These resources are being exploited in the last natural landscape let alone the world oldest rain-forest that is now still barely intact will all be destroyed in BC.let alone the pipelines that will also destroy everything. I'm a fly fisherman and I know these rivers are at risk and most likely wiping out that entire fishery and all other wildlife will be lost and for what? SAY NO TO SHELL Now you see why Canada will not sign with the new Kyoto agreements. This is sick and not right.
That was why the crushed Biafra in 1967-1970 Nigeria Biafra war. They wanted the oil. They took it and ended the people up in disaster. Saro Wiwa was so myopic that he supported the federals at that time. Even when traditional ruler all stood for Biafra. He paid for it with his life and was killed by exactly those he supported during a war to liberate his own people from enemies armies and oil hungry world powers.Lessons for history.
Hillary Clinton is the eldest of three and has two YOUNGER brothers. I think this is the reason why she is so powerful. We need more Hillarys and (Meryl Streeps, who is of the same birth order) don't you think? So if your first child happens to be a girl, and your second child a boy, then have a third child. Hopefully he is a boy.
Some pretty bold statements in here with no scientific proof to back things up. Your coalbed methane facts are complete lies. I see the local natives have been brainwashed to believe 70% unemployment is a good thing. Fucking environmentalist hypocrites. Would you prefer you fuel to come from Nigeria or Iraq? Way to use blasting footage from colorado.. real accurate. idiots.
and which east? east central or south east or south south?
Which people of the region? Ogoni? Kalabari? Which side of Ogoni? As you can see the divisions get smaller and smaller until you have village against village and family vs family. Its ridiculous. Time to realize that you are part of a country not just your fathers house.
@bruin03 ,you are completely right probably either in one way or the order way .but at least oil belong to couple of states from south south ,south east .
sHELL... and similiar corporate business are cancer between all of us, sometimes it is so close that neighbourhood is on fire:(
SAVE THE FUEL! Be environment-friendly, our children need health Earth. Less oil, less coal, less trash in our households - this is target to achieve very soon.
The invention of capitalism is greatest man made distruction of our time, this philosophy have done more harm to Earth and our natural habitat than any other idea in history. If people before them have this idea and never think about our beautiful Earth, then our generation will never have met nothing. The Earth continue to bleed and Enveronmental pollution is rising more and more. Just because of materialistic philosophy and western addiction to glamour. There is always an end to everything.
Why don't you mind your own business and you think just because your not the tree fucking bitch that has the money shell got from contracts,your hatin on someone thats making money and it is not ilegal what they are doing so why don't you feed your kids cow dung you nature lovin cow fucker.
Please.......... This is propaganda. This is the problem of the Nigerians and the Nigerian Government. They want money, they sell oil, they don't care about standards or what happens to their own people. Leave Nigeria alone, as a Nigerian, we have a government, let them take responsibility for their actions.
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Contacting Shell will do little, you will be dished off to their public relations office and it will end there. Instead we should try bring the CEOs and Project Managers of these juggernauts up on murder charges for the deaths theyve had a hand in. This is the only way to stop these companies. They may not care about you or the envirmnent but hold these guys responcible and they ll move to save their own skins everytime, and maybe think twice about unrestricted exploitation of our world.
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ALL of you need to take some BEFORE/AFTER pictures of the basin and then take a trip to Nigeria to see what Shell is doing for the people there. I visited Port Harcourt and felt the pollution, saw the pollution and smelled the oil in the air. Shell went back on and continue to defy their promise to protect the environment in Nigeria. Do we want this for our beloved Canada? Do we want to let Shell spoil our land and then jet home with $ in their pockets? Our gov't had better be prepared!
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Shell has operated in your beloved Canada for over 50 years. You want before and after pictures? I can do that, I have built many CBM sites on sensitive native prairie, the permantaly disturbed area is about 3m2 on the rest the soils and vegetation is still intact. Even in forested land I can show you reclamation projects where you would never know any thing was done, the trees are smaller yes, but give them 20 years and people like you will be clamoring for it to be a protected natural area
Around 2:50 on the video I notice that old native woman wearing store bought clothes, if the natives are so into their roots and tradition why is she not wearing hides, mocassins and traditional clothing. Or do they even know how to make them anymore? Natives seem to want all the benifits of the new world clothes, cars, modern firearms and fishing nets, houses built with our tax dollars yet they claim to want thing the way they were. It would seem NOT!
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Obviously you don't know Canadian history. Natives were shipped off to residential schools so they could be assimilated within "Canadian" culture. The Canadian government tried to kill their culture; genocide. They were quite happy wearing "traditional clothing" until the government forced them into suits and "store bought clothes". Now that they fight to be able to return to more traditional ways of life, which you seem to advocate,you also support the destruction of their means to do this
I think you missed my point. The natives were put into these schools and what not upwards of 100+ years ago, today there is nothing stopping them from making traditional clothing and hunting and fishing with traditional means, which they do not do.
Do you eat, do you drink water, do you breath the air? Did you even consider the fact that what they are doing is irreversable? Do you live in this area? No, so what do you care about? Another case of beer? Can't make beer without drinking water? Or did you know that?
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SHELL CANCELS 2008 EXPLORATION PROGRAM.
thanks to all the support, native and non native alike. The Tahltan Elders are having there 3rd Headwaters Gathering Aug 22,23,24,25 2008. This year should be a awesome party with such good news,one more step closer to Victory !!!
Hope there is a big bar-b-que, nothing like propane and propane accessories, please don't burn wood in the campfires (sequestered carbon don't you know) Hope everyone drives a vehicle, preferably one for every elder, nothing like gas to get you where you want to go. Most of all I hope I can contribute in some small way to the party, somehow as a working tax paying Canadian I think I already have. So please have a drink on me. I guess its back to Nigeria for Shell, where the business is easier.
What!?!...I'm serious... SOMEONE has to pay the taxes to make this land the liberal environmental, aboriginal placating, motherland (Ahem..motherEARTH) that we all know and love....keep beating us into submission...then learn Chinese because they will be your real masters soon enough...I am hurt someone voted that last comment down.
After the logging slowed down to a trickle over there I thought you would welcome the chance for your people to have employment and be able to start buisinesses and prosper. But I guess being native it doesn't matter the govornment (my tax dollars) will pay for everything you and the rest of your tribe will ever need. Like all the free houses you get that don't last 10 years before you have them destroyed. Shell will be back, and next time I hope they can develop this valuable resource.
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It is obvious from your argument that the only reason you hope this area is developed is for your stereotypical view and racist disdain for persons with a First Nations background. Believe it or not, there are actually a lot of "good white people" that are against this project as well. And no, we are not all tree huggers with ratty dreadlocks and smell of patchouli.
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Supporters include loggers, hunting and fishing outfitters and guides; all people who I'm sure fit into your view of what a good strong and white Canadian male should look like. Not all areas that contain natural resources need to be developed. These areas are not only valuable because they contain these resources and it is too bad that people can't look past the ends of their noses, or their jacked up F-350s, to see this.
The true value is intrinsic and inherent in the area itself. The true value of these headwaters to the west coast of North America are much more than any value Shell Canada could place on it or profit from it. As such it is priceless and should be left alone.
Whose land is sacred? I am going to start a group or "tribe" if you will to protest the habiation of the greater metropolitan area of Vancouver. Some of my ancestors came from that place, the current residents have sullied and despoiled the land. I want them all out, they are not protecting it in a way I decided is best. You have absolutely no reason to argue with me because I am right and you are wrong. The true value is intrinsic and inherent to the area itself, as such it is priceless.
Lets break that down loggers- they have little or no understanding of the enviornment just look at their cutblocks and the mess left behind. Guides for hunting and fishing are only interested in their own profit and could care less about the animals, fish, or the residents that have the rights to harvest these animals or fish, or the enviornment, from my experiences.
So what you are arguing is that all supporters of resource extraction and industrial development drive "jacked up" F350's, are white, are male and if I read into your pithy points correctly...must be Redneck's? Wow I didn't know that environmentalists (of which you certainly are, I just have to assume that) were so biased by their own stereotypical views of people they don't agree with.
When are truths racist? Why are basic facts that are common to so many reserves so un-politically correct when they are pointed out? And why is the commenter labelled a racist? I have worked on them, around them and some of my family came from them. Reserves are what they are and until the defacto dictatorships called chief and council are outlawed the nepotism won't stop and the poverty will not end.
Great, I got thumbed down because someone doesn't know what "nepotism" means. Let me dumb it down for you: It means the Chiefs and their families steal and misappropriate the money meant for their tribes welfare. They take several trips per year at Indian and Northern Affairs expense to attend conventions and fact finding tours only to golf their time away and stay in the finest hotels. I know several who do it all the time, its a way of life, maybe even a new "traditional" way of life.
So she leaves her tank empty until the next gas station.
Canada's oil industry faces some of the toughest, and ethically strong regulation in the world. We should be using more Canadian oil and gas and minimizing our use of dirty oil and gas from conflict regions.
