your example of the Muslim lad who fought for the U.S. is a cheap trick, using people's own sympathy against them to make them doubt their own judgement.
What about Nidal Malik "AbduWali" Hasan the Muslim U.S. army Major who killed 13 people and wounded 30 others at Fort Hood Texas? Does that make your argument invalid? I think not.
@wordforge I disagree. Tommy was make statements about a class of people without qualifying them; I only needed to provide one example to show his argument was, at least in part, faulty. I did so and I deliberately rammed it home. If Khan is not representative, then neither is Hasan.
@DLandonCole Precisely. One example proves nothing. You also make sweeping statements about groups, the difference being you tend to be overly optimistic about people and Tommy seems overly cynical.
I spent my early adolscence in Hyderabad, India where I became familiar with Muslims at first hand. Since July 2005, I have read the Quran in several different translations. I have studied the earliest Biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq which gives a clear account of his life as a crimnal psychopath. I have studied the history of Islam with its wholesale massacres of the Hindus and others. If Islam were a gospel of Joy, Peace and Goodwill, I think I would have discovered that fact by now
I don' t think I have moved the goalposts. Come to think of it: I can't say that I have ever heard any devout RELIGIOUS JEW criticise the actions of Israel. But I have heard many Jews criticise Israel and some are even hostile to the very idea of Israel. Yes some Muslims criticise other Muslims. There has been bloodshed between Shia and Sunni for 14 centuries. But you still won't accept my main point: criticism of Islam does NOT equate to general criticism of ALL Muslims
@MagnusNielsenBewick You suddenly started applying different standards for Jews than Muslims!
I don't think that criticism of Islam equates to criticism of all Muslims, but I do think that insisting that you know the one, true Islamic theology is fallacious.
@Erh4bi Religion has a power to warp minds. But the atrocities committed by SOME FEW Jews are openly and loudly condemned by many others. It is only very rarely do we ever hear Muslims condemn passages in the Quran which incite violence. There is a wide range of opinion among the 1.5Bn Muslims in the world but there is only ONE Islam whose doctrines are to be found in the Quran, the Biography of Muhammad (IbnIshaq) and the Hadith. Islam calls for permanent war between true Muslims and others
@MagnusNielsenBewick That is called moving the goalposts, Magnus. When did you last see a prominent, religious Jew criticise the genocide in (say) Deuteronomy? There are plenty of instances of Muslims criticising the actions of other Muslims. Do you see the difference there?
9/11 is hardly the result of not "reaching out between cultures people and other religions". I hope you realize how twisted, masochistic and perverse such a suggestion is.
And he wasn't saying that muslims wouldn't or couldn't fight for America. He rather clumsily tried to show the contradiction between being religious and belonging to a society like America. Religious people who join the military have to make a choice between fighting for their religion or for the secular society they live in.
I'm sorry cole, people do question the loyalty of other people as well, having had my own loyalty to the UK called into question, and having seen it happen to others, sihks, hindu's, those with multiple passports more possibly justifiable, but it's not just exclusivly an anti muslim thing, though it's probably more mainstream to do so of muslims.
The JEWS (whoever "they" may be) are not launching terrorist attacks on civilian populations and justifying their atrocities by referring to the Bible. Your example of a Muslim patriot would be disowned as a 'mushrik' by the schools of orthodox Islam. To discuss Islam intelligently, we must look to the core texts and consider what influence these ideas have upon the minds of those who say they believe them, if we are to properly understand what is going on and how to deal with the situation.
"We don't ask Catholics if their loyalties lie with the Holy See, or the United States[ . . .]"
Just pointing out that this is still a problem, at least with some and these are usually the ones who take the biggest issue with the community center being built, although it has been a declining issue.
There does seem to be an underling problem though. Why are people being put into the position of having to choose between their country and their religion. Or at least why do people feel the need to choose.
Why is the US much more religious then the rest of the Western world and why has the Islamic world become so committed to its faith. There seems to be some sort of identity issue.
5* There is no legitimate reason why it shouldn't be built, but, there is more the Cordoba Initiative could be doing. For starters there is no reason why it could not be more patriotic. Painting the stars and stripes down the front of the building or giving it a pro American name may not be traditional, but it would send out the message that Islam and the US are not polar opposites.
