The Spirit did not create the world...Jesus did (Romans 1). I'm not saying that Washer is teaching heresy, but ought to clarify himself on this point.
The rest of it is right on! I like his definition of repentance..."giving up to God". The classic definition is "change your mind", but I see no conflict between the two positions.
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from your sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
All of these false converts on here...having been brought up in a seeker sensitive church, its so hard for them once they hear the true gospel! Thank you Paul Washer
Fastest way to know you are saved is you feel Jesus in your heart,then you feel the Holy ghost.Then live in Obedience with the image of Jesus Christ.Everyday pray always.Put Jesus Christ first in your life.You will fill the Holy ghost persecute you in wrong you may have done.He will always work on you.
@kbarl1 The scriptures does NOT mention that in order to know that you are saved you WILL feel it. Of course, we WILL feel God's presence, but it's not a valid thing to base your salvation on. Even the saved man will have times in his life when he won't feel or see the reality of God's existance and glory. It all goes down to your faith in his promises that he will NEVER leave you and what he has done. Faith, my friend!
atleast paul and his wife know for sure they are going to heaven...some of us ,who dont have it all together,have to rely on the perfect works of christ on the cross,His gift of righteousness and abundance of grace,,oh and His perfect Obedience and the fact that we are in Him for assurance..."Poor" us!
@MrUrosSrb The Lord knows wether you are saved or not. It is his will that you should know that you are saved. You will have assurance if you belong to him. Don't doubt continue to listen to Paul Washer's surmons.
Why is there Mormon commercials right before the video? I've seen other worldly commercials before Lane's videos too? Why? I can't share these videos with others with such garbage before the video starts. Help!!!!
And he was messenger sent to the House of Israel, saying: I have come to you with clear proves from Ellah your Guardian Lord, making for you out of clay a pidgeon that flies away by Almighty God's permission. I tell you what you conceal in your bellies and houses. I make for you easy what was difficult for you before, will you not believe? Obey me, this is the straight path -Quran.
honestly this is garbage.. because of people who preach messages like these cults are formed.. all you have to do is repent and believe God will do the rest.. in this message paul preaches works salvation all you need is faith
hes a c grade actor with a decent voice and a born n' bred appetite for manipulating humans even down to the badly tailored suits...forgive them father theu know not what they do
The great problem is that pride, self-righteousness and hypocrisy hide in the difference between our desire to "Serve Christ with all your heart!" and the truth that we fail to do this every single day. This is what Paul has not yet learned to effectively deal with in his preaching, leaving some feeling "I'm with THE group" and others feeling Paul's preaching a gospel of works. Paul has some good things to offer but he's not always led by the Lord in his messages.
@husbandoftalithakoum "This is the negative side of Washer's message that he doesn't understand."
Some would argue that he does understand it because of what's mentioned at the very end of this video. That's true. What I meant is that he doesn't understand how people use his messages to pretend they're something that they're not while condemning others for not being what they should be. Paul preaches "selling out" but Paul admits the many times he doesn't live up to his message.
@husbandoftalithakoum That's extremely harsh. The grace of God is bigger than that. If I were to hear that condemnation, it would put me in depression. Yet, the Word says, "The joy of the Lord is our strength."
God desires truth in the inner man (Ps51:6) and facing our daily failures is part of humility. Those who think like your comment struggle with defeat and depression and are unsure of the love of God.
This is the negative side of Washer's message that he doesn't understand.
@BludBaut The truth is that our failures are used by God, if we respond in faith towards Him, to build in us love and compassion for other sinners instead of hypocritically condemning them for "not being as spiritual as we are." We don't say that where we can hear it, but we must recognize when it's our evil heart attitude.
The fact that God so strongly emphasizes loving others bears witness to what I'm saying.
I know alot of people who have taken that stroll down the church isle, and repeated the preachers words- the prayer of salvation- and they are as dead today as they have ever been, because they didn't truly mean it, or because they never truly repented of their sins. I have seen it many times. I can see how what Washer is saying here could be the will of God for this particular woman. Perhaps God wanted this woman to think about her need for Christ, so she could truly see how lost she had been.
@Jorm83 But if they show no evidence (Fruits) then what does that lead us to believe? That's not me, that's the Bible. We know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:17-19. And those who show no fruits, haven't recieved salvation. Because God is the author of salvation, so we become conformed (Rom. 12:1-2). If we still live in blatant sin we refute Gal. 2:20, and Romans 6:6. We dont contend for the Faith, and turn from the grace of God (Jude 3-4). Also, we dont show Phil. 1:6, God completing work. GB!
@ItsNowWarfare Sorry. You are completely misinterpreting the text. You will know the false prophets by their fruits (their teaching, their doctrine). It has nothing to do with lifestyle. Rom 12:1,2 is a command to people who are already believers. It is possible for believers to live exactly the same as they were before they got everlasting life. That is what the doctrine of justification by faith alone is all about. Faith alone is all that is needed, no works are needed.
@ItsNowWarfare Phil 1:6 has nothing at all to do with the lifestyle of believers. Look at the context. It is talking about the fellowship (i.e. money) that they gave Paul. God would continue to work in the lives of believers to provide financially for Paul and other missionaries until Christ returns. Those who persevere to the end in giving money to the ministry will be rewarded at the Bema, with advanced status as they rule and reign with Christ in His Millennial reign on earth.
@dreiher2 So does God not keep us till the end? Though you've tried context, you've left out the key words. He will finish the good work He started in you. Salvation. Fellowship is something that believers partake in according to 1 John. We are to walk in fellowship as an evidence. Though I agree, Paul was grateful for offering haha! Though I also agree, those who give will be blessed, that's right on with scripture. But preserverence of giving money has nothing to do with salvation.
@dreiher2 And regardless, if I am wrong on the Phil 1:6 interpretation, it's not the only backing. We see several instances in scripture about God continuing in us, and calling us to Him. Ecc 3:14, John 3:18, John 5:24, John 6:37, John 6:39-40, John 10:27-29, John 17:9-24, Rom 4:5-6, Rom 8:29-30, Rom 8:33, Rom 8:35, 37-39, Rom 11:29,1 Cor 12:13, 2 Cor 5:17, 21, Eph 1:4-5, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 2:5-6, Phil 1:6, Phil 4:3, 2 Tim 1:12, 2 Tim 4:18, Heb 10:14, Heb 12:2, 1 Pet 1:5, 1 John 2:9, Jude 23-25.
@ItsNowWarfare There is nothing in any of those passages that all believers will persevere in faith and good works until the end of life. In fact, I would say 99% of believers live exactly like unbelievers because of Reformed Theology which denies future rewards based upon obedience. I would love you to come by my blog to discuss the non-reformed interpretation of all these passages in context. None of them teach the inevitability of progressive sanctification! Look at the contexts.
@ItsNowWarfare I think it is interesting that nobody took me up on showing where he believes in Jesus as the granter and guarantor of his everlasting life, with 100% certainty, no matter how he lives. There is not a single verse in the Bible that says what you are claiming. I looked at a few of these. It takes me about 2 seconds to show where you are wrong on every one. Do you really want me to do that? My point has never been disproven. Paul Washer is probably not saved.
@dreiher2 Im Sorry To Jump into This. But You Say You're Saved. Correct? Christians Shouldn't Judge One Anothers Salvation With God. Their Relationship Is Not You're Relationship. Plus It Says In The Bible That not To Judge. And When The Bible Says One Thing And People Who Say They're Christians Act The Other Way. It Contradicts, And trashy The Image Of Jesus. " I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I've Had Someone Say This To Me...
@AwesomePeople313 I get what you're saying and agree. The problem is that our examinations of ourselves and others have become judging and non-loving. We are in-fact supposed to test each other in line with scripture but the act and the outcome is with full love and faith and to come into closer relationship with God. Judge and test in line of one's faith has become distorted. You can test your faith (and others) without judging but the result must glorify God. In Peace.
@dreiher2 I'm not really trying to dispute, but I'm just throwing things out here. I love to hear what my brothers say. It's the iron sharpening iron deal. Thanks brother, And look forward to your next comment. I dont want you to think I'm coming of mean or arrogantly. Or that I'm trying to prove everyone wrong, I'm still in the midst of studying and I know I'm not right on everything. Thanks for bearing with me though. God bless!
@Jorm83 Let us not forget Matthew 7:21-23 either. By your jurisdiction, though these men had apparent issues of works based salvation, they had 'called on the name'. They believed themselves saved. But they weren't. This is what we call a false profession. Many say Lord, Lord... But He will turn most away. Matthew 7:13-14. Narrow gate, narrow path. Our profession is worth nothing without the Gift of repentance. The streets of Heaven won't be as populated as we want them to be. God Bless!
All debt must be repaid even the debt you have to God for sin. The blood of Christ has paid that debt in full and purchased for you eternal life.
You will not go to hell because you were not able to pay your debt for sin, but because you rejected Christ’s payment for it. Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and his payment for your sin. It is your only hope!
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. ” (2 Cor 5:21)
“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” – 2 Cor 5:19
agree but when you are saved you must live like you are saved. Paul Washer is talking to the majority of "Christians" who believed to be saved by simply by just reading those scriptures you just posted and than go out living like any other regular sinful person. We are changed once we experience the Love of God and through that Love we continue to change.
Washer is the master of emotion and straw man arguments to teach a damnable heresy. There are many preachers (such as the late Zane Hodges) who teach a clear message of faith alone in Christ alone apart from works and that we are not saved by a prayer or a decision. Faith is a persuasion, and 100% assurance is part of it. (Washer must not have read 1 John 5:13). I have never heard him preach salvation from John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, 11:25-27 or 20:31. Apart from the truth there, nobody is saved.
@dreiher2 "I have never heard him preach salvation from John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, 11:25-27 or 20:31. Apart from the truth there, nobody is saved." Before you pass judgment, in God's seat, on Paul Washer, a son of God and brother in Christ - perhaps you need to listen to him preach on Ezekiel 36; the "New birth" as presented in the OT. Remember, as i myself must also, we will give an account for every careless word we speak. The Gospel is a command ; salvation is a gift manifested by our lives.
@7801Croc Do you know 100% for certain that Paul Washer has everlasting life? He clearly states that unless a person has works then they are on their way to hell. He teaches that faith that works, (really the same thing as a faith PLUS works) message. This message cannot save. I know 100% sure I have everlasting life because I believed in Jesus as the granter and guarantor of my everlasting life. (John 3:16,17). I have never heard Paul Washer state this. so I don't think he is saved.
