I don't get it at all! Loyalist is a euphemism for imperialist, reactionary, and occupier. The Brits might legitimize their continued presence in their last colonial territory based on duration of stay and several generations being born in Belfast, but that claim is no more valid than a second generation or third generation Pakistani Islamic terrorist or Imam proclaiming London or Liverpool as part of the Ummah, demanding shar'ia law, and the expulsion of Protestants.
loyalists are great people and brave people.... because it takes a great loyalist to be brave enough to put a pipebomb in the yard of a school where 400 hundered children would be playing but what that brave loyalist didnt realise is that an 8 year old catholic boy would outsmart him and tell the teacher so the school would be evacuated and the pipebomb would be disarmed... YOU SCUM SUCK A DICK,EAT YOUR SHIT,FUCK YOUR SISTER AND BURN IN HELL ! I.R.A FOREVER (p.s this happend last monday)
rottweiller did yer granny tell yer these storys from da fiftys cos u are only in ya 30s,, the hardest man in everton in the 60s&70s( POP) used ta wear a orange lilly every 12th july on scottie rd & no one ever said a dicky bird to him &andy shack was always singing orange songs on greaty in the 60s ps were do ya beat da shit out of us every year ya mean throw a few bottles at the kids outside Ned Kellys lol.
@rottweilerfromhell, I spent plenty of time in Liverpool and got nothing but good things to say about scousers...yeah, there's plenty of bollocks with all that north and south divide, but I've had many a pint and the craic with scousers. And anyone that slags off where The Beatles are from is a wanker who needs his head looked at.
The reason for Irish neutrality in WWII, though shameful, had substance. They wanted to prove to the world that they were a true independent nation, not to be swayed by their ties to either the UK or the US.
while it may have shamed the state, the fact that many Irish died for the cause is what really matters.
Even in the US, many people didn't want to be involved in the war. FDR didn't speak for the entire country, he NEEDED a reason to go to war.
Irish neutrality during WW2 was shameful, you are absolutely right. sorry my comment was a bit sarcastic. Respect to all those who fought for freedom and shame on those who did nothing.
Why would people from Ulster pledge allegiance to either Dublin, or London? I think that Ulster shouldn't be about being loyal to the crown, or loyal to the island, it should simply become an independent nation, and have the right to self-determination. I think that Catholics and Protestants in Ulster should realize that they are all Christians after all, and most importantly, compatriots! I don't believe in Loyalism, or Republicanism, I think that Independence is always the best answer!
british first english 2nd. together we stand. each nation in the united kingdom has the their own traditions to be proud of , but our heritage collectively is something untouchable
I sat in a Liverpool bar one night. This guy came up to me- he was a friend of the guy I was meeting. He said that Loyalism needed people like me. I asked him why he wasn't a "person like me". He stood there, his mouth like a goldfish. A typical mainland loyalist that did nothing for his people in Ulster except shouting the odd FTP at the local elderly nun. England is full of Loyalists like that, most are losers and hyporcrits, all are cowards.
If you were so impartial, please explain why your government sent a telegram to the German government, offering condolences on the death of Hitler in 1945?
You were the only European country to do so, even former allies such as Italy didn't.
Would it be because of the death of yet anpther great hero in the eyes of the Irish people??
of course italy didnt, as it was no longer under the control of the fascists. we sent germany a telegram because the head of state of a european country had died. oh no hang on its beacuse we are all nazis and the people of britain are pure and never flirted with nazism (cough, oswald mosley and the daily mail, cough cough, von ribbentrop having dinner with the king, cough cough.)
"of course italy didnt, as it was no longer under the control of the fascists."
Ahh, so you're saying it was only fascists states who sent telegrams to Germany on Hitler's death! I wouldn't have called Eire a fascist state, but I'll not question your admission to this fact.
You seem fascinated by Mosley, maybe you should concentrate more on Eoin O'Duffy and the Blueshirts. Excluding Germany, Italy & Portugal 1000 foreigners fought for Franco during the SCW & 750 of them came from Eire!
no, im saying that the people who took over italy after mussolini wouldnt have sent a telegram because they werent neutral. ireland was. o'duffy, detestable as he was, was not an antisemite and did not call for the jews to be exterminated, while mosley applauded the british police for deporting the jews of guernsey to a death camp.
You claimed in a previous rant, Ireland couldn't sink German U-boats inside their territorial waters because of being neutral.
This is a lie! Under international law, Ireland was obligated to do just that. Your countrymen's actions of helping the nazis are in stark contrast to the Swiss who actively engaged German aircraft violating their airspace.
Your Anti-British rant is the usual republican BS and will be ignored with the contempt it deserves.
im not a republican you fool. get over yourself, im a protestant. your clearly just a revisionist bigot.
so what international law is this then? please be specific. by that logic, we should also have sank allied ships. helping the nazis, ive never met anyone so full of shit as yourself. 38000 irish people fought against them, aswell as that thousands worked in bomb making factories and merchant ships. im not surprised, considering you immerse yourself in ulster scots culture.
