Mario del Monaco "Ch'ella mi creda" La fanciulla del west

[19olivier72]

Attraverso la camicia, si vede benissimo la potenza del suo diaframma. Del Monaco aveva una tecnica mostruosa. Dopo per il resto, ognuno può pensare la sua ma ripeto, sulla tecnica, MDM non lo si deve criticare per niente!

[nisticom]

Semplicemente meraviglioso!!!!

[gaspamagik94]

nel secondo acuto è collassato...

[lugila70]

la tecnica perfetta 

[bacassa]

AWESOME!!!

[lucyllebalth80]

Voce molto bella... Ma sul finale mi sembra che cada un pò in una "cantilena"... Sinceramente, preferisco decisamente Del Monaco in altri ruoli, come Otello e Trovatore, dove può esprimere al meglio la sua potenza vocale...

[nnsochedirti]

Sta morendo, è lamentoso e appassionato non "cantilenante" non cadiamo in queste banalità. Del Monaco è inappuntabile: studia. quando sarai come lui potrai forse dire la tua.

[tonixerez]

Incleible el Excelentisimo Dº MARIO DEL MONACO.

Podrías decirme si está en el mercado esta obra completa.

Gracias por anticipado.

[flavikio]

Mario Del Monaco:Il più grande Tenore di tutti i tempi !!!

[MsMarioMatteo]

Simply one of the greatest singers ever the greatest heroic tenor that ever lived. What an artist! To think that Muti says that he was a dog! He sings and gives meaning to every note. Grandissimo. I have the live version of this from La Scala.

[Operaddict]

@MsMarioMatteo Muti and DelMonaco....both monsters of their craft...but Muti is a monster to others as well.

[callasnuts]

@Operaddict What does Muti have to do with this clip?

[marokt]

Does anyone has a live Che la mi creda with Monaco? Please share it with us!

[lefemmerachael]

Bravissimo!!!! only Corelli or Bjorling are in this league!!

[tropicalpalmdoc]

Reminds me of Phantom of the Opera

[iduefoscari]

listen to "Quello Che Tacete" from the same opera and you will realize why ALW "settled" out of court to Puccinis grand daughter !!

[ShawDAMAN]

Indeed. ;-) always amused me

[mbrellisford]

This performance gets better and better the more I watch the more I see; the clenching fists releasing, the languorous steps forward, and that complete look of suffering is heartbreaking! He knows his fate, his dying plea is that his lover not know. "Let her believe I'm far away and free"... "She will wait for my return - and the days will pass - and I would not be coming back" With such pathos, do you really think Dick Johnson cares he's a little flat at that point? : P

[ShawDAMAN]

mbrellisford: I agree it's a good interpretation and yeah like I said the little flatness doesn't bother me too much. I mean anyway it's not Rossini, he's a rough and tumble cowboy/bandit, right? But I'd prefer him to be perfectly on pitch. :P sorry :P

[Pedmond]

I wish I could enjoy MDM without the constant bitching... Will you two guys just stop it, please?

[BetterMario]

Inarrivabile, come sempre.

[malamutet]

Leggo che questa è una recita del Mario più maturo. Ebbene per me quì Mario canta divinamente.Lo preferisco così, senza gli eccessi e le durezze che, a volte, da giovane lo caratterizzavano.

[ShawDAMAN]

Good but that last high note does sound flat, first one was better.

[Andante735]

Who really cares?

[ShawDAMAN]

Well apparently you don't :P

If you have an ear for pitch and a singer is out of tune it's discordant. Which is annoying for obvious reasons. It's not terribly off and this is still a good recording. MDM was a great Dick Johnson, I have the complete recording with Tebaldi that this is taken from.

[Andante735]

No, I don't care, and neither should you or anyone else living in today's world. We have nothing but generic, sub-standard singing put on offer, no truly authentic, vocal personalities, and a serious shortage of people who understand what singing really is about, and your pointing out his flat note? Like I said, who really cares?

