Brazil Protests Danish Inhumanity: Capoeira-Roda July 3 2007

[antoniobravim]

leave the danes alone, everybory should mind their own business. porra !! sempre alguem querendo criticar o comportamento de algumas etnias sobre algum assunto.

[TheCasao86]

brazil in my opinion is a very brutal racist country a tiny minority lord it over an impoverished beaten majority of coloured citizens

like one guy said on here already racism in brazil is worse than in europe for sure !

[StellandBlood]

Brazilians are always protesting,and complaining,they have the complex of colonized by europeans,if anything negative happens, they behave pathetically like a little kid to whom was stolen a ice cream.

Danish shouldn´t give any importance to them.

[stxrobstar]

I'm a man of Carib descent residing not five miles from Buddhoe Park in Frederiksted St. Croix and I can unequivocally state that there are more people clapping away in this video than there are people in the former Danish West Indies who give a crap about reparations or even an apology from Denmark.

Furthermore, Capoeira was never part of the cultural folkways of the former D.W.I. and we earned our own freedom long ago without any paternal help from the court jester culture dancers of Europe.

[peri1500]

Danmark borde erkänna sitt Brott!

[freddy8943]

Cambada pé de chinelo!

[tw1704]

African culture appreciated in Europe? Wooooooow. I rarely see this.

[shokes1008]

It's sad, isn't it? Europe & America grew into wealthy empires, the current G-8, on the sweat, blood and resources of Africans.

A lot of other places too. It's all come back now to haunt the "western world."

It can also be seen as an "oportunity," for the BS and its spin in the world to finally be treated.

But it takes courage to look in the mirror when seeking to find the devil in the world.

[Nhansan]

I am Brazilian and suffer more racism IN BRAZIL than anywhere alse on this Planet! and I have been around a lot!

[danishauthor]

I'm so sorry, Nhansan. I think with globalization, the worst of humanity as well as the best of humanity has spread throughout the world like some flu virus. Hopefully we will survive ourselves.

[911KissMyAss]

act like a human if u wanna be one?

This arhbæh. can fuck off ;D

[MuayThaiViking]

omg who cares what our ancestors did to the slaves 100years ago. yes it was terrible but you cant blame the danish people today. why the hell should anders fogh (our prime minister) give you an apologize?

if he did that, then it would be as if HE did something wrong in the past. the danish people are against all forms of slavery and human depression so we have absolutely NOTHING to apologize for

[shokes1008]

Acknowledging the past helps prevent the recycling of past mistakes, as with Fogh's decision to go unilateral with Bush, and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, making homeless millions of children and feeding the very psycho-social *machine* that drives some desperate people to be locked into the only angry response they have: terror. Bush & Fogh's invasion of Iraq is tantamount to terrorism. They have not learned the lessons of the past since they refuse to acknowledge them.

[MuayThaiViking]

the war in iraq/afghanistan has nothing to do with apologizing for what our ancestors did to slaves. u can make som abstract parallels but, we have nothing to apologize for when it comes to slavery. it happened in another time. and who should we apologize to? the black people today? they have never been slaves. so they dont deserve an apologize at all. end of discussion!

[shokes1008]

It has EVERYTHING in the universe to do with it.

For the wealth of Denmark - its "kongerige" - is based entirely on such practices between a power and a weaker but exploitable population. Look at AP Møller of Mærsk, the wealthiest entrepreneur in Denmark. That entire fortune was premised on how he helped the Nazis with earning a fortune from supplying Occupationjal forces with weapons.

Denmark virtually is the only western government not to apologize for its atrocious history.

[shokes1008]

And the fact that Africa to this day is often a hell on Earth is based on that history...

Denmark has been registered as the world's most paranoid nation over the dilution of its precious Nordic race. A *race* which forensic anthropologists from U of Copenhagen has stated, in analyzing m-DNA of viking-era graves, simply does not exist. These are all issues residual in current fear-driven behavior based on not acknowledging the past.

Færdig slut prut...

[shokes1008]

MuiThaiVking,

I accidentally deleted your last comment, and it was not so based on erroneous information as the others, above. Glad you are a proud Dane. You bet I am too, which is the ONLY reason for being so very critical of what is currently destroying Denmark. A lot went very bad in this world, from the Bush nonsense in America, including the election of the Borgerlig regering, which has handicapped our social infrastructures and diverted those funds to socialism for multinationals.

[shokes1008]

We Danes are still reaping our wealth from exploiting weaker populations, perhaps on a grander per-capita scale than even America and China. This is due to our Danish institutions, such as Mærsk, which owns most of the products sold in all our stores, via Dansk Supermarked (Føtex, Bilka, Netto etc...) [and Wal-Mart in the USA] products taken from impacted regions of the world in a way that destroys their local economies.

[shokes1008]

Hence, we are still behaving like lords and masters to vast populations, focused on Africa again, like since Christian IV, whose many exploits included the the institutionalizing of the Danish international slave trade. Until we acknowledge the facts, and look at how we still today behave like in the past, we will continue to be destroying Denmark. Dk never in history been seen in the world as a greedy nation - even though it always was, to wit, Shakespeare and HC Andersen, who wrote of this.

[shokes1008]

In a sense, this is all a good thing. Denmark is slowly being forced, via its nonsense in waging war and the economic collapses, to face the inertia of the past into the present. We can either do it screaming bloody murder at foreigners, like Pia Kjærsgaard. Or be like a Mandela, and do Denmark proud by acknowledging the mistakes of the past so we can get on with the business of being a respectable member of a world community seeking fairness, peace and stability for their children & futures

[jurbinsky77]

What is the need to smokescreen a horrible systematic massacre of christians in Darfur with something that is in the first place is unrelated and completely warrant a separate discourse?

It is not justifiable for a muslim central government to commit injustice to the people of other religious conviction.

Why is it so difficult for a muslim to live in free state, live and let live. They should let go of the sura that calls for muslims to kill non-mulims.

