD infections to rise or decrease. Which means that the reason behind the risky sexual behavior is what needs to be amended in order to decrease the risk of STD's.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "homosexuals practice riskier behavior more than any other group"
Homosexual 'men' practice riskier sexual behavior than any other group. With heterosexual men being a close second in line (only because women tend to say no to sex more then men do). Also there are plenty of psychological/emotional reasons (based on discrimination) that contribute to depression, loss of self worth, and risky behavior.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "he point i've been trying to make the whole time"
That's not what you've been saying the whole time. You said that gay sex is unsafe sex, and guess what? You didn't prove that, nor is there a study that suggest anything of the like. There's a difference b/w gay sex is unsafe sex, and gay men are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior, which leads to STD rises.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "Homosexuals practice unsafe sex more than any other group, evident by infection rates"
No, homosexual 'males' practice unsafe sex more than any other group. I've never denied that. But that doesn't mean that gay sex is unsafe sex. Which means that there's nothing wrong with gay sex. There is however something wrong with unprotected sex, and the reasons that gay men engage in them more must be what is stamped out.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb @5koorb "what you want to call the act itself, gay sex or unsafe sex, the results are the same"
No, the results are not the same. If every gay man had protected sex, then the rates of HIV would not be so high amongst them. Which means that it's not the gay sex that is the problem, but the unprotected sex that is. So no, the act of gay sex, and the phenomenon of risky sexual behavior are not one in the same.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "The anus doesn't have a wall."
The anus is made of tissue referred to as a wall. Just like a vagina has walls.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk No it doesn't, the anus is the opening, past that is the rectum, roughly 1/4 inch.... So from what i'm hearing homosexuals believe that what they consider the male g-spot is the wall of the rectum.... So you get off by rubbing intestine? Does that even sound right? Intestines being a sexual organ?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "No it doesn't, the anus is the opening"
It's not like an anal canal exist or anything. There are walls situated around the anus/anal canal.
"past that is the rectum,"
No, past the anus opening, is the anal canal. Then comes the rectum.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk lol, are you serious? you are aren't you. anal canal? is that like gay males trying to feel like they have a vagina? vainal canal vs anal canal? oh this is good.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "anal canal? is that like gay males trying to feel like they have a vagina"
No, it's like the anal canal that's situated in between the anus and the rectum. And I don't know if gay males try to have a vagina since I'm not a man.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "So from what i'm hearing homosexuals believe that what they consider the male g-spot is the wall of the rectum"
As I've said. The male G spot, is the prostate that is situated on the front wall of the anus, not the rectum.
" So you get off by rubbing intestine"
It only takes a couple of seconds to look at the anatomy of an anus/anal canal.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk i just typed in anal cavity into wikipedia and it redirected me to rectum, rotfl, you homosexuals kill me sometimes, i have to give it to you though, in all my debates with homosexuals you're the first that has used the term "anal cavity", anal cavity is what is created after you pull you fist out, lol
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "i just typed in anal cavity into wikipedia and it redirected me to rectum"
Why would you type in Anal cavity when we are discussing the anal canal? Are you stupid?
"you're the first that has used the term "anal cavity""
Please point to the post where I said anal cavity?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk er anal canal, typo
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "anal cavity is what is created after you pull you fist out"
I wouldn't know. I'm not as obsessed about gay sex b/w men as you are. So you'd probably know more about how men fist each other than I would.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb Why is it exactly that homophobic people such as yourself are more obsessed about gay male sex, than gay men are themselves? Hmm weird...
