What is funny is that I thought you were going to do the story of David and Bathsheba where David killed her husband so he could sleep with her. To punish David, god killed his son but left him as a king and still bangin Bathsheba. Now that is justice!
@wbharkins teachings that can help you? Serious? Hmmm, I really want to marry that woman.
Real man- I'll try and court her, impress her, show her why I'm a good mate, give her reasons to be attracted to me, be kind, friendly, smart, thoughtful, loving, giving and show her I'm a good man.
Bible- Rape her, give her father $50 silver pieces.
"This worked out well. Killing 70,000 innocent people while leaving King David unharmed will teach him not to take a census after I tell him to take a census" - God
Atheist are always finding ways of putting down Christians, if you don't believe that he exist then why criticize the Bible? If you study the Bible instead of listening to random people on you tube then you will find that the Bible is full of teachings and historical events that can help you.
@wbharkins you mean teachings and historical events like the one described in this very video? We criticize the bible in hopes that you will think for yourself and question the existence of god. We criticize the bible in the hopes that you realize your beliefs are based on stupid nonsensical fairytales and historical (fan)fiction. We want you to use your brain instead of set it on automatic and just assume things without good reason. I dare you to comment on the actual video & reveal its message
Wow. The writer of this story has to have been a scribe of a very greedy israelite king, who wanted to say to his people: "If you don't pay your rent, not the king, but god will kill you"
Yo 43alley just when I thought you couldn't do a better episode... Thanks that was very insightful. Keep it going. I guess the moral of the story goes back to the 1st pimp commandments: Mess with a pimp's money and a pimp is going to mess with you.
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE, because of entropy, couldn't have sustained itself from all eternity. Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their reproductive system and other vital organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
I don't know, I just didn't understand any of this. The last American census was last year, I've never seen a shekel in my life, Americans are fat as hell, we've lost one war, and I haven't gotten a cold in four years.
What kind of drugs did the people that wrote this book have to be on? These are some intense trips these guys must have had. Some of this stuff is so in depth and extraordinary that there is no other way to conceive of such rules, or stories, or death defying shekel gifting tales.
You're forgetting though; God is magic, and so much more powerful than us puny humans that our normal moral faculties fail, leaving only abject grovelling as the most rational option available. We're dealing here with a primitive, indeed savage culture, wherein might makes right; God is good because he's brandishing the biggest rock; humans being basically apes, it's hardwired into us to automatically accept the big-rock-guy as the arbiter of right and wrong, especially if he's magic.
@Meskiagkasher - As it should. If you have a King James Bible handy, look up the first page of I Samuel. It will say "I Samuel, otherwise called the First Book of the Kings."
If you look at II Samuel, it will say "otherwise called the Second Book of the Kings"
I Kings will say ""otherwise called the Third Book of the Kings" and II Kings will say ""otherwise called the Fourth Book of the Kings"
Another quick point: the writers of these 'historical' documents never mention women. Thus we can conclude that if these numbers were based on a real plague, closer to 200,000 people died. Women, children, and non-fighting men (elders, disabled) were not included in the death toll. I guess those people aren't important to their country, even in death.
Just curious, but isn't the interpretation of 'three days of disease' meant to mean those infected were sick for three days prior to dying, not that there would be three days of contagious outbreak?
@Oecologeae I thought The census was being asked of by one of the characters in the bible , not God himself? God uses the shekels to buy prostitutes obviously because he apparently has no wife and he is too old for any young girls to want to 'dine with him' so to speak!
Why did god have to talk to david via gad? Cant he talk directly with david? from what I understand gad was david's personal prophet so, was he basically a court astrologist for david?
@Rotorzilla - Don't you see? In the beginning, God was physically right there with Adam and Eve. Then by the time Moses came, he hid up on a Mountain. Then he retreated physically and started using angels as couriers. Then later he made the transition to human messengers like Gad. Eventually, he quit sending messages at all. Now he only appears in grilled cheese sandwiches.
@43alley OK just so we are clear on this point. In order to avoid a plague, next time I order a census I must offer up half a shekel to my toaster oven?
Does god accept US currency? And what currency conversion does he use? Is merely inserting the shekel into the toaster oven enough.
Or does this law only apply if grilled cheese Jesus tells me to count the Israelites.
I fear I may anger grilled cheese Jesus and inadvertently cause the death of thousands.
@43alley God works in mysterious ways. One day he appears as a stain on a cracked wall near leaky roof, then for the ten years after you see no sign of him again. My uncle said he saw Jesus in his soup once.
- And if you do collect the ransom for him (ransom... an apt word for this) how then do you GIVE the money to god afterwards?
As an added bonus we can also pretty easily figure out what the value of a humans life is in cold hard cash (from gods perspective): a little over 9 shekels pr. head. If anyone knows, it would be fun to know what that historical amount equates to in today's. Today's modern exchange-rate: about 2.60USD
Why couldn't god just talk to David directly? Why use a homeless bum? Cristian's claim all the time that they have heard God's voice, so it's not like there is a special talent required.
Well I just want to say, I'm pissed off at youtube. I subscribe to this channel, and it's one of my favorite channels. I got no notice whatsoever that there's a new video. Hey but thanks you tube. You promoted your bullshit corporate, mind numbing videos.
Why did David still need to build a shrine to god AFTER the plague had already killed so many? It's apparant god didn't want David to die or else he would've sent the angel for him, but he didn't. So David felt guilty. At least that shows he's a good man. But it shows his god is a cruel god.
I think an equally rational reason is that King David tried to pay the half shekel, but didn't know how to get it to God. UPS didn't exist then nor did Fed Ex. They didn't even REALLY have a good postal system (certainly no stamps). What was he to do?
@43alley Or are you talking about that heathen writer? He was of the devil! I love to burn his literature. It keeps my house warm during the winter. He also mated with BIRDS. That's how sick your author was. Why do you think he wrote "The Raven"? It was an homage to he sick affair.
@43alley Poe.? Like the band? That's just devil music. The only music anyone should listen to is music that praises Jesus! If you read the Bible and talked with Jesus, he'd be able to make your statements more understandable!
How DARE an Atheist read our holy book! I'm not reading YOUR science books! If you're reading the Bible, read John 42:8 where it says, "The Lord commands that the fish shall partake unto vengeance. And Jesus said unto humans, those that read MY book are not right with me, unless communion is taken on the 9th day." This clearly states that what you're doing is an abomination. Jesus will judge you like he judged Cain and Moses. False prophets burn in Hell! It's a HOT place, you wicked sinners!!
