I add my testimony of the great work of the Lord, not just when he dwelled on the earth but today.. We all need to take a step back and now that the very essence of who he was and is being attacked all around us! Stand up with us all that those of us that are believers of Christ and doers of his words! May we stand by his side not just when he comes but in our lives daily!!
ARLINGTON, VA. - After years of sharing space for Sunday meetings and mid-week religion classes, singles in the Northern Virginia area just across the river from Washington, D.C., have their own building.
Critics typically claim that Latter-day Saints rely on "feelings" in lieu of "evidence" -- thereby implying that there is no rational thought that factors into their spiritual testimonies. This is unmitigated nonsense and contains at least three errors -- the first two of which will be discussed in this installment. . .
In last week's issue, I argued that secular evidences alone can never offer the power to convert anyone to the restored gospel. Undeniable secular evidences for Joseph Smith's prophetic status would frustrate the necessity of agency and would still likely not change the hearts of those who adamantly reject the Prophet.
@jayhawk88z By reading the Book of Mormon diligently and pondering in your heart, then conclude with an sincere and ernest prayer to know it what you read was true, that you keep the prayer in you heart always, and as it did with me, you will know that it is.
I bear my witness to you that was you may read will touch you with the power of the Holy Spirit. I know that.
@masterskyrunner The problem is mormonism disagrees with the Bible concerning the number of gods and the state of marriage. Mark 12:25 Matthew 22:30 Luke 20:35 1Cor 7:39 Deut 4:35.
I'm not trying to attack your faith but I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ and just as you want to talk to me about Mormonism I wouldn't feel I was doing my duty if I didn't defend what I think is the truth "which will set you free". And I think the truth is the Bible and I understand that you believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon but I'm saying the Bible doesn't really need/have a companion. I don't hate mormons I respect them, but I respectfully disagree with them.
@ChristianRootsMan Thanks for your respectful approach. I admire anybody who stands firm in their belief of Christ in the face of societal pressures and faithlessness. Nobody can say for sure how many Christian traditions actually survived throughout the ages. We can only attest to what we know survived, not what was lost. The Old and New Testament did miraculously make it to our current day, but is it exactly as it was when the prophets and apostles first spoke it or recorded it? Probably not.
@DefendingMormonism while i agree all christians should at least look at the book of mormon just in case---but even at that and the doctrines dont match.they arent even close.
a biblical christian and mormon cant agree on anything pretty much.
@DefendingMormonism is it even possible to believe the Bible & book of Mormon? that would be contradictory; for 1 thing thruout the bible Jesus is clearly the Son of God with all Gods spiritual attributes. Jesus warned of false prophets who come in his name. Paul said there would be doctrines of demons that would mislead. the doctrines of Joseph Smith were said to be given to him by an angel of light. the only angel of light in the bible is Lucifer who's not Jesus' spirit brother in scripture.
@ChristianRootsMan Can you point to any specific passage where God revealed that the Bible and only the Bible is the sole word of God? Would you be willing to declare that God is truly a respecter of Persons when His own word states that he is not a respecter of persons? If he is not a respecter of persons, then how can you say that God contained his revelations and teachings in the 66 Books? By whose authority is the 66 books God's only word? Man's or God's? No Christian has answered this ?
@TimothyRBerman Yes, in the book of Revelation it says that anybody that adds or revokes any of these words, so too shall the plagues be added unto him. Also, even if Christians were permitted and were at liberty to add new books to scripture, I still wouldn't accept the Book of Mormon or Mormonism in general simply on this premise since in a lot of areas I see these as diametrically opposed to the Bible and Christianity in teaching. God Bless.
@TimothyRBerman God has not stopped speaking to people by any means, but I believe that no written Revelations are recieved, since the last works of the New Testament, that are to be written in to a book for the teaching of fellow men. God can speak to us individually but adding to the Bible I believe to be prohibited. Other works such as the Catholic Church Catechism can be held in esteem but still never elevated to anywhere near the status of the Holy Bible.
So if we have preserved traditions of Jesus from his time, I think they are historically reliable, thus preserved with no need to be resotred. So they are reliable and yet they don't speak of some of the things Joseph smith does? isn't that modification not restoration of something that is already preserved? For instance I don't ever see Jesus saying we can be Gods, that he was going to the americas, that we were spirits in another realm before life. So aren't this just JS's teachings?
@ChristianRootsMan More importantly, despite surviving ancients texts, God has always given authority (priesthood) to act in His name to humans, and scripture alone is not enough to run God's kingdom, according to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. Mormons teach that in the Restoration, not only were revelations received to clarify Christian doctrine, but authority was given by God to Joseph Smith to perform Christian rituals such as baptism, and to speak in God's name.
@ChristianRootsMan I think the essential texts were kept, all texts that tried to masquerade as true Christianity were expelled.(E.g. Gnostics)So I think all we need is the New Testament, there were other writings inevitably but the ones we have are all we need. The truth is taught in them. I have read parts of the Book of Mormon admittedly not a substantial amount but a lot of the doctrines seem completely new and even contradict previous Christian doctrines,so isnt this changing not restoring.
@ChristianRootsMan (St. John 10:34-35) Jesus answered is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
So the passion narrative is also evidently pre pauline as he refers to the tradition of the ressurection teaching in 1 Corinthians 15 passed on to him by the apostles, and scholars date this to Pauls first trip to Jerusalam which was c. 38AD, so the traditions of Jesus in the Bible are closer than most/(all) other figures in antiquity (of that time). As most traditions of that time were oral traditions thus not written to much later. (continued)
I just want to ask a question and see your response because there is a few things I don't understand about Mormonism. I believe it can be proven (and a lot of scholars adhere) that traditions in the Gospels go back much further than the Gospels themselves. Such sources as (Quelle, miracle sources, Martthew and Luke Special independant sources etc...) some are evidently pre pauline (before 50AD, the sacraments are, and also with the Eucharist there was a telling of the passion narrative.continued
I echo the introduction to this video. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is true. These things I know, not because I am told to or forced to, but because I know of it by the workings of the Spirit of God. We are to be lights unto the world (although the true Light is Christ) to bring souls unto Him who gave His life that we might live.
I echo the introduction to this video. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is true. These things I know, not because I am told to or forced to, but because I know of it by the workings of the Spirit of God. We are to be lights unto the world (although the true Light is Christ) to bring souls unto Him who gave His life that we might live.
Millions of lights are turned on at dusk and turned off at 10 p.m. on Temple Square and 10:30 p.m. on the areas surrounding the square. The light display continues through New Year’s Eve. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will also perform 16-19 December for 100,000 people, and a First Presidency Christmas devotional will be broadcast 5 December throughout the world from the Conference Center of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
There are 13 or 14 camera operators in all, who rotate assignments week to week. "I love it," says Brandy Vega, who has been working with the choir for six years. "It's such a great experience to come listen to the choir, to be part of this production," she says. "And no matter how often I hear it, I cry every single time at the end when they sing 'God Be With You.' "
I just want to ask you a simple yes or no question, if i say: I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, that the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am 50 years old. And I die at 25, does that make me a false prophet?
The Hughes Brothers have been performing in Branson for 16 years. In that time they have been able to attend at least a dozen or more baptisms of audience members, employees and business associates who were first introduced to subtle gospel principles in their shows.
John does not name Mary in his Gospel, but calls her "the mother of Jesus." Jesus simply calls her "woman."
"While efforts have been made to explain Jesus' reference to her as 'woman' as a sign of respect or deference, there is little precedent for this in either Greek or the presumed original Aramaic words of Jesus," Huntsman wrote.
"Some things were hard to get used to," Taylor said. "I remember she couldn't play on Sunday. 'Why not? Why does it matter?' I didn't understand why girls shouldn't wear a tank top."
Matsumura says there was no preconceived plan to convert Taylor. She simply enjoyed her company.
The Book of Mormon, like the Bible, contains a record of God's dealings with a part of the House of Israel. It contains prophecies of Christ and also reveals how Christ, after his resurrection and ascension into heaven, later ministered to those who had waited for him in the New World. The Book of Mormon was anciently abridged by a prophet named Mormon and was engraved on gold plates, to preserve the sacred writing for a future time.
4 And I know that the Lord God will consecrate my prayers for the gain of my people. And the words which I have written in weakness will be made strong unto them; for it persuadeth them to do good; it maketh known unto them of their fathers; and it speaketh of Jesus, and persuadeth them to believe in him, and to endure to the end, which is life eternal.
And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
The correct baptism for EVERY individual on the PLANET that lived to gain a knowlegde of good and evil or a conscience will require the Correct baptism by IMMERSION by one holding the authrority from Jesus Christ.
the Church of Jesus christ performs the baptisms for the dead and is the exact restoration of the exact church Jesus christ attempted to set up during His great ministry.
built upon a foundation of apostles and prophets Ephesians 2:20 the early christians were put to death.
16 And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
16 And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
Peter 3:20 talks bout all the spirits that waited to hear the gospel of jesus Christ since the day of the great flood so they use their agency to accept it or not. The like figure (AGE) whereunto baptism doth now save us, that is 8 souls.
But c'mon Every knee will bow, every tongue shall confess this about jesus?. Does it not say this?
How could a muslim, buddist, taoist, catholic, protestant, evolutionist, ect ect ect every be included in that wording if it were not true?
