The Borg may talk about order and perfection but what they really try to do is conquer. That is... "what they want." So instead of sloppily destroying the Borg, the Shadows would find away to use this ambition for their own ends.
Often times Shadows will wheel and deal BEFORE resorting to open conflict. They do this to see who they can corrupt and who they can manipulate. This happened with the Centauri government and the Earth government. Sort of like placing all your pieces in the right spots on the board before striking. They're sneaky that way.
I believe the shadows would try to wipe out the borg seeing them as a higher form of forced order evovled..The idiological conflict would make them paranoid and they'd see them as an affront to there ideals and a very real threat to those ideals. THe shadow beam weaponry cuts through very quickly..THe shadows are sneakier, dirtier, older, more experienced and has alliances. Even playing field I'd say the Shadows. Unless the ideal coin flips the other way.. maybe letting the borg be fits..?
@Hereticalable Za'Hadum was just their stronghold, not their homeworld. Given how long the Shadows have been a space fairing species, its really quite possible that their original homeworld is long gone
@SCIFIguy64 highly unlikely that Borg will get shadow tech. If they come in contact with shadow tech, they'll all be killed instantly. Go ahead and touch a shadow vessel... I bet they all die.
The Borg had problems with species 8472 which were organic, but they should be able to assimilate shadow ships, because they are merged with Humanoids that can be connected to any tech and a Borg drone would fit that description nicely.
Since both sides like to use other tech it wouldn’t matter who wins, they would combine the tech, because it would make them stronger. (Shadows used Telepaths to get an edge so why don’t use a collective that adapts to everything)
oh my god...we all have seen what organic ships can do to a borg cube..
fighting against the shadows would be absoluteley futile..
the dont have phasers..or torpedos no they have their slicer beams..which would rip the cubes apart like nothing..and even if the Borg would manage to destroy a few battlecrabs..the have thousands..+reinforcements like the dark planetkillercloud..
You know, as a Whovian, my standard comment on a video like this is to say "lets throw in the Daleks". But since I always say that, lets throw in.... WEEPING ANGELS! 4 on each ship :)
Borg would totally kick shadow butt.....however...the shadows would probably win the first few battles but soon the borg would adapt and defeat the shadows.
@pardusian141 For the last time, Borg adapt to phasers. PHASERS. and torpedoes.You have know way of knowing if the Borg would be able to adapt to Shadow Weapons.
bullshit - shadow ships are much too big - have a look at the peisodes showing the shadow shipoperated by one man and how big it is and for example enterprise is a shuttle comparing to a borg cube.On this video shadow ship is almost the same size as cube .... shadows would get assimilated ....
@iwar666 Shadow ship sizes varies. Some are small and some are very big. A shadow death ray could cut a small moon/planetoid in half in just a few minutes. Size does not matter to the shadows. Shadow bio tech could assimilate robotic tech. Many people don't even know this.
@iwar666 as quantumnova said the shadow ships are not made to a size, they are organic and can grow. When some turn up at B5 in 1 episode they look much bigger, and some visual references from the show would put them at close to 2km across.
@zebadee277 ok borg ship has 3 km ...but a few shots from shadows and entire borg fleet would adapt to the frequency and that would be the end of shadows.
@iwar666 your assuming that the shadow ship use weapons based on a frequency.. the shadow and vorlon ship use some form of hyperspace tap as there main power source and that could mean they have the ability to access unlimited levels of power and pure energy.
@iwar666 The idea of star trek that all energy weapons run on frequency such as current radiation based weapons and that being able to block such weapons just by adjusting frequency like tuning in a radio is just a bit silly, also doesn't lend much to defending against kinetic weapons..
Borg would win. I remember hearing Ivanova saying there was a 100megawatt plasma cannon in the B5 hanger bay. Now... it takes 900megawatts to down a Danube runabout and 400gigawatts to take a Galaxy's shields offline. Need I say more?
The shadows raping borg cubes as if they've dealt with shields and subspace fields all the time. Or that they've ever dealt with ships of that size. No the borg should win by strength alone even if they couldn't assimilate Shadow tech. But it would still be an incredible fight.
You do realize that the shadows were not a true fighting force. They needed others to do their fighting for lack of numbers.
Brog can't adapt to a molecular slicer beam, sorry. The energy output on a shadow death-ray may exceed the entire power output of a Borg cube. Even if they adapt the cube would be overloaded by sheer energy. Molecular weapons destroy atoms. No metallic armor could defend against these weapons. Vorlon bio armor took heavy damage from shadow weapons too.
What you fail to know is the borg analyze and adapt .. Their weapons may work on the borg for a few moments after that they adapt to their weapons and the shadows would like the billions and millions of races join the borg ... That is what makes the borg so deadly.. They have shields they just use them after they adapt , and once that happens it's lights out for the Century champs .. "
are the borg losing as dead cargo again no energy or shields and being suprise attacked seen borg wins universe when sequel and gets revenge for attacked with no shirlds or deflectors due to lack of antimatter enrgy pruple and blue not green plasma vesper!
@Xonx68 Borg Have No Energy or Shield, due to having to much power hungry flux capacitator's!
Borg Auxilary Deflector Shields don't count as anything only thruster shields to move impulse forward or backward! Good Humanoid Race to Scrim Vs. Klingon Predator Race who don't retreat! Remulus Schmitar starting a political war between the federation and takeda klingon! Undiscovered romulus &remulus is to blame! Too Much Starcraft meets Star Trek & Warcraft III! See M.O.O. II or Star Control3?
Those Borg ships were pretty much defenseless and ineffective. Too bad they didn't have some sort of force field, or a way to adapt to those beam weapons.
@name887 I know what you mean. While the Shadows screwed around with all the younger races and got them to fight each other, they never assimilated entire races and obliterated their cultures.....
The only reason why they couldn't adapt was because their nanaprobes were being destroyed in species 8472 cells so the borg couldn't learn about them. They had no information to adapt with. What they can't learn they can't understand.
But if they had the ability to collect information on their biology they would have adapted to species 8472. Borg Nanaprobes are known to penetrate any known barrier or energy field.
So, the Borg had less ability to collect information than Voyager and a holographic doctor?
No, they had the ability but lacked the creativity to think of the idea.
If they can't assimilate what they need then they are screwed. This is demonstrated by the reaction of the Borg to Voyager's threat to destroy the information on the bioweapon if the Borg attempted to seize it through assimilation. The Borg negotiated.
They just have different means of achieving it. Assimilation is far superior in almost all cases than investigation. While investigation is time consuming, you understand your target instantly if you assimilate them. That wouldn't be the same situation with these shadows.
Yes and the Borg were faced with a scenario in which they could not assimilate the target in species 8472.
As for the Shadows, the problem the Borg face is different. The Shadows tend to stay hidden only striking openly when it suits them, would the Borg notice the Shadows? Or would the Shadows infiltrate and subvert the Borg first? We know that the Shadows are more than familiar with cybernetics and that the Borg are vulnerable to hacking and infiltration.
@Tenebrous76 You mean like the way Seven of nines parents tried to subvert the borg by using a personal field that shielded them from their sensors. That worked out well. The borg are familiar with loads of cloaking devices. The shadows would probably infiltrate the borg first as the borg won't attack until they think you a threat. The borg are only vulnerable to cybernetic attack if you can make it to the heavily shielded central plexsis that you literally have to pass through forcefields for.
@Tenebrous76 They didn't really plant any virus in the borg with TNG. The borg are already aware of cloaking devices that phase into other dimensions.Don't you remember 7 of 9. Her ocular implant could see a cloaked weapon that was phased into a different time frame from the 29th century. And she commented that they've encountered species from other spatial dimensions, not to mention other realities. I'd say the borg would have adapted to cyber hacking like tng by upping security of lower sys.
Even the 29th century would be a poor comparison to the Shadows, a species that had developed its stealth tech over several thousand years if not longer.
Yes the Borg have encountered many species but we still know little of the outcomes of those encounters.
As for the cyber hacking, the Borg are still only reacting to detected threats, but if the hacking interfered with their ability to perceive the threat?
@Tenebrous76 Wait, how do you know how advanced the shadows are? Just because apparently they've been spacefaring for 7,000 years or more doesn't mean that they are 7,000 years more advanced. Sine the borg assimilate their technology from multiple races who've been around for multiple time periods, they would assimilate technology from the federation which is 200 years old or the Suarians for example, who have been around for tens of millions of years. Theres no linear relationship.