[shokes1008]

As with so many political movements within the US trying to free America from what both Eisenhower and JFK warned in no uncertain terms as the greatest threat to humanity-the US military industrial complex (and its allied fossil fuel industry)-so too are there Muslim movements to free themselves from what may trap their societies. F.x: The Free Muslims Coalition. The Muslim world is as far from being monolithic in ideology as America is monolithic in the violent ideology of Bush / McCain et al.

[jurbinsky77]

Darfur is an open book and yet muslims will continue to justify their abuse towards the Christians. Two (2) countries are also good case studies, Thailand and the Philippines. Both have little muslim population and yet the muslims are the source of problem and disorder.

[shokes1008]

Open for debate, what you write.

What is not open for debate, is that Iraq, a place where the Coptic Christianity of Apostle Mark had its seat, and where it was practiced freely in a Muslim nation until Bush's invasion there, now cannot practice for fear of repercussions.

What this proves is that most such issues between cultures originate from a militarily stronger nation's externally-driven xenophobic aggression, and the weaker nation's reactive internal policies.

[jurbinsky77]

If the proposition is as what you responded to "open for debate..", then the main part of your argument is out of context. The muslims have been taught by their quran that it is ok for them to hurt, cheat, maim and kill the "infidels", so this stupid Bush invasion is just an excuse to do what they were indoctrinated to carry out.

[shokes1008]

Remember that most issues of conflict in Africa has a whole history of influences. There are issues that go far deeper than the Muslim one it has inherited in places, which anyways is mainly a distraction from the real problems. Africa's geopolitical map was cast mostly by remnants of European empire building, after WW II, and especially since the 1960's- and those boundaries never accounted for the natural ebb and flow of ancient tribal migrations, much like the Sioux who followed the buffalo

[shokes1008]

To answer some comments here, many deleted for their insanity. Yes, something very wrong has occurred to certain extremist and isolated pockets of the Islamic religion. Christianity's entire history is much more filled with the same. The very vast majority of any ethnic institution on this planet is populated by very good people, and all of them make a valuable contribution to the globe's survival, by teaching us all how to sustainably exist interactively in each unique habitat on this planet

[jurbinsky77]

Hey, do you really think you can fool me about "your role as khalifa"? You can be delusional on lot of things. By the way, you cannot find any Encyclopedia in Saudi Arabia except Colliers (picture book). Saudis ban the Britannica, Americana, etc because of the letter "I" for Islam.

What has the muslim done in Sudan? Kill the Christians.

I notice that when the other person is lacking logic to base his argument, he will look your profile (country of origin) and just hurl insults on you.

[PureMuffinman]

Most darfurians are islamic.

[jurbinsky77]

the killers?

[PureMuffinman]

No there are alot of tribal people being killed and displaced, but there are muslims there as well not so much if any christians. Its Arab vs African, Not Islam vs Christianity there.

[jurbinsky77]

All Europe was once almost islamic empire under the Ottoman. Asia was almost all islamic until Ferdinand Magellan came to Limasawa. Even Jerusalem was later invaded by the Ottomans. Now you will hear complaints about Ottomans driven out by crusades. They even demonize the crusades - that millions were slaughtered by the crusaders. Jerusalem was populated by Jews, Christians and others, there was no reason to slaughter your brethren and the complainants are muslims.

[jurbinsky77]

Here what the muslim believes -

"Slay them wherever you find them..." (Surah 2:190)

Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. (Surah 3:119)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

But why you are complaining of tolerance. We tolerate you but when you have the upper hand, you can't tolerate others?

Our God is powerful, we will let Him judge who are true believers. He will settle the score.

[jurbinsky77]

Aha! Now you have shown your true color. You are complaining of discrimination and intolerance.

You want us Christian accept you in our traditional domain and you muslims would not tolerate our existence because in your koran, you muslims are mandated to kill and maim the non-muslims (infidels).

I worked and lived in Saudi Arabia. I heard and watched your Ahmed Deedat. I had an English Koran that's why I can relate your belief to your complaint about freedom and religious tolerance.

[shokes1008]

Also, if you were to study the mainstream theologians within Islam, you will be hard pressed to find any significant difference between it and other major religions. Mouthpieces shout, "Islam's function is to take over the world." The theological reality is very different, and is based, according to Dr. Imad Damaj of Virginia, on...

[shokes1008]

"Our role [as humans] is khalifa, or guardianship.President Bush has used this word to talk about how extremists aim to create a worldwide Muslim empire or caliphate. But the word comes from the Koran and refers to guardianship of the earth. It demands self-restraint and concern for the other. This concept may be a little different from other traditions. But the differences are not major at all, and in fact this is one of the common-ground issues we have to work together on."

[jurbinsky77]

Slay them wherever you find them..." (Surah 2:190)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

[shokes1008]

"kill every male dependent, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with a man, but spare for yourselves every woman among them who has not had intercourse (virgins)."[Numbers 31:14-18]

Oh my goodness... that's the Bible...

[shokes1008]

"No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself."

Oh my goodness, that's from the Koran

Amazing what happens when you knock off the 2X4 mote in your eye.

[jurbinsky77]

why don't you start from where the context of the verse builds up? The chapter was God's commandment to Moses to do battle with the Medianites. The Hebrews have to kill every Medianites who worshipped Balaam. It was God's commandment because of the wickedness of the Medianites. The Medianites influenced a large number of Israelites to abandon God.

Have you read "You shall kill the muslims or the hindus from the Bible?" The quran's message is current, kill all Christians, Jews, etc.

[danishauthor1]

Pure interpretation.

One can take the Bible, New Testament included, and behave like Hitler with righteousness. He actually did. One can equally do that with the Koran.

Or one can chose to take these books, and find clues to peace.