@dreiher2 Quote: "he clearly states that unless a person has works" I have listened to him enough to know he doesn't preach a works-based salvation. Salvation is so difficult only God can achieve it - Paul Washer
You problem is that you have what Paul warned about - easy belieivism and as Solomon said "nothing new under the sun". If Jesus were here He would tell you to repent and believe the gospel; I guess by that standard Jesus is telling you to "work" He also said " CONTINUED ABOVE
Jesus gave to commands to "Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself - in your world this must seem like a works-based salvation. You have been desensitized by the emergent church culture and are in dangerous territory in my opinion - each will answer to his own Master. I suggest, as I do to everyone, to read your Bible more systematically and everyday.
@7801Croc - There is a big difference between faith that works (really faith plus works) for justification salvation, and faith that works (faith plus works) for sanctification salvation and future rewards. MacArthur, Washer, and just about every Reformed/Lordship theologian I have read/heard confuses justification truth with sanctification truth. This is the Roman Catholic error, that is, confusing justification and sanctification. Come listen to videos on my channel which explain this.
@dreiher2 QUOTE: "There is a big difference between faith that works"
Apparently you don't either listen to them and/or just plain get it. they both teach that faith comes by hearing the word and the justification is the result of believing in Jesus Christ and the work HE DID and the RESULT on a transformed life in Christ is works, which GOD PREPARED beforehand that the man of God would walk in them. That is not justification by works and is not what either men teach-you lack discernment!!
@7801Croc I listen to them all the time, and have done a lot of writing about them and others such as Caneday & Schreiner. Both Washer and Piper clearly misinterpret 2 Cor 13 as teaching us to doubt whether we have everlasting life. The examination has nothing to do with that. It is talking about the Bema seat of Christ, where a believer will either be rewarded or punished in the kingdom. Reformed Theology confuses justification & sanctification. Have you viewed any of my videos on dreiher2?
If this is true, then why do you rail against them? They R godly messengers & so it is God you are railing against when you rail against his true messengers. Your problem is a need for repentance. They do not confuse justification; it is a forensic term and they clarify this that when one truly repents, a turning away from sin & toward God & believe the gospel; they are at that point JUSTIFIED by His Grace, I have heard them declare it a 100 times!!
@7801Croc Almost every time I look in book in the Christian book store, or listen to a Christian radio station, I hear Reformed/Perseverance teaching. They have taken over evangelicalism. How else can I be sure they are wrong, unless I listen to what these people are saying? How many of my Free Grace videos have you listened to? Have you read Hodges book, "Absolutely Free?" Do you even have an interest in what God says in the Bible about HIS saving message? John 3:16 says faith alone saves.
@dreiher2 QUOTE:"Almost every time I look in book in the Christian book store, or listen to a Christian radio.., I hear Reformed/Perseverance teaching" - i wish that book store was here..LOL Now I know where you are coming from; you keep following the likes of Zane Hodges who deny what Jesus said "REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL" the exact thing he writes against in his book and calls it Lordship salvation. If Jesus is not Lord over your life, then you will hear "depart from Me"-U love your sin!
@dreiher2 QUOTE:"2 Cor 13 as teaching us to doubt whether we have everlasting life" You either are misunderstand their teaching or are unsaved because you want the Savior w/out the Lord. Those are the one's who will say "Lord, Lord" & he will say depart from Me..." To examine oneself should be a routine; what do you believe the Lord's Supper teaches? They are pointing out what the Apostle John points out; the tests of real faith verses dead faith; "you will know them by their fruits" - JESUS
This has been weighing on my mind, and I keep thinking the same thing, the Word of God does not say:
"He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They replied, "Go home and cry out all night long until you you are sure that you are saved."
eating meat is not a sin, brutalizing an animal for your own enjoyment in creating pain is sin. Sex is not sin, but using it, outside of marriage, is counter productive-excuse the pun-in our spiritual lives for those who believe. For those who don't believe, don't worry about the sex or the killing of animals-you are guilty of a more serious sin-unbelief. Crazy-sounding but true to the bible.
eating meat is not a sin, brutalizing an animal for your own enjoyment in creating pain is sin. Sex is not sin, but using it, outside of marriage, is counter productive-excuse the pun-in our spiritual lives for those who believe. For those who don't believe don't worry about the sex or the killing of animals-you are guilty of a more serious sin.
SINS stealing everything is made of this earth so no one owns it so stealing not a sin.sex we wouldn't be here if not for it not a sin.killing we kill animals to eat we are animals not a sin.i could do them all but not going to.WE ARE KILLING THE EARTH THAT MEANS WE ARE KILLING OURSELVES.what does a group of animals(us)do when killing the weak@obtuse to keep group from becoming extinct, 100 billion people in less than 500years think im wrong after ww3 say that your religious.see what happens
So..are you saying it is for the slaves own good that someone owns him? Because he might starve on his own? That is laughable. ANY slave would rather take his chance on his own than to be owned by another human. You are trying to make a case for slavery ( which is pretty disgusting) but the more you write, the bigger the hole you dig for yourself. And yes, I realize in the "old days" slavery was widespread. But guess what? It was immoral then too. Slavery is outlawed now...
@AbysmalCry I feel like I'm talking to a child, but I'll try it one more time. Slavery is bad. Slavery is ALWAYS bad, no matter what time or culture you're talking about. If you think slavery is a good thing, then you are immoral. Also, if you think I'm wrong, try to find someone else on this planet who agrees with you. Good luck in your hunt.
@000SMITH000 Regarding 'immorality' of Christ being punished for our sins. Not all Christians believe in penal substitution, some consider it protestant invention. There have been various theological explanations of atonement. For instance, you could check out what Church fathers like Athanasius taught on the subject.
@AngleofLight1 My knee won't be bending, sorry. And I'll be laughing my ass off at all you praying fools. Besides....I think you're just pissed because Jesus didn't come this past Saturday like you thought he would. Oh well....another brain dead preacher gets it wrong again. LOL LOL
Slavery is not evil, abusing is. You have no morals, you're a wretched sinner, and until you realize that, you will do no have any morals. Don't count what you do as an achievement, for there is none righteous. You do not know right from wrong, what you saying you are not blind makes you blind.
@AbysmalCry Did you just write that "slavery is not evil?" Are you serious? Because if you really meant what you wrote, then we are done. Your mind is warped beyond repair and I can't waste any more time with you. Good luck, pal.
@000SMITH000 Now tell me, how is it evil? George Washington had slaves, yet he did not abuse them of any sort and he treated his slaves like a friend. You cannot even justify your answer. Answer me that pal. Your arrogance blinds and holds you together. Men have hated the truth from the beginning, and it only makes me laugh when you are hit with calamity. Come back later, so I can tear you apart again (:
@AbysmalCry First of all, how "friendly" you are to your slave has got nothing to do with the issue. It is immoral to enslave people ..no matter how you treat them. Slavery is the ownership of human beings.. slavery means tearing apart children from their parents and selling them to other slave holders. Slaves work for no wages or far less wages than "free" workers. Tell me something, genius.... if slavery is so wonderful why is it illegal in every civilized country on the planet ?
@000SMITH000 And do you know what would happen to a slave if they never were bought? They would die from starvation. If a man were to set a slave free, men would kidnap them and enslave them still. Why is it illegal in every civilized country on the planet? One, in the old days, the culture had slaves. Now, the culture has changed, because slave owners have abused their slaves and distorted humanity. Did the buyers tear apart families? No, the kidnappers did. And the only real solution is to not
@AbysmalCry ..and that is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing ( as you suggest). On your part about buyers tearing families apart, you are simply wrong. Slave owners ROUTINELY sold off children of slaves. Then you say that if a slave ran away ( during Caesars rein) he would be killed. Are you saying someone should be happy to be a slave because it's safer than being free? If that's your position, you are an idiot. ANYONE would trade the "safety" of slavery for the "risk' of freedom ANY DAY.
@000SMITH000 buy, but the only way it would actually produce productive results is that if everyone boycotted the slave capturers. If a slave were to run away and be free in times of Caesar, they would probably be killed. If society and culture rebelled against the government, there would be too much bloodshed because there is not enough support.
But...if you'd like me to start rattling off Bible verses that show God's immoral nature, I can sure do that too. The Bible is chock full of God's horrendous acts and his immoral teachings to us all. It's a good thing no one holds him up as some sort of moral guide...OOOPS.....I forgot...some people actually do.
@000SMITH000 Some of the heinous acts you find in the Bible, you may not find just because the human view of evil is not the same as God. The doom of countries and nations were because they were utterly sinful and did not repent for many years. God even punished Jerusalem for abandoning his commandments. Just something to look out for.
@AbysmalCry Please don't try to make excuses for your horrendous god. He condones slavery, stoning homosexuals and killing disobedient children ( to name just a few). When he wiped out the entire planet (except for Noah and his gang) he killed thousands of innocent children and pregnant women as well. I wonder what horrible crime those unborn fetuses committed? Your god is an evil, sickening tyrant.
@000SMITH000 No because your view of just IS not just. There is no such thing as an innocent woman or child. We all have fallen short of the glory of God. When you tell a two year old, "Don't touch that toy in the corner, because you might choke on it!" and the 2 year old just goes and touches the toy. The nature of sin is to break every law there is. You have never read the Bible have you? For Christ had mercy on those who are unable to hear the word of truth.
@AbysmalCry IU..for the actions of their ancestors. It's insane. Your point about the 2 year old was laughable. The 2 year ignores your warning because he is a child and doesn't know right from wrong yet...not because he is some horrible sinner. And anyway, if you believe in the Bible, you should stone that child to death for not obeying you (Deuteronomy 21:18-21). I know that sounds horrendous, but it's right there in your Bible. It's the word of God, so it must be true...right? Wrong.
@000SMITH000 Have you ever even read the flood of Noah? Men have lived wickedly time after time and never repented from their works. Every intention was heinous in the thought of man, and you know what God could have did? He could have wiped every human off of earth. Yet He had mercy on humanity that if they did not go on the Ark, they surely would have died. The Ark today is now Christ where he bore my sins on the cross. Slavery isn't horrible, abusing slaves is. Killing without just is evil.
@AbysmalCry I suppose if someone is completely brain dead, they might think it's just fine when God orders the slaughter of this tribe or the slaughter of that nation. And a complete moron might think slavery is just fine because God says it is. Guess what? It isn't. Slavery is evil and immoral. Killing whole tribes of people is evil and immoral. I don't need some make believe god to tell me it's OK when I know better. I have morals and I know right from wrong. The god of the Bible does not.
I was a Christian for 28 years. I have read the Bible, page to page, many times. I am WELL aware of scripture and the nonsense throughout the Bible. Now that we cleared that up, let me address your points. Just because "God says so" or "the Bible says so" doesn't make it right or moral. Can you grasp that simple point? Now...the fact that we are all cursed ( born into sin) because of the actions of Adam and Eve is immoral in the first place. No one should be held accountable...