@SinnersGoToHell I hope for the sake of human kind this is a joke. Seriously science books don't belong to anyone. They're there for everyone to read and enjoy. Reading a science book doesn't make you a Athiest but it can help you see the world for what it really is instead of this delusional state you're living in
@NAEIRNBRUFORU Modern science didn't exist until 1050 A.D. till 1500 A.D., so why would I believe science? Jesus came BEFORE that. He's proven himself (not herself) longer than science has. Would you listen to a little kid (science) or an adult (Jesus) on a subject? Jesus is coming again soon, and ya'll need to be right with Jesus. He says in Mark 25:3, "When I return, the crows will bark with the fury of conviction of a Cannonite." Enjoy your science in Hell. Thepagesarejustmorefuelforthefire.
@SinnersGoToHell Okay why don't you just stop using this computer and the internet because science invented all of those things. Physics invented the internet you moron, Stop going to the doctors and seeking their help. I doubt you'll do any of these things because you're a troll.Just because something is older doesn't make it right. Yes i would listen to a little kid if he had more education and could back up what he was saying than some stupid adult who may not even exist
Lol... So you were born a Christian and had the right to read it from the start? Why are your churches spreading the gospel so that people would believe in Christ, making us read the bible and pray with you? I hope you do know you're spreading the gospel to non-believers in which you claim have no right to read the bible.
@kellys2deryck Yes, because Jesus chose me when I was conceived to be one of his chosen people to follow Him. He knows what will be in peoples' hearts, and he knew I would have perfect love for Him and follow His word to the letter! My church doesn't allow new members. We only pass on to people who are already TRUE believers. What you're talking about are false prophet religions that want you to read the Bible. You can listen to me, or believe the Bible. You can't argue against the Bible.
@disturbedshawn Where's Hell? It's apparently all around YOU. For you're probably wicked. Hell is also in the center of the Earth. It's beyond hot. You can't even imagine how hot it is. It's like the sun being shrunken down, then mixed with a star (that Jesus made) and being set on fire. Jesus made sure when he made it, that you would NOT want to go there.
David seemed like one of the more pleasant figures to come out of the bible, kinda like Job. You could get some morality out of the bible, if you made God the antagonist and the one to be hated.
@andrewisgood Job was a sinner and he chased the Philistines. Don't ever call him a good guy again. Also, God is NOT an antagonist. He's a Pro...at sending you to Hell, you filthy sinner. Ya'll need to get right with Jesus, and quick!
@SinnersGoToHell Threats of hell won't convince a non-believer of anything but the cruel nature of your religion, that would condemn someone for thoughtcrime. It saddens me that there are people like you in this world, completely brainwashed into believing fiction. Maybe you could've been someone great, someone good, but instead religion has turned you into a slave, a spamrobot for Jesus. I pity you. I'll mourn you today. The you that could've been without religion.
@SinnersGoToHell Your A Liar!The Book Says That God Said Job Was Blamless And A Upright Man, Job 1:8. And How Was Job A Sinner For Chasing The Philistines When The Philistines Went Up Against Israel Who Are Gods Chosen? Stop Lying! And Everytimes One Of You Threat'n People With Hell You Only Confirm Your Reasoning For Worship Of This Blood Thirsty Animal Of The Bible & That Reason Is Because You Are All Deathly Afraid Of This Beast.
All christians should read these parts of the bible instead of just the ones about Jesus making wine and bread from nothing. Then there wouldn't be so many ignorant christians running around telling everyone about how 'great' and 'merciful' god is and that the bible holds truth.
There was a christian dude telling me that sexism and a bunch of other stuff is said to be wrong in the bible. And I'm like, dude, did you even read the first two pages? It says that Man shall be the master of women...
Love your videos. If god supposedly was real and created mankind, why would he need to count them in a census? Knowing all of them personally, you'd think he'd know that number off the top of his head. Just saying...
@chiropra1 That was his attempt to make the video more entertaining using humor and not a string of facts. Whether or not you find it funny is a different matter altogether. You can't successfully discredit someone because of their name. That's just not objectively based in fact.
I agree you can't discredit someone's argument because of their name. So... why mention it. He, 43alley, did and it is not a usefull argument, it is even fallatious and insulting to the oponent.
Look, I loved the video and I think 43alley's work is eye openning. I just think that this is below him. I find humour at an oponant's person... questionable. And I said so.
GOD kills more people than 70,000 each and every day.
It's called death.
HE doesn't need a reason.
Ability is reason enough.
When someone has that much power, it's intelligent and reasonable to respect that power and act accordingly.
Mocking an ancient person's perspective and culture because it seems superstitious, if it in fact is the will of a Being that Powerful, well that is not very intelligent or reasonable.
@BennyTheReaper1 Well first of all God doesn't exist. And why should any thinking person respect power? Especially when that power is used in an evil and retarded way? And of course you need a reason for taking something as important as human life. Your imaginary god is a skirt wearing, cock-sucking pathetic loser. Hey, Im still here. Your imaginary God who kills his own worshippers has spared me. An atheist who spits in his face.
Duh. Satan moved David to take the census because God is all-powerful. He can create alternate timelines like an episode of Lost.
Actually, it's said that Satan moved David (the most inept king ever) to take a census through temptation of war. Or God did it because David was such a sinful person, and this was like his "Go cut me a branch from the tree to spank you with." set-up for punishment. But when you're the leader of a "house," all of your "house" is guilty (which, I believe is a form of
racism.) So the kingdom is going pay for David's sin, not their own.
God acts like a tired/irritable Dad in these stories at his inept son's actions, and becomes vengeful. When David impregnated Uriah's wife, David tried to get Uriah to show that he was a bad person. Uriah didn't do it, so David had Uriah placed in battle so he would die. Then God was like "Very clever. Hope the miscarriage was worth it." So now the question on everyone's mind should be "How do I move away from
@darthspeaks "stupid videos?" I'm sorry, but 43alley is doing something that a grand majority of Christians do not: He's actually reading the bible. If more Christians read the bible with a critical eye, they would realize that they believe in a modified form of an ancient, patriarchal, violent, unjust and fantastical Middle Eastern religion. Said religion justifies a book that claims that people can be killed by God for simply not paying him half a shekel. How does that make sense?
@darthspeaks Probably, because only Theists downrate and dislike anything that actually READS their bible and points out the glaring horrors within. I mean really who would expect anyone to actually read it when you can just blindly have faith and ignore all that stuff, hur hur.