[danishauthor1]

Seems that when intelligent answers meets stupid or agenda-motivated comments (from the McCain camp), the stupidity flees the kitchen. Whoever this comment-reply was aimed at has exited stage left.

[shokes1008]

Since you are Canadian:

Canada, like the US and Denmark, is facing international scrutiny for its treatment of ethnic minorities. The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said it was concerned about complaints of exploitation of indigenous resources by corporations registered in Canada. CERD, from Geneva, told the Canadian government to take "appropriate legislative or administrative measures to prevent the acts of transnational corporations on indigenous territories."

[shokes1008]

Translated from Comité chrétien pour les droits humains en Amérique Latine

[jurbinsky77]

This is hogwash.

Anyone who had been in Saudi Arabia knows what religious intolerance means. And Saudi Arabia is the center of Islam, more like the Vatican for the Catholic churches.

Their book calls for the killing and maiming of Christians whom Islam labeled as infidels.

How much more intolerance you will get beyond murder and torture?

[shokes1008]

I agree to an extent with your first two sentences. Tell that to the investors south of Canada who empower such regimes.

That still does not negate the intolerance that has been growing in Denmark, as the ECRI and European Coalition of Cities Against Racism and other organizations have pointed out... I was studying in Montreal in 1971, and saw a similar thing there between the Quebecois and Anglos.

[jurbinsky77]

I am alluding to religious intolerance and the content of Koran calling for killing and maiming of "infidels" - those who are not muslims.

Why should I tell it to the Americans? America is the last bastion of religious tolerance and freedom. Just observe, all peoples of the world live in ther United States.

The question is when were the muslims started to live in Denmark? Tell any country in the world with muslims and I will tell you, there surely will be problem from tem.

[shokes1008]

Yes, remove that moat from your eyes first.

Fundamentalist Christianity also culls verses from the Bible that equally damns anyone not "born again" Christian. This is the group in the US that staged the Iraq invasion - dovetailed with multinational oil-related investments - creating a surplus of millions of innocent homeless/orphaned Muslims in the world. The issue, in its most honest and without facade, is OIL. W/o oil, there would exist no Muslim issue.

[jurbinsky77]

There is no OIL issue in the Philippines and Thailand but the 10% percentage of muslims causing 90% of the country's problem.

[shokes1008]

On that issue, kindly study the term "market-dominant minority," which will clue you in on how the capital venture investments, including resources such as labor, from western democracies subvert the underlying stability of various ethnic groups.

[shokes1008]

As a social scientist and biologist, the paramount issue that threatens us is intollerance. It is politicized. I have spoken to so many Muslim youth in Copenhagen, and most of them express how their imams teach love exactly as Christianity teaches, and virtually all these gymnasiet students express how each day in Denmark they experience prejudice. Most Muslims in Denmark are just as upset with the extremists who terrorize as they are with f.eks. the people's Party who state: We are anti-Muslim.

[shokes1008]

es, I read that too. But that is a lie. Political doublespeak. last year, Fogh Rasmussen, to get elected stasminister, said it was fine for women to wear a shawl even in public service. Now the government, to maintain a narrow 1 mandate majority with Folkepartiet, has decided to legislate how the judiciary behaves in an arena that does not want political interference. The government, like with the Mohamed drawings, made an issue where none existed... just to appease racist Folkepartiet.

[jurbinsky77]

When you frown upon on muslims wearing taub (men's dress like women's chemise e.g. Saudi, Pakistani, etc.), headscarp or their praying cap, they complain of prejudice and discrimination. Muslims have repeatedly thrash the Christian religion. You may review Ahmed Deedat's video clip on his thesis about "the young Jesus probably relieving himself near the fence or behind a tree" - his debate with a protestant pastor in Sweden in early 90's.

Any "cross" in Saudi Arabia is not tolerated.

[shokes1008]

Your argument is worthless. The only issue I am addressing via my video is the racism/intolerance/exploitatio­n which we in the major western societies have a responsibility in. History has taught us that it is impossible for one culture to successfully subvert or exert coercion on another culture. Doing so only entrenches the local issues for a later explosion & generates even more intolerance and violence on all sides. Have you ever read anything by Yale economy and law professor, Amy Chua?

[jurbinsky77]

I read my Bible and I don't suscribe to Amy Chua, et al. I read Math and Science, History and cybernetics.

[shokes1008]

As to rest of the stupid racist commentary you've provided here, I'm not even going to go there with you. It doesn't even deserve these few words. Frankly, my dear, you live in another universe.

[ElvenDane]

Yes, I can vertainluy see that - you live all alone in your own universe without any touch with the real world ;-)

[shokes1008]

As a social scientist and biologist, the paramount issue that threatens us is intollerance. It is politicized. I have spoken to so many Muslim youth in Copenhagen, and most of them express how their imams teach love exactly as Christianity teaches, and virtually all these gymnasiet students express how each day in Denmark they experience prejudice. Most Muslims in Denmark are just as upset with the extremists who terrorize as they are with f.eks. the people's Party who state: We are anti-Muslim.

[omfgfuckname]

Jeg vil stadig vove at påstå du bør pille de lyserøde briller af, og se lidt på hvordan her kommer til at se ud indenfor det næste årti hvis vi fortsætter nuværende kurs..

Uanset om du vil være ved det eller ej, har dine politiske modsætninger haft 100% ret med deres forudsigelser indtil nu, så måske du skulle lytte lidt til dem istedet for at svine dem til.

Uanset om du vil hjælpe eller ej, nytter det ikke noget at køre sig selv i sænk i forsøget.

[shokes1008]

Den voldlig retning vores verden kører nu hen imod, inkl. den voksende racisme i Danmark (Mere end noget andet land, er dk paranoid over alt med Islam at gøre), vil evt. tage os til verdens undergang. Bedes dem at læse eller søge på nettet teorien, Olduvai Theory of Mass Extinction. Vi er ikke i noget tidsrum mere, at være passiv-sød over umenneskelige adfærdsmøstre, bare for at bevare noget kortsigtet i danskkulturen.  Det er ikke en tid, at tilsætte syltetøj på ens udtryk mod den idioti.