And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
Malachi's words were considered so important that the Savior gave to the Nephites all of chapters 3 and 4 of Malachi, which end with this prophecy of Elijah's return. After commanding them to write the words (3 Ne. 24:1), he explained, "These scriptures, which ye had not with you, the Father commanded that I should give unto you; for it was wisdom that they should be given unto future generations." (3 Ne. 26:2.)
We are the restored church of Christ. Your mormon nickname changes nothing. ever wonder why Gladys Knight and her whole family joined the church of Christ?
Oh and thousands of years of PLURAL marriage isn't anything less than your inability to keep your own.
Afterall Dawkins is another statistic of a once theist turned atheist due to abuse in the Catholic church, the apostate church and whore seen by John the revelator.
So he made some money by attacking believers in the TRUE and LIVING God that has appeared to mankind from time to time and that makes him better than me?
FAIL
I go write a book and I can just as cool as him? HAHA
"The problem is not that the world's way is too satisfying. The problem is that the world's way isn't satisfying enough. It cannot satisfy. It doesn't have the power. It is a tragically cheap imitation of the real thing. The real thing is full of authentic, bridled, eternally committed love and passion."
until many were led into the commission of crime; have been apprehended and broken down by their opponents, and many have been obliged to abandon their country, their families, and all they possessed, and great affliction has been brought upon the whole Church. What shall we say to these things? Did not your prophet proclaim in your ears that the day was your own, and you should overcome; when in less than a week you were all made prisoners of war, and you would have been exterminated,
-and plan after plan has been overthrown, and our Prophet seemed not to know the event till too late. If he said go up and prosper, still we did not prosper; but have labored and toiled, and waded through trials, difficulties, and temptations, of various kinds, in hope of deliverance. But no deliverance came. The promises failed, and time after time we have been disappointed; and still were commanded, in the most rigid manner, to follow him, which the Church did,
Early mormon John Corill left mormonism after problems in Missouri, and in 1839 he wrote: I have left you, not because I disbelieve the Bible, for I believe in God, the Saviour, and religion the same as ever; but when I retrace our track, and view the doings of the Church for six years past, I can see nothing that convinces me that God has been our leader; calculation after calculation has failed,
Each student researcher has a list of several questions he or she is trying to answer. Sometimes they hit a dead end on one, so they start working on another. They have access to many of the same historical documents the editors in the Church History Department do. They also use maps, references on the period's culture and politics and online search engines -- like Google books -- to help find answers.
I love how Elder Maxwell asks us to "Feast" in the revelatory banquet... it sounds much nicer than what Isaiah said.
"For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Indeed, the waters in which we drink come from the spring high a top the mountains... the milk is as pure as mama's milk and the Holy Spirit is strong!
It's just SO unfortunately true! MANY people tell me how much more they trust in their leftover meals and treat the new banquet as something to throw away like the bones.
It's Alice in the Looking Glass they prefer to eat the bones. I just don't get it!
I hear them talk about how great the original banquet was.
I suppose that even chewing on bones can give them nourishment but good God, come inside people! Its a dark age mentality and its getting ridiculous!
The spirit witnesses to our souls that the gospel of Christ is true. (1John 5:5-6)
That same spirit can be felt by men who do not have a doubting heart. Blessed are they who have not seen but still believe, so said the master to Thomas, who would not believe unless he had a definite manifestation of his resurrection.
In like manner, blessed are those who did not live in the days of Adam, Enoch, of Noah, Abraham, Moses, of Isaiah, of Jesus and of late, Joseph Smith and yet believe.
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Furthermore, although the Lord promises to give us knowledge, I do not believe that He will give us any enlightenment if we have not prepared ourselves to receive that knowledge
Though he is now retired, he continues to apply for, and so far has been selected, to work the Olympics.
He usually takes his wife, Kathy, with him to the Games. Though she has to spend much of the time alone in the hotel, they do get out some, including attending Church meetings on Sunday. Brother Adams said it is usually easy for him to trade a Sunday shift to get away for Church.
A native of Parowan, Utah, he got his training during a long career working for communications company Qwest, beginning when it was known as Mountain Bell. He began his Olympics experience when Qwest assigned him to work for four years on the 2002 Olympic Games in Salt Lake City. During that time, he worked at the 2000 Summer Games in Sydney, Australia.
Sweet: Just scroll down Beehive Message to find darling idea after darling idea to supplement your calling. It includes Primary music ideas and printables, games, Young Women activities, Relief Society messages and much more. Check out the labels to find something sweet and simple for your next activity.
Exciting: With the Olympics now in full swing in Vancouver, I loved reading this blog about a sister missionary who got the exciting opportunity to participate in the "Olympic Torch Relay" as it went through the town of Penticton. What a marvelous missionary memory!
Elder Sam Wong, Area Seventy assigned to the Hong Kong stakes, said, "Chinese members of the Church in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and many other countries will greatly appreciate having these sacred scriptures available to them on-line, and they will increasingly use them to learn and grow spiritually."
The subtle conflation of the location of two trees in the Genesis account seems intentional, preparing readers for the confusion that later ensues in the dialogue between Eve and the serpent
For example, it has been suggested that these two trees were in reality different aspects of a single tree, that they shared a common trunk, or were somehow intertwined
There was a bazillion attacks on the prophet Joseph Smith!
IT must mean that at least ONE of them is true!
This is a tactic used in business at times; its called, "a shotgun" approach... not even a bullet that was shot at him as a boy would even kill him... None shot at him in a barrage of gun fire can touch the hero again.
His testimony sure... his prophet-ship sealed up unto him with the testimony of his own blood. I testify that he will stand along side the Christian martyrs that John saw.
Strive to increase your knowledge of all that is virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy. Seek knowledge by study and also by faith. Seek with a humble spirit and contrite heart.
Brethren, you have a duty to learn as much as you can. Please encourage your families, your quorum members, everyone to learn and become better educated. If formal education is not available, do not allow that to prevent you from acquiring all the knowledge you can. Under such circumstances, the best books, in a sense, can become your university—a classroom that is always open and admits all who apply
During challenging times, it is even more important to learn. The Prophet Joseph taught, Knowledge does away with darkness, [anxiety], and doubt; for these cannot exist where knowledge is
Joseph taught the Saints that knowledge was a necessary part of our mortal journey, for a man is saved no faster than he [gains] knowledge,8 and that whatever principle of intelligence we attain . . . in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection
Joseph Smith loved learning even though he had few opportunities for formal education. In his journals, he spoke happily of days spent in study and often expressed his love of learning
For members of the Church, education is not merely a good idea—its a commandment. We are to learn of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad
Isaiah469- Your comment is just one of the many reasons why using the term "Christian" to describe so-called "Christians" like yourself is probably a misnomer.
Why because I called out the spiritual arrogance of thinking that your church is the truth on the earth. Jesus is the truth, not a church. Thinking that your church is the only way to Jesus and the only true body believer (as well as many other things) disqualifies you as part of the body of Christ. Of course you can join the body of Chrst as soon as you want to, you just have to choose to truly follow Christ and not a man or a religious system. The Spirit and the bride say come.
It is unfortunate, but if you had lived in Jerusalem at the meridian of time, you would have likely also thought the Savior Jesus Christ "arrogant" when he declared that he is the way, the truth, and the life.
We do not worship the Church. That is merely your perception, which is incorrect.
We worship Jesus Christ. It is He who has established His Church in our day as the means by which we can learn His Gospel.
To you I say likewise- the Spirit and the bride say come.
No, Jesus was telling the truth, but your church lies saying it is the only way to Jesus. God established His church almost 2000 years ago, after He prophecied about this redemption for around 4000 years. You think that he let His plan get thwarted after 60 years? Ridiculous, God always has a remnant. If you take an honest look you will see that Jesus is not the center of your church, He is not who is spoken about in your meetings and who it proclaimed by your missionaries.
I have attended your churches and Jesus is mentioned in a couple of your hymns and in your prayers only, He is not the subject of your meetings. You hear the names of your leaders more than you hear the name Jesus. And in your testimonies are of Smith being a true prophet and of your church and not of Jesus redeeming your souls and allowing you to spend eternity with him. How often do you just tell people of Jesus and not add Joseph Smith to discussion?
Telling others, and trying to convince yourself, that we do not worship the Lord Jesus Christ, that we do not put him at the center of our Church, and the center of our lives - will get you nowhere because it is not true.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I value my knowledge of him over all else. I treasure my experiences with his Atonement as priceless.
And I am grateful that through Joseph Smith, I have an even better understanding of Jesus.
If you really love Jesus that much then eventually you will see the difference between the LDS church and one that really lives for Him. I pray that God continues to draw by His Spirit. Hopefully we'll meet in heaven one day as two who have been redeemed by the Lamb.
How many times did you really attend the LDS Church? one or two times? I've been going to the LDS 25 plus years and EVERTHING is centered around living a christlike life, its all about his redemption, his sacrafice, his obedience to his Father in heaven. He is the subject of ALL the meetings and his spirit is always prayed for. Other churches add HYPE and not substance, LDS follow through and see the widows, homeless, sick and father-less. They are DOERS and not hearers only.