@Cat1981England Well, it might at first, but for lack of a better expression, that's sort of like polishing a turd.
It's like all politicians and corporate entities- in the aftermath of a crisis, they don't fix the problem, they just invent better & more effective lies.
@bluecollarcanuck That's fair but people need to find some middle ground. I would love to hear how you think we can "fix" the problem.
Muslims need to understand that Islam is not the centre of the universe. The West needs to understand that unless freedom is given to all, then there is no freedom.
@Cat1981England Definitely right about that. For one thing, have groups like CAIR stop printing so much politically-correct BS. For all new immigrants, have some of the old habits left behind in the old country. Make them understand that this IS the West; different part of the world, and things are different here. It is NOT ACCEPTABLE to think you can beat your wife or murder your daughters for acting like Westerners. And if they can't handle that, then yes, deport them.
@Cat1981England After all, would you want to live under something as backwards as Sharia? And when's the last time you saw a single woman walking the streets of Riyadh or Islamabad wearing shorts and a t-shirt?
"Give me your tired, your poor...your huddled masses yearning to breath free...the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the hopeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
My grandparent's names are on the wall at Ellis Island. This country belongs to its citizens, and no matter where they or their antecedents came from, we are the citizens of the United States of America and deserve to be treated as such.
I think as an anwser to tommys emotional break I would have played Cenk Ugars Heartfelt reply on MSNBC to the Church debate. If you want I would send you the link to the youtube vid
Jesus, I'm trying to look into this whole; "Church at Ground Zero" thing. Never have I gotten such an odor of self righteous bullshit from the internet in my life. Something is definitely fishy here; it is becoming clear that there is some dispute going on between the city of NY and the original church owners over the property in question and MONEY.
I get the impression they're using the Cordoba Center as a bludgeon to stir up feelings so they can get richer.
Well said, Landon. I also very much like and respect Tommy, but cringed quite a bit with the section on how would we know loyalties as that was word-for-word the justification used for Japanese internment and (in some ways even worse) the internment of several Native Alaskan people (because they looked somewhat Asian they just might identify with invading Japanese forces).
Why should we scrutinise the loyalty of Muslims? Because the Quran says 'Obey not the disbelievers but strive against them with great endeavour' (25.25) 'Warfare is ordained for you...'2.216) 'How many a township have we destroyed! as raid by night, or while they slept by noon...' (7.4) etc. and a section of the Muslim population actually hold the words of the Quran in the highest possible regard. The first duty of the state is to protect its people from its enemies both foreign and domestic.
1 Sam 15:2-3 "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." [KJV]
Do you consider Corporal Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan to be a domestic enemy?
Not saying I disagree with you, but perhaps one reason the loyalty of Muslims is put under such scrutiny is because of the strong idea of brotherhood within Islam. My knowledge here is admittedly rather loose - so do prove me wrong - but I wonder if there aren't such powerful equivalents in the other major religions.
@eddrebrab Any group with gullible followers that don't question or allow people to question them can have someone rally people together to do something that is considered wrong. Stalin proved that with anti-theism. While he wasn't secular (religion, rather getting rid of it, was on the forefront of his agenda), he was atheist. We have a rather loose kinship in atheism (well, as far as outsiders can tell). We can have and have gullible people like any other group. Will that apply to us as well?
@CraniumOnEmpty Don't think so. There seems to be more of a doctrinal element to brotherhood in Islam; something that is absent, or at least less heavily emphasised, in other religions, as far as I'm aware.
I don't think this has so much to do with rallying the credulous troops as it does with certain basic articles of belief.
@eddrebrab We don't think so, but we are atheist. If we allow the government to go after groups, don't you think atheists will be on that list? We know that we don't have any sort of strong ties or anything that tells us to do anything wrong... Seeing as how the US is overwhelmingly Christian, and looking at polls how we are trusted even less than Muslims (a U of M study). That same study someone said "They're associated with moral and social disorder." We open that can. We are the bitten.