I wouldn't bring up Irish Anti-Semitism if I was you! An Irish TD stood up in the Dail in 1943 and heaped paraise on Hitler for his handling of the Jews in Europe, and not one member of the Dublin parliament objected!
Devalera was most annoyed at the Irish Independent for publishing account of Belsen deathcamp, indeed he lodged an official complaint against the newspaper.
My point is O'Duffy didn't need to preach anti-semitism to a country already riddled with it!
Did you know DeValera actually used some of Hitler's Race Laws against the Jews? These laws weren't repelled until 1953, eight years after Hitler's death!
Just out of curiosity, did the 16(Irish) Division play any role in the liberating of the deathcamps?
Still looking forward to you forwarding some more information about this military formation BTW.
lol, are you still on this? if i said the 16th irish division fought in ww2, i was mistaken. i probably meant to say ww1. my knowledge of history obviously isn't as extensive as yours. and i never said members of the irish army fought in ww2, this is a lie. and i don't care how much anti-semitism there was in ireland, as england was (and still is) also riddled with it. again, i was talking about o'duffy. but seeing as we're playing the blame game:
Yes, of course I', "still on this"! I suspect you know more about history than you admit (another fib?). It would appear you were hoping to convince people who may not be fully aware of the sordid history of Eire during WW2, that your country helped fight against Hitler and liberate Nazi occupied Europe. Sadly, the truth is somewhat different.
Quite frankly, I find your attempt at whitewashing this history truly disgusting, you really shouyld be ashamed of yourself, totally disgraceful...
this 'sordid history' you speak of is a complete fabrication. you seem to have some contraversial ideas about the irish, much like hitler had of the jews. are you sure your not a memeber of the BNP? we all know how strongly they poll in the north!
the first blood libel against jews originates in england. despite the warnings from germany in 1938, britain actively refused to allow jews into the country. britain also sunk many ships rescuing jews from nazi persecution. the metropolitan police force joined forces with the British Union of fascists to fight anit-fascist groups, which included jews, socialists, anarchists, communists, and the IRISH!! i could go on, but i think ive made my point.
I'd be interested to know the names of the ships the British sunk, transporting Jewish refugees from the nazis. I do hope you're not getting your history "confused" again.
You seem totally obsessed with the BUF, why is this when your own Blueshirts had twice as many members? If you want to research something, maybe O'Duffy's offer to raise a "Green Division" to fight for the Nazis might interest to you.
Is it not a little odd O'Duffy was given a state funeral despite his nazi ideals?
just look it up, its all on wikipedia. im not obsessed with the BUF, you are obsessed with slandering the irish people as nazis, when its clearly obvious to any outside observer that the british have more of an affinity with nazism and the ideas of racial superiority, try and deny it all you want, its futile. your green division is another lie.
I would also be interested in more info about the alliance between the BUF and the Metropolitan police. I've never heard of this before (it's not really a big interest of mine), and would like to find out more about it.
On a more positive note, at least the leader of the BUF hadn't been the Commisioner of the Met, unlike O'Duffy who had been the top man in the Garda Síochána.
it may have been in stark contrast with mosley because mosley was a rabid anti-semite and o'duffy wasn't. the alliance you seem so keen on knowing more about took place during the battle of cable street.
"I wouldn't bring up Irish Anti-Semitism if I was you! An Irish TD stood up in the Dail in 1943 and heaped paraise on Hitler for his handling of the Jews in Europe, and not one member of the Dublin parliament objected!"
His name was Oliver J. Flanagan who claimed in 1943 the Dublin government should "rout the Jews out of this country", and when referring to the Jews, "I doubt very much if they are human".
As to a source, it's been years since I learned this stuff, but I suspect if you Google him, you'll find out all you need.
You have previously made a claim the 16 (Irish) Divison fought during WW2. I actually am quite interested in WW2 (Vietnam too) but have never before heard of this unit.
However, I do admit that I'm nothing more than an enthusiastic amateur, so I contacted a professional military historian from Londonderry, and you've stumped hime too!
look, you can get into technicalities all you want, the bare truth is that around 38,000 irishmen fought for the allies, despite the fact that we were under no obligation to. i know you probably have trouble accepting this fact, given your narrow and bigoted views about the irish. again, unsurprising from someone who immerses themselves in ulster scots culture, which gave us such fine organisations as the KKK and the orange order. and please stop calling me a republican.
I don't care how many Southern Irish fought in WW2. You made a claim that the Irish fought in part of a military unit called the 16th (Irish) Division during that war!
I will now be blunt: you're a liar!
First you claimed that during WW1 the British sat in their trenches "drinking tea" while your grandfather allegedly fought at the Somme! Only after you were challanged by fact did you admit this was a lie.
"unsurprising from someone who immerses themselves in ulster scots culture"
Yes, it must be truly horrific to have to put up with Ulster-Scots on the same island as yourself.
