Folia: "Rodrigo Martinez" - c.1490

[CollectivePreference]

Haven't listened to this in a long time.

[MrDoremouse]

Total chill.

[pippohispano]

Why the choice of King D. Sebastião of Portugal as a cover?

[themailman43]

@pippohispano Seems to be the choice of the person who posted this video , " caoamarelo" sounds Portuguese. The song is definetely Spanish.

[ElvMorgan]

Ich will eine Zeitmaschine (;

[hmr28]

@DarkStrangeDream

@DarkStrangeDream

If you like folias check out this website I found, it is a history of the folia along with examples of hundreds (yes hundreds!) of versions and variations along with sheet music for many of them. I spent hours here last fall. Make sure to click around the top a lot to find the acoustic examples, and sheet music, the reason behind the site is interesting as well. You can submit folias that you find that are not on the site. etc... folias.nl

[thrillseeker70]

@hmr28 My Friend...................YOU ROCK !!

[hmr28]

@thrillseeker70

Why thank you! I am still trying to compose the perfect version for harp. Bits and pieces have come together but I still have a long way to go!

[hinakomalin]

I'm still addicted to