@darthspeaks yeah, because if theists watched them, then they would immediatly dislike it without even watching it (or vote bot it down). Or they would false flag it and try to get it banned.
So is the price a half shekel for each person counted, or a half shekel for all? Were the people supposed to pay (8:05) or David? How is this to be paid? Smelt the coins and pour them into a fire? Why couldn't he pay after the census? Did David just have a bad case of forgetfulness? If he were to compensate God for the people, would the people then officially belong to him?
It makes my head explode even before you mention the death toll.
The joke is on the bible believers because it's funny that the liars who put the bible together did not notice that 2 Sam. 24:1 and 1 Chron. 21:1 were in conflict with each other! Apologetics simply digs up an excuse (as usual) about why god was just in killing the people. Why didn't the bible explain that god was pissed about not get his 1/2 shekel per person? I love it when the bible exposes its own BS!!
This was a good video pointing another retarded flaw in the big old book of tr...lies lol i love watching the bible get put in its place for all the misery and negative behaviour it has cause keep up doing these videos.
So... God kills 70,000 people because the priests (God obviously doesn't get the money) didn't get to collect a half shekel for every person counted? ..... Sounds about right.
@DrQuijano I would argue this is different than a tax. i'd say this is more like your brother coming over asking how much soda you have left and then demanding 5 bucks because you counted the soda. perhaps i missed your direct point but you didn't give me much to work with.
@mitenzouki I'm not sure what an oncome tax is, but I like your analogy, though it would be more like Coca Cola calling you and asking you how much Coke you have in the house. You count and call them back with the amount, but fail to pay them for the counting that they asked you to do. So they send over hit-men to kill half your family and most of your neighbors. Don't f with g-d, and don't f with C-ke.
Not to mention that the book of Exodus was written centuries after David's death... in real history, that is, though not in literalist fundie pseudohistory.
Let's not forget that the number of valiant men is completely different in the retelling as well. So much for "There are no contradictions in the Bible."
Why does god need money anyway? I mean he can just create the damned stuff himself, after all, he supposedly created everything else in existence.
On a different note, how much is half a sheckle worth? I mean I did census work and I sure didn't pay him. Also, when does one expect three options when one has accidentally counted stuff with out paying whoever it is money? Heck is it only when counting people we have to worry about this, because pet stores count fish for inventory every day? ; )
@RPfishh "Why does god need money anyway?" You give the money to the owner of the stuff you counted, not God. God just makes up stupid rules and kill people.
"because pet stores count fish for inventory every day?" You only have to pay if you count other people's stuff. If you only count your own stuff you're fine.
Durrrhhhhh dis stuff aint dun gun true god is all loving IT SAYS IT IN DE BIBBLE yall stupd science luving athieest explain thut! also prove god inst real!!!! evur thouht about that>? ur guyes iq is like negutiv 28 and th half@!
@ShutUpChannel - You sound like Kyle Butt. Seriously. Look him up on YouTube. Type in his name and you'll find a debate he did with Dan Barker. It's pathetic. It is obvious he has only read one book in his entire life.
@ustumble yur jst so clused mindd that god said yu dont belive him cuz u r fool! whu creeted the bible if god wanst reel(whch he ios) 1 day i slummed ma face un de grond and jepus tulked to me aand askd 'nw du u belivve i deid fo yo sins' also gud isnt evil he jst wurks in wierd wyas duuurrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh yal need ta uderstand jeeseses luv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL @ 8:58 . Basically these stories are used to emotionally blackmail modern Christians into obeying authority without question. And that bout of influenza that went around? That was because you didn't tithe.
Apologetics Press’ original director and founder, Bert Thompson, was recently removed because it was discovered he had a penchant for 13 year old boys (both prostitutes and at church).
@chag006 easy you toss it up in the air with a big mattress cover and hope for the best sometimes he gets it and sometimes he makes the excuse of "it got lost in the mail" god is such a dick sometimes you'd think he would come up with a better system like credit cards but NOOOOO he just has to sit there while I spend 5 hours tossing money in the air... XD
@chag006 "How would one even go about giving money to god?" You give the money to the owner of the stuff you counted, not God. God just makes up stupid rules and kill people.
How do the apologists explain away the fact that in the U.S. we do a census every 10 years and we don't all get these options? No plagues or enemies chasing us or famines from on high. No angry angels or mass death in this "kingdom" from our census.
Loved the tone of this video. Did not like the ad hominem (insult) against Butt.
:This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.
@chiropra1 I don't think 43alley did that just to indicate that Kyle Butt was wrong because of his name, rather it was just implemented for humor and a chance to reference Beavis and Butt-Head. Who wouldn't?
@chiropra1 ad hominem refers to the use of an insult or slander of someone's character as a REASON to disregard their point (i.e.-"You can't trust him, because he's a _____") Making a joke about someone's name for comedic effect has nothing to do with the logic of his argument against what the man said.
@KingHeathen On the contrary, if it is not clear if the insult to the apologist's name is used as a reason to disregard his arguments; it is obviously out of context otherwise. It does serve this purpose. I stand by my opinion. I view it as fallacious: an ad hominem attack.
"You can't trust his opinion because he's a _____")
@chiropra1 His opinion is irrelevant because it's so obviously retarded in trying to defend a mass murderer for killing thousands upon thousands of people for money he doesn't need and for acts the dead did not commit wrongly. Again it's the mafia boss scenario where he holds a gun to your friends head and if you deny the money somehow the death is the friend and your fault not the robbers.
The fact he made fun of his name did not make the ludicrously pathetic reasoning any less credible.
@DarkBunnyLord I agree with you that Mr Butt's arguments and the Bible's story are morally appalling. But 43alley's attack of this name is not constructive and a fallacious point to winning the argument he was making so well.
@chiropra1 kid, there was no ad hominim attack. Where in the vid did he say ' Mr. butt is wrong simply because his name is butt.' Where did 43 say that? All he did ( like everyone else) was laugh at his name. Are you a poe or a troll?
@chiropra1 Well, if you are just going to redefine every word to fit your opinion, I guess you are entitled to it. But completely disagree with every aspect.
This is not an Ad hominem attack as you describe. 43alley does not use the name in any way to discredit the apologist's argument. I don't think any of his "butt" nonsense implies the apology has less merit
It's just an insulting observation, perhaps in poor taste.
@chiropra1 You're confused about what actually constitutes the Ad Hominem fallacy.
If you say, "God exists."
And I say, "You're an idiot. He does not." That' ad hominem.
If you say, "God exists."
