Celts themselves do not use this pronunciation, how can you possibly think it is the correct one based on LATIN?!?! Old English and French are more Germanic and Latin-based than any Celtic influences.. so, this is incorrect.
@kscottm Pretty hypocritical of you, you got the language spelling and pronunciation, from Britain so any changes from that must be a deviation. You cannot seriously expect anyone to agree with your academic purist pronunciations and then just ignore your countries own deviations. Its funny as well since the re form of spelling comes from French just like the Celtic with an S.
and the comment about how you doubt americans will ever pronounce it leisure kentre rather than centre, was also a obvious slander of the british, insulted sir, very insulted!
this sounds both arrogant and potential, language is FULL of inconsistencies, who are you to change the norm of how a word is pronounced and if that is the 'norm' then you should respect the way its pronounced.
Well, this was very interesting, seeing as everyone kept correcting me when I pronunecd it with a K, until a teacher told me it could be pronunced both way. To me it sounded better because the Dutch word is 'Kelten' If I remember correctly one of my teachers this year did say something about how the latin C was eventually pronunced as a S in English, but unfortunetly I don't remember the details.
The Greek alphabet wasn't as nuanced as ours, so you have to read what they wrote at face value as far as pronunciation goes, if they heard a K or C sound, they would use K when writing it down, because they only had one letter for that sound. If they heard a S sound they would simply use their symbol for S. There wouldn't have been all these rules about pronouncing it certain way when its followed by certain letters, so just admit that you and others have been saying it wrong and move on..
can you breath very well so high up on the moral high horse? surely the sheer amount of psudo liberal bollocks your talking has already choked you to death.
to basques it is asko the mighty, dominating it, the one who has power and today euska the drift of the word is by which Basque indicate.
You have point out a likeness? and on top of that they have the same blood and the same contour DNA There and almost the same DNA MT and presques similar traditions the only difference would seem to be the language.
This would be funny if it weren't so stupid and pointless. If you get that raise your hand. BOTH ARE CORRECT. It's too bad some people can't meet each other and punch each other in the face for being stupid.
all i see in this movie is an arrogent dick head grammar nazi. just to spite that prick, im going to start using kkkkeeellltttiiccc at all times, when ever possible.
This is found especially the common "-ing" ending, which draws the question: How is "SINGING" pronounced "sínjing" if the verb is "SINGE"; "sínghing" if the verb is "SING"
Also there is "Kanker" and "Kinetics". Alternative versions were also taken in: "Cancer" and "Cinema", but with a different meaning. It's not that English and French converts the sounds, but that in the past when words were borrowed and the spelling was not standardized, a lot of pronunciation mistakes were made. It's not like the French, Italians, Spanish and English cannot pronounce "Ke, Ki" (que, qui; che, chi). Besides all the Norse words in English are still pronounced with hard g,k.
Has anyone wondered why SUCCESS is pronounced as "Suksés" and SOCCER is pronounced as "Sócker". Should it not, by "convention" be pronounced "Sókser"?
No, cause it has double "cc" rather than single "c". It is convention, I think. Can you think of a double "cc" word in English that has the "s" sound? A double "c" is understood to by convention to sound like "k". A single "c" sounds like "s" in English. Celtic is a single "c" word.
In the Welsh Language (A Celtic Language) there is no letter K. C is always pronounced as a Hard letter. in the vidoe "The book of Kells" is spelled with a K because the title is in English, if it were In Welsh it would be called "Y Llyfr Cells" with a hard C. and so we are Celtaidd - with a hard C
I can forgive this because I doubt you speak a Celtic language. But, I and other speakers of the language refer to ourselves in the form that you'd pronounce it in the hard fashion. All of this really comes off as extraordinarily ethnocentric. You probably don't mean it that way, but that's how it comes off. Just say this, pronouncing it like a "s" or a "k" depends on your dialect of English, whether it was more Latin influenced (s) or Celtic influenced (k). They're both right.
I won't defend my pronunciation to the death, but I've extensively laid out my reasons for choosing Seltic over Keltic for purposes of an American documentary about American discoveries of non-indigenous archaeoastronomy with Celtic overtones. If I come off as ethnocentric, deal with it. People are far too sensitive citing political incorrectness these days. The devil's in the details. I can agree to disagree. Documentarians catch hell for all sorts of things. Comes with the territory. Slán
The word 'Celt' derives from 'Keltoi', which was the Greek word for Celts. I'm not a linguist, but I'm straining to think of any time that a hard K transforms into an S. Celts don't call themselves 'Selts', and probably never have, except for the Boston Celts, because Bostonians are born with a brain disease that makes them talk with a goofy accent and mispronounce half the words in the English language.