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk It is the act we were talking about it was it not? or was it the behavior? Odd everytime homosexuals get frustrated they always say, "you fear us, you homophobe", lol, you were talking about ass sex and anal canals, which came from your complaint as to what was the cause of HIV the act of behavior of gay males. I didn't bring up ass sex, but if it makes you sleep better at night, I'm secretly a gay male living as a straight male who comes on youtube to argue with gays to hide it, lol
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "It is the act we were talking about it was it not"
You said gay sex (which is the act) equals unsafe sex. However, you have provided no proof to suggest this. And the fact that gays and straight people get sexual diseases proves your assertions to be false. The facts to point to unprotected sex being unsafe.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk sounds good, all i know is that being a straight male i'm less likely to get hiv/aids, thats all i need to know, black and white, you play in that grey area too much, try and dilute the reality of situations because you don't like the truth of it all. I didn't make the rules of life or nature, i just try and live by them, you should to.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "thats all i need to know"
Explains a lot about your irrational views. Lol you have a lot to learn kid.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb " I didn't make the rules of life or nature, i just try and live by them, you should to"
You don't understand the 'rules' of life or nature either. And I am who I was naturally meant to be, as are gay men. There's nothing you or anyone can say to take away the fact that in nature there are different variants of sexual orientation. Period. Your arguments have done nothing to subtract from that truth. So yet again another anti-gay argument bites the dust. Good night.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk Hey lady, reproduce without the help of a lab or a man, i don't understand nature, homosexual animals reproduce all the time, oh wait they don't, oh wait are they really homosexual animals or just animals who engage in homosexual acts, you ever ask them? lol
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb You sir, are proof that rampant idiocy only breeds itself.
xmikeyxlikesitx 1 year ago
@5koorb "you were talking about ass sex and anal canals, which came from your complaint as to what was the cause of HIV the act of behavior of gay males"
No, you brought up ass sex. In fact you've brought up every type of sex gay men engage in that we've discussed today. You even talked about fisting. Man ass on your brain lol? The cause of HIV is unknown. The spreading of HIV is because of the transference of bodily fluids. This transcends gay sex and straight, and sex period actually.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb "I didn't bring up ass sex"
Here is your direct quote that started the conversation on anal sex: "Irrational beliefs? Homosexuals can't breed, fecal matter is a bacteria, so where it is kept is not a place to play around, those aren't beliefs those are facts."
So you did start the conversation. Irrational and a liar eh?
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk fecal matter and play around= ass sex? You ever seen those asian chicks who shit on each other? Is that ass sex? You speak english right?
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "fecal matter and play around= ass sex? You ever seen those asian chicks who shit on each other? Is that ass sex?"
Did your quote not say 'WHERE IT IS KEPT YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY AROUND'. That's implying the anus/anal canal. You don't to play around an ass to have feces to play with like 'asian chicks do on porn'. Anyways, this debate is done. Your argument didn't hold water or prove what you wanted it to. Bakka!
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk a vagina isn't a vagina, it is a uterus cavity, lol
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "a vagina isn't a vagina, it is a uterus cavity"
The uterus is behind the vagina, as the rectum is behind anal canal, which is connected to the anus.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk listen lady, you need to go tell all your friends that there is no such thing as anal canal, type in anal canal in wikipedia, and tell me what comes up, so it must be some made up term amongst the gay community to better define or relate or something, i'm not sure,, the first time i've heard that before, and my mom is a nurse, so i grew up with anatomy books....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "type in anal canal in wikipedia, and tell me what comes up,"
I've already looked it up in wikipedia, and it says that it's situated in between the rectum and the anus like I've already told you.
"be some made up term amongst the gay community to better define or relate or something"
Lol oh boy...
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk now you're just lying.
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb "so i grew up with anatomy books"
Apparently you can't read then.
"all i know is that being a straight male i'm less likely to get hiv/aids"
Only because you're more likely to wear a condom. Go out and continue to have unprotected sex with multiple partners or with someone who has multiple sexual partners, and see where it gets you.
biggtk 1 year ago
@5koorb However, me as a lesbian, has the least chance out of all groups of getting HIV/AIDS from another woman. I guess heterosexuals are more sexually unhealthy than lesbians.
biggtk 1 year ago
@biggtk No you're just confused and easily satisfied, like science allowed women who don't have a male partner to have children, which was unheard of or considered crazy a couple hundred years ago, the same science will fix/cure homosexuals or LBGT or whatever you want to call them in a couple hundred years maybe sooner. I just wish they would do it soon, so i don't have to listen to a bunch of idiots run around talking about how they deserve something or were born a certain way.....
5koorb 1 year ago
@5koorb Hahaha. You sir, are a total idiot. I'm going to marry whoever the fuck I want, so you can go burn in your hell (:
Vazeron1 11 months ago
@Vazeron1 sounds good, when you get your hormone levels near normal, let me know......