[ShawDAMAN]

"I don't care, and neither should you or anyone else living"

That's entirely your opinion. Of course I care if a singer is out of tune. I don't care tremendously here because its a minor flaw in an otherwise fine rendition. But singing flat is not desirable and was a problem with him sometimes. I agree 100% that he's worlds better than most current "famous" opera singers today, some of whom sing out of tune *routinely* rather than just once in a while. >_>

[elephantbarbiegirl]

Andante735 Can I pick your brain? Why are singers today generic etc? Is it their training? The dumbing down of opera? public ignorance? I thought many former greats went into teaching after their opera careers had finished. Do they have no influence on the current generation of singers? I'd genuinely like to hear your opinion and also any recommendations for current singers you rate.

[Andante735]

I say they're generic sounding because what I don't hear are distinct vocal colors and personalities. Yes, many of the greats that began teaching after their careers did have an influence, but they're mostly gone now, and the voices they had an influence on are also not singing now. It's a disregard for singing roles suited for individual voice types too. When Callas sang, you knew immediately it was Callas-- same for Tebaldi, Price, Pavarotti, and the others.

[Andante735]

IMO the only decent voice we have now is Florez. He's intelligent, technically secure, and he knows what he's capable and not capable of doing. Netrebko has a naturally beautiful, lyric soprano voice, but she short-changed herself by not fine tuning her technique, and she's now a confused, poorly peforming blank card of a singer who consistently makes mistakes and misses notes. There is also an element of dumbing-down, although there are just as many who are not ignorant of what's happened.

[ShawDAMAN]

Andante735: Agreed. That to me is the biggest lack on today's operatic stage, vocal colors and personalities, qualities that really distinguish and set apart the legendary singers from the good ones. There are *some* good ones today though, I agree with you on Florez, also Calleja I think is good, Kaufmann in a few roles, among females, Damrau, Gutierrez, some Bartoli I have enjoyed. But for recordings I nearly always turn to the "golden age" singers. Netrebko also you are dead-on about.

[lacarusina]

WOW! you have the complete recording?? Can /would you give the recording information so I could try to purchase it? Do you know if there is a complete video of this performance?

[ShawDAMAN]

lacarusina: Just do a search for "Fanciulla del west, Tebaldi, Del Monaco, Macneil." Overall it's a fantastic recording, the 3 principles are top notch. If you like I can PM you a link to where I bought it.

[ShawDAMAN]

lacarusina: as far as video I believe they only filmed this one scene for TV. It would be great if they'd done the whole thing but to my knowledge they didn't.

[TheRevellingJester]

Search "House of Opera" in google and it might be there.

[AchJenkins]

There is no sound? Maybe it's my computer. I used to lisen to this a few weeks ago. Anyway, Mario Del Monaco and Domingos versions of Chella mi creda are the best.

[Isidore98]

looks like a 1970s porn star - it's the moustache and perhaps the bondage...

[robertocresca]

The John Holmes of Opera...LOL

[lpizzella]

cuantos grandes tenores que tuvo el pasado, no es de mis preferidos pero le reconozco un gran temple y una voz muy varonil y poderosa.

[chamomustard]

hahaha he's aloud

[HMW]

actually, i rescind that. he's pretty much on the money...

[ERiCDrAyViN]

The funny thing is if this guy walked onto American Idol he wouldn't even make it to the finals. That just shows the severe lack of knowledge about music the modern "musicians" have. Not to mention the general public.

If they're not (celebs) fake, they're crap.

[rouman7]

ericdrayvin, to a point your right but like times people change. as does music for the better well i don,t think so but many do. its nothink to do with a severe lack of knowledge, about music as we all have ears. its allways been down to choice, that will never change. this is good i like kraus, and di stefano and lanza. but many don,t. but hey thats up to them...

[Zibanejad]

Absolutely true!!!! I agree!!!!

Does anybody know, if there is a DVD or available of "La fanciulla del west" with MDM?????

[btsg]

the best ever for this aria/role---and FC--i agree with billyguns2 as far as calaf----it just seems with MDM's ringing power the aria is that much more poignant, soars up to those treetops, etc.

[billyguns2]

Too bad the sound breaks up at the end; this is just great. For me, Del Monaco was the greatest Dick Johnson ever, and yes I know Corelli in this role. Corelli was the greatest Calaf.

[leadoffeohippus]

That almost made me cry.