I will give it to you that LDS people are good at taking care of people in need. The fact that you do that is commenable. I have only been to a few services, but my wife who was in the church 25 years agrees with me and so do all our other friends who left the church. The services mention Jesus but they are not all about HIm, when LDS people talk, they speak a lot of the church but little of Jesus, and if you look at your hymns you can see that there is a lot oher focus besides Jesus
The sacrament ALWAYS has hymns that sing about his sacrafice. The testimonies are always centered around thankfulness for Christs sacrafice. The Church is Christ's so when thankfulness is centered about the church it is all about Christ and not just lip service but true heart felt charity and love for Christ and for the saints.
The purpose of most people against the church is to somehow put satan and Jesus on the same level we do not, He was in Heaven and fell from it so he was our spiritual brother but that is all. He was not a God and is not the creator of this earth, Jesus is and that's what the LDS teach. That he has a Father and he was the creator of our spirits, Jesus is devine and created many worlds under the direction of his Father, this can be all found in the scriptures if you really want to look.
First Thank you for not calling me anti-mormon. I am not at all, I am against Mormonism, it is so full of lies and satan uses it to take away from the truth in who Jesus is and the power in the Bible.
Now, you believe there are many worlds with people like us on them correct? why then was satan sent here? LDS teach they are brothers and both work in our lives right? We also can be gods on another planet? What does this say about the true and only God? Think about it!
Paul said that we are heirs, what is an heir? Rom 8:17. Doesn't that mean we can inherit what God has? and what does he have? Worlds without number. So God is going to keep it all to himself? If you really believe in the bible believe in ALL of it not just bits and pieces. The lies are how many interprete the scriptures and mold it to their teachings. The LDS use much more historical facts theorically than most of you born-againers do. satan was cast out it says so in Isa 14:12.
Every Christian lives in the hope of glory to come. Our hope is best summed up in 1 John 3:2: "When [Christ] shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." David said, "I will behold thy face in righteousness; I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness" (Ps. 17:15). Our great hope is to be in heaven in God's presence and be like Christ. The theme of Romans 8:17-30 is our hope of such glory.
I also have to add that if the LDS use "historical facts" as you say, what have you found to support the BOM? The Bible get proven true more and more every day, the BOM??? not at all...I am not trying to point fingers just stating facts. Look it up yourself, dont go ask your biship or other church leaders, LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF.
Click my name and watch the videos! Nothing to support the BofM? See farms, fairlds, jefflindsay. The LDS have mounds of evidence but anti's continue to dissuade and elude people from the truth.
Oh yeah I forgot you have the kinderhook plates, the Hill Cumorah, the Book of Abraham, Indians were the Lamanites, etc. Lets see you list a couple things here, not all since there must be so much right?
God only wants to spend eternity with us. can you agree with that? Eternal separation from God is HELL!
Now according to the LDS there are 3 levels of heaven. only one is with GOD! So the lower levels are Eternal separation from God. Would you want that of anyone? now if they are not LDS and follow all the rules and rituals can they spend eternity in the highest level with God?
Exod.: #1 Do you assume that LDS believe that everyone who has ever existed, must believe in the restored gospel? The whole point of the gospel is that of non-neglect! Neglect was a charge against early Christians, by early critics. They & LDS, because of the doctrines have been restored, testify that God isn't neglectful of any soul that didn't hear about Christ's atonement & get many opportunities to change, repent & follow him. Thus, to not be neglectful, God sent angelic messengers,
Exod.: #2 God sent prophets, missionaries, & spoke to the nations in all ages & in all times, except when they lost the spiritual gifts & fell away into times of apostasies. When that happened, God was not neglectful of giving the millions of souls chances to hear the gospel, for he again sent angels, prophets, messengers, saints to preach to them in the spirit world. Thus, some got their first hearing, others, once disobedient, many hearings. Christ also went to other nations in pre-birth,
Exod.: #3, & post-resurrection world wide missions to show the world his resurrected glorified body; & so they could become eye witnesses for Christ through scriptures. Thus, in not being neglectful in these ways, God has made it possible for his children to be able to return according to what light & knowledge they were given & according to the prophets & messengers that they learned of Christ from. So to answer your question, they wouldn't have to be LDS to be saved in ancient times.
Exod.: If you think that Christ didn't go to other nations, realms, or send any prophets to other lands; who then wrote down God's word, like biblical prophets. To then become their scriptures in their own far away lands from bible lands. If you think that God only spoke to biblical prophets in biblical times only. Then your faced with challenges to answer early anti-Christians' charges of neglect. Plus the challenge to find out what doctrines early Christian apologists used to answer!
Exod.: Do you have "right Jesus"? Jesus of 4th century Nicene Creed? 3 in 1 Godhead? A Jesus & Godhead formula said to not even be in scriptures, according to those Fathers who gave us that creed. If so, are you also asking LDS to believe biblically backed doctrines Fathers wrote about, that of deification = becoming gods? If not, why? Why don't you also tell LDS that they're not Christians because, in addition to said creed, they, (LDS), don't believe in 4th cent. Fathers' deification?
First you need to trust the Bible. You really do not instead pass it off as almost correct. You follow a man made system of writings that show god as changing and always changing his mind. Polygamy yes...wait no...wait yes...wait no.... then blood attonment the only way...no don't do it...yes do it..no I changed my mind again.
If I was LDS I would not know what to do. am I saved? yes wait now im not... ok I am saved...darn now I am not???
Exod.: #1 Trust the Bible ALONE!? Which bible? The ones that respected the book of Enoch as scriptures? The Shepherd of Hermas? Or the one that kicked out the Book of Rev.? How about those that start with pre-existence themes, rather than just the creation? Or those that have temple type bible illustrations in them? Which version of the bible would you suggest is the best, most correct & represents the original messages as it was originally written? Which bible do you use & trust?
Hmm which Bible? maybe the JS version? The best way to test a version is to see who wrote it. was it a man following what man wanted or was it writen my many who were lead by God? I really think you need to look up the Dead Sea Scrolls, they can help you find the truth and (if any) problems.
Oh by the way which Book of Mormon do you use? The original 1830 edition (black skin is bad) or the changed 1965 edition (blacks can be priests)? plus all the other changes.
Sorry I thought it was just typical LDS false interpitations. I try to not attack the lost to much but ok let me see here...looks like the typical missuse of John 10:16 "other sheep" and other false views. I may run out of space so like RESTORED did I will use multi. comments.
Your Apostle James Talmage "The 'other sheep' here referred to constituted the separated flock or remnant of the house of Joseph..." But this is not correct, If you actually read it in context...
The passage is a reference to the Gentiles who would soon be presented the Good News of salvation and engrafted into the Christian fold. Mormons deny the Christian interpretation by insisting that Jesus meant these "other sheep" would actually hear His literal voice. The problem is the message could be transmitted by some other means than by the actual speaking of a person.
For instance, time and time again the children of Israel were commanded to listen to "the voice" of the Lord...
Read Deuteronomy 27:10; 1 Samuel 12:15; 2 Kings 18:12 to help you here. Despite this warning, rarely do we find the children of Israel ever actually hearing the voice of the Lord Himself. Instead, God used Moses and other prophets as His mouthpiece. Of course this was the old testament books and After Jesus we did not need further Prophecies the Bible is complete.
There are good reasons why the Christian church has understood Jesus to be speaking of the Gentiles in John 10:16. Though Jesus' specific ministry was directed toward the Jew, this is not to say that Christ ignored the Gentile people living in Palestine during His mortal ministry. A classic example is Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman at Jacob's Well in Sychar (John 4:7-26)...
In Matthew 15:22-28, we find our Lord heeding the request of a Canaanite woman whose daughter was "vexed with a devil." When Jesus tested her faith by explaining that He was "sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel," she humbly replied that even lowly dogs "eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." In response, Jesus told the woman that her request was granted (vs. 28)...
Our Lord's use of the word sheep cannot be ignored since it is the same language he used in John chapter 10. Jesus' actions in these accounts fulfill perfectly what was spoken of Him long before. In Isaiah 11, God's prophet predicts the day when the "root of Jesse" shall stand as a banner to the people, and "the Gentiles shall seek him" (6:10). In Romans 15:8-13, the apostle Paul refers to this passage as being fulfilled in Christ...
In Isaiah 55:5, God calls unto all of those who are spiritually thirsty, including those who were not recognized as a nation. In Isaiah 56:5,6 the Lord promises to give an everlasting name that is better than that given to "sons and daughters." This name would be given to the "sons of the stranger," an expression used to speak of foreigners in Israel who did not have inherited rights (Exodus 12:48; 22:21; Leviticus 17:15; Acts 7:29)...
In the 16th chapter of Isaiah, it is predicted that a day would come when a deep darkness would cover the people while at the same time "the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising" (vs. 3). The prophet Malachi also foretold of the day when God's name shall be "great among the Gentiles" (Malachi 1:11)...
Following Christ's death and resurrection, the disciples carried on the tradition of taking the Gospel to the House of Israel. However, when the Jews rejected Paul's message on his first missionary journey to Antioch of Pisidia, he declared that he would take his message to the Gentiles. In doing so, he quoted from Isaiah 49:6 which reads, "I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the ends of the earth."...
This emphasis is further realized in Ephesians 2:14. Speaking of how the blood of Christ has brought together those Gentiles who were alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, Paul stated, "For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us." You cannot ignore this passage and that of John 10:16 are the same...