5koorb 11 months ago
@5koorb
Haha. Well, I would, if that wouldn't be spreading personal information. In any case, I simply do not understand how people can stand in the way of equality. We're not asking anything more than that. Simply the right to be married, among other things. And please, give me one argument against allowing gay marriage that doesn't come from religion.
Quick point, being gay doesn't constitute an unhealthy lifestyle.
Essentially, I agree with @biggtk on every point
Vazeron1 11 months ago
@Vazeron1Homosexuals don't care about marriage, what they want is the ability to be able benefit from things like insurance, taxes, widow benefits, hospital visitation, and other things. People can love without the title of "married" or a piece of paper from the courthouse. Being gay doesn't make a person unhealthy, it's the acts associated with gays that makes them unhealthy, drug use, unprotected sex etc. I'm curious, if gays view pedophiles the way we view gays? At least then you could relate
5koorb 11 months ago
@5koorb Well, I certainly care about marriage. You're right in that people can love without being married, and right in that we want the ability to benefit from insurance, taxes, etc, but, surprisingly, you didn't actually bring an argument against gay marriage. And while those acts may be 'associated' with the LGBT community, the actions of individuals, which, obvs, make the national news, are not indicitive of the community as a whole. And one would hope straight people hate pedos too.
Vazeron1 11 months ago
@Vazeron1 My argument against is that somehow through thousands if not millions of years of evolution, a small portion of the population, if you want to say they were "born that way", were born messed up, not normal, confused or whatever you want to call it, oh wait, you call it "gay or homosexual" I guess I would embrace them if they were more open or honest as to what they are instead of trying to say they were normal or like everyone else, because obviously they are not.
5koorb 11 months ago
@5koorb I'm sorry, but all I can say in response to that is a flat "What. The. Fuck." How on earth is the fact that two people who love each other messed up? I have my own issues with the whole 'born this way' concept, not because it's not true, but because it implies that we have some sort of illness or disease that affects us at birth. Which, needless to say, is complete and utter bullshit. Because we ARE normal. We ARE like everyone else. And I don't see any resonable argument against that.
Vazeron1 11 months ago 2
@Vazeron1 You're human, i'll give you that, normal, not so much. Example, a homosexual male trying to put together a website of childhood photos of homosexuals, looking for examples if one could tell that a person was going to be homosexual, i call that stereotyping, apparently he was calling it pride or something not really sure what he is trying to accomplish. What he is looking for is males with hands on their hips or wearing womens clothing or feminine tendencies, ie homosexual.
5koorb 11 months ago
@Vazeron1 Whats crazy is he is essentially proving or stereotyping the things that i believe homosexuals are trying to break free from. Another example is he was looking for gay women to send in pictures if they were maybe playing with toy trucks or playing football in their youth. If i was homosexual and someone was trying to put together a collection of "reveal the homsexual" children, i think i would be rather upset.
5koorb 11 months ago
@5koorb Well I would be too, given that's a violation of privacy law, and my personal privacy as well. But your example is yet another stereotype, and one that is not true. Secondly, men who act feminine aren't necessarily gay. Finally, and this is most important, becaue I really feel you don't get this; people who are gay act in essentially the almost the exact same way their heterosexual counterparts do, except they sleep with others of the opposite sex. Discounting descrimination, of course.
Vazeron1 11 months ago 4
@5koorb You seem to be confusing "normal" with "the norm." A small part of the population is left handed, and for centuries the school system and society forced these people to use their right hand. Can they change? Yes, of course. But eventually we realized there's no reason to force people to go against what's natural. Left handed people, just like LGBTs, can live fufilling, happy, productive lives being themselves. No reason to beat their left hand with a ruler if they try to write with it.
johnriccardi 11 months ago 5
@5koorb If you want everyone to be the same as what you regard as 'normal', then any deviation would not be allowed, such as genius or left handedness, neither of whom are 'the norm', nor indeed oftentimes 'normal'
It is truly astonishing how much effort you and others like you are investing in trying to make me into a carbon copy or your idea of an ideal human being. You nothing about me or my sexuality, yet you talk with self appointed conceit on this subject as though you know it all.
DerekWilliamsMusic 9 months ago 8