I don't know where you stand with God and I don't care ( I don't recall making any claim about it). Yes, I realize Christ took our "sin debt" upon him. That's my whole point. He did nothing to deserve this treatment and, if we accept his death as payment for what we did, we are immoral also. As for morality, I derive mine from the same place you do ( hint: it ain't god). I don't need a bible verse to show me that god's actions are immoral, I think for myself ( remember, YOU are the believer)
We will all know when we die. No man lives forever. Please don't wait till death to believe in Jesus, because it will be too late when in hell. If there are Jews here, please, explain why you think there is no hell.
@chrisl3698 Anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is immoral. The Bible says we are all guilty of sin and deserve to die in hell. But if we accept the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, we are forgiven. Sorry, but that is simply evil. No one should EVER be punished for the wrong doings of another. And anyone who accepts the death of Christ for their own sins is immoral. Well, I won't allow an innocent person to pay for my "sins." I guess only people with no conscience can get into heaven.
Anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is immoral. The Bible says we are all guilty of sin and deserve to die in hell. But if we accept the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, we are forgiven. Sorry, but that is simply evil. No one( God or human) should EVER be punished for the wrong doings of another. And anyone who accepts the death of Christ for their own sins is immoral. Well, I won't allow an innocent person to pay for my "sins." I guess only people with no conscience can get into heaven.
@dancTDC Jesus doesn't exists, so I can't love him ( neither can you). But it is not "love" to allow an innocent man to die for your crimes...it is just plain sick. If you let an innocent man pay for your crimes, you are immoral. Plain and simple.
@000SMITH000 the problem with that is, you dont believe in Jesus. call us crazy, call us obsessed. I believe in what i believe, you do your own. Now nothing can change that, can it :3 But Jesus is always there, whether you want to believe or not. Around you, and inside of you. Praying for you. Jesus Loves you.
BTW, although he died as an innocent man, he rose again, cuz nothing can hold him back in this world. God is clever, isn't he?
@dancTDC No, god is not clever...he is sick. He says we MUST ignore our own conscience and accept the torture of an innocent man in our place. And if we don't, he sends us to hell. That is one twisted plan. God sacrificed himself to himself to prevent himself from carrying out his own plan of damnation. LOL...what part of that makes any sense? BTW..I know christ rose 3 days after being crucified. So, what EXACTLY DID HE LOSE? What was the big sacrifice? He gets to live in heaven forever.
@000SMITH000 He lost you if you don't turn from what you think to what He does. You're probably one the very people that say, "Don't judge a book by its cover", but judge the bible by its cover without any real knowledge of what's in it.e. All little knowledge of the bible is like a plug with one prong. You can plug in but you get no power. Get the whole story before you make a judgement or you're being a hypocrite. And if you're true to truth, you won't start pointing your finger at others.
@aaroneaus I was a Christian for 28 years. I attended church twice a week and bible study every Thursday night. I have read the bible, cover to cover, MANY times. I'm am very aware of it's contents, so I am well equipped to pass judgment on it's ridiculous messages. God's plan of salvation is immoral. You MUST accept the death of an innocent man for YOUR crimes in order to escape hell. I'm sorry, but I have a conscience and I won't do it. I don't know why Christians can't see this.
@dancTDC No one can understand god. But I know right from wrong. And it is wrong to punish an innocent man for the crimes of a guilty man. By the way....do you claim to understand god?
@000SMITH000 Nah, i basically was talking about all of us when i said we all agree on that, you know? and BTW who gave you the consience to know right from wrong? And if you dont agree fine. But just read the bible, especially Romans, and John 3:16, and you'll understand a glimpse of his ultimate glory and plan. god bless :3
@dancTDC I have read the bible, cover to cover, many times. No one "gave" me my conscience. But if you think it was god, that was a poor source for your conscience. My morals are higher than gods ( and apparently yours too). I won't allow an innocent man to die in my place. I don't care whose plan it is or what great payoff of glory waits at the end. Only criminals allow others to pay for their crimes. Moral people with a conscience step up and accept responsibility for their actions.
@terrylausc I have committed many sins since I was born. But only I am responsible for those sins. Christ did not commit those sins, I did. So only I can be punished for them. If I stand back and accept Christ dieing in my place, that would be wrong. Wouldn't it? Are you saying it is OK to punish the innocent for something the wicked did?
@Bergkristall I first read the Bible when I was 17 and, honestly, most of it made little sense. I attended church ( Assembly of God) regularly from 1972 until 2000. In that time, I probably read the Bible several more times ( if you include Bible study every Thursday night). In 2001, after leaving the church, I re-read the Bible and it was clearer. Of course I was 41 by then. Since then, I've read many books about the Bible and it's history. Now, I'm about to read it again for the 3rd time.
@000SMITH000 Oh and also, what god wants for us, is to not keep sinning. the purpose of him dieing was to clean our slate. Look, he even ROSE FROM THE DEAD, saying Satan can't hold me down :d How joyous is that?? If from your experience people took it for granted then, i am praying for oyou dude. but seriously, look at the full result of it. resurection is for you to be born again through him with him consuming you. Then it wont be your life, but it will be Jesus working everything. God bless
@dancTDC The fact is, Jesus didn't really sacrifice that much anyway. He was only dead for 3 days ( basically a long weekend) but then he rose up and got to spend eternity in heaven as a god. That sounds like a pretty sweet deal, you know? Anyone would take that offer, I know I would. So really, where was the big sacrifice? But it's still wrong to let an innocent man die in the place of the guilty...even he he does get rewarded with being a god 3 days later. God's salvation "plan" is immoral.
@dancTDC The fact is, Jesus didn't really sacrifice that much anyway. He was only dead for 3 days ( basically a long weekend) but then he rose up and got to spend eternity in heaven as a god. That sounds like a pretty sweet deal, you know? Anyone would take that offer, I know I would. So really, where was the big sacrifice? But it's still wrong to let an innocent man die in the place of the guilty...even he he does get rewarded with being a god 3 days later. God's salvation "plan" is immoral.
It's not about whether you accept the death of Christ or not. Whether you accept it or not He carried ALL of your sins past present and future. Please realize Jesus IS God. You say that it is immoral but where do your moral standards come from? " you won't allow an innocent person pay for your sins" , realize there is NO other way for you to be saved because your death is NOT ENOUGH to satisfy the wrath of God even if you wanted to, because we are wicked. The only way, is Jesus.
@godfajza I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It IS about whether I ( or anyone) accepts the sacrifice of Christ for their own crimes. It doesn't matter if it was God's "plan" or God's "gift" to us. It is ALWAYS immoral to allow an innocent person to be punished for the wrongs of the guilty. And yes, I fully realize there is NO OTHER WAY into heaven, but I simply won't do it. I have a conscience and I have morals. Apparently, my morals are higher than God's and anyone else who takes this deal.
@000SMITH000 Sorry to step on your parade because you've just created your own definition of morals. what is Good or Bad? in nature nothing is 'good' or 'bad' everything is neutral. Does a whale find it immoral to kill a dolphin and eat it? It seems like you defined morality as a collectible merit to the whole society. Please tell me where your morality comes from, societal convention? Because at Hitlers time, it was moral to kill all Jews.(or so they thought),- just something to think about.
@godfajza My morals come from the same place yours do. Our parents, the communities we live in, and the laws of our country. And no, it was not moral for Hitler to kill all Jews ( although the Catholic church was just fine with Hitler's actions, at the time.) I stand by my statement that it is ALWAYS immoral to punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. And, furthermore, it is ALWAYS immoral for the guilty to accept such a deal. If this is "God's plan"( and it is) it is immoral.
@000SMITH000 Societal morals are simply "If it does greater benefit to the rest of the community and if it results in the maximum happiness of the community as a whole it is good" This is just seeking happiness, and this happiness is all vanity. When Jesus died for us. It doesn't mean he died innocent. When he died, he was an adulterer , a molester , a thief because he became ONE with us, this is the great exchange. Let me tell you what is immoral--to deny the holy God who ALREADY died for you.
@godfajza Your definition of "societal" morals is false. And, as long as you aren't hurting someone else, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with seeking happiness. I realize Christ ALREADY died for my sins and that is a real shame. He did nothing to deserve the punishment he received. He was an innocent man. And so, for the 3rd time, let me say it again. It is ALWAYS wrong to punish the innocent in place of the guilty. ALWAYS. I don't care whose bright idea it was, it was ( and is) immoral.
@000SMITH000 You are truly lost...to tell GOD no don't take my placeI dont care what you say its wrong...give us due justice (hell). Thank GOD that He did not listen to you. Speak for yourself but I want that pardon more than I'd want a pardon from death row had I been found guilty or from any crime I'm facing due justice. Yes God in the Person of the God Man did not deserve it...you & I did. Its not about seeking hapiness but those times your happiness did hurt others (like GOD).
@Alicenotinchains I realize that you want that "pardon" for your sins, but God doesn't just pardon you. He makes sure someone else dies in your place ( Jesus) and that's immoral. You are just like every other Christian I've ever met...you are soooo happy to let an innocent man die for your crimes. Well, I can't do it. I have morals. I couldn't sleep at night knowing someone else was murdered for something I did. If you have no problem with that, fine. As for me, I have a conscience.
@000SMITH000 No you are immoral & a abominable. I will block your evil anti-Christ satanic inspired comments. I praise God for the sacrifice He made when He in the Person of Lord Yeshua (3rd. person in trinity) openly demonstrated His love for me & the world in that when we were yet in sin Jesus Christ died for us. Keep listening to satan (the ancient deciever) & you will regret it for all eternity.
@000SMITH000 To abstain from falling below your own standards; this is pride. Why is it that you feel you cannot stoop below your "higher than God" standards and accept forgiveness of sin? The opposite of pride is humility. You must be humble to let Christ carry your burden and responsibility rather than yourself.
Please read Psalm 149: 4, Proverbs 18:12, Proverbs 22:4, Matthew 23:12, Luke 16:15. Please think really hard about these verses.
@BingtheLizard My standards are not all that high ( just higher than Christians). I simply feel people should take responsibility for their own actions and NOT cast them off on someone else. How is that being prideful? When you let an innocent person ( Christ) step in and take your punishment for you, that is NOT being humble. That is plain evil and immoral. I'm sure murderers sitting in prison would love to be "humbled" ( as you say) by finding an innocent man to do their time for them.
@000SMITH000 I was a prisoner to sin. Christ did my time, before I could ask. Should I slap him in the face for it, reject his sacrifice that he made when thinking of me and call him a fool because I'm strong enough to do my eternal time without him?
Your sins are paid for. Christ wanted to pay for them so that you wouldn't have to carry them to your grave. He wants your friendship. Denying his sacrifice is telling him that his best efforts were useless. That's far lower than humble acceptance.
