All I ever here on the topic of abortion is "I'm christian and you're killing babies because my pastor said you are and scripture somewhat claims such a thing is wrong, although it's subject to interpretation and has been translated through several different languages and Jesus loves me so I'm right...." And all I have to say to these people is "Idiots" I believe in Jesus, I believe he forgives, loves and sacrificed himself for humanity. Because he knew humans couldn't do it on their own. LOVE!
@IrenaPrude You know, you lot claim that this country is discriminating against Christians. Yet you post comments like this, and then expect us to roll over and take your arrogant, hate filled dogma. Three words for ya; Rot in hell~
what a shame that this man was murdered for providing women with safe access to abortions. It is exactly like he said, abortions are not about babies, families; they are about ensuring the hopes and dreams and SURVIVAL of women who are living, feeling humans TODAY.
Whoa, people calm down! This is not a place to have a catfight and use swear words. Once you use a swear word, a lot of people are less likely to listen to you. Why do we have to be "yelling" back and forth about who's going to hell? Can't we just be sad that these innocent babies were slaughtered and angry that someone would kill them instead of calling each other names?
@SaltwaterAir1 So, we can't be angry that someone decided to murder a man in cold blood because of the medical procedures he performed? Abortion being illegal certainly didn't stop people from doing it before, and striking down Roe vs. Wade won't stop the issue. People get abortions, for a multitude of reasons. While I'm a bit critical of the ones who just get them to "get rid of a mistake," there are extreme cases (rape, incest, undue risk to the mother) that warrant thought.
@SaltwaterAir1 In cases of rape and incest, the pregnancy would bring all manner of undue psychological harm on the woman in question. While I support adoption in such circumstances myself, it's not my right to deny her a procedure if she's sure that she wants to go through with it. (And for the record, I'm talking about first trimester abortions, anything after that is a bit too disturbing).
@shinobi67 I respect your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from. However, I've heard that in the cases of rape and incest, the child can bring healing to the mother. Take a look at Jaycee Dugard's experience for example. As far as getting angry about Tiller's death, I do not uphold murder at all. However George Tiller was quite a bit less defenseless than the unborn babies he aborted, so it (to me) is quite a bit less outrageous.Besides, he took so many lives, he kinda deserved it.
@SaltwaterAir1 Thanks for at least being respectful, it's nice to know that there are people on "the other side" who still are. And I'm not trying to say that the children of all rape victims are a source of psychological harm. I'm just trying to outline some of the other reasons that people would choose to have the procedure carried out. They're not all selfish. But as for Tiller, wasn't he just randomly shot in the head while attending a church service with his family?
@SaltwaterAir1 While he was a fully grown man, more than likely able to at least defend himself in a fair fight, the circumstances that lead to his death weren't exactly fair. And, personal opinion here, no one deserves to be murdered in cold blood. Just know that I'm not going to point fingers at the entire pro-life movement for this. I have many friends who are pro-lifers, there are moderates and radicals on both sides. In fact, wasn't the shooter schizophrenic?
@shinobi67 I don't know the details of his death, but like I said, I am not excusing whoever killed him at all. Violence is almost never the answer, and murder is definitely never the answer. And I agree that no one deserves to be murdered in cold blood; but the Bible does state that those who live by the sword should die by the sword. (I.E., murder should have the death penalty) But it should not be performed by angry citizens, it should be performed by officials AFTER a fair trial.
@shinobi67 Not excusing the killer at all you understand. Just saying it's less enraging. And I have to confess, it's a little comforting that the abortion side has lost such a big advocate...though it would have been better if he had turned pro-life instead of been murdered...sorry if I am talking in circles.
@Biggerbyte It's the vilest of insults to the Lord God to think someone is tortured in "hell" for providing medical services to women who needed them, and an even sicker blasphemy to say God would torture women who had abortions..Tiller never killed any babies. Not a single one. Nobody "enjoys" having an abortion, jackass, but it is the better choice for millions of women, a GOD-GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT that nobody who respects women would lie so terribly to try to rob.
Abortion is not about babies and families tiller? You slaughtered babies and destroyed families. I'm glad he's dead. Scott Roeder did his part in ridding the world of evil.
@Nick1989 Vicious, despicable lies. Tiller never "slaughtered" anyone, did NOT kill babies, and NEVER destroyed ANY family. He PRESERVED thousands of families, nothing destroys a family like having to raise a child they're not ready for.
Scott Roeder and his scumbag cheerleaders for murder are evil, Dr. Tiller was a hero who saved thousands of lives.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes he did, he gave them heart attacks and drilled into their skulls. Adoption is an option for pregnant women not willing to raise their children. People like you need to be shot in the fuckin head the same way tiller was.
@Nick1989 Lie, big huge despicable destructive LIES. This procedure was NOT done on babies, it was on FETUSES, and on NON-VIABLE ones at that. To support butchering women because you find the far safer procedure "icky" is lunacy.
Adoption is AN OPTION. You bet it is, and plenty of women CHOOSE that. That is NOT the best option for many, many women, and they make the choice, not you and not the government.
A guy pretending to be pro-life supporting murder. Hypocrite of the week award!!
@PrisonerNumber9653 Fetuses are babies you fuckin faggot. And yes, he was killing viable ones. He was killing babies right before due date. You have no idea what you're talking about. Where did you get that I support butchering women? You truly are a fuckin piece of shit. It is up to us to stop the slaying of the innocent. The only murder I support is murder of the evil. You support the pure evil that tiller was.
@Nick1989 No, moron, a fetus is NOT a baby. It will become a baby later.
It's a LIE to claim Tiller EVER used intact D&E (which the hard right mis-named "partial-birth") for a viable fetus. Never happened. Ever. They weren't "babies," and the pregnancies were terminated because the fetus WAS GOING TO DIE ANYWAY. YOU DO SUPPORT BUTCHERING WOMEN, trying to ban a safe, easy procedure and forcing major surgery for no good reason.
Your lies and bigotry are more evil than anything Tiller ever did.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Asshole, fetuses are people whether you want to recognize it or not. They're babies. Viable babies were slaughtered by him without valid medical reasons that endangered the women's lives. Evidence turned up showing this. Forcing major surgery for no good reason? What the fuck are you talking about?
@Nick1989 Lie after lie. They're NOT babies, they are fetuses. NONE was "slaughtered," NOT A SINGLE ONE in the intact D&E procedures was viable. NOT ONE. The "evidence" was a pack of LIES from a hard right Kansas AG with an agenda to shut down ALL women's health clinics.
That you have to ask "what the fuck are you talking about" proves my point 100%
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MEDICINE!!
So why are you telling doctors how to do their job?
@Nick1989 And you prove your bigotry and ignorance in your use of a homophobic slur. So, you're against equality for women and you hate gay people, but you want to murder someone in cold blood in front of a church full of people, including kids, because of your phony concern for fetuses?
Your priorities are perverse. Like most anti-choice lowlifes, you couldn't give half a damn about children.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not against equality for women, I'm against women that have their unborn children murdered. And I didn't say that I hate gay people, I called YOU a faggot, you're clearly making up stuff as you go along. You're so out of it it's unbelievable. You're saying my priorities are perverse and you're getting bent out of shape over the death of a disgusting piece of shit baby murderer. tiller's execution wasn't cold blood murder, it was extermination of evil.
@Nick1989 Yeah, if you're against reproductive choice you ARE against equality for women. It isn't murder, and they aren't children.
And it IS hateful towards gays to use that vile slur. It's calling someone the n-word, then saying "Oh, but I'm not racist". Bullshit.
I'm not making up anything. Your priorities ARE perverse. To weep over embryos then celebrate cold-blooded murder and say people "should be shot in the head" is perverse priorities.
@Nick1989 Dr. Till was NOT a murderer, he was a hero. He was a courageous physician providing life-saving medical care for women nobody else would see because of terrorist threats from anti-choice Nazis like yourself. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Intact D&E procedures he did was medically necessary. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
It's insane hypocrisy to pretend to care about life, then barf out "don't get bent out of shape of the death of this"...whatever.
Tiller's death WAS cold blooded murder, nothing else.
@PrisonerNumber9653 And you're saying I don't care about children. I hope you realize you're irrationality one day. There's no getting through to you.
@Nick1989 There's nothing remotely irrational about it. You DON'T give a shit about children. You only care about denying rights to women. You have this perverse sense of priorities about "saving" embryos, forcing women to have unwanted children, and...
then what?
Do I see you helping with child care?
Do I see you helping with education?
Do I see you doing ANYTHING AT ALL to make a better life for these kids?
@freedonfromfox2 A "menace" does not operate a medical clinic offering constitutional rights to women with severe health problems. The procedure the hard right has lied in calling "partial-birth" is ONLY performed on NON-VIABLE FETUSES. In other words, the fetus is going to die ANYWAY, the only choice is this procedure or a dangerous, invasive surgery. FORCING surgery on women when a far safer and easier procedure is available is butchery.
I'm a douche? You don't even know me. I'm a good person and I treat other human beings with dignity and respect. This includes pregnant women which means I respect their decision to abort if they know that having a baby would ruin not only their lives but the child's life as well.
Women will find a way to get an abortion even if it's made illegal. But then they'll die on kitchen tables with a coat hanger between their legs. Let a woman decide when it's right to have a child.
@Nuovaisme Yeah, the percentage of illegal abortions will raise if this evil ever stops, but the solution to that is ENFORCING the law and executing every single motherfucker that runs the illegal abortions, not keeping it legal because of it happening anyway. Rape happens anyway, does that mean we should make it legal? Yeah women may die in illegal abortions, but thats their own fault, they're willingly partaking in an illegal act to have their child killed.
@Nick1989 My God, you people are just sick. You want to show you "respect life" by murdering people who help desperate women with unwanted pregnancies.
It should NOT only be kept legal because it will happen anyway, it should ALSO be kept legal because it is a human right, extends equality to women, prevents massive amounts of child abuse and unwanted children. We already have far too many.
"It's their own fault"? What a bastard.
And it is NOT an "illegal act," it is a constitutional right.
@SaltwaterAir1 sometimes having the child is not an option for multiple reasons but you most likely wont understand that because you are most likely a conservative close minded christian
His death is a complete and utter tragedy and reminds me a lot of the murder of Theo Van Gogh. Religious fanaticism is and was the most detrimental factor in the furthering of human society.