We can't run on empty forever and we must fuel up somewhere.
Hmm...and here I thought "Mother Earth" was the name of a magazine. Further decline in salmon habitat, decline in salmon numbers and what will DFO do? Blame 1st Nations' fishing.
have you ever seen how the first nations fish? Take a drive to the Hazeltons and you will see native with pick up trucks loaded with fish that they try to sell to the whites and tourists, the fish that do not sell they dump out of their trucks onto the ground and walk away to get more the next day and start all over again, very wastefull people, always have been and always will be. Look at the houses over there on the reserves they are built with our tax dollars and r thrashed within few years
Before you get trashed for podting that Clay, Ive got one that can't be disputed: In the 1960's A Bison herd was brought into Pink Mountain by a local rancher, after sometime this man lost custody of the herd and it was forfieted to the crown, the herd grew until in the 90's a cull was undertaken to thin them out. Soon aboriginals staked a claim based on cultural and historical use...They were given the first pick while the rest of the citizenry had to enter a draw. Lo and behold they...(con't)
(con't)...sold the rights to their Souix cousins from the States. The herd was decimated and wasted, everything was shot, didn't matter if it was cow-calf or immature bulls...it set that herd back so much so that the draw portion of the hunt was cancelled for the law abiding hunters.....I'm thinking you may get some nasty comments for speaking out....I can't see how some of the enviro's that post on here can be taken seriously, they live in the city and don't know too much.
That bison herd is still there and there are limited entry draws for them every year. Or is this a different herd you speak of. Thank you for adding another positive spin on this site.
Been out of that part of the country for awile, I knew the herd was still there but was not aware that it had been opened up again. The fact remains that the natives got first pick and were hunting from vehicles.
I enjoy debating these guys. It amazes me that they think sacred is only out in the wilderness. Everyone of us lives on someone-elses's land if you want to believe the here first arguement. When landclaims and native rights come to the cities ( and its close just look at Ontairio and the housing blockade )then you might hear them singing a different tune.
We can't all be doctors, lawyers, bankers, or work for Starbucks! Maybe if it was their jobs/communities/livelyhod they would have different ideas! I bought every house/property that I lived in same as my dad and my grandfather fought in the war to keep us free... so how did I take anything from anybody? if you have a problem with what happened years ago dig up those responsible for selling you out and take it up with them, leave me my tax dollars and my livelyhood out of it!!
Yes they were I saw them with my own eyes in the winter when the bison head down to the lowlands by the rivers they were slaughtered by the natives off of oil patch related roads that whites are not allowed to use for hunting, or even carry firearms in their vehicles.
Mother Earth? I think you know exactly what I meant by that, the constant coaching by the environmentalists to the natives, pretty soon the natives start using the same catch phrases, whether subliminaly or on purpose. Seems like culture training to me...
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You and that other person can pat each other on the ass all day ong if you want.Because some natives may have done something stupid.But we all live on this planet and I don't ike seeing mountains blown up and I don't like poisin in my water.I'm funny like that.If this is the only way to get gas,i'd rather go back to riding a horse.Its funny how petroleum companies can rob you bind not only of your money but also your natural resources.And you defend them as if they gave a rats ass about you.
I actually laughed when I read this. You get on that high horse or try to get off it just as soon as you can. I actually work in this business why don't you show me this poisoned water. Oil companies robbing me blind? The oil industry is the only thing keeping Canada out of recession (or depression) right now and I am sure that is not that far off the truth for the USA as well. Its called supply and demand. Stealing natural resources? Are they never to be used then?
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congratulations you have a job.I've seen how the oil companies mine for that black sand that contains oil.They have to blow up thousands of acres of land.And it needs to be much more heavily refined to extract the oil from the sand.Where do you suppose all those chemiclas go ?
I won't have to show you where the water is poisined or the air either.when your dropping dead from cancer you'll know exactly where those poisins went.
Can't wait until my laptop comes with wooden keys and plywood hard drive. Tell you what surfer you give up everything made possible by hyrocarbon extraction then send me a picture. Wish I had faith that you do in the dreamworld you are living in. Thought the discussion had to do with CBM wells, show me the poisoned water.The oil sands are what they are. Don't suppose anyone told you cancer rates were on the rise ever since the Peace River was dammed 35 years ago and the natural flood cycle lost
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The only resources humans need can be made with far more natural products in far less destructive ways and its the oil companies and the subsidies the government gives them that prevent these things from taking root. Corporations have no conscience, they think profit, profit, profit. I'm in BC and canada in a depression would certainly snap this nation out of its political apathy, which may to be to little to late anyways. Enjoy your 51st state.
Tell that to Kinder-Morgan, pipelining through Jasper National Park right now, going above and beyond, spending many extra millions to prove that the oil industry can do its work and leave a national treasure better off than it was before. Or tell it to the past president of an oil company I worked for who now works for Chevron, donated both his time and money to the United Way, still does. Ya corporations and the people who run them are the epitomy of evil.
So how long until you turn in your car for a horse? They WERE are resources until the govornment (on our behalf) sold them for large sums of money that help run our beautiful province. These companies then gain the right to explore and develop these resources and in doing so pay more money to the govornment for what they extract as well as employ a good part of the whole country, as people from every province travel to work in the oilpatch No oilpatch work = loss of work nation wide
I don't quite understand the reference to the government as a joint venture partner that is implicit or in "cohoots" (my word) with big oil. The government is us, native and non-native, the rights to drill are granted on behalf of the people of BC. Do the wishes of minorities outweigh the needs and social benefit that development brings to all? We can't have little "nations" all over the country or we are not a country. There need to be a balance and give and take on both sides.
Unfortunately many government decisions are more often implemented with corporate interests in mind. The SPP meetings are such an example. Closed to the public our government leaders meet with corporate leaders and together make decisions that effect the environment and all of us, without democratic debate.
I find it unreal that 'you don't understand how government can be in 'cohoots' with Big Oil' The US is basically run by Oil Interests and Stephen Harper wants to cosy up to Bush as much as he can. Hence we are trying to strengthen our ties with the US by lowering our standards in health and safety (ex pesticide levels on food) to increase cross border commerce - not for the better of our health mind you. It's happening and it's all very concerning.
The reality, is that you get what you vote for. In our case majority rules. One of the resons I moved out of BC was because of that. The NDP socialist mindset was not for me. The other reality is that the US is our biggest trading partner and has been for a long time. I don't buy the view that Harper is cozying up to anyone, it is simply business as usual as it has been forever.
If you were involved in this industry as I am you would see that the environmental standards are not being lowered, far from it. Standards and requirements have been raised to such a level that it is getting harder and more expensive to do business. I should know, I have watched it occur over time.
The views you and many others on this post have expressed can be found on any anti-globalzation, anarchist or environmental movements website. I prefer to keep an open mind and not narrow my view through the biasis'of other peoples agendas. The question I have is whos land is sacred? It doesn't matter where you live at some point someone is going to be upset. For the environmentalist living in Vancouver or any city I ask who was there before? Are you sure it wasn't someones sacred land?
I have a big problem with any group calling themselves the first inhabitants and therefore the owners of their land or "nation". These natives are not the first, only the latest. Did you know that the Navajo in Arizona speak of a time that they were moved forcibly off their Alberta land by the Blackfeet. So who do we deal with in regard to landclaims, should it not be the ones who were the "first"?
Can't believe someone would thumb that down, whats the matter, no one heard of Kennewick man? How about the Meadowcroft archaelogical site? Solutrean influence? I guess the people who view this video like to believe the myth that the natives were first. How many know that the term "Motherearth" is a fabrication of the environmental agenda and no native elder has heard of or used the term.
I have worked in the oil and gas industry for the past 18 years, I have built sites and I have reclaimed sites. To say CBM regulation is a "murky" commitment to best practices is simply untrue. CBM wells are governed by the same rules as conventional wells. Operational and reclamation standards are stringent to say the least. In regard to disruptions to wildlife, I frequently encounter wildlife during my work day the assumption that habitat is destroyed and animals leave the area is again untrue
The title of the video is posed as a question. Sophisticated viewers will interpret it as a provocative statement that draws parallels between the two situations. Clearly, the two situations are not in every way equivalent. For example - the BC government is every bit as enthusiastic about CBM in the Headwaters as Nigeria's government is for oil development in the Delta, albeit for dramatically different reasons and for different objectives.
CBM development does not need a large footprint per well, there are many ways to reduce it further. Heliportable drilling rigs, centralized compression,downhole water disposal and minimal disturbance access routing to name just a few.
There is a limit to mitigating technologies such as you mention. An economically viable CBM project in the Headwaters will be BIG. The range of possible total footprints will depend on technology and practice but there is no way to develop this resource with an impact and footprint that is acceptable to those who depend on its wilderness services (e.g. populations of migrating, sensitive mammals).