[tenorotti]

How can anyone have the audacity to criticise Mario del Monaco, a tenor the likes of which we'll never hear again. And all those critics wish they had an ounce of his voice and artistry.

[ilijaop2]

this is very beautiful and full dramatic voice i hear del monaco often.

[blucaotico]

Grande!!ma gli acuti sono un pò calanti..

[nnsochedirti]

ma sei sordo o sei accordato in qualche altra frequenza?

[blucaotico]

no, semplicemente il mio orecchio è più allenato del tuo a quanto pare...

parlo del secondo acuto in special modo

[nnsochedirti]

mah, secondo me invece dovresti farti allentare i bischeri...

Mario Del Monaco è incriticabile su tutto...è come se un credente dicesse che Dio non sa recitare il Pater Noster...

[blucaotico]

che frasi del cazzo..perchè mai Dio dovrebbe recitare il Pater Noster poi??...!!!

wow che frasi di saggezza....

[nnsochedirti]

Caro mio ognuno si esprime per quello che è, ho detto tutto

[Nemorino11]

Ciao ragazzi, stavo leggendo il vostro scambio, una domanda : di che anno è questa registrazione ?

[nnsochedirti]

Questo video è del Mario "maturo"...è un video degli anni 70

[AleBro83]

ha ragione blucaotico e basta cosi, poi nessuno mette in dubbio la grandezza di Del Monaco, ma se non ti rendi conto che specie il secondo acuto è calante hai grossi problemi di UDITO

[AleBro83]

Ha perfettamente ragione. Saluti

[vickersman]

one of the great tenors of the 20th century, and one of my least favourites

[searnold56]

wow.....i hate the straight tone scooping up. major bummer

[billthaxton]

Hey Sea Arnold...save your "skipper" metaphors for the fishing channel. On this opera post, we don't really care what kind of boat riggings and sails you prefer.

[searnold56]

boat rigging? sails? skipper metaphors?

[tlinev]

Que si bemole superbo. Non c' e piu un tenore cosi!!!!

[aarontenor]

The top notes are a little flat but the phrasing is unparalleled. Bravo!!

[zioaldeto]

Mario la voce d oro

[wopera]

la fanciulla del west era uno dei suoi cavalli di battaglia e da questo video si capisce perchè...grande mario...il più grande otello e pollione...le sue norme con la callas fanno scuola ancora oggi

[ernepia]

GRANDE.......

[LucaYune]

Ive heard that there are two parts on Del Monaco. one is that he is a great tenor and the other one is that he is always on his way that many fans dont like him. please what are your oppinions on MDM because im a big fan of him

[MarquisDePosa53]

Sledge hammer voice, the best Otello and a great Manrico never the less, but unsuitable for lyric roles. He could butcher some arias and make others sound out of this world

[Operaandchant90]

this is not a lyric role, is it though?

i was convinced this was dramatic

[tenortime51]

It's for lirico-spinto to spinto-drammatico. So, del Monaco, Corelli, Giacomini, Bjoerling, etc. (with bjoerling on the more lyric end) would be suitable, as would voices in those categories.

[cocoloco707]

THE POWER MELOCCHI!!!!!!!!!

[nnsochedirti]

Mario, ancora deve nascere un artista più grande di te!!!

Sei un dio...

Michael

[sera1959]

¡ Bravo, Mario! ¡ Bravísimo!

[lastofdmelocchians]

Lauri-volpi was definitely correct...del Monaco had the grestest B-flats!!! If U wanna hear this aria "yelled/screamed" listen/watch Corelli's live performance in japan in the 70's! It's probably on the "related videos" on the right. Click on it. Many who compare the 2&think Corelli is better, by the time Corelli sang del Monaco had been singing 15 yrs earlier! So if U wanna compare both make sure U listen to del Monaco's recs from 40's-50's! 60's recs are great but not as good as the 40's-50's!

[neronnenn]

Grande!

[verdiotello]

ja ja ja y eso que los 3 tenores hiban por el dinero?????? recordar que Kraus hiba ser uno de los 3 Tenores pero al final le hablaron a Pavarotti. y estos 3 tenores ya estaban en la cima de su carrera, digamos que casi en el ocaso ya tenian mas de 20 años en escena y por algo los escogieron por ser los tenores con mayor reconocimiento.