In Ephesians 3:3-5 Paul revealed a mystery that "in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men," but had only recently been revealed to God's people. According to Ephesians 3:6, this mystery was the inclusion of the Gentiles as "fellow heirs" who would partake of His promise in Christ by the Gospel. Though the Old Testament gave scattered hints to such a time, these references, like that of the ministry of Christ Himself, was not fully understood until it actually happened...
It was only within the context of Christ's sacrifice did the passages become clear. The once-separated Gentiles were now on an equal footing with their Jewish counterparts. Through the acceptance of the Gospel, they too could experience the intimate love and personal relationship with their Creator.
I hope this helps you put to rest any connection the LDS have made from this verse to the BOM. This passage speaks directly of non-Jewish Gentiles.
@Isaiah469 you have it all backwards what jesus is to the lds people,you are making a mountain out of a mole hil,its plain and simple we believe and worship Jesus Christ plain and simple if you cant come to grips that we do then get over yourself and swallow your pride!.
@getdownto311 My comment has nothing to do with my pride, but of a concern to see the people that God created worship Him the way that He desires them to. If you want to talk about it further feel free to message me and I would love to talk to you. Not here to attack you, but I hope that what I say makes you think because there are a lot of people who think that they are in the truth and are not. I was one of them and that was when I had to swallow my pride, get over myself and repent.
We testify that He will someday return to earth. And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together (Isaiah 40:5). He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him. Each of us will stand to be judged of Him according to our works and the desires of our hearts.
Highways up to 9,000 miles in length crisscrossing South America 1 Ne. 21:11; Hel. 14:24 Wheels—many wheeled toys have been found 2 Ne. 12:7; Alma 18:9 Weapons of similar Old World construction have been found Alma 23:13; Alma 25:14; Jarom 1:8 Metallurgy—including gold, silver, and copper Hel. 6:9; Ether 10:23 Practice of medicine and surgery Alma 46:40 Evidence of a highly organized priesthood Alma 4:20; Alma 13:6 FAIRLDSdotORG for the truth
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty
Whysitsotough, while I appreciate your passion and that you have not been deceived by the teachings of LDS, your name calling and foul language will only further convince themselves that they are somehow enlightened, and that people like you are "lost" and in "darkness".
I could be the most eloquent and gifted apologist of the Bible of all time, but if the Holy Spirit has not softened the heart of a Mormon, they will not listen. Satan appears as an agel of light and has deceived them all.
Sadly, there are at least 22 different verses I know of that are racist against people of color and blacks. Just read 1st and 2nd Nephi Jacob, Alma, 3 Nephi Mormon, etc...
Mormon 5:15, for example: "...shall become a DARK, FILTHY people..."
Alma 3:6 says that DARK SKIN IS A CURSE!
2Nephi 30:6 "...scales of darkness shall begin to fall...they shall be a WHITE and delightsome people." (LDS adapted this in 1981 to say "pure" ilo "white". Obviously not inspired words from God)
The Mormons point to the great Mayan ruins to establish that there was at one time a great civilization in southern Mexico and Guatemala. However, the Maya had their own pagan religion and history that has NO (i.e. NONE!) connection to the supposed Book of Mormon people.
Historically, the Bible continues to be one of the most accurate historical books ever written. To this day, they still unearth places mentioned in the Bible. The LDS book lacks any archeological & historical evidence.
It has been around 170 years, or more, since Joseph Smith first published the Book of Mormon. To date, there is not one artifact that can be identified as being made by the people of the Book of Mormon. Also, there is no official map designating the location of any Book of Mormon city. Joseph Smith preserved an example of the supposed writing on the plates. No other sample of such writing has ever been found in the Americas.
From what I have seen, comments get removed in which LDS has no legit response to.
Another question that I have heard many people ask, is if LDS is a church that authentically believes in who Jesus is, why is there not a cross on any of their churches?
For, with out Christ's work on the cross, there is no hope of salvation, no grace available to sinners. For it is by grace you have been saved, NOT by works, so that no man can boast.
Think about it. Seriously. In very recent history, a man comes along and claims he has new revelations from God, and then adds his own books to THE Bible!
He missed where it says in Revelations not to take away or ADD to the Bible. Also, Christians know the Bible says that God's word is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Yet, LDS has had to ammend it's book with numorous "progressive revelations" to help cover up all the historical, archeological errors&doctrinal contradictions. WAKE UP!
pleasurerider2009- Are you seriously going to try and use the "add/take away" argument using the scripture in Revelations?
Since you unfortunately do not understand the history of the Bible, I wonder if the silliness of this argument is even worth refuting.
Did you know that the New Testament is not in chronological order?
Revelations was not the last book written - so according to your logic, the Bible books written after it would also be "amended" "progressive revelations"!
Joe SMith should have showed more fear of the Lord and his written word, such as Gal. 6:1-12 where, among other things, it says ..."and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed..." But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Joe also should have looked at these scriptures and treaded more carefully, and less arrogantly:
In the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11
For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Being smart doesn't make it Biblicaly or doctrinely correct. Don't forget, in regards to your "smart" question", Many WWII historians concluded that Hitler was also very smart man, but..... you know the rest of the story.
You can't just come along centuries after the ressurection and assention of Christ and suddenly declare you have some new revelation and new books to the Bible. Especially with the detestable personal life that Joe Smith lived. No way! That's an abomination!
HOW COULD JOSEPH SEE GOD?
John 1:18: No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
alanplum7 1 month ago
I add my testimony of the great work of the Lord, not just when he dwelled on the earth but today.. We all need to take a step back and now that the very essence of who he was and is being attacked all around us! Stand up with us all that those of us that are believers of Christ and doers of his words! May we stand by his side not just when he comes but in our lives daily!!
rtiffanytaylor 2 months ago
ARLINGTON, VA. - After years of sharing space for Sunday meetings and mid-week religion classes, singles in the Northern Virginia area just across the river from Washington, D.C., have their own building.
omiolo 7 months ago
Northern Virginia singles have own building
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omiolo 7 months ago
Critics typically claim that Latter-day Saints rely on "feelings" in lieu of "evidence" -- thereby implying that there is no rational thought that factors into their spiritual testimonies. This is unmitigated nonsense and contains at least three errors -- the first two of which will be discussed in this installment. . .
omiolo 10 months ago
In last week's issue, I argued that secular evidences alone can never offer the power to convert anyone to the restored gospel. Undeniable secular evidences for Joseph Smith's prophetic status would frustrate the necessity of agency and would still likely not change the hearts of those who adamantly reject the Prophet.
omiolo 10 months ago
"God speaks, not spoke" - Ralph Waldo Emerson
masterskyrunner 11 months ago
How can we tell if Joseph Smith?s claims of a First Vision were genuine or fraudulent?
jayhawk88z 1 year ago
@jayhawk88z By reading the Book of Mormon diligently and pondering in your heart, then conclude with an sincere and ernest prayer to know it what you read was true, that you keep the prayer in you heart always, and as it did with me, you will know that it is.
I bear my witness to you that was you may read will touch you with the power of the Holy Spirit. I know that.
masterskyrunner 11 months ago
@masterskyrunner The problem is mormonism disagrees with the Bible concerning the number of gods and the state of marriage. Mark 12:25 Matthew 22:30 Luke 20:35 1Cor 7:39 Deut 4:35.
RedSun875 10 months ago
I'm not trying to attack your faith but I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ and just as you want to talk to me about Mormonism I wouldn't feel I was doing my duty if I didn't defend what I think is the truth "which will set you free". And I think the truth is the Bible and I understand that you believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon but I'm saying the Bible doesn't really need/have a companion. I don't hate mormons I respect them, but I respectfully disagree with them.
ChristianRootsMan 1 year ago
@ChristianRootsMan Thanks for your respectful approach. I admire anybody who stands firm in their belief of Christ in the face of societal pressures and faithlessness. Nobody can say for sure how many Christian traditions actually survived throughout the ages. We can only attest to what we know survived, not what was lost. The Old and New Testament did miraculously make it to our current day, but is it exactly as it was when the prophets and apostles first spoke it or recorded it? Probably not.
DefendingMormonism 1 year ago 3
@DefendingMormonism while i agree all christians should at least look at the book of mormon just in case---but even at that and the doctrines dont match.they arent even close.
a biblical christian and mormon cant agree on anything pretty much.
lilbeaveymac 9 months ago
@DefendingMormonism is it even possible to believe the Bible & book of Mormon? that would be contradictory; for 1 thing thruout the bible Jesus is clearly the Son of God with all Gods spiritual attributes. Jesus warned of false prophets who come in his name. Paul said there would be doctrines of demons that would mislead. the doctrines of Joseph Smith were said to be given to him by an angel of light. the only angel of light in the bible is Lucifer who's not Jesus' spirit brother in scripture.
saintstrawman 7 months ago
@ChristianRootsMan Can you point to any specific passage where God revealed that the Bible and only the Bible is the sole word of God? Would you be willing to declare that God is truly a respecter of Persons when His own word states that he is not a respecter of persons? If he is not a respecter of persons, then how can you say that God contained his revelations and teachings in the 66 Books? By whose authority is the 66 books God's only word? Man's or God's? No Christian has answered this ?