@DLandonCole No no, not at all, just that there seems (and I stress 'seems', as I said, my knowledge about this is thin) to be a stronger link to a universal community of believers - to whom one might have responsibilities - in Islam than in Christianity or others.
I'm weary of sounding anti-Muslim here - I'm not. Just mooting on the reasons Muslims might have their loyalty called into question more often than other communities.
@eddrebrab Even if there is a (and that is definitely the indefinite article there) theological basis for that position, we can't insist that every Muslim has to abide by that theological position. We also have to look at the sociology behind it.
@eddrebrab I would have to disagree with u. As a former Muslim *Im not defending Islam I just follow the truth whether for or against what I believe*, they dont have a specific country, city, or person that their loyalties stand. Yes, there's some that may listen to 1 cleric instead of another but that isn't a religious duty. Having Catholic family also I know that their loyalty does stand with the Pope, he is who they answer to and listen to no matter what the issue or which country they live.
@xZimmax I take your point, though I don't think I was suggesting any particular geographical loyalty so much as I was a loyalty to other Muslims wherever they are that might go beyond the loyalty one has for one's neighbour - such that one might feel compelled to act (as certainly *some* radicalised youngsters are) against their misfortunes.
Again though, this is only speculation - I don't mean to imply that the idea is necessarily widespread. Interested to hear your thoughts.
@eddrebrab That i would have to agree with you, yes many Muslims are loyal to other Muslims before they are loyal to a friend or a non-Muslim family member, and that is stated in their book that they should be loyal to other Muslims before anyone else no matter what. It's more common with the younger generations, sadly.
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I like both your videos. I'm not sure what I think about building close to ground Zero. But I do agree with Tommy that nothing religious should be built on ground Zero. That spot is for America.
That was great Cole. How did you know about Khan? America media would never talk about an America who is Muslim serving their country. More Americas should be made aware of the contributions of Muslim Americans. Thanks Cole, Cheers!
I don't know why they just don't leave it bare and maybe have a plague of the names of the people that died, perhaps a small showcase of the of the missing signs the realities of the victims made. Something like that would probably be fare more powerful then any gaudy memorial that will be politicized in a second.
your example of the Muslim lad who fought for the U.S. is a cheap trick, using people's own sympathy against them to make them doubt their own judgement.
What about Nidal Malik "AbduWali" Hasan the Muslim U.S. army Major who killed 13 people and wounded 30 others at Fort Hood Texas? Does that make your argument invalid? I think not.
wordforge 1 year ago
@wordforge I disagree. Tommy was make statements about a class of people without qualifying them; I only needed to provide one example to show his argument was, at least in part, faulty. I did so and I deliberately rammed it home. If Khan is not representative, then neither is Hasan.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole Precisely. One example proves nothing. You also make sweeping statements about groups, the difference being you tend to be overly optimistic about people and Tommy seems overly cynical.
wordforge 1 year ago
@wordforge No. I made it clear that there is variety in Islam.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole no you didn't
ZALATAMONKEY 1 year ago
I spent my early adolscence in Hyderabad, India where I became familiar with Muslims at first hand. Since July 2005, I have read the Quran in several different translations. I have studied the earliest Biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq which gives a clear account of his life as a crimnal psychopath. I have studied the history of Islam with its wholesale massacres of the Hindus and others. If Islam were a gospel of Joy, Peace and Goodwill, I think I would have discovered that fact by now
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
Excellent response.
CosmicSeaman 1 year ago
I don' t think I have moved the goalposts. Come to think of it: I can't say that I have ever heard any devout RELIGIOUS JEW criticise the actions of Israel. But I have heard many Jews criticise Israel and some are even hostile to the very idea of Israel. Yes some Muslims criticise other Muslims. There has been bloodshed between Shia and Sunni for 14 centuries. But you still won't accept my main point: criticism of Islam does NOT equate to general criticism of ALL Muslims
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
@MagnusNielsenBewick You suddenly started applying different standards for Jews than Muslims!
I don't think that criticism of Islam equates to criticism of all Muslims, but I do think that insisting that you know the one, true Islamic theology is fallacious.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
Brilliant video.
