4. Eternal Life - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith

[Dandeeman26]

You said something else about Joseph Smith having the keys where the Bible said Christ did. Both are true Joseph Smith got his keys from Peter James and John who got the keys/athourity from Christ. Joseph never claimed the priesthood was his it was Christ's and Joseph was called to be a representative of Christ. This doesn't mean he thought he could take the place of Christ.

[Dandeeman26]

So if I remember right on my mission I was always told I was un logical. You find fault with Abraham for lying. Have you watched cop shows or do you know anythng about law enforcement? Cops lie. They aren't in the wrong when they do it ,because they save lives. Pharoah had a very evil desire to kill Abraham and take his wife. The Bible also says thou shalt not kill ,but yet Saul was commanded to destroy a whole city and was rebuked by the prophet Samuel for not killing the king.

[wannawatchu66]

Please do some research and know what you're talking about before spouting off at the keyboard. Have a nice day.

[wannawatchu66]

Another thing: all bad things in this world (disease, crime, weather phenomena, earthquakes, etc.) are a result of being an accursed creation as a result of Adam's sin (the federal head of the human race). If Adam hadn't sinned, we wouldn't do a lot of things we do today: Adam and Eve were naked, yet today, we wear clothes. They didn't have to work for a living; we do. While SOME disease IS a result of sinful lifestyle choices, some is also just a part of being in said accursed creation.

[wannawatchu66]

Also from bornagainunbeliever:

The Bible was "clearly written by people who thought...the earth was flat."

Oh really...?

I submit Isaiah 40:22, where "the circle of the earth" is mentioned. Maybe OTHER cultures and races were flat-earthers, but the prophet Isaiah wrote this well over 2,000 years ago.

[wannawatchu66]

As for people in Biblical times thinking the earth was flat, a lot of people back then thought a LOT of things. The Greeks had their pantheon of mythical gods and goddesses, the Egyptians were an idol-worshipping people from the word go. God created the Jewish nation to preserve His truth and to act as a conduit for said truth to the world.

[wannawatchu66]

No, religions are NOT all the same song sung in a different voice. If they were, Jesus died for nothing. Yes, eternal life is inevitable for everyone; the question is WHERE? Below, bornagainunbeliever accuses the Bible of being "riddled with errors," indicative of a superficial knowledge of the Bible at best, hearsay, or have a predetermination NOT to believe it, regardless of its veracity. While the Bible does have *difficulties,* when investigated, there are logical explanations.

[ilindah]

to choose whatever we want in this physical life experience is 'freedom' and 'eternal life' is inevitable :) ALL religions sing the same song in a different voice...here are our interpretations of the past, obey them and only we will benefit while those who dont, will recieve fire and brimstone basically :) kewl...NOT

[marinebiobry]

@geniusinthehouse Jesus doesn't require a witness to tell the truth. He kinda just does it. I know that seems simplistic, but we gotta dumb it down for us non-geniuses. The point is to serve God. The eternity part is a reward for believing. As a genius, you already understand this, but all humans are mortal. All will die, except those believers alive at the Second Coming. Eternal life comes after resurrection in Christ. It's simplistic, but I'm just breaking it down for the non-geniuses.

[bornagainunbeliever]

How can anyone quote the exact words of the Bible as some kind of proof of truth, when the Bible itself is riddled with errors and was clearly written by people who (among other things) thought the earth was flat.

Doesn't it also say that the cause of all disease is SIN? Of course, that's what they believed 2,000 years ago, but modern science (through DNA) has proved it to be just primitive superstition.

You can't have it both ways. Either the Bible is ALL true or it's ALL false!!

[marinebiobry]

@bornagainunbeliever Why bother to lower yourself to speak on matters you seem to find ridiculous? Isn't this a waste of time for you? One would think your extensive knowledge of the errors contained in the Bible would mean that you know the Bible doesn't say that any disease a person has is a direct result of that person's sins in his/her life. Before the first sin, there was no disease. After, diseases of all types were free to run their natural (as we know it today) courses.

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

Spencer W Kimball went against his own Prophet Brigham Young when he allowed Blacks in. HOW? Brigham said that all the whites would have to be redeemed from the four corners of the earth and had THERE resurrection from the dead, THEN it would be time to let the blacks into the priesthood.

SO you have a changing GOD in Mormonism.

The God of the Bible is this. "I the Lord thy God I change not" or "Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever". Mormon God also changed his mind on Polygamy.