Kall me a Kontrarian, then. But Konsider the words "cell," "cellular," "cement." "cent," "center," "circle," along with "Celt." I'm Sticking with Barry Fell on this one. The classic English pronunciation of the word does NOT derive from the Greek, but rather from the French which soften the C. --- author kscottm
I'm just saying, the oldest reference to our people is from a Greek historian from around 500 B.C. and he calls us Keltoi, which is probably close to what we called ourselves then. And in modern day Welsh, Irish (and I don't know about Scottish), the C is always hard, hence why we probably stuck to the hard C even when saying it in English. Kelts or Selts, or any other name, will be stubborn! It is a thought provoking and interesting, though. Cool video.
@kscottm "The classic English pronunciation of the word does NOT derive from the Greek, " So what? maybe you haven't realised it but Celts are not English and there Languages (can you speak any of them?) do not follow the same rules as English. Your stubbornness is ridiculous. The letter C is pronounced like K or Kuh sound in many Celtic dialects like Irish, the Greeks called them Keltoi and the two peoples interacted on many levels. and today we modern"Kelts" use the K. Use is the final say.
@kscottm If I called a Vietnamese and Indo-Chinamen and he corrected me should I continue to use that term anywhere even after its been made clear that the designation has no meaning for the people it refers too? according to you I should ignore the wishes and wisdom of the people themselves and carry on with my obscure and outdated pronunciation because hey what do they know?
A real shame they didn't bother to ask the celtic people how they pronounce it, as a Welshman I'm C(K)eltic, so are my Scots wife and my Irish Grandfather
Well, I guess yall are pronouncing it wrong then. I always thought it was with a hard C (K), but I guess I was wrong. Who are the Scot-Irish? Do they still exist.
Technically yes, although Scots Irish is commonly called Ulster Gaelic, a mix between the scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic after the scots migrated to Northern Ireland
Can you tell me about these Scot-Irish people (or Ulster Scots)? What part of Scotland did they originate from? Are they originally more Celtic in origin or more Norse or are they a mixture? What do these people look like in general? Do they still have a recognizable culture? These are my ancestors, because many of them migrated to the Southern USA where I am from. I would appreciate any information that anyone can give me on these people.
Platonic this is simple. The Highland Scots and the Irish are a group called Gaels. In fact Scotland was colonised in part by the Gaels from Ireland. The Picts also lived there and under pressure from the invading Romans and the Anglo-Saxons became assimilated primarily with the Highlanders. The lowland Scots are remnants of Anlgo-Saxons pushed north by the Normans. Ulster Irish (Gaeilge) is similar to Scots Gaelic (Gáḋlig) cos they came from Ireland & had the same language until about 1800.
I was under the impression that the Ulster Scots came mostly from the Lowland Scots. Am I wrong about that? If you look on a map, just across from Northern Ireland is the Lowland Region of Scotland, isn't it? I'm am just trying to figure out if Scot-Irish are more Norse or more Celtic or maybe just a mixture. Do you know about this? The term "Scot-Irish" came about when US Southern Americans were trying to distinguish themselves from the regular "Catholic Irish" who migrated to US in 1800s.
I know that this is common thought and seems to make sense on the surface but Í assure it isnt at all correct. There are similarities of course but Scots Gaelic has just as much in common with the Munster dialect of Irish.
In "Gaelic" it is pronounced hard. Also, the term Scots/Scotch-Irish is an American invention, and a fairly recent one at that. For example, Andrew Jackson would be what you've come to know as being Scots-Irish. Yet, he never, EVER did ,nor would refer to himself as such. He was fiercely proud of being Irish (not Scots-anything) and Protestant. They didn't see there being any conflict of the two. This was typical. In fact nearly all the early Irish Republicans (1700s) were Protestant.
This brings up another point that I have always wondered about. Many Southern US citizens (from the Old South which fought against the North in the american civil war) have names such as "Jackson", "Smith", "Jones", "Rogers", etc. These names sound totally English to me, but supposedly, a great majority of southern US citizens were Scot-Irish. Traditionally, one thinks Scottish names would be "McDonald", "McGuire", "MacBeth", etc. How come so many Scot-Irish have "English" sounding names?