TimothyRBerman 7 months ago
@TimothyRBerman Yes, in the book of Revelation it says that anybody that adds or revokes any of these words, so too shall the plagues be added unto him. Also, even if Christians were permitted and were at liberty to add new books to scripture, I still wouldn't accept the Book of Mormon or Mormonism in general simply on this premise since in a lot of areas I see these as diametrically opposed to the Bible and Christianity in teaching. God Bless.
ChristianRootsMan 7 months ago
@TimothyRBerman God has not stopped speaking to people by any means, but I believe that no written Revelations are recieved, since the last works of the New Testament, that are to be written in to a book for the teaching of fellow men. God can speak to us individually but adding to the Bible I believe to be prohibited. Other works such as the Catholic Church Catechism can be held in esteem but still never elevated to anywhere near the status of the Holy Bible.
ChristianRootsMan 7 months ago
So if we have preserved traditions of Jesus from his time, I think they are historically reliable, thus preserved with no need to be resotred. So they are reliable and yet they don't speak of some of the things Joseph smith does? isn't that modification not restoration of something that is already preserved? For instance I don't ever see Jesus saying we can be Gods, that he was going to the americas, that we were spirits in another realm before life. So aren't this just JS's teachings?
ChristianRootsMan 1 year ago
@ChristianRootsMan More importantly, despite surviving ancients texts, God has always given authority (priesthood) to act in His name to humans, and scripture alone is not enough to run God's kingdom, according to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. Mormons teach that in the Restoration, not only were revelations received to clarify Christian doctrine, but authority was given by God to Joseph Smith to perform Christian rituals such as baptism, and to speak in God's name.
DefendingMormonism 1 year ago
@ChristianRootsMan I think the essential texts were kept, all texts that tried to masquerade as true Christianity were expelled.(E.g. Gnostics)So I think all we need is the New Testament, there were other writings inevitably but the ones we have are all we need. The truth is taught in them. I have read parts of the Book of Mormon admittedly not a substantial amount but a lot of the doctrines seem completely new and even contradict previous Christian doctrines,so isnt this changing not restoring.
ChristianRootsMan 1 year ago
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@ChristianRootsMan (St. John 10:34-35) Jesus answered is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
vorpwa113 4 months ago
So the passion narrative is also evidently pre pauline as he refers to the tradition of the ressurection teaching in 1 Corinthians 15 passed on to him by the apostles, and scholars date this to Pauls first trip to Jerusalam which was c. 38AD, so the traditions of Jesus in the Bible are closer than most/(all) other figures in antiquity (of that time). As most traditions of that time were oral traditions thus not written to much later. (continued)
ChristianRootsMan 1 year ago
I just want to ask a question and see your response because there is a few things I don't understand about Mormonism. I believe it can be proven (and a lot of scholars adhere) that traditions in the Gospels go back much further than the Gospels themselves. Such sources as (Quelle, miracle sources, Martthew and Luke Special independant sources etc...) some are evidently pre pauline (before 50AD, the sacraments are, and also with the Eucharist there was a telling of the passion narrative.continued
ChristianRootsMan 1 year ago
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I echo the introduction to this video. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is true. These things I know, not because I am told to or forced to, but because I know of it by the workings of the Spirit of God. We are to be lights unto the world (although the true Light is Christ) to bring souls unto Him who gave His life that we might live.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
I echo the introduction to this video. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is true. These things I know, not because I am told to or forced to, but because I know of it by the workings of the Spirit of God. We are to be lights unto the world (although the true Light is Christ) to bring souls unto Him who gave His life that we might live.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Appreciate your testimony. God bless.
DefendingMormonism 1 year ago
@DefendingMormonism Thank you.
LDStothecore 11 months ago
Millions of lights are turned on at dusk and turned off at 10 p.m. on Temple Square and 10:30 p.m. on the areas surrounding the square. The light display continues through New Year’s Eve. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will also perform 16-19 December for 100,000 people, and a First Presidency Christmas devotional will be broadcast 5 December throughout the world from the Conference Center of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
omiolo 1 year ago
There are 13 or 14 camera operators in all, who rotate assignments week to week. "I love it," says Brandy Vega, who has been working with the choir for six years. "It's such a great experience to come listen to the choir, to be part of this production," she says. "And no matter how often I hear it, I cry every single time at the end when they sing 'God Be With You.' "
omiolo 1 year ago
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I just want to ask you a simple yes or no question, if i say: I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, that the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am 50 years old. And I die at 25, does that make me a false prophet?
mkvl250 1 year ago
This website's great value is not found just in its numerous,
meaningful witnesses borne of the reality of the Restoration, but
also in demonstrating the ultimate compatibility "of things both in
heaven and in the earth" (D&C 88:79).
omiolo 1 year ago
The Hughes Brothers have been performing in Branson for 16 years. In that time they have been able to attend at least a dozen or more baptisms of audience members, employees and business associates who were first introduced to subtle gospel principles in their shows.
omiolo 1 year ago
John does not name Mary in his Gospel, but calls her "the mother of Jesus." Jesus simply calls her "woman."
"While efforts have been made to explain Jesus' reference to her as 'woman' as a sign of respect or deference, there is little precedent for this in either Greek or the presumed original Aramaic words of Jesus," Huntsman wrote.
omiolo 1 year ago
"Some things were hard to get used to," Taylor said. "I remember she couldn't play on Sunday. 'Why not? Why does it matter?' I didn't understand why girls shouldn't wear a tank top."
Matsumura says there was no preconceived plan to convert Taylor. She simply enjoyed her company.
omiolo 1 year ago
The Book of Mormon, like the Bible, contains a record of God's dealings with a part of the House of Israel. It contains prophecies of Christ and also reveals how Christ, after his resurrection and ascension into heaven, later ministered to those who had waited for him in the New World. The Book of Mormon was anciently abridged by a prophet named Mormon and was engraved on gold plates, to preserve the sacred writing for a future time.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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2 Nephi 33:4
4 And I know that the Lord God will consecrate my prayers for the gain of my people. And the words which I have written in weakness will be made strong unto them; for it persuadeth them to do good; it maketh known unto them of their fathers; and it speaketh of Jesus, and persuadeth them to believe in him, and to endure to the end, which is life eternal.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
Mormon Apologetic Scholarship and Evangelical Neglect:
Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?
Carl Mosser and Paul Owen
1997 Evangelical Theological Society Far West Annual Meeting
April 25, 1997
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
1 Nephi 9:16
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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The correct baptism for EVERY individual on the PLANET that lived to gain a knowlegde of good and evil or a conscience will require the Correct baptism by IMMERSION by one holding the authrority from Jesus Christ.
the Church of Jesus christ performs the baptisms for the dead and is the exact restoration of the exact church Jesus christ attempted to set up during His great ministry.
built upon a foundation of apostles and prophets Ephesians 2:20 the early christians were put to death.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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1 Nephi. 9: 16
16 And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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1 Nephi. 9: 16
16 And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
Peter 3:20 talks bout all the spirits that waited to hear the gospel of jesus Christ since the day of the great flood so they use their agency to accept it or not. The like figure (AGE) whereunto baptism doth now save us, that is 8 souls.
But c'mon Every knee will bow, every tongue shall confess this about jesus?. Does it not say this?
How could a muslim, buddist, taoist, catholic, protestant, evolutionist, ect ect ect every be included in that wording if it were not true?
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
Malachi's words were considered so important that the Savior gave to the Nephites all of chapters 3 and 4 of Malachi, which end with this prophecy of Elijah's return. After commanding them to write the words (3 Ne. 24:1), he explained, "These scriptures, which ye had not with you, the Father commanded that I should give unto you; for it was wisdom that they should be given unto future generations." (3 Ne. 26:2.)
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
Denial of sin, and abhorance to ignorant people like you.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
I testify that the restoration of the true gospel of Jesus Christ is completely biblical.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
Go back to playing Dungeons and dragons. you are just not ready for the truth.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
We are the restored church of Christ. Your mormon nickname changes nothing. ever wonder why Gladys Knight and her whole family joined the church of Christ?
Oh and thousands of years of PLURAL marriage isn't anything less than your inability to keep your own.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
umm excuse me? What makes you assume there is a lack of morals. It's about the human family. Please don't make that mistake again.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
Isaiah 4:1 Due to lack of men from war, when the Saviour Jesus Christ returns, the plural marriage will be reinstated.
Thank God I am here to apologize for LDS.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
many have tried and failed.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
Afterall Dawkins is another statistic of a once theist turned atheist due to abuse in the Catholic church, the apostate church and whore seen by John the revelator.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
Too bad Ben Stein made Dawkins look stupid on camera.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
@StackMo1
So he made some money by attacking believers in the TRUE and LIVING God that has appeared to mankind from time to time and that makes him better than me?
FAIL
I go write a book and I can just as cool as him? HAHA
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
Joe Smith was n insane liar.
max2right 1 year ago
There is no evidence that gods exist.
max2right 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins is a moron.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
"The problem is not that the world's way is too satisfying. The problem is that the world's way isn't satisfying enough. It cannot satisfy. It doesn't have the power. It is a tragically cheap imitation of the real thing. The real thing is full of authentic, bridled, eternally committed love and passion."
omiolo 1 year ago
I love people who come on here to Troll!
It reminds me that I'm in the right place.
