Yama arashi:- is fundementaly a transition from a two handed defensive stance (one grip on sleeve other on same side lapel) into a fast seonagi style throw, the arashi part is meant to be sweeping the ankle from the front to rear
@bffx this is a variation of the Original Jujitsu Yama Arashi which was in fact a fatal technique...in the original, when done properly the opponents arm is broken and before that fact registers in the brain...they land on their head and break their neck...The Judo version is considerably different since judo was created to be a sport...in essence they took alot of the Fatal stuff out of jujitsu, added a point system and some rules and thats where ya got Judo...so yeah...
@Momoyama79 my sensei is Roy Nanjo. He is a USA national judo coach. He's beaten the Korean national champion along with many others. And yama arashi is his favorite technique. He teaches it like the way you see it in most of these youtube videos. The only part that slightly resembles yama arashi in this video is where the right foot ends up in the tsukuri. This version of the throw seems much more harmful than good. because its very easily countered (as there is no kuzushi whatsoever)
So your version is not Yama Arashi, as recognised by the creators of Yama Arashi. Shiro Saigo's version was taken from Ju Jitsu and is not either of the throws demonstrated in your video. It is however demonstrated in this video. quite a big difference.
Can't link it for some reason, search for the Real Yama Arashi.
I suppose you have to ask yourself, what is the source? Where did the throw come from. Once you have found the origin, then you can assess the accuracy of the technique. The following three types come from kodokan.org The site openly recognises the Jujitsu heritage.
(Type 1) Tori puts right hand against Uke's right chest (Yamaarashi)
(Type 2) Stick Tori's right elbow under Uke's right arm pit to execute Yamaarashi. (Type 3) Shiro Saigo's (6th dan) Yamaarashi
if your going to try this throw and put it on youtube please get the thing right first. The throw you actually done looked more like a haraI goshi rather than a yama arashi. ive seen a 14 year old do this throw better than you.
@CadetGormanMSCC If "your" going to post comments then at least post them in English. I've seen four year olds spell better than you.
Back on subject, that's what's interesting in the debate here; look at the comments here - some will agree with you, some side with me. It's all interesting stuff.
@CadetGormanMSCC you saw the watered down judo version...this is an offshoot of the Jujitsu version of the throw...still not right though...but a case could be made that he is trying not to kill the Uke...
@TheJohnnysantos Thanks for that. If it's still not right that may be because we aren't actually very good at it. We only posted on YouTube as a central place for discussion on this throw on a forum, not to show off or teach the technique. I'm starting to take my YouTube channel much more seriously (hence some of the recent instructional videos) so may well re-film this at some point.
if this really is meant to throw in a randori or shiai, i am highly skeptical that it will work without using brute strength. and also , i notice when you start to go under the ukes arm that the wrist of your left hand is in a very vunerable state. and like many other comments, where is the kuzushi?
@PooJiraiya I agree that it wouldn't work "in real life." We did it simply because it was a challenging throw that was different to our normal repetoire. The Kuzushi is evidentlty absent and I welcome tips on improving the throw. I should add that this throw wasn't added to YouTube for the sake of impressive demonstration, I added it because there was some debate as to what "Yama Arashi" actually was, as justified by the comments here. It was just a central place to post the video and comment.
This is yama arashi, at least the same variant as I have seen in the book "Dynamic Aikido" by Gozo Shioda. My sensei has used this very throw on me and I must say that if done properly this throw is very painful, and effective, the arm can be broken easily. But this guy in the video is performing it awfully of course. The uke's hand should not slide down like this.
seems like you were just rushing the move. I was always taught you pull uke and when he tries to go back you go with him and push up and than do the move. you just flipped his arm around and no kazushi.
@greenbay357 If it DON'T (doesn't, actually) look like NO..., then you mean that it DOES look like Yama Arashi? Would you like to describe the problem with the technique?
