Here is the problem my friend...you have made the Living God subordinate to the divination acts of witchcraft conducted by the self righteous men. You think by making a sign of a cross or invoking God over the water the water becomes the agent of salvation....THIS IS CLEAR AND APOSTATE deviation from the scripture. Scripture teaches being born of water and the spirit to mean the regenerating work of the spirit whereby He cleans through the word and quickens in a effectual manner.
Father, could you explain not how, but why the holy spirit comes on the child. Also, orthodoxy teaches that sin is centered on the intent of the person. Then, how could a child who has (i am making the assumption) no intention, do the opposite of sin? Lastly, why would Christ want baptism for our children?
Your Eminence, I was wondering if you could clarify something. In your opinion are baptisms carried out by pouring water valid but not necessary ideal, or would they be invalid?
@MapleAnglican According to the Canons, any priest or bishop who baptises in any other way than by triple emersion should be deposed and laisised. According to practice, almost no one cares anymore.
@allsaintsmonastery Well, if they are very sick. Then you can sprinkle water on them. However, I think its the didache thats says that baptism should be in a river, but the orthodox church doesnt do that anymore.
@orthodox7x7 Of course, or if you are in the desert you could baptise them in sand - really. We occasionally baptise an adult in the river that forms the south boundary of the monastery, however, in the Middle East and Egypt, that was easier. Most of our rivers flow from galciers and are extremely cold, so we use baptismal fonts of hte approriate size.
What I mean by "another" is my friend who was just recently Baptized by my parish priest. Right after his Baptism, 3 weeks went by where he never showed up for Church. After that, he showed up for Vigil on Sat. I asked him, "Where have you been all these weeks?" He said to me, "I was hanging out with some bad friends". He left in the middle of the service that night and haven't seen him since... Now what went wrong? Did he not receive a proper Catechism?
I've had a bad experience in being Baptized because I was never properly Catechized. Before & after the immersion I was greatly in love with the world and its lusts. I fell away and never came to know God & Christ... Now, is it the priests job to make sure that the one about to be Baptized is completely and properly Catechized or is it not? Because in my own Church, I have just seen the exact same thing happen to another as what had happened to me... The wolf commeth and taketh the sheep.
Could you please explain more about the "altar" and "divine preisthood" that you mention at the end of the video. Also, how would you explain the holy trinity to someone who has not heard of it?
wise words
dobrinin 8 months ago
Here is the problem my friend...you have made the Living God subordinate to the divination acts of witchcraft conducted by the self righteous men. You think by making a sign of a cross or invoking God over the water the water becomes the agent of salvation....THIS IS CLEAR AND APOSTATE deviation from the scripture. Scripture teaches being born of water and the spirit to mean the regenerating work of the spirit whereby He cleans through the word and quickens in a effectual manner.
dhood999 11 months ago
@dhood999 You are a bit goofy, but you have a right your opinion.
allsaintsmonastery 11 months ago
Father, could you explain not how, but why the holy spirit comes on the child. Also, orthodoxy teaches that sin is centered on the intent of the person. Then, how could a child who has (i am making the assumption) no intention, do the opposite of sin? Lastly, why would Christ want baptism for our children?
orthodox7x7 1 year ago
Your Eminence, I was wondering if you could clarify something. In your opinion are baptisms carried out by pouring water valid but not necessary ideal, or would they be invalid?
MapleAnglican 1 year ago
@MapleAnglican According to the Canons, any priest or bishop who baptises in any other way than by triple emersion should be deposed and laisised. According to practice, almost no one cares anymore.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery Well, if they are very sick. Then you can sprinkle water on them. However, I think its the didache thats says that baptism should be in a river, but the orthodox church doesnt do that anymore.
orthodox7x7 1 year ago
@orthodox7x7 Of course, or if you are in the desert you could baptise them in sand - really. We occasionally baptise an adult in the river that forms the south boundary of the monastery, however, in the Middle East and Egypt, that was easier. Most of our rivers flow from galciers and are extremely cold, so we use baptismal fonts of hte approriate size.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery Wow, thats so cool, sand baptism. I learned something new. THX!
orthodox7x7 1 year ago
What I mean by "another" is my friend who was just recently Baptized by my parish priest. Right after his Baptism, 3 weeks went by where he never showed up for Church. After that, he showed up for Vigil on Sat. I asked him, "Where have you been all these weeks?" He said to me, "I was hanging out with some bad friends". He left in the middle of the service that night and haven't seen him since... Now what went wrong? Did he not receive a proper Catechism?
He's been taken away from the flock.
mishakol129 1 year ago
I've had a bad experience in being Baptized because I was never properly Catechized. Before & after the immersion I was greatly in love with the world and its lusts. I fell away and never came to know God & Christ... Now, is it the priests job to make sure that the one about to be Baptized is completely and properly Catechized or is it not? Because in my own Church, I have just seen the exact same thing happen to another as what had happened to me... The wolf commeth and taketh the sheep.
mishakol129 1 year ago
Could you please explain more about the "altar" and "divine preisthood" that you mention at the end of the video. Also, how would you explain the holy trinity to someone who has not heard of it?
mikopanic 1 year ago
@mikopanic I am not orthodox but they make excellent workbooks for people, perhaps your local Greek or Russian Orthodox church could supply you some?
OIObserver 1 year ago