The Shadows are described as the eldest of the old races. So I think even 7000 years is understating it.
The Shadows exist as a natural hive mind akin to insects and demonstrated advances cybernetics and bioengineering technologies among others.
The Borg are what we've seen and nothing they demonstrated indicated that they'd fare particularly well against the Shadows. Hell, the Shadows would probably use proxy/slave races to do most of the up front fighting.
@Tenebrous76 THE SHADOWS ARE NOT THE OLDEST. have u seen the b5 series (all of it) it says the first ones where first than the vorlons cam at the same time. the first ones left to go to some other places.but some stayed to watch over the shadows / vorlons. whith stayed to nuture the youngest races (humans,narn,ceintari,etc) so ya they are not the oldest..............ty for reading this
Don't the Borg Have NeoVibranium Exoskeletons & Repairable Laconian Space Armour? is the secret to the Borg that Laconian space armour is a stronger compound magnetically than NeoVibranium and keeps them from being teleported from a borg cube? Aren't they the World's largest Capacitator & Mobile Shipyard in the Star Trek Universe?
Whose more technologically advanced the Borg or the Strogg with Rail guns-Pulsar Hyper Blasters-AntiMatter Energy Cannons? Strogg have an orange strontium metal?
@dinosaurssayni Some people comment just because you are sore at Babylon 5's combat similarites to DS9. Who says the Borg's "cyber shoplifting" would not yield some useful tech? If you want to get mean, Shadows aren't that amazing: they just look wierd and have exactly one ray gun.
@1984making I don't think the Shadows are anything like the Borg. The Shadows remain hidden as long as possible and keep on quietly infiltrating with helpers and making alliances with others. The Borg face you head on, and their only alliance with anyone was with Janeway to defeat Species 8472. The Shadows mean to destruct anything and use other people as marionettes, the Borg let anyone choose to become either one of them or die. The Borg are cyborgs, the Shadows are an ancient organic race.
@borizb Actually The Shadows are energy like the Vorlons, This is from JMS himself. The borg are a very very young race compared to the shadows and other first ones, younger then even the Kirishiac Lords.
The only reason the Borg did not get their ass beaten by species 8472 is because Voyager use bio weapon on 8472 asses. Species 8472 are similar to the shadows because species ships are made of some type of organic matter. The Vorlons and the Shadows were just plain mean while the Borg were just plain cruel.
@boinicle true...but when they say: We are the borg, we sux and we lose cause we are retardet....you got no reason to surrend and we will on 99,99% lose this fight....rezistence is recommendet.... ?:D....i rly like them more as deadly menace:)
WTF?! BORG DEFEATED BTW WHERES THE ADAPTATION MODE?!! BLEH NVM I SHOULD PREFER PROMETHEUS VS SHADOWS I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HECK THEY CAN STOP PROMY PROMY JUST USES MVAM ABLATIVE ARMOR THEN KABOOM HERE COMES PHOTON QUANTUM AMD TYPE XII
good little " what wold happen video". my favrite little background thing i notice is, that you made the shadows just keep fighting no break, thats what i like about the shadows, they dont stop until they get what they want (witch is war anf most other things
Oddly enough, I was rooting for the Shadows. Why? Because though the Shadows promote Social Darwinism and go around starting wars and getting untold numbers of innocent people killed, at least they don't want to turn everyone into mindless drones controlled by a hive mind.
Having said that, the Shadows DO stick people into shadow vessels which fucks up their minds even when they're taken out of them......
@sgal88 The Shadows are an ancient race from the series Babylon 5, the ships are completely organic. If I remember right, they were one of the first races to arise in our galaxy after its formation. (Note: Not the first)
They do have a penchant for using their beam weapon to carve up ships like a roast.
The truly frightening idea, would be what would the Borg do with their technology. Earth Force made some pretty mean ships, out of the combination with little imagination...
@sgal88 Shadows are form the show Babylon 5 and I think their ships were first seen in Season 1 Episode 13. Much as the Borg were the big bads of the Star Trek Universe the Shadows ere the Big Bads for Babylon 5
@notablegoat Somehow I seriously doubt this claim, reading up on them, the Daleks are a created race really. Sure they've got some good firepower and other tech. But the Shadows are millenia old.
@KaneinEncanto Somehow I seriously doubt you did very much reading on the Daleks. Here are some facts about Time-War Daleks (the Daleks from the show are severely weakend Time-War Daleks, because they were all by destroyed by the Doctor.)
1. Time-War era Dalek ships each possess the firepower to "crack a planet like an egg".
2. The Dalek's fought the Timelords and nearly brought them to extinction. Timelords, in the DW mythos, were the first sentient race ever, and were essentially gods.
@KaneinEncanto (continued) The Daleks nearly destroyed them, and the only way they were stopped was to erase them from existance. Of course, they soon recovered from that.
3. Daleks have Time-Travel tech that rivals that of the Timelords. If the war with the shadows was proving difficult, the Daleks could go back in time and stop the shadows from ever existing. This would create a paradox, but Daleks possess the technology to sustain paradoxes.
@KaneinEncanto (continued) weapons that age targets millions of years, weapons that open up rifts in time and black holes inside the targeted ship, weapons that erase targets from existance, and all other sorts of horrors we don't know about. Time-War era Dalek shields could withstand all this. At their worst, a weakend Dalek Saucer has enough firepower to alter the shape of continent in one shot.
4. the reality bomb. A bomb that completely destroys every universe and leaves only the daleks.
Either you're a Dalek fanboy full of it, or the article there needs a few metric tons of editing.
"a fictional extraterrestrial race of mutants from the British science fiction television series Doctor Who. Within the series, Daleks are cyborgs from the planet Skaro, created by the scientist Davros during the final years of a thousand-year war against the Thals"
You have a link to more accurate, cannon, reading?
@KaneinEncanto If i could send you the books, I would. And for the record, I'm no Dalek fan. Very few of the episodes they appear in result in good storytelling, they're way to overpowered. That was the point of my original comment, Daleks are no fun because they're way to powerful. I'm a cybermen fan myself :D
The planet cracking, continent mutilating, time travel, crazy shields and reality bomb are all in the show. So is the Dalek defeat of the Timelords, who were, as I side, essentially gods (they altered reality to keep magic from ever existing). The crazy, time-war era weapons have not appeared in the Show (as they were destroyed) but have been discussed by the writers of the show. Daleks are waaaay to powerful, which is awesome, but only the Doctor can stop them. Which sucks for crossovers.
Remember that the Borg adapting to anything is a no-limits fallacy. True, they may be able to adapt to an infinite range of weapon, but not the amounts of energy delivered, which is why species 8472 weapon seemed to work time and again, and they were only small craft. The Shadows and Vorlons weapon output is colossal, able to melt down through the crust of planets in seconds, as shown in an attack on a Narn colony. That doesn't even allow for the planet killers.
i don't think the borg can be that easily defeted. they can adapt as well as hell their ships. if a part break off it will be regenerated and formed into a whole again. kinda like a hydra. if you cut off it's head it will form another
@mojohookbarb if that where the caee than how is the federation stil lable to holt them off if hte borg coult always regenerate like a hydra nah i think there limits where shown at the point where species 8472 entert the series
@xxXLonewolf87Xxx in one of the next generation series where the federation fights the borg. it shows the ship somehow repairing itself. wish i could remember what episode it was
@mojohookbarb well i know what u mean i saw that ep to but if look later the ships of the borg somehow lost that ability dont know why but evrytiem there fight the ships off the borg coult not repair themselfs again maybe do to the bedder weapons off the federation there butagaints the shadow weapons wich i thing a also as powerful as the one os spezies 8472 no chance well actually that thinking given a fight betwen those two woult be interisting dontu agre shadow vs 8472 bioship vs bioship
@mojohookbarb The episode you are referring to is "Q Who" its a nice ability but if I recall the episode correctly it took a bit of time for the Cube to regenerate itself. How ever the Shadows have no such compunction to allow them to sit about for any length of time and regenerate. If they have the opportunity to destroy a cube they will do so with out hesitation.