This bigotted, narrowminded, sectarian comment may go some way to explain why DeValera was so pro-nazi; maybe if they had win the war, after all the Jews were murdered, they could have helped you lot answer the Ulster-Scots question.
But they lost and we're still here, and you Republicans may just get used to it!
yes, a bigoted and narrow minded sectarian comment, despite the fact that im actually of ulster-scots descent myself, and a protestant. the point im trying to make is, anyone who immerse themselves in that shite is the same as someone who goes on about Irelands glorious history. its the minority of people exactly like you who made this island such a hellhole for 30 years. i hope it keeps well for you.
After recent comments you have made, which I have pointed out were all a tissue of lies, I would find it difficult to believe your claim of being an Ulster-Scot.
De Valera sent a condolence to Hitler out of neutral protocol. Sir John Maffey the British representive in Ireland said De Valera's action was "mathematically consistent". De Valera also shamefully sent condolences to war criminal Churchill's wife when he died.
The facts show Irish neutrality favoured the Allies. The facts also show Britain had way more more pro Nazi links that Ireland did.
prods and brits sat back? what fucking planet are you on! the Irish won the war now eh? haha you nation helped the Nazis ya little Pikey! be claiming you won the second world war next haha nothing but a bunch of cling ons! im irish lets please everyone haha fucking pathetic! and you mentioned we sat at home drinkin Tea? il tell you this little fact Ireland drinks more Tea than the UK according to the record books haha FUCK THE POPE NO SURRENDER! you all got ELEVEN TOES!! SCUMBAGS! PERVS!
thousands of irish volunteers fought on the front line, while prods and brits did fuck all. and my nation didnt help the nazis, your country had more support for them ever heard of the national front and oswald mosley you stupid twat? the fucking americans had to bail you out, your fucking shit getting every country you colonised to fight your wars. fuck the queen
So your country didn't help the nazis? Then please explain why a documentry on RTE(!) in 2000 was able to broadcast footage of a German U-boat in Dingle Bay, receiving food supplies from the people who lived in the surrounding area? The pigs were actually rowing out to the U-boat in rowing boats, etc!
And of all the countries in Europe, which was the only one to send an official communique to Germany in 1945, on the death of Hitler?
we were a neutral country, we also did the same for allied forces. it would have been a bit partisan to only help one side. plenty of irishmen fought on the allied side in ww2, and none on the german side.
if you are going to compare which country has more nazis than the other between england and ireland, i would point to the multitude of far right parties that have sprung up in britain espousing nazi and racist beliefs, in comparison to none in ireland. its not rocket science.
I was surprised I was met by the usual, vitriolic outburst I have come to expect when I question comments posted by Irish Nationalists/Republicans. You sure you don't have some loyalist blood in your veins? (lol)
You say you were neutral during WW2, but your missing a very serious point. Just like Britain, Ireland is an island, and it certainly wasn't self sufficient during the war. You relied on imports, and they had to use British ships to transport them.
and that has to do with our army fighting germany how? you also forgot to mention how devalera was offered northern ireland in exhange for the use of the treaty ports, thus violating our neutrality,which would have caused genocide in the north, as well as the germans dropping bombs on us (which did actually happen, as hitler was actually trying to draw us into the war.i do have protestant and probably unionist blood in my veins, by the way. and im not a republican.
"and that has to do with our army fighting germany how?"
ROFLMAO! Army... what army? And please inform me as to when Dublin declared war on Hitler and dispatch this so called army?
Your neutrality was violated by your own people when they provided supplies to German U-boats.
The offer of handing over Ulster to Dublin was rejected, not because of neutrality, but De Valera admitted he didn't want to have to deal with a rebellious Protestant population living in his jurisdiction.
no, our neutrality was not violated. if anything, it was violated because we helped the allies. 38,000 odd irish people fought on the british side in that war, and there were allied and axis soldiers interned in ireland. somehow, a lot of the allied ones 'escaped'. you are simply a bigot fuelling your pointless anger with revisionist bullshit about the irish being nazis.
They had to fight their way through the U-boats to get the food through, and thousands of men died doing it. I'm sure you know that there were times when hundreds of bodies of our merchant seamen were washed up on your beaches.
So not only did your people want us to get your food for you, but you helped the U-boats sink the very ships that were doing it!
The argument about neo-nazism in our countries is irrelevant, as I will immediately counter, why do we have more immigrants than you?
and what were we supposed to do about the u-boats then? catch yourself on. the 36th irish division fought in ww2 aswell, and there were no irish soldiers on the german side. but thanks for the food. and if support for nazi germany was so widespread, why were there no irishmen tried at nuremberg, surely we were guilty of war crimes? and in my opinion, the spread of neo nazism in britain is a combination of mass immigration, which we have in ireland now, and britains imperial past.
and with what are we supposed to intern german ships? a couple of fucking dinghys? i think you are overestimating the power of the irish navy a tad. and no german u-boat ever entered our ports, this is a complete fallacy. sorry, i meant the 16th irish division.