And I say, "You're an idiot." and proceed with telling you why I think you're wrong, I've been a dick, but have no committed any such logical fallacy.
If I make fun, then address the argument: “This guy is really ugly” Look at his ears!
A negative emotional disposition is set.
That is an attack on the person. It is fallacious. It has no bearing on the value of the opponent’s arguments and so we should not do it. It can wrongly sway people away from the point the other is making. It is an ad hominem attack, a fallacious point in an argument.
What is funny is that I thought you were going to do the story of David and Bathsheba where David killed her husband so he could sleep with her. To punish David, god killed his son but left him as a king and still bangin Bathsheba. Now that is justice!
ultim4t32 1 week ago
Another superb video.
88rat88 1 month ago
@wbharkins teachings that can help you? Serious? Hmmm, I really want to marry that woman.
Real man- I'll try and court her, impress her, show her why I'm a good mate, give her reasons to be attracted to me, be kind, friendly, smart, thoughtful, loving, giving and show her I'm a good man.
Bible- Rape her, give her father $50 silver pieces.
paramattic70 1 month ago
God is like the biblical mafia. You don't pay up and he'll send his angels to have you taken care of.
someguyoutthere110 2 months ago
Now THAT is a way to make an atheists head explode.
What a horrible book, and the apologetics makes me sick.
Mimi2591 2 months ago
Another question: Why did an omniscient god sent out people on a 9 month journey to count all people in several nations?
camobeast100 2 months ago
"This worked out well. Killing 70,000 innocent people while leaving King David unharmed will teach him not to take a census after I tell him to take a census" - God
Jimboman300 3 months ago 2
Atheist are always finding ways of putting down Christians, if you don't believe that he exist then why criticize the Bible? If you study the Bible instead of listening to random people on you tube then you will find that the Bible is full of teachings and historical events that can help you.
wbharkins 4 months ago
@wbharkins you mean teachings and historical events like the one described in this very video? We criticize the bible in hopes that you will think for yourself and question the existence of god. We criticize the bible in the hopes that you realize your beliefs are based on stupid nonsensical fairytales and historical (fan)fiction. We want you to use your brain instead of set it on automatic and just assume things without good reason. I dare you to comment on the actual video & reveal its message
viridismonasteriense 3 months ago
@wbharkins *Blink* Because of people like you. Personally I'm still going up for "In God We Trust" to be taken back off the American currency but...
treenaivycarter 3 months ago in playlist An Atheist Reads the Bible series
Wow. The writer of this story has to have been a scribe of a very greedy israelite king, who wanted to say to his people: "If you don't pay your rent, not the king, but god will kill you"
MardasMan 5 months ago in playlist Weitere Videos von 43alley
Yo 43alley just when I thought you couldn't do a better episode... Thanks that was very insightful. Keep it going. I guess the moral of the story goes back to the 1st pimp commandments: Mess with a pimp's money and a pimp is going to mess with you.
cardi35 5 months ago
Is david scratching his ass? Thanks for clarifying that Shekel thing, I was perplexed about that!
kukynphunt 5 months ago
Strong work Sir.
D. Steffen.
davian3 5 months ago
gad is really thin. he should eat something.
yellowfish555 5 months ago
moglet52, you are so patwntly stupid its amazing
psycho3968 6 months ago
Ur videos are well inform. Thank u for making these keep them coming
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Mogley52 6 months ago
How Yahweh is no good at math? Why does he (the imaginary Yahweh) not know how many Israelites there are lmao?
kaiyeem 6 months ago in playlist An Atheist Reads the Bible series
I don't know, I just didn't understand any of this. The last American census was last year, I've never seen a shekel in my life, Americans are fat as hell, we've lost one war, and I haven't gotten a cold in four years.
Delacresse 7 months ago
What kind of drugs did the people that wrote this book have to be on? These are some intense trips these guys must have had. Some of this stuff is so in depth and extraordinary that there is no other way to conceive of such rules, or stories, or death defying shekel gifting tales.
Reip187 7 months ago
I just love reading the bible... So full of death, hate, madness.. it is, after all the word of the ALL LOVING GOD!... lolz
javonne 7 months ago
You're forgetting though; God is magic, and so much more powerful than us puny humans that our normal moral faculties fail, leaving only abject grovelling as the most rational option available. We're dealing here with a primitive, indeed savage culture, wherein might makes right; God is good because he's brandishing the biggest rock; humans being basically apes, it's hardwired into us to automatically accept the big-rock-guy as the arbiter of right and wrong, especially if he's magic.
JCLeSinge 7 months ago
All sacrifices are at the Temple of Solomon. But it was destroyed by the Babylonians about 2600 years ago so.....
camoflux 7 months ago
2nd book of Samuel otherwise known as 2nd book of the Kings ???
2 Samuel is NOT 2 Kings.
Meskiagkasher 7 months ago
@Meskiagkasher - Nobody said it was. Type In "second samuel bible" into a google image search and you will see that's how it's titled in many bibles.
43alley 7 months ago 2
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Meskiagkasher 7 months ago
@43alley the video says that at 1:35
Meskiagkasher 7 months ago
@Meskiagkasher - As it should. If you have a King James Bible handy, look up the first page of I Samuel. It will say "I Samuel, otherwise called the First Book of the Kings."
If you look at II Samuel, it will say "otherwise called the Second Book of the Kings"
I Kings will say ""otherwise called the Third Book of the Kings" and II Kings will say ""otherwise called the Fourth Book of the Kings"
43alley 7 months ago 4
How do you sacrifice a half shekel to God?Do you just throw it up in the air and hope God catches it?
ElbyStump 8 months ago
That apologetics post from Kyle Butt scares me ..
RationalArtist 8 months ago
...Christianity just blows..Why do people believe this crap is beyond my understanding..
Stevoukos 9 months ago 3
That passage in the bible almost made my head explode too, the sheer stupidity of it and utter cruelty is just indescribable.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 9 months ago
wow beautifully articulated
kick08ful 9 months ago
Another quick point: the writers of these 'historical' documents never mention women. Thus we can conclude that if these numbers were based on a real plague, closer to 200,000 people died. Women, children, and non-fighting men (elders, disabled) were not included in the death toll. I guess those people aren't important to their country, even in death.
Hypatia4242 9 months ago
Just curious, but isn't the interpretation of 'three days of disease' meant to mean those infected were sick for three days prior to dying, not that there would be three days of contagious outbreak?
Hypatia4242 9 months ago
what is god going to do with shekels anyway? and if god is omnipotent he should know how many people are in the world?