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago 2
@THELDSLIFE Well put.
ridersmvt999 1 year ago
until many were led into the commission of crime; have been apprehended and broken down by their opponents, and many have been obliged to abandon their country, their families, and all they possessed, and great affliction has been brought upon the whole Church. What shall we say to these things? Did not your prophet proclaim in your ears that the day was your own, and you should overcome; when in less than a week you were all made prisoners of war, and you would have been exterminated,
theminimumdog 1 year ago
-and plan after plan has been overthrown, and our Prophet seemed not to know the event till too late. If he said go up and prosper, still we did not prosper; but have labored and toiled, and waded through trials, difficulties, and temptations, of various kinds, in hope of deliverance. But no deliverance came. The promises failed, and time after time we have been disappointed; and still were commanded, in the most rigid manner, to follow him, which the Church did,
theminimumdog 1 year ago
Early mormon John Corill left mormonism after problems in Missouri, and in 1839 he wrote: I have left you, not because I disbelieve the Bible, for I believe in God, the Saviour, and religion the same as ever; but when I retrace our track, and view the doings of the Church for six years past, I can see nothing that convinces me that God has been our leader; calculation after calculation has failed,
theminimumdog 1 year ago
great video!
BLKMRM 1 year ago
Each student researcher has a list of several questions he or she is trying to answer. Sometimes they hit a dead end on one, so they start working on another. They have access to many of the same historical documents the editors in the Church History Department do. They also use maps, references on the period's culture and politics and online search engines -- like Google books -- to help find answers.
omiolo 1 year ago
"We have a saying," Darowski said. "That 'when you stop looking for something, that's when you find it.'"
omiolo 1 year ago
I love how Elder Maxwell asks us to "Feast" in the revelatory banquet... it sounds much nicer than what Isaiah said.
"For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Indeed, the waters in which we drink come from the spring high a top the mountains... the milk is as pure as mama's milk and the Holy Spirit is strong!
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago 5
@THELDSLIFE
Elder Maxwell likely used the analogy as a sharp contrast to that of Isaiah's - hearing both provide great imagery.
DefendingMormonism 1 year ago 3
@DefendingMormonism
It's just SO unfortunately true! MANY people tell me how much more they trust in their leftover meals and treat the new banquet as something to throw away like the bones.
It's Alice in the Looking Glass they prefer to eat the bones. I just don't get it!
I hear them talk about how great the original banquet was.
I suppose that even chewing on bones can give them nourishment but good God, come inside people! Its a dark age mentality and its getting ridiculous!
ToThisEndWasIMormon 1 year ago
The spirit witnesses to our souls that the gospel of Christ is true. (1John 5:5-6)
That same spirit can be felt by men who do not have a doubting heart. Blessed are they who have not seen but still believe, so said the master to Thomas, who would not believe unless he had a definite manifestation of his resurrection.
In like manner, blessed are those who did not live in the days of Adam, Enoch, of Noah, Abraham, Moses, of Isaiah, of Jesus and of late, Joseph Smith and yet believe.
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
Elder Robert D. Hales: Joseph Smith Memorial Fireside addresses Mormon young single adults
omiolo 1 year ago
Style guide note: When reporting about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, please use the complete name of the Church in the first reference
omiolo 1 year ago
A view into how Hugh Nibley studied the truth
omiolo 1 year ago
Furthermore, although the Lord promises to give us knowledge, I do not believe that He will give us any enlightenment if we have not prepared ourselves to receive that knowledge
omiolo 1 year ago
Though he is now retired, he continues to apply for, and so far has been selected, to work the Olympics.
He usually takes his wife, Kathy, with him to the Games. Though she has to spend much of the time alone in the hotel, they do get out some, including attending Church meetings on Sunday. Brother Adams said it is usually easy for him to trade a Sunday shift to get away for Church.
omiolo 1 year ago
A native of Parowan, Utah, he got his training during a long career working for communications company Qwest, beginning when it was known as Mountain Bell. He began his Olympics experience when Qwest assigned him to work for four years on the 2002 Olympic Games in Salt Lake City. During that time, he worked at the 2000 Summer Games in Sydney, Australia.
omiolo 1 year ago
Sweet: Just scroll down Beehive Message to find darling idea after darling idea to supplement your calling. It includes Primary music ideas and printables, games, Young Women activities, Relief Society messages and much more. Check out the labels to find something sweet and simple for your next activity.
omiolo 1 year ago
Exciting: With the Olympics now in full swing in Vancouver, I loved reading this blog about a sister missionary who got the exciting opportunity to participate in the "Olympic Torch Relay" as it went through the town of Penticton. What a marvelous missionary memory!
omiolo 1 year ago
Only a heathen like you would comment like you do, Senatus.
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
This man is just rambling.
SenatusPopulesQueRom 2 years ago
@SenatusPopulesQueRom
Hey Parrot! Polly want a cracker?!
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
@LDSapologist71
Is this the best you can do?
SenatusPopulesQueRom 2 years ago
@Senatus
I guess I better go buy an indulgence to pay for my short-coming?
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
@LDSapologist71
No, just repent and turn towards the Gospel.
SenatusPopulesQueRom 2 years ago
@SenatusPopulesQueRom
The gospel of Christ I've already accepted, and been baptized properly and entered at the straight gate already.
Galatians 1:6-9
LDSapologist71 2 years ago
Elder Sam Wong, Area Seventy assigned to the Hong Kong stakes, said, "Chinese members of the Church in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and many other countries will greatly appreciate having these sacred scriptures available to them on-line, and they will increasingly use them to learn and grow spiritually."
omiolo 2 years ago
The subtle conflation of the location of two trees in the Genesis account seems intentional, preparing readers for the confusion that later ensues in the dialogue between Eve and the serpent
omiolo 2 years ago
For example, it has been suggested that these two trees were in reality different aspects of a single tree, that they shared a common trunk, or were somehow intertwined
omiolo 2 years ago
There was a bazillion attacks on the prophet Joseph Smith!
IT must mean that at least ONE of them is true!
This is a tactic used in business at times; its called, "a shotgun" approach... not even a bullet that was shot at him as a boy would even kill him... None shot at him in a barrage of gun fire can touch the hero again.
His testimony sure... his prophet-ship sealed up unto him with the testimony of his own blood. I testify that he will stand along side the Christian martyrs that John saw.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
Elder Maxwell was amazing. I still miss him every time I watch Conference.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago 6
@UShistoryX2
Ditto :)
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
Strive to increase your knowledge of all that is virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy. Seek knowledge by study and also by faith. Seek with a humble spirit and contrite heart.
omiolo 2 years ago
Brethren, you have a duty to learn as much as you can. Please encourage your families, your quorum members, everyone to learn and become better educated. If formal education is not available, do not allow that to prevent you from acquiring all the knowledge you can. Under such circumstances, the best books, in a sense, can become your university—a classroom that is always open and admits all who apply
omiolo 2 years ago
During challenging times, it is even more important to learn. The Prophet Joseph taught, Knowledge does away with darkness, [anxiety], and doubt; for these cannot exist where knowledge is
omiolo 2 years ago
Joseph taught the Saints that knowledge was a necessary part of our mortal journey, for a man is saved no faster than he [gains] knowledge,8 and that whatever principle of intelligence we attain . . . in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection
omiolo 2 years ago
Joseph Smith loved learning even though he had few opportunities for formal education. In his journals, he spoke happily of days spent in study and often expressed his love of learning
omiolo 2 years ago
For members of the Church, education is not merely a good idea—its a commandment. We are to learn of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad
omiolo 2 years ago
THANK YOU for this wonderful video! A+
clydenebowen 2 years ago 3
amazing video..amazing man!
09msballer 2 years ago 4
amazing video, i love this..joseph is a hero...he did the lord's work and brought the true church back, the only true church upon this earth.
lasvegasballer1 2 years ago 2
Your comment is just one of the many reasons that your church is not Christian and is a cult.
Isaiah469 2 years ago
Isaiah469- Your comment is just one of the many reasons why using the term "Christian" to describe so-called "Christians" like yourself is probably a misnomer.
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
Why because I called out the spiritual arrogance of thinking that your church is the truth on the earth. Jesus is the truth, not a church. Thinking that your church is the only way to Jesus and the only true body believer (as well as many other things) disqualifies you as part of the body of Christ. Of course you can join the body of Chrst as soon as you want to, you just have to choose to truly follow Christ and not a man or a religious system. The Spirit and the bride say come.
Isaiah469 2 years ago
Isaiah469-
It is unfortunate, but if you had lived in Jerusalem at the meridian of time, you would have likely also thought the Savior Jesus Christ "arrogant" when he declared that he is the way, the truth, and the life.
We do not worship the Church. That is merely your perception, which is incorrect.
We worship Jesus Christ. It is He who has established His Church in our day as the means by which we can learn His Gospel.
To you I say likewise- the Spirit and the bride say come.
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
No, Jesus was telling the truth, but your church lies saying it is the only way to Jesus. God established His church almost 2000 years ago, after He prophecied about this redemption for around 4000 years. You think that he let His plan get thwarted after 60 years? Ridiculous, God always has a remnant. If you take an honest look you will see that Jesus is not the center of your church, He is not who is spoken about in your meetings and who it proclaimed by your missionaries.