Dr. Tiller was a hero and I hope that his philosophy carries on and other physicians are brave enough to do what he did.
@Tsaunders1307 Future "babies" don't equal babies. He did no wrong. He did a medical service and got murdered by fanatics who prefer overpopulation and forced births to kids who will have bad lives just because they think life is an infinite orgasm. Pro-lifers need to get a clue. Life is hard and there is a VERY good reason why a lot of people today wish they were aborted. This man was a good and well-meaning man. His murder was a travesty.
@Sibs1990 Go fuck off. I don't give ANYTHING a "bad name" by defending the rights of women, and if you cannot understand how a discussion board works, either pull the plug or have your children explain it to you. To think you got "butted in" on is just plain stupidity.
@Sibs1990 It's not biased or "overly emotional" (a HILARIOUS argument coming from the side that lies CONSTANTLY in order to bring as much hysteria into the discussion as possible)
Again, you will NOT silence me, it's not "butting in", surely you understand how discussion boards work.
I've done NOTHING to give feminism a "bad name", and by the way, idiot, I'm also not a woman.
@Sibs1990 You may find facts boring, but they're still the facts, knowing the truth doesn't make one "stupid" nor does respecting the rights of women to control their own bodies and compreshensive health care.
And you can shove your insult to my parents right up your ass.
And one more thing, as I've told others--I will be COLD AND DEAD before assholes like you bully me into "just shut up" for one SECOND. I will NOT.
@Sibs1990 Lack of regard for human life?? We're talking about the murder of a physician who SAVED LIVES, and you think I have "lack of regard for human life"?? What crap! This bullshit of blaming the woman, and thinking she should be "punished" for human sexuality is fascist trash. To tell ONLY women "you can have a job and a future if you're a puritan, have sex and you're NOTHING" is sexist and cruel and stupid and very indecent. DECISIONS??? Yes, people make their OWN DECISIONS, not you.
@Sibs1990 Well, it's absolutely not "evil", and whether it's "selfish" or not for a young woman to not give up her education and any hope of ever having a decent job rather than waiting until she's better prepared to be a good parent is NOT your decision to make.
"Protection" is not 100%, ever, and it's funny that even when it's forgotten in the heat of the moment, the man is ignored and the woman punished severely for the rest of her life. You're disgusted by womens' rights and equality??
@Sibs1990 It's a gross LIE to say women are "selfish" for controlling their own bodies. NO, men can NOT force a woman who doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to do so, a woman is NOT the property of any man, married or not.
It most certainly is NOT murder.And if you think it's wrong, you have every right to NOT have an abortion, you do NOT have the right to deny this constitutional right to all women.
@nickhawkman The most vile of lies, outright blasphemy. There is no "hell", even the most despicable of sinners like the murderer who killed Dr. Tiller aren't forgiven by God's perfect grace, and it's an even WORSE lie to say Tiller belongs in "hell", he was a great hero who saved countless lives and provided health care to those most desperately needing it.
@PrisonerNumber9653 hell may/may not exist, and he may have been a hero, and also may have saved countless lives, but he prevented countless lives as well...
@nickhawkman It's not a sin to "prevent" lives. Birth control does the same thing. When the "life" being prevented is not wanted by the parents, all FORCING it into existence causes is misery for all concerned.
@PrisonerNumber9653 idk in my opinion, its one thing to "prevent" life like birth control, but for life to already be "created" and put on the path for existence, then taken off the path... it just doesn't seem fair. if necessary, get an early abortion and be done. a late term abortion, the ones he does, just isn't the same. you're preventing the life of a fetus that may possibly be viable already. im not for abortion at all, but better early than late. just my opinion, you dont have to agree.
@nickhawkman It's not different, calling a non-viable fetus a "baby" or "human life" is a matter of OPINION. Should you choose to look at it that way, that is you choice.
And it's not the least bit surprising how little you know about Tiller's work. The late term abortions he performed were on NON-VIABLE fetuses, at which point you have 3 choices--Intact D&X (misnamed "partial birth" by the far right) C-section or live birth, forcing either of those last two is very cruel & especially dangerous
@prisonernumber9653 reading your statements i figured you were refering to yourself as a prisoner of whatever kind. (in this world maybe?)i did think you had the more plausible argumentation and you seem to be aware of a broader picture of the world. and who was prisoner number 9653 ?
@looksi Sorry for slow response, Eugene Debs was a great union leader, several times ran for President of the United States as a socialist. He was jailed for speaking in opposition to WWI (so much for freedom of speech!) and ran, again, for President from a jail cell in Atlanta. His campaign material said "Prisoner Number 9653 for President".
“While there is a lower class I am in it; while there is a criminal element I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free”
@orangeblood307 and @prisonernumber9653 i´ve read most of your discussion here and i only have one thing to say: Even your youtube names say a lot about you: loving the selfirony of prisonernumber- and also the calling out you did on orangeblood. I´m not getting the meaning of orangeblood though- you sound like a down to earth guy but try thinking out of the box for once. might do you some good.
@fezbhoy19 Yeah, what constitutes a baby? Is a fetus a baby? Or in the classic term is it human? It doesn't have nerve senses so is it a human, it doesn't have feelings so is it human? That's really what the whole argument is about when do you consider the thing growing inside a pregnant woman an actual baby or human. Is it right at conception when it is nothing but a few cells?
@Xirbtt No, a fetus is NOT a baby. The whole argument is terribly complicated, and one a woman should be allowed to decide for HERSELF.
I honestly believe that were I a woman I'd probably not choose abortion except under truly extraordinary circumstances. But I'd want it to be MY choice.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah I know and I agree with you I was just responding to someone who was basically asking "Why don't nobody ever ask the fetuses about what they want!?" which is silly.
@orangeblood307 Tiller never killed any babies, and NOBODY should respect this scumbag who murdered a physician in a church in front of children for sick, radical political views.
@orangeblood307 Liar, it is a FETUS, not a baby, and for all the hysterical bullshit about the procedure, that is ONLY done to save the life and health of the mother. You care more about fetuses than living women, cruel and sexist and unconstitutional.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Late-term abortions are fully developed babies, dumbass..... And do you really think that every abortion he did was to save the mom??? LOL. That's bullshit. He did thousands of late term abortions, their lives weren't all in danger. I already said if the mom was raped or if her life is in danger I don't have a problem with an abortion.
@orangeblood307 Still a lie. They are NOT babies. They are fetuses. They are NOT the same thing! It is AGAINST THE LAW for a late-term abortion except to save the life and health of the mother, YES it was done solely for that reason.
You AGAIN post this BULLSHIT that it's only OK for you to not force a woman into an unwanted pregnancy if her life is in danger, you forget ON PURPOSE her health, putting embryos ahead of women cruelly and, thank God, unconstitutionally.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I guess you don't know what a LATE-TERM abotion is... It's a full developed baby, fucking google it. There are a couple states that late-term abortion is legal no matter what the circumstances. And what kind of sicko wakes up 1 day and decides to kill babies for a living, that tells me everything I need to know about him. Fetuses are still alive, just because the mom's a lazy whore doesn't mean she should be able to murder her own fetus/baby.
@orangeblood307 I know EXACTLY what it is. And it is NOT a "baby" it is a FETUS. It's not a baby until it's been BORN. There are NO states where it's legal regardless of circumstance, NONE.
To call a doctor giving care to women a "sicko" is sleazy trash. Calling women "lazy whores" shows the bigotry at the heart of this. it's not about concern for babies, it's about hating women and denying them equality. You don't get to call ANYONE a "sicko" with that kind of hate in you.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I love women, i'm not a faggot. But I know a lot of them are fucking sluts and are fully capable of taking care of a baby. So you think a fully-developed "fetus" is different from a baby? LOL they are the same thing, this convo is over. Do you really think he took the profession of sucking brains out to help women? I guess i'm the only one who can see right through him.
@orangeblood307 So, you confirm your bigotry with a scumbag slur toward ANOTHER group. And, no, liar, you do NOT love women as you call them "lazy whores" and "sluts" and attack their rights. YES a fetus is different from a baby. They are NOT the same thing. A baby has been BORN, a fetus has NOT. He took the profession of PHYSICIAN, and provided health care to women who NOBODY else would help. George Tiller was a hero. HE cared about women, you do not.
@PrisonerNumber9653 A fully developed fetus is a baby, idk how to get that through your head. He helped SOME women. Every abortion he did was not to save a womens life, some were just sluts who were too lazy to take care of their kid. I'm not calling every women a slut, just the women who are sluts.... and you would even know there are ALOT of sluts out there.... But you liberals can keep your abortions and we will keep our right to bear arms.... Convo over.
@orangeblood307 No, it isn't. It's a FETUS. it's a baby AFTER IT HAS BEEN BORN. He helped EVERY woman who asked him. Your SCUMBAG BIGOT attacks on women show you do NOT care about them. AT ALL. And, AGAIN, you FLAMING IDIOT, it was ILLEGAL for late term abortions for ANY reason but life and health of the mother. You ARE calling women sluts, it's an insult to EVERY woman. Be asexual, or you're a slut.
Your "right to bear arms"? Are you in the National Guard? What a bullshit comparison.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm flattered you wrote me a book but you're still talking non sense. I didn't call every woman a slut, just the ones who fuck around, get pregnant, and then decide they want to kill their fetus/baby(whatever the fuck it is, it's still alive) just because they're too lazy raise a kid... I'm not talking about the women who actually need an abortion to save their own life. And I wasn't comparing the 2, I was just saying y'all can keep doing your abortions and ill keep my guns.
@orangeblood307 Liar. You said EVERY woman is a "slut" unless she's a virgin, a despicable, sexist lie. Calling people who are not ready, in their lives or economically to raise a child responsibly "lazy" is horseshit.
And AGAIN you say "save their life" you IGNORE the cases where the HEALTH of the mother is at stake, cruelly and stupidly...and intentionally.
And you ARE comparing the two, and they're NOT comparable. Guns kill people, women's rights save lives.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Guns don't kill people, people do.... Fucking idiot. You truly are not a very good listener, I said sluts.... not every girl who has had sex is a slut. Sluts are sluts, I shouldn't have to give you the definition of one. And the only reason I was comparing the 2 issues (guns and abortion) is because liberals try and take away gun rights and conservatives try and take away abortion rights... Abortion is 50x worse than a fucking gun LOL, you're a dumbass.