Oecologeae 9 months ago
@Oecologeae I thought The census was being asked of by one of the characters in the bible , not God himself? God uses the shekels to buy prostitutes obviously because he apparently has no wife and he is too old for any young girls to want to 'dine with him' so to speak!
RationalArtist 8 months ago
Why did god have to talk to david via gad? Cant he talk directly with david? from what I understand gad was david's personal prophet so, was he basically a court astrologist for david?
Rotorzilla 9 months ago 2
@Rotorzilla - Don't you see? In the beginning, God was physically right there with Adam and Eve. Then by the time Moses came, he hid up on a Mountain. Then he retreated physically and started using angels as couriers. Then later he made the transition to human messengers like Gad. Eventually, he quit sending messages at all. Now he only appears in grilled cheese sandwiches.
43alley 9 months ago 61
@43alley LOL your videos rock man!!
Rotorzilla 9 months ago
@43alley OK just so we are clear on this point. In order to avoid a plague, next time I order a census I must offer up half a shekel to my toaster oven?
Does god accept US currency? And what currency conversion does he use? Is merely inserting the shekel into the toaster oven enough.
Or does this law only apply if grilled cheese Jesus tells me to count the Israelites.
I fear I may anger grilled cheese Jesus and inadvertently cause the death of thousands.
Craigmw45 9 months ago
@43alley No... That's Jesus that appears in grilled cheese sandwiches. What a silly rational Atheist you are.
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@43alley and cheetos!
truvak 5 months ago
@43alley God works in mysterious ways. One day he appears as a stain on a cracked wall near leaky roof, then for the ten years after you see no sign of him again. My uncle said he saw Jesus in his soup once.
Mythodiir 1 month ago
how do you pay god the money for the census? where do you send it?
Rotorzilla 10 months ago 4
@Rotorzilla You throw it up into the air, and whatever god wants he keeps... duh ;)
HoleDweller 9 months ago
This made me want to play Black and White
shadywolf91 11 months ago 3
A few questions quickly arise from this:
- Why does god need money?
- And if you do collect the ransom for him (ransom... an apt word for this) how then do you GIVE the money to god afterwards?
As an added bonus we can also pretty easily figure out what the value of a humans life is in cold hard cash (from gods perspective): a little over 9 shekels pr. head. If anyone knows, it would be fun to know what that historical amount equates to in today's. Today's modern exchange-rate: about 2.60USD
TheStigma 11 months ago
wait, why does he need money... not only that, couldn't he have asked david for like, the money in the first place?
shadowshock2468 11 months ago
omnipotent god says: "moneymoneymoney!!!!! mineminemineminemine!!!"
Even their attempt to come up with a "god" is pathetic.
Fail upon fail.
It's all just a big steaming mountain of fail.
jonthed 11 months ago
Why couldn't god just talk to David directly? Why use a homeless bum? Cristian's claim all the time that they have heard God's voice, so it's not like there is a special talent required.
powerslave118 11 months ago
Booom good stuff, love watching your series. }:^D
MyOnlyFarph 11 months ago
Damn, the music makes the hair stick up on the back of my neck. Well done sir.
Newenlightenmentnow 11 months ago
Well I just want to say, I'm pissed off at youtube. I subscribe to this channel, and it's one of my favorite channels. I got no notice whatsoever that there's a new video. Hey but thanks you tube. You promoted your bullshit corporate, mind numbing videos.
Newenlightenmentnow 11 months ago
Why did god need him to take a sensus? He doesnt already know how many people there were? What kind of incompetent god is he!
tobyeo 11 months ago 53
@tobyeo that is such a good point. it's patternly absurd.
XAsbestos 5 months ago
@tobyeo LOL good one! Remember he knows the number of hairs on our heads too ! lol
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Why did David still need to build a shrine to god AFTER the plague had already killed so many? It's apparant god didn't want David to die or else he would've sent the angel for him, but he didn't. So David felt guilty. At least that shows he's a good man. But it shows his god is a cruel god.
viridismonasteriense 11 months ago
I think an equally rational reason is that King David tried to pay the half shekel, but didn't know how to get it to God. UPS didn't exist then nor did Fed Ex. They didn't even REALLY have a good postal system (certainly no stamps). What was he to do?
GenericGenerator 1 year ago
@GenericGenerator Throw the money up in the air? :-P
KaraRvn 11 months ago
I guess Yahweh has never heard of charging late fees or interest on late payments.
Killedkennyagain 1 year ago
@43alley Or are you talking about that heathen writer? He was of the devil! I love to burn his literature. It keeps my house warm during the winter. He also mated with BIRDS. That's how sick your author was. Why do you think he wrote "The Raven"? It was an homage to he sick affair.
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
@43alley Poe.? Like the band? That's just devil music. The only music anyone should listen to is music that praises Jesus! If you read the Bible and talked with Jesus, he'd be able to make your statements more understandable!
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
How DARE an Atheist read our holy book! I'm not reading YOUR science books! If you're reading the Bible, read John 42:8 where it says, "The Lord commands that the fish shall partake unto vengeance. And Jesus said unto humans, those that read MY book are not right with me, unless communion is taken on the 9th day." This clearly states that what you're doing is an abomination. Jesus will judge you like he judged Cain and Moses. False prophets burn in Hell! It's a HOT place, you wicked sinners!!
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
@SinnersGoToHell I hope for the sake of human kind this is a joke. Seriously science books don't belong to anyone. They're there for everyone to read and enjoy. Reading a science book doesn't make you a Athiest but it can help you see the world for what it really is instead of this delusional state you're living in
NAEIRNBRUFORU 1 year ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU Modern science didn't exist until 1050 A.D. till 1500 A.D., so why would I believe science? Jesus came BEFORE that. He's proven himself (not herself) longer than science has. Would you listen to a little kid (science) or an adult (Jesus) on a subject? Jesus is coming again soon, and ya'll need to be right with Jesus. He says in Mark 25:3, "When I return, the crows will bark with the fury of conviction of a Cannonite." Enjoy your science in Hell. Thepagesarejustmorefuelforthefire.
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
@SinnersGoToHell Okay why don't you just stop using this computer and the internet because science invented all of those things. Physics invented the internet you moron, Stop going to the doctors and seeking their help. I doubt you'll do any of these things because you're a troll.Just because something is older doesn't make it right. Yes i would listen to a little kid if he had more education and could back up what he was saying than some stupid adult who may not even exist
NAEIRNBRUFORU 1 year ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU Well, I'm a Christian Scientist, so I DON'T go to the doctor, thank you very much!