[ElvenDane]

Det har IKKE en skid med racisme at gøre - vi har lov at brokke os over VISSE typer af fremmede, der hovedsagligt kommer for at lave ballade med deres fascistiske religion.

Jeg er skideligeglad med deres farve / race - ikke med deres dårlige, provokerende og racistiske opførsel og hadefulde religion.

[ElvenDane]

mener du mon indvandrernes / muslimernes religiøst funderede racisme mod deres ufrivillig værter ? ;-)

Jeg tror ikke, der kan være meget tvivl om, at de fører tårnhøjt på point - fx. mht. til antal mord, røverier, vold, voldtægter etc.

Og se lige på hvem, der næsten altid er ofrene - der kan du sgu tale om racise, så det basker. Det vrøvl du lukker ud her, er der sgu da ingen, der gider at høre på længere eller at tage seriøst.

[shokes1008]

I'm going to respond in English for the sake of the rest of the world. Facts hurt, don't they, ElvenDane

The Danish People's Party spokesperson said last week that they are "anti-Muslim," and pressured the Fogh Rasmussen government to drafting special legislation against the wearing of a little bit of cloth on the head if one is a judge. The Danish judiciary said this is an affair outside of the domain of the legislative branch of government. Something very rotten now in the state of Denmark

[ElvenDane]

Ah, yes - of course you are so important that you need to respond in English *ROFLMAO* - I might have known. OK, mine is probably far superiour to yours, so fine by me.

Yes, and if you had proper paid attention (!), you would have heard that he later elaborated on what he had actually meant. 70-80 % of the Danish population have expressed similar views in several surveys.

[ElvenDane]

It's the extreme left and the ignorant, hypernaive Social Liberals (Det radikale Venstre) who are still fast asleep in these very important questions.

Anyway there is any reason to be anti-islamISTIC, when you see how much trouble, serious crimes, hate, intolerance, racism and insane demands these people have brought here

and all over Europe and are still bringing in the name of islam - wanting to impose their barbaric, intolerant rules and backward cultures upon the Danish society.

[ElvenDane]

The really int. thing is that no other immigrants than muslims seem to have any problems AT ALL adapting and assimilating into the Danish society and Danish culture, norms and values.

[ElvenDane]

The guys you support are the TRUE fascists along with the extreme left - strange bedfellows indeed. What ever did become of the values that the left side once used to hold so high ??? ( Women's equality, religious criticism, freedom of religion ( they are threatened by death, if the want to leave islam ! ), DEMOCRACY, chosing you own spouse ( we didn't use to have "honour killings" before - now that and sim. stuff happens often ).

[ElvenDane]

It's indeed naive people like you, who are bowing to the backward demands of these fanatical and fascist people.

[shokes1008]

Yes, I read that too. But that is a lie. Political doublespeak. last year, Fogh Rasmussen, to get elected stasminister, said it was fine for women to wear a shawl even in public service. Now the government, to maintain a narrow 1 mandate majority with Folkepartiet, has decided to legislate how the judiciary behaves in an arena that does not want political interference. The government, like with the Mohamed drawings, made an issue where none existed... just to appease racist Folkepartiet.

[shokes1008]

Forstår ikke helt hvorfor nogen kommentarer ikke kommer på. Hvis vi skal undgå den mulig-kommende verdens undergang - refererer dig til den "Olduvai Teori" på google - så er det ikke nogen god tid nu, at tilsætte metaforisk syltetøj på ens udtryk mod den voksende umenneskelighed i Danmark eller andre steder. Dk, mere end noget andet land, er målt som verdens mest paranoid over Islam. Muslimer, lige som os andre, ønsker helt de samme værdiger. Bare nogle få, som Bush og bin Ladin ødelægger det

[ElvenDane]

Nok pga. af alt det ballade, kriminalitet, dårlig opførsel og evindelig krævementalitet, der følger med de kulturer, hvor de fleste bekender sig til islam, skal du se. Der er god grund til det !

Hold dog op med at være så lallenaive og PK - forhold dig til realiteterne i stedet - sig tingene som de er. Indse at de gloriepudsende og unsvarlige politikere har taget fatalt fejl.

[omfgfuckname]

Næh du har jo låst dig fast i et eller andet selvbedrag.

Det er meget sjovt som du belejligt løber tør for argumenter og bliver træt når du møder de hårde facts.

Smut du nu bare ud med dine Autonome venner og kast nogen brosten fordi systemet er onde og tager jeres legehus, og så kom på Youtube igen når du rent faktisk har tænkt over hvad du vil sige, så det ikke bliver endnu engang ensidigt lal.

Og så lad være med at udgive dig for at være akedemiker når du dårligt kan argumentere for dig selv.

[shokes1008]

Gud bevare Danmark fra din narcissisme og racisme. Alt hvad du udtrykker har med "dem" mod "jeg," lige som ham, bin Ladin

Vi allesammen har den samme genetiskgenstand, uanset hvad for en kultur og tro man hører til.

Min anbefalding til dig er at læse lidt af Jung, Kierkegaard og Luther. Når du så kan se dig selv i et andet menneske, som ikke lige tænke eller har lyse hår som dig og jeg, så kan vi måske fortage os, en behagelig diskussion. Jeg gider ikke at bide, og sætte mig fast på din krog

[omfgfuckname]

Det er sjovt du skulle sige sådan.. På den ene side forklarer du om hvor ondt vi skal have af en gruppe, men problemerne for en anden gruppe er dig fuldstændig ligegyldige..

Du skulle skamme dig..

[shokes1008]

De alle fleste flytninger til Europa nu, består sig af irakere, med hvem, via vores idiotisk deltagelse sammen med Bush, har skabt millioner af voldsramt hjemmeløse børn, samt 80,000 - 300,000 uskyldige dødsofre.