Environmental standards are only as good as the govenment that holds power, To operate in Nigeria Shell follows the rules laid down by the ruling Junta. To say that they will then come into BC and operate the same way is very irresponsible and I think the makers of this video know that, but they use it to inflame public opinion.
The question then becomes how does a company legitimize its presence or operation in a region where it is fully aware that the government isn't doing as it should? How can a company morally or ethically legitimize doing nothing about e.g. fixing leaky pipelines in a timely manner or eliminating flaring by pointing the finger at the government joint venture partner? This is giving in to the lowest common denominator.
So what you're saying is that Shell will follow the rules in place even though they know they aren't stiff enough to protect the fish and the communities downstream. I believe you're right with that statement. Do I trust that they will put the environment before any cost that isn't in the rules, like you I don't.
Why all the assumptions as to what Shell or any other corporation knows? Instead of passionate ignorance why not take a look at the rules, regulations and gudelines that have been set out already? I can assure anyone that they are extensive. Visit the Federal and Provincial environment websites and look for the applicable rules and regulations. For anyone wondering: I am not employed by "BIG" oil. I work for many little or "junior" oil companies. People just trying to make living.
I was replying to was what you said about Nigeria. According to your post Shell was following Nigeria's lax environmental laws knowing that they didn't meet current acceptable standards. Knowing this would you call Shell's procedures in Nigeria ethical?
I don't feel the need to be politically correct: I really don't care what Shell does or doesn't do in Africa, the whole continent is a lost cause anyway. Is Coca-cola ethical when it enters third world markets to sell a product that is not healthy? I don't care about that either, my point is that the makers of this video insinuate that Shell will use the same practices in North America that they do in Nigeria and that is just plain wrong.
your comment is quite insulting and racist... a lost cause? no. a developing sector of the world, and to say that it makes a diffrence where shell uses its dangerous practises africa or north america is racist its all the same planet, no diffrence between africa and north america in the sence its peoples lives bein ruined aswell as the planet...
Like I said I don't feel the need to be politicaly correct and I am not a do-gooder on a neverending quest for utopia. You call me racist I say I am a realist. Show me different.
As far as propaganda goes this is pretty good as far as the facts are concerned not so much. This is not the Powder River Basin, disharge of any toxic/salt water is simply not permitted in most jurisdictions in Canada, I work around CBM. The Tahltan could benifit greatly if they took a partnership role in developing this resource. We have some of the most comprehensive environmental standards in the world. With their help this could be a model for future co-operative efforts,
Our CBM standards to date are nothing more than a commitment to follow 'best-practices'. Besides a commitment to not surface-discharge water those practices remain murky. E.g. what is the community consultation 'best-practice' - if the Tahltan and other affected communities and First Nations decide 'NO', what is their recourse to manifest that?
Sub-surface disposal, as you also must know, is not an exact science, and accidental migrations of
When we become violent the establishment knows how to control us. We can resist the expansion of destructive industrial forces without the use of violence or words. Politics and economics are tools used to complicate matters that are at their core, quite simple. Resistance now but not forever.
I personally am a pretty right-leaning person, conservative with strong libertarian roots. I believe in free markets and less government involvement. BUT, less government involvement means people have to be responsible and accountable for themselves. Shell is in no way being responsible and with the stacks of wealth they sit on, I fear nothing will stop them. Will people have to resort to terrorism in order to claim their right to survive in a liveable environment?
Money buys justice and government, which is why government regulation is bad, the corporations with more money just shell out (no pun intended) tons of money to lobby government and control regulation in their favor. If the only solution is indeed regulation in this case, it should be done on a local level under de-centralized institutions.
But then again, this world is so fked up, doubt anything will stop them. Kinda wish we had the balls of muslims to blow ourselves up on shell's buildings.
pff you guys are such a nerds and retarted like hell..... you people only think shell = Co2 yea lets boycott it i really feel smart between people like you guys and im freaking 16
No, because you're "Dad" is too busy in Nigeria to teach you about Economics. Moron may have been a harsh statement, but it's better to find these things out when you're still young and foolhardy.
Hey BrammD looks like we shut another one down by trying to get them to explain themselves. Everyone likes to mouth off but they don't know anything about the oil or gas industry or have the brains to back up what they are saying!!
just a quick note you forgot the "C" in victory and the "Y" in yours, thank you and have a good day. Keep warm tonight with some of my NG and be sure you top up the car with my gas before you head out on your next trip.
clayoilpatchman is right start by yourself if..and not right way to "boycot" a multinational concern...it wont work =P Shell gone and other concern takes it over.. and i know alot about because my dad works in Nigeria, Bonny Island. I know how the situation is and all =) not bad for a 16 year old kid haha ;)
Don't feel bad with a thumbs down look below I got 2 of them at once!! Sounds like this guy doesn't have a lot to say when we ask about the fuel they need. They never comment on that!! wierd!! Typical of people that don't have a clue about where the fuel they use comes from...if they don't like it quit using it, put your money where your mouth is!! why not drill a geothermal well to heat your house instead of NG?? Thanks BrammD at least somebody else has a clue of how the real world works!!
Dear clayoilpatchman: The thumbs down was given because individual consumers have essentially zero power to influence the design and future of their provincial or national energy infrastructure. No amount of putting my money where my mouth is would solve this problem - and it is naive to think it would.
I am sorry but I think you missed my points 1)if you believe individual comsumers have no power why are you asking people to boycot Shell? 2) What have you done to decrease your carbon footprint? got rid of the car yet? drilled your own geothermal well for heat? So many people think that they can do nothing but it all starts with the first steps of individuals doing what they can to decrease their footprint and my questions/suggestions are not unreasonable to someone who is commited!
lol naabs shell gone = no more gas for you, then what smaller companies come like mobile? what protest against them so they'll be gone also? its no use they provide gas for your house and car so you can go anywhere you want.....people aww co2 this co2 but they keep using more...if shell is gone demands go up and the delivery is lower and then big crisis will and up in wars. only because there is no more gas deliveries....
divide and conquer,then pay the "law" inforcement to kill off any protests. that seems to be the m.o. very few arrests,but heavy on the intimidation, and harrasment front. arrests mean courts, and shell do`nt like courts. there has to be a worldwide boycott of shell,protests at petrol stations,embassies,company buildings, etc. use all forms of media, local, national, to get the message across. theres at least 3 countries now, were shell have a disputed presence. we need to unite.
You people should look into the regulations and what actualy goes on with CBM. I work in the industry and it is as green as it gets, there are no problems with ground water or wildlife. I see wildlife by my wellsites all the time and the population of them has flourished since we started in the area because of the better food sources. Stop your fear mongering and if this is truely the way you feel unhook you gas line from your house and quit driving your car and anything else that burns fuel!
The environmental regulations in Nigeria don't even compare to those in BC. Flaring of gas does not occur anywhere in Canada. A reclamation plan is required BEFORE DRILLING EVEN BEGINS!
Also, coal bed methane extraction is not "one of the planets most destructive forms of resource extraction." As a resident of BC I take pride in pristine wilderness of our province. But i also enjoy the luxury of having my house heated and being able to turn the lights on with the flick of a switch.
Coalbed Methane has 10 times the footprint of conventional natural gas extraction. It produces toxic water, and disrupts wildlife habitat with extensive networks of pipelines, roads and noisy compressors.
This is an area many first nations in BC consider sacred. It's like drilling for oil under the Temple Mount or Sistine Chapel.
Shell is trampling on aboriginal rights (again) and on the environment.
How is it that you think CBM has 10 times the footprint of conventional gas? Clearly these claims are coming from people who have no idea about CBM or conventional gas production. Please give an explanation of the 10 time footprint comment. Go CBM Go!! CBM the most enviormentaly sound gas production there is!!!
This is getting ridiculous - CBM requires about 10 wells to produce the same volume of gas as one conventional natural gas well. This means more roads, more pipelines & more noisy compressors and less pristine environment.
It can be 10 wells but it could be more and it could be less depending on production and fracturing practices. I see no comments about turning the gas off at your homes and offices and I would imagine you are still driving your car? Where have you observed CBM in production? Are you still looking at the horror stories from places like Montana from years gone by? The rules in USA are not even close to those in BC!! Look up some regulations and use some current facts from here in BC!!
Many resent reports have come out that say it has ZERO affect on ground water or under ground water. Please do your own research and don't trust what people tell you, question everything.
You are completely wrong in saying flaring does not occur in Canada. In fact flaring is the norm in BC and Alberta. The regs recently brought into gradually phase out flaring dont come into effect until next decade.
You people only think bad about Shell in Nigeria. My dad works there and come there every year. Shell provides work for the local people so they got work to do and have some income for their families. It's not only shell this shell that. THe government playes a big roll. The government put all the money in their own pocket, it could be such a rich country with all the natural resources. Every year when i come there i see inprovement and it's good to see
Sure Shell provides work to the people, but at what cost? It won't matter how much money these people and their government make from Shell when ten years down the road their air and water supply will be too contaminated breathe and drink.