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
@SinnersGoToHell Very nice trolling. Shit you got these people worked up pretty nicely. Kudos. It is always nice to see a troll doing it right.
hinro 1 year ago
@SinnersGoToHell
Lol... So you were born a Christian and had the right to read it from the start? Why are your churches spreading the gospel so that people would believe in Christ, making us read the bible and pray with you? I hope you do know you're spreading the gospel to non-believers in which you claim have no right to read the bible.
kellys2deryck 1 year ago
@kellys2deryck Yes, because Jesus chose me when I was conceived to be one of his chosen people to follow Him. He knows what will be in peoples' hearts, and he knew I would have perfect love for Him and follow His word to the letter! My church doesn't allow new members. We only pass on to people who are already TRUE believers. What you're talking about are false prophet religions that want you to read the Bible. You can listen to me, or believe the Bible. You can't argue against the Bible.
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
@SinnersGoToHell Hahahah! Oh man, trolls are funny!
IVIaggotx 11 months ago
@SinnersGoToHell
Lmao.
Where's hell?
disturbedshawn 1 year ago
@disturbedshawn Where's Hell? It's apparently all around YOU. For you're probably wicked. Hell is also in the center of the Earth. It's beyond hot. You can't even imagine how hot it is. It's like the sun being shrunken down, then mixed with a star (that Jesus made) and being set on fire. Jesus made sure when he made it, that you would NOT want to go there.
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
Look like Kyle Butt had a debate with Dan Barker
tobyeo 1 year ago
How many people die during the US Census?
tobyeo 1 year ago
David seemed like one of the more pleasant figures to come out of the bible, kinda like Job. You could get some morality out of the bible, if you made God the antagonist and the one to be hated.
andrewisgood 1 year ago
@andrewisgood Job was a sinner and he chased the Philistines. Don't ever call him a good guy again. Also, God is NOT an antagonist. He's a Pro...at sending you to Hell, you filthy sinner. Ya'll need to get right with Jesus, and quick!
SinnersGoToHell 1 year ago
@SinnersGoToHell Threats of hell won't convince a non-believer of anything but the cruel nature of your religion, that would condemn someone for thoughtcrime. It saddens me that there are people like you in this world, completely brainwashed into believing fiction. Maybe you could've been someone great, someone good, but instead religion has turned you into a slave, a spamrobot for Jesus. I pity you. I'll mourn you today. The you that could've been without religion.
viridismonasteriense 11 months ago
@SinnersGoToHell Your A Liar!The Book Says That God Said Job Was Blamless And A Upright Man, Job 1:8. And How Was Job A Sinner For Chasing The Philistines When The Philistines Went Up Against Israel Who Are Gods Chosen? Stop Lying! And Everytimes One Of You Threat'n People With Hell You Only Confirm Your Reasoning For Worship Of This Blood Thirsty Animal Of The Bible & That Reason Is Because You Are All Deathly Afraid Of This Beast.
MrHead1972 11 months ago
I don't know if anyones mentioned this yet, but doesn't the fringe of King David's cloak look like a large, squishy backside?
Vexille1983 1 year ago
@Vexille1983 -I thought the same.
menstruatingorchid 1 year ago
All christians should read these parts of the bible instead of just the ones about Jesus making wine and bread from nothing. Then there wouldn't be so many ignorant christians running around telling everyone about how 'great' and 'merciful' god is and that the bible holds truth.
There was a christian dude telling me that sexism and a bunch of other stuff is said to be wrong in the bible. And I'm like, dude, did you even read the first two pages? It says that Man shall be the master of women...
NiWiPe36 1 year ago
Love your videos. If god supposedly was real and created mankind, why would he need to count them in a census? Knowing all of them personally, you'd think he'd know that number off the top of his head. Just saying...
SuperDESTROYER71 1 year ago
ah, it's been a while since you uploaded. good work as always.
Trifer420 1 year ago
O' Gad, That David has some sexy legs!
grassburner 1 year ago
An atheist reading the Bible is like a retard reading the dictionary - neither would understand much what they would read.
darthspeaks 1 year ago
@darthspeaks Why don't you tell us how you understand this story about david then instead of insulting people?
MegaParadox69 1 year ago
@darthspeaks A christian reading the bible is like a blind man reading the dictionary. It doesn't happen. :P
SammDogg 1 year ago
God is the IRS
tobyeo 1 year ago
I laughed so hard at the stick figure of god, lol it was awesome.
AtheisticTeenager 1 year ago
so, were the babies and children with no job supposed to pay God not to kill them?
Sav3TheWorld 1 year ago
666 likes! An Atheist video would!
corylulu 1 year ago
Noice 666 likes. :)
smead7 1 year ago
@chiropra1 That was his attempt to make the video more entertaining using humor and not a string of facts. Whether or not you find it funny is a different matter altogether. You can't successfully discredit someone because of their name. That's just not objectively based in fact.
teeterharris 1 year ago
@teeterharris
I agree you can't discredit someone's argument because of their name. So... why mention it. He, 43alley, did and it is not a usefull argument, it is even fallatious and insulting to the oponent.
Look, I loved the video and I think 43alley's work is eye openning. I just think that this is below him. I find humour at an oponant's person... questionable. And I said so.
chiropra1 1 year ago
GOD kills more people than 70,000 each and every day.
It's called death.
HE doesn't need a reason.
Ability is reason enough.
When someone has that much power, it's intelligent and reasonable to respect that power and act accordingly.
Mocking an ancient person's perspective and culture because it seems superstitious, if it in fact is the will of a Being that Powerful, well that is not very intelligent or reasonable.
Suicidal in fact.
BennyTheReaper1 1 year ago
@BennyTheReaper1 Well first of all God doesn't exist. And why should any thinking person respect power? Especially when that power is used in an evil and retarded way? And of course you need a reason for taking something as important as human life. Your imaginary god is a skirt wearing, cock-sucking pathetic loser. Hey, Im still here. Your imaginary God who kills his own worshippers has spared me. An atheist who spits in his face.
Sav3TheWorld 1 year ago
Duh. Satan moved David to take the census because God is all-powerful. He can create alternate timelines like an episode of Lost.
Actually, it's said that Satan moved David (the most inept king ever) to take a census through temptation of war. Or God did it because David was such a sinful person, and this was like his "Go cut me a branch from the tree to spank you with." set-up for punishment. But when you're the leader of a "house," all of your "house" is guilty (which, I believe is a form of
teeterharris 1 year ago
@teeterharris
racism.) So the kingdom is going pay for David's sin, not their own.