No, believe me I most certainly do not overestimate the capabilities of the Irish military. However, the Air Corps did have Lysander aircraft which carried bombs and quite capable of sinking a surfaced U-boat. So your excuse of "what with" isn't going to get you around the fact you broke international law.
You claim the 16th Irish Division fought the Germans in WW2. I would like you to prove this assertion; please provide links or book titles which confirms this, as it's new to me!
'Irish citizens could serve in the British armed forces as around 38,554 in the British Army did (see Participants in World War II), as well as in the merchant navy and in British factories.'- Wikipedia.
and why should we sink u-boats if we are neutral? are you equating 'neutrality' with 'joining the allies and fighting the axis'?
And just when did I say German U-boats entered Irish Ports?
What I DID say was, they entered Dingle Bay (and other inlets too), and the local community would row out in boats to provide them with fresh food. Maybe they used the "fucking dinghys" you mentioned in your comment. :-)
If all we did was sit and drink tea, please explain why not a single Protestant family in Ulster, didn't have a member killed or wounded in the Battle of the Somme?
Calton Media - one side of the story; and a pretty imblanced, self-serving one at that! Example of Calton's sterling services to 'media' affairs is that they censor comments on their videos put on here. Why in wonder?
It's all falling apart and i for one welcome it. The Muslims will deal with the English in the end.
saffddasf 4 days ago
kill all huns til the day i die
FIntyMAcC10 10 months ago
I don't get it at all! Loyalist is a euphemism for imperialist, reactionary, and occupier. The Brits might legitimize their continued presence in their last colonial territory based on duration of stay and several generations being born in Belfast, but that claim is no more valid than a second generation or third generation Pakistani Islamic terrorist or Imam proclaiming London or Liverpool as part of the Ummah, demanding shar'ia law, and the expulsion of Protestants.
RSSWorldwide 10 months ago
It's kinda sad how much you guys want to be english... but your not lol
pugghead 10 months ago
i was born under a union jack
EddieA68 11 months ago
@mufc201o your a fool boy it was like a m onth ago at a catholic school
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago
@mufc201o loyalists claimed responsibilty idiot
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago
@mufc201o so your saying you looked it up
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago
@mufc201o dont be a retard it was on the news look it up
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago
loyalists are great people and brave people.... because it takes a great loyalist to be brave enough to put a pipebomb in the yard of a school where 400 hundered children would be playing but what that brave loyalist didnt realise is that an 8 year old catholic boy would outsmart him and tell the teacher so the school would be evacuated and the pipebomb would be disarmed... YOU SCUM SUCK A DICK,EAT YOUR SHIT,FUCK YOUR SISTER AND BURN IN HELL ! I.R.A FOREVER (p.s this happend last monday)
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago
@Shropshireladdie aimed at the irish mate,,,,rule brittania
jamesy15 1 year ago
rottweiller did yer granny tell yer these storys from da fiftys cos u are only in ya 30s,, the hardest man in everton in the 60s&70s( POP) used ta wear a orange lilly every 12th july on scottie rd & no one ever said a dicky bird to him &andy shack was always singing orange songs on greaty in the 60s ps were do ya beat da shit out of us every year ya mean throw a few bottles at the kids outside Ned Kellys lol.
mavisehirBill 1 year ago
@rottweilerfromhell, I spent plenty of time in Liverpool and got nothing but good things to say about scousers...yeah, there's plenty of bollocks with all that north and south divide, but I've had many a pint and the craic with scousers. And anyone that slags off where The Beatles are from is a wanker who needs his head looked at.
LaggerJohns 1 year ago 2
is this a gay site
patcaddagh 1 year ago
The reason for Irish neutrality in WWII, though shameful, had substance. They wanted to prove to the world that they were a true independent nation, not to be swayed by their ties to either the UK or the US.
while it may have shamed the state, the fact that many Irish died for the cause is what really matters.
Even in the US, many people didn't want to be involved in the war. FDR didn't speak for the entire country, he NEEDED a reason to go to war.
Pumkinhead22p 2 years ago
shame on sean russell!
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
Irish neutrality during WW2 was shameful, you are absolutely right. sorry my comment was a bit sarcastic. Respect to all those who fought for freedom and shame on those who did nothing.
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
King billy was a ravin faggot. Look that up in your history books. FACT.
seanydolittle 2 years ago
God Save the Queen
its a fascist regime
made you a moron
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
Why would people from Ulster pledge allegiance to either Dublin, or London? I think that Ulster shouldn't be about being loyal to the crown, or loyal to the island, it should simply become an independent nation, and have the right to self-determination. I think that Catholics and Protestants in Ulster should realize that they are all Christians after all, and most importantly, compatriots! I don't believe in Loyalism, or Republicanism, I think that Independence is always the best answer!