@000SMITH000 After that comment you just sent, I'm now confused. You believe in the trinity? Jesus; the Son is God, as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. If God (all three in one) was "immoral and rude", then He would be (according to your logic) sinful, and would hence have known that as an impure being He could not remove our sin by dying if He was corrupted already. Hence His omniscience would be forfeit since one could claim that he didn't know what he was doing and (cont--->)
@BingtheLizard ---> He would deserve to die like the rest of us anyway; actually validating His death in a whole other way. This is circular logic; to say that God was innocent and guilty of immorality (according to your personal moral standards; whom He created anyway - His ways and thoughts are above yours and mine; read Isaiah 55:9; and He created you to obey His morals).
@BingtheLizard I am an atheist. I don't believe in any of the nonsense of the Bible. But I enjoy showing believers the fallacy and hypocrisy of their own bible. It's kind of a hobby. And one of the obvious examples is the sacrifice of Christ. I have read your 2 part posting about God being both immoral and rude and that would validate his death in a whole other way. Guess what? I agree completely. It is total nonsense that Christians hold their God so high and yet his actions are so immoral.
@000SMITH000 I have seen no fallacy in the Word. It is more coherent to me than your argument founded in circular logic. I apologise that I can't comprehend your full argument. You may verbally abuse me all you wish. I'm still sticking with what makes sense though. Though we entirely disagree, thanks for the discussion. I know I learn how people including myself think; from every argument that ensues. Long life to you mate.
@BingtheLizard My argument is not circular, you simply have no logical response for why it is moral to kill an Innocent man ( or God, doesn't change the argument) for the crimes of the guilty. You can dance around the question and pull out verses all day long. In the end, killing innocent men ( or animals) is simply a holdover from 2000 years ago. It is further evidence that the writers of the bible were simply bronze age sheepherders and that the bible is not "the word of god."
@BingtheLizard ...you wrote that " your sins are paid for." No they're not....not yet, anyway. Don't you read your own Bible? Your sins are NOT paid for UNTIL you accept that Christ died in your place. Until then, you are still a sinner and bound for hell. Well, I'm sorry. It is immoral to allow an innocent man to die for you. I don't know why this is so hard for Christians to understand. I realize the only other choice is hell, but I'll go there with my conscience and my morals intact.
@000SMITH000 Please read 2 Corinthians 5:21 before you tell me where I'm at with God. That's business between Him and I. Notice that in that verse, for Christ to be "made" sin, then there had to be a crapload of sin poured onto him as he was pure. That crapload of sin was yours and mine buddy. Where have you derived your morality from? Please share the verse(s) you've obviously found that say that it is immoral for God to make rules, to intervene with sin for us, or that we can bear our own sin.
So...it seems I crushed your argument about being "humble" and being "pardoned". Don't you have a response to my posting? It looks like you've decided to admit defeat and run away to another topic ( that's what most Christians do when their "logic" fails them). Now, you're talking about being a "prisoner to sin". Fine, I can play that game too. But it sure is a lot of work keeping a Christian on topic. It's like nailing jello to the wall. Whatever, here goes....
@godfajza Please stop setting yourself up for the sin of blasphemy & demonic activty in your heart even more than it is already before its no hope. Eternity is 1 say closer for you.
The correct answer is: "Quit seeking men as your savior" (She was seeking salvation outside of Christ). "Quit crying to God to save you. He already has." (She was ignorant of what Christ already accomplished.) Make him the Lord of your life instead of yourself. Jesus never said, "Ask me to come into your life". All He asks is for you to make him your Lord by following his ways..That' has to be your decsison, not his - so quit asking him to do it. Only then will your life ever change.
The problem is, like i have done in the past, so many people go around saying that they are saved because they got all emotional in one service and felt guilty and asked God to come into their lives, Not really meaning it and carrying on in their old ways, true salvation comes when one has actually come to the realisation of the importance of what Yeshua has done for them and through that realisation they become humble and ask Yeshua into their lives
@infinitechamp3000 Slavation comes when Jesus sits on the throne of judement and says enter heaven, before that you must "work out you salvation with fear and trembling". Until one is sactified by grace and recieves "slavation through sanctification" (which rarley happens on earth) one must continue to remain in grace so that one might recieve "grace for grace" and become sanctified.
this girl had been saved 6 times but continued walking in the worlds way so she said enough is enough, she decided that she wanted to be saved and asked Paul how can she be saved and he basically told her to seek the face of God until she knows she has been saved by God
Being "saved" is a decision in your mind. The woman he describes was being honest with herself: she could not hear the voice of god. As most of us cannot. People like Paul made the decision to be "saved" and then asked themselves "what do I do now?" This woman, however, made the decision to WANT to be saved and never moved beyond this point. God cannot "save" her, only she can. Only she can decide to be "saved" and move forward.
I was saved 10+ times and EVERY time I cried and was (from what I saw) more honest to "god" and sincere about being saved than any of the others being saved and I cared so much about my religion I did neverending research (started about 4 years ago) on it which led me to be an Agnostic. I suppose I'm more Agnostic Atheist but just because god doesn't seem very nice and follow religion that doesn't mean it even has to care about us at all it may still exist and so I call myself Agnostic alone.
@pokeshmon ::: Your problem is the bible. Bart Ehrman, bible scholar, concluded that the bible was the word of man, not the word of God. Forget the whole Christianity bit, just be concerned about the Creator alone. Treat others well, follow the Golden Rule. Download "Life in the World Unseen" (free) for a more intelligent look at the future life.
You can have that experience again. Cry out to God, get into a meaningful prayer relationship with him and ask the Holy Spirit for a new outpouring of himself in you. God has not changed, you have, but he wants you back!
@1216saab ::: It was an emotional experience. You don't need to be concerned about it. Treat others well, follow the Golden Rule, and God will be satisfied with your life. Biblical theology sucks.
@k0smon No ,you are wrong. It was real and anything outside of following the will of God only brings despair. If you live a life full of sin,God will not speak to your heart.
I never found that God had a will for my life. He let me have perfect freedom, and when I chose too much 'faith', I regretted it. I needed more common sense. If Christianity is not working for you, get rid of it. Chose spirituality over religion. It has been many years now that I recognized Christianity to be just another religion and not true in fact, and I would never go back.
@k0smon So what does that all mean? Live and do whatever you want? having a personal relationship with God through Jesus is not a religion anyway.Christianity means believing in Christ! (hence the name Christianity). It means living an obedient life to God.Spirituality does nothing but exalt the person and not Jesus Christ! Jesus said that he was the only way to God and heaven. Just get rid of that? Not today... sorry!
@1216saab The problem is the 'personal relationship' business. Your 'relationship' is with a 'word picture', not a real person. Just emotions. You can live the same kind of life, spiritually, without the hocus pocus of a Jesus.
God is : that is sufficient. You can come to the Father because He is everywhere present, and needs no middle men to intercede for you. Get into 'new thought', because the old thought (Christianity) is not working for you. Don't be sad, be glad. The old ways are gone.
@k0smon maybe you haven't had real experiences with God doing miraculous things in your life. And.. you fail to understand the awesome love of God by sending Christ to die for you. Jesus is in spirit and he will come into your life and in a very personal way.You need to repent of sins and self pride to receive him.Jesus and God are one if you ever read the Bible.The Bible is still true today as it was over 2000 years ago. Im only sad if I try to rationalize human intellect It offers nothing.
@1216saab God did not institute Christianity, it is just one of man's many religions. Nobody needs to die for me, I just need to learn how to live. That whole scenario of sacrifice and redemption is all part of the act. The old ways no longer work for you. God is giving you the opportunity to find something that does. Fear not. Seek, and ye shall find. Find the simple reality of spirituality, unencumbered by earthly religions.
@1216saab If you wish to hang on to Christianity so desperately, then don't complain about it. Plumb it depths until you find out how shallow it really is. Live your life as unto the Father, and you will come out OK. Blessings!
The Spirit did not create the world...Jesus did (Romans 1). I'm not saying that Washer is teaching heresy, but ought to clarify himself on this point.
The rest of it is right on! I like his definition of repentance..."giving up to God". The classic definition is "change your mind", but I see no conflict between the two positions.
tigerlilly66 1 week ago
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from your sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
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mercedesandethan99 3 weeks ago
All of these false converts on here...having been brought up in a seeker sensitive church, its so hard for them once they hear the true gospel! Thank you Paul Washer
dnlcast2 1 month ago
Fastest way to know you are saved is you feel Jesus in your heart,then you feel the Holy ghost.Then live in Obedience with the image of Jesus Christ.Everyday pray always.Put Jesus Christ first in your life.You will fill the Holy ghost persecute you in wrong you may have done.He will always work on you.
kbarl1 3 months ago
@kbarl1 The scriptures does NOT mention that in order to know that you are saved you WILL feel it. Of course, we WILL feel God's presence, but it's not a valid thing to base your salvation on. Even the saved man will have times in his life when he won't feel or see the reality of God's existance and glory. It all goes down to your faith in his promises that he will NEVER leave you and what he has done. Faith, my friend!
Gothxha 1 month ago
atleast paul and his wife know for sure they are going to heaven...some of us ,who dont have it all together,have to rely on the perfect works of christ on the cross,His gift of righteousness and abundance of grace,,oh and His perfect Obedience and the fact that we are in Him for assurance..."Poor" us!
kaymyle 3 months ago
Uh this is a good question.I never know when i was really saved,and sometimes tought i was saved but truly wasnt.Who knows.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb The Lord knows wether you are saved or not. It is his will that you should know that you are saved. You will have assurance if you belong to him. Don't doubt continue to listen to Paul Washer's surmons.
nakedfrenzy6241 3 months ago
Zero. Poor me. Eternal torture awaits. Yay.
aboyborninjune 4 months ago
kann das jemand auf deutsch übersetzen?
StrahleHell 5 months ago
Why is there Mormon commercials right before the video? I've seen other worldly commercials before Lane's videos too? Why? I can't share these videos with others with such garbage before the video starts. Help!!!!
tdosoldier 5 months ago
@tdosoldier theres nothing the uploader can do about the ads google places them
abominableangel 4 months ago
And he was messenger sent to the House of Israel, saying: I have come to you with clear proves from Ellah your Guardian Lord, making for you out of clay a pidgeon that flies away by Almighty God's permission. I tell you what you conceal in your bellies and houses. I make for you easy what was difficult for you before, will you not believe? Obey me, this is the straight path -Quran.
lastsaracen 5 months ago
honestly this is garbage.. because of people who preach messages like these cults are formed.. all you have to do is repent and believe God will do the rest.. in this message paul preaches works salvation all you need is faith
thelumberjackjohn 5 months ago
@thelumberjackjohn AMEN!
tulipsRonlyflowers 1 week ago
hes a c grade actor with a decent voice and a born n' bred appetite for manipulating humans even down to the badly tailored suits...forgive them father theu know not what they do
desktopspoon 5 months ago
@husbandoftalithakoum
The great problem is that pride, self-righteousness and hypocrisy hide in the difference between our desire to "Serve Christ with all your heart!" and the truth that we fail to do this every single day. This is what Paul has not yet learned to effectively deal with in his preaching, leaving some feeling "I'm with THE group" and others feeling Paul's preaching a gospel of works. Paul has some good things to offer but he's not always led by the Lord in his messages.