Isaiah469 2 years ago
I have attended your churches and Jesus is mentioned in a couple of your hymns and in your prayers only, He is not the subject of your meetings. You hear the names of your leaders more than you hear the name Jesus. And in your testimonies are of Smith being a true prophet and of your church and not of Jesus redeeming your souls and allowing you to spend eternity with him. How often do you just tell people of Jesus and not add Joseph Smith to discussion?
Isaiah469 2 years ago
Isaiah469-
To put it simply - you are wrong.
Telling others, and trying to convince yourself, that we do not worship the Lord Jesus Christ, that we do not put him at the center of our Church, and the center of our lives - will get you nowhere because it is not true.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I value my knowledge of him over all else. I treasure my experiences with his Atonement as priceless.
And I am grateful that through Joseph Smith, I have an even better understanding of Jesus.
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
If you really love Jesus that much then eventually you will see the difference between the LDS church and one that really lives for Him. I pray that God continues to draw by His Spirit. Hopefully we'll meet in heaven one day as two who have been redeemed by the Lamb.
Isaiah469 2 years ago
How many times did you really attend the LDS Church? one or two times? I've been going to the LDS 25 plus years and EVERTHING is centered around living a christlike life, its all about his redemption, his sacrafice, his obedience to his Father in heaven. He is the subject of ALL the meetings and his spirit is always prayed for. Other churches add HYPE and not substance, LDS follow through and see the widows, homeless, sick and father-less. They are DOERS and not hearers only.
dirkhunter 2 years ago
I will give it to you that LDS people are good at taking care of people in need. The fact that you do that is commenable. I have only been to a few services, but my wife who was in the church 25 years agrees with me and so do all our other friends who left the church. The services mention Jesus but they are not all about HIm, when LDS people talk, they speak a lot of the church but little of Jesus, and if you look at your hymns you can see that there is a lot oher focus besides Jesus
Isaiah469 2 years ago
The sacrament ALWAYS has hymns that sing about his sacrafice. The testimonies are always centered around thankfulness for Christs sacrafice. The Church is Christ's so when thankfulness is centered about the church it is all about Christ and not just lip service but true heart felt charity and love for Christ and for the saints.
dirkhunter 2 years ago
I have one question, do you believe that man, gods, angles, and satan are all the same species? Thus making Jesus and Satan our older brothers?
I ask this because if you are following the same Jesus and Christians then we should believe He has the same origin correct?
Christians believe Jesus is the God not a god and he has always been God and is not a created being.
Who is your Jesus? Satan is trying to take the true Jesus away from you!
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
The purpose of most people against the church is to somehow put satan and Jesus on the same level we do not, He was in Heaven and fell from it so he was our spiritual brother but that is all. He was not a God and is not the creator of this earth, Jesus is and that's what the LDS teach. That he has a Father and he was the creator of our spirits, Jesus is devine and created many worlds under the direction of his Father, this can be all found in the scriptures if you really want to look.
dirkhunter 2 years ago
First Thank you for not calling me anti-mormon. I am not at all, I am against Mormonism, it is so full of lies and satan uses it to take away from the truth in who Jesus is and the power in the Bible.
Now, you believe there are many worlds with people like us on them correct? why then was satan sent here? LDS teach they are brothers and both work in our lives right? We also can be gods on another planet? What does this say about the true and only God? Think about it!
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Also please feel free to show me how you were shown this to be true?
I would like to share how the truth in the Bible will set you free!
God Bless!
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Paul said that we are heirs, what is an heir? Rom 8:17. Doesn't that mean we can inherit what God has? and what does he have? Worlds without number. So God is going to keep it all to himself? If you really believe in the bible believe in ALL of it not just bits and pieces. The lies are how many interprete the scriptures and mold it to their teachings. The LDS use much more historical facts theorically than most of you born-againers do. satan was cast out it says so in Isa 14:12.
dirkhunter 2 years ago
Every Christian lives in the hope of glory to come. Our hope is best summed up in 1 John 3:2: "When [Christ] shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." David said, "I will behold thy face in righteousness; I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness" (Ps. 17:15). Our great hope is to be in heaven in God's presence and be like Christ. The theme of Romans 8:17-30 is our hope of such glory.
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
I also have to add that if the LDS use "historical facts" as you say, what have you found to support the BOM? The Bible get proven true more and more every day, the BOM??? not at all...I am not trying to point fingers just stating facts. Look it up yourself, dont go ask your biship or other church leaders, LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF.
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Click my name and watch the videos! Nothing to support the BofM? See farms, fairlds, jefflindsay. The LDS have mounds of evidence but anti's continue to dissuade and elude people from the truth.
dirkhunter 2 years ago
Oh yeah I forgot you have the kinderhook plates, the Hill Cumorah, the Book of Abraham, Indians were the Lamanites, etc. Lets see you list a couple things here, not all since there must be so much right?
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
:)
1 Cor. 12:3
Sometimes I envy those people who grow up in 3rd world countries w/o access to the internet and all the philosophies of man.
God loves them just as much as those who grow up wealthy, educated, financially successful, etc.
And they have just as much a chance to follow Jesus Christ faithfully with all their heart.
All they need is a witness of Jesus through the Holy Spirit, and they can rely on their entire lives.
Why must it be different with any of us?
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
God only wants to spend eternity with us. can you agree with that? Eternal separation from God is HELL!
Now according to the LDS there are 3 levels of heaven. only one is with GOD! So the lower levels are Eternal separation from God. Would you want that of anyone? now if they are not LDS and follow all the rules and rituals can they spend eternity in the highest level with God?
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Exod.: #1 Do you assume that LDS believe that everyone who has ever existed, must believe in the restored gospel? The whole point of the gospel is that of non-neglect! Neglect was a charge against early Christians, by early critics. They & LDS, because of the doctrines have been restored, testify that God isn't neglectful of any soul that didn't hear about Christ's atonement & get many opportunities to change, repent & follow him. Thus, to not be neglectful, God sent angelic messengers,
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
Exod.: #2 God sent prophets, missionaries, & spoke to the nations in all ages & in all times, except when they lost the spiritual gifts & fell away into times of apostasies. When that happened, God was not neglectful of giving the millions of souls chances to hear the gospel, for he again sent angels, prophets, messengers, saints to preach to them in the spirit world. Thus, some got their first hearing, others, once disobedient, many hearings. Christ also went to other nations in pre-birth,
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
Exod.: #3, & post-resurrection world wide missions to show the world his resurrected glorified body; & so they could become eye witnesses for Christ through scriptures. Thus, in not being neglectful in these ways, God has made it possible for his children to be able to return according to what light & knowledge they were given & according to the prophets & messengers that they learned of Christ from. So to answer your question, they wouldn't have to be LDS to be saved in ancient times.
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
Exod.: If you think that Christ didn't go to other nations, realms, or send any prophets to other lands; who then wrote down God's word, like biblical prophets. To then become their scriptures in their own far away lands from bible lands. If you think that God only spoke to biblical prophets in biblical times only. Then your faced with challenges to answer early anti-Christians' charges of neglect. Plus the challenge to find out what doctrines early Christian apologists used to answer!
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
Exod.: Do you have "right Jesus"? Jesus of 4th century Nicene Creed? 3 in 1 Godhead? A Jesus & Godhead formula said to not even be in scriptures, according to those Fathers who gave us that creed. If so, are you also asking LDS to believe biblically backed doctrines Fathers wrote about, that of deification = becoming gods? If not, why? Why don't you also tell LDS that they're not Christians because, in addition to said creed, they, (LDS), don't believe in 4th cent. Fathers' deification?
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
First you need to trust the Bible. You really do not instead pass it off as almost correct. You follow a man made system of writings that show god as changing and always changing his mind. Polygamy yes...wait no...wait yes...wait no.... then blood attonment the only way...no don't do it...yes do it..no I changed my mind again.
If I was LDS I would not know what to do. am I saved? yes wait now im not... ok I am saved...darn now I am not???
Trust the Bible! ALONE!!!
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Exod.: #1 Trust the Bible ALONE!? Which bible? The ones that respected the book of Enoch as scriptures? The Shepherd of Hermas? Or the one that kicked out the Book of Rev.? How about those that start with pre-existence themes, rather than just the creation? Or those that have temple type bible illustrations in them? Which version of the bible would you suggest is the best, most correct & represents the original messages as it was originally written? Which bible do you use & trust?
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
Hmm which Bible? maybe the JS version? The best way to test a version is to see who wrote it. was it a man following what man wanted or was it writen my many who were lead by God? I really think you need to look up the Dead Sea Scrolls, they can help you find the truth and (if any) problems.
Oh by the way which Book of Mormon do you use? The original 1830 edition (black skin is bad) or the changed 1965 edition (blacks can be priests)? plus all the other changes.
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Exo
you never asnwered restored's question. Why do you fear that answer?
We Mormons are pretty use to your AVOIDANCE!
omiolo 2 years ago
Sorry I thought it was just typical LDS false interpitations. I try to not attack the lost to much but ok let me see here...looks like the typical missuse of John 10:16 "other sheep" and other false views. I may run out of space so like RESTORED did I will use multi. comments.
Your Apostle James Talmage "The 'other sheep' here referred to constituted the separated flock or remnant of the house of Joseph..." But this is not correct, If you actually read it in context...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
The passage is a reference to the Gentiles who would soon be presented the Good News of salvation and engrafted into the Christian fold. Mormons deny the Christian interpretation by insisting that Jesus meant these "other sheep" would actually hear His literal voice. The problem is the message could be transmitted by some other means than by the actual speaking of a person.