Excellent video. Shell also have plans to cause an environbmental disaster here in Ireland. It seems the company has problems balancing the needs of its shareholders to get even richer, and the needs of the receiving communities to keep something close to their quality of life.
Nigeria is the second biggest economy in sub saharan africa, but who would want to be poor in the Niger Delta?
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You guys always find a way to blame it on the Corps., and in extension, whitey.
What would these people do if they didn't have oil revenues- be even poorer and eat each other for food?
The Gov't. is corrupt and doesn't give a shit for it's own- if they had any intelligence at all they could take care of their own and have environmental laws.
This is a very good video that describes thro' Shell's actions (development, making money for shareholders) what multilateral corporations and right-wing governments are doing all over the world. The only thing the average person can do is to support political candidates in their regions that support social justice and democratic movements. Coal bed methane extraction has created great environmental damage in Montana...there has got to be a better way.
People who buy 'shares' are well off...they can 'afford' the investment. When these investments occur in poor areas of the world, the money largely flows back to the investors in the developed world...often even the 'good' jobs created by the 'development' go to foreigners. Do you live in a fishbowl or the US? US has given control of their gov't to corporations anyway...do some reading beyond USA Today.
but when you get right down to it, most people would rather drive than not, and most people dont care about what they cannot see, soooo not much is going to change. what a pity.
The exon valdees oil spill in alaska caused the GDP of the state to grow by 3.5% per year for a few years. Economists always think that E growth is good. There for from an economists point of view the spill was good.
It is obvious that we need a new E model.
If you agree with this statement, great, but don't make the mistake of argueing about capitalism versus comunism, that misses the point.
First you must understand, our current E model is not capitalism. When the forest industry of B.C. goes to the federal government and begs and gets one billion dollars in subsidy, this not capitalism. Over the last 25 years the GDP has gone up 80% but the average living standard has stayed the same or gone down. etc
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Want some REAL FACTS:
...The majority of those in attendance marveled at the housing and business structures that the people of the Ute Tribe were able to secure because of CBM development. Taylor highlighted the wealth of the Ute Tribe, currently worth three billion dollars in assets and investments.
Facts rarely speak for themselves -- evem if it is copied and pasted from what might appear to be a 'factual' report.
Indigenous peoples have an inalienable right to self-determination, including the right to develop CBM on their traditional lands, if they choose. But very few indigenous communities stand behind this kind of eco-cidal development.
i'm not buying anything from shell anymore. they are heartless morons. UN need to stop them in what they are doing in canada before canada ends up fighting, the way niger delta people are.
Great. Now, if we can just get those ninety thousand people to rush the Parliament of Canada and get Harper to tear up the contract, then we might get somewhere. The whole world is WATCHING while they're DOING. It's like that with everything. Everyone cares more about sitting at home with their gadgets and watching falling stars. Otherwise, we'd all be eating fair trade organics and driving EV's by now.
A few days ago when I first watched this video, less than 80,000 views; now nearly 90,000. I'm a Kiwi, I live in Canada, but the whole earth is my home, I have no other. Shell is in NZ - and probably Oz - I've boycotted this global corp. for years, due to impact in Nigeria. Take notice Shell - this video is going DownUnder too, the whole world will be watching. DI: Good on you.
We must all realize that what happens in one part of the world affects all of us. None of us are safe because of distance. The large corporations like Royal Dutch Shell and their political lackeys like Gordon Campbell (BC premier) care about nothing but profits and power. Only the people can stand up for each other and our beautiful earth. Boycott Shell and let your political reps know what you think. If we say nothing, they think we don't care. We do!
boycott shell and exxon for 1 year . bring the big guys to their knees . sell all exxon and shell shares . create a major loss on the stock market for them . the only power "we the people " have is the not the vote ,but the boycott. .howcome the rcmp always work for the big guys ? do they not have an ethics dept ? using my tax dollars to provide access for distruction of the planet
and not only shell is destroying the world. its all other Corporations. there should be a worldwide boycott of these corporations. They're Fuking pigs. anyone who supports them should be stoned.
These resources are being exploited in the last natural landscape let alone the world oldest rain-forest that is now still barely intact will all be destroyed in BC.let alone the pipelines that will also destroy everything. I'm a fly fisherman and I know these rivers are at risk and most likely wiping out that entire fishery and all other wildlife will be lost and for what? SAY NO TO SHELL Now you see why Canada will not sign with the new Kyoto agreements. This is sick and not right.
Rancourt100 1 month ago
LOL WHITEY ARRESTING NATIVES ON THEIR OWN LAND.....WATCH, THE CORP. WILL WIN.
kmcl11 1 year ago
British Columbia is known as "Little Sweden".
SnowArctica 1 year ago
These white people are so very destructive. G ready bastards.
MrIndianSupporter 1 year ago
That was why the crushed Biafra in 1967-1970 Nigeria Biafra war. They wanted the oil. They took it and ended the people up in disaster. Saro Wiwa was so myopic that he supported the federals at that time. Even when traditional ruler all stood for Biafra. He paid for it with his life and was killed by exactly those he supported during a war to liberate his own people from enemies armies and oil hungry world powers.Lessons for history.
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DoWhaJo 2 years ago
Some pretty bold statements in here with no scientific proof to back things up. Your coalbed methane facts are complete lies. I see the local natives have been brainwashed to believe 70% unemployment is a good thing. Fucking environmentalist hypocrites. Would you prefer you fuel to come from Nigeria or Iraq? Way to use blasting footage from colorado.. real accurate. idiots.
bombdia 2 years ago
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snipeatank 2 years ago
Better check it out and do some fishing before it gets shit-holed!
microdeath123 2 years ago
the oil belongs to the southern Nigeria not northern Nigeria lets be real here.
tweenthyfourseventow 2 years ago 3
which southern nigeria, east or west?
and which east? east central or south east or south south?
Which people of the region? Ogoni? Kalabari? Which side of Ogoni? As you can see the divisions get smaller and smaller until you have village against village and family vs family. Its ridiculous. Time to realize that you are part of a country not just your fathers house.
bruin03 2 years ago
@bruin03 ,you are completely right probably either in one way or the order way .but at least oil belong to couple of states from south south ,south east .
TheNomercy12 2 years ago
Free market versus Nature.
BClocals 2 years ago
so this how canada so rich
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libradaritadjv 2 years ago
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Republic of Nigeria people also speak English.
They do not have their own language.
It is a slave of the UK.hahaha
goduk321 2 years ago
sHELL... and similiar corporate business are cancer between all of us, sometimes it is so close that neighbourhood is on fire:(
SAVE THE FUEL! Be environment-friendly, our children need health Earth. Less oil, less coal, less trash in our households - this is target to achieve very soon.
racjONut 2 years ago
all motherfuckers in nigeria and damne hackers
Johntsarev 2 years ago
The invention of capitalism is greatest man made distruction of our time, this philosophy have done more harm to Earth and our natural habitat than any other idea in history. If people before them have this idea and never think about our beautiful Earth, then our generation will never have met nothing. The Earth continue to bleed and Enveronmental pollution is rising more and more. Just because of materialistic philosophy and western addiction to glamour. There is always an end to everything.
ereola3 2 years ago 6
Royal Dutch Oil Company SHELL Crimes against humanity & Nature in NIGERIA, IRELAND & CANADA
preacain 2 years ago 2
Why don't you mind your own business and you think just because your not the tree fucking bitch that has the money shell got from contracts,your hatin on someone thats making money and it is not ilegal what they are doing so why don't you feed your kids cow dung you nature lovin cow fucker.
gsdsl 2 years ago
The christian bible promised an end to this world.Shell and other companies are confirming my doubts.
southbobby 3 years ago
the bible is nothing else just a fairy tale book
brandnewmusicvideos 2 years ago
well it's better than nothing
southbobby 2 years ago
it;s not better than nothing...believing in fairy tailes is not better than keeping it real
brandnewmusicvideos 2 years ago 2
keeping it real? what are you thinking?