The Borg can only adapt to what they can assimilate. The Shadows have evolved past the need for physical bodies (Like the Vorlons) As for why they fight? well Borg assimlating everyone would bring an end to conflict and war, which the Shaodws worship
You people watch way too much T.V and base everything you know on what you saw in an episode. Statistically the only reason the Borg blow up in star trek is so we can have another episode. Star Wars , Babylon , Stargate , take your pick; they might get one or two cubes and then it would be over and the Borg would take another species. I also wonder why everyone thinks star trek ships are so small, a romulan warbird alone is over 1km long , an imperial star destroyer is 1.5...
@memorialembers If the writer used the concept of the Borg to its fullest degree, there'd be no show at all, I agree. The fact that they have so many ships and send just ONE to assimilate Earth either shows that the writers want more entertainment, or that the Borg, despite their collective intelligence, are incredibly stupid. Sending TWO at once would probably get the job done. Sending any more (and they had many to spare) would have made resistance unavoidably futile.
@Spectreofwar there where reasons why species 8472 was an exception, and as stated in the series, it was the first time in a few thousand years and endless encounters with different species, that the borg were pushed back that far.
The Borg have come close to being potentially wiped out by the Federation alone, even back in TNG when they were a ligimate threat. They're routinely outsmarted by the Federation, they wouldn't stand a chance against one of the first races born who are millions of years old and are essentially masters of chaos and war. The Shadows would wipe them out of existence without a second thought, and would probably take out a few other races just for fun.
@alienhddna I would LOVE to see the Borg take apart the Death Star. Or the Shadows take apart the Death Star. Or maybe they can both pitch in and blow it up.
If Janeway can upset the Borg trranswarp network, there isn't much chance of them beating a race that have had transwarp since humanity resembled lemurs.
@kitchenaut Some people comment just because they are sore at Babylon 5's combat similarites to DS9. Who says the Borg would not have some more useful tech? If you want to get mean, Shadows aren't that amazing: they just look wierd and have exactly one ray gun.
@Carandini About your earlier comment: The Shadows are not cybernetic, so "Transwarp networks" don't exist for them. The only surefire way to beat borg is to send them "bad signals". Also, Janeway was a main character of ST: Voyager: the sho remembered for down-playing borg tech. You should have seen the episode "Q-Who?" instead. The Borg only need one gun as well, they never used more than that in the old days, before Trek copied Bab5, and others. They are also not warlike. They are scientists.
The Shadows are to the Borg as the Borg are to the Min-fucking-takans.
The Shadows, being millions of years old, would've seen the Borg developing, and manipulated their evolution so that they could serve. A few logical paradox codes whould send the entire collective into a coma trying to find a solution.
That's how the shadows win; the space battles are just distraction.
The Shadows would destroy the BORG in an instant... We cant forget that Borgs almost got annihilated by a A race that had Organic Ships similar to the shadows, when you add the superior technology and age the Borg would be left defenseless. Same with the Vorlons, their ships had massive power. in an all out war The Borg have no chance, faster/more powerful ships/ super weapons/ many types of planet destroyers Vs Limited Borg tech
One thing that isn't taken into account is the Borg's ability to quickly adapt to the attacks of an opponent. The Shadows may have gotten one, maybe two cubes, but then the Borg would have adapted, and started to assimulate shadowships...
@Tenebrous76 the borg were screwed up in voyager.thy r supposed 2 be the ultimate creatures in startrek 2 the point where all other species and ships would have 2 join 4ces 2 destroy them but they messed them up cuz voyager HAD 2 get home.the borg r supposed 2 have shields but rarely use them cuz they can absorb the energy directed at them 2 power there own systems and if its 2 much redirect back at the attack.species 8472 wouldnt have beat the original tng borgs.
On the contrary. 8472 was powerful and agressive, overwhelming the borg before they could adapt. The sheer ferocity with which they assaulted the Borg put the Borg on the back foot. Hundreds of cubes and even whole planets wiped out. 8472's very imune system didn't just destroy the Borg assimilation probes but travelled back up the assimilation tubules to attack the drone on a cellular level.
@Tenebrous76 the borg r fast.they were screwed over in voyager and made much weaker in voyager 2 make sure voyager got home safely.the true borg adapt 2 everything as they r masters of technology.u r right about the cells killing the borg but thats cuz they were weakened.normally they encounter a problem and devise solutions using every1 in the collective.instead in voyager they had a queen making all the decisions.the queen was 1 of the many things that went wrong with the borg.
@Tenebrous76 they didnt consider them a threat and yes they got hacked but they only were able 2 do that cuz they had picard with them.the borg wanted 2 assimilate earth and spread from there so they wouldnt bother with inferiour ships.they barely stopped the borg and that was just 1 cube.if there had been just 1 more they woulda been assimilated.also i think it was plot devices that keeps the borg from swarming cuz thats basic bug behavior and they r modelled after bugs.
All of which goes to show the weaknesses of the Borg as I alluded to in my original post.
Now against a species like the Shadows..... Would the Borg even notice cloaked Shadows moving among them? Accessing, hacking and changing their very nature from within? Any battles would be isolated incidents, several crabs vs lone cubes and Shadows would be jamming any signals from the cube. But the real fight would be hidden in the dark and the Borg would lose before they even knew
@Tenebrous76 i doubt they'd go unnoticed.the collective knew there cube was hacked and blew it up themselves.the borg were totally messed up anyways as they shoulda swarmed any1 who got in.
The borg only noticed because the cube shutdown at an inappropriate time.
The fact is that the borg are flawed even in the original STNG episodes.
"they shoulda swarmed any1 who got in."
Except that the borg prioritise tasks and non-threats are ranked pretty low, also from the original STNG episodes. But even in the insect world there are species of spider that mimic ants so well that the spider can move among them picking off stray ones for a quick meal.
@Tenebrous76 thats cuz it mimics them and SMELLS like them.i dont get y they didnt they r threats since they r there and any presence is interfering with normal operations.
You're not helping your case. If the Borg didn't react promptly to SF people running about with visible weapons then why would they even notice cloaked Shadows skulking about?
I think that Shadows would subvert the Borg long before the Borg were even aware of them. The Borg would become just another tool for the Shadows.
@Tenebrous76 they didnt cuz scifi shows r meant 2 make humans unbeatable and if they get killed by the borg or swarmed the moment they enter the ship it wouldnt work out so they make the enemies do stupid things.they'd know the moment they were actually hacked but till then they'd multitask as it is most efficiant.
So, recap. I point out that the Borg got owned by 8472 in Voyager. You said that the STNG Borg were more awesome than in Voyager but then upon having it pointed out that this wasn't the case you are now saying that should've been better because.... why? Sorry but the Borg are not perfect. Nothing is. Concepts of strength and weakness are relative and nothing is unbeatable.
@Tenebrous76 i know that but the borg in tng realized what happened when they got hacked instantly.theyd know if they got hacked and probly have new defenses and they wouldnt allow there primary goals 2 be changed cuz they'd know if they were cuz of all the memory they have.
@Tenebrous76 idk anything about the shadows.what do they do?also i'm very tired and have a horrible memory so some things may be off but i'm pretty sure they noticed be4 the cube shut down and that was y they stopped at all.
@MadMichigander1313: Shadow bio armor can also adapt, much like vorlon one or that of a white star. Its organic nature is capable of "evolution" - in few battles, they would have deflected some 80% of the borg weapon's energy back into space. Not to mention shadow ships can make themselves invilnerable for about 10 seconds by phasing in the middle between hyperspace and normal space, not to mention quickly phasing in and out of hyperspace itself. IMHO the borg would get served.
@ilania95 All organic material immediately die when coming in contact with a shadow vessel's outer shell. It's made of an unknown matter that kills organic matter instantly. All the shadows need to do is phase a battlecrab into the middle of a Borg facility and....there'd be nothing but silence in seconds.
the borg would have adapted and raised sheilds, the shadows used Bio ships, much like the Vorlons, all it would have taken is one stab from a borg and we would have a shadow / borg ship.
and it was species 8472 not 8572 that gave them a run for the money.
Species 84whatever was essentially a weaker ripoff of the Shadows.
If that species gave them a run for their money, then the Shadows (to whom those ships are actually just toys, they have some much more powerful things like the Death Cloud) would demolish the Borg.