Jones is about as Welsh of a name as your going to find. Smith would usually be English but it could be Anglicised form of an Irish name also, typically yielding from Mac Gabhann (McGowan). There has been a lot of inaccurate romanticising of Irish history. Like I said, although today people in America may refer to Andrew Jackson as Scots-Irish, he wouldve never done this but instead referred to himself as Irish. So Id say there's really no such thing just a manufactured separation.
But, Jackson was a protestant, if I remember correctly. As far as I am aware, many English citizens from what is now lowland Scotland crossed over to Northern Ireland. They were enticed by free land. The English were trying to settle Northern Ireland, thus they offered free land to settlers who would move from England and what is now Scotland to Ireland. Those Scottish settlers in Northern Ireland then moved to USA. There heritage is really Scottish rather than Irish. They are Scot-Irish.
These protestant settlers (most in southern USA) were originally from Scotland, and only lived in Northern Ireland for maybe a few decades (as settlers) before moving again to USA--since free land was available in USA as well. These settlers are similar to the lowland Scottish, I believe, because they are protestants--often of the evangelical variety rather than the Church of England. They began using the name Scot-Irish in the 1800s to distinguish themselves from the Catholic Irish in USA
But it was a distinction that the English felt, but not necessarily felt by the Scots themselves. Some Lowlanders felt more akin to the Highlanders than the English and vice-versa. William Wallace, Robert the Bruce are both great examples of that. After Culloden the clans Campbell & MacDonald. Today you see it expressed, of all places, football teams Rangers & Celtic. Today the majority of youth in Scotland are seeking political independence from the UK. Really, it could happen in our lifetime.
So, are the Ulster-Scots or Scot Irish more Norse or more Celtic in origin?
I need to clear up one thing that you mentioned about Andrew Jackson. In the 1700's and early 1800's, nearly all the Irish settlers to USA were Protestant Scot-Irish (or Ulster Scots). They were said to have referred to themselves as just "Irish". But, in the mid 1800's and later, the Catholic Irish began coming to America. So, the Ulster-Scots (Scot-Irish)began to call themselves "Scot-Irish" rather than "Irish".
Well, as Gaeilge, it would be Ceilteach, which is pronounced roughly as Keltakh, though slender t may be more pronounced as ch (as in cherry) in some dialects.
yes as a celt its pronounced Keltic, like our words for dance (ceilidh) & music (ceol) all followed by the vowel e and pronounced with a K. thanks anyway......
well the boston basketball and glasgow soccer teams go with Celtic and are pronounced Seltic indeed, but Celtic in Irish is Ceilteach and is pronounced Keeltalk, Celt is what we are and also Kelt is too we pronounce it with a K because of our heritage, the sport teams pronounce it with a S because it does not mean they are Celtic, also Seltic is used for a team and Keltic is for heritage so your argument is pointless
The logic behind that is like the pronunciation of Scythian. By the word scythe, the c is roughly silent. But by greek terms, its Skythian. Its almost preference, and frankly irrelevant unless you are speaking the language these terms were coined in.
Don't you think?
You could call Allied greece, Soinon Hellenon. But im going to guess most say Koinon Hellenon. So if its Kelt, by standard, its kelt by latin, and keltoi by greek.
and if english is a germanic tongue at root, kaiser isnt bad.
Yawn...he is correct. If not, then why is the USA basketball team called the Boston Celtics and pronounced with a soft "s" sound? Since today we are speaking English, we follow English rules when pronouncing words...regardless of the origin of the word. In ancient Greece, I think "ch" was pronounced as a hard "k", but in english, we pronounce "ch" words with the "church" sound. Does this make sense? I'm no expert, but I think this is what the author from USA is saying, do you agree?
The basketball team, and the football team for that matter, are different words from the word that describes the Gaels and their brothers. Similarly, read can mean past tense or present tense and is pronounced differently depending on which is meant.
Celts themselves do not use this pronunciation, how can you possibly think it is the correct one based on LATIN?!?! Old English and French are more Germanic and Latin-based than any Celtic influences.. so, this is incorrect.