@orangeblood307 Wow, NRA bumper sticker slogans, and you call ME an idiot?? Guns DO kill people. It's their only purpose. Calling women "sluts" is a vicious hateful slur to women, and liberals do NOT take away gun rights, you MORON!!! you have no "right" to an automatic weapon. you have no "right" to cop-killer bullets. You have no "right" to keep a loaded handgun on the coffee table next to a 3 year old. This isn't about "rights", UNLIKE reproductive choice which IS about rights.
@PrisonerNumber9653 LOL, you're truly an idiot if you think the only purpose for a gun is to kill.... You watch too many movies. I shoot everyday and don't kill a thing while i'm doing it, so how is that possible according to your "logic"?? Automatic weapons are already illegal, keeping a gun around a child is illegal.... so what's you're point?? If I wanted to kill the most people I would just go to wal mart and run over everyone I see, vehicles can kill more people than a fucking gun.
@orangeblood307 I don't watch any movies, jackass, I know the policies and the statistics. Guns kill tens of thousands of people in this nation every year. The right fights like DEMONS to keep weapons that should be illegal on our streets. Keeping a gun around a child is NOT illegal, and EVERY time we try to make the laws tighter and keep our kids safer, radical groups like the NRA jump in and stop it. Vehicles have a PURPOSE, guns do not.
@PrisonerNumber9653 LOL, and how many vehicular death were there?? A vehicle is the biggest weapon you can own. Plus, you're just a slave if you can't defend yourself from a tryanical government, that's the main purpose for the 2nd amendment. What about self-defence?? What about hunting?? What about defending your family from a home invasion like I had to do?? There are many reasons but when you liberals hear the word "gun" you pussies piss your pants.
@orangeblood307 There are an almost equal number, in fact gun deaths are on the INCREASE with vehicle deaths dropping. The 2nd Amendment is about the NATIONAL GUARD, dumbass. You are NOT part of a "well-regulated militia", are you?? ARE YOU???
"Defending your family" what bullshit. A person with a gun in the home is FAR more likely to kill one of his own family members than to "defend his family". The childishness of calling public safety "being a pussy" is incredible. Take it to middle school.
@orangeblood307 Well, had I posted your pathetic pack of lies, I'd have removed it, too. Here's the basics--statistically it is FAR more likely that having a gun in your house will lead to the death of a family member than a "bad guy". You talk about the language of the 2nd, IGNORING the "well-regulated militia" part, which IS the National Guard. THAT IS THE WELL-REGULATED MILITIA!!! The constitution not only says they can be regulated but that they MUST.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Read it again, dumbass. There are 2 seperate parts of the 2nd amendment, LOL! Am I talking to a 12 year old??? The 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, AND the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." HAHA it's funny how liberals only like the constitution when they agree with it. But i'm done replying to you, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, go back to school.
@orangeblood307 Lie. They are NOT separate. It's the SAME AMENDMENT. The Supremes OVER AND OVER AGAIN confirmed the well-regulated militia means THE NATIONAL GUARD. Private citizens do NOT have the "right" to own any weapon with no regulation at all as radical groups like the NRA falsely claim. It's a LIE to say "we only like the constitution when we agree with it", you DON'T agree with it, you MAKE UP what it means to suit your sick desires. I know what I'm talking about, you do NOT.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You truly have 0% common sense. I have a fucking flashlight on my gun, how the hell would I shoot my own family members?? LOL, I really hope someone breaks in your house and rapes you, you would realize how easy it is to stop a maniac if you have a firearm. The 2nd amendment: "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The 2nd amendment is about more than just the national guard DUMBASS. Go back to history class, you're an idiot.
@orangeblood307 no, only women who have sex and accidentally become pregnant...which can happen to ANYONE. It's a vile, sexist slur, and your "definition" includes an awful lot of people who do NOT deserve your ugly hateful insult.
NOBODY has had legitimate guns rights taken away. NOBODY. Reasonable common sense gun safety laws take NOTHING away from you, violate NOBODY'S rights. That is NOT true for the far right;s attempts to rob women of their reproductive rights. Guns are FAR worse.
@PrisonerNumber9653 If someone hits you with a stick, you don't blame the stick, same thing with guns. Guns are everywhere in my city and we never have any issues, unless you go to the hood lol. I know you probably don't think i'm pro-choice but I AM, I just have STRONG opinions about certain people who abuse abortion... I'm not for government intervening into peoples' personal lives. But I'm tired of youtube so I will not be replying anymore. Good day to you.
@orangeblood307 Sticks don't lead to tens of thousands of deaths. Having guns in the house DRAMATICALLY increases the chances of accidental death, murder, and suicide. The claim they don't kill is a lie. If you have guns all over your city of COURSE you have issues. Serious ones. The despicable racism of saying there are no issues except in the "hood" is vomitous. So, white people can have guns but blacks can't? What an incredible lowlife you are.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol, you are so fucking clueless it's starting to get funny. I'm the low-life haha you live on youtube, now who's the lowlife. I would love to see some "statistics" or some proof of your brainless conclusions about guns. You seriously need to start using facts instead of saying idiotic shit that you think are facts. I'll tell you a fact: New York City and Chicago have the strictest gun laws but yet they have the highest crime rates. Hmmm. I wonder why.
@orangeblood307 I am using facts, as opposed to your disgusting racism (which, I notice, you fail to address)
The murder rate in cities where poverty is exploding are high...and would be HIGHER were it not for common sense gun safety laws. It's been proven over and over again...not "thought", proven...that gun control saves lives.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You're the one that was being RACIST!! You assume only black people live in the hood!! I have plenty of black neighbors and I don't live in the hood. SO who's being racist again?? LOL fucking hypocrite. Gun control saves the lives of criminals not law-abiding citizens lives. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns in America, strict gun laws only restricts law-abiding citizens from aquiring firearms, not criminals!! How dumb are you?? Criminals love it when citizens are not armed.
@orangeblood307 Liar!! I am NOT a racist!!! YOU are the one talking about "the hood", obviously implying black people. Who is being racist? YOU ARE. Gun control saves lives, NOT of criminals you fucking idiot. The BULLSHIT of "criminals will always have guns" makes as much sense as saying "people will always commit rape, so we must make rape legal". Criminals get guns far EASIER because of assholes like you.
Citizens being armed ONLY means more death, it doesn't scare criminals or reduce crime.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol, you're racist, I didn't imply shit. All kinds of people live in the hood, you implied black people. So, if you were a criminal, wouldn't you feel safer robbing people when you know they have no way of defending themselves?? It does scare criminals when more citizens are armed, that's just fucking common sense. Just look at Chicago, they banned guns and crime soared. Atleast i'm stating facts, you're just giving me your misinformed opinions, you state NO FACTS!!
@orangeblood307 And that remains a vile and idiotic LIE. I am certainly NOT a racist, your racism is clear and the pathetic childish trash of racists going, "nuh uh, YOU'RE a racist!!" when it's pointed out is truly weak. People are NOT "defending themselves" by carrying guns, they're making themselves more likely to be killed, there is NO common sense in gun nuts, none. Crime is in Chicago because of POVERTY, not gun control, they have NOTHING to do with one another. Your lies are NOT "facts".
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol I was being sarcastic about you being racist, I was just pointing out that if anyone was being racist it's you.... I never implied black people, you just assumed it. I hate when people play the race card over stupid shit. Poverty does account for a lot of crime but crime soared after they banned guns in Chicago, that's not a coincedence. I'm done replying to you.... You make absolutely no sense. Bye bye.
@orangeblood307 And that remains a vile lie, I've said nothing REMOTELY racist. You know GOD DAMN WELL that "the hood" implies black people, it WAS a racist things to say.
There is no such thing as a 'race card', it's a stupid bigoted term saying "racism doesn't REALLY exist, it's just this game blacks play"
Poverty is THE reason for crime, gun control DID NOT cause an increase in crime. It never has. Guns don't prevent crime, they just cause death. I make too much sense and that scares you.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol!! Actually you make no sense but it's real funny that you actually believe you do. My God, I feel sorry for whoever has to live with your stupidity. Anyone with any common sense knows there are many reasons to own a firearm if you are a LAW-ABIDNG citizen. Look at all the people in the middle east that can't defend themselves from their tyrannical governments. That is the main purpose of the 2nd amendment!! When will you stop replying to me?? This is getting old.
@orangeblood307 it's not "stupidity", it's human decency. Anyone with common sense can look at the DATA and realize they are far more safe WITHOUT owning a firearm. Go onto the street with a gun, you are MORE LIKELY to die from that gun than you are to scare off a bad guy.
And don't you DARE talk about "tyrannical governments", off all the shit from gun nuts, this "I need a gun to murder cops and government officials if I don't like the laws" is worst.
@PrisonerNumber9653 LOL LOL you state no FACTS STILL...... I can tell you never held or even shot a firearm. They don't just shoot without someone cocking it and pulling the trigger you fucking idiot. The 2nd is about being able to defend yourself from tyrannical governments, just open a history book and you would know that. LOL I really wish people like you would just move to Canada or Europe if you're that much of an uninformed dumbass.
@orangeblood307 So, you ARE Under this despicable delusion that the 2nd exists so you can murder cops and government officials if you don't like the laws they pass. That is TRULY vile and wrong, it is not in ANY history book at all.
I'm not uninformed, I'm a very long-time student of politics and of history and of the constitution.
WHY DO YOU IGNORE THE WORDS "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA"?? Do you know what "well-regulated" means? Do you think blowing away cops is "well-regulated"??
@PrisonerNumber9653 You do know there are 2 separate parts to the 2nd amendment? LOL you are very delusional. Tyrannical governments does not mean murdering cops and government officials, are you really that dumb? Do you not remember the American Revolution? The government would have ALL of the control over the people if citizens are not armed. You're a slave if you are defenseless to your own government. Please move to Europe if you want the government to control everything and limit liberties.
@orangeblood307 Move to Europe if you want the government to control everything and limit liberties? You haven't paid attention very much to America the past decade have you? I don't blame you though because paying attention sucks.
@orangeblood307 And you want to IGNORE the part that says WHY it exists, what the law REFERS to, just throw it in the trash. YES, saying "I want guns to fight tyrannical government" means killing cops and government officials, it's saying you need guns to keep our government from doing what you don't like. That's NOT what it's about, it's about OTHER governments, requiring our defense through a WELL-REGULATED MILITIA.