Plus Borg Drones vs Shadows themselves? Curbstomp. Shadows can phase out of reality and kill Vorlons, who are immensely powerful energy beings. Borg Drones would be torn apart easily.
Now sure, I'll buy that the Borg are powerful enough to destroy a few battlecrabs. But if it was a serious fight the death cloud comes and simply sucks out all energy from the cubes. No more adaptive shields then! And then they can eat a bunch of missiles powerful enough to destroy entire planets. (And Borg suck against kinetic weaponry!)
Actually for that matter... given that the Borg are portrayed as only adapting to energy weapons, I never got why Star Fleet didn't just mount some magnetic railguns on their ships. They have the tech for that. And it seems to work better then constantly resetting beam frequencies.
Although speaking of resetting beamfrequencies. I wouldn't be surprised if the Shadow's living ships can do that very easily. Which would negate those adaptive shields.
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B5 looks super powerful because their ships DO NOT HAVE SHIELDS. The Borg would quickly adapt to the Shadows' weapons and defenses and just rip them up. Even it took till the Borg was run down to one ship, once they adapt, one Borg Cube is more than enough to facilitate the assimilation of an entire civilization. Only Species 8472 has proven capable of beating the Borg outright.
@DocWolph If you knew anything about the Borg then you would know they can only beat species that they can assimilate. Hense why they couldn't beat Species 8472 without Voyagers help. Now the Shadows are an evolved species beyond phyiscal relm. Close to just pure energy. The borg couldn't defeat their vessels and couldn't possibly hurt the shadow begins.
@Zorolord Your statement assumes that the Borg won't act to defend itself. Understand that the Borg is super adaptive, solving problems to further their goals. Defeating or destroying the Shadows would be child's play for them. Disrupt their patterns and flows, consume or disperse their energy, and move on. Remember the Borg were nerfed hard because they really are utterly invincible.
Even pre-nerfing Borg would I think lose to the Shadows. Those battlecrabs are nothing. The Borg probably actually could destroy a few, but that doesn't matter at all. The Shadows have things like that energy draining planet-destroying deathcloud too.
Assimiiation would also fail utterly, Shadow bio-tech is way ahead of anything the Borg displayed.
And timetravel? (Which the Borg did) Well that could be done with the Great Machine, so the Shadows almost certainly could do that too.
The shadow battlecrabs really where just toys to the Shadows. Unimportant tools (not even piloted by Shadows themselves) used to push their ideology on lesser species. They have much more fearsome weapons.
Now Star Trek humans vs. B5 humans is another matter. (Federation tech seems alot more advanced.)
But I think the First Ones would be a bit to much for the Borg. Even the TNG ones.
The Borg would have adapted after about a second.
eeblihp 1 day ago
The Borg may talk about order and perfection but what they really try to do is conquer. That is... "what they want." So instead of sloppily destroying the Borg, the Shadows would find away to use this ambition for their own ends.
NearVSMello 6 days ago
Often times Shadows will wheel and deal BEFORE resorting to open conflict. They do this to see who they can corrupt and who they can manipulate. This happened with the Centauri government and the Earth government. Sort of like placing all your pieces in the right spots on the board before striking. They're sneaky that way.
NearVSMello 6 days ago
I believe the shadows would try to wipe out the borg seeing them as a higher form of forced order evovled..The idiological conflict would make them paranoid and they'd see them as an affront to there ideals and a very real threat to those ideals. THe shadow beam weaponry cuts through very quickly..THe shadows are sneakier, dirtier, older, more experienced and has alliances. Even playing field I'd say the Shadows. Unless the ideal coin flips the other way.. maybe letting the borg be fits..?
bilbobagginsk 2 weeks ago
@bilbobagginsk Borg weapons are also cutters.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
where are the Shadows from?
gabe505fly5 2 weeks ago
@gabe505fly5 Za'hadum.
Hereticalable 2 weeks ago
@Hereticalable Za'Hadum was just their stronghold, not their homeworld. Given how long the Shadows have been a space fairing species, its really quite possible that their original homeworld is long gone
weldonwin 1 week ago
No one wins. Shadows will collect Borg tech or borg will collect shadow tech.
SCIFIguy64 4 weeks ago
@SCIFIguy64 highly unlikely that Borg will get shadow tech. If they come in contact with shadow tech, they'll all be killed instantly. Go ahead and touch a shadow vessel... I bet they all die.
QuantumNova 3 weeks ago
The Borg had problems with species 8472 which were organic, but they should be able to assimilate shadow ships, because they are merged with Humanoids that can be connected to any tech and a Borg drone would fit that description nicely.
Since both sides like to use other tech it wouldn’t matter who wins, they would combine the tech, because it would make them stronger. (Shadows used Telepaths to get an edge so why don’t use a collective that adapts to everything)
X3110s 1 month ago
What the video doesn't show is the Borg tactical cubes showing up and turning the Shadow's ships into scrap metal.
BigGreen204 1 month ago
oh my god...we all have seen what organic ships can do to a borg cube..
fighting against the shadows would be absoluteley futile..
the dont have phasers..or torpedos no they have their slicer beams..which would rip the cubes apart like nothing..and even if the Borg would manage to destroy a few battlecrabs..the have thousands..+reinforcements like the dark planetkillercloud..
damn how silly to bet on the borg in this one ;)
Spionsilver 1 month ago 2
You know, as a Whovian, my standard comment on a video like this is to say "lets throw in the Daleks". But since I always say that, lets throw in.... WEEPING ANGELS! 4 on each ship :)
notablegoat 1 month ago
Borg would totally kick shadow butt.....however...the shadows would probably win the first few battles but soon the borg would adapt and defeat the shadows.
pardusian141 1 month ago
@pardusian141 For the last time, Borg adapt to phasers. PHASERS. and torpedoes.You have know way of knowing if the Borg would be able to adapt to Shadow Weapons.
notablegoat 1 month ago
The Shadows are energy beings, so one Shadow warrior would massacre scores of Borg drones.
Nanofuture87 1 month ago
bullshit - shadow ships are much too big - have a look at the peisodes showing the shadow shipoperated by one man and how big it is and for example enterprise is a shuttle comparing to a borg cube.On this video shadow ship is almost the same size as cube .... shadows would get assimilated ....
iwar666 1 month ago
@iwar666 Shadow ship sizes varies. Some are small and some are very big. A shadow death ray could cut a small moon/planetoid in half in just a few minutes. Size does not matter to the shadows. Shadow bio tech could assimilate robotic tech. Many people don't even know this.
QuantumNova 1 month ago
@iwar666 as quantumnova said the shadow ships are not made to a size, they are organic and can grow. When some turn up at B5 in 1 episode they look much bigger, and some visual references from the show would put them at close to 2km across.
zebadee277 1 month ago
@zebadee277 ok borg ship has 3 km ...but a few shots from shadows and entire borg fleet would adapt to the frequency and that would be the end of shadows.
iwar666 1 month ago
@iwar666 your assuming that the shadow ship use weapons based on a frequency.. the shadow and vorlon ship use some form of hyperspace tap as there main power source and that could mean they have the ability to access unlimited levels of power and pure energy.
zebadee277 1 month ago
@iwar666 The idea of star trek that all energy weapons run on frequency such as current radiation based weapons and that being able to block such weapons just by adjusting frequency like tuning in a radio is just a bit silly, also doesn't lend much to defending against kinetic weapons..
zebadee277 1 month ago
Borg would win. I remember hearing Ivanova saying there was a 100megawatt plasma cannon in the B5 hanger bay. Now... it takes 900megawatts to down a Danube runabout and 400gigawatts to take a Galaxy's shields offline. Need I say more?
BMWM3GTRLOVER 1 month ago
It's an extremely biased video.
B5 music....
The shadows raping borg cubes as if they've dealt with shields and subspace fields all the time. Or that they've ever dealt with ships of that size. No the borg should win by strength alone even if they couldn't assimilate Shadow tech. But it would still be an incredible fight.
You do realize that the shadows were not a true fighting force. They needed others to do their fighting for lack of numbers.
saquist 2 months ago
how about teaming them up???? Shadows + Borg VS Vorlons + Star Fleet ????
pimpjuice739 2 months ago
The borg would outright get raped by the Shadows*
Fixed.