[verdiotello]

Mentira que Kraus conservo su voz dias antes de morir, Kraus si fue muy inteligente al cantar roles adecuados a su voz, aunque siempre canto lo mismo, y Kraus no pudo mantener la belleza vocal y con los años su voz la desformo en una voz totalmente NASAL, ke hacia perder lo interesante de su voz.

[lacarusina]

Del Monaco rules! This looks like a video. can it be purchased, and where? Chi sai dove io posso comprare queste video? This is stunning. Bravissimo!

[tomzoricic]

It is scene from TV series about Puccinis life from 30 years ago (RAI)

[tomzoricic]

It is excerpt from series about Puccini's life from seventies. Ask RAI

[pipeoxide]

so powerful, masculine, yet gorgeous...bravo!

[canafinwe]

This is beautiful! No shouting, he sings!

My all-time favourite tenor aria.

[Ankhsnammon]

Yeah...But he's Ramìrez,baby!

I think Minnie is a bit like you!!!

Nina

[tena2]

Aprendamos todos del gran Kraus, fue el único que conservó su voz hasta meses antes de morir, por que era humilde y se atenía a lo que sabia que le hiba bien, y si un papel no le viene bien, pues no cantarlo, claro los tres tenores iban a por dinero, y lo entiendo, kraus no era así.

[daveydaveybaby]

wow no english on this page. Love this aria

[LordMoe9]

me too English speaker

[hackerface]

En esta aria hermosa la voz De Del Monaco suena bastante bien y sobre la interpretacion que el hizo de pagliacci, la he escuchado y es bastante buena y jamas me referia a que fuera mal cantante, es uno de los grandes tenores que ha dado la opera y no estoy en desacuerdo con eso. Influyen muchas cosas en la " voz " operistica, pero al fin y al cabo siempre sera un gusto escuchar a este tipo de prodigios que levantan su voz para hacer eco en la eternidad.

Merci

[hackerface]

Mario Del Monaco tuvo el mismo problema de Di Stefano...La potencia de la voz no deberia sugerir lastimar los oidos del oyente. La opera va mas alla de los gritos. En la opera cantar nunca sera gritar. Los mas grandes para mi : Caruso, Gigli, Bjorling, Corelli...En epocas modernas Pavarotti, Carreras y Domingo la verdad es solo un bufon creyendose tenor

[Bastisinger]

Hackerface:

Se respeta su comentario, pero Del Monaco no fue un mal cantante ni mucho menos un gritón, el tuvo momentos donde su voz no fue optima, ya que, en su proceso de educacion sufrió una transcicion de bartitono a tenor lo cual le generó baches y dudas durante su crecimiento vocal.

[Bastisinger]

Puede que hallan grabaciones donde se le escuche sufriendo, pero en otras no. Cuento con la fortuna de tener una grabacion de Pagliacci de mas o menos 1955 donde es magistral el sonido y tecnica que alcanzo, luego desmejoro y posteriormente se le escucho mejor. Lo de Di Stefano estoy completamente de acuerdo con usted, no entiendo como una persona que canto toda su vida con el capital de su voz y con las lineas vocales colgadas en comas, pudo haber sido tan grande.

[Bastisinger]

Ademas, no es el caso de esta hermosa interpretacion de Ch´ella mi Creda en que se le escuche sufrir, al final si tiene problemas con el ultimo agudo, no por esfuerzo sino por afinacion. Del Monaco sin duda fue de los grandes.

Grazie.

[tenorspinto]

Está bien decir, "no me gusta como canta", pero es una gran falta de respeto y de cultura decir que Mario del Mónaco es un bufon creyendose tenor, por favor los que cultivamos seriamente la ópera no podemos aceptar esos comentarios tan absurdos e infundados contra quién es toda una leyenda en este arte, le recomiendo modere esto pues ante gente seria quedará en ridículo.

[hackerface]

La proxima vez que usted quiera opinar algo, espero que primero sea fundado en su buena lectura. Puede referirse a lo que usted quiera, pero si sus razones empiezan en su falta de atencion, el que queda en ridiculo es usted...vuelva a leer mis comentarios y demuestreme que usted no opina solo por opinar.