Shove "move to Europe" up your ass, I'm not going anywhere.
@PrisonerNumber9653 And you want to ignore the fact that it says: "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Which is a separate issue than what you implied. There are 2 SEPARATE parts. Have you not read what Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin have said about the main purpose of the 2nd amendment is? Just do some research. The government works for the people, not the other way around. But, i'm 100% sure you're too mentally unstable to keep replying to you.
@orangeblood307 No, I'm NOT ignoring that. It is part of a WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, and I'm not denying that MILITIA, the US National Guard, their right to bear arms. Nor, the right of sportsmen to have weapons, or even those foolish enough to want them in their home for "protection"...WITH SOME REASONABLE SAFETY REGULATION. The problem is the NRA nuts want NO regulation, claiming preposterously that the 2nd means they can have cop killer bullets.
@orangeblood307 Yes, the government works for the people, that does NOT mean you get to shoot them if you don't like what they say or do. Who gets to define "tyranny"? There are phony "militia" types out there claiming taxation is, that public education is, to they get to blow away the school board chairwoman?
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not saying we shouldn't have SOME regulations but we don't need anymore regulations than we already have. It's fucking obvious when you have a tyrannical government, just look at Libya, Yemen and the middle east, we are having to arm the people because previously they weren't allowed to have weapons to defend themselves. I'm not talking about killing ANYONE, i'm talking about being able to defend yourself if shit ever went seriously wrong in this country. ITS COMMON SENSE
Guess everyone thinks he enjoyed this job. Probably the toughest thing to have to go through in the medical profession. These women's lives were on the line as well. Tiller was a man of god, and to be murdered in your own church. I hope Roeder is enjoying prison and those lovely showers.
He's was certainly no man of God, his god was satan. Hitler had nothing on that monster, I am certainly glad he is in hell and cannot harm another infant.
George Tiller assured [Luhra Tivis] that he only performed late-term abortions on “severely deformed” children or for a medical crisis...
“I was seeing 8- and 9-month pregnant women come in, and out of those 2 dozen a week, only about 2% had medical deformities. I thought I was pro-choice back then, but week after week I kept seeing these women coming in with healthy babies and I saw all the records. I didn’t think that was right.”
I would also like to have all the prodeath folks hold an aborted baby in your hands!! I had that awful opportunity in science class, i was one of the lost when i was young and stupid,till that day when the teacher was passing him around like an object. a little baby HUMAN baby in Formaldehyde, that moment that instant I was totally changed and from that moment on I am Prolife thank God that I saw the light. I hope the rest of this one grand country does as well.
Please remember it is a child in the womb. The child is just the same in the womb as when coming home from the hospital after birth. Would we kill a child 5 days after their birth if the circumstances are difficult? No. That is why abortion is murder because it is just the same. This guy Dr. Tiller misguided women and killed children.
Exposing what takes place in facilities run by the likes of Dr. Gosnell would shock voters into taking decisive action to make abortion illegal. This is why the killing of innocent unborn children is done largely away from public view. It is a creeping, hidden genocide that can continue only if the fiction of abortion being a "medical procedure" is maintained.
@motorniczy7777 despicable lie. He was an outstanding doctor, providing vital health care to women NOBODY else had the courage to help. He was a great hero...not a "Nazi", not a "butcher". A hero.
@PrisonerNumber9653 A hero for providing late term abortions?? Sucking a babys brain through their skulls are what heros do?? You're a fucking sick sub-human being.
@orangeblood307 It isn't a baby, and YES preserving the life and health of women by providing health care NO other physician had the courage to perform absolutely IS heroic. There's nothing "sick" about saving women's lives, and that is what Tiller did. These were NON-VIABLE fetuses, they were going to die anyway. These abortions HAD to be performed, by stupidly banning intact D&X, anti-choice radicals required women to undergo c-sections for no reason at all, often at great risk.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Late term abortions is killing a fully developed baby. He did all kinds of abortions not just the ones that benefited the mother. He's just trying to justify what he really does.
@orangeblood307 Lie. It is NOT a baby, and AGAIN these are NON-VIABLE fetuses. EVERY procedure he did benefitted the mother, who CHOSE not to be pregnant for her own reasons. And, AGAIN in EVERY case a late-term abortion is ONLY legal to save the life and health of the mother.
What he did was health care, it doesn't NEED "justification", it's justified in the constitution of the United States. And the sick lies you're spewing led to his murder.
Thanks mom for not going to this guy when I was just an "unwanted fetus." Really appreciate it.
BTW, I do not sanction this man's murder in anyway. I hope he is in heaven, though I hope he has some remorse for doing something which I believe is extremely immoral, at least I understand better why he did it. God forgive us all.
2:33 I hope more people watch this video. This is the voice of pragmatism and utilitarianism. This is how a person starts to talk when they forsake rational thought. You turn humans into objects and then cast them into a bad play where the dialogue is not grounded in reality. If abortion is about "hopes and dreams" then why are there human hands and feet and crushed in skulls in dumpsters? The abortion industry is truly made up of people who ignore reality.
I agree with you, amazing how generally kind and good people rationalize things which are really nasty. The fetus/unborn baby, especially in such a late term, definitely feel pain and definitely have value as a human life.
@chukmaty But, half those fetuses are female, and in being anti-choice you already show that females have no value as humans. They only exist to serve men as baby factories.
In these late term abortions, they are NOT for ANY reason but the health of the mother--which obviously means nothing at all to you.
saying abortion is murder is a primitive thought process. Look long term. When a woman has been raped, how is it immoral to have an abortion. It is her body and she was violated and had no choice in the matter. Having a child that will either have serious congenital disorders and live through inexorable pain is also not wanted. Morality is very complex and simplifying it into abortion= murder inspires vigilante zealots to kill people like Dr Tiller.
@Dpesh7 You think if someone is concieved by rape, they should die for something someone else did? Same thing with people that have disabilities? You think they should die too for THE WAY THEY WERE CREATED??? If that is your version of morality, then go back to 1940's Germany. You and your pro-"choice" buddies would fit in real good there.
People say you can't justify abortion with murder. You can't, but not for the same reason these idiots think. The reason why these people kill abortion doctors is not because they just hate them, they think that it's better to trade one life (the doctor) in order to save possibly many more (the babies). Think before you say something you believe is "clever" like murdering an abortion doctor doesn't make sense. It's admittedly wrong, but as for the reason people do it, it does make sense.
You certainly are filled with hatred, aren't you? Is that what you learned from Jesus? It would seem to me that you are devoid of any and all human compassion and therefore it is pointless to even try to communicate with you. Peace be with you if that is ever possible for someone of your ilk. Do not bother trying to respond because any response from you or any who think like you will be ignored.
@mrabuckten Dr. Tiller died because he was murdered by a depraved person. Someone with whom it seems you may well relate. It seems that perhaps your heart is filled with hatred for all who disagree with you so it is pointless to carry on with any "discussion".
@kjboy27 Tiller the Serial Killer got what he deserved and the man who sent him to the lowest level of hell should have a postage stamp made for him. Scott Roeder is a true hero who has saved the lives of thousands, maybe millions of innocent children. If I lived within 50 miles of his grave, I would take a big huge dump on it. Too bad he wasn't burned with hot iron, beaten with metal baseball bats, castrated, stretched on a rack, and sodomized with a toilet brush before he was sent to hell.
@Sueezee1 I bet I had higher SAT scores than you did. i bet you weren't valedictorian, with a 99.8 GPA, captain of the football team, broke the school record for sacks, recieved both full academic and athletic scholarships. I took an AP Calculus course as a sophomore and I have memorized every significant historical document of the last 1000 years. I play 5 instruments as well. So there you go with making fun of my intellect.
All I ever here on the topic of abortion is "I'm christian and you're killing babies because my pastor said you are and scripture somewhat claims such a thing is wrong, although it's subject to interpretation and has been translated through several different languages and Jesus loves me so I'm right...." And all I have to say to these people is "Idiots" I believe in Jesus, I believe he forgives, loves and sacrificed himself for humanity. Because he knew humans couldn't do it on their own. LOVE!
rushmanzero 2 days ago in playlist ProChoice and proud
Paul Hill is a HERO. He died a martyr
IrenaPrude 2 weeks ago
Dr Tiller is DEAD and in HELL. The Shooter was sent by God.
IrenaPrude 2 weeks ago
@IrenaPrude You know, you lot claim that this country is discriminating against Christians. Yet you post comments like this, and then expect us to roll over and take your arrogant, hate filled dogma. Three words for ya; Rot in hell~
shinobi67 6 days ago
@IrenaPrude My point is, you're really not improving the image of your religion by portraying your God as having no qualms with wanton murder.
shinobi67 5 days ago
what a shame that this man was murdered for providing women with safe access to abortions. It is exactly like he said, abortions are not about babies, families; they are about ensuring the hopes and dreams and SURVIVAL of women who are living, feeling humans TODAY.
RIP Dr. Tiller
9sunnydays 4 weeks ago
George Tiller can't help you, only Jesus Christ can help you!
Only Jesus Christ saves
jowbowcow 1 month ago
Whoa, people calm down! This is not a place to have a catfight and use swear words. Once you use a swear word, a lot of people are less likely to listen to you. Why do we have to be "yelling" back and forth about who's going to hell? Can't we just be sad that these innocent babies were slaughtered and angry that someone would kill them instead of calling each other names?
SaltwaterAir1 1 month ago
@SaltwaterAir1 So, we can't be angry that someone decided to murder a man in cold blood because of the medical procedures he performed? Abortion being illegal certainly didn't stop people from doing it before, and striking down Roe vs. Wade won't stop the issue. People get abortions, for a multitude of reasons. While I'm a bit critical of the ones who just get them to "get rid of a mistake," there are extreme cases (rape, incest, undue risk to the mother) that warrant thought.
shinobi67 6 days ago
@SaltwaterAir1 In cases of rape and incest, the pregnancy would bring all manner of undue psychological harm on the woman in question. While I support adoption in such circumstances myself, it's not my right to deny her a procedure if she's sure that she wants to go through with it. (And for the record, I'm talking about first trimester abortions, anything after that is a bit too disturbing).
shinobi67 6 days ago
@shinobi67 I respect your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from. However, I've heard that in the cases of rape and incest, the child can bring healing to the mother. Take a look at Jaycee Dugard's experience for example. As far as getting angry about Tiller's death, I do not uphold murder at all. However George Tiller was quite a bit less defenseless than the unborn babies he aborted, so it (to me) is quite a bit less outrageous.Besides, he took so many lives, he kinda deserved it.