@Momoyama79 The last throw looks like some kind of Morote Tai Otoshi as he doesn't reap the leg. And your throw I can't really describe in Judo terms LOL. For one Yama arashi is performed with a grip on the sleeve and lapel of the same side. The key to the throw is a down up movement. Pulling Uke down, he resists and pulls up, you ad to his upward movement and rotate under him, with both hands pulling/pushing up you reap his leg and finish with your hands pulling him over and into the mat.
Yama-arashi by Alex-Dayou-ryu Ju-Jitsu have a look at this young kids version of yama arashi its probably one of the best demos your gonna see thanks again be positive people
like kaiten says lock the ukes arm next to your ear and take hold of his arm with both your hands lock the arm out and throw him over your shoulder heaven and earth throw make his feet go as high in the air as poss hope this helps aiki jujutsu practitioner 17 yrs now
may I suggest, that when slipping under Uke's arm, you get closer in to them, drop your centre well below theirs, and when throwing dont let them slip off to the side, but take Uke right over your shoulder, be sure they dont land on their head though, to enusre this pull up and extend, but be sure to extend more, I shall post a vid of how to soon.
What's in a name? I think those against are completely missing the point. Many schools gave miss leading names to their techniques to confuse 'technique thieves' from other schools who might get hold of a syllabus or overhear a conversation, so one schools Yama Arashi could be completely different to another as is in the case between the one used by the Kodokan and the same name, but different technique used by Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. It's the technique that's important, not what it's called :)
nah i disagree, it taint yama arashi. hes got the wrong grip and he doesnt reli sweep th leg away - he just wheels him over his leg like you would an o guruma.
the basic principle is wrong - it should be a morote eri seionage with a harai goshi leg sweep, but he looks like hes doin a bad o goshi
This shape of Yama Arashi has been shown me by Minoru MOCHIZUKI (10° dan) who was therefore one of the helpers of Jigoro KANO I think that it must be the good.
This version first appeared after a japanese movie called Sugata Sanshiro and, althogh very different from the original throw created by Shiro Saigo, it´s also called yama arashi
According to one of our senior Coaches (originally trained in the Kito Ryu, it is). According to my friend filming it, who is from a different style to me, it is.
Well I have been coaching for a few years now.
and in my opinion this is something else.
Yama arashi:- is fundementaly a transition from a two handed defensive stance (one grip on sleeve other on same side lapel) into a fast seonagi style throw, the arashi part is meant to be sweeping the ankle from the front to rear
kewelguy 6 months ago
we should ask our jujutsu friends about this throw. they have more connections to it than us
RacoonBurglar 6 months ago
wtf....this dont is yama arashi,this is a joke?
bffx 7 months ago
@bffx I'm sorry, what language is that? Google translate doesn't recognise it.
Momoyama79 7 months ago
@bffx this is a variation of the Original Jujitsu Yama Arashi which was in fact a fatal technique...in the original, when done properly the opponents arm is broken and before that fact registers in the brain...they land on their head and break their neck...The Judo version is considerably different since judo was created to be a sport...in essence they took alot of the Fatal stuff out of jujitsu, added a point system and some rules and thats where ya got Judo...so yeah...
TheJohnnysantos 3 months ago
this isnt even close to yama arashi
rushfan000 7 months ago
@rushfan000 Some folks on here disagree. I must depend on what you think "yama arashi" is.
Momoyama79 7 months ago
@Momoyama79 my sensei is Roy Nanjo. He is a USA national judo coach. He's beaten the Korean national champion along with many others. And yama arashi is his favorite technique. He teaches it like the way you see it in most of these youtube videos. The only part that slightly resembles yama arashi in this video is where the right foot ends up in the tsukuri. This version of the throw seems much more harmful than good. because its very easily countered (as there is no kuzushi whatsoever)
rushfan000 7 months ago
So your version is not Yama Arashi, as recognised by the creators of Yama Arashi. Shiro Saigo's version was taken from Ju Jitsu and is not either of the throws demonstrated in your video. It is however demonstrated in this video. quite a big difference.