SandThruFingers 1 month ago
Why did you have to be outside to say this?
vdwfan47 2 months ago
BTW, the spelling is center, not centre. You colourful and easily insulted Brits. Get over yourselves.
kscottm 9 months ago
@kscottm Pretty hypocritical of you, you got the language spelling and pronunciation, from Britain so any changes from that must be a deviation. You cannot seriously expect anyone to agree with your academic purist pronunciations and then just ignore your countries own deviations. Its funny as well since the re form of spelling comes from French just like the Celtic with an S.
CommissarRed 7 months ago
and the comment about how you doubt americans will ever pronounce it leisure kentre rather than centre, was also a obvious slander of the british, insulted sir, very insulted!
spopescuful 9 months ago
this sounds both arrogant and potential, language is FULL of inconsistencies, who are you to change the norm of how a word is pronounced and if that is the 'norm' then you should respect the way its pronounced.
spopescuful 9 months ago
The letter "C" in Gaelic has a "Kuh" sound. "Period"
sirdaniel1975 1 year ago
Well, this was very interesting, seeing as everyone kept correcting me when I pronunecd it with a K, until a teacher told me it could be pronunced both way. To me it sounded better because the Dutch word is 'Kelten' If I remember correctly one of my teachers this year did say something about how the latin C was eventually pronunced as a S in English, but unfortunetly I don't remember the details.
muyany 1 year ago
if they were "Celtic" then that means in Vendic as "Selci" (the one who move - migration; like Nomads)
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
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VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
so is Celtic the language pronounced with a "k" sound?
and Celtic the sports team pronounced with a "s" sound?
Vickilovesyaoi13 1 year ago
The Greek alphabet wasn't as nuanced as ours, so you have to read what they wrote at face value as far as pronunciation goes, if they heard a K or C sound, they would use K when writing it down, because they only had one letter for that sound. If they heard a S sound they would simply use their symbol for S. There wouldn't have been all these rules about pronouncing it certain way when its followed by certain letters, so just admit that you and others have been saying it wrong and move on..
knockknock909 1 year ago
the word "Celt" is from Ancient Greek (Keltoi) where there was no soft C you Jackass! Its pronounced Kelt! So start saying it right asshole!
ProtestantIRA 1 year ago
just dont pronounce them as keltic in wales. lest you want to be stabbed :D
GantoFleshRender 2 years ago
bit extreme love
Blobsterisation 2 years ago
dont blame me, blame the welsh
GantoFleshRender 2 years ago
LOL ur stereotyping all of wales of having a high intolerance to different pronunciations of words..
Blobsterisation 2 years ago
im welsh my self, i know my own people, i know the way they act
GantoFleshRender 2 years ago
weelllll jeepers i'm welsh too LOL!
stop stereotyping "your own people" we're all people
our culture and where we come from doesn't set our personalities as being extremely intolerant and dangerous and vise versa
it's how you're brought up
"your people" don't act any other way than "other's people"
Blobsterisation 2 years ago
can you breath very well so high up on the moral high horse? surely the sheer amount of psudo liberal bollocks your talking has already choked you to death.
GantoFleshRender 2 years ago
.....what?
Blobsterisation 2 years ago
to basques it is asko the mighty, dominating it, the one who has power and today euska the drift of the word is by which Basque indicate.
You have point out a likeness? and on top of that they have the same blood and the same contour DNA There and almost the same DNA MT and presques similar traditions the only difference would seem to be the language.
polarisreseau 2 years ago
This would be funny if it weren't so stupid and pointless. If you get that raise your hand. BOTH ARE CORRECT. It's too bad some people can't meet each other and punch each other in the face for being stupid.
cinnireseisri 2 years ago
all i see in this movie is an arrogent dick head grammar nazi. just to spite that prick, im going to start using kkkkeeellltttiiccc at all times, when ever possible.
GantoFleshRender 2 years ago
"Usage in the end always wins" That's the most important bit. And it goes for specific words as well as generalities.
Grazikon 2 years ago
This is found especially the common "-ing" ending, which draws the question: How is "SINGING" pronounced "sínjing" if the verb is "SINGE"; "sínghing" if the verb is "SING"
Anumiru 2 years ago
Also there is "Kanker" and "Kinetics". Alternative versions were also taken in: "Cancer" and "Cinema", but with a different meaning. It's not that English and French converts the sounds, but that in the past when words were borrowed and the spelling was not standardized, a lot of pronunciation mistakes were made. It's not like the French, Italians, Spanish and English cannot pronounce "Ke, Ki" (que, qui; che, chi). Besides all the Norse words in English are still pronounced with hard g,k.