Every person is entitled to deal with life by anyway they choose.
southbobby 2 years ago 2
its not fairy tale its a divine book
pakichiks 2 years ago
i pee on your fake divine book...
brandnewmusicvideos 2 years ago
ha ha ha wot an idiot did i say its my book? noop i m not christian u idiot shut the fuck up n pee in a glass mix it with soda and drink it haha lol
pakichiks 2 years ago
it's yours and it's whoever else's believes in fairy tailes like those described in it. ;)
brandnewmusicvideos 2 years ago
Please.......... This is propaganda. This is the problem of the Nigerians and the Nigerian Government. They want money, they sell oil, they don't care about standards or what happens to their own people. Leave Nigeria alone, as a Nigerian, we have a government, let them take responsibility for their actions.
ilovelemar 3 years ago
PLEASE, WE MOST SAVE OUR PLANET
nycash 3 years ago
DEATH TO SHELL
huskerjeff1 3 years ago
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Contacting Shell will do little, you will be dished off to their public relations office and it will end there. Instead we should try bring the CEOs and Project Managers of these juggernauts up on murder charges for the deaths theyve had a hand in. This is the only way to stop these companies. They may not care about you or the envirmnent but hold these guys responcible and they ll move to save their own skins everytime, and maybe think twice about unrestricted exploitation of our world.
haylon6 3 years ago
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ALL of you need to take some BEFORE/AFTER pictures of the basin and then take a trip to Nigeria to see what Shell is doing for the people there. I visited Port Harcourt and felt the pollution, saw the pollution and smelled the oil in the air. Shell went back on and continue to defy their promise to protect the environment in Nigeria. Do we want this for our beloved Canada? Do we want to let Shell spoil our land and then jet home with $ in their pockets? Our gov't had better be prepared!
dntgiveupnow 3 years ago
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Shell has operated in your beloved Canada for over 50 years. You want before and after pictures? I can do that, I have built many CBM sites on sensitive native prairie, the permantaly disturbed area is about 3m2 on the rest the soils and vegetation is still intact. Even in forested land I can show you reclamation projects where you would never know any thing was done, the trees are smaller yes, but give them 20 years and people like you will be clamoring for it to be a protected natural area
woofybigj 3 years ago
Around 2:50 on the video I notice that old native woman wearing store bought clothes, if the natives are so into their roots and tradition why is she not wearing hides, mocassins and traditional clothing. Or do they even know how to make them anymore? Natives seem to want all the benifits of the new world clothes, cars, modern firearms and fishing nets, houses built with our tax dollars yet they claim to want thing the way they were. It would seem NOT!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
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Obviously you don't know Canadian history. Natives were shipped off to residential schools so they could be assimilated within "Canadian" culture. The Canadian government tried to kill their culture; genocide. They were quite happy wearing "traditional clothing" until the government forced them into suits and "store bought clothes". Now that they fight to be able to return to more traditional ways of life, which you seem to advocate,you also support the destruction of their means to do this
superjudge77 3 years ago
I think you missed my point. The natives were put into these schools and what not upwards of 100+ years ago, today there is nothing stopping them from making traditional clothing and hunting and fishing with traditional means, which they do not do.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
Do you eat, do you drink water, do you breath the air? Did you even consider the fact that what they are doing is irreversable? Do you live in this area? No, so what do you care about? Another case of beer? Can't make beer without drinking water? Or did you know that?
takuarm 3 years ago
This comment is congruent with your brain power......weak.
frankethetank 3 years ago
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Why are shell activists thumbs downing everything?
Papideano 3 years ago
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SHELL CANCELS 2008 EXPLORATION PROGRAM.
thanks to all the support, native and non native alike. The Tahltan Elders are having there 3rd Headwaters Gathering Aug 22,23,24,25 2008. This year should be a awesome party with such good news,one more step closer to Victory !!!
Inggahtahe 3 years ago
Hope there is a big bar-b-que, nothing like propane and propane accessories, please don't burn wood in the campfires (sequestered carbon don't you know) Hope everyone drives a vehicle, preferably one for every elder, nothing like gas to get you where you want to go. Most of all I hope I can contribute in some small way to the party, somehow as a working tax paying Canadian I think I already have. So please have a drink on me. I guess its back to Nigeria for Shell, where the business is easier.
woofybigj 3 years ago
What!?!...I'm serious... SOMEONE has to pay the taxes to make this land the liberal environmental, aboriginal placating, motherland (Ahem..motherEARTH) that we all know and love....keep beating us into submission...then learn Chinese because they will be your real masters soon enough...I am hurt someone voted that last comment down.
woofybigj 3 years ago
Down with oil! Down with Shell!! Windmill!!!!!
Papideano 3 years ago
What are you going to drive your windmill to work?
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 3
Windmills kill birds and are only 25% effective in producing energy, so they always have to be backed up with coal, oil or geo generation stations.
jaysd25 3 years ago 2
After the logging slowed down to a trickle over there I thought you would welcome the chance for your people to have employment and be able to start buisinesses and prosper. But I guess being native it doesn't matter the govornment (my tax dollars) will pay for everything you and the rest of your tribe will ever need. Like all the free houses you get that don't last 10 years before you have them destroyed. Shell will be back, and next time I hope they can develop this valuable resource.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
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It is obvious from your argument that the only reason you hope this area is developed is for your stereotypical view and racist disdain for persons with a First Nations background. Believe it or not, there are actually a lot of "good white people" that are against this project as well. And no, we are not all tree huggers with ratty dreadlocks and smell of patchouli.
superjudge77 3 years ago
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Supporters include loggers, hunting and fishing outfitters and guides; all people who I'm sure fit into your view of what a good strong and white Canadian male should look like. Not all areas that contain natural resources need to be developed. These areas are not only valuable because they contain these resources and it is too bad that people can't look past the ends of their noses, or their jacked up F-350s, to see this.
superjudge77 3 years ago
The true value is intrinsic and inherent in the area itself. The true value of these headwaters to the west coast of North America are much more than any value Shell Canada could place on it or profit from it. As such it is priceless and should be left alone.
superjudge77 3 years ago
Whose land is sacred? I am going to start a group or "tribe" if you will to protest the habiation of the greater metropolitan area of Vancouver. Some of my ancestors came from that place, the current residents have sullied and despoiled the land. I want them all out, they are not protecting it in a way I decided is best. You have absolutely no reason to argue with me because I am right and you are wrong. The true value is intrinsic and inherent to the area itself, as such it is priceless.
woofybigj 3 years ago 4
Lets break that down loggers- they have little or no understanding of the enviornment just look at their cutblocks and the mess left behind. Guides for hunting and fishing are only interested in their own profit and could care less about the animals, fish, or the residents that have the rights to harvest these animals or fish, or the enviornment, from my experiences.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 3
So what you are arguing is that all supporters of resource extraction and industrial development drive "jacked up" F350's, are white, are male and if I read into your pithy points correctly...must be Redneck's? Wow I didn't know that environmentalists (of which you certainly are, I just have to assume that) were so biased by their own stereotypical views of people they don't agree with.
woofybigj 3 years ago 3
Most of these people have no idea what CBM is about and will not educate themselves to the truth.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
When are truths racist? Why are basic facts that are common to so many reserves so un-politically correct when they are pointed out? And why is the commenter labelled a racist? I have worked on them, around them and some of my family came from them. Reserves are what they are and until the defacto dictatorships called chief and council are outlawed the nepotism won't stop and the poverty will not end.
woofybigj 3 years ago 2
Great, I got thumbed down because someone doesn't know what "nepotism" means. Let me dumb it down for you: It means the Chiefs and their families steal and misappropriate the money meant for their tribes welfare. They take several trips per year at Indian and Northern Affairs expense to attend conventions and fact finding tours only to golf their time away and stay in the finest hotels. I know several who do it all the time, its a way of life, maybe even a new "traditional" way of life.
woofybigj 3 years ago 5
Just a note, you should change the title to "British Columbia: Niger North?" - Niger is clearly a different country than Nigeria.
saintlysparrow 3 years ago
The Niger Delta is in Nigeria... it's a delta on the Niger river in Nigeria.
firedragon2002 3 years ago
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I hope one day, the rebels can destory everything from Shell company and i mean everything.
I hope one day shell company loses everything they own.
Ifygurl 3 years ago
So she leaves her tank empty until the next gas station.
Canada's oil industry faces some of the toughest, and ethically strong regulation in the world. We should be using more Canadian oil and gas and minimizing our use of dirty oil and gas from conflict regions.
We can't run on empty forever and we must fuel up somewhere.
jamieellerton 3 years ago 3
Hmm...and here I thought "Mother Earth" was the name of a magazine. Further decline in salmon habitat, decline in salmon numbers and what will DFO do? Blame 1st Nations' fishing.