BludBaut 5 months ago
@husbandoftalithakoum "This is the negative side of Washer's message that he doesn't understand."
Some would argue that he does understand it because of what's mentioned at the very end of this video. That's true. What I meant is that he doesn't understand how people use his messages to pretend they're something that they're not while condemning others for not being what they should be. Paul preaches "selling out" but Paul admits the many times he doesn't live up to his message.
BludBaut 5 months ago
@husbandoftalithakoum That's extremely harsh. The grace of God is bigger than that. If I were to hear that condemnation, it would put me in depression. Yet, the Word says, "The joy of the Lord is our strength."
God desires truth in the inner man (Ps51:6) and facing our daily failures is part of humility. Those who think like your comment struggle with defeat and depression and are unsure of the love of God.
This is the negative side of Washer's message that he doesn't understand.
BludBaut 5 months ago
@BludBaut The truth is that our failures are used by God, if we respond in faith towards Him, to build in us love and compassion for other sinners instead of hypocritically condemning them for "not being as spiritual as we are." We don't say that where we can hear it, but we must recognize when it's our evil heart attitude.
The fact that God so strongly emphasizes loving others bears witness to what I'm saying.
BludBaut 5 months ago
See my video entitled "God's Prison." Don't be deceived...you still have time.
Electfilmproductions 5 months ago
so to prevent us from boasting, we can do bad and bad and still go to heaven?
skatetennis123 5 months ago
which sermon is this taken from? i want to show someone the entire video =)
chriswatkinsdotcom 6 months ago
I know alot of people who have taken that stroll down the church isle, and repeated the preachers words- the prayer of salvation- and they are as dead today as they have ever been, because they didn't truly mean it, or because they never truly repented of their sins. I have seen it many times. I can see how what Washer is saying here could be the will of God for this particular woman. Perhaps God wanted this woman to think about her need for Christ, so she could truly see how lost she had been.
gilbertshea 6 months ago
This guy is wrong. The second we call out to the Messiah to save us from sin, He does so, and it's forever.
Jorm83 6 months ago
@Jorm83 But if they show no evidence (Fruits) then what does that lead us to believe? That's not me, that's the Bible. We know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:17-19. And those who show no fruits, haven't recieved salvation. Because God is the author of salvation, so we become conformed (Rom. 12:1-2). If we still live in blatant sin we refute Gal. 2:20, and Romans 6:6. We dont contend for the Faith, and turn from the grace of God (Jude 3-4). Also, we dont show Phil. 1:6, God completing work. GB!
ItsNowWarfare 6 months ago
@ItsNowWarfare Sorry. You are completely misinterpreting the text. You will know the false prophets by their fruits (their teaching, their doctrine). It has nothing to do with lifestyle. Rom 12:1,2 is a command to people who are already believers. It is possible for believers to live exactly the same as they were before they got everlasting life. That is what the doctrine of justification by faith alone is all about. Faith alone is all that is needed, no works are needed.
dreiher2 6 months ago
@ItsNowWarfare Phil 1:6 has nothing at all to do with the lifestyle of believers. Look at the context. It is talking about the fellowship (i.e. money) that they gave Paul. God would continue to work in the lives of believers to provide financially for Paul and other missionaries until Christ returns. Those who persevere to the end in giving money to the ministry will be rewarded at the Bema, with advanced status as they rule and reign with Christ in His Millennial reign on earth.
dreiher2 6 months ago
@dreiher2 So does God not keep us till the end? Though you've tried context, you've left out the key words. He will finish the good work He started in you. Salvation. Fellowship is something that believers partake in according to 1 John. We are to walk in fellowship as an evidence. Though I agree, Paul was grateful for offering haha! Though I also agree, those who give will be blessed, that's right on with scripture. But preserverence of giving money has nothing to do with salvation.
ItsNowWarfare 6 months ago
@dreiher2 And regardless, if I am wrong on the Phil 1:6 interpretation, it's not the only backing. We see several instances in scripture about God continuing in us, and calling us to Him. Ecc 3:14, John 3:18, John 5:24, John 6:37, John 6:39-40, John 10:27-29, John 17:9-24, Rom 4:5-6, Rom 8:29-30, Rom 8:33, Rom 8:35, 37-39, Rom 11:29,1 Cor 12:13, 2 Cor 5:17, 21, Eph 1:4-5, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 2:5-6, Phil 1:6, Phil 4:3, 2 Tim 1:12, 2 Tim 4:18, Heb 10:14, Heb 12:2, 1 Pet 1:5, 1 John 2:9, Jude 23-25.
ItsNowWarfare 6 months ago
@ItsNowWarfare There is nothing in any of those passages that all believers will persevere in faith and good works until the end of life. In fact, I would say 99% of believers live exactly like unbelievers because of Reformed Theology which denies future rewards based upon obedience. I would love you to come by my blog to discuss the non-reformed interpretation of all these passages in context. None of them teach the inevitability of progressive sanctification! Look at the contexts.
dreiher2 5 months ago
@ItsNowWarfare I think it is interesting that nobody took me up on showing where he believes in Jesus as the granter and guarantor of his everlasting life, with 100% certainty, no matter how he lives. There is not a single verse in the Bible that says what you are claiming. I looked at a few of these. It takes me about 2 seconds to show where you are wrong on every one. Do you really want me to do that? My point has never been disproven. Paul Washer is probably not saved.
dreiher2 1 month ago
@dreiher2 Im Sorry To Jump into This. But You Say You're Saved. Correct? Christians Shouldn't Judge One Anothers Salvation With God. Their Relationship Is Not You're Relationship. Plus It Says In The Bible That not To Judge. And When The Bible Says One Thing And People Who Say They're Christians Act The Other Way. It Contradicts, And trashy The Image Of Jesus. " I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I've Had Someone Say This To Me...
AwesomePeople313 2 weeks ago
@AwesomePeople313 I get what you're saying and agree. The problem is that our examinations of ourselves and others have become judging and non-loving. We are in-fact supposed to test each other in line with scripture but the act and the outcome is with full love and faith and to come into closer relationship with God. Judge and test in line of one's faith has become distorted. You can test your faith (and others) without judging but the result must glorify God. In Peace.
definitiongrace 1 week ago
@dreiher2 Lets Show Others The Image Of God. It Might Be The Only light They See.
AwesomePeople313 2 weeks ago
@dreiher2 I'm not really trying to dispute, but I'm just throwing things out here. I love to hear what my brothers say. It's the iron sharpening iron deal. Thanks brother, And look forward to your next comment. I dont want you to think I'm coming of mean or arrogantly. Or that I'm trying to prove everyone wrong, I'm still in the midst of studying and I know I'm not right on everything. Thanks for bearing with me though. God bless!
ItsNowWarfare 6 months ago
@Jorm83 Let us not forget Matthew 7:21-23 either. By your jurisdiction, though these men had apparent issues of works based salvation, they had 'called on the name'. They believed themselves saved. But they weren't. This is what we call a false profession. Many say Lord, Lord... But He will turn most away. Matthew 7:13-14. Narrow gate, narrow path. Our profession is worth nothing without the Gift of repentance. The streets of Heaven won't be as populated as we want them to be. God Bless!
ItsNowWarfare 6 months ago
@Jorm83 amen brother!!
tulipsRonlyflowers 1 week ago
This guy is a joke, a false preacher....
oysterhead5150 6 months ago
@oysterhead5150 based on what?
trevor8930 6 months ago
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@oysterhead5150 "This guy is a joke, a false preacher....
oysterhead5150 4 days ago "
The man is a son of God and a brother in Christ; so what are you? Each one will answer to the Master; what will you tell Him?
Read your Bible and if you can't understand it, then be very worried. For this man, Paul Washer, knows and understands the word of God.
May God open you heart for His glory.
7801Croc 6 months ago
All debt must be repaid even the debt you have to God for sin. The blood of Christ has paid that debt in full and purchased for you eternal life.
You will not go to hell because you were not able to pay your debt for sin, but because you rejected Christ’s payment for it. Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and his payment for your sin. It is your only hope!
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. ” (2 Cor 5:21)
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midactsD 6 months ago
“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” – 2 Cor 5:19
midactsD 6 months ago
agree but when you are saved you must live like you are saved. Paul Washer is talking to the majority of "Christians" who believed to be saved by simply by just reading those scriptures you just posted and than go out living like any other regular sinful person. We are changed once we experience the Love of God and through that Love we continue to change.
A1Remedy 6 months ago
Washer is the master of emotion and straw man arguments to teach a damnable heresy. There are many preachers (such as the late Zane Hodges) who teach a clear message of faith alone in Christ alone apart from works and that we are not saved by a prayer or a decision. Faith is a persuasion, and 100% assurance is part of it. (Washer must not have read 1 John 5:13). I have never heard him preach salvation from John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, 11:25-27 or 20:31. Apart from the truth there, nobody is saved.
dreiher2 7 months ago
@dreiher2 "I have never heard him preach salvation from John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, 11:25-27 or 20:31. Apart from the truth there, nobody is saved." Before you pass judgment, in God's seat, on Paul Washer, a son of God and brother in Christ - perhaps you need to listen to him preach on Ezekiel 36; the "New birth" as presented in the OT. Remember, as i myself must also, we will give an account for every careless word we speak. The Gospel is a command ; salvation is a gift manifested by our lives.
7801Croc 6 months ago
@7801Croc Do you know 100% for certain that Paul Washer has everlasting life? He clearly states that unless a person has works then they are on their way to hell. He teaches that faith that works, (really the same thing as a faith PLUS works) message. This message cannot save. I know 100% sure I have everlasting life because I believed in Jesus as the granter and guarantor of my everlasting life. (John 3:16,17). I have never heard Paul Washer state this. so I don't think he is saved.
dreiher2 6 months ago
@dreiher2 Quote: "he clearly states that unless a person has works" I have listened to him enough to know he doesn't preach a works-based salvation. Salvation is so difficult only God can achieve it - Paul Washer
You problem is that you have what Paul warned about - easy belieivism and as Solomon said "nothing new under the sun". If Jesus were here He would tell you to repent and believe the gospel; I guess by that standard Jesus is telling you to "work" He also said " CONTINUED ABOVE
7801Croc 6 months ago
@dreiher2 Continued from below
Jesus gave to commands to "Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself - in your world this must seem like a works-based salvation. You have been desensitized by the emergent church culture and are in dangerous territory in my opinion - each will answer to his own Master. I suggest, as I do to everyone, to read your Bible more systematically and everyday.