SaltwaterAir1 6 days ago
@SaltwaterAir1 Thanks for at least being respectful, it's nice to know that there are people on "the other side" who still are. And I'm not trying to say that the children of all rape victims are a source of psychological harm. I'm just trying to outline some of the other reasons that people would choose to have the procedure carried out. They're not all selfish. But as for Tiller, wasn't he just randomly shot in the head while attending a church service with his family?
shinobi67 6 days ago
@SaltwaterAir1 While he was a fully grown man, more than likely able to at least defend himself in a fair fight, the circumstances that lead to his death weren't exactly fair. And, personal opinion here, no one deserves to be murdered in cold blood. Just know that I'm not going to point fingers at the entire pro-life movement for this. I have many friends who are pro-lifers, there are moderates and radicals on both sides. In fact, wasn't the shooter schizophrenic?
shinobi67 6 days ago
@shinobi67 I don't know the details of his death, but like I said, I am not excusing whoever killed him at all. Violence is almost never the answer, and murder is definitely never the answer. And I agree that no one deserves to be murdered in cold blood; but the Bible does state that those who live by the sword should die by the sword. (I.E., murder should have the death penalty) But it should not be performed by angry citizens, it should be performed by officials AFTER a fair trial.
SaltwaterAir1 6 days ago
@shinobi67 Not excusing the killer at all you understand. Just saying it's less enraging. And I have to confess, it's a little comforting that the abortion side has lost such a big advocate...though it would have been better if he had turned pro-life instead of been murdered...sorry if I am talking in circles.
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 months ago
@RadarGuidedVermin You really are a funny clown. And your fascination with my sex life is becoming very, very bizarre.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 months ago
@RadarGuidedVermin I takes a special kind of sleaze to celebrate the cold-blooded murder of a physician who saved lives.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
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George Tiller, MD: "I am a baby murderer"
Nick1989 2 months ago
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Nick1989 2 months ago
Bye bye baby killer. How do you like burning in hell with all the women who enjoyed your services?
Biggerbyte 2 months ago
@Biggerbyte It's the vilest of insults to the Lord God to think someone is tortured in "hell" for providing medical services to women who needed them, and an even sicker blasphemy to say God would torture women who had abortions..Tiller never killed any babies. Not a single one. Nobody "enjoys" having an abortion, jackass, but it is the better choice for millions of women, a GOD-GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT that nobody who respects women would lie so terribly to try to rob.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
Abortion is not about babies and families tiller? You slaughtered babies and destroyed families. I'm glad he's dead. Scott Roeder did his part in ridding the world of evil.
Nick1989 2 months ago
@Nick1989 Vicious, despicable lies. Tiller never "slaughtered" anyone, did NOT kill babies, and NEVER destroyed ANY family. He PRESERVED thousands of families, nothing destroys a family like having to raise a child they're not ready for.
Scott Roeder and his scumbag cheerleaders for murder are evil, Dr. Tiller was a hero who saved thousands of lives.
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes he did, he gave them heart attacks and drilled into their skulls. Adoption is an option for pregnant women not willing to raise their children. People like you need to be shot in the fuckin head the same way tiller was.
Nick1989 2 months ago
@Nick1989 Lie, big huge despicable destructive LIES. This procedure was NOT done on babies, it was on FETUSES, and on NON-VIABLE ones at that. To support butchering women because you find the far safer procedure "icky" is lunacy.
Adoption is AN OPTION. You bet it is, and plenty of women CHOOSE that. That is NOT the best option for many, many women, and they make the choice, not you and not the government.
A guy pretending to be pro-life supporting murder. Hypocrite of the week award!!
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Fetuses are babies you fuckin faggot. And yes, he was killing viable ones. He was killing babies right before due date. You have no idea what you're talking about. Where did you get that I support butchering women? You truly are a fuckin piece of shit. It is up to us to stop the slaying of the innocent. The only murder I support is murder of the evil. You support the pure evil that tiller was.
Nick1989 2 months ago
@Nick1989 No, moron, a fetus is NOT a baby. It will become a baby later.
It's a LIE to claim Tiller EVER used intact D&E (which the hard right mis-named "partial-birth") for a viable fetus. Never happened. Ever. They weren't "babies," and the pregnancies were terminated because the fetus WAS GOING TO DIE ANYWAY. YOU DO SUPPORT BUTCHERING WOMEN, trying to ban a safe, easy procedure and forcing major surgery for no good reason.
Your lies and bigotry are more evil than anything Tiller ever did.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Asshole, fetuses are people whether you want to recognize it or not. They're babies. Viable babies were slaughtered by him without valid medical reasons that endangered the women's lives. Evidence turned up showing this. Forcing major surgery for no good reason? What the fuck are you talking about?
Nick1989 1 month ago
@Nick1989 Lie after lie. They're NOT babies, they are fetuses. NONE was "slaughtered," NOT A SINGLE ONE in the intact D&E procedures was viable. NOT ONE. The "evidence" was a pack of LIES from a hard right Kansas AG with an agenda to shut down ALL women's health clinics.
That you have to ask "what the fuck are you talking about" proves my point 100%
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MEDICINE!!
So why are you telling doctors how to do their job?
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@Nick1989 And you prove your bigotry and ignorance in your use of a homophobic slur. So, you're against equality for women and you hate gay people, but you want to murder someone in cold blood in front of a church full of people, including kids, because of your phony concern for fetuses?
Your priorities are perverse. Like most anti-choice lowlifes, you couldn't give half a damn about children.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not against equality for women, I'm against women that have their unborn children murdered. And I didn't say that I hate gay people, I called YOU a faggot, you're clearly making up stuff as you go along. You're so out of it it's unbelievable. You're saying my priorities are perverse and you're getting bent out of shape over the death of a disgusting piece of shit baby murderer. tiller's execution wasn't cold blood murder, it was extermination of evil.
Nick1989 1 month ago
@Nick1989 Yeah, if you're against reproductive choice you ARE against equality for women. It isn't murder, and they aren't children.
And it IS hateful towards gays to use that vile slur. It's calling someone the n-word, then saying "Oh, but I'm not racist". Bullshit.
I'm not making up anything. Your priorities ARE perverse. To weep over embryos then celebrate cold-blooded murder and say people "should be shot in the head" is perverse priorities.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@Nick1989 Dr. Till was NOT a murderer, he was a hero. He was a courageous physician providing life-saving medical care for women nobody else would see because of terrorist threats from anti-choice Nazis like yourself. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Intact D&E procedures he did was medically necessary. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
It's insane hypocrisy to pretend to care about life, then barf out "don't get bent out of shape of the death of this"...whatever.
Tiller's death WAS cold blooded murder, nothing else.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 shut up, you don't know what you're talkin about.
Nick1989 1 month ago
@Nick1989 In other words, no, I don't see you doing any of those things. Like the rest of the anti-choice nuts, you don't give a damn about children.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 And you're saying I don't care about children. I hope you realize you're irrationality one day. There's no getting through to you.
Nick1989 1 month ago
@Nick1989 There's nothing remotely irrational about it. You DON'T give a shit about children. You only care about denying rights to women. You have this perverse sense of priorities about "saving" embryos, forcing women to have unwanted children, and...
then what?
Do I see you helping with child care?
Do I see you helping with education?
Do I see you doing ANYTHING AT ALL to make a better life for these kids?
Ever?
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
What a despicable man. Scott Roeder saved a lot of little kids by ridding the world of this menace
freedonfromfox2 2 months ago
@freedonfromfox2 A "menace" does not operate a medical clinic offering constitutional rights to women with severe health problems. The procedure the hard right has lied in calling "partial-birth" is ONLY performed on NON-VIABLE FETUSES. In other words, the fetus is going to die ANYWAY, the only choice is this procedure or a dangerous, invasive surgery. FORCING surgery on women when a far safer and easier procedure is available is butchery.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
may the Lord have mercy on ur soul rite now that i believe to be in hell...was it worth it?
patriciacarrasco 4 months ago
I'm a douche? You don't even know me. I'm a good person and I treat other human beings with dignity and respect. This includes pregnant women which means I respect their decision to abort if they know that having a baby would ruin not only their lives but the child's life as well.
Women will find a way to get an abortion even if it's made illegal. But then they'll die on kitchen tables with a coat hanger between their legs. Let a woman decide when it's right to have a child.
Nuovaisme 4 months ago 2
@Nuovaisme Yeah, the percentage of illegal abortions will raise if this evil ever stops, but the solution to that is ENFORCING the law and executing every single motherfucker that runs the illegal abortions, not keeping it legal because of it happening anyway. Rape happens anyway, does that mean we should make it legal? Yeah women may die in illegal abortions, but thats their own fault, they're willingly partaking in an illegal act to have their child killed.
Nick1989 2 months ago
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@Nick1989 My God, you people are just sick. You want to show you "respect life" by murdering people who help desperate women with unwanted pregnancies.
It should NOT only be kept legal because it will happen anyway, it should ALSO be kept legal because it is a human right, extends equality to women, prevents massive amounts of child abuse and unwanted children. We already have far too many.
"It's their own fault"? What a bastard.
And it is NOT an "illegal act," it is a constitutional right.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
Quick question: anyone ever heard of adoption? Positive alternative to abortion. You don't end the child's life, but you don't have to keep it.
SaltwaterAir1 4 months ago 2
@SaltwaterAir1 sometimes having the child is not an option for multiple reasons but you most likely wont understand that because you are most likely a conservative close minded christian
patarfuyfuy 1 month ago
His death is a complete and utter tragedy and reminds me a lot of the murder of Theo Van Gogh. Religious fanaticism is and was the most detrimental factor in the furthering of human society.
Dr. Tiller was a hero and I hope that his philosophy carries on and other physicians are brave enough to do what he did.