ManlySlut 1 year ago
Great video. I hinted these arguments of yours in your BlogTV show. Glad you made a video about it =)
NotWorthPrayers 1 year ago
@Erh4bi Religion has a power to warp minds. But the atrocities committed by SOME FEW Jews are openly and loudly condemned by many others. It is only very rarely do we ever hear Muslims condemn passages in the Quran which incite violence. There is a wide range of opinion among the 1.5Bn Muslims in the world but there is only ONE Islam whose doctrines are to be found in the Quran, the Biography of Muhammad (IbnIshaq) and the Hadith. Islam calls for permanent war between true Muslims and others
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
@MagnusNielsenBewick
Haha. Yeah, no.
DawahFilms 1 year ago 2
@MagnusNielsenBewick That is called moving the goalposts, Magnus. When did you last see a prominent, religious Jew criticise the genocide in (say) Deuteronomy? There are plenty of instances of Muslims criticising the actions of other Muslims. Do you see the difference there?
DLandonCole 1 year ago
9/11 is hardly the result of not "reaching out between cultures people and other religions". I hope you realize how twisted, masochistic and perverse such a suggestion is.
And he wasn't saying that muslims wouldn't or couldn't fight for America. He rather clumsily tried to show the contradiction between being religious and belonging to a society like America. Religious people who join the military have to make a choice between fighting for their religion or for the secular society they live in.
tookaysevon 1 year ago
I'm sorry cole, people do question the loyalty of other people as well, having had my own loyalty to the UK called into question, and having seen it happen to others, sihks, hindu's, those with multiple passports more possibly justifiable, but it's not just exclusivly an anti muslim thing, though it's probably more mainstream to do so of muslims.
TheBoyFromNorfolk 1 year ago
Hi Landon, how you're doing?
Great response here as usual. I may disagree with you on some - not so many - issues but your responses are always well-informed and honest.
Tommy has made a reply to several videos criticizing his POV including YT user ediblenapalm.
Here is ediblenapalm video:
watch?v=BufbyZxJBow
Tommy's response:
watch?v=HIXySzGFpSQ
Tommy 4 hours later:
watch?v=HIXySzGFpSQ
Knr911 1 year ago
@Knr911 And I think I will make a video response for him today.
Knr911 1 year ago
The JEWS (whoever "they" may be) are not launching terrorist attacks on civilian populations and justifying their atrocities by referring to the Bible. Your example of a Muslim patriot would be disowned as a 'mushrik' by the schools of orthodox Islam. To discuss Islam intelligently, we must look to the core texts and consider what influence these ideas have upon the minds of those who say they believe them, if we are to properly understand what is going on and how to deal with the situation.
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
9-11 was an attack on civilization itself.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
The story and the photo at the end are very powerful
bryantulsa 1 year ago
"We don't ask Catholics if their loyalties lie with the Holy See, or the United States[ . . .]"
Just pointing out that this is still a problem, at least with some and these are usually the ones who take the biggest issue with the community center being built, although it has been a declining issue.
Cyrathil 1 year ago
There does seem to be an underling problem though. Why are people being put into the position of having to choose between their country and their religion. Or at least why do people feel the need to choose.
Why is the US much more religious then the rest of the Western world and why has the Islamic world become so committed to its faith. There seems to be some sort of identity issue.
Cat1981England 1 year ago
5* There is no legitimate reason why it shouldn't be built, but, there is more the Cordoba Initiative could be doing. For starters there is no reason why it could not be more patriotic. Painting the stars and stripes down the front of the building or giving it a pro American name may not be traditional, but it would send out the message that Islam and the US are not polar opposites.
Cat1981England 1 year ago
@Cat1981England Well, it might at first, but for lack of a better expression, that's sort of like polishing a turd.
It's like all politicians and corporate entities- in the aftermath of a crisis, they don't fix the problem, they just invent better & more effective lies.
bluecollarcanuck 1 year ago
@bluecollarcanuck That's fair but people need to find some middle ground. I would love to hear how you think we can "fix" the problem.
Muslims need to understand that Islam is not the centre of the universe. The West needs to understand that unless freedom is given to all, then there is no freedom.