7801Croc 6 months ago
@7801Croc - There is a big difference between faith that works (really faith plus works) for justification salvation, and faith that works (faith plus works) for sanctification salvation and future rewards. MacArthur, Washer, and just about every Reformed/Lordship theologian I have read/heard confuses justification truth with sanctification truth. This is the Roman Catholic error, that is, confusing justification and sanctification. Come listen to videos on my channel which explain this.
dreiher2 6 months ago
@dreiher2 QUOTE: "There is a big difference between faith that works"
Apparently you don't either listen to them and/or just plain get it. they both teach that faith comes by hearing the word and the justification is the result of believing in Jesus Christ and the work HE DID and the RESULT on a transformed life in Christ is works, which GOD PREPARED beforehand that the man of God would walk in them. That is not justification by works and is not what either men teach-you lack discernment!!
7801Croc 6 months ago
@7801Croc I listen to them all the time, and have done a lot of writing about them and others such as Caneday & Schreiner. Both Washer and Piper clearly misinterpret 2 Cor 13 as teaching us to doubt whether we have everlasting life. The examination has nothing to do with that. It is talking about the Bema seat of Christ, where a believer will either be rewarded or punished in the kingdom. Reformed Theology confuses justification & sanctification. Have you viewed any of my videos on dreiher2?
dreiher2 5 months ago
@dreiher2 "listen to them all the time,"
If this is true, then why do you rail against them? They R godly messengers & so it is God you are railing against when you rail against his true messengers. Your problem is a need for repentance. They do not confuse justification; it is a forensic term and they clarify this that when one truly repents, a turning away from sin & toward God & believe the gospel; they are at that point JUSTIFIED by His Grace, I have heard them declare it a 100 times!!
7801Croc 5 months ago
@7801Croc Almost every time I look in book in the Christian book store, or listen to a Christian radio station, I hear Reformed/Perseverance teaching. They have taken over evangelicalism. How else can I be sure they are wrong, unless I listen to what these people are saying? How many of my Free Grace videos have you listened to? Have you read Hodges book, "Absolutely Free?" Do you even have an interest in what God says in the Bible about HIS saving message? John 3:16 says faith alone saves.
dreiher2 5 months ago
@dreiher2 QUOTE:"Almost every time I look in book in the Christian book store, or listen to a Christian radio.., I hear Reformed/Perseverance teaching" - i wish that book store was here..LOL Now I know where you are coming from; you keep following the likes of Zane Hodges who deny what Jesus said "REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL" the exact thing he writes against in his book and calls it Lordship salvation. If Jesus is not Lord over your life, then you will hear "depart from Me"-U love your sin!
7801Croc 5 months ago
@dreiher2 QUOTE:"2 Cor 13 as teaching us to doubt whether we have everlasting life" You either are misunderstand their teaching or are unsaved because you want the Savior w/out the Lord. Those are the one's who will say "Lord, Lord" & he will say depart from Me..." To examine oneself should be a routine; what do you believe the Lord's Supper teaches? They are pointing out what the Apostle John points out; the tests of real faith verses dead faith; "you will know them by their fruits" - JESUS
7801Croc 5 months ago
This has been weighing on my mind, and I keep thinking the same thing, the Word of God does not say:
"He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They replied, "Go home and cry out all night long until you you are sure that you are saved."
Acts 16:30-31
turnsouth 7 months ago
eating meat is not a sin, brutalizing an animal for your own enjoyment in creating pain is sin. Sex is not sin, but using it, outside of marriage, is counter productive-excuse the pun-in our spiritual lives for those who believe. For those who don't believe, don't worry about the sex or the killing of animals-you are guilty of a more serious sin-unbelief. Crazy-sounding but true to the bible.
tcamp007 7 months ago
eating meat is not a sin, brutalizing an animal for your own enjoyment in creating pain is sin. Sex is not sin, but using it, outside of marriage, is counter productive-excuse the pun-in our spiritual lives for those who believe. For those who don't believe don't worry about the sex or the killing of animals-you are guilty of a more serious sin.
tcamp007 7 months ago
SINS stealing everything is made of this earth so no one owns it so stealing not a sin.sex we wouldn't be here if not for it not a sin.killing we kill animals to eat we are animals not a sin.i could do them all but not going to.WE ARE KILLING THE EARTH THAT MEANS WE ARE KILLING OURSELVES.what does a group of animals(us)do when killing the weak@obtuse to keep group from becoming extinct, 100 billion people in less than 500years think im wrong after ww3 say that your religious.see what happens
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youneekk 8 months ago
So..are you saying it is for the slaves own good that someone owns him? Because he might starve on his own? That is laughable. ANY slave would rather take his chance on his own than to be owned by another human. You are trying to make a case for slavery ( which is pretty disgusting) but the more you write, the bigger the hole you dig for yourself. And yes, I realize in the "old days" slavery was widespread. But guess what? It was immoral then too. Slavery is outlawed now...
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 I cannot prove that 2 plus 2 is four to a man who denies it. I cannot prove that the sun is real to a blind person.
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry I feel like I'm talking to a child, but I'll try it one more time. Slavery is bad. Slavery is ALWAYS bad, no matter what time or culture you're talking about. If you think slavery is a good thing, then you are immoral. Also, if you think I'm wrong, try to find someone else on this planet who agrees with you. Good luck in your hunt.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 Regarding 'immorality' of Christ being punished for our sins. Not all Christians believe in penal substitution, some consider it protestant invention. There have been various theological explanations of atonement. For instance, you could check out what Church fathers like Athanasius taught on the subject.
givebackrankflv 7 months ago
@givebackrankflv Thanks for your response. I will definitely check out Athanasius.
000SMITH000 7 months ago
@AngleofLight1 Cheers. Keep wasting your time on your knees.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@AngleofLight1 My knee won't be bending, sorry. And I'll be laughing my ass off at all you praying fools. Besides....I think you're just pissed because Jesus didn't come this past Saturday like you thought he would. Oh well....another brain dead preacher gets it wrong again. LOL LOL
000SMITH000 8 months ago
Slavery is not evil, abusing is. You have no morals, you're a wretched sinner, and until you realize that, you will do no have any morals. Don't count what you do as an achievement, for there is none righteous. You do not know right from wrong, what you saying you are not blind makes you blind.
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry Did you just write that "slavery is not evil?" Are you serious? Because if you really meant what you wrote, then we are done. Your mind is warped beyond repair and I can't waste any more time with you. Good luck, pal.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 Now tell me, how is it evil? George Washington had slaves, yet he did not abuse them of any sort and he treated his slaves like a friend. You cannot even justify your answer. Answer me that pal. Your arrogance blinds and holds you together. Men have hated the truth from the beginning, and it only makes me laugh when you are hit with calamity. Come back later, so I can tear you apart again (:
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry First of all, how "friendly" you are to your slave has got nothing to do with the issue. It is immoral to enslave people ..no matter how you treat them. Slavery is the ownership of human beings.. slavery means tearing apart children from their parents and selling them to other slave holders. Slaves work for no wages or far less wages than "free" workers. Tell me something, genius.... if slavery is so wonderful why is it illegal in every civilized country on the planet ?
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 And do you know what would happen to a slave if they never were bought? They would die from starvation. If a man were to set a slave free, men would kidnap them and enslave them still. Why is it illegal in every civilized country on the planet? One, in the old days, the culture had slaves. Now, the culture has changed, because slave owners have abused their slaves and distorted humanity. Did the buyers tear apart families? No, the kidnappers did. And the only real solution is to not
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry ..and that is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing ( as you suggest). On your part about buyers tearing families apart, you are simply wrong. Slave owners ROUTINELY sold off children of slaves. Then you say that if a slave ran away ( during Caesars rein) he would be killed. Are you saying someone should be happy to be a slave because it's safer than being free? If that's your position, you are an idiot. ANYONE would trade the "safety" of slavery for the "risk' of freedom ANY DAY.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 buy, but the only way it would actually produce productive results is that if everyone boycotted the slave capturers. If a slave were to run away and be free in times of Caesar, they would probably be killed. If society and culture rebelled against the government, there would be too much bloodshed because there is not enough support.
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
But...if you'd like me to start rattling off Bible verses that show God's immoral nature, I can sure do that too. The Bible is chock full of God's horrendous acts and his immoral teachings to us all. It's a good thing no one holds him up as some sort of moral guide...OOOPS.....I forgot...some people actually do.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 Some of the heinous acts you find in the Bible, you may not find just because the human view of evil is not the same as God. The doom of countries and nations were because they were utterly sinful and did not repent for many years. God even punished Jerusalem for abandoning his commandments. Just something to look out for.
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry Please don't try to make excuses for your horrendous god. He condones slavery, stoning homosexuals and killing disobedient children ( to name just a few). When he wiped out the entire planet (except for Noah and his gang) he killed thousands of innocent children and pregnant women as well. I wonder what horrible crime those unborn fetuses committed? Your god is an evil, sickening tyrant.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 No because your view of just IS not just. There is no such thing as an innocent woman or child. We all have fallen short of the glory of God. When you tell a two year old, "Don't touch that toy in the corner, because you might choke on it!" and the 2 year old just goes and touches the toy. The nature of sin is to break every law there is. You have never read the Bible have you? For Christ had mercy on those who are unable to hear the word of truth.
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry IU..for the actions of their ancestors. It's insane. Your point about the 2 year old was laughable. The 2 year ignores your warning because he is a child and doesn't know right from wrong yet...not because he is some horrible sinner. And anyway, if you believe in the Bible, you should stone that child to death for not obeying you (Deuteronomy 21:18-21). I know that sounds horrendous, but it's right there in your Bible. It's the word of God, so it must be true...right? Wrong.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 Have you ever even read the flood of Noah? Men have lived wickedly time after time and never repented from their works. Every intention was heinous in the thought of man, and you know what God could have did? He could have wiped every human off of earth. Yet He had mercy on humanity that if they did not go on the Ark, they surely would have died. The Ark today is now Christ where he bore my sins on the cross. Slavery isn't horrible, abusing slaves is. Killing without just is evil.
AbysmalCry 8 months ago
@AbysmalCry I suppose if someone is completely brain dead, they might think it's just fine when God orders the slaughter of this tribe or the slaughter of that nation. And a complete moron might think slavery is just fine because God says it is. Guess what? It isn't. Slavery is evil and immoral. Killing whole tribes of people is evil and immoral. I don't need some make believe god to tell me it's OK when I know better. I have morals and I know right from wrong. The god of the Bible does not.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
I was a Christian for 28 years. I have read the Bible, page to page, many times. I am WELL aware of scripture and the nonsense throughout the Bible. Now that we cleared that up, let me address your points. Just because "God says so" or "the Bible says so" doesn't make it right or moral. Can you grasp that simple point? Now...the fact that we are all cursed ( born into sin) because of the actions of Adam and Eve is immoral in the first place. No one should be held accountable...