QuantumNova 2 months ago
The Borg would outright defeat the Shadows
Hero87 2 months ago
Brog can't adapt to a molecular slicer beam, sorry. The energy output on a shadow death-ray may exceed the entire power output of a Borg cube. Even if they adapt the cube would be overloaded by sheer energy. Molecular weapons destroy atoms. No metallic armor could defend against these weapons. Vorlon bio armor took heavy damage from shadow weapons too.
QuantumNova 2 months ago
What you fail to know is the borg analyze and adapt .. Their weapons may work on the borg for a few moments after that they adapt to their weapons and the shadows would like the billions and millions of races join the borg ... That is what makes the borg so deadly.. They have shields they just use them after they adapt , and once that happens it's lights out for the Century champs .. "
Imperialknight 2 months ago
are the borg losing as dead cargo again no energy or shields and being suprise attacked seen borg wins universe when sequel and gets revenge for attacked with no shirlds or deflectors due to lack of antimatter enrgy pruple and blue not green plasma vesper!
GeckoDude2010 3 months ago in playlist Liked
@GeckoDude2010 WHAT?!!
Xonx68 3 months ago
@Xonx68 Borg Have No Energy or Shield, due to having to much power hungry flux capacitator's!
Borg Auxilary Deflector Shields don't count as anything only thruster shields to move impulse forward or backward! Good Humanoid Race to Scrim Vs. Klingon Predator Race who don't retreat! Remulus Schmitar starting a political war between the federation and takeda klingon! Undiscovered romulus &remulus is to blame! Too Much Starcraft meets Star Trek & Warcraft III! See M.O.O. II or Star Control3?
GeckoDude2010 3 months ago
@GeckoDude2010 Uh...yeah. O.o
Xonx68 3 months ago
Those Borg ships were pretty much defenseless and ineffective. Too bad they didn't have some sort of force field, or a way to adapt to those beam weapons.
NedN00b 3 months ago
This is so weird... this video almost makes me feel like I'm rooting for shadows as the good guys....
name887 3 months ago 11
@name887 I know what you mean...
kiface1 3 months ago
@name887 I know what you mean. While the Shadows screwed around with all the younger races and got them to fight each other, they never assimilated entire races and obliterated their cultures.....
girlgarde 3 months ago
@burglaries Will if you play Genesis rising it tells you about organic ships even though the game has a 5.0 rating
makemap 3 months ago
@name887 We are the good guys!
maf3656 1 month ago
U just hold the cigar to look like an asshole. Dont actually smoke it its bad 4 yu.
dinosaurssayni 4 months ago
@dinosaurssayni I know.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
Actually the borg would win. Victory in numbers... several trillion if not more.
As for the title: Kinda like when an unstopable force meets an unmovable object hey?
PraetoriaxNL 4 months ago
im not a fan of the borg but dont they become immune to lasers and stuff after a while?
traumaticninja 4 months ago
@traumaticninja Yeah but shadows have technology that doesn't even seem to make any physical sense to us.
name887 3 months ago
0:54 the Borg cube entered a conduit....30 seconds later they emerge as rubble. "Dude, What happened to your Ship, Man?"
mrpwnedish 4 months ago
The only reason why they couldn't adapt was because their nanaprobes were being destroyed in species 8472 cells so the borg couldn't learn about them. They had no information to adapt with. What they can't learn they can't understand.
But if they had the ability to collect information on their biology they would have adapted to species 8472. Borg Nanaprobes are known to penetrate any known barrier or energy field.
SirPaFla 5 months ago
@SirPaFla
So, the Borg had less ability to collect information than Voyager and a holographic doctor?
No, they had the ability but lacked the creativity to think of the idea.
If they can't assimilate what they need then they are screwed. This is demonstrated by the reaction of the Borg to Voyager's threat to destroy the information on the bioweapon if the Borg attempted to seize it through assimilation. The Borg negotiated.
Tenebrous76 5 months ago
@Tenebrous76
They just have different means of achieving it. Assimilation is far superior in almost all cases than investigation. While investigation is time consuming, you understand your target instantly if you assimilate them. That wouldn't be the same situation with these shadows.
SirPaFla 4 months ago
@SirPaFla
Yes and the Borg were faced with a scenario in which they could not assimilate the target in species 8472.
As for the Shadows, the problem the Borg face is different. The Shadows tend to stay hidden only striking openly when it suits them, would the Borg notice the Shadows? Or would the Shadows infiltrate and subvert the Borg first? We know that the Shadows are more than familiar with cybernetics and that the Borg are vulnerable to hacking and infiltration.
Tenebrous76 4 months ago
@Tenebrous76 You mean like the way Seven of nines parents tried to subvert the borg by using a personal field that shielded them from their sensors. That worked out well. The borg are familiar with loads of cloaking devices. The shadows would probably infiltrate the borg first as the borg won't attack until they think you a threat. The borg are only vulnerable to cybernetic attack if you can make it to the heavily shielded central plexsis that you literally have to pass through forcefields for.
SirPaFla 4 months ago
@SirPaFla
Federation stealth technology is in no way comparable to that of the Shadows.
As for the cyber hacking, the STtNG crew managed just fine without even being on board the cube.
I wonder how the Borg would go against the newer version of the Cylons given their extensive use of cyber warfare.
Tenebrous76 4 months ago
@Tenebrous76 They didn't really plant any virus in the borg with TNG. The borg are already aware of cloaking devices that phase into other dimensions.Don't you remember 7 of 9. Her ocular implant could see a cloaked weapon that was phased into a different time frame from the 29th century. And she commented that they've encountered species from other spatial dimensions, not to mention other realities. I'd say the borg would have adapted to cyber hacking like tng by upping security of lower sys.
SirPaFla 4 months ago
@SirPaFla
Even the 29th century would be a poor comparison to the Shadows, a species that had developed its stealth tech over several thousand years if not longer.
Yes the Borg have encountered many species but we still know little of the outcomes of those encounters.
As for the cyber hacking, the Borg are still only reacting to detected threats, but if the hacking interfered with their ability to perceive the threat?
Tenebrous76 4 months ago
@Tenebrous76 Wait, how do you know how advanced the shadows are? Just because apparently they've been spacefaring for 7,000 years or more doesn't mean that they are 7,000 years more advanced. Sine the borg assimilate their technology from multiple races who've been around for multiple time periods, they would assimilate technology from the federation which is 200 years old or the Suarians for example, who have been around for tens of millions of years. Theres no linear relationship.
SirPaFla 4 months ago
@SirPaFla
The Shadows are described as the eldest of the old races. So I think even 7000 years is understating it.
The Shadows exist as a natural hive mind akin to insects and demonstrated advances cybernetics and bioengineering technologies among others.
The Borg are what we've seen and nothing they demonstrated indicated that they'd fare particularly well against the Shadows. Hell, the Shadows would probably use proxy/slave races to do most of the up front fighting.
Tenebrous76 4 months ago
@Tenebrous76 THE SHADOWS ARE NOT THE OLDEST. have u seen the b5 series (all of it) it says the first ones where first than the vorlons cam at the same time. the first ones left to go to some other places.but some stayed to watch over the shadows / vorlons. whith stayed to nuture the youngest races (humans,narn,ceintari,etc) so ya they are not the oldest..............ty for reading this
MrBUBBLEGUMDAVID 4 months ago
@MrBUBBLEGUMDAVID
Yes I know. After the First ones but I'm sure of the rest the Shadows were named eldest.
I could be wrong, its been a while. It might just be that the Shadows were the first to explore Hyperspace and find Lorien.
Tenebrous76 4 months ago
poor borg
Zamolxes77 5 months ago
Don't the Borg Have NeoVibranium Exoskeletons & Repairable Laconian Space Armour? is the secret to the Borg that Laconian space armour is a stronger compound magnetically than NeoVibranium and keeps them from being teleported from a borg cube? Aren't they the World's largest Capacitator & Mobile Shipyard in the Star Trek Universe?
Whose more technologically advanced the Borg or the Strogg with Rail guns-Pulsar Hyper Blasters-AntiMatter Energy Cannons? Strogg have an orange strontium metal?