Anumiru 2 years ago
Has anyone wondered why SUCCESS is pronounced as "Suksés" and SOCCER is pronounced as "Sócker". Should it not, by "convention" be pronounced "Sókser"?
Anumiru 2 years ago
No, cause it has double "cc" rather than single "c". It is convention, I think. Can you think of a double "cc" word in English that has the "s" sound? A double "c" is understood to by convention to sound like "k". A single "c" sounds like "s" in English. Celtic is a single "c" word.
platonicideal1 2 years ago
In the Welsh Language (A Celtic Language) there is no letter K. C is always pronounced as a Hard letter. in the vidoe "The book of Kells" is spelled with a K because the title is in English, if it were In Welsh it would be called "Y Llyfr Cells" with a hard C. and so we are Celtaidd - with a hard C
alginnelly 3 years ago
I can forgive this because I doubt you speak a Celtic language. But, I and other speakers of the language refer to ourselves in the form that you'd pronounce it in the hard fashion. All of this really comes off as extraordinarily ethnocentric. You probably don't mean it that way, but that's how it comes off. Just say this, pronouncing it like a "s" or a "k" depends on your dialect of English, whether it was more Latin influenced (s) or Celtic influenced (k). They're both right.
cinnireseisri 3 years ago
I won't defend my pronunciation to the death, but I've extensively laid out my reasons for choosing Seltic over Keltic for purposes of an American documentary about American discoveries of non-indigenous archaeoastronomy with Celtic overtones. If I come off as ethnocentric, deal with it. People are far too sensitive citing political incorrectness these days. The devil's in the details. I can agree to disagree. Documentarians catch hell for all sorts of things. Comes with the territory. Slán
kscottm 3 years ago
It's (s)eltic in American English. Any American who says it is (k)eltic is wrong.
cashdudehomie 3 years ago
The word 'Celt' derives from 'Keltoi', which was the Greek word for Celts. I'm not a linguist, but I'm straining to think of any time that a hard K transforms into an S. Celts don't call themselves 'Selts', and probably never have, except for the Boston Celts, because Bostonians are born with a brain disease that makes them talk with a goofy accent and mispronounce half the words in the English language.
gregdancingmachine 3 years ago 3
Kall me a Kontrarian, then. But Konsider the words "cell," "cellular," "cement." "cent," "center," "circle," along with "Celt." I'm Sticking with Barry Fell on this one. The classic English pronunciation of the word does NOT derive from the Greek, but rather from the French which soften the C. --- author kscottm
kscottm 3 years ago
I'm just saying, the oldest reference to our people is from a Greek historian from around 500 B.C. and he calls us Keltoi, which is probably close to what we called ourselves then. And in modern day Welsh, Irish (and I don't know about Scottish), the C is always hard, hence why we probably stuck to the hard C even when saying it in English. Kelts or Selts, or any other name, will be stubborn! It is a thought provoking and interesting, though. Cool video.
gregdancingmachine 3 years ago
@kscottm "The classic English pronunciation of the word does NOT derive from the Greek, " So what? maybe you haven't realised it but Celts are not English and there Languages (can you speak any of them?) do not follow the same rules as English. Your stubbornness is ridiculous. The letter C is pronounced like K or Kuh sound in many Celtic dialects like Irish, the Greeks called them Keltoi and the two peoples interacted on many levels. and today we modern"Kelts" use the K. Use is the final say.
CommissarRed 7 months ago
@kscottm If I called a Vietnamese and Indo-Chinamen and he corrected me should I continue to use that term anywhere even after its been made clear that the designation has no meaning for the people it refers too? according to you I should ignore the wishes and wisdom of the people themselves and carry on with my obscure and outdated pronunciation because hey what do they know?