000SMITH000 8 months ago
I don't know where you stand with God and I don't care ( I don't recall making any claim about it). Yes, I realize Christ took our "sin debt" upon him. That's my whole point. He did nothing to deserve this treatment and, if we accept his death as payment for what we did, we are immoral also. As for morality, I derive mine from the same place you do ( hint: it ain't god). I don't need a bible verse to show me that god's actions are immoral, I think for myself ( remember, YOU are the believer)
000SMITH000 8 months ago
Man this is so depressing, the fact that one needs to cry just to get Christs attention is BEYOND me..
JukemDrawles89 8 months ago
This is the most intelligent preacher on the planet!
dnlcast2 8 months ago
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Undignified4JC 8 months ago
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Undignified4JC 8 months ago
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LStokes1000 9 months ago
we can understand God's word little by little as we grow in faith and wisdom. but we cannot fully understand God and his unfathomable ways.
MrJaspy09 9 months ago
I don't know why Paul Washer had to tell the distrought lady " stop crying out to God and Go to hell or keep crying out until he saves you.
I don't agree with his doctrine.
changeishere2008 9 months ago
We will all know when we die. No man lives forever. Please don't wait till death to believe in Jesus, because it will be too late when in hell. If there are Jews here, please, explain why you think there is no hell.
chrisl3698 9 months ago
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@chrisl3698 Anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is immoral. The Bible says we are all guilty of sin and deserve to die in hell. But if we accept the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, we are forgiven. Sorry, but that is simply evil. No one should EVER be punished for the wrong doings of another. And anyone who accepts the death of Christ for their own sins is immoral. Well, I won't allow an innocent person to pay for my "sins." I guess only people with no conscience can get into heaven.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
Amen!
OperationReapSouls 9 months ago
Anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is immoral. The Bible says we are all guilty of sin and deserve to die in hell. But if we accept the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, we are forgiven. Sorry, but that is simply evil. No one( God or human) should EVER be punished for the wrong doings of another. And anyone who accepts the death of Christ for their own sins is immoral. Well, I won't allow an innocent person to pay for my "sins." I guess only people with no conscience can get into heaven.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 This is what we call love :D Do you love Jesus?
dancTDC 9 months ago
@dancTDC Jesus doesn't exists, so I can't love him ( neither can you). But it is not "love" to allow an innocent man to die for your crimes...it is just plain sick. If you let an innocent man pay for your crimes, you are immoral. Plain and simple.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 the problem with that is, you dont believe in Jesus. call us crazy, call us obsessed. I believe in what i believe, you do your own. Now nothing can change that, can it :3 But Jesus is always there, whether you want to believe or not. Around you, and inside of you. Praying for you. Jesus Loves you.
BTW, although he died as an innocent man, he rose again, cuz nothing can hold him back in this world. God is clever, isn't he?
dancTDC 9 months ago
@dancTDC No, god is not clever...he is sick. He says we MUST ignore our own conscience and accept the torture of an innocent man in our place. And if we don't, he sends us to hell. That is one twisted plan. God sacrificed himself to himself to prevent himself from carrying out his own plan of damnation. LOL...what part of that makes any sense? BTW..I know christ rose 3 days after being crucified. So, what EXACTLY DID HE LOSE? What was the big sacrifice? He gets to live in heaven forever.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 He lost you if you don't turn from what you think to what He does. You're probably one the very people that say, "Don't judge a book by its cover", but judge the bible by its cover without any real knowledge of what's in it.e. All little knowledge of the bible is like a plug with one prong. You can plug in but you get no power. Get the whole story before you make a judgement or you're being a hypocrite. And if you're true to truth, you won't start pointing your finger at others.
aaroneaus 9 months ago
@aaroneaus I was a Christian for 28 years. I attended church twice a week and bible study every Thursday night. I have read the bible, cover to cover, MANY times. I'm am very aware of it's contents, so I am well equipped to pass judgment on it's ridiculous messages. God's plan of salvation is immoral. You MUST accept the death of an innocent man for YOUR crimes in order to escape hell. I'm sorry, but I have a conscience and I won't do it. I don't know why Christians can't see this.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
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@000SMITH000 You were not a christian. You did not belong to the elect in the first place. You will die in your sins.
Bergkristall 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 You can never understand God, can you? i guess we all agree on that xD
dancTDC 9 months ago
@dancTDC No one can understand god. But I know right from wrong. And it is wrong to punish an innocent man for the crimes of a guilty man. By the way....do you claim to understand god?
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 Nah, i basically was talking about all of us when i said we all agree on that, you know? and BTW who gave you the consience to know right from wrong? And if you dont agree fine. But just read the bible, especially Romans, and John 3:16, and you'll understand a glimpse of his ultimate glory and plan. god bless :3
dancTDC 9 months ago
@dancTDC I have read the bible, cover to cover, many times. No one "gave" me my conscience. But if you think it was god, that was a poor source for your conscience. My morals are higher than gods ( and apparently yours too). I won't allow an innocent man to die in my place. I don't care whose plan it is or what great payoff of glory waits at the end. Only criminals allow others to pay for their crimes. Moral people with a conscience step up and accept responsibility for their actions.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 well this is where we part ways i guess :)
dancTDC 9 months ago
@dancTDC I guess so. Good luck to you in the future.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000
Only criminals allow others to pay for their crimes.
Well that means you DO NOT commit a single sin at all since you were born. =)
terrylausc 9 months ago
@terrylausc I have committed many sins since I was born. But only I am responsible for those sins. Christ did not commit those sins, I did. So only I can be punished for them. If I stand back and accept Christ dieing in my place, that would be wrong. Wouldn't it? Are you saying it is OK to punish the innocent for something the wicked did?
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 I dont believe you read the bible several times. You probably did not read it even once.
Bergkristall 9 months ago
@Bergkristall I first read the Bible when I was 17 and, honestly, most of it made little sense. I attended church ( Assembly of God) regularly from 1972 until 2000. In that time, I probably read the Bible several more times ( if you include Bible study every Thursday night). In 2001, after leaving the church, I re-read the Bible and it was clearer. Of course I was 41 by then. Since then, I've read many books about the Bible and it's history. Now, I'm about to read it again for the 3rd time.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 Oh and also, what god wants for us, is to not keep sinning. the purpose of him dieing was to clean our slate. Look, he even ROSE FROM THE DEAD, saying Satan can't hold me down :d How joyous is that?? If from your experience people took it for granted then, i am praying for oyou dude. but seriously, look at the full result of it. resurection is for you to be born again through him with him consuming you. Then it wont be your life, but it will be Jesus working everything. God bless
dancTDC 9 months ago
@dancTDC The fact is, Jesus didn't really sacrifice that much anyway. He was only dead for 3 days ( basically a long weekend) but then he rose up and got to spend eternity in heaven as a god. That sounds like a pretty sweet deal, you know? Anyone would take that offer, I know I would. So really, where was the big sacrifice? But it's still wrong to let an innocent man die in the place of the guilty...even he he does get rewarded with being a god 3 days later. God's salvation "plan" is immoral.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@dancTDC The fact is, Jesus didn't really sacrifice that much anyway. He was only dead for 3 days ( basically a long weekend) but then he rose up and got to spend eternity in heaven as a god. That sounds like a pretty sweet deal, you know? Anyone would take that offer, I know I would. So really, where was the big sacrifice? But it's still wrong to let an innocent man die in the place of the guilty...even he he does get rewarded with being a god 3 days later. God's salvation "plan" is immoral.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000
It's not about whether you accept the death of Christ or not. Whether you accept it or not He carried ALL of your sins past present and future. Please realize Jesus IS God. You say that it is immoral but where do your moral standards come from? " you won't allow an innocent person pay for your sins" , realize there is NO other way for you to be saved because your death is NOT ENOUGH to satisfy the wrath of God even if you wanted to, because we are wicked. The only way, is Jesus.
godfajza 9 months ago
@godfajza I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It IS about whether I ( or anyone) accepts the sacrifice of Christ for their own crimes. It doesn't matter if it was God's "plan" or God's "gift" to us. It is ALWAYS immoral to allow an innocent person to be punished for the wrongs of the guilty. And yes, I fully realize there is NO OTHER WAY into heaven, but I simply won't do it. I have a conscience and I have morals. Apparently, my morals are higher than God's and anyone else who takes this deal.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 Sorry to step on your parade because you've just created your own definition of morals. what is Good or Bad? in nature nothing is 'good' or 'bad' everything is neutral. Does a whale find it immoral to kill a dolphin and eat it? It seems like you defined morality as a collectible merit to the whole society. Please tell me where your morality comes from, societal convention? Because at Hitlers time, it was moral to kill all Jews.(or so they thought),- just something to think about.
godfajza 9 months ago
@godfajza My morals come from the same place yours do. Our parents, the communities we live in, and the laws of our country. And no, it was not moral for Hitler to kill all Jews ( although the Catholic church was just fine with Hitler's actions, at the time.) I stand by my statement that it is ALWAYS immoral to punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. And, furthermore, it is ALWAYS immoral for the guilty to accept such a deal. If this is "God's plan"( and it is) it is immoral.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 Societal morals are simply "If it does greater benefit to the rest of the community and if it results in the maximum happiness of the community as a whole it is good" This is just seeking happiness, and this happiness is all vanity. When Jesus died for us. It doesn't mean he died innocent. When he died, he was an adulterer , a molester , a thief because he became ONE with us, this is the great exchange. Let me tell you what is immoral--to deny the holy God who ALREADY died for you.
godfajza 9 months ago
@godfajza Your definition of "societal" morals is false. And, as long as you aren't hurting someone else, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with seeking happiness. I realize Christ ALREADY died for my sins and that is a real shame. He did nothing to deserve the punishment he received. He was an innocent man. And so, for the 3rd time, let me say it again. It is ALWAYS wrong to punish the innocent in place of the guilty. ALWAYS. I don't care whose bright idea it was, it was ( and is) immoral.
000SMITH000 9 months ago
@000SMITH000 You are truly lost...to tell GOD no don't take my placeI dont care what you say its wrong...give us due justice (hell). Thank GOD that He did not listen to you. Speak for yourself but I want that pardon more than I'd want a pardon from death row had I been found guilty or from any crime I'm facing due justice. Yes God in the Person of the God Man did not deserve it...you & I did. Its not about seeking hapiness but those times your happiness did hurt others (like GOD).
Alicenotinchains 8 months ago
@Alicenotinchains I realize that you want that "pardon" for your sins, but God doesn't just pardon you. He makes sure someone else dies in your place ( Jesus) and that's immoral. You are just like every other Christian I've ever met...you are soooo happy to let an innocent man die for your crimes. Well, I can't do it. I have morals. I couldn't sleep at night knowing someone else was murdered for something I did. If you have no problem with that, fine. As for me, I have a conscience.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 No you are immoral & a abominable. I will block your evil anti-Christ satanic inspired comments. I praise God for the sacrifice He made when He in the Person of Lord Yeshua (3rd. person in trinity) openly demonstrated His love for me & the world in that when we were yet in sin Jesus Christ died for us. Keep listening to satan (the ancient deciever) & you will regret it for all eternity.