Disse børns udvikling, ved de freudiansk overgangs trine, som nu kan bevises gennem neurobiologi, er alvorligt hammeret. Deres temporal hjernebarks synaptisk arkitektur kan føre til alvorlige konsekvenser for os alle sammen, ikke mindst unormal socialisering adfærdsmønstre ved børnene

[shokes1008]

Medmindre man tage sig af dem lige som man tage sig af danske børn, torturerede af deres forælder, skaber vi en endnu værre situation i verdens fælles fremtid. Ikke mindst, at mange af de børn er tikkende time bombe, som kan udnyttes af terrorister, hvis man skal være helt selviske ved oversagen at hjælpe dem.

[omfgfuckname]

Du har jo helt ret.. Lad os i stedet få nogen flere hertil så vi kan hjælpe dem på bekostning af vores egne børn.. Sådan så de alle sammen er lige screwed op..

Lyder som en fantastisk ide.. Det er jo deres skyld regeringen gik med i Irak ik, eller deres forældres. Det er jo alligevel vores egen skyld fordi vi ikke viser dem kærlighed nok.. Det er derfor vi har de store problemer.

Jeg tror nu det er min tur til at melde pas. Jeg kan følge din lyst til at hjælpe, vi er bare ikke enige om hvordan.

[ElvenDane]

Du glemmer lige, at de faktisk allerede kom væltende i forvejen.

I øvrigt var det ikke DK der gjorde disse ting - vi prøvede bare at holde nogenlunde fred i et lille område, så vi kunne bidrage til genopbyningen med skoler, broer, veje og et hospital. Så stop lige dit uvidende vrøvl.

I øvrigt er det i 99 % af tilfældene msulimer, der skyder eller sprænger hin. i luften, og det ville de sgu have gjort alligevel, hvis Saddam var død naturligt.

Sådan er kulturen altså bare der.

[ElvenDane]

Ja, sikke dog en total uvidenhed.

Skal vi ikke også lige tage far på de over 1 mio europæiske slaver som de muslimske lande tog mellem ca. år 1500 til 1800 - endog så langt væk som England, Irland, Island, Færøerne og Norge - og ved skibskapringer.

Hvorfor hører vi mon aldrig om det i skolen eller på DR ? Fordi det ikke er PK.

Hvor langt skal vi egentlig gå tilbage i historien før de er tilfredse ? Den ældre bronzealder eller palæolitikum måske ?

[ElvenDane]

Jeg bebrejder sgu da heller ikke de nulevende (yngre) tyskere for WW2 og besættelsen af DK. vel ?

Mange af de mennsker, der bor på disse øer i dag , ville jo aldrig være blevet født, hvis ikke disse beklagelige ting var sket - men det er de måske også utilfredse med ?

Lille Dk har i mange årtier ligget nummer et eller to med bistand til u-ande - mange, mange milliarder som vi selv havde haft god brug for, mens folk døde på alenlange ventelister her,fordi der skulle spares, spares ...

[omfgfuckname]

Ja så længe det ikke involverer stakkels muslimer er det vist meningsløst for dig..

Det er ret tydeligt at se du er fantastisk snævertsynet og overfladisk så det er nok en god ide at lade det ligge inden du selv bliver klar over hvilket rædselsfuldt menneske du egentlig er.

Jeg tror du trænger til at sætte dig ned og tænke over hvor ensidig du er. Det her er som at diskutere med en venstrefløjs Johnni Hansen.

Føj siger jeg bare.

[shokes1008]

som sagt nedenfor, denne ørkesløse diskution med dig kommer vi ingen vegne med

[omfgfuckname]

Well are you paying attention to the suffering of the native Danes atm?

If people don't look like you there is a lot of places they shouldnt come in their own country after dark..

So much for helping people in need..

One immigrant gets beaten to death by danes and its all over the news..

Last week yet another dane was killed by immigrants and that was just another small article..

I think you need to look at things without the red glasses a bit mate..

[shokes1008]

yawn.

[omfgfuckname]

Heh..

So much for caring about kindness eh?

The word hypocrite, and racist bastard springs to mind..

Nice comeback tho, really shows the level of intellect..

Dissertation my ass..

You are just full of bullshit sir..

And you even wonder why the Danes are getting more racist.. Racism begets racism..

[shokes1008]

Bare rolig, jeg gaber kun...

yawn...

Alt det her meningsløse snak der løber fra dit sind til tastaturen kommer vi ingen vegne med

[omfgfuckname]

"Some 2nd generation?" Yeah just a "few"..

So violence due to despear is ok? (like they have a lot to despar over)

Cause i can sense a lot of frustrated Danes out there.. I am looking forward to your sensible attitude and understanding once the native Danes starts to riot..

[shokes1008]

Have I ever said that?

All I'm saying is for us to pay more attention to the suffering our greed-driven economies generates. Slavery is as much an economic situation as it is being bound to another person by a fact of birth color so as to better survive a region higher in UV sunlight.

What was it Christ said in his sermon on the Mount?

Until we get that we'll just be talking past each other as the shit hits the fan one last time due to our WMD technology. I'm on nobody's side except kindness

[omfgfuckname]

Heh Shokes1008.. You call Denmark a hotbed for pedophiles more or less..

Should be your kind of thing, considering the habbits of the beloved prophet right?

My god you people are the biggest hypocrites.

Lets get the statistics for rapes in Copenhagen on the table... 80% committed by immigrants.. And we both know its not Americans or Swedes..

The organized crime in Denmark is Muslim immigrant groups (According to the Police intelligence agencies)

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[shokes1008]

The only God I believe in is the one both Martin Luther and CG Jung alluded to: I am neither afraid of nor do the bidding of any priest/holy text except the one that resides in the Self, equally among all peoples of all faiths/cultures. As a social scientist, your statistic above is skewed. Even if approaching accuracy, we can study the various cultural groups in America that have historically been discriminated against. Lack of integration results from lack of care/kindness within policy.