Nuovaisme 5 months ago
@Nuovaisme im sure ur a douche just like he was
jofo817 4 months ago
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Baby killing bastard.
surviveclubnz 5 months ago
I laughed at 2:49
AfthartosVideos 6 months ago
@AfthartosVideos wow. . . . . just wow
allthingsss 6 months ago
So we arrest the guy that killed a man who had killed thousands of future babies. Ya makes sense
Tsaunders1307 6 months ago
@Tsaunders1307 Future "babies" don't equal babies. He did no wrong. He did a medical service and got murdered by fanatics who prefer overpopulation and forced births to kids who will have bad lives just because they think life is an infinite orgasm. Pro-lifers need to get a clue. Life is hard and there is a VERY good reason why a lot of people today wish they were aborted. This man was a good and well-meaning man. His murder was a travesty.
vgman94 5 months ago
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surviveclubnz 5 months ago
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@vgman94 You are a very sick and deluded individual.
surviveclubnz 5 months ago
@Sibs1990 Go fuck off. I don't give ANYTHING a "bad name" by defending the rights of women, and if you cannot understand how a discussion board works, either pull the plug or have your children explain it to you. To think you got "butted in" on is just plain stupidity.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 It's not biased or "overly emotional" (a HILARIOUS argument coming from the side that lies CONSTANTLY in order to bring as much hysteria into the discussion as possible)
Again, you will NOT silence me, it's not "butting in", surely you understand how discussion boards work.
I've done NOTHING to give feminism a "bad name", and by the way, idiot, I'm also not a woman.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 I was brought up to respect women, what a pity you were not.
And you will find "just shut up" to be VERY Ineffective, I'll be cold and dead before the likes of you silences me.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 You may find facts boring, but they're still the facts, knowing the truth doesn't make one "stupid" nor does respecting the rights of women to control their own bodies and compreshensive health care.
And you can shove your insult to my parents right up your ass.
And one more thing, as I've told others--I will be COLD AND DEAD before assholes like you bully me into "just shut up" for one SECOND. I will NOT.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 Lack of regard for human life?? We're talking about the murder of a physician who SAVED LIVES, and you think I have "lack of regard for human life"?? What crap! This bullshit of blaming the woman, and thinking she should be "punished" for human sexuality is fascist trash. To tell ONLY women "you can have a job and a future if you're a puritan, have sex and you're NOTHING" is sexist and cruel and stupid and very indecent. DECISIONS??? Yes, people make their OWN DECISIONS, not you.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 Well, it's absolutely not "evil", and whether it's "selfish" or not for a young woman to not give up her education and any hope of ever having a decent job rather than waiting until she's better prepared to be a good parent is NOT your decision to make.
"Protection" is not 100%, ever, and it's funny that even when it's forgotten in the heat of the moment, the man is ignored and the woman punished severely for the rest of her life. You're disgusted by womens' rights and equality??
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 It's a gross LIE to say women are "selfish" for controlling their own bodies. NO, men can NOT force a woman who doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to do so, a woman is NOT the property of any man, married or not.
It most certainly is NOT murder.And if you think it's wrong, you have every right to NOT have an abortion, you do NOT have the right to deny this constitutional right to all women.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
george tiller and his murderer can both burn in hell for eternity.
nickhawkman 7 months ago
@nickhawkman The most vile of lies, outright blasphemy. There is no "hell", even the most despicable of sinners like the murderer who killed Dr. Tiller aren't forgiven by God's perfect grace, and it's an even WORSE lie to say Tiller belongs in "hell", he was a great hero who saved countless lives and provided health care to those most desperately needing it.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 hell may/may not exist, and he may have been a hero, and also may have saved countless lives, but he prevented countless lives as well...
nickhawkman 7 months ago
@nickhawkman It's not a sin to "prevent" lives. Birth control does the same thing. When the "life" being prevented is not wanted by the parents, all FORCING it into existence causes is misery for all concerned.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 idk in my opinion, its one thing to "prevent" life like birth control, but for life to already be "created" and put on the path for existence, then taken off the path... it just doesn't seem fair. if necessary, get an early abortion and be done. a late term abortion, the ones he does, just isn't the same. you're preventing the life of a fetus that may possibly be viable already. im not for abortion at all, but better early than late. just my opinion, you dont have to agree.
nickhawkman 7 months ago
@nickhawkman It's not different, calling a non-viable fetus a "baby" or "human life" is a matter of OPINION. Should you choose to look at it that way, that is you choice.
And it's not the least bit surprising how little you know about Tiller's work. The late term abortions he performed were on NON-VIABLE fetuses, at which point you have 3 choices--Intact D&X (misnamed "partial birth" by the far right) C-section or live birth, forcing either of those last two is very cruel & especially dangerous
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@prisonernumber9653 reading your statements i figured you were refering to yourself as a prisoner of whatever kind. (in this world maybe?)i did think you had the more plausible argumentation and you seem to be aware of a broader picture of the world. and who was prisoner number 9653 ?
looksi 8 months ago
@looksi Sorry for slow response, Eugene Debs was a great union leader, several times ran for President of the United States as a socialist. He was jailed for speaking in opposition to WWI (so much for freedom of speech!) and ran, again, for President from a jail cell in Atlanta. His campaign material said "Prisoner Number 9653 for President".
“While there is a lower class I am in it; while there is a criminal element I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free”
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@orangeblood307 and @prisonernumber9653 i´ve read most of your discussion here and i only have one thing to say: Even your youtube names say a lot about you: loving the selfirony of prisonernumber- and also the calling out you did on orangeblood. I´m not getting the meaning of orangeblood though- you sound like a down to earth guy but try thinking out of the box for once. might do you some good.
looksi 8 months ago
@looksi What "self-irony", exactly?
Do you know who prisoner#9653 was?
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@looksi Orangeblood just means i'm a Texas Longhorn fan haha yeah it's kind of confusing.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
I keep reading about women's choice, women's rights WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES RIGHTS?
fezbhoy19 8 months ago
@fezbhoy19 Yeah, what constitutes a baby? Is a fetus a baby? Or in the classic term is it human? It doesn't have nerve senses so is it a human, it doesn't have feelings so is it human? That's really what the whole argument is about when do you consider the thing growing inside a pregnant woman an actual baby or human. Is it right at conception when it is nothing but a few cells?
Xirbtt 8 months ago
@Xirbtt No, a fetus is NOT a baby. The whole argument is terribly complicated, and one a woman should be allowed to decide for HERSELF.
I honestly believe that were I a woman I'd probably not choose abortion except under truly extraordinary circumstances. But I'd want it to be MY choice.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah I know and I agree with you I was just responding to someone who was basically asking "Why don't nobody ever ask the fetuses about what they want!?" which is silly.
Xirbtt 8 months ago
Look at this piece of shit..... So glad that Scott Roeder ended this miserable piece of shits' worthless life.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
His murderer is the one rotting in prison. Hope Roeder's kids enjoy being fatherless. He did that by choice. Probably gets molested every week.
nissansentraglx 9 months ago
@nissansentraglx Bullshit, he isn't getting molested. He probably has a lot of respect in prison. Prisoners hate baby killers.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Tiller never killed any babies, and NOBODY should respect this scumbag who murdered a physician in a church in front of children for sick, radical political views.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 How did he not kill babies? He sucked their brains out, thats what an abortion is.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Liar, it is a FETUS, not a baby, and for all the hysterical bullshit about the procedure, that is ONLY done to save the life and health of the mother. You care more about fetuses than living women, cruel and sexist and unconstitutional.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Late-term abortions are fully developed babies, dumbass..... And do you really think that every abortion he did was to save the mom??? LOL. That's bullshit. He did thousands of late term abortions, their lives weren't all in danger. I already said if the mom was raped or if her life is in danger I don't have a problem with an abortion.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Still a lie. They are NOT babies. They are fetuses. They are NOT the same thing! It is AGAINST THE LAW for a late-term abortion except to save the life and health of the mother, YES it was done solely for that reason.
You AGAIN post this BULLSHIT that it's only OK for you to not force a woman into an unwanted pregnancy if her life is in danger, you forget ON PURPOSE her health, putting embryos ahead of women cruelly and, thank God, unconstitutionally.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I guess you don't know what a LATE-TERM abotion is... It's a full developed baby, fucking google it. There are a couple states that late-term abortion is legal no matter what the circumstances. And what kind of sicko wakes up 1 day and decides to kill babies for a living, that tells me everything I need to know about him. Fetuses are still alive, just because the mom's a lazy whore doesn't mean she should be able to murder her own fetus/baby.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 I know EXACTLY what it is. And it is NOT a "baby" it is a FETUS. It's not a baby until it's been BORN. There are NO states where it's legal regardless of circumstance, NONE.
To call a doctor giving care to women a "sicko" is sleazy trash. Calling women "lazy whores" shows the bigotry at the heart of this. it's not about concern for babies, it's about hating women and denying them equality. You don't get to call ANYONE a "sicko" with that kind of hate in you.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I love women, i'm not a faggot. But I know a lot of them are fucking sluts and are fully capable of taking care of a baby. So you think a fully-developed "fetus" is different from a baby? LOL they are the same thing, this convo is over. Do you really think he took the profession of sucking brains out to help women? I guess i'm the only one who can see right through him.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 So, you confirm your bigotry with a scumbag slur toward ANOTHER group. And, no, liar, you do NOT love women as you call them "lazy whores" and "sluts" and attack their rights. YES a fetus is different from a baby. They are NOT the same thing. A baby has been BORN, a fetus has NOT. He took the profession of PHYSICIAN, and provided health care to women who NOBODY else would help. George Tiller was a hero. HE cared about women, you do not.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 A fully developed fetus is a baby, idk how to get that through your head. He helped SOME women. Every abortion he did was not to save a womens life, some were just sluts who were too lazy to take care of their kid. I'm not calling every women a slut, just the women who are sluts.... and you would even know there are ALOT of sluts out there.... But you liberals can keep your abortions and we will keep our right to bear arms.... Convo over.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 No, it isn't. It's a FETUS. it's a baby AFTER IT HAS BEEN BORN. He helped EVERY woman who asked him. Your SCUMBAG BIGOT attacks on women show you do NOT care about them. AT ALL. And, AGAIN, you FLAMING IDIOT, it was ILLEGAL for late term abortions for ANY reason but life and health of the mother. You ARE calling women sluts, it's an insult to EVERY woman. Be asexual, or you're a slut.
Your "right to bear arms"? Are you in the National Guard? What a bullshit comparison.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm flattered you wrote me a book but you're still talking non sense. I didn't call every woman a slut, just the ones who fuck around, get pregnant, and then decide they want to kill their fetus/baby(whatever the fuck it is, it's still alive) just because they're too lazy raise a kid... I'm not talking about the women who actually need an abortion to save their own life. And I wasn't comparing the 2, I was just saying y'all can keep doing your abortions and ill keep my guns.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Liar. You said EVERY woman is a "slut" unless she's a virgin, a despicable, sexist lie. Calling people who are not ready, in their lives or economically to raise a child responsibly "lazy" is horseshit.