Alicenotinchains 8 months ago
@Alicenotinchains You are quite insane. But pretty funny too.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 To abstain from falling below your own standards; this is pride. Why is it that you feel you cannot stoop below your "higher than God" standards and accept forgiveness of sin? The opposite of pride is humility. You must be humble to let Christ carry your burden and responsibility rather than yourself.
Please read Psalm 149: 4, Proverbs 18:12, Proverbs 22:4, Matthew 23:12, Luke 16:15. Please think really hard about these verses.
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
@BingtheLizard My standards are not all that high ( just higher than Christians). I simply feel people should take responsibility for their own actions and NOT cast them off on someone else. How is that being prideful? When you let an innocent person ( Christ) step in and take your punishment for you, that is NOT being humble. That is plain evil and immoral. I'm sure murderers sitting in prison would love to be "humbled" ( as you say) by finding an innocent man to do their time for them.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 I was a prisoner to sin. Christ did my time, before I could ask. Should I slap him in the face for it, reject his sacrifice that he made when thinking of me and call him a fool because I'm strong enough to do my eternal time without him?
Your sins are paid for. Christ wanted to pay for them so that you wouldn't have to carry them to your grave. He wants your friendship. Denying his sacrifice is telling him that his best efforts were useless. That's far lower than humble acceptance.
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
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000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 After that comment you just sent, I'm now confused. You believe in the trinity? Jesus; the Son is God, as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. If God (all three in one) was "immoral and rude", then He would be (according to your logic) sinful, and would hence have known that as an impure being He could not remove our sin by dying if He was corrupted already. Hence His omniscience would be forfeit since one could claim that he didn't know what he was doing and (cont--->)
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
@BingtheLizard ---> He would deserve to die like the rest of us anyway; actually validating His death in a whole other way. This is circular logic; to say that God was innocent and guilty of immorality (according to your personal moral standards; whom He created anyway - His ways and thoughts are above yours and mine; read Isaiah 55:9; and He created you to obey His morals).
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
@BingtheLizard I am an atheist. I don't believe in any of the nonsense of the Bible. But I enjoy showing believers the fallacy and hypocrisy of their own bible. It's kind of a hobby. And one of the obvious examples is the sacrifice of Christ. I have read your 2 part posting about God being both immoral and rude and that would validate his death in a whole other way. Guess what? I agree completely. It is total nonsense that Christians hold their God so high and yet his actions are so immoral.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 I have seen no fallacy in the Word. It is more coherent to me than your argument founded in circular logic. I apologise that I can't comprehend your full argument. You may verbally abuse me all you wish. I'm still sticking with what makes sense though. Though we entirely disagree, thanks for the discussion. I know I learn how people including myself think; from every argument that ensues. Long life to you mate.
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
@BingtheLizard My argument is not circular, you simply have no logical response for why it is moral to kill an Innocent man ( or God, doesn't change the argument) for the crimes of the guilty. You can dance around the question and pull out verses all day long. In the end, killing innocent men ( or animals) is simply a holdover from 2000 years ago. It is further evidence that the writers of the bible were simply bronze age sheepherders and that the bible is not "the word of god."
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@BingtheLizard ...you wrote that " your sins are paid for." No they're not....not yet, anyway. Don't you read your own Bible? Your sins are NOT paid for UNTIL you accept that Christ died in your place. Until then, you are still a sinner and bound for hell. Well, I'm sorry. It is immoral to allow an innocent man to die for you. I don't know why this is so hard for Christians to understand. I realize the only other choice is hell, but I'll go there with my conscience and my morals intact.
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@000SMITH000 Please read 2 Corinthians 5:21 before you tell me where I'm at with God. That's business between Him and I. Notice that in that verse, for Christ to be "made" sin, then there had to be a crapload of sin poured onto him as he was pure. That crapload of sin was yours and mine buddy. Where have you derived your morality from? Please share the verse(s) you've obviously found that say that it is immoral for God to make rules, to intervene with sin for us, or that we can bear our own sin.
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
So...it seems I crushed your argument about being "humble" and being "pardoned". Don't you have a response to my posting? It looks like you've decided to admit defeat and run away to another topic ( that's what most Christians do when their "logic" fails them). Now, you're talking about being a "prisoner to sin". Fine, I can play that game too. But it sure is a lot of work keeping a Christian on topic. It's like nailing jello to the wall. Whatever, here goes....
000SMITH000 8 months ago
@godfajza Please stop setting yourself up for the sin of blasphemy & demonic activty in your heart even more than it is already before its no hope. Eternity is 1 say closer for you.
Alicenotinchains 8 months ago
I have been greatly blessed by the messages God has had Paul Washer deliver. This is one of many messages that truly ministers to my heart.
mdosborn86 10 months ago
The correct answer is: "Quit seeking men as your savior" (She was seeking salvation outside of Christ). "Quit crying to God to save you. He already has." (She was ignorant of what Christ already accomplished.) Make him the Lord of your life instead of yourself. Jesus never said, "Ask me to come into your life". All He asks is for you to make him your Lord by following his ways..That' has to be your decsison, not his - so quit asking him to do it. Only then will your life ever change.
moogandfender 10 months ago
The problem is, like i have done in the past, so many people go around saying that they are saved because they got all emotional in one service and felt guilty and asked God to come into their lives, Not really meaning it and carrying on in their old ways, true salvation comes when one has actually come to the realisation of the importance of what Yeshua has done for them and through that realisation they become humble and ask Yeshua into their lives
infinitechamp3000 10 months ago
@infinitechamp3000 Slavation comes when Jesus sits on the throne of judement and says enter heaven, before that you must "work out you salvation with fear and trembling". Until one is sactified by grace and recieves "slavation through sanctification" (which rarley happens on earth) one must continue to remain in grace so that one might recieve "grace for grace" and become sanctified.
gtepp031387 9 months ago
this girl had been saved 6 times but continued walking in the worlds way so she said enough is enough, she decided that she wanted to be saved and asked Paul how can she be saved and he basically told her to seek the face of God until she knows she has been saved by God
infinitechamp3000 10 months ago
I Believe that a true Hunger and crying out for God is Evidence that she is Saved
We Are Saved by Faith and not feelings
johnholby 10 months ago
@icemario87 what you say is not biblical at all. Not even close.
baile2011 10 months ago
Being "saved" is a decision in your mind. The woman he describes was being honest with herself: she could not hear the voice of god. As most of us cannot. People like Paul made the decision to be "saved" and then asked themselves "what do I do now?" This woman, however, made the decision to WANT to be saved and never moved beyond this point. God cannot "save" her, only she can. Only she can decide to be "saved" and move forward.
Confidence in salvation creates salvation.
Icemario87 11 months ago
@Icemario87 absolutely unbiblical.
Friplo 11 months ago
@Icemario87 Absolutely unbiblical.
Friplo 11 months ago
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@Friplo "Absolutely unbiblical."
Deliberately so.
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1216saab 11 months ago
I was saved 10+ times and EVERY time I cried and was (from what I saw) more honest to "god" and sincere about being saved than any of the others being saved and I cared so much about my religion I did neverending research (started about 4 years ago) on it which led me to be an Agnostic. I suppose I'm more Agnostic Atheist but just because god doesn't seem very nice and follow religion that doesn't mean it even has to care about us at all it may still exist and so I call myself Agnostic alone.
pokeshmon 11 months ago
@pokeshmon ::: Your problem is the bible. Bart Ehrman, bible scholar, concluded that the bible was the word of man, not the word of God. Forget the whole Christianity bit, just be concerned about the Creator alone. Treat others well, follow the Golden Rule. Download "Life in the World Unseen" (free) for a more intelligent look at the future life.
k0smon 11 months ago
I had the born again experience once and it lasted for several years. Now its gone and I cant get it back.
1216saab 11 months ago
@1216saab
You can have that experience again. Cry out to God, get into a meaningful prayer relationship with him and ask the Holy Spirit for a new outpouring of himself in you. God has not changed, you have, but he wants you back!
05005560 11 months ago
@05005560 tried that 100 times at least
1216saab 11 months ago
@1216saab ::: It was an emotional experience. You don't need to be concerned about it. Treat others well, follow the Golden Rule, and God will be satisfied with your life. Biblical theology sucks.
k0smon 11 months ago
@k0smon No ,you are wrong. It was real and anything outside of following the will of God only brings despair. If you live a life full of sin,God will not speak to your heart.
1216saab 11 months ago
I never found that God had a will for my life. He let me have perfect freedom, and when I chose too much 'faith', I regretted it. I needed more common sense. If Christianity is not working for you, get rid of it. Chose spirituality over religion. It has been many years now that I recognized Christianity to be just another religion and not true in fact, and I would never go back.
k0smon 11 months ago
@k0smon So what does that all mean? Live and do whatever you want? having a personal relationship with God through Jesus is not a religion anyway.Christianity means believing in Christ! (hence the name Christianity). It means living an obedient life to God.Spirituality does nothing but exalt the person and not Jesus Christ! Jesus said that he was the only way to God and heaven. Just get rid of that? Not today... sorry!
1216saab 11 months ago
@1216saab The problem is the 'personal relationship' business. Your 'relationship' is with a 'word picture', not a real person. Just emotions. You can live the same kind of life, spiritually, without the hocus pocus of a Jesus.
God is : that is sufficient. You can come to the Father because He is everywhere present, and needs no middle men to intercede for you. Get into 'new thought', because the old thought (Christianity) is not working for you. Don't be sad, be glad. The old ways are gone.
k0smon 11 months ago
@k0smon maybe you haven't had real experiences with God doing miraculous things in your life. And.. you fail to understand the awesome love of God by sending Christ to die for you. Jesus is in spirit and he will come into your life and in a very personal way.You need to repent of sins and self pride to receive him.Jesus and God are one if you ever read the Bible.The Bible is still true today as it was over 2000 years ago. Im only sad if I try to rationalize human intellect It offers nothing.
1216saab 11 months ago
@1216saab God did not institute Christianity, it is just one of man's many religions. Nobody needs to die for me, I just need to learn how to live. That whole scenario of sacrifice and redemption is all part of the act. The old ways no longer work for you. God is giving you the opportunity to find something that does. Fear not. Seek, and ye shall find. Find the simple reality of spirituality, unencumbered by earthly religions.
k0smon 11 months ago
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1216saab 11 months ago
@1216saab If you wish to hang on to Christianity so desperately, then don't complain about it. Plumb it depths until you find out how shallow it really is. Live your life as unto the Father, and you will come out OK. Blessings!
k0smon 11 months ago