[tenorspinto]

Es mayor la falta que he encontrado en usted, pero es dificil entender cuando la redacción es deficiente. "contra Placido Domingo es el ataque", peor aún pues fuera de ser un tenor universal quieranlo sus envidiosos críticos o no, es además un músico por excelencia, y a lo mas podrán decir de él que no daba un do sobreagudo, pero que más, eso es solo un detalle. Vea que no opino solo por opinar. ¿Como andamos ahora?.

[hackerface]

No tengo la culpa de su mal gusto...ademas este sitio es publico y usted no va a imponerme que escuchar y que no...si yo lo dije asi, es por que asi lo creo y si usted es el defensor del club de Domingo no tengo ningun inconveniente en hacerle saber que Domingo es solo eso...musico, no tenor. Gracias

[hackerface]

Su primer comentario fue incoherente y el segundo ya fue por ardor...pero bueno, que hacer, usted quedese con sus gustos y yo con los mios...y lo vuelvo a decir para que quede en claro...Domingo es un bufon no un cantante de opera !!! ok ? si usted quiere seguir como el presidente del club de fans de Domingo eso no me perjudica...cada quien es como quiere o como puede. Saludos !!!

[tenorspinto]

Estoy consciente de que este sitio es público, pero no se trata de pertenecer a un club de Domingo ni de segun usted "mal gusto", sino de criterio al opinar y tino, nada mas y disculpeme por herir su calidad de "comentarista" no se volverá a repetir. Saludos. Es solo por su bien...

[hackerface]

Gracias por preocuparse por mi, la verdad yo jamas he tenido ningun problema con nadie acerca de opera, mucha gente ni siquiera entiende el tema, pero bueno, no queda mas que decir que cada quien tiene a sus heroes...la opera de estos dias no es nada comparado con iconos como este, me quedo con lo clasico. Y prefiero hablar de todo menos de Domingo, de verdad me cae muy mal el tema. Saludos y suerte !!!

[artcarcheri]

pienso lo mismo ,hay tenores que quieren cantarlo todo pero existen arias que no son para su voz.

[hackerface]

Definitivamente...si quieren las nuevas generaciones cambiar el concepto de opera solo espero que ese cambio proponga algo mejor que esto...pero sera imposible eso lo aseguro...esto siempre sera unico y lo demas sera solo comercial. llamese il divo, llamese filippa giordana...pura basura. Sobretodo filippa...la prima donna...no ma !!!

[hackerface]

Esto es arte señores y disfrutenlo y traten de conservarlo...esto ayudara mucho dentro de un siglo...dara una idea clara de que el mundo alguna vez fue bello

[Ankhsnammon]

Y llàmese Dmitri Hvorostovsky,la falla siberiana,el bufòn de las damas,el don -giovanni de utilerìa!AGHHHH!

Bravo Del -monaco!Artista,cantante..y machoooo!

ankhsnammon

[tena2]

Estoy de acuerdo, aunque soy joven, pienso lo mismo y sé que se debe a mi gusto por entender la opera, no todos los cantantes de opera deben ariesgarse a todo, eso es un error inmenso, cada clase vocal a lo sullo o podran perder la voz que tienen, placido tenia una voz de mucha calidad pero se atreve con demasiaso y lo paga al no dar calidad con algunos roles.

[poetalicata]

Tu che fai tanto il critico musicologo come ti permetti dire che Del Monaco era un buffone, se ho capito male ti prego di correggermi.

[bilko10000]

At his best Del Monaco was amongst the most thrilling tenors in my opinion.

[stevevandien]

Thrilling -- que vocioni! -- when and where was this recorded? Just curious --

[futumodcord]

Awesome. Mario Del Monaco is one of the greatest singers ever born.

[Isidore98]

Anyway - I was no admirer of Del Moncaco but (and he is not young here) this is pretty impressive - the top notes here are top B's by the way. He could sing softly (in Otello) and subtly but sometimes he could shout all night - but to criticise is to admire the greater.

[vickersman]

sorry- the top is a B flat as written in the original score.