Cat1981England 1 year ago
@Cat1981England Definitely right about that. For one thing, have groups like CAIR stop printing so much politically-correct BS. For all new immigrants, have some of the old habits left behind in the old country. Make them understand that this IS the West; different part of the world, and things are different here. It is NOT ACCEPTABLE to think you can beat your wife or murder your daughters for acting like Westerners. And if they can't handle that, then yes, deport them.
bluecollarcanuck 1 year ago
@Cat1981England After all, would you want to live under something as backwards as Sharia? And when's the last time you saw a single woman walking the streets of Riyadh or Islamabad wearing shorts and a t-shirt?
bluecollarcanuck 1 year ago
We must rise above this and be who we should be.
"Give me your tired, your poor...your huddled masses yearning to breath free...the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the hopeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
My grandparent's names are on the wall at Ellis Island. This country belongs to its citizens, and no matter where they or their antecedents came from, we are the citizens of the United States of America and deserve to be treated as such.
phenixwryter 1 year ago
@phenixwryter
dawg...I goobered it up...typical.
Should be "homeless" not "hopeless." Tried to do it from memory, and that was a huge mistake...my bad. : )
phenixwryter 1 year ago
I stopped watching his video when he went on that rant you played.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
That ending was so powerful yet understated, superb as usual.
rockafellateatime 1 year ago
im glad i subscribed to you. i like your style and you have a nice voice. ever done radio or something?
adafuns 1 year ago
I think as an anwser to tommys emotional break I would have played Cenk Ugars Heartfelt reply on MSNBC to the Church debate. If you want I would send you the link to the youtube vid
FratisNox 1 year ago
@FratisNox Please!
DLandonCole 1 year ago
Jesus, I'm trying to look into this whole; "Church at Ground Zero" thing. Never have I gotten such an odor of self righteous bullshit from the internet in my life. Something is definitely fishy here; it is becoming clear that there is some dispute going on between the city of NY and the original church owners over the property in question and MONEY.
I get the impression they're using the Cordoba Center as a bludgeon to stir up feelings so they can get richer.
TheTruePooka 1 year ago
a more calm response , just finished watching napalm respond to him
jmm1233 1 year ago
Will you have my babies, DLandonCole? I think I can rent FvR's uterus for the job fairly cheap!
DixieComic 1 year ago
Well said, Landon. I also very much like and respect Tommy, but cringed quite a bit with the section on how would we know loyalties as that was word-for-word the justification used for Japanese internment and (in some ways even worse) the internment of several Native Alaskan people (because they looked somewhat Asian they just might identify with invading Japanese forces).
LithodidMan 1 year ago
The Islamophobia in today's world reminds of the anti-Japanese sentiment in World War 2.
joebevis92 1 year ago
I must say that you again did a fantastic job. Thanks so much, Landon.
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
Why should we scrutinise the loyalty of Muslims? Because the Quran says 'Obey not the disbelievers but strive against them with great endeavour' (25.25) 'Warfare is ordained for you...'2.216) 'How many a township have we destroyed! as raid by night, or while they slept by noon...' (7.4) etc. and a section of the Muslim population actually hold the words of the Quran in the highest possible regard. The first duty of the state is to protect its people from its enemies both foreign and domestic.
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
@MagnusNielsenBewick Why does the same not apply to the Jews?
1 Sam 15:2-3 "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." [KJV]
Do you consider Corporal Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan to be a domestic enemy?
DLandonCole 1 year ago
That was sad. It seems so wasteful that he lost his life, simply because he was out to prove something, something he didn't need to prove.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay I think that was probably only part of his motivation and, it would seem, it is something that does need to be proved.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole How so?
LatumWay 1 year ago
Damn, you hit hard...
CraniumOnEmpty 1 year ago
yup, that pretty much covers it. nicely said fella.
oojamaflipper 1 year ago
Good response, Landon.
GoatOfTheMountains 1 year ago
Not saying I disagree with you, but perhaps one reason the loyalty of Muslims is put under such scrutiny is because of the strong idea of brotherhood within Islam. My knowledge here is admittedly rather loose - so do prove me wrong - but I wonder if there aren't such powerful equivalents in the other major religions.
eddrebrab 1 year ago
@eddrebrab
Jews are (supposedly) notoriously conspiratorial.