And AGAIN you say "save their life" you IGNORE the cases where the HEALTH of the mother is at stake, cruelly and stupidly...and intentionally.
And you ARE comparing the two, and they're NOT comparable. Guns kill people, women's rights save lives.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Guns don't kill people, people do.... Fucking idiot. You truly are not a very good listener, I said sluts.... not every girl who has had sex is a slut. Sluts are sluts, I shouldn't have to give you the definition of one. And the only reason I was comparing the 2 issues (guns and abortion) is because liberals try and take away gun rights and conservatives try and take away abortion rights... Abortion is 50x worse than a fucking gun LOL, you're a dumbass.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Wow, NRA bumper sticker slogans, and you call ME an idiot?? Guns DO kill people. It's their only purpose. Calling women "sluts" is a vicious hateful slur to women, and liberals do NOT take away gun rights, you MORON!!! you have no "right" to an automatic weapon. you have no "right" to cop-killer bullets. You have no "right" to keep a loaded handgun on the coffee table next to a 3 year old. This isn't about "rights", UNLIKE reproductive choice which IS about rights.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 LOL, you're truly an idiot if you think the only purpose for a gun is to kill.... You watch too many movies. I shoot everyday and don't kill a thing while i'm doing it, so how is that possible according to your "logic"?? Automatic weapons are already illegal, keeping a gun around a child is illegal.... so what's you're point?? If I wanted to kill the most people I would just go to wal mart and run over everyone I see, vehicles can kill more people than a fucking gun.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 I don't watch any movies, jackass, I know the policies and the statistics. Guns kill tens of thousands of people in this nation every year. The right fights like DEMONS to keep weapons that should be illegal on our streets. Keeping a gun around a child is NOT illegal, and EVERY time we try to make the laws tighter and keep our kids safer, radical groups like the NRA jump in and stop it. Vehicles have a PURPOSE, guns do not.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 LOL, and how many vehicular death were there?? A vehicle is the biggest weapon you can own. Plus, you're just a slave if you can't defend yourself from a tryanical government, that's the main purpose for the 2nd amendment. What about self-defence?? What about hunting?? What about defending your family from a home invasion like I had to do?? There are many reasons but when you liberals hear the word "gun" you pussies piss your pants.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 There are an almost equal number, in fact gun deaths are on the INCREASE with vehicle deaths dropping. The 2nd Amendment is about the NATIONAL GUARD, dumbass. You are NOT part of a "well-regulated militia", are you?? ARE YOU???
"Defending your family" what bullshit. A person with a gun in the home is FAR more likely to kill one of his own family members than to "defend his family". The childishness of calling public safety "being a pussy" is incredible. Take it to middle school.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
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orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Well, had I posted your pathetic pack of lies, I'd have removed it, too. Here's the basics--statistically it is FAR more likely that having a gun in your house will lead to the death of a family member than a "bad guy". You talk about the language of the 2nd, IGNORING the "well-regulated militia" part, which IS the National Guard. THAT IS THE WELL-REGULATED MILITIA!!! The constitution not only says they can be regulated but that they MUST.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Read it again, dumbass. There are 2 seperate parts of the 2nd amendment, LOL! Am I talking to a 12 year old??? The 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, AND the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." HAHA it's funny how liberals only like the constitution when they agree with it. But i'm done replying to you, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, go back to school.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Lie. They are NOT separate. It's the SAME AMENDMENT. The Supremes OVER AND OVER AGAIN confirmed the well-regulated militia means THE NATIONAL GUARD. Private citizens do NOT have the "right" to own any weapon with no regulation at all as radical groups like the NRA falsely claim. It's a LIE to say "we only like the constitution when we agree with it", you DON'T agree with it, you MAKE UP what it means to suit your sick desires. I know what I'm talking about, you do NOT.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
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@PrisonerNumber9653 You truly have 0% common sense. I have a fucking flashlight on my gun, how the hell would I shoot my own family members?? LOL, I really hope someone breaks in your house and rapes you, you would realize how easy it is to stop a maniac if you have a firearm. The 2nd amendment: "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The 2nd amendment is about more than just the national guard DUMBASS. Go back to history class, you're an idiot.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 no, only women who have sex and accidentally become pregnant...which can happen to ANYONE. It's a vile, sexist slur, and your "definition" includes an awful lot of people who do NOT deserve your ugly hateful insult.
NOBODY has had legitimate guns rights taken away. NOBODY. Reasonable common sense gun safety laws take NOTHING away from you, violate NOBODY'S rights. That is NOT true for the far right;s attempts to rob women of their reproductive rights. Guns are FAR worse.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 If someone hits you with a stick, you don't blame the stick, same thing with guns. Guns are everywhere in my city and we never have any issues, unless you go to the hood lol. I know you probably don't think i'm pro-choice but I AM, I just have STRONG opinions about certain people who abuse abortion... I'm not for government intervening into peoples' personal lives. But I'm tired of youtube so I will not be replying anymore. Good day to you.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Sticks don't lead to tens of thousands of deaths. Having guns in the house DRAMATICALLY increases the chances of accidental death, murder, and suicide. The claim they don't kill is a lie. If you have guns all over your city of COURSE you have issues. Serious ones. The despicable racism of saying there are no issues except in the "hood" is vomitous. So, white people can have guns but blacks can't? What an incredible lowlife you are.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol, you are so fucking clueless it's starting to get funny. I'm the low-life haha you live on youtube, now who's the lowlife. I would love to see some "statistics" or some proof of your brainless conclusions about guns. You seriously need to start using facts instead of saying idiotic shit that you think are facts. I'll tell you a fact: New York City and Chicago have the strictest gun laws but yet they have the highest crime rates. Hmmm. I wonder why.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 I am using facts, as opposed to your disgusting racism (which, I notice, you fail to address)
The murder rate in cities where poverty is exploding are high...and would be HIGHER were it not for common sense gun safety laws. It's been proven over and over again...not "thought", proven...that gun control saves lives.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You're the one that was being RACIST!! You assume only black people live in the hood!! I have plenty of black neighbors and I don't live in the hood. SO who's being racist again?? LOL fucking hypocrite. Gun control saves the lives of criminals not law-abiding citizens lives. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns in America, strict gun laws only restricts law-abiding citizens from aquiring firearms, not criminals!! How dumb are you?? Criminals love it when citizens are not armed.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Liar!! I am NOT a racist!!! YOU are the one talking about "the hood", obviously implying black people. Who is being racist? YOU ARE. Gun control saves lives, NOT of criminals you fucking idiot. The BULLSHIT of "criminals will always have guns" makes as much sense as saying "people will always commit rape, so we must make rape legal". Criminals get guns far EASIER because of assholes like you.
Citizens being armed ONLY means more death, it doesn't scare criminals or reduce crime.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol, you're racist, I didn't imply shit. All kinds of people live in the hood, you implied black people. So, if you were a criminal, wouldn't you feel safer robbing people when you know they have no way of defending themselves?? It does scare criminals when more citizens are armed, that's just fucking common sense. Just look at Chicago, they banned guns and crime soared. Atleast i'm stating facts, you're just giving me your misinformed opinions, you state NO FACTS!!
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 And that remains a vile and idiotic LIE. I am certainly NOT a racist, your racism is clear and the pathetic childish trash of racists going, "nuh uh, YOU'RE a racist!!" when it's pointed out is truly weak. People are NOT "defending themselves" by carrying guns, they're making themselves more likely to be killed, there is NO common sense in gun nuts, none. Crime is in Chicago because of POVERTY, not gun control, they have NOTHING to do with one another. Your lies are NOT "facts".
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol I was being sarcastic about you being racist, I was just pointing out that if anyone was being racist it's you.... I never implied black people, you just assumed it. I hate when people play the race card over stupid shit. Poverty does account for a lot of crime but crime soared after they banned guns in Chicago, that's not a coincedence. I'm done replying to you.... You make absolutely no sense. Bye bye.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 And that remains a vile lie, I've said nothing REMOTELY racist. You know GOD DAMN WELL that "the hood" implies black people, it WAS a racist things to say.
There is no such thing as a 'race card', it's a stupid bigoted term saying "racism doesn't REALLY exist, it's just this game blacks play"
Poverty is THE reason for crime, gun control DID NOT cause an increase in crime. It never has. Guns don't prevent crime, they just cause death. I make too much sense and that scares you.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Lol!! Actually you make no sense but it's real funny that you actually believe you do. My God, I feel sorry for whoever has to live with your stupidity. Anyone with any common sense knows there are many reasons to own a firearm if you are a LAW-ABIDNG citizen. Look at all the people in the middle east that can't defend themselves from their tyrannical governments. That is the main purpose of the 2nd amendment!! When will you stop replying to me?? This is getting old.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 it's not "stupidity", it's human decency. Anyone with common sense can look at the DATA and realize they are far more safe WITHOUT owning a firearm. Go onto the street with a gun, you are MORE LIKELY to die from that gun than you are to scare off a bad guy.
And don't you DARE talk about "tyrannical governments", off all the shit from gun nuts, this "I need a gun to murder cops and government officials if I don't like the laws" is worst.
The 2nd is about NATIONAL GUARD.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 LOL LOL you state no FACTS STILL...... I can tell you never held or even shot a firearm. They don't just shoot without someone cocking it and pulling the trigger you fucking idiot. The 2nd is about being able to defend yourself from tyrannical governments, just open a history book and you would know that. LOL I really wish people like you would just move to Canada or Europe if you're that much of an uninformed dumbass.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 So, you ARE Under this despicable delusion that the 2nd exists so you can murder cops and government officials if you don't like the laws they pass. That is TRULY vile and wrong, it is not in ANY history book at all.
I'm not uninformed, I'm a very long-time student of politics and of history and of the constitution.
WHY DO YOU IGNORE THE WORDS "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA"?? Do you know what "well-regulated" means? Do you think blowing away cops is "well-regulated"??
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You do know there are 2 separate parts to the 2nd amendment? LOL you are very delusional. Tyrannical governments does not mean murdering cops and government officials, are you really that dumb? Do you not remember the American Revolution? The government would have ALL of the control over the people if citizens are not armed. You're a slave if you are defenseless to your own government. Please move to Europe if you want the government to control everything and limit liberties.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Move to Europe if you want the government to control everything and limit liberties? You haven't paid attention very much to America the past decade have you? I don't blame you though because paying attention sucks.