[carmen1945]

no hay palabras porque siempre me quedo muda cuando oigo a MDM .uno de los mejores tenores del mundo de ayer de hoy y de siempre.gracias por este video.

[epa300]

What were they thinking when they did these overdubbed videos? It's like someone was convinced, "They're all stupid, no one will notice the faux physical dramatism". I think this does a great disservice to almost every artist forced to do one. I wish I could delete them all. In a way, I do; I don't watch, I just listen...

[allinvideo]

Del Monaco was such beautiful voice, and we can say that (like Caruso) he invented a 'way to sing', that were copied by many other tenors. Probably there were singers more safe at very high notes, but up to the Bb, he was the most brillant and powerful voice.

[Zoricic]

Did you hear his La Boheme (live) from 1950, from Neaples (and his high C)? Then you speak about it!

[allinvideo]

No I didn't. Is that at YouTube?

Anyway, we can see that his high top notes were not so often nor easy, like Corelli, Björling, or Kraus. You gain one thing, but has to loose in the other way. Singing too strong in the meadle is difficult to go above, that's a rule.

[Zoricic]

You are right in principle, but when it was needed he has fantastic high C or Si naturale, and in two ocasions high D flat (il Trovatore and Rigoletto). This La boheme is very rare pirate live recording which I just ordered and got from House of opera. Bad sound technically, but unique in every other sense

[MrGuizot]

Where are the _written_ D-flats for tenor in these operas? I doubt that they are in the score. One can interpolate a high d-natural in Rigoletto ("Possente amor"), but in Trovatore? You mean the end of the Act I trio Manrico does a high d-flat along with the soprano? (cheezy!) A tenor high note at the end of the Rigoletto quartet? In music, some transgressions can never be forgiven.

[Zoricic]

MDM and Hilde Gueden sung duet from 1. act of Rigoletto "Adio, adio speranza ed anima..." and last note they sung togather was D flat

[tenorotti]

Every tenor who ever sings this role must be compared to him. The voice, the passion, the power. Fantastic. I've sung this role, I heard Giacomini alternating with Domingo. Giacomini was head and shoulders above Domingo, but even he, Corelli, Raimondi, Mauro ,Martinucci and every spinto tenor always referred to the great Mario del Monaco as the greatest.

[Doooku]

I agreed, Monaco is the greatest dramatic tenor of all times

[valpal55]

Glad you have sung it. Now please dont use these names in the same sentence with MDM. Martinucci?? A barking dog at best.

[fabiantenor]

I suppose the barking dog is MDMonaco, RIGHT???

[Zoricic]

BARKING DOG!?!? You are moron. Go home and hide yourself!!!

[fabiantenor]

You have to track my comment to see where it started. And, well, if you say that Martinucci is a barking dog when compared to Del Monaco, then I understand that you are deaf centuries ago. Don't bother replying, I'm not disrespecting Del Monaco, but to say Martinucci is a barking dog??? I suppose Del Monaco has the greatest legato and musicality on Earth... Go get a life, singing is not about screaming...

[Zoricic]

I replied to fabiantenor who said for MDM that he is barking dog and I called him moron. I wouldn't dare call anybody on Earth barking dog. Capisci?

[fabiantenor]

Go back to first grade and learn how to read. It's obvious you know nothing, since you only write about High C's and D'flats... I suppose you skip recordings to hear the high notes and then go to bead... Who's the moron then???

[desdemona73]

per me e stato il migliore tenore al mondo

[vickersman]

not the best ever but brilliant, nontheless

[valpal55]

Best in my book are MDM and Barioni.

[vickersman]

I understand the MdelM and Barioni-I just felt the missing ingredient with MdelM was a 'lyrical'beauty of voice-Yes they both had huge instruments, but neither had what Corelli had-an ability to produce a soft lyrical line. For me it is not all about a big barking sound.That has its place, but that place is not everywhere-which is where MdelM, for me too often put it!

[valpal55]

Lyrically beauty ? That was not Corelli and when he went soft and low it got a little ugly

[caribolas]

LOL, in this case he couldn't have sung most of the roles that made him the greatest post-war then. Corelli's pianissimo was splendid. Don't shame yourself.

[Zoricic]

the best Dick Johnson ever