God acts like a tired/irritable Dad in these stories at his inept son's actions, and becomes vengeful. When David impregnated Uriah's wife, David tried to get Uriah to show that he was a bad person. Uriah didn't do it, so David had Uriah placed in battle so he would die. Then God was like "Very clever. Hope the miscarriage was worth it." So now the question on everyone's mind should be "How do I move away from
teeterharris 1 year ago
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@teeterharris
the vengeful Sky Daddy? I mean, I don't want to be killed because King David works to keep the fire going in his palace on a cold Sabbath night."
teeterharris 1 year ago
From the 2 dislikes I have come to the conclusion that only atheists watch these stupid videos.
darthspeaks 1 year ago
@darthspeaks "stupid videos?" I'm sorry, but 43alley is doing something that a grand majority of Christians do not: He's actually reading the bible. If more Christians read the bible with a critical eye, they would realize that they believe in a modified form of an ancient, patriarchal, violent, unjust and fantastical Middle Eastern religion. Said religion justifies a book that claims that people can be killed by God for simply not paying him half a shekel. How does that make sense?
Greyclouds40 1 year ago
@darthspeaks Probably, because only Theists downrate and dislike anything that actually READS their bible and points out the glaring horrors within. I mean really who would expect anyone to actually read it when you can just blindly have faith and ignore all that stuff, hur hur.
DarkBunnyLord 1 year ago
@darthspeaks yeah, because if theists watched them, then they would immediatly dislike it without even watching it (or vote bot it down). Or they would false flag it and try to get it banned.
Sav3TheWorld 1 year ago
I hope king David paid a half shekel to God before he counted those 70,000 corpses. Or was God too tired to care at that point.
rm061369 1 year ago
So the lives of 70,000 people is worth exactly 1/2 a shikle...hmm good to know how important humans are to this merciful god...
msadaldin 1 year ago
Couldn't God just have asked David for a shekel or two? If that's all he wanted I'm sure David would have obliged.
TheRatsmith 1 year ago 19
So is the price a half shekel for each person counted, or a half shekel for all? Were the people supposed to pay (8:05) or David? How is this to be paid? Smelt the coins and pour them into a fire? Why couldn't he pay after the census? Did David just have a bad case of forgetfulness? If he were to compensate God for the people, would the people then officially belong to him?
It makes my head explode even before you mention the death toll.
klutterkicker 1 year ago 3
U own at ms paint.
AfroMageman 1 year ago
and number ye the people
that seems like a lot of work,
one week later
theres ummmmmmmm ten
deathman1021 1 year ago
The joke is on the bible believers because it's funny that the liars who put the bible together did not notice that 2 Sam. 24:1 and 1 Chron. 21:1 were in conflict with each other! Apologetics simply digs up an excuse (as usual) about why god was just in killing the people. Why didn't the bible explain that god was pissed about not get his 1/2 shekel per person? I love it when the bible exposes its own BS!!
Almamater8888 1 year ago
This was a good video pointing another retarded flaw in the big old book of tr...lies lol i love watching the bible get put in its place for all the misery and negative behaviour it has cause keep up doing these videos.
TheAmusingHeckler 1 year ago
its just a load of bollocks.
Rather abrupt to say the least but anyone out there that believes this garbage needs to see a shrink.
No apologies for I have given you believers a way out from your torment.
naybobdenod 1 year ago
So, according to the Bible, every person on earth is worth 1/70000 of a sheckle o.O
OukaKisa 1 year ago
So... God kills 70,000 people because the priests (God obviously doesn't get the money) didn't get to collect a half shekel for every person counted? ..... Sounds about right.
rafaravioli 1 year ago
LOVE THAT INTRO MUSIC!
RichieJohnSauls 1 year ago
@chag006 - god accepts pay pal, duh
DRnab1983 1 year ago
1) Does anyone know how to go about giving half a Shekel to God? Is there a particular rendez-vous point where I can slip it to him?
2) Where do I get me a half a Shekel?
You see we're about to have a census here in the UK and I ain't going like that!!!!
nontrainspotter 1 year ago
Ok am i the only one that has a problem with paying someone for something you've been ordered by that person to do?
mitenzouki 1 year ago
@mitenzouki Then I take it you're against oncome taxes?
DrQuijano 1 year ago
@DrQuijano I would argue this is different than a tax. i'd say this is more like your brother coming over asking how much soda you have left and then demanding 5 bucks because you counted the soda. perhaps i missed your direct point but you didn't give me much to work with.
mitenzouki 1 year ago
@mitenzouki I'm not sure what an oncome tax is, but I like your analogy, though it would be more like Coca Cola calling you and asking you how much Coke you have in the house. You count and call them back with the amount, but fail to pay them for the counting that they asked you to do. So they send over hit-men to kill half your family and most of your neighbors. Don't f with g-d, and don't f with C-ke.
veggiescrub 1 year ago
@veggiescrub Your analogy is superior. Alex I'd like to change my answer to what veggie just said.
mitenzouki 1 year ago
Does evolution belong in biomedical curricula??
Oh dear Jevus....
0ElaEnchanted0 1 year ago
cool vid thanks for upload
darkphantom77 1 year ago
awesome video...
jedraj 1 year ago
Dope!
IllPropaganda 1 year ago
AFV - Awesome Fucking Video
kn2000nhs 1 year ago
Not to mention that the book of Exodus was written centuries after David's death... in real history, that is, though not in literalist fundie pseudohistory.
Puchicas9 1 year ago
YAHWEH, that VOLCANO GOD RULES!!!!!!! hahahahah
Pablo113 1 year ago
Let's not forget that the number of valiant men is completely different in the retelling as well. So much for "There are no contradictions in the Bible."
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Why does god need money anyway? I mean he can just create the damned stuff himself, after all, he supposedly created everything else in existence.
On a different note, how much is half a sheckle worth? I mean I did census work and I sure didn't pay him. Also, when does one expect three options when one has accidentally counted stuff with out paying whoever it is money? Heck is it only when counting people we have to worry about this, because pet stores count fish for inventory every day? ; )
RPfishh 1 year ago
@RPfishh "Why does god need money anyway?" You give the money to the owner of the stuff you counted, not God. God just makes up stupid rules and kill people.
"because pet stores count fish for inventory every day?" You only have to pay if you count other people's stuff. If you only count your own stuff you're fine.