For instance, time and time again the children of Israel were commanded to listen to "the voice" of the Lord...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Read Deuteronomy 27:10; 1 Samuel 12:15; 2 Kings 18:12 to help you here. Despite this warning, rarely do we find the children of Israel ever actually hearing the voice of the Lord Himself. Instead, God used Moses and other prophets as His mouthpiece. Of course this was the old testament books and After Jesus we did not need further Prophecies the Bible is complete.
Anyway back to the subject at hand...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
There are good reasons why the Christian church has understood Jesus to be speaking of the Gentiles in John 10:16. Though Jesus' specific ministry was directed toward the Jew, this is not to say that Christ ignored the Gentile people living in Palestine during His mortal ministry. A classic example is Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman at Jacob's Well in Sychar (John 4:7-26)...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
In Matthew 15:22-28, we find our Lord heeding the request of a Canaanite woman whose daughter was "vexed with a devil." When Jesus tested her faith by explaining that He was "sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel," she humbly replied that even lowly dogs "eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." In response, Jesus told the woman that her request was granted (vs. 28)...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Our Lord's use of the word sheep cannot be ignored since it is the same language he used in John chapter 10. Jesus' actions in these accounts fulfill perfectly what was spoken of Him long before. In Isaiah 11, God's prophet predicts the day when the "root of Jesse" shall stand as a banner to the people, and "the Gentiles shall seek him" (6:10). In Romans 15:8-13, the apostle Paul refers to this passage as being fulfilled in Christ...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
In Isaiah 55:5, God calls unto all of those who are spiritually thirsty, including those who were not recognized as a nation. In Isaiah 56:5,6 the Lord promises to give an everlasting name that is better than that given to "sons and daughters." This name would be given to the "sons of the stranger," an expression used to speak of foreigners in Israel who did not have inherited rights (Exodus 12:48; 22:21; Leviticus 17:15; Acts 7:29)...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
In the 16th chapter of Isaiah, it is predicted that a day would come when a deep darkness would cover the people while at the same time "the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising" (vs. 3). The prophet Malachi also foretold of the day when God's name shall be "great among the Gentiles" (Malachi 1:11)...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
Following Christ's death and resurrection, the disciples carried on the tradition of taking the Gospel to the House of Israel. However, when the Jews rejected Paul's message on his first missionary journey to Antioch of Pisidia, he declared that he would take his message to the Gentiles. In doing so, he quoted from Isaiah 49:6 which reads, "I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the ends of the earth."...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago 2
This emphasis is further realized in Ephesians 2:14. Speaking of how the blood of Christ has brought together those Gentiles who were alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, Paul stated, "For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us." You cannot ignore this passage and that of John 10:16 are the same...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago 2
In Ephesians 3:3-5 Paul revealed a mystery that "in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men," but had only recently been revealed to God's people. According to Ephesians 3:6, this mystery was the inclusion of the Gentiles as "fellow heirs" who would partake of His promise in Christ by the Gospel. Though the Old Testament gave scattered hints to such a time, these references, like that of the ministry of Christ Himself, was not fully understood until it actually happened...
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago 2
It was only within the context of Christ's sacrifice did the passages become clear. The once-separated Gentiles were now on an equal footing with their Jewish counterparts. Through the acceptance of the Gospel, they too could experience the intimate love and personal relationship with their Creator.
I hope this helps you put to rest any connection the LDS have made from this verse to the BOM. This passage speaks directly of non-Jewish Gentiles.
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
@Isaiah469 you have it all backwards what jesus is to the lds people,you are making a mountain out of a mole hil,its plain and simple we believe and worship Jesus Christ plain and simple if you cant come to grips that we do then get over yourself and swallow your pride!.
getdownto311 5 months ago
@getdownto311 My comment has nothing to do with my pride, but of a concern to see the people that God created worship Him the way that He desires them to. If you want to talk about it further feel free to message me and I would love to talk to you. Not here to attack you, but I hope that what I say makes you think because there are a lot of people who think that they are in the truth and are not. I was one of them and that was when I had to swallow my pride, get over myself and repent.
Isaiah469 5 months ago
We testify that He will someday return to earth. And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together (Isaiah 40:5). He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him. Each of us will stand to be judged of Him according to our works and the desires of our hearts.
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TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago 4
Hey TrueSaintsLDS,
Our troll also uses the names,
secretbandmember2, chainstick88, Theeagerburger, yerabiggerjokefool, and Whyzitsotough.
I'm wondering why he doesn't just say "We are Legion" and let it go at that.
JackNimble61 2 years ago 4
Archaeological Evidences
Book of Mormon
Buildings as seen by any tourist in Meso and South America
2 Ne. 5:15; Mosiah 8:8; Mosiah 9:8; Mosiah 11:8
Cement of unusual strength
Hel. 3:7, 9, 11
Towers seen by Cortez in his explanation
Alma 48:1; Alma 50:4
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty
2 Peter 1:16
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Whysitsotough, while I appreciate your passion and that you have not been deceived by the teachings of LDS, your name calling and foul language will only further convince themselves that they are somehow enlightened, and that people like you are "lost" and in "darkness".
I could be the most eloquent and gifted apologist of the Bible of all time, but if the Holy Spirit has not softened the heart of a Mormon, they will not listen. Satan appears as an agel of light and has deceived them all.
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
Sadly, there are at least 22 different verses I know of that are racist against people of color and blacks. Just read 1st and 2nd Nephi Jacob, Alma, 3 Nephi Mormon, etc...
Mormon 5:15, for example: "...shall become a DARK, FILTHY people..."
Alma 3:6 says that DARK SKIN IS A CURSE!
2Nephi 30:6 "...scales of darkness shall begin to fall...they shall be a WHITE and delightsome people." (LDS adapted this in 1981 to say "pure" ilo "white". Obviously not inspired words from God)
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
The Mormons point to the great Mayan ruins to establish that there was at one time a great civilization in southern Mexico and Guatemala. However, the Maya had their own pagan religion and history that has NO (i.e. NONE!) connection to the supposed Book of Mormon people.
Historically, the Bible continues to be one of the most accurate historical books ever written. To this day, they still unearth places mentioned in the Bible. The LDS book lacks any archeological & historical evidence.
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
It has been around 170 years, or more, since Joseph Smith first published the Book of Mormon. To date, there is not one artifact that can be identified as being made by the people of the Book of Mormon. Also, there is no official map designating the location of any Book of Mormon city. Joseph Smith preserved an example of the supposed writing on the plates. No other sample of such writing has ever been found in the Americas.
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
You're just going to get your comments removed because you can't speak tactfully.
LOL
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for the true gospel of JESUS CHRIST
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
From what I have seen, comments get removed in which LDS has no legit response to.
Another question that I have heard many people ask, is if LDS is a church that authentically believes in who Jesus is, why is there not a cross on any of their churches?
For, with out Christ's work on the cross, there is no hope of salvation, no grace available to sinners. For it is by grace you have been saved, NOT by works, so that no man can boast.
= )
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
LOL
And then you woke up!
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Revelations was easily the last book written. All legit scholars put it around 90-95.
pleasurerider2009 2 years ago
John wrote the book of John after the book of Revelations.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
John is around AD 85 at the latest. "more recently some scholars place the book as early as the 50's and not later than 70's" .
Revelations: Majority of legitimate scholars place the date around 95-96 AD.
Also, it's worth reminding that Revelations is a revelation from Jesus to John. So, when it is said not to add or subract, it is with much authority.
Also, a reminder of Jn 10:30, where Jesus said "I and the Father are One."
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
Think about it. Seriously. In very recent history, a man comes along and claims he has new revelations from God, and then adds his own books to THE Bible!
He missed where it says in Revelations not to take away or ADD to the Bible. Also, Christians know the Bible says that God's word is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Yet, LDS has had to ammend it's book with numorous "progressive revelations" to help cover up all the historical, archeological errors&doctrinal contradictions. WAKE UP!
pleasurerider2009 2 years ago
pleasurerider2009- Are you seriously going to try and use the "add/take away" argument using the scripture in Revelations?
Since you unfortunately do not understand the history of the Bible, I wonder if the silliness of this argument is even worth refuting.
Did you know that the New Testament is not in chronological order?
Revelations was not the last book written - so according to your logic, the Bible books written after it would also be "amended" "progressive revelations"!
Pls study up.
DefendingMormonism 2 years ago
Have you read Galations 6:1-12, or does the LDS say it has not been "translated correctly"?
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
Joe SMith should have showed more fear of the Lord and his written word, such as Gal. 6:1-12 where, among other things, it says ..."and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed..." But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
Joe also should have looked at these scriptures and treaded more carefully, and less arrogantly:
In the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11
For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
DakineGrinds 2 years ago
Being smart doesn't make it Biblicaly or doctrinely correct. Don't forget, in regards to your "smart" question", Many WWII historians concluded that Hitler was also very smart man, but..... you know the rest of the story.
You can't just come along centuries after the ressurection and assention of Christ and suddenly declare you have some new revelation and new books to the Bible. Especially with the detestable personal life that Joe Smith lived. No way! That's an abomination!
DakineGrinds 2 years ago