[omfgfuckname]

Oh my statistics are dead on..

And then lets leave all gods out of it..

But ill just go ahead and assume you live in Denmark, so you must know how bad things have gotten..

About the kindness.. Thats just pure bullshit comparing the freed slaves to immigrants.. It's not even close.

And im sorry to say i thought you were brighter than that.. Shifting the subject just makes you look ignorant..

We have bend over backwards to make them feel welcome, but its a two way street.. So can the crap..

[omfgfuckname]

If you really want to do something usefull.. Then dig up statistics on how many Danes have been killed on the streets by immigrants and how many immigrants have been killed by Danes..

I would love to see those statistics wouldnt you?(They are not PC so prolly not available)

About the civil unrest.. Odd isnt it.. The largest criminal immigrant group stopped them.. Because it made it too hard to sell drugs due to the huge ammount of police..

(PET phonetaps) Yeah.. Ooold issue..

*Cough*Bullshit..

[ludersatan]

fuck brazil

[shokes1008]

God, I love Brazil...

[oOTheGraffOo]

No thank you, i am not really into Islam, i don't think a religion in which you kill people with stones for small matters is worth acknowledging

[shokes1008]

The article is not about Islam but about Denmark's issue with it.

[shokes1008]

The civil unrest in Denmark actually is a very old Danish problem, now coming to surface. Denmark has historicaly been a very closed culture, beneath the radar. It is actually a huge hotbed of child abuse. I know, I work professionally in the field in Copenhagen. This is why it is good that other cultures who have come to Denmark do not stand for this to continue any longer. Denmark has a lot to learn from the cultural mix coming here. I have written a dissertation on the subject.

[oOTheGraffOo]

what do you mean with "a huge hotbed of child abuse"?

And if other cultures don't like Denmark then they are free to go home again.

[shokes1008]

oOTheGraffOo... please go to: denmark(dot)gq(dot)nu(slash)is­lam.html

to understand my statement It is too long a theory to explain with 500 characters.

[ElvenDane]

This guy is totally nuts.

By far the most cases of child abuse here are among immigrant families, so stop that BS.

[omfgfuckname]

Yeah and according to the phonetabs on the biggest muslim crime syndicate in denmark, they were the ones who stopped the civil unrest..

Unfortunately for the wrong reasons..

It made it difficult to sell drugs with that many policemen on the streets..

So what do we do now?

Should the Danes stop tolerating this behaviour and do a Serbia-model on the problems?

Did you bring that side of the story in your dissertation?

HYPOCRITE!

[shokes1008]

Most of the civil unrest came from Danish-born Danish youth upset with a historical building they'd been given by City Hall being sold to a fundamentalist Christian organization that had promised not to tear it down, and tore it down anyways. The later unrest, earlier this year, then included some 2nd generation children of refugees. The reason some of those ethnic groups cornered that market was Christiania's re-normalizing.

It's called the violence of despair, due to current political policy.

[shokes1008]

To more succinctly respond to some of the challenges berlow, please go to this website:

denmark(dot)gq(dot)nu(slash)is­lam(dot)html

[shokes1008]

Often, these traumatized children of policy refugees have no sense of either their own parents' culture or of that within a Danish society that feels threatened by their very existence. Hence they naturally form their own band-cultures, much like what is found all over East Los Angeles, California. Finally yesterday, January 30, 2008, the director of Denmark's Center for Theory and Methodology publicly acknowledged that I had been right.

[shokes1008]

Rather than continuing a pointless debate here, I've added an adendum to the text with my video. Then I refuse to argue further here. Right now the EU is rather upset with Denmark's refusal for a very long time to cooperate with a European subpeana against a former Danish SS officer, responsible for murdering many.

[ElvenDane]

BS ! - We have been trying to get the Germans to hand him over for a long time.

[montrealbenoit]

Don't understand the language you guys are talking in. But I can tell you that Denmark has in recent years turned from being a humanistic society to one where the taxes that once went to public service now goes to major corporations, due to Anders Fogh Rasmussen. McDonalds & Coke don't even pay real taxes. So don't get me started on how idiotic the Danish gv't has been recently. What's this nonsense of the People's Party actually stating they are anti-Muslim? Sounds hauntingly like 1930s Germany

[ElvenDane]

No, we have NOT - that is total BS.

There is that problem with some major multinational companies, but it's NOT a new problem. Many other countries have that problem.

Because muslims are causing trouble everywhere they go with very bad behaviour, high crime rates and endless demands, many of them completely insane.

[ElvenDane]

We have had enough of such UNINVITED guests, who have been given lux. treatment - free education (evenb at UNI level), free medical aid, lots of financial support, language and job training, appartments - and then they treat us this way. Talk about gratitude !

You have abs. no clue what you are talking about. Try reading some proper sources, before you go online and pretend to know anything about us.

[evilmoif]

Go home and dance Master Rui. Brazil needs you more than Denmark ever will...

From todays BBC:

Ms Silva said rising prices of raw materials and commodities could be spurring the rate of forest clearing, as more and more farmers saw the Amazon as a source of cheap land.

"The economic reality of these states indicate that these activities impact, without a shadow of a doubt, on the forest," she said.

[shokes1008]

Islam has overtaken Catholicism as the 2nd predominant religion after the tax-supported State Lutheran Church in Denmark.

This "Danish problem" -- eg. the Mohamed drawings -- is a microcosmic view of what has gone so wrong with western culture for some time. Imagine an American newspaper, regardless of the right or wrong of "freedom of expression," publicizing images that denigrate the African-American culture.

[evilmoif]

I do have political influence. I have a vote. Something which many of these primitive cultures you speak of, never granted to any one.

I do not belive your anthropolgical study's are any less biased by your western preconceptions than the western industrials you seek to blame.