Pepacheck 3 years ago
have you ever seen how the first nations fish? Take a drive to the Hazeltons and you will see native with pick up trucks loaded with fish that they try to sell to the whites and tourists, the fish that do not sell they dump out of their trucks onto the ground and walk away to get more the next day and start all over again, very wastefull people, always have been and always will be. Look at the houses over there on the reserves they are built with our tax dollars and r thrashed within few years
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 2
Before you get trashed for podting that Clay, Ive got one that can't be disputed: In the 1960's A Bison herd was brought into Pink Mountain by a local rancher, after sometime this man lost custody of the herd and it was forfieted to the crown, the herd grew until in the 90's a cull was undertaken to thin them out. Soon aboriginals staked a claim based on cultural and historical use...They were given the first pick while the rest of the citizenry had to enter a draw. Lo and behold they...(con't)
woofybigj 3 years ago
(con't)...sold the rights to their Souix cousins from the States. The herd was decimated and wasted, everything was shot, didn't matter if it was cow-calf or immature bulls...it set that herd back so much so that the draw portion of the hunt was cancelled for the law abiding hunters.....I'm thinking you may get some nasty comments for speaking out....I can't see how some of the enviro's that post on here can be taken seriously, they live in the city and don't know too much.
woofybigj 3 years ago
That bison herd is still there and there are limited entry draws for them every year. Or is this a different herd you speak of. Thank you for adding another positive spin on this site.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
Been out of that part of the country for awile, I knew the herd was still there but was not aware that it had been opened up again. The fact remains that the natives got first pick and were hunting from vehicles.
woofybigj 3 years ago
I enjoy debating these guys. It amazes me that they think sacred is only out in the wilderness. Everyone of us lives on someone-elses's land if you want to believe the here first arguement. When landclaims and native rights come to the cities ( and its close just look at Ontairio and the housing blockade )then you might hear them singing a different tune.
woofybigj 3 years ago
We can't all be doctors, lawyers, bankers, or work for Starbucks! Maybe if it was their jobs/communities/livelyhod they would have different ideas! I bought every house/property that I lived in same as my dad and my grandfather fought in the war to keep us free... so how did I take anything from anybody? if you have a problem with what happened years ago dig up those responsible for selling you out and take it up with them, leave me my tax dollars and my livelyhood out of it!!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 3
Yes they were I saw them with my own eyes in the winter when the bison head down to the lowlands by the rivers they were slaughtered by the natives off of oil patch related roads that whites are not allowed to use for hunting, or even carry firearms in their vehicles.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
Mother Earth? I think you know exactly what I meant by that, the constant coaching by the environmentalists to the natives, pretty soon the natives start using the same catch phrases, whether subliminaly or on purpose. Seems like culture training to me...
woofybigj 3 years ago
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You and that other person can pat each other on the ass all day ong if you want.Because some natives may have done something stupid.But we all live on this planet and I don't ike seeing mountains blown up and I don't like poisin in my water.I'm funny like that.If this is the only way to get gas,i'd rather go back to riding a horse.Its funny how petroleum companies can rob you bind not only of your money but also your natural resources.And you defend them as if they gave a rats ass about you.
surferray69 3 years ago
I actually laughed when I read this. You get on that high horse or try to get off it just as soon as you can. I actually work in this business why don't you show me this poisoned water. Oil companies robbing me blind? The oil industry is the only thing keeping Canada out of recession (or depression) right now and I am sure that is not that far off the truth for the USA as well. Its called supply and demand. Stealing natural resources? Are they never to be used then?
woofybigj 3 years ago
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congratulations you have a job.I've seen how the oil companies mine for that black sand that contains oil.They have to blow up thousands of acres of land.And it needs to be much more heavily refined to extract the oil from the sand.Where do you suppose all those chemiclas go ?
I won't have to show you where the water is poisined or the air either.when your dropping dead from cancer you'll know exactly where those poisins went.
surferray69 3 years ago
Can't wait until my laptop comes with wooden keys and plywood hard drive. Tell you what surfer you give up everything made possible by hyrocarbon extraction then send me a picture. Wish I had faith that you do in the dreamworld you are living in. Thought the discussion had to do with CBM wells, show me the poisoned water.The oil sands are what they are. Don't suppose anyone told you cancer rates were on the rise ever since the Peace River was dammed 35 years ago and the natural flood cycle lost
woofybigj 3 years ago
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The only resources humans need can be made with far more natural products in far less destructive ways and its the oil companies and the subsidies the government gives them that prevent these things from taking root. Corporations have no conscience, they think profit, profit, profit. I'm in BC and canada in a depression would certainly snap this nation out of its political apathy, which may to be to little to late anyways. Enjoy your 51st state.
Xakryn 3 years ago
Tell that to Kinder-Morgan, pipelining through Jasper National Park right now, going above and beyond, spending many extra millions to prove that the oil industry can do its work and leave a national treasure better off than it was before. Or tell it to the past president of an oil company I worked for who now works for Chevron, donated both his time and money to the United Way, still does. Ya corporations and the people who run them are the epitomy of evil.
woofybigj 3 years ago
So how long until you turn in your car for a horse? They WERE are resources until the govornment (on our behalf) sold them for large sums of money that help run our beautiful province. These companies then gain the right to explore and develop these resources and in doing so pay more money to the govornment for what they extract as well as employ a good part of the whole country, as people from every province travel to work in the oilpatch No oilpatch work = loss of work nation wide
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 6
I don't quite understand the reference to the government as a joint venture partner that is implicit or in "cohoots" (my word) with big oil. The government is us, native and non-native, the rights to drill are granted on behalf of the people of BC. Do the wishes of minorities outweigh the needs and social benefit that development brings to all? We can't have little "nations" all over the country or we are not a country. There need to be a balance and give and take on both sides.
woofybigj 3 years ago
Unfortunately many government decisions are more often implemented with corporate interests in mind. The SPP meetings are such an example. Closed to the public our government leaders meet with corporate leaders and together make decisions that effect the environment and all of us, without democratic debate.
melissaparr 3 years ago
I find it unreal that 'you don't understand how government can be in 'cohoots' with Big Oil' The US is basically run by Oil Interests and Stephen Harper wants to cosy up to Bush as much as he can. Hence we are trying to strengthen our ties with the US by lowering our standards in health and safety (ex pesticide levels on food) to increase cross border commerce - not for the better of our health mind you. It's happening and it's all very concerning.
melissaparr 3 years ago
The reality, is that you get what you vote for. In our case majority rules. One of the resons I moved out of BC was because of that. The NDP socialist mindset was not for me. The other reality is that the US is our biggest trading partner and has been for a long time. I don't buy the view that Harper is cozying up to anyone, it is simply business as usual as it has been forever.
woofybigj 3 years ago
If you were involved in this industry as I am you would see that the environmental standards are not being lowered, far from it. Standards and requirements have been raised to such a level that it is getting harder and more expensive to do business. I should know, I have watched it occur over time.
woofybigj 3 years ago
The views you and many others on this post have expressed can be found on any anti-globalzation, anarchist or environmental movements website. I prefer to keep an open mind and not narrow my view through the biasis'of other peoples agendas. The question I have is whos land is sacred? It doesn't matter where you live at some point someone is going to be upset. For the environmentalist living in Vancouver or any city I ask who was there before? Are you sure it wasn't someones sacred land?
woofybigj 3 years ago
I have a big problem with any group calling themselves the first inhabitants and therefore the owners of their land or "nation". These natives are not the first, only the latest. Did you know that the Navajo in Arizona speak of a time that they were moved forcibly off their Alberta land by the Blackfeet. So who do we deal with in regard to landclaims, should it not be the ones who were the "first"?
woofybigj 3 years ago
Can't believe someone would thumb that down, whats the matter, no one heard of Kennewick man? How about the Meadowcroft archaelogical site? Solutrean influence? I guess the people who view this video like to believe the myth that the natives were first. How many know that the term "Motherearth" is a fabrication of the environmental agenda and no native elder has heard of or used the term.
woofybigj 3 years ago
I have worked in the oil and gas industry for the past 18 years, I have built sites and I have reclaimed sites. To say CBM regulation is a "murky" commitment to best practices is simply untrue. CBM wells are governed by the same rules as conventional wells. Operational and reclamation standards are stringent to say the least. In regard to disruptions to wildlife, I frequently encounter wildlife during my work day the assumption that habitat is destroyed and animals leave the area is again untrue
woofybigj 3 years ago
Further to a response to woofybigi:
The title of the video is posed as a question. Sophisticated viewers will interpret it as a provocative statement that draws parallels between the two situations. Clearly, the two situations are not in every way equivalent. For example - the BC government is every bit as enthusiastic about CBM in the Headwaters as Nigeria's government is for oil development in the Delta, albeit for dramatically different reasons and for different objectives.
dogwoodinitiative 3 years ago
CBM development does not need a large footprint per well, there are many ways to reduce it further. Heliportable drilling rigs, centralized compression,downhole water disposal and minimal disturbance access routing to name just a few.
woofybigj 3 years ago
There is a limit to mitigating technologies such as you mention. An economically viable CBM project in the Headwaters will be BIG. The range of possible total footprints will depend on technology and practice but there is no way to develop this resource with an impact and footprint that is acceptable to those who depend on its wilderness services (e.g. populations of migrating, sensitive mammals).
dogwoodinitiative 3 years ago
Environmental standards are only as good as the govenment that holds power, To operate in Nigeria Shell follows the rules laid down by the ruling Junta. To say that they will then come into BC and operate the same way is very irresponsible and I think the makers of this video know that, but they use it to inflame public opinion.
woofybigj 3 years ago
The question then becomes how does a company legitimize its presence or operation in a region where it is fully aware that the government isn't doing as it should? How can a company morally or ethically legitimize doing nothing about e.g. fixing leaky pipelines in a timely manner or eliminating flaring by pointing the finger at the government joint venture partner? This is giving in to the lowest common denominator.