GeckoDude2010 5 months ago
Shadows would kick arse. Millions of years of tech vs. a few centuries of cyber
shoplifting......
dinosaurssayni 5 months ago 22
@dinosaurssayni Some people comment just because you are sore at Babylon 5's combat similarites to DS9. Who says the Borg's "cyber shoplifting" would not yield some useful tech? If you want to get mean, Shadows aren't that amazing: they just look wierd and have exactly one ray gun.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Idazmi7 One is all you need, and a cigar.
dinosaurssayni 4 months ago
@dinosaurssayni LOL too bad they don't seem to have mouths, unless I'm mistaken...
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@dinosaurssayni You are completely, 100% correct in that assessment.
BunkerGearGal 4 months ago
@dinosaurssayni Correction: BILLIONS of years of tech.
name887 3 months ago
@1984making I don't think the Shadows are anything like the Borg. The Shadows remain hidden as long as possible and keep on quietly infiltrating with helpers and making alliances with others. The Borg face you head on, and their only alliance with anyone was with Janeway to defeat Species 8472. The Shadows mean to destruct anything and use other people as marionettes, the Borg let anyone choose to become either one of them or die. The Borg are cyborgs, the Shadows are an ancient organic race.
borizb 5 months ago
@borizb Actually The Shadows are energy like the Vorlons, This is from JMS himself. The borg are a very very young race compared to the shadows and other first ones, younger then even the Kirishiac Lords.
whitetigersb 5 months ago
@1984making TNG was there before B5, DS9 ripped off B5. Go see wikipedia for more details, guess memory alpha refers to it as well, but i'm not sure.
borizb 5 months ago
The only reason the Borg did not get their ass beaten by species 8472 is because Voyager use bio weapon on 8472 asses. Species 8472 are similar to the shadows because species ships are made of some type of organic matter. The Vorlons and the Shadows were just plain mean while the Borg were just plain cruel.
aritzheimer 5 months ago
@1984making The Borg was around since before B5 was even thought off.
boinicle 5 months ago
Hmmm nothing can stop them? from what i've seen the Borg and the Shadows win a few smaller fights but they always lose the war.
boinicle 6 months ago
@boinicle true...but when they say: We are the borg, we sux and we lose cause we are retardet....you got no reason to surrend and we will on 99,99% lose this fight....rezistence is recommendet.... ?:D....i rly like them more as deadly menace:)
Mishai87 5 months ago
WTF?! BORG DEFEATED BTW WHERES THE ADAPTATION MODE?!! BLEH NVM I SHOULD PREFER PROMETHEUS VS SHADOWS I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HECK THEY CAN STOP PROMY PROMY JUST USES MVAM ABLATIVE ARMOR THEN KABOOM HERE COMES PHOTON QUANTUM AMD TYPE XII
capstabkong 6 months ago
good try
SmokinTJ420 6 months ago
Ha ah Shadows rule
darthhateful 6 months ago
good little " what wold happen video". my favrite little background thing i notice is, that you made the shadows just keep fighting no break, thats what i like about the shadows, they dont stop until they get what they want (witch is war anf most other things
Niytiy 6 months ago
Oddly enough, I was rooting for the Shadows. Why? Because though the Shadows promote Social Darwinism and go around starting wars and getting untold numbers of innocent people killed, at least they don't want to turn everyone into mindless drones controlled by a hive mind.
Having said that, the Shadows DO stick people into shadow vessels which fucks up their minds even when they're taken out of them......
girlgarde 7 months ago
Who are the shadows? From what episode/show do they come from?
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 The Shadows are an ancient race from the series Babylon 5, the ships are completely organic. If I remember right, they were one of the first races to arise in our galaxy after its formation. (Note: Not the first)
They do have a penchant for using their beam weapon to carve up ships like a roast.
The truly frightening idea, would be what would the Borg do with their technology. Earth Force made some pretty mean ships, out of the combination with little imagination...
KaneinEncanto 7 months ago
@sgal88 Shadows are form the show Babylon 5 and I think their ships were first seen in Season 1 Episode 13. Much as the Borg were the big bads of the Star Trek Universe the Shadows ere the Big Bads for Babylon 5
ronstar1981 7 months ago
Daleks would pwn them both. Which is why, as much as love them, it's never any fun to throw Daleks into this kind of fight.
notablegoat 7 months ago
@notablegoat Somehow I seriously doubt this claim, reading up on them, the Daleks are a created race really. Sure they've got some good firepower and other tech. But the Shadows are millenia old.
KaneinEncanto 7 months ago
@KaneinEncanto Somehow I seriously doubt you did very much reading on the Daleks. Here are some facts about Time-War Daleks (the Daleks from the show are severely weakend Time-War Daleks, because they were all by destroyed by the Doctor.)
1. Time-War era Dalek ships each possess the firepower to "crack a planet like an egg".
2. The Dalek's fought the Timelords and nearly brought them to extinction. Timelords, in the DW mythos, were the first sentient race ever, and were essentially gods.
notablegoat 7 months ago
@KaneinEncanto (continued) The Daleks nearly destroyed them, and the only way they were stopped was to erase them from existance. Of course, they soon recovered from that.
3. Daleks have Time-Travel tech that rivals that of the Timelords. If the war with the shadows was proving difficult, the Daleks could go back in time and stop the shadows from ever existing. This would create a paradox, but Daleks possess the technology to sustain paradoxes.
4. Time-War era ship-to-ship weapons include
notablegoat 7 months ago
@KaneinEncanto (continued) weapons that age targets millions of years, weapons that open up rifts in time and black holes inside the targeted ship, weapons that erase targets from existance, and all other sorts of horrors we don't know about. Time-War era Dalek shields could withstand all this. At their worst, a weakend Dalek Saucer has enough firepower to alter the shape of continent in one shot.
4. the reality bomb. A bomb that completely destroys every universe and leaves only the daleks.
notablegoat 7 months ago
@notablegoat Reading mainly involved en.wikipedia org/wiki/Dalek
Either you're a Dalek fanboy full of it, or the article there needs a few metric tons of editing.
"a fictional extraterrestrial race of mutants from the British science fiction television series Doctor Who. Within the series, Daleks are cyborgs from the planet Skaro, created by the scientist Davros during the final years of a thousand-year war against the Thals"
You have a link to more accurate, cannon, reading?
KaneinEncanto 7 months ago
@KaneinEncanto If i could send you the books, I would. And for the record, I'm no Dalek fan. Very few of the episodes they appear in result in good storytelling, they're way to overpowered. That was the point of my original comment, Daleks are no fun because they're way to powerful. I'm a cybermen fan myself :D
notablegoat 7 months ago
And it should also be said that the shadows are BA and definately deserved to win this fight.
notablegoat 7 months ago
The planet cracking, continent mutilating, time travel, crazy shields and reality bomb are all in the show. So is the Dalek defeat of the Timelords, who were, as I side, essentially gods (they altered reality to keep magic from ever existing). The crazy, time-war era weapons have not appeared in the Show (as they were destroyed) but have been discussed by the writers of the show. Daleks are waaaay to powerful, which is awesome, but only the Doctor can stop them. Which sucks for crossovers.
notablegoat 7 months ago
@KaneinEncanto heres a good bit: tardis wikia com/wiki/Last_Great_Time_War. Nothing on weapons, really, but about the Time War.
notablegoat 7 months ago
the borg would adapt
BMWM3GTRLOVER 7 months ago
Remember that the Borg adapting to anything is a no-limits fallacy. True, they may be able to adapt to an infinite range of weapon, but not the amounts of energy delivered, which is why species 8472 weapon seemed to work time and again, and they were only small craft. The Shadows and Vorlons weapon output is colossal, able to melt down through the crust of planets in seconds, as shown in an attack on a Narn colony. That doesn't even allow for the planet killers.
kitchenaut 7 months ago
i don't think the borg can be that easily defeted. they can adapt as well as hell their ships. if a part break off it will be regenerated and formed into a whole again. kinda like a hydra. if you cut off it's head it will form another
mojohookbarb 8 months ago
@mojohookbarb did you see that the borg ship that got cut in 3 pieces didnt even draw fire for one second?