I do not belive there ever was any such thing as a seamless egalitarian culture except in the minds of wishful thinking people like yourself.

[evilmoif]

None of which has any bearing on Brazilian dancers who seek to lecture other peoples on the nature of 'guilt'.

Brazil is an over crowded, festering multitude of poverty and corruption. Its population grows far beyond its capacity to sustain itself without major damage to its own eco systems and native populations.

So let your dancer go home and mend his own people.

[rafaelsouzasp79]

?

Go back to school, you know nothing about Brazil...

[shokes1008]

Perhaps you could explain yourself...

[RudiGotSoul]

Do you happen to espouse white nationalism, friend? You sound like the type.

[evilmoif]

You hear what you wish to hear Rudi.

I don't care what colour a mans skin is. What I care about is being judged by sinners.

[shokes1008]

When in the 1960's through the 1970's these regions of Africa, Persia and the Middle East were returned but their European colonists, they were returned with an American and European agenda. Instead of colonialism, now it was oil or other resources vital to others' national interests. These politics exist even today, hidden by such terms as supply-side economics, where it is entirely OK for Wal Mart to sell t-shirts, rugs, flatscreen TVs through child slave labor etc.

[shokes1008]

It is found in today's African despot regimes. Cause and effect, my friend. As long as we keep basing our economies on the suffering of the weak inthe world, we will have recessions, and wars like in Iraq.

[shokes1008]

Unfortuantely, we will never see eye to eye here, and I can live with that so long you don't have any political influence. The problem with most of the so-called primitive cultures is that their heritage, during the European Dark Ages, were destroyed.

There is no ideal culture anywhere, except in theory and myth, but for many thousands of years, there did exist seamless egalitarian cultures along some of the great river valleys of Africa, Mesoptamia and the Chinese/Indian continents

[shokes1008]

When I studied anthropology, I wrote a paper prior to my dissertation, on the Navajo and Hopi. I came across a letter written to the Pope at the time, by a Fransiscan priest who travelled with the Conquistadors. The Spanish (and the Portugese, eg, Brazil) could politcally enslave any of the cultures they met, if a priest determined they had no soul. The Hopi were agrarian and believed the Conquistadors to be a fulfilment of an old myth. Whereas the Navajo (Di'neh) were far more reserved.

[shokes1008]

The Navajo had seen the decimation of the Hopi in the valleys below the bhutes they lived on. The Franciscan presented a Navajo chieftan or Shaman with the wooden cross, and said, "Do you believe Christ died for your sins on the Cross?"

The Navajo said, "That is so cruel. To nail a hma bein to a tree." The Franciscan eventuall wrote back t Rome. "The Navajo have no soul."

[shokes1008]

When I came across this, my thought was, it was the Franciscan friar who lacked a soul. We, Euro-Americans have so much to learn from the so-called primitive cultures our dark ages managed to nearly wipe out.

[evilmoif]

Shokes1008.

You have passed judgement based on your own perceptions.

The tragedy of your bias however, lies in its lack of context. No one on this planet has the right to point the finger at any one else for slavery. Even the Africans sold Africans into slavery, as did every 'nation' who today pretend to be victims. We Danes do not need lessons in hypocrisy from Brazilians. Let your 'Master Rao' dance to his own country's history before he presumes to teach us about ours.

[shokes1008]

Unfortuantely, we will never see eye to eye here, and I can live with that so long you don't have any political influence. The problem with most of the so-called primitive cultures is that their heritage, during the European Dark Ages, were destroyed.

There is no ideal culture anywhere, except in theory and myth, but for many thousands of years, there did exist seamless egalitarian cultures along some of the great river valleys of Africa, Mesoptamia and the Chinese/Indian continents

[shokes1008]

When in the 1960's through the 1970's these regions of Africa, Persia and the Middle East were returned but their European colonists, they were returned with an American and European agenda.  Instead of colonialism, now it was oil or other resources vital to others' national interests. These politics exist even today, hidden by such terms as supply-side economics, where it is entirely OK for Wal Mart to sell t-shirts, rugs, flatscreen TVs through child slave labor etc.

[shokes1008]

It is found in today's African despot regimes. Cause and effect, my friend. As long as we keep basing our economies on the suffering of the weak inthe world, we wll have recessions.

[77Brasileiro77]

AHUEAHEUAhueahaueahuehau não têm ritmo issa roda AHUeahueha que mau

[evilmoif]

And your reply is totally out of context. Very few Iraqis have fled to Denmark. Their presence in this country is negligable beside their Muslim brethern, from for example, Palestina, Iran and Pakistan.

I still see nothing your post which indicates which 'cultural wisdoms' you think these people have to offer us. They bring us nothing but the violence which is evident where ever Islam is preached.

[PureMuffinman]

Violence precipitated by european actions.

[jurbinsky77]

???

[PureMuffinman]

Read some history about the Wests actions in the east(pakistan, israel), European colonialism and dominance caused alot of problems.

[PureMuffinman]

felt today.

[erikfofo]

This is pathetic. Peopel who live in Denmark today can't be made responsible for what happened in earlier centuries. These peopel should take responsibility for their own lives instead of blaming others for their shortcomings and they should stop living in the past.

[shokes1008]

Again, the past is the past, but the current climate of not accepting other cultural views in Denmark is based on what has not yet been learned in Denmark from past mistakes.

[erikfofo]

To compare the colonial history of Denmark with current immigration issues is like comparing apples and bananas. During the 250 years of Danish presence in the West Indies, the main purpose was to earn money. Todays scepticism against foreigners is based on the fact that they live here amongst us and there is a sense that our existence is threatened somehow by too much immigration and us having to few children. Whenever a tribe feels threatened, nationalism emerges, it's a natural reaction.

[shokes1008]

The past is the past, but we learn from it. This is not a condemnation, but just a wake up call.