dogwoodinitiative 3 years ago
So what you're saying is that Shell will follow the rules in place even though they know they aren't stiff enough to protect the fish and the communities downstream. I believe you're right with that statement. Do I trust that they will put the environment before any cost that isn't in the rules, like you I don't.
couldhavetried 3 years ago
Why all the assumptions as to what Shell or any other corporation knows? Instead of passionate ignorance why not take a look at the rules, regulations and gudelines that have been set out already? I can assure anyone that they are extensive. Visit the Federal and Provincial environment websites and look for the applicable rules and regulations. For anyone wondering: I am not employed by "BIG" oil. I work for many little or "junior" oil companies. People just trying to make living.
woofybigj 3 years ago
I was replying to was what you said about Nigeria. According to your post Shell was following Nigeria's lax environmental laws knowing that they didn't meet current acceptable standards. Knowing this would you call Shell's procedures in Nigeria ethical?
couldhavetried 3 years ago
I don't feel the need to be politically correct: I really don't care what Shell does or doesn't do in Africa, the whole continent is a lost cause anyway. Is Coca-cola ethical when it enters third world markets to sell a product that is not healthy? I don't care about that either, my point is that the makers of this video insinuate that Shell will use the same practices in North America that they do in Nigeria and that is just plain wrong.
woofybigj 3 years ago
your comment is quite insulting and racist... a lost cause? no. a developing sector of the world, and to say that it makes a diffrence where shell uses its dangerous practises africa or north america is racist its all the same planet, no diffrence between africa and north america in the sence its peoples lives bein ruined aswell as the planet...
peeeepsi 3 years ago
Like I said I don't feel the need to be politicaly correct and I am not a do-gooder on a neverending quest for utopia. You call me racist I say I am a realist. Show me different.
woofybigj 3 years ago
Do some research into regulations in BC and maybe then you can form an educated opinion!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
As far as propaganda goes this is pretty good as far as the facts are concerned not so much. This is not the Powder River Basin, disharge of any toxic/salt water is simply not permitted in most jurisdictions in Canada, I work around CBM. The Tahltan could benifit greatly if they took a partnership role in developing this resource. We have some of the most comprehensive environmental standards in the world. With their help this could be a model for future co-operative efforts,
woofybigj 3 years ago
Our CBM standards to date are nothing more than a commitment to follow 'best-practices'. Besides a commitment to not surface-discharge water those practices remain murky. E.g. what is the community consultation 'best-practice' - if the Tahltan and other affected communities and First Nations decide 'NO', what is their recourse to manifest that?
Sub-surface disposal, as you also must know, is not an exact science, and accidental migrations of
dogwoodinitiative 3 years ago
When we become violent the establishment knows how to control us. We can resist the expansion of destructive industrial forces without the use of violence or words. Politics and economics are tools used to complicate matters that are at their core, quite simple. Resistance now but not forever.
vitreousphantasm 3 years ago
I personally am a pretty right-leaning person, conservative with strong libertarian roots. I believe in free markets and less government involvement. BUT, less government involvement means people have to be responsible and accountable for themselves. Shell is in no way being responsible and with the stacks of wealth they sit on, I fear nothing will stop them. Will people have to resort to terrorism in order to claim their right to survive in a liveable environment?
dafcnz 3 years ago
Money buys justice and government, which is why government regulation is bad, the corporations with more money just shell out (no pun intended) tons of money to lobby government and control regulation in their favor. If the only solution is indeed regulation in this case, it should be done on a local level under de-centralized institutions.
But then again, this world is so fked up, doubt anything will stop them. Kinda wish we had the balls of muslims to blow ourselves up on shell's buildings.
dafcnz 3 years ago
I, for one, welcome our shell-shaped overlords. Cheap oil and gas for everyone!
TemujinBC 3 years ago
ya right what ever.
Inggahtahe 3 years ago
pff you guys are such a nerds and retarted like hell..... you people only think shell = Co2 yea lets boycott it i really feel smart between people like you guys and im freaking 16
BrammD 3 years ago
Bramm is such a fucking moron it makes my brain sad.
JustAddWater69 3 years ago
why because you know im right?
BrammD 3 years ago
No, because you're "Dad" is too busy in Nigeria to teach you about Economics. Moron may have been a harsh statement, but it's better to find these things out when you're still young and foolhardy.
JustAddWater69 3 years ago
if you think you know better? explain then
BrammD 3 years ago
Hey BrammD looks like we shut another one down by trying to get them to explain themselves. Everyone likes to mouth off but they don't know anything about the oil or gas industry or have the brains to back up what they are saying!!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 2
hi clay
all I've got to say is your views are one sided and that of a oilyman it is just matter of time and VITORY WILL BE OURS bye -bye .
Inggahtahe 3 years ago
just a quick note you forgot the "C" in victory and the "Y" in yours, thank you and have a good day. Keep warm tonight with some of my NG and be sure you top up the car with my gas before you head out on your next trip.
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
Maybe the clayoilpatchman can give BrammD spelling lessons as well?
Pepacheck 3 years ago
clayoilpatchman is right start by yourself if..and not right way to "boycot" a multinational concern...it wont work =P Shell gone and other concern takes it over.. and i know alot about because my dad works in Nigeria, Bonny Island. I know how the situation is and all =) not bad for a 16 year old kid haha ;)
BrammD 3 years ago
who care canada there is so much space we should only concenterate to nigeria!
mrjfin 3 years ago
ye sure do a thumb down @ me you know im right!
BrammD 3 years ago 2
Don't feel bad with a thumbs down look below I got 2 of them at once!! Sounds like this guy doesn't have a lot to say when we ask about the fuel they need. They never comment on that!! wierd!! Typical of people that don't have a clue about where the fuel they use comes from...if they don't like it quit using it, put your money where your mouth is!! why not drill a geothermal well to heat your house instead of NG?? Thanks BrammD at least somebody else has a clue of how the real world works!!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
Dear clayoilpatchman: The thumbs down was given because individual consumers have essentially zero power to influence the design and future of their provincial or national energy infrastructure. No amount of putting my money where my mouth is would solve this problem - and it is naive to think it would.
dogwoodinitiative 3 years ago
I am sorry but I think you missed my points 1)if you believe individual comsumers have no power why are you asking people to boycot Shell? 2) What have you done to decrease your carbon footprint? got rid of the car yet? drilled your own geothermal well for heat? So many people think that they can do nothing but it all starts with the first steps of individuals doing what they can to decrease their footprint and my questions/suggestions are not unreasonable to someone who is commited!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago
lol naabs shell gone = no more gas for you, then what smaller companies come like mobile? what protest against them so they'll be gone also? its no use they provide gas for your house and car so you can go anywhere you want.....people aww co2 this co2 but they keep using more...if shell is gone demands go up and the delivery is lower and then big crisis will and up in wars. only because there is no more gas deliveries....
BrammD 3 years ago
divide and conquer,then pay the "law" inforcement to kill off any protests. that seems to be the m.o. very few arrests,but heavy on the intimidation, and harrasment front. arrests mean courts, and shell do`nt like courts. there has to be a worldwide boycott of shell,protests at petrol stations,embassies,company buildings, etc. use all forms of media, local, national, to get the message across. theres at least 3 countries now, were shell have a disputed presence. we need to unite.
primitevo 3 years ago
You people should look into the regulations and what actualy goes on with CBM. I work in the industry and it is as green as it gets, there are no problems with ground water or wildlife. I see wildlife by my wellsites all the time and the population of them has flourished since we started in the area because of the better food sources. Stop your fear mongering and if this is truely the way you feel unhook you gas line from your house and quit driving your car and anything else that burns fuel!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 2
It's nigeria south not north it's in the nigeria delta former Biaffra (a country)
BrammD 3 years ago
THE GOVERMENT OF CANADA DIDNT MURDER ALL OF THE NATIVES WHEN THEY STOLE THERE(INDIAN)LANDS ...
WONDERING WHY ?
THEY HAVE NOT FINNISHED THE GENOCIDE BY NOW ?
a few decent people must have stopped the Goverment from killing all the Natives. CANADIAN HISTORY SPEAKS LOUD!
cinepie 3 years ago
NIGERS NORTH ?
The GOVERMENT OF CANADA IS A VIOLATER OF HUMAN RIGHTS AT HOME!
There NAZIS that violate the rights of the disabled! THE GOVERMENT OF CANADA ARE CRIMINALS!
ask any CANADIAN
cinepie 4 years ago
shell destroyed one of our cultural sites at the 29km washout onthere way into the Klabona
AlissaM17 4 years ago
The environmental regulations in Nigeria don't even compare to those in BC. Flaring of gas does not occur anywhere in Canada. A reclamation plan is required BEFORE DRILLING EVEN BEGINS!