MSfeller 2 years ago
you have never won a battle in history, we havent lost a battle in history, oh by the way ulster is still british,,,,scotland forever
jamesy15 2 years ago 4
@jamesy15
Kobaganda 1 year ago
cant get any worse english and loyalists!
elephantstone1982 2 years ago
british first english 2nd. together we stand. each nation in the united kingdom has the their own traditions to be proud of , but our heritage collectively is something untouchable
bcfcbilly 2 years ago
There are 30,000 french words in the english language you stupid fucker.
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
And there are 30,000 french girls pregnant every year with british babies
Go figure it out
RackJacket 2 years ago
there are currently 2,000 fijians in the british army, should they be part of the uk?
The union is not about who sacrificed what in the wars, the scots and irish leech off us , we don't even have our own parliament.
The disprportionate losses reflect the chronic unemloyment in those countries - that's the army's biggest recruiter - nothing to do with patriotism
freethequeen 2 years ago
dissolve the union
independence for England
the loyalists voted for good friday agreement
they agreed to power sharing
they let IRA men into Stormont
they are only loyal to themselves
fuck 'em
dissolve the union
freethequeen 2 years ago
loyalist are mainly low life crimnals who dont give a shit for ulster as long as they are doing their drugs and being special branch touts..
hassannassaralah 2 years ago
I sat in a Liverpool bar one night. This guy came up to me- he was a friend of the guy I was meeting. He said that Loyalism needed people like me. I asked him why he wasn't a "person like me". He stood there, his mouth like a goldfish. A typical mainland loyalist that did nothing for his people in Ulster except shouting the odd FTP at the local elderly nun. England is full of Loyalists like that, most are losers and hyporcrits, all are cowards.
Billy Wright (LVF Leader) 1996
VivaChavista1969 3 years ago
The term is loyalist, not "defender".
VanDoodah 3 years ago
Love the Video, let keep the orange order growing.
yoyorkshire 3 years ago
Oops! sorry about that nastyashell66, I'm actually responding to you from a computer in a library, and forgot to sign this other guy out.
Guess he won't be too happy...
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
If you were so impartial, please explain why your government sent a telegram to the German government, offering condolences on the death of Hitler in 1945?
You were the only European country to do so, even former allies such as Italy didn't.
Would it be because of the death of yet anpther great hero in the eyes of the Irish people??
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
of course italy didnt, as it was no longer under the control of the fascists. we sent germany a telegram because the head of state of a european country had died. oh no hang on its beacuse we are all nazis and the people of britain are pure and never flirted with nazism (cough, oswald mosley and the daily mail, cough cough, von ribbentrop having dinner with the king, cough cough.)
nastyashell66 3 years ago
"of course italy didnt, as it was no longer under the control of the fascists."
Ahh, so you're saying it was only fascists states who sent telegrams to Germany on Hitler's death! I wouldn't have called Eire a fascist state, but I'll not question your admission to this fact.
You seem fascinated by Mosley, maybe you should concentrate more on Eoin O'Duffy and the Blueshirts. Excluding Germany, Italy & Portugal 1000 foreigners fought for Franco during the SCW & 750 of them came from Eire!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
no, im saying that the people who took over italy after mussolini wouldnt have sent a telegram because they werent neutral. ireland was. o'duffy, detestable as he was, was not an antisemite and did not call for the jews to be exterminated, while mosley applauded the british police for deporting the jews of guernsey to a death camp.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
You claimed in a previous rant, Ireland couldn't sink German U-boats inside their territorial waters because of being neutral.
This is a lie! Under international law, Ireland was obligated to do just that. Your countrymen's actions of helping the nazis are in stark contrast to the Swiss who actively engaged German aircraft violating their airspace.
Your Anti-British rant is the usual republican BS and will be ignored with the contempt it deserves.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
im not a republican you fool. get over yourself, im a protestant. your clearly just a revisionist bigot.
so what international law is this then? please be specific. by that logic, we should also have sank allied ships. helping the nazis, ive never met anyone so full of shit as yourself. 38000 irish people fought against them, aswell as that thousands worked in bomb making factories and merchant ships. im not surprised, considering you immerse yourself in ulster scots culture.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
I wouldn't bring up Irish Anti-Semitism if I was you! An Irish TD stood up in the Dail in 1943 and heaped paraise on Hitler for his handling of the Jews in Europe, and not one member of the Dublin parliament objected!
Devalera was most annoyed at the Irish Independent for publishing account of Belsen deathcamp, indeed he lodged an official complaint against the newspaper.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
I have no doubt that there was anti-semitism in ireland, just as there was in britain. i was talking about eoin o'duffy. what is your point?
nastyashell66 3 years ago
My point is O'Duffy didn't need to preach anti-semitism to a country already riddled with it!
Did you know DeValera actually used some of Hitler's Race Laws against the Jews? These laws weren't repelled until 1953, eight years after Hitler's death!
Just out of curiosity, did the 16(Irish) Division play any role in the liberating of the deathcamps?