Can't link it for some reason, search for the Real Yama Arashi.
smudgeofLondon 9 months ago
I suppose you have to ask yourself, what is the source? Where did the throw come from. Once you have found the origin, then you can assess the accuracy of the technique. The following three types come from kodokan.org The site openly recognises the Jujitsu heritage.
(Type 1) Tori puts right hand against Uke's right chest (Yamaarashi)
(Type 2) Stick Tori's right elbow under Uke's right arm pit to execute Yamaarashi. (Type 3) Shiro Saigo's (6th dan) Yamaarashi
see site for full description.
smudgeofLondon 9 months ago
@SAMURAAAAI Deleted as this is a family-friendly channel.
Momoyama79 9 months ago
if your going to try this throw and put it on youtube please get the thing right first. The throw you actually done looked more like a haraI goshi rather than a yama arashi. ive seen a 14 year old do this throw better than you.
CadetGormanMSCC 10 months ago
@CadetGormanMSCC If "your" going to post comments then at least post them in English. I've seen four year olds spell better than you.
Back on subject, that's what's interesting in the debate here; look at the comments here - some will agree with you, some side with me. It's all interesting stuff.
Momoyama79 9 months ago
@CadetGormanMSCC you saw the watered down judo version...this is an offshoot of the Jujitsu version of the throw...still not right though...but a case could be made that he is trying not to kill the Uke...
TheJohnnysantos 3 months ago
@TheJohnnysantos Thanks for that. If it's still not right that may be because we aren't actually very good at it. We only posted on YouTube as a central place for discussion on this throw on a forum, not to show off or teach the technique. I'm starting to take my YouTube channel much more seriously (hence some of the recent instructional videos) so may well re-film this at some point.
Momoyama79 3 months ago
This looks more like Sode Tsuri komi goshi
ClemoAden 11 months ago
if this really is meant to throw in a randori or shiai, i am highly skeptical that it will work without using brute strength. and also , i notice when you start to go under the ukes arm that the wrist of your left hand is in a very vunerable state. and like many other comments, where is the kuzushi?
PooJiraiya 1 year ago
@PooJiraiya I agree that it wouldn't work "in real life." We did it simply because it was a challenging throw that was different to our normal repetoire. The Kuzushi is evidentlty absent and I welcome tips on improving the throw. I should add that this throw wasn't added to YouTube for the sake of impressive demonstration, I added it because there was some debate as to what "Yama Arashi" actually was, as justified by the comments here. It was just a central place to post the video and comment.
Momoyama79 1 year ago
This is yama arashi, at least the same variant as I have seen in the book "Dynamic Aikido" by Gozo Shioda. My sensei has used this very throw on me and I must say that if done properly this throw is very painful, and effective, the arm can be broken easily. But this guy in the video is performing it awfully of course. The uke's hand should not slide down like this.
xs1313 1 year ago
I don't know what that was but at least it's not Judo Yama Arashi.
johell999 1 year ago
if this is Yama Arashi, I'm a flying donkey!!!!!
gianluca3975 1 year ago 9
@gianluca3975 Ah, I thought I could hear the distant sound of intermittent flapping and braying. That's what you get for cross-breeding with dragons.
Momoyama79 1 year ago
Just for the sake of trying a challenging throw
Momoyama79 1 year ago
is this supposed to be used as slef defense, or in shiai?
PooJiraiya 1 year ago
seems like you were just rushing the move. I was always taught you pull uke and when he tries to go back you go with him and push up and than do the move. you just flipped his arm around and no kazushi.
greenbay357 1 year ago
@greenbay357 I can't imagine what you're describing, sorry. Still, that's a useful response. Thank you.
Momoyama79 1 year ago
That don;t look like no yama arashi to me. Infact he has terrible technique.
greenbay357 1 year ago
@greenbay357 If it DON'T (doesn't, actually) look like NO..., then you mean that it DOES look like Yama Arashi? Would you like to describe the problem with the technique?