Also, coal bed methane extraction is not "one of the planets most destructive forms of resource extraction." As a resident of BC I take pride in pristine wilderness of our province. But i also enjoy the luxury of having my house heated and being able to turn the lights on with the flick of a switch.
ringleader77 4 years ago
Coalbed Methane has 10 times the footprint of conventional natural gas extraction. It produces toxic water, and disrupts wildlife habitat with extensive networks of pipelines, roads and noisy compressors.
This is an area many first nations in BC consider sacred. It's like drilling for oil under the Temple Mount or Sistine Chapel.
Shell is trampling on aboriginal rights (again) and on the environment.
dogwoodinitiative 4 years ago
How is it that you think CBM has 10 times the footprint of conventional gas? Clearly these claims are coming from people who have no idea about CBM or conventional gas production. Please give an explanation of the 10 time footprint comment. Go CBM Go!! CBM the most enviormentaly sound gas production there is!!!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 2
This is getting ridiculous - CBM requires about 10 wells to produce the same volume of gas as one conventional natural gas well. This means more roads, more pipelines & more noisy compressors and less pristine environment.
dogwoodinitiative 3 years ago
It can be 10 wells but it could be more and it could be less depending on production and fracturing practices. I see no comments about turning the gas off at your homes and offices and I would imagine you are still driving your car? Where have you observed CBM in production? Are you still looking at the horror stories from places like Montana from years gone by? The rules in USA are not even close to those in BC!! Look up some regulations and use some current facts from here in BC!!
clayoilpatchman 3 years ago 3
Many resent reports have come out that say it has ZERO affect on ground water or under ground water. Please do your own research and don't trust what people tell you, question everything.
kjunie 3 years ago
You are completely wrong in saying flaring does not occur in Canada. In fact flaring is the norm in BC and Alberta. The regs recently brought into gradually phase out flaring dont come into effect until next decade.
claudcamp 4 years ago
Get the fuck out you spineless corporate bastards.
KnifeKill87 4 years ago
You people only think bad about Shell in Nigeria. My dad works there and come there every year. Shell provides work for the local people so they got work to do and have some income for their families. It's not only shell this shell that. THe government playes a big roll. The government put all the money in their own pocket, it could be such a rich country with all the natural resources. Every year when i come there i see inprovement and it's good to see
BrammD 4 years ago
Sure Shell provides work to the people, but at what cost? It won't matter how much money these people and their government make from Shell when ten years down the road their air and water supply will be too contaminated breathe and drink.
Dilutedled 4 years ago
Excellent video. Shell also have plans to cause an environbmental disaster here in Ireland. It seems the company has problems balancing the needs of its shareholders to get even richer, and the needs of the receiving communities to keep something close to their quality of life.
Nigeria is the second biggest economy in sub saharan africa, but who would want to be poor in the Niger Delta?
ShelltoHell 4 years ago 2
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You guys always find a way to blame it on the Corps., and in extension, whitey.
What would these people do if they didn't have oil revenues- be even poorer and eat each other for food?
The Gov't. is corrupt and doesn't give a shit for it's own- if they had any intelligence at all they could take care of their own and have environmental laws.
zunk11 4 years ago
it wont stop shell the world it greedy and will do anything for money
tyson199017 4 years ago
Stupid shell
Rstarkovs 4 years ago
This is a very good video that describes thro' Shell's actions (development, making money for shareholders) what multilateral corporations and right-wing governments are doing all over the world. The only thing the average person can do is to support political candidates in their regions that support social justice and democratic movements. Coal bed methane extraction has created great environmental damage in Montana...there has got to be a better way.
010243 4 years ago
010243-
WoW- a company making developments and money for shareholders- how dare they!
Who do you think the shareholders are?- they're the 'average person' you mention, in retirements, pension funds, etc.
What is your def. of 'democratic movements'? Gov't. control of Corps.? Social engineering of 3rd world countries?
zunk11 4 years ago
People who buy 'shares' are well off...they can 'afford' the investment. When these investments occur in poor areas of the world, the money largely flows back to the investors in the developed world...often even the 'good' jobs created by the 'development' go to foreigners. Do you live in a fishbowl or the US? US has given control of their gov't to corporations anyway...do some reading beyond USA Today.
010243 4 years ago
but when you get right down to it, most people would rather drive than not, and most people dont care about what they cannot see, soooo not much is going to change. what a pity.
Royyor21 4 years ago
Maybe you should show this video to some of the people that you know who can't see the bigger picture and maybe help them open their eyes..?
Dilutedled 4 years ago
But haven't you seen that commercial with the dutch sounding engineer and his rebel teenager who likes milkshakes?
Shell cares about the environment, duh.
wiklmcnugget 4 years ago
Boycott the pollutors.
SusElVicioso 4 years ago 2
The exon valdees oil spill in alaska caused the GDP of the state to grow by 3.5% per year for a few years. Economists always think that E growth is good. There for from an economists point of view the spill was good.
It is obvious that we need a new E model.
If you agree with this statement, great, but don't make the mistake of argueing about capitalism versus comunism, that misses the point.
bimmjim 4 years ago 2
We need a new economic model.
First you must understand, our current E model is not capitalism. When the forest industry of B.C. goes to the federal government and begs and gets one billion dollars in subsidy, this not capitalism. Over the last 25 years the GDP has gone up 80% but the average living standard has stayed the same or gone down. etc
bimmjim 4 years ago
outrageous. something must be done. It's too bad that Shell Canada is trying to do right while its parent company ignores their efforts so blatantly.
Sophster56 4 years ago
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Want some REAL FACTS:
...The majority of those in attendance marveled at the housing and business structures that the people of the Ute Tribe were able to secure because of CBM development. Taylor highlighted the wealth of the Ute Tribe, currently worth three billion dollars in assets and investments.
CoastalTrader 4 years ago
Facts rarely speak for themselves -- evem if it is copied and pasted from what might appear to be a 'factual' report.
Indigenous peoples have an inalienable right to self-determination, including the right to develop CBM on their traditional lands, if they choose. But very few indigenous communities stand behind this kind of eco-cidal development.
landofsuchbeauty 4 years ago
Why are there a lot of Canadian videos on the British youtube site?
12233445566abc 4 years ago
i'm not buying anything from shell anymore. they are heartless morons. UN need to stop them in what they are doing in canada before canada ends up fighting, the way niger delta people are.
proudnijagirl 4 years ago 2
Capitalism is the extrodinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest of reasons, will work for the good of us all.
-John Maynard Keynes - economist
Ecosocialism is a movement growing from the awareness that what is beneficial to the greater community of life, is beneficial to the individual.
-Mike Robinson - naturalist/philosopher
Mink63 4 years ago 3
Great. Now, if we can just get those ninety thousand people to rush the Parliament of Canada and get Harper to tear up the contract, then we might get somewhere. The whole world is WATCHING while they're DOING. It's like that with everything. Everyone cares more about sitting at home with their gadgets and watching falling stars. Otherwise, we'd all be eating fair trade organics and driving EV's by now.
brianfroud 4 years ago 4
A few days ago when I first watched this video, less than 80,000 views; now nearly 90,000. I'm a Kiwi, I live in Canada, but the whole earth is my home, I have no other. Shell is in NZ - and probably Oz - I've boycotted this global corp. for years, due to impact in Nigeria. Take notice Shell - this video is going DownUnder too, the whole world will be watching. DI: Good on you.
carolannis 4 years ago 3
I was on a personal boycott of all Shell products from Nigeria antics 10 years ago... I'll make sure i never pull up a Shell station again now!
Sam Ireland
Toronto.
samvireland 4 years ago 2
We must all realize that what happens in one part of the world affects all of us. None of us are safe because of distance. The large corporations like Royal Dutch Shell and their political lackeys like Gordon Campbell (BC premier) care about nothing but profits and power. Only the people can stand up for each other and our beautiful earth. Boycott Shell and let your political reps know what you think. If we say nothing, they think we don't care. We do!
lorriegreen 4 years ago 3
do not buy shell iam in.
chimbobble 4 years ago
boycott shell and exxon for 1 year . bring the big guys to their knees . sell all exxon and shell shares . create a major loss on the stock market for them . the only power "we the people " have is the not the vote ,but the boycott. .howcome the rcmp always work for the big guys ? do they not have an ethics dept ? using my tax dollars to provide access for distruction of the planet
jmack619 4 years ago 3
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fuck the enviroment I burn tires for fun. I love polluting for no reason it makes me happy. cant wait to have ocean front property
Cujo0000 4 years ago
and not only shell is destroying the world. its all other Corporations. there should be a worldwide boycott of these corporations. They're Fuking pigs. anyone who supports them should be stoned.
Talnis101 4 years ago
Hey AKWARDMOMENTS seeing that you are such a good researcher, why dont you research tombstones.
wolfagainstsoil 4 years ago
Hey Shell, I am sending this video out to all the Gulf islands in BC.
wolfagainstsoil 4 years ago