Eron2828 1 year ago
@eddrebrab Any group with gullible followers that don't question or allow people to question them can have someone rally people together to do something that is considered wrong. Stalin proved that with anti-theism. While he wasn't secular (religion, rather getting rid of it, was on the forefront of his agenda), he was atheist. We have a rather loose kinship in atheism (well, as far as outsiders can tell). We can have and have gullible people like any other group. Will that apply to us as well?
CraniumOnEmpty 1 year ago
@CraniumOnEmpty Don't think so. There seems to be more of a doctrinal element to brotherhood in Islam; something that is absent, or at least less heavily emphasised, in other religions, as far as I'm aware.
I don't think this has so much to do with rallying the credulous troops as it does with certain basic articles of belief.
eddrebrab 1 year ago
@eddrebrab We don't think so, but we are atheist. If we allow the government to go after groups, don't you think atheists will be on that list? We know that we don't have any sort of strong ties or anything that tells us to do anything wrong... Seeing as how the US is overwhelmingly Christian, and looking at polls how we are trusted even less than Muslims (a U of M study). That same study someone said "They're associated with moral and social disorder." We open that can. We are the bitten.
CraniumOnEmpty 1 year ago
@eddrebrab and you're saying brotherhood and universalism aren't promoted in Christianity?
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole No no, not at all, just that there seems (and I stress 'seems', as I said, my knowledge about this is thin) to be a stronger link to a universal community of believers - to whom one might have responsibilities - in Islam than in Christianity or others.
I'm weary of sounding anti-Muslim here - I'm not. Just mooting on the reasons Muslims might have their loyalty called into question more often than other communities.
eddrebrab 1 year ago
@eddrebrab Even if there is a (and that is definitely the indefinite article there) theological basis for that position, we can't insist that every Muslim has to abide by that theological position. We also have to look at the sociology behind it.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@eddrebrab I would have to disagree with u. As a former Muslim *Im not defending Islam I just follow the truth whether for or against what I believe*, they dont have a specific country, city, or person that their loyalties stand. Yes, there's some that may listen to 1 cleric instead of another but that isn't a religious duty. Having Catholic family also I know that their loyalty does stand with the Pope, he is who they answer to and listen to no matter what the issue or which country they live.
xZimmax 1 year ago
@xZimmax I take your point, though I don't think I was suggesting any particular geographical loyalty so much as I was a loyalty to other Muslims wherever they are that might go beyond the loyalty one has for one's neighbour - such that one might feel compelled to act (as certainly *some* radicalised youngsters are) against their misfortunes.
Again though, this is only speculation - I don't mean to imply that the idea is necessarily widespread. Interested to hear your thoughts.
eddrebrab 1 year ago
@eddrebrab That i would have to agree with you, yes many Muslims are loyal to other Muslims before they are loyal to a friend or a non-Muslim family member, and that is stated in their book that they should be loyal to other Muslims before anyone else no matter what. It's more common with the younger generations, sadly.
xZimmax 1 year ago
@eddrebrab
1 Cor 12 12-14 (KJV)
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For the body is not one member, but many.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
Great work.
TheLaughingOut 1 year ago
@TheLaughingOut Thankyou.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
I like both your videos. I'm not sure what I think about building close to ground Zero. But I do agree with Tommy that nothing religious should be built on ground Zero. That spot is for America.
dalejr88 1 year ago
@dalejr88 Tommy wasn't saying that nothing should be built on Ground Zero; he said nothing near it.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
That was great Cole. How did you know about Khan? America media would never talk about an America who is Muslim serving their country. More Americas should be made aware of the contributions of Muslim Americans. Thanks Cole, Cheers!
Thaibebop 1 year ago
@Thaibebop He was mentioned by Colin Powell when he said he was supporting Obama.
DLandonCole 1 year ago 2
I don't know why they just don't leave it bare and maybe have a plague of the names of the people that died, perhaps a small showcase of the of the missing signs the realities of the victims made. Something like that would probably be fare more powerful then any gaudy memorial that will be politicized in a second.
thornisdan 1 year ago