Still looking forward to you forwarding some more information about this military formation BTW.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
lol, are you still on this? if i said the 16th irish division fought in ww2, i was mistaken. i probably meant to say ww1. my knowledge of history obviously isn't as extensive as yours. and i never said members of the irish army fought in ww2, this is a lie. and i don't care how much anti-semitism there was in ireland, as england was (and still is) also riddled with it. again, i was talking about o'duffy. but seeing as we're playing the blame game:
nastyashell66 3 years ago
Yes, of course I', "still on this"! I suspect you know more about history than you admit (another fib?). It would appear you were hoping to convince people who may not be fully aware of the sordid history of Eire during WW2, that your country helped fight against Hitler and liberate Nazi occupied Europe. Sadly, the truth is somewhat different.
Quite frankly, I find your attempt at whitewashing this history truly disgusting, you really shouyld be ashamed of yourself, totally disgraceful...
ScissoredSimon 3 years ago
this 'sordid history' you speak of is a complete fabrication. you seem to have some contraversial ideas about the irish, much like hitler had of the jews. are you sure your not a memeber of the BNP? we all know how strongly they poll in the north!
nastyashell66 3 years ago
the first blood libel against jews originates in england. despite the warnings from germany in 1938, britain actively refused to allow jews into the country. britain also sunk many ships rescuing jews from nazi persecution. the metropolitan police force joined forces with the British Union of fascists to fight anit-fascist groups, which included jews, socialists, anarchists, communists, and the IRISH!! i could go on, but i think ive made my point.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
I'd be interested to know the names of the ships the British sunk, transporting Jewish refugees from the nazis. I do hope you're not getting your history "confused" again.
You seem totally obsessed with the BUF, why is this when your own Blueshirts had twice as many members? If you want to research something, maybe O'Duffy's offer to raise a "Green Division" to fight for the Nazis might interest to you.
Is it not a little odd O'Duffy was given a state funeral despite his nazi ideals?
ScissoredSimon 3 years ago
just look it up, its all on wikipedia. im not obsessed with the BUF, you are obsessed with slandering the irish people as nazis, when its clearly obvious to any outside observer that the british have more of an affinity with nazism and the ideas of racial superiority, try and deny it all you want, its futile. your green division is another lie.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
This is in stark contrast to Mosely's funeral.
I would also be interested in more info about the alliance between the BUF and the Metropolitan police. I've never heard of this before (it's not really a big interest of mine), and would like to find out more about it.
On a more positive note, at least the leader of the BUF hadn't been the Commisioner of the Met, unlike O'Duffy who had been the top man in the Garda Síochána.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
it may have been in stark contrast with mosley because mosley was a rabid anti-semite and o'duffy wasn't. the alliance you seem so keen on knowing more about took place during the battle of cable street.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
"I wouldn't bring up Irish Anti-Semitism if I was you! An Irish TD stood up in the Dail in 1943 and heaped paraise on Hitler for his handling of the Jews in Europe, and not one member of the Dublin parliament objected!"
What was his name? What is the source?
VanDoodah 3 years ago
His name was Oliver J. Flanagan who claimed in 1943 the Dublin government should "rout the Jews out of this country", and when referring to the Jews, "I doubt very much if they are human".
As to a source, it's been years since I learned this stuff, but I suspect if you Google him, you'll find out all you need.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
Thanks for the info.
VanDoodah 3 years ago
You have previously made a claim the 16 (Irish) Divison fought during WW2. I actually am quite interested in WW2 (Vietnam too) but have never before heard of this unit.
However, I do admit that I'm nothing more than an enthusiastic amateur, so I contacted a professional military historian from Londonderry, and you've stumped hime too!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
look, you can get into technicalities all you want, the bare truth is that around 38,000 irishmen fought for the allies, despite the fact that we were under no obligation to. i know you probably have trouble accepting this fact, given your narrow and bigoted views about the irish. again, unsurprising from someone who immerses themselves in ulster scots culture, which gave us such fine organisations as the KKK and the orange order. and please stop calling me a republican.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
I don't care how many Southern Irish fought in WW2. You made a claim that the Irish fought in part of a military unit called the 16th (Irish) Division during that war!
I will now be blunt: you're a liar!
First you claimed that during WW1 the British sat in their trenches "drinking tea" while your grandfather allegedly fought at the Somme! Only after you were challanged by fact did you admit this was a lie.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
i put it to you that you are also a liar and a bigot.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
As you are a proven liar, and any credibility you may have had is totally shot, your accusations against me are totally irrelevant.
ScissoredSimon 3 years ago
as are yours. hypocrite.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
Who the fuck are you?
ScissoredSimon 3 years ago
You then made up a military formation called the 36th (Irish) Division, claiming members of the Irish army fought in it during WW2. Again a lie!
You then claimed the 16th (Irish) Division, was the military formation used by by the Irish Army during WW2.
May I ask you: just how many lies are you willing to tell to try to support the bullshit you're spouting on this site?
If this unit really did exist during WW2 then prove it; either put up, or shut up!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
"unsurprising from someone who immerses themselves in ulster scots culture"
Yes, it must be truly horrific to have to put up with Ulster-Scots on the same island as yourself.