AakeTraak 1 year ago
Geeze...and I thought the IRS was bad when it rained down the fire and brimstone after i forgot to pay my taxes.
Violent2aShadow 1 year ago
Durrrhhhhh dis stuff aint dun gun true god is all loving IT SAYS IT IN DE BIBBLE yall stupd science luving athieest explain thut! also prove god inst real!!!! evur thouht about that>? ur guyes iq is like negutiv 28 and th half@!
ShutUpChannel 1 year ago
@ShutUpChannel - You sound like Kyle Butt. Seriously. Look him up on YouTube. Type in his name and you'll find a debate he did with Dan Barker. It's pathetic. It is obvious he has only read one book in his entire life.
ustumble 1 year ago
@ustumble yur jst so clused mindd that god said yu dont belive him cuz u r fool! whu creeted the bible if god wanst reel(whch he ios) 1 day i slummed ma face un de grond and jepus tulked to me aand askd 'nw du u belivve i deid fo yo sins' also gud isnt evil he jst wurks in wierd wyas duuurrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh yal need ta uderstand jeeseses luv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ShutUpChannel 1 year ago
@ShutUpChannel "[snip] in wierd wyas duuurrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh yal need ta uderstand jeeseses luv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Hallelujah!!
AakeTraak 1 year ago
@ustumble To be fair...he went up against Dan Barker. That's like asking your high school football team to take on the Patriots!
KingHeathen 1 year ago
LOL @ 8:58 . Basically these stories are used to emotionally blackmail modern Christians into obeying authority without question. And that bout of influenza that went around? That was because you didn't tithe.
jennyinthepark 1 year ago
Apologetics Press’ original director and founder, Bert Thompson, was recently removed because it was discovered he had a penchant for 13 year old boys (both prostitutes and at church).
YOURINQUIRER 1 year ago 2
How would one even go about giving money to god?
chag006 1 year ago
@chag006 easy you toss it up in the air with a big mattress cover and hope for the best sometimes he gets it and sometimes he makes the excuse of "it got lost in the mail" god is such a dick sometimes you'd think he would come up with a better system like credit cards but NOOOOO he just has to sit there while I spend 5 hours tossing money in the air... XD
UbinTimor 1 year ago
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@chag006 "How would one even go about giving money to god?" You give the money to the owner of the stuff you counted, not God. God just makes up stupid rules and kill people.
AakeTraak 1 year ago
I like the ending. I have the same reaction reading anything in the bible.
RaptureD87 1 year ago
How do the apologists explain away the fact that in the U.S. we do a census every 10 years and we don't all get these options? No plagues or enemies chasing us or famines from on high. No angry angels or mass death in this "kingdom" from our census.
TheAnubisDrake 1 year ago
Loved the tone of this video. Did not like the ad hominem (insult) against Butt.
:This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.
chiropra1 1 year ago 3
@chiropra1 - Heh heh, you said "Butt."
43alley 1 year ago 58
@43alley
heh heh, Butt heh heh BUNG-hole heh heh. Hey Buthead check it out...
Personally without some pause, I think I would have lost a second or two thinking about it. As a Beavis and Buthead fan, it made me smile. Thanks!
CMrace 1 year ago
@43alley Wait, wait...You said it first! lol
chiropra1 1 year ago
@chiropra1 - It's just an insult, not an ad hominem. XD
LeksServices 1 year ago
@chiropra1 I don't think 43alley did that just to indicate that Kyle Butt was wrong because of his name, rather it was just implemented for humor and a chance to reference Beavis and Butt-Head. Who wouldn't?
MrTastyBeef 1 year ago 2
@chiropra1 ad hominem refers to the use of an insult or slander of someone's character as a REASON to disregard their point (i.e.-"You can't trust him, because he's a _____") Making a joke about someone's name for comedic effect has nothing to do with the logic of his argument against what the man said.
KingHeathen 1 year ago 3
@KingHeathen On the contrary, if it is not clear if the insult to the apologist's name is used as a reason to disregard his arguments; it is obviously out of context otherwise. It does serve this purpose. I stand by my opinion. I view it as fallacious: an ad hominem attack.
"You can't trust his opinion because he's a _____")
chiropra1 1 year ago
@chiropra1 His opinion is irrelevant because it's so obviously retarded in trying to defend a mass murderer for killing thousands upon thousands of people for money he doesn't need and for acts the dead did not commit wrongly. Again it's the mafia boss scenario where he holds a gun to your friends head and if you deny the money somehow the death is the friend and your fault not the robbers.
The fact he made fun of his name did not make the ludicrously pathetic reasoning any less credible.
DarkBunnyLord 1 year ago
@DarkBunnyLord I agree with you that Mr Butt's arguments and the Bible's story are morally appalling. But 43alley's attack of this name is not constructive and a fallacious point to winning the argument he was making so well.
chiropra1 1 year ago
@chiropra1 kid, there was no ad hominim attack. Where in the vid did he say ' Mr. butt is wrong simply because his name is butt.' Where did 43 say that? All he did ( like everyone else) was laugh at his name. Are you a poe or a troll?
Sav3TheWorld 1 year ago
@chiropra1 Well, if you are just going to redefine every word to fit your opinion, I guess you are entitled to it. But completely disagree with every aspect.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@chiropra1
I get your point. Insults are bad.
This is not an Ad hominem attack as you describe. 43alley does not use the name in any way to discredit the apologist's argument. I don't think any of his "butt" nonsense implies the apology has less merit
It's just an insulting observation, perhaps in poor taste.
CMrace 1 year ago
@chiropra1 Congratulations, you pointed out the obvious. Chill-out, people like to have some fun too.
darkness88ew 1 year ago
@chiropra1 He didn't say "hahahaha his name is butt, therefore his arguments are wrong"
TheDocRex 1 year ago
@chiropra1 You're confused about what actually constitutes the Ad Hominem fallacy.
If you say, "God exists."
And I say, "You're an idiot. He does not." That' ad hominem.
If you say, "God exists."
And I say, "You're an idiot." and proceed with telling you why I think you're wrong, I've been a dick, but have no committed any such logical fallacy.
tommylehman 1 year ago
@tommylehman
If I make fun, then address the argument: “This guy is really ugly” Look at his ears!
A negative emotional disposition is set.
That is an attack on the person. It is fallacious. It has no bearing on the value of the opponent’s arguments and so we should not do it. It can wrongly sway people away from the point the other is making. It is an ad hominem attack, a fallacious point in an argument.
chiropra1 1 year ago