CommissarRed 7 months ago
A real shame they didn't bother to ask the celtic people how they pronounce it, as a Welshman I'm C(K)eltic, so are my Scots wife and my Irish Grandfather
alginnelly 3 years ago
Well, I guess yall are pronouncing it wrong then. I always thought it was with a hard C (K), but I guess I was wrong. Who are the Scot-Irish? Do they still exist.
platonicideal1 3 years ago
Technically yes, although Scots Irish is commonly called Ulster Gaelic, a mix between the scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic after the scots migrated to Northern Ireland
alginnelly 3 years ago
Can you tell me about these Scot-Irish people (or Ulster Scots)? What part of Scotland did they originate from? Are they originally more Celtic in origin or more Norse or are they a mixture? What do these people look like in general? Do they still have a recognizable culture? These are my ancestors, because many of them migrated to the Southern USA where I am from. I would appreciate any information that anyone can give me on these people.
platonicideal1 3 years ago
Platonic this is simple. The Highland Scots and the Irish are a group called Gaels. In fact Scotland was colonised in part by the Gaels from Ireland. The Picts also lived there and under pressure from the invading Romans and the Anglo-Saxons became assimilated primarily with the Highlanders. The lowland Scots are remnants of Anlgo-Saxons pushed north by the Normans. Ulster Irish (Gaeilge) is similar to Scots Gaelic (Gáḋlig) cos they came from Ireland & had the same language until about 1800.
cinnireseisri 3 years ago
I was under the impression that the Ulster Scots came mostly from the Lowland Scots. Am I wrong about that? If you look on a map, just across from Northern Ireland is the Lowland Region of Scotland, isn't it? I'm am just trying to figure out if Scot-Irish are more Norse or more Celtic or maybe just a mixture. Do you know about this? The term "Scot-Irish" came about when US Southern Americans were trying to distinguish themselves from the regular "Catholic Irish" who migrated to US in 1800s.
platonicideal1 3 years ago
Cad?! Tá na Éireanaiġ as Alba? Níl an ceart agatsa! Tá brón orm, aċ tá sin go haeraċ. Cad mála folcaḋ.
cinnireseisri 3 years ago
What does this say?
platonicideal1 2 years ago
I know that this is common thought and seems to make sense on the surface but Í assure it isnt at all correct. There are similarities of course but Scots Gaelic has just as much in common with the Munster dialect of Irish.
cinnireseisri 2 years ago
In "Gaelic" it is pronounced hard. Also, the term Scots/Scotch-Irish is an American invention, and a fairly recent one at that. For example, Andrew Jackson would be what you've come to know as being Scots-Irish. Yet, he never, EVER did ,nor would refer to himself as such. He was fiercely proud of being Irish (not Scots-anything) and Protestant. They didn't see there being any conflict of the two. This was typical. In fact nearly all the early Irish Republicans (1700s) were Protestant.
cinnireseisri 3 years ago
This brings up another point that I have always wondered about. Many Southern US citizens (from the Old South which fought against the North in the american civil war) have names such as "Jackson", "Smith", "Jones", "Rogers", etc. These names sound totally English to me, but supposedly, a great majority of southern US citizens were Scot-Irish. Traditionally, one thinks Scottish names would be "McDonald", "McGuire", "MacBeth", etc. How come so many Scot-Irish have "English" sounding names?
platonicideal1 3 years ago
Jones is about as Welsh of a name as your going to find. Smith would usually be English but it could be Anglicised form of an Irish name also, typically yielding from Mac Gabhann (McGowan). There has been a lot of inaccurate romanticising of Irish history. Like I said, although today people in America may refer to Andrew Jackson as Scots-Irish, he wouldve never done this but instead referred to himself as Irish. So Id say there's really no such thing just a manufactured separation.
cinnireseisri 2 years ago
But, Jackson was a protestant, if I remember correctly. As far as I am aware, many English citizens from what is now lowland Scotland crossed over to Northern Ireland. They were enticed by free land. The English were trying to settle Northern Ireland, thus they offered free land to settlers who would move from England and what is now Scotland to Ireland. Those Scottish settlers in Northern Ireland then moved to USA. There heritage is really Scottish rather than Irish. They are Scot-Irish.
platonicideal1 2 years ago
These protestant settlers (most in southern USA) were originally from Scotland, and only lived in Northern Ireland for maybe a few decades (as settlers) before moving again to USA--since free land was available in USA as well. These settlers are similar to the lowland Scottish, I believe, because they are protestants--often of the evangelical variety rather than the Church of England. They began using the name Scot-Irish in the 1800s to distinguish themselves from the Catholic Irish in USA
platonicideal1 2 years ago
But it was a distinction that the English felt, but not necessarily felt by the Scots themselves. Some Lowlanders felt more akin to the Highlanders than the English and vice-versa. William Wallace, Robert the Bruce are both great examples of that. After Culloden the clans Campbell & MacDonald. Today you see it expressed, of all places, football teams Rangers & Celtic. Today the majority of youth in Scotland are seeking political independence from the UK. Really, it could happen in our lifetime.
cinnireseisri 2 years ago
So, are the Ulster-Scots or Scot Irish more Norse or more Celtic in origin?