Buemmo 7 months ago
@mojohookbarb if that where the caee than how is the federation stil lable to holt them off if hte borg coult always regenerate like a hydra nah i think there limits where shown at the point where species 8472 entert the series
xxXLonewolf87Xxx 7 months ago
@xxXLonewolf87Xxx in one of the next generation series where the federation fights the borg. it shows the ship somehow repairing itself. wish i could remember what episode it was
mojohookbarb 7 months ago
@mojohookbarb well i know what u mean i saw that ep to but if look later the ships of the borg somehow lost that ability dont know why but evrytiem there fight the ships off the borg coult not repair themselfs again maybe do to the bedder weapons off the federation there butagaints the shadow weapons wich i thing a also as powerful as the one os spezies 8472 no chance well actually that thinking given a fight betwen those two woult be interisting dontu agre shadow vs 8472 bioship vs bioship
xxXLonewolf87Xxx 7 months ago
@mojohookbarb The episode you are referring to is "Q Who" its a nice ability but if I recall the episode correctly it took a bit of time for the Cube to regenerate itself. How ever the Shadows have no such compunction to allow them to sit about for any length of time and regenerate. If they have the opportunity to destroy a cube they will do so with out hesitation.
ronstar1981 7 months ago
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boinicle 6 months ago
What software did you use to make this?
VocalIntuition 8 months ago
make it even tougher. plop the shadows against the 8472.
anonymuswere 8 months ago
can the borg cubes themselves adapt too?
ninjacon64 8 months ago
Wait. . . "Shadows vs Borg should become the geeky version of 'Pirates vs Ninjas'"?
Isn't "Pirates vs Ninjas" the geeky version of "Pirates vs NInjas"? ;)
todabrilla 8 months ago
The Borg needed 100% more Janeway.
hallis1 9 months ago
The Borg can only adapt to what they can assimilate. The Shadows have evolved past the need for physical bodies (Like the Vorlons) As for why they fight? well Borg assimlating everyone would bring an end to conflict and war, which the Shaodws worship
mattwho81 9 months ago
@mattwho81 Not exclusively. The Borg can also analyze their technology and using a collective consciousness, develop a defense.
MrBeauBurn 9 months ago
You people watch way too much T.V and base everything you know on what you saw in an episode. Statistically the only reason the Borg blow up in star trek is so we can have another episode. Star Wars , Babylon , Stargate , take your pick; they might get one or two cubes and then it would be over and the Borg would take another species. I also wonder why everyone thinks star trek ships are so small, a romulan warbird alone is over 1km long , an imperial star destroyer is 1.5...
memorialembers 9 months ago
@memorialembers If the writer used the concept of the Borg to its fullest degree, there'd be no show at all, I agree. The fact that they have so many ships and send just ONE to assimilate Earth either shows that the writers want more entertainment, or that the Borg, despite their collective intelligence, are incredibly stupid. Sending TWO at once would probably get the job done. Sending any more (and they had many to spare) would have made resistance unavoidably futile.
Spectreofwar 9 months ago
hmm, after the first or second shot, the borg would have already adapted.
danderzeth 9 months ago
@danderzeth You mean like they did to Species 8472? :P
Spectreofwar 9 months ago
@Spectreofwar there where reasons why species 8472 was an exception, and as stated in the series, it was the first time in a few thousand years and endless encounters with different species, that the borg were pushed back that far.
danderzeth 8 months ago
hmm, after the first or second shot, the borg would have already adapted.
danderzeth 9 months ago
The Borg have come close to being potentially wiped out by the Federation alone, even back in TNG when they were a ligimate threat. They're routinely outsmarted by the Federation, they wouldn't stand a chance against one of the first races born who are millions of years old and are essentially masters of chaos and war. The Shadows would wipe them out of existence without a second thought, and would probably take out a few other races just for fun.
onyx081 9 months ago
I agree that the shadows won but they wouldent have lost so many ships.
kfa888 10 months ago 4
they all do borg vs the death star
alienhddna 10 months ago
@alienhddna I would LOVE to see the Borg take apart the Death Star. Or the Shadows take apart the Death Star. Or maybe they can both pitch in and blow it up.
KenoshiAkai 9 months ago
This animation is good, idc what anyone says. Your story line might of been slightly screwed, but animation wise, AWESOME!!!!
VocalIntuition 10 months ago
If Janeway can upset the Borg trranswarp network, there isn't much chance of them beating a race that have had transwarp since humanity resembled lemurs.
kitchenaut 10 months ago 18
@kitchenaut Some people comment just because they are sore at Babylon 5's combat similarites to DS9. Who says the Borg would not have some more useful tech? If you want to get mean, Shadows aren't that amazing: they just look wierd and have exactly one ray gun.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Idazmi7 That's because they don't need a second ray gun.
Carandini 4 months ago
@Carandini About your earlier comment: The Shadows are not cybernetic, so "Transwarp networks" don't exist for them. The only surefire way to beat borg is to send them "bad signals". Also, Janeway was a main character of ST: Voyager: the sho remembered for down-playing borg tech. You should have seen the episode "Q-Who?" instead. The Borg only need one gun as well, they never used more than that in the old days, before Trek copied Bab5, and others. They are also not warlike. They are scientists.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Carandini Albiet, scientists that often kill test subjects out of over-experimentation.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
The Shadows are to the Borg as the Borg are to the Min-fucking-takans.
The Shadows, being millions of years old, would've seen the Borg developing, and manipulated their evolution so that they could serve. A few logical paradox codes whould send the entire collective into a coma trying to find a solution.
That's how the shadows win; the space battles are just distraction.
kitchenaut 10 months ago 2
The Shadows would destroy the BORG in an instant... We cant forget that Borgs almost got annihilated by a A race that had Organic Ships similar to the shadows, when you add the superior technology and age the Borg would be left defenseless. Same with the Vorlons, their ships had massive power. in an all out war The Borg have no chance, faster/more powerful ships/ super weapons/ many types of planet destroyers Vs Limited Borg tech
vigorosoPIMPJr 10 months ago
the borgs are more a tank type oppnent and the shadows are a agile/stealthy units
levitan71 11 months ago
Borg can adapt to anything they can assimilate.
densely codded beings can't be assimilated
therefore "the shadows" can be assimilated
(if they were densely codded they would resist all types of beams and viruses)
JScivlancer 11 months ago
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kitchenaut 10 months ago
species 8472 vs. the shadows. who would win? i would go with species 8472.
jamiirali1 11 months ago
@jamiirali1 Species 8472 was just a cheap rip-off of the Vorlons.
sunnchilde 10 months ago 2
The shadows would rip the borg to pieces.
newhoped 11 months ago 2
Shadows would own.
pkfighter343 11 months ago 3
Q Vs Shadow. Q FTW with a fingersnap.
willh1971 1 year ago
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kitchenaut 10 months ago
@willh1971 how about Q versus Lorien?
F0reseer 9 months ago
Well, it's hard to say...
One thing that isn't taken into account is the Borg's ability to quickly adapt to the attacks of an opponent. The Shadows may have gotten one, maybe two cubes, but then the Borg would have adapted, and started to assimulate shadowships...
MadMichigander1313 1 year ago
@MadMichigander1313
Tell that to species 8472. The Borg don't have an infinite ability to adapt to everything.
There are limits even for the Borg.
Tenebrous76 11 months ago 18
@Tenebrous76 the borg were screwed up in voyager.thy r supposed 2 be the ultimate creatures in startrek 2 the point where all other species and ships would have 2 join 4ces 2 destroy them but they messed them up cuz voyager HAD 2 get home.the borg r supposed 2 have shields but rarely use them cuz they can absorb the energy directed at them 2 power there own systems and if its 2 much redirect back at the attack.species 8472 wouldnt have beat the original tng borgs.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
On the contrary. 8472 was powerful and agressive, overwhelming the borg before they could adapt. The sheer ferocity with which they assaulted the Borg put the Borg on the back foot. Hundreds of cubes and even whole planets wiped out. 8472's very imune system didn't just destroy the Borg assimilation probes but travelled back up the assimilation tubules to attack the drone on a cellular level.
Face it the borg are too slow.
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 the borg r fast.they were screwed over in voyager and made much weaker in voyager 2 make sure voyager got home safely.the true borg adapt 2 everything as they r masters of technology.u r right about the cells killing the borg but thats cuz they were weakened.normally they encounter a problem and devise solutions using every1 in the collective.instead in voyager they had a queen making all the decisions.the queen was 1 of the many things that went wrong with the borg.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
Fast????
Have you forgotten that the Borg were defeated by being tricked into sleep mode. A cybernetic race that lives to assimilate got hacked.