Xirbtt 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 And you want to IGNORE the part that says WHY it exists, what the law REFERS to, just throw it in the trash. YES, saying "I want guns to fight tyrannical government" means killing cops and government officials, it's saying you need guns to keep our government from doing what you don't like. That's NOT what it's about, it's about OTHER governments, requiring our defense through a WELL-REGULATED MILITIA.
Shove "move to Europe" up your ass, I'm not going anywhere.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 And you want to ignore the fact that it says: "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Which is a separate issue than what you implied. There are 2 SEPARATE parts. Have you not read what Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin have said about the main purpose of the 2nd amendment is? Just do some research. The government works for the people, not the other way around. But, i'm 100% sure you're too mentally unstable to keep replying to you.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 No, I'm NOT ignoring that. It is part of a WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, and I'm not denying that MILITIA, the US National Guard, their right to bear arms. Nor, the right of sportsmen to have weapons, or even those foolish enough to want them in their home for "protection"...WITH SOME REASONABLE SAFETY REGULATION. The problem is the NRA nuts want NO regulation, claiming preposterously that the 2nd means they can have cop killer bullets.
And spare me "do some research", I have.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Yes, the government works for the people, that does NOT mean you get to shoot them if you don't like what they say or do. Who gets to define "tyranny"? There are phony "militia" types out there claiming taxation is, that public education is, to they get to blow away the school board chairwoman?
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not saying we shouldn't have SOME regulations but we don't need anymore regulations than we already have. It's fucking obvious when you have a tyrannical government, just look at Libya, Yemen and the middle east, we are having to arm the people because previously they weren't allowed to have weapons to defend themselves. I'm not talking about killing ANYONE, i'm talking about being able to defend yourself if shit ever went seriously wrong in this country. ITS COMMON SENSE
orangeblood307 8 months ago
Guess everyone thinks he enjoyed this job. Probably the toughest thing to have to go through in the medical profession. These women's lives were on the line as well. Tiller was a man of god, and to be murdered in your own church. I hope Roeder is enjoying prison and those lovely showers.
nissansentraglx 9 months ago
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He's was certainly no man of God, his god was satan. Hitler had nothing on that monster, I am certainly glad he is in hell and cannot harm another infant.
1776iscoming 9 months ago
@1776iscoming Blasphemous lies.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
George Tiller assured [Luhra Tivis] that he only performed late-term abortions on “severely deformed” children or for a medical crisis...
“I was seeing 8- and 9-month pregnant women come in, and out of those 2 dozen a week, only about 2% had medical deformities. I thought I was pro-choice back then, but week after week I kept seeing these women coming in with healthy babies and I saw all the records. I didn’t think that was right.”
CHOOSE LIFE!
prolifepinay 10 months ago
I'm so glad this sick freak cannot harm another child, hope the money was worth an eternity in torment.
1776iscoming 10 months ago
man fuck you, you was asking for it
pittbullbill 11 months ago
I would also like to have all the prodeath folks hold an aborted baby in your hands!! I had that awful opportunity in science class, i was one of the lost when i was young and stupid,till that day when the teacher was passing him around like an object. a little baby HUMAN baby in Formaldehyde, that moment that instant I was totally changed and from that moment on I am Prolife thank God that I saw the light. I hope the rest of this one grand country does as well.
mikewarmblood 11 months ago
Please remember it is a child in the womb. The child is just the same in the womb as when coming home from the hospital after birth. Would we kill a child 5 days after their birth if the circumstances are difficult? No. That is why abortion is murder because it is just the same. This guy Dr. Tiller misguided women and killed children.
Gowalum 11 months ago
Crazy how a person can yank a living human thing with a hanger
Masteruny 11 months ago
crazy how this guy got killed. what is this world coming to?
ShookOnesTO 11 months ago
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KUHNER: The fetal solution- The Washington Times
Exposing what takes place in facilities run by the likes of Dr. Gosnell would shock voters into taking decisive action to make abortion illegal. This is why the killing of innocent unborn children is done largely away from public view. It is a creeping, hidden genocide that can continue only if the fiction of abortion being a "medical procedure" is maintained.
teton99 1 year ago
doctor?human butcher and mohel rather
motorniczy7777 1 year ago
@motorniczy7777 despicable lie. He was an outstanding doctor, providing vital health care to women NOBODY else had the courage to help. He was a great hero...not a "Nazi", not a "butcher". A hero.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 A hero for providing late term abortions?? Sucking a babys brain through their skulls are what heros do?? You're a fucking sick sub-human being.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 It isn't a baby, and YES preserving the life and health of women by providing health care NO other physician had the courage to perform absolutely IS heroic. There's nothing "sick" about saving women's lives, and that is what Tiller did. These were NON-VIABLE fetuses, they were going to die anyway. These abortions HAD to be performed, by stupidly banning intact D&X, anti-choice radicals required women to undergo c-sections for no reason at all, often at great risk.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Late term abortions is killing a fully developed baby. He did all kinds of abortions not just the ones that benefited the mother. He's just trying to justify what he really does.
orangeblood307 8 months ago
@orangeblood307 Lie. It is NOT a baby, and AGAIN these are NON-VIABLE fetuses. EVERY procedure he did benefitted the mother, who CHOSE not to be pregnant for her own reasons. And, AGAIN in EVERY case a late-term abortion is ONLY legal to save the life and health of the mother.
What he did was health care, it doesn't NEED "justification", it's justified in the constitution of the United States. And the sick lies you're spewing led to his murder.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
Thanks mom for not going to this guy when I was just an "unwanted fetus." Really appreciate it.
BTW, I do not sanction this man's murder in anyway. I hope he is in heaven, though I hope he has some remorse for doing something which I believe is extremely immoral, at least I understand better why he did it. God forgive us all.
chukmaty 1 year ago
i feel sorry for this dude
cpronaldo9 1 year ago
2:33 I hope more people watch this video. This is the voice of pragmatism and utilitarianism. This is how a person starts to talk when they forsake rational thought. You turn humans into objects and then cast them into a bad play where the dialogue is not grounded in reality. If abortion is about "hopes and dreams" then why are there human hands and feet and crushed in skulls in dumpsters? The abortion industry is truly made up of people who ignore reality.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@CatholicAmerican
I agree with you, amazing how generally kind and good people rationalize things which are really nasty. The fetus/unborn baby, especially in such a late term, definitely feel pain and definitely have value as a human life.
chukmaty 1 year ago
@chukmaty But, half those fetuses are female, and in being anti-choice you already show that females have no value as humans. They only exist to serve men as baby factories.
In these late term abortions, they are NOT for ANY reason but the health of the mother--which obviously means nothing at all to you.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago 2
it should be a womens right to do whatever she wants with her body. Abortion is never an easy decision.
Dpesh7 1 year ago 5
saying abortion is murder is a primitive thought process. Look long term. When a woman has been raped, how is it immoral to have an abortion. It is her body and she was violated and had no choice in the matter. Having a child that will either have serious congenital disorders and live through inexorable pain is also not wanted. Morality is very complex and simplifying it into abortion= murder inspires vigilante zealots to kill people like Dr Tiller.
Dpesh7 1 year ago 11
@Dpesh7 You think if someone is concieved by rape, they should die for something someone else did? Same thing with people that have disabilities? You think they should die too for THE WAY THEY WERE CREATED??? If that is your version of morality, then go back to 1940's Germany. You and your pro-"choice" buddies would fit in real good there.
Troll4MoarLulz 1 year ago
It was a little wrong to kill the guy in cold blood. It was almost unforgivable to kill innocent babies.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
People say you can't justify abortion with murder. You can't, but not for the same reason these idiots think. The reason why these people kill abortion doctors is not because they just hate them, they think that it's better to trade one life (the doctor) in order to save possibly many more (the babies). Think before you say something you believe is "clever" like murdering an abortion doctor doesn't make sense. It's admittedly wrong, but as for the reason people do it, it does make sense.
maximrules 1 year ago
Dr Tiller was, like many people who are brainwashed by the abortion industry. Abortion does not save lives.
What is worse, abortion or murder?
NOTHING! Abortion and murder are the same thing.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mrabuckten says: he died because he killed children
~~~~~~~~~~~ Why are the others all still alive? (smile)
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@mrabuckten says: did you forget that/ i would love to shoot him
~~~~~~~~~ I doubt any of us dont know that a prolifer would happily murder.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
You certainly are filled with hatred, aren't you? Is that what you learned from Jesus? It would seem to me that you are devoid of any and all human compassion and therefore it is pointless to even try to communicate with you. Peace be with you if that is ever possible for someone of your ilk. Do not bother trying to respond because any response from you or any who think like you will be ignored.
kjboy27 1 year ago
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@mrabuckten wrote "i would love to shoot him ...even today"
Seriously, dude... you need help. YOWZA!
kcsorci 1 year ago
@mrabuckten Dr. Tiller died because he was murdered by a depraved person. Someone with whom it seems you may well relate. It seems that perhaps your heart is filled with hatred for all who disagree with you so it is pointless to carry on with any "discussion".
kjboy27 1 year ago 5
@kjboy27 Tiller the Serial Killer got what he deserved and the man who sent him to the lowest level of hell should have a postage stamp made for him. Scott Roeder is a true hero who has saved the lives of thousands, maybe millions of innocent children. If I lived within 50 miles of his grave, I would take a big huge dump on it. Too bad he wasn't burned with hot iron, beaten with metal baseball bats, castrated, stretched on a rack, and sodomized with a toilet brush before he was sent to hell.
Troll4MoarLulz 1 year ago
@Troll4MoarLulz says: Too bad he wasn't burned with hot iron, beaten with metal baseball bats, castrated, stretched on a rack, a
~~~~~~~ I always enjoy the intellectual comments of prolifers. It says it all.........
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 I bet I had higher SAT scores than you did. i bet you weren't valedictorian, with a 99.8 GPA, captain of the football team, broke the school record for sacks, recieved both full academic and athletic scholarships. I took an AP Calculus course as a sophomore and I have memorized every significant historical document of the last 1000 years. I play 5 instruments as well. So there you go with making fun of my intellect.
Troll4MoarLulz 1 year ago