Momoyama79 1 year ago
@Momoyama79 The last throw looks like some kind of Morote Tai Otoshi as he doesn't reap the leg. And your throw I can't really describe in Judo terms LOL. For one Yama arashi is performed with a grip on the sleeve and lapel of the same side. The key to the throw is a down up movement. Pulling Uke down, he resists and pulls up, you ad to his upward movement and rotate under him, with both hands pulling/pushing up you reap his leg and finish with your hands pulling him over and into the mat.
Magurczek 1 year ago
nope not yama arashi
ezpariah 2 years ago
yamaarashi21: that's very useful. Thank you. You do take some deciphering, though!
Momoyama79 2 years ago
Yama-arashi by Alex-Dayou-ryu Ju-Jitsu have a look at this young kids version of yama arashi its probably one of the best demos your gonna see thanks again be positive people
yamaarashi21 2 years ago
like kaiten says lock the ukes arm next to your ear and take hold of his arm with both your hands lock the arm out and throw him over your shoulder heaven and earth throw make his feet go as high in the air as poss hope this helps aiki jujutsu practitioner 17 yrs now
yamaarashi21 2 years ago
It's not the Kodokan Yama Arashi, which requires both grips to be on the sweeping side.
I don't get the emotional attachment people give to this rather antiquated throw, but it is normal for any throw to have multiple variations. . .
saltyseaweed 2 years ago
If you call it Yama Arashi, its Yama Arashi. Danzan Ryu Yama Arashi is different also, so no big deal.
hkdharmon 2 years ago
this is not yama arashi..
Apzen 2 years ago
may I suggest, that when slipping under Uke's arm, you get closer in to them, drop your centre well below theirs, and when throwing dont let them slip off to the side, but take Uke right over your shoulder, be sure they dont land on their head though, to enusre this pull up and extend, but be sure to extend more, I shall post a vid of how to soon.
kaiten34 2 years ago
Thank you, Kaiten. That's very useful
Momoyama79 2 years ago
THIS IS NOT YAMA ARASHI.
mayari2008 2 years ago
Five-four against, then.
Momoyama79 2 years ago
That's a very interesting perspective. Thank you for that input.
Momoyama79 2 years ago
What's in a name? I think those against are completely missing the point. Many schools gave miss leading names to their techniques to confuse 'technique thieves' from other schools who might get hold of a syllabus or overhear a conversation, so one schools Yama Arashi could be completely different to another as is in the case between the one used by the Kodokan and the same name, but different technique used by Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. It's the technique that's important, not what it's called :)
tjbailey2 2 years ago
Out of eight comments, I make it four in favour of it being Yama Arashi and four against. Interesting.
Momoyama79 2 years ago
nah i disagree, it taint yama arashi. hes got the wrong grip and he doesnt reli sweep th leg away - he just wheels him over his leg like you would an o guruma.
the basic principle is wrong - it should be a morote eri seionage with a harai goshi leg sweep, but he looks like hes doin a bad o goshi
jimmy1t 2 years ago 2
I HATE ARMCHAIR MARTIAL ARTISTS.
This is Yama Arashi. It's slightly different to how we were taught, but it's fundamentally the same.
jl5000 2 years ago
This is Yama Arashi.
heathfieldsci 2 years ago
THIS IS NOT YAMA ARASHI!!!
ezpariah 2 years ago 2
This shape of Yama Arashi has been shown me by Minoru MOCHIZUKI (10° dan) who was therefore one of the helpers of Jigoro KANO I think that it must be the good.
Jean-Paul BINDEL
8° dan Ryukyu-Kenpo (under George DILLMAN)
7°dan Ju-Jitsu (under Minoru MOCHIZUKI)
TOREIKAN 3 years ago
This version first appeared after a japanese movie called Sugata Sanshiro and, althogh very different from the original throw created by Shiro Saigo, it´s also called yama arashi
resapili 3 years ago
The first or second versions?
According to one of our senior Coaches (originally trained in the Kito Ryu, it is). According to my friend filming it, who is from a different style to me, it is.
It's one variation.
Momoyama79 3 years ago
i don't think that is yama arasi
mamoruVSdaeho 3 years ago 8
yeah..me too
renancfc 3 years ago 3