This bigotted, narrowminded, sectarian comment may go some way to explain why DeValera was so pro-nazi; maybe if they had win the war, after all the Jews were murdered, they could have helped you lot answer the Ulster-Scots question.
But they lost and we're still here, and you Republicans may just get used to it!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
yes, a bigoted and narrow minded sectarian comment, despite the fact that im actually of ulster-scots descent myself, and a protestant. the point im trying to make is, anyone who immerse themselves in that shite is the same as someone who goes on about Irelands glorious history. its the minority of people exactly like you who made this island such a hellhole for 30 years. i hope it keeps well for you.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
After recent comments you have made, which I have pointed out were all a tissue of lies, I would find it difficult to believe your claim of being an Ulster-Scot.
ScissoredSimon 3 years ago
To further aid research in this unit, could you please supply further details, including:
When was it formed?
What Irish Army units was it comprised off?
Please name the Irish Army Officer in command of it?
In what campaigns did it see service?
Was it attached to another allied country's military, or did it fight independantly?
When was it disbanded?
I am really intrigued by this unit and am really looking forward to learning more about it!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
De Valera sent a condolence to Hitler out of neutral protocol. Sir John Maffey the British representive in Ireland said De Valera's action was "mathematically consistent". De Valera also shamefully sent condolences to war criminal Churchill's wife when he died.
The facts show Irish neutrality favoured the Allies. The facts also show Britain had way more more pro Nazi links that Ireland did.
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
prods and brits sat back? what fucking planet are you on! the Irish won the war now eh? haha you nation helped the Nazis ya little Pikey! be claiming you won the second world war next haha nothing but a bunch of cling ons! im irish lets please everyone haha fucking pathetic! and you mentioned we sat at home drinkin Tea? il tell you this little fact Ireland drinks more Tea than the UK according to the record books haha FUCK THE POPE NO SURRENDER! you all got ELEVEN TOES!! SCUMBAGS! PERVS!
prodandproud 3 years ago
thousands of irish volunteers fought on the front line, while prods and brits did fuck all. and my nation didnt help the nazis, your country had more support for them ever heard of the national front and oswald mosley you stupid twat? the fucking americans had to bail you out, your fucking shit getting every country you colonised to fight your wars. fuck the queen
nastyashell66 3 years ago
So your country didn't help the nazis? Then please explain why a documentry on RTE(!) in 2000 was able to broadcast footage of a German U-boat in Dingle Bay, receiving food supplies from the people who lived in the surrounding area? The pigs were actually rowing out to the U-boat in rowing boats, etc!
And of all the countries in Europe, which was the only one to send an official communique to Germany in 1945, on the death of Hitler?
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
we were a neutral country, we also did the same for allied forces. it would have been a bit partisan to only help one side. plenty of irishmen fought on the allied side in ww2, and none on the german side.
if you are going to compare which country has more nazis than the other between england and ireland, i would point to the multitude of far right parties that have sprung up in britain espousing nazi and racist beliefs, in comparison to none in ireland. its not rocket science.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
I was surprised I was met by the usual, vitriolic outburst I have come to expect when I question comments posted by Irish Nationalists/Republicans. You sure you don't have some loyalist blood in your veins? (lol)
You say you were neutral during WW2, but your missing a very serious point. Just like Britain, Ireland is an island, and it certainly wasn't self sufficient during the war. You relied on imports, and they had to use British ships to transport them.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
and that has to do with our army fighting germany how? you also forgot to mention how devalera was offered northern ireland in exhange for the use of the treaty ports, thus violating our neutrality,which would have caused genocide in the north, as well as the germans dropping bombs on us (which did actually happen, as hitler was actually trying to draw us into the war.i do have protestant and probably unionist blood in my veins, by the way. and im not a republican.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
"and that has to do with our army fighting germany how?"
ROFLMAO! Army... what army? And please inform me as to when Dublin declared war on Hitler and dispatch this so called army?
Your neutrality was violated by your own people when they provided supplies to German U-boats.
The offer of handing over Ulster to Dublin was rejected, not because of neutrality, but De Valera admitted he didn't want to have to deal with a rebellious Protestant population living in his jurisdiction.
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
no, our neutrality was not violated. if anything, it was violated because we helped the allies. 38,000 odd irish people fought on the british side in that war, and there were allied and axis soldiers interned in ireland. somehow, a lot of the allied ones 'escaped'. you are simply a bigot fuelling your pointless anger with revisionist bullshit about the irish being nazis.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
They had to fight their way through the U-boats to get the food through, and thousands of men died doing it. I'm sure you know that there were times when hundreds of bodies of our merchant seamen were washed up on your beaches.
So not only did your people want us to get your food for you, but you helped the U-boats sink the very ships that were doing it!
The argument about neo-nazism in our countries is irrelevant, as I will immediately counter, why do we have more immigrants than you?