Not to mention the first encounter with a single cube. Talk about taking your sweet time. Assimilate already.
All those episodes in which SF personal are running unchecked through the cube.
No the Borg are not fast. Not very bright either.
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 they didnt consider them a threat and yes they got hacked but they only were able 2 do that cuz they had picard with them.the borg wanted 2 assimilate earth and spread from there so they wouldnt bother with inferiour ships.they barely stopped the borg and that was just 1 cube.if there had been just 1 more they woulda been assimilated.also i think it was plot devices that keeps the borg from swarming cuz thats basic bug behavior and they r modelled after bugs.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
All of which goes to show the weaknesses of the Borg as I alluded to in my original post.
Now against a species like the Shadows..... Would the Borg even notice cloaked Shadows moving among them? Accessing, hacking and changing their very nature from within? Any battles would be isolated incidents, several crabs vs lone cubes and Shadows would be jamming any signals from the cube. But the real fight would be hidden in the dark and the Borg would lose before they even knew
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 i doubt they'd go unnoticed.the collective knew there cube was hacked and blew it up themselves.the borg were totally messed up anyways as they shoulda swarmed any1 who got in.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
The borg only noticed because the cube shutdown at an inappropriate time.
The fact is that the borg are flawed even in the original STNG episodes.
"they shoulda swarmed any1 who got in."
Except that the borg prioritise tasks and non-threats are ranked pretty low, also from the original STNG episodes. But even in the insect world there are species of spider that mimic ants so well that the spider can move among them picking off stray ones for a quick meal.
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 thats cuz it mimics them and SMELLS like them.i dont get y they didnt they r threats since they r there and any presence is interfering with normal operations.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
You're not helping your case. If the Borg didn't react promptly to SF people running about with visible weapons then why would they even notice cloaked Shadows skulking about?
I think that Shadows would subvert the Borg long before the Borg were even aware of them. The Borg would become just another tool for the Shadows.
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 they didnt cuz scifi shows r meant 2 make humans unbeatable and if they get killed by the borg or swarmed the moment they enter the ship it wouldnt work out so they make the enemies do stupid things.they'd know the moment they were actually hacked but till then they'd multitask as it is most efficiant.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
So, recap. I point out that the Borg got owned by 8472 in Voyager. You said that the STNG Borg were more awesome than in Voyager but then upon having it pointed out that this wasn't the case you are now saying that should've been better because.... why? Sorry but the Borg are not perfect. Nothing is. Concepts of strength and weakness are relative and nothing is unbeatable.
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 i know that but the borg in tng realized what happened when they got hacked instantly.theyd know if they got hacked and probly have new defenses and they wouldnt allow there primary goals 2 be changed cuz they'd know if they were cuz of all the memory they have.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
@hentaisexfreak4life
Yeah they notice a STNG hack AFTER it had shut down the cube.
Would they notice the far more subtle Shadows? I don't think so.
Tenebrous76 8 months ago
@Tenebrous76 idk anything about the shadows.what do they do?also i'm very tired and have a horrible memory so some things may be off but i'm pretty sure they noticed be4 the cube shut down and that was y they stopped at all.
hentaisexfreak4life 8 months ago
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SirPaFla 5 months ago
@MadMichigander1313: Shadow bio armor can also adapt, much like vorlon one or that of a white star. Its organic nature is capable of "evolution" - in few battles, they would have deflected some 80% of the borg weapon's energy back into space. Not to mention shadow ships can make themselves invilnerable for about 10 seconds by phasing in the middle between hyperspace and normal space, not to mention quickly phasing in and out of hyperspace itself. IMHO the borg would get served.
DLanger88 10 months ago
this is kinda silly. the shadows would've wiped the floor with the borg. here, two of them were destroyed.
silaku 1 year ago 3
So I guess the Shadow's use non-based-on-frequences rayguns, although the Borg could try to adapt to them. Nice explosions, anyway.
ilania95 1 year ago
@ilania95 All organic material immediately die when coming in contact with a shadow vessel's outer shell. It's made of an unknown matter that kills organic matter instantly. All the shadows need to do is phase a battlecrab into the middle of a Borg facility and....there'd be nothing but silence in seconds.
F0reseer 9 months ago
the borg would have adapted and raised sheilds, the shadows used Bio ships, much like the Vorlons, all it would have taken is one stab from a borg and we would have a shadow / borg ship.
and it was species 8472 not 8572 that gave them a run for the money.
PappyDan 1 year ago
@PappyDan
Species 84whatever was essentially a weaker ripoff of the Shadows.
If that species gave them a run for their money, then the Shadows (to whom those ships are actually just toys, they have some much more powerful things like the Death Cloud) would demolish the Borg.
Plus Borg Drones vs Shadows themselves? Curbstomp. Shadows can phase out of reality and kill Vorlons, who are immensely powerful energy beings. Borg Drones would be torn apart easily.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago 3
@Shavarnarak
Now sure, I'll buy that the Borg are powerful enough to destroy a few battlecrabs. But if it was a serious fight the death cloud comes and simply sucks out all energy from the cubes. No more adaptive shields then! And then they can eat a bunch of missiles powerful enough to destroy entire planets. (And Borg suck against kinetic weaponry!)
Shadows would have no trouble with the Borg.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago 3
@Shavarnarak
Actually for that matter... given that the Borg are portrayed as only adapting to energy weapons, I never got why Star Fleet didn't just mount some magnetic railguns on their ships. They have the tech for that. And it seems to work better then constantly resetting beam frequencies.
Although speaking of resetting beamfrequencies. I wouldn't be surprised if the Shadow's living ships can do that very easily. Which would negate those adaptive shields.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
i like the story
SOWHATIMADEIT 1 year ago
gee, we forgot about the Borg adapting to the enemy didn't we.
78starbuck 1 year ago
A war of small talent.
afterzlin 1 year ago
Those who write the weapons parameter files win. It´s fiction!
pcuimac 1 year ago
The Shallow vs. Vorlons? Epoch movie theme? Matrix theme? Final Fantasty theme?
Final Conflict theme? Ori theme in Star Gate? Notice how many shows in sciefi went religious? What is the secret source of these religious themes?
All from a secret website put up in 1988. Believe it not, the predicted Little Book, which would finally explain the mystery of God. I read it, guess what? IT DOES!
As impossible as it sounds, it does! Everything
Finally put in a book( God vs. Satan Untold Story)
samchaseblack 1 year ago
@samchaseblack bla blah
pcuimac 1 year ago
B5 looks super powerful because their ships DO NOT HAVE SHIELDS. The Borg would quickly adapt to the Shadows' weapons and defenses and just rip them up. Even it took till the Borg was run down to one ship, once they adapt, one Borg Cube is more than enough to facilitate the assimilation of an entire civilization. Only Species 8472 has proven capable of beating the Borg outright.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@DocWolph If you knew anything about the Borg then you would know they can only beat species that they can assimilate. Hense why they couldn't beat Species 8472 without Voyagers help. Now the Shadows are an evolved species beyond phyiscal relm. Close to just pure energy. The borg couldn't defeat their vessels and couldn't possibly hurt the shadow begins.
Zorolord 1 year ago
@Zorolord Your statement assumes that the Borg won't act to defend itself. Understand that the Borg is super adaptive, solving problems to further their goals. Defeating or destroying the Shadows would be child's play for them. Disrupt their patterns and flows, consume or disperse their energy, and move on. Remember the Borg were nerfed hard because they really are utterly invincible.
DocWolph 1 year ago
@DocWolph
Even pre-nerfing Borg would I think lose to the Shadows. Those battlecrabs are nothing. The Borg probably actually could destroy a few, but that doesn't matter at all. The Shadows have things like that energy draining planet-destroying deathcloud too.
Assimiiation would also fail utterly, Shadow bio-tech is way ahead of anything the Borg displayed.
And timetravel? (Which the Borg did) Well that could be done with the Great Machine, so the Shadows almost certainly could do that too.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
The shadow battlecrabs really where just toys to the Shadows. Unimportant tools (not even piloted by Shadows themselves) used to push their ideology on lesser species. They have much more fearsome weapons.
Now Star Trek humans vs. B5 humans is another matter. (Federation tech seems alot more advanced.)
But I think the First Ones would be a bit to much for the Borg. Even the TNG ones.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago 3