Racism comes in many forms, all of which peole justify fr various reasons. The racism I have studied in Denmark is very umnlike the in-your-face racism one might have encountered in America in the 1960's 70's (and even today, to a extent), or what's been very discussed also, South Arica'a Aparthied.

[shokes1008]

The racism in Denmark derives from a great many who do not wish the "special Danish culture" to be adulturated by any other culture. However it is justified, it hurts those who suffer it, and handicaps positive social integration for Danes, and everyone, in a globalized world.

[shokes1008]

This is the blindness I am describing, where instead of attracting to oneself what in Danish is called udviklings fremgang, we attract negativity, for the sake of what? To destroy family structures due to cultural differences, whether done with bloody violence or with coffee and a sugar-coated Danish, hurts just as much in the fnal analysis.

[shokes1008]

We all have things to share into that collective "survival pool" from all of our various cultural wisdoms, to problem solve the greater issue of the human species verging on collective suicide. The efforts of many in Demark's current government actually contributes to this issue of self-destruction, we as a world sciety are engaged in, from glbal warming, hunger, disease, terorism etc.

[shokes1008]

Again, the past is the past, but the current climate of not accepting other cultural views in Denmark is based on what has not yet been learned in Denmark from past mistakes.

[evilmoif]

The trouble with your assertion is that it assumes other cultures have any such 'cultural wisdoms' to offer us. As far as I can see they don't. Immigration into Denmark seeks the benfits of Danish culture. This is the reason why the flow is one sided, because people are fleeing the tribalism and corruption that yo would have us accept in Denmark.

[shokes1008]

Unfortunately, you are very mistaken. In my research, I would say that most who come from Islamic countries as refugees to Denmark do so, only because in recent years a war was innitiated that precludes a Persian way of resolving their cionflicts.

[shokes1008]

9-11 killed 3000 innocent Americans. A horrific and diabolical act. However, the war in Iraq has killed 150,000 innocent civilians there, displaced several millions, and destroyed entire extended families, their lifestyles, cultural heritage and capacity to earn a living. Most would love to return to the regions where they come from. Imagine the conditions they live under, as a 9-11 event each and every week.

Your assertion here is entirely cultually centric.

[charlotteamalie]

It should be noted that the Afro-Caribbean residents of the Danish West Indies were in overwhelming support of the transfer; they saw US ownership of the territory as a good thing, good for business, good for education, good for jobs, good for the infrastructure, good for technological progress and by and large they were right! The US has been good for the people of the VI, which has a high standard of health, education and quality of life. G-d bless the USA!

[charlotteamalie]

In 1916 the Afro-Caribbean inhabitants of the Danish West Indies were not citizens of Denmark; they were subjects of the Danish Crown. Likewise, when the US purchased the islands in 1917, the citizenship status of the inhabitants was not clarified. As of today, the citizens of the VI are still non-citizen US nationals. They do not vote for President..they are a non-self-governing Territory.

[evilmoif]

I see no evidence of racism in Denmark. I've been living here since 1986. This is one of the most tolerant, peaceful and safe societies on Earth. I suggest that these Brazilians, with their funny dance/martial art are either misguided, or biased.

[shokes1008]

As a Danish-born cultural anthropologist, who has travelled to all corners of the world, I am so very saddened by your blindness.

[shokes1008]

Just look at the Hitler salutes of the Danish People's Party... now a integral part of the Danish PM Fogh government... look at the suffering of the refugees. Look at the 14 year old boy, whose father is a Danish veterinarean and citizen but whose mom just disavowed him in Turkey. The Danish government's kicking him out of Denmark, to fend for himself, because the Danish gvt determined, quote, "He likely will not integrate himself quickly in Danish culture."

[evilmoif]

With respect Shokes, neither your nationality nor your claimed profession place you in any position to diagnose me as 'blind'. State your case as you wish but kindly refrain from making comments for which the only basis you have is assumption.

[PureMuffinman]

Wait didnt you just assume that the capoeiristas were misguided and biased?

[shokes1008]

. Look at the 14 year old boy, whose father is a Danish veterinarean and citizen but whose mom just disavowed him in Turkey. The Danish government's kicking him out of Denmark, to fend for himself, because the Danish gvt determined, quote, "He likely will not integrate himself quickly in Danish culture." It is this blind apathy, among the bourgeois Danes (borgelige), that perpetuates the suffering

[shokes1008]

Remember also, that at the dawn of the Industrial Revolutiion, when a similar sort of phenomenon so hurt Danish sciety, one of the world's most recognized authors desribed this issue, both in "The Emperor and his Clothes" (collective blndness), and "The Litle Matchstick Girl" (the social issue). His name was Hans Christian Andersen, and he gently echoed the gay insight of perhaps the world's most famous western writer, concerning something rotten in the state of Demark, Shaespeare's Hamlet.

[evilmoif]

I am well aware that Denmark is not a perfect country. I never said it was. Like any where else on Earth, there is plenty of room for improvement here. That being said, in my time on planet Earth, having visited some 14 nations, I have never encountered any where as wealthy, safe or tolerant as Denmark.

[evilmoif]

I have never seen any member of the Danish People's Party make a 'Hitler salute'. Nor is Danish People's Party a constituent member of the Fogh government.

[shokes1008]

Of course the Danish People's Party is a integral wing of the current Borgerlig Regering, which is the only reason Fogh Rasmussen rose to be our our prime minister in the past two elections.

[PureMuffinman]

Maybe your just blind.

[cikaris]

The accompanying text is an interesting bit of history however it does not go far enough. The African slaves that were "purchased" for transport to the Danish West Indies were "sold" in many instances by other West African tribes. Would the members of this group be interested in seeking reparations from them? How about reparations from Arab Muslims who pioneered slavery in Africa long before Europeans ever set foot there? Not to mention the fact that slavery in Africa still exists.

[jfarinhote]

capoeira = galinheiro, cultura africana