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
and what were we supposed to do about the u-boats then? catch yourself on. the 36th irish division fought in ww2 aswell, and there were no irish soldiers on the german side. but thanks for the food. and if support for nazi germany was so widespread, why were there no irishmen tried at nuremberg, surely we were guilty of war crimes? and in my opinion, the spread of neo nazism in britain is a combination of mass immigration, which we have in ireland now, and britains imperial past.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
You were supposed to do what international law demanded you do, intern them for the duration of the war!
While you willingly supplied German U-boats with food, you refused to let British ships - military or civilian - have any assistance whatsoever!
Damaged merchant shipping had to limp past your ports, and struggle to Ulster or the British Mainland.
Mind you, you did grant them access when they were supplying you with food!
The 36th Irish Division is a figment of your imagination!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
and with what are we supposed to intern german ships? a couple of fucking dinghys? i think you are overestimating the power of the irish navy a tad. and no german u-boat ever entered our ports, this is a complete fallacy. sorry, i meant the 16th irish division.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
No, believe me I most certainly do not overestimate the capabilities of the Irish military. However, the Air Corps did have Lysander aircraft which carried bombs and quite capable of sinking a surfaced U-boat. So your excuse of "what with" isn't going to get you around the fact you broke international law.
You claim the 16th Irish Division fought the Germans in WW2. I would like you to prove this assertion; please provide links or book titles which confirms this, as it's new to me!
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
'Irish citizens could serve in the British armed forces as around 38,554 in the British Army did (see Participants in World War II), as well as in the merchant navy and in British factories.'- Wikipedia.
and why should we sink u-boats if we are neutral? are you equating 'neutrality' with 'joining the allies and fighting the axis'?
nastyashell66 3 years ago
And just when did I say German U-boats entered Irish Ports?
What I DID say was, they entered Dingle Bay (and other inlets too), and the local community would row out in boats to provide them with fresh food. Maybe they used the "fucking dinghys" you mentioned in your comment. :-)
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
so you admit they didnt enter irish ports. then how were we not neutral?
again, i dont find it surprising that they were helped by locals, considering how much they hated the british, justifiably.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
what a load of bollox that video do u want irish heros just look back at 1916 u british bastards
dera1916 3 years ago
Good to see fellow English loyalists
happyhammer93 3 years ago
up the ra
ginnaupthera 3 years ago
Tiocfaidh ar la !!
ginnaupthera 3 years ago
one queen one crown no pope in this town
malaki1912 3 years ago
theres no catholic war heroes, they are cowards
bocher222 4 years ago
Go to south Boston and say that, they will hang you
chufuss 3 years ago
"Go to south Boston and say that, they will hang you".
How very Christian of them.
I am a Unionist, not a loyalist. English loyalists are a bunch of ignorant fascists e.g. Combat 18 and the National Front.
VanDoodah 3 years ago
Unionist/Loyalist are the same thing
chufuss 3 years ago
No, a loyalist is a militant Unionist. I have no time for groups like the UVF and the UDA.
VanDoodah 3 years ago
my great grandfather fought for britain in the front line of the somme you scumbag, while the protestants and the brits sat back and drank tea.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
Oh yeah, there were no British people at the Somme.
What history books do you read?
LiverpoolLoyal1690 3 years ago
of course they were there. cowering n the trenches while the gurkhas and the irish fought for them
nastyashell66 3 years ago
u know that do u? u were there? wise up u stupid bastard. british and proud
kerny690 3 years ago
my great grandfather fought in the somme, what did yours do? sat scratchin his hole no doubt.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
If all we did was sit and drink tea, please explain why not a single Protestant family in Ulster, didn't have a member killed or wounded in the Battle of the Somme?
Warriorking1963 3 years ago
i made that comment to enrage some loyalists more than anything. it doesnt really have any basis in truth. congratulations for finding me out.
nastyashell66 3 years ago
....and Scotland,and Wales.......
guiltymlud 4 years ago
sure it is old but it is beutiful and its colors they r fine it was green white and gold with st patrick on the fold is the sash my father wore
hfceasyccs 4 years ago
wankers tiocfaidh ar la
leeslim06 4 years ago
tits tits tits!!!!!!
deanomarino1916 4 years ago
ohh fuckin make ur mid up u say you's are northern irish now u's are formin english loyalists fuck get sumthing rite
theoneandonlyMCKEE 4 years ago
Calton Media - one side of the story; and a pretty imblanced, self-serving one at that! Example of Calton's sterling services to 'media' affairs is that they censor comments on their videos put on here. Why in wonder?
FirmlyHanded 4 years ago
Support Calton Media - exposing the lies and propaganda of violent Irish nationalism.
caltonmedia 4 years ago
irelands only catholic cause they were too thick to know there was a reformation
bocher222 4 years ago
england is only protestant because henry the viii wanted to get divorced
peterkirk123 4 years ago
This is stupid we are not back in 1600's for the love of god move on with your lifes!!!!!!!!!!
rickker20 4 years ago
more like because the Pope wanted a totalism system
pino18 4 years ago