I need to clear up one thing that you mentioned about Andrew Jackson. In the 1700's and early 1800's, nearly all the Irish settlers to USA were Protestant Scot-Irish (or Ulster Scots). They were said to have referred to themselves as just "Irish". But, in the mid 1800's and later, the Catholic Irish began coming to America. So, the Ulster-Scots (Scot-Irish)began to call themselves "Scot-Irish" rather than "Irish".
platonicideal1 2 years ago
Well, as Gaeilge, it would be Ceilteach, which is pronounced roughly as Keltakh, though slender t may be more pronounced as ch (as in cherry) in some dialects.
cinnireseisri 2 years ago
The first literary reference to the Celtic people, as Κελτοί (Κeltoi), is by the Greek historian Hecataeus of Miletus in 517 BC
Therefor Its pronounced " Keltic "
George Bernard Shaw claimed that "England and America are two countries divided by a common language "
Eg,
Arsehole = Asshole
Tyre = Tire
You like potato and I like potahto,You like tomato and I like tomahto; Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto!Let's call the whole thing off!
mush1955 3 years ago
yes as a celt its pronounced Keltic, like our words for dance (ceilidh) & music (ceol) all followed by the vowel e and pronounced with a K. thanks anyway......
you say tomAto i say tomaRto....
you are the weakest link......goodbye
cosinbrother 3 years ago
In the ancient greek and latin it was Keltic.
Cirifischio88 3 years ago
this is such Bull shit, its pronounced KELTIC cause thats how the Celtic languages made it sound.
M00SE94 3 years ago
Yeah, but we are speaking ENGLISH, not Celtic languages. Thus, we say Celtic as in Seltic. Otherwise, how can we have standard grammar rules.
platonicideal1 3 years ago
It isn't about grammar; it's about writing. Anyway, in both you can get exceptions to rules.
Grazikon 2 years ago
well the boston basketball and glasgow soccer teams go with Celtic and are pronounced Seltic indeed, but Celtic in Irish is Ceilteach and is pronounced Keeltalk, Celt is what we are and also Kelt is too we pronounce it with a K because of our heritage, the sport teams pronounce it with a S because it does not mean they are Celtic, also Seltic is used for a team and Keltic is for heritage so your argument is pointless
HonestBollocks 3 years ago 2
Excellent video!
Aistulf 3 years ago
Just realised I should have watched the rest of the video. But to destroy your argument, in the gaelic languages and ancient celtic, its pronouned K
keltic2007 3 years ago
umm, cat?
keltic2007 3 years ago
The logic behind that is like the pronunciation of Scythian. By the word scythe, the c is roughly silent. But by greek terms, its Skythian. Its almost preference, and frankly irrelevant unless you are speaking the language these terms were coined in.
Don't you think?
You could call Allied greece, Soinon Hellenon. But im going to guess most say Koinon Hellenon. So if its Kelt, by standard, its kelt by latin, and keltoi by greek.
and if english is a germanic tongue at root, kaiser isnt bad.
jdfox37 3 years ago
wow why do you do this in the snow???
take a note from the Scots worm is good!
Euan9999 4 years ago
Brillant! an american teaching us how to pronounce words correctly...................yawn.
rryanreid 4 years ago
Yawn...he is correct. If not, then why is the USA basketball team called the Boston Celtics and pronounced with a soft "s" sound? Since today we are speaking English, we follow English rules when pronouncing words...regardless of the origin of the word. In ancient Greece, I think "ch" was pronounced as a hard "k", but in english, we pronounce "ch" words with the "church" sound. Does this make sense? I'm no expert, but I think this is what the author from USA is saying, do you agree?
platonicideal1 3 years ago
The basketball team, and the football team for that matter, are different words from the word that describes the Gaels and their brothers. Similarly, read can mean past tense or present tense and is pronounced differently depending on which is meant.
Grazikon 2 years ago