[LDSTrueChurch]

. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."

jefflindsay . com

fairlds . org

All the new evidence pointing to geography and physical evidence found since 2003 makes the Smithsonian Institutes Statement of 1996 about obsolete.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints leads its church by revelation just as the true church ever has.

[mormonchick011]

we do not believe that salvation rests in the hands of joseph smith himself. perhapse by the revalations given to him from god and so by god's words.

[mormonchick011]

doctorine and covanents are revaletions given to joseph smith from God! not just jodephs words. they are direct interpretation of the things God revealed to joseph smith as well as other prophets after him.

[brwnsftblvr]

revealed to him by staring into a hat with an occult stone in it?

[mormonchick011]

what? that makes no sense and why would he lie or hallucinate! about such things that are only to bring good into the world and of God's will? what the heck is an occult stone anyway? sheesh!

[brwnsftblvr]

It's the seeing stone he used to search for burried treasure and then used to translate the book of mormon and to incorrect translate an egyptian burial text into the book of abraham.

It does not bring about good, it turns people from God by mixing truth with lies and brings them to a false god that is the creation of joseph smith. If he really did receive these visions it did not come from God but from the deceiver

[mormonchick011]

joseph smith did not create god. what bad has come of the lds church? please tell me one thing? why does everyone persecute us when all we try to do is good in this world. this stone you speak of? I'm sorry you miss interpreted it. the urim and thumum was given to joseph smith as well as abraham to translate ancient text. no one knows exactly how they work but there is evidence of the two being used. ther is a white stone spoken of in rev 2:17 in THE BIBLE and given more insight in D&C 130:10

[mormonchick011]

the urim and thumum where specifically used for translating not for so called Treasure hunting. sheesh get your facts straight. what proof do you have that all this didn't come from god? how do you know it is fake? then you'll ask how do I know that it is true? i have prayed and asked my father in heaven if these things be true. and the spirit made manifest to my heart that the words of the book of mormon are true. then the question comes of how do I differ between feelings of god or satan?

[mormonchick011]

if that which i feel or want to do brings me closer to god than it is of god. if my feelings take me away than it is not of god. thats the only way I know how to explain. you may persecute and ridicule my religion but no one can disprove the feelings I have felt through the doctorine and priesthood of the church. the burning in my soul that makes me so happy and I know that God wants us all to be happy in the end. all of his children! it is my wish that all could feel the joy and burning i have.

[brwnsftblvr]

it may be well designed to make you feel that way, what better way to draw in ppl.  No where in the bible does it mention translation or divine dictation of books. All books of the bible were written by prophets or by their disciples without the direct intervention of God dictating to them.

Hear O Israel, The Lord our God is Lord alone

find me 1 Jew who agrees that this supports your view of God. Mormons misapply verses constantly, ignoring what they were written to mean

[delagrazia]

@brwnsftblvr moses?

[brwnsftblvr]

there are accounts that he had used them to hunt for buried treasure but I'm sure they'd rather tell you he found them with the golden plates, of course since there was never any proof that he had found those anyway....

You don't need the book of mormon to grow closer to God, you have the bible, stop confusing what it teaches with mormon doctrine. Turn away from a church with another Gospel and multiple gods, turn to the Word of God

[Undertaker202]

right on!!

[sunburst68]

@brwnsftblvr  Amen !

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God......

And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."

"... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD."

"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us... "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."

"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

--Philippians 2:5-8

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

"I and my Father are ONE."

--Jesus Christ, John 10:30

"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."

--MATTHEW 1:23

"...if ye believe not that I am he,ye shall die in your sins."

--JESUS CHRIST, JOHN 8:24

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory."

[LDSTrueChurch]

please look at the videos under my favorites, also look up the ones concerning archaeology by FAIRLDSdotORG

shows much concerning the ACTUAL evidence found thru archaeology. John E. Clark and John L. Sorenson. Book of Mormon, try Googling them.

[etc1er]

joseph smith did not die on the cross of cavalry to redeem humanity!gosh,you mormons are so gay,only gays want to be gods i delight in being a servant of christ,keep spreading this lie and you'll have to answer to god someday!don't write back or reply.i wont read it!i hope you find the truth!1

[hopeforyourlife]

There's more hard historical evidence that Smith was a fraud than there is that the BoM is true.

[cowdragon]

enter in to jesus? Sounds pretty erotic actually. But not in a good way.

[erase1000]

"...Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the instrument which Christ used to restore his church prepratory to his second coming to the earth."

Now if this were turn this would make null and void what Jesus said to Peter in Mt 16:18 "thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

The Rock Jesus spoke of was Himself, the Church has never needed to be restored as Joseph claimed, as Jesus has been in control of the Church from day one

[samtorrance5590]

Amazing, good response.

[erase1000]

pt. 1

The problems with your LDS statement are many, and it is a carbon copy statement of every other LDS member is this, The LDS Jesus and the Jesus of the Bible are not the same Jesus. The LDS Jesus is a created god, who is the spirit brother of Lucifer.

As Paul state in Gal 1:6-9 and 2 Cor 11:4 & 13-15 that there is another Jesus, another gospel & another Spirit, who's power comes from Satan (Lucifer)

The Jesus of the Bible is God eternal creator of the heavens and earth. Jn 1:1-3, Col 1:16

[erase1000]

pt. 2

If Jesus created all things, then He created Lucifer and they cannot be brothers in any form, the LDS Jesus and the Biblical Jesus are two different Jesus'.

j.

[AuroraBorealis777]

I know The Book of Mormon--Another testament of Jesus Christ is true scripture. The Book of Mormon Teaches there is no other name given under heaven whereby I can be saved--Only in and Through Jesus Christ. How I love my beloved Savior and Redeemer. I'm grateful He called a prophet according to his time honored biblical pattern of calling prophets. I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the instrument which Christ used to restore his church prepratory to his second coming to the earth.

[samtorrance5590]

If the Telestial Kingdom is for liars.... that alone sums up every single human being. I'll see y'all in the Telestial Kindgom!

Ps. I don't believe this is true. I believe heaven is where we go to spend eternity with the one who died for our sins, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is Lord, forever.

[samtorrance5590]

Amazing video. Jesus is Lord!

[PobjedaIstine]

allahuakbar

[DianaArmstrongGonzal]

The 3 heavens Paul was referring to in the Bible was simply: 1. sky 2.outer-space 3. Actual Heaven

[GodLovedJosephSmith]

your an idiot, that was NOT what Paul said. There are 3 degrees of Glory that man could attain and that will classify each individual according to their works.

You really should try reading the scriptures cause you sure don't understand the Lord's words to his apostles.

I personally am so glad the Church of Jesus Christ was RESTORED. We are HIS flock and are HIS disciples. We are baptized by one holding authority that is called of God by revelation.

fairlds . org

[DianaArmstrongGonzal]

IF YOU KNEW THE BIBLE, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT NAME CALLING??READ THE BIBLE .You claim to know God???????NOT WITH THE WAY YOU TALK OR WITH YOUR PUFFED UP SELF...GOD HATES PRIDE MORE THAN ANY OTHER SIN.....you need to READ THE BIBLE my friend ! GUESS WHAT? GOD LOVES THE PERSON YOU JUST CALLED AN IDIOT!DO U THINK HE'S HAPPY WITH YOUR CONDUCT?U NEED TO READ!!

[BlondieBaptist71]

Diana-

Amen! :)

[DianaArmstrongGonzal]

Diana, what???

[samtorrance5590]

Paul only said that he was caught up to the third heaven, which is where God lives. The other two heavens mentioned in Genesis 1 is called the firmament. The first firmament of heaven is the sky, where the birds fly, the second is space, the third is where God is. When Paul talks about bodies, he isn't talking about heaven. He says that the sun, moon and stars each have their own glory as do heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. He is talking about bodies, not heaven.

[channel537]

Religion wants you to believe that eternal life is something you have to earn in some way. It's a total lie. It's just a way of getting to participate in the enterprise of religion.

[channel537]

Either you have eternal life or you don't. If you don't have it you can't gain it and if you have it you can't lose it. Eternal means beyond time, something that is just always a fact. You can't have new eternal facts and have some eternal facts become false. That would contradict their eternal nature. Same applies to God's forgiveness. If you have it you can't lose it and if you don't have it you can't gain it be participating in a culturally created drama called religion.

[moonchild011]

and remember kids no sex before marriage!!!that leads to the dark side of the jesus force

[evac171]

Mormons are idiots- Jesus was a mythical sun god and you know it

[geniusloch]

Eternal Life is based on a teacher/student relationship. The teacher teaches complete and integrated knowledge, relative to a complete and integrated relationship with reality, which they will represent the author of, based on the fact that they are the finisher of. I know this, because I have become a teacher of that standard and order. The problem I'm having is, I have not found a student worthy to become my student. Note: Eternal life is not an after life. It has always been, here and now.

[riversideharp]

Think about it, what is to be gained from this video? Do you know Jesus Christ any better? The point should be to teach about Jesus Christ, then shall many turn to them. All they teach lies about the doctrine of Jesus Christ, and say Joseph Smith is the founder. No the founder of the lies and half truths posted in these videos are from the Devil. Satan is the father of confusion and lies.

[profoundcreation]

truth is to be gained. Mormonism has taken the face of jesus and perverted it. they are preaching a different gosple. my friend i dont mean to offend you but to help you. listen to these videos and open your heart. dont let bitterness and pride stop you from seeing the truth.

[martidw]

Nice try, but no unhallowed hand will stop this work.

[sinanuar]

I dont get it how can jesus be god and then he says belive in his father god and then this ppl say jesus is god? I've always tought jesus was the son of god not god

[ghostgate82]

It's a Trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 3 are 1. Do some reasearch on the Trinity. It's ok to be confused, just make seeking truth the most important thing in your life. God bless.

[newbirth35]

If God "begat" Jesus, like begets like. God can only beget God. :) Jesus is co-equal with the Father.

[moonchild011]

i've heard that joke too :}

[dhang13957]

amen! Only Trust HIM!

[missamyleoness]

All religion is a joke.

not just mormonism

[FirebrandNIRE]

Would that include the religion of Atheism?

[missamyleoness]

of course!

[missamyleoness]

of course!

[mysanitysgone]

but it does look like a good high school project, I'll give them a C+ maybe

[isildi523]

Are u kidding me jesus being divine so then a all poweful creator can piss shit eat drink sleep and sin as a child learning how to walk.

Jesus spoke about muhammed to come. jesus was no more than a pure man from mary who performed miracles by the power of god. God is not a soul or spirit like us. Besides jesus never spoke about creation and i heard he didnt even want a church! The bible and gospel is a joke

[ST8URCASE]

where in the Bible does Jesus Christ say that?

can muhammed forgive sins?

will muhammed return to judge the world?

[LauraGalway]

how is it the mormons can be so deceived by a False religion?

[slimguy9090]

Acts 5:

37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.

38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

[delirious899]

man these ppl in the video believe more in wad a man says rather than wad God says. wad good is this man called joseph smith? who is he to blaspheme? u r crazy and mad. show me if he did any miracles. all he did was just to unite the 'church'. so wad? Christianity is growing more than LDS does. so many of your churches defunct. unity? more like a separation to me.

[delirious899]

dat qs is too easy to answer. how do we achieve eternal life? by believing dat Jesus has died for our sins and dat we live in His grace and dat Jesus is our Lord.

[mysanitysgone]

is this a cute little high school project, they do look like freshmen?lol

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

THis video is so true its scary!

[vicma01]

Joseph Smith The Great Prophet, God Bless You,

Thank You For The Restoration Of The Gospel.

Any One Who Thinks Different, Well That is Good For You.

[ST8URCASE]

what parts of this video is inaccurate?

[itsADieL]

Wasnt Joseph Smith a man known for his tall tales?

[darkmarkandthelight]

Mormons are just peaceful muslims...they both follow men and not God. Lord have mercy on us all.

[LauraGalway]

With all the controversy and the documented history of joseph smith,and his delvings into scorcery and amulets,how can anyone accept his fabrications?

[TruthSpotter]

Check out the rebuttle to the lies and half truths of this video at FairLDS dot Org. Type the name of this video in the search bar and you will get a line by line rebuttle to this poorly researched hit piece.

[TruthSpotter]

Check out the rebuttle to the lies and half truths of this video. at FairLDS dot Org. Type the name of this video in the search bar and you will get a line by line rebuttle.

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

Isaiah 43,44,45 God has already said you will never become a god and there is only one.

[Outlaw1257]

NonB$:

Gee!! That's certainly justification for racism!!

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, "It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black" (The Way to Perfection, p.107).

[deconomou]

It's not Biblical.

[Outlaw1257]

I don't give a dammed kangaroo's ass about your justifications for racism; be it Christianity, LDS, or any other evil institution who has engaged in racism.

If you were truly the "one true church" as you claim to be, you would see that in a heartbeat.

[yulsaba]

The reason why people like you keep on fighting against the LDS church, is because, 'YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DOCTRINE TO TEACH. LDS people don't do that, because they believe in a living church and only teach the doctrines of GOD and not of MAN.

[yulsaba]

Their religion is pure intelligence from God, TRY TEACHING YOUR OWN DOCTRINES, W/O SAYING BAD THINGS AGAINST ANY OTHER RELIGIONS SEE IF YOU'LL GAIN GOOD FOLLOWERS.

[mormonchick011]

black skin? where? just a black on their body correct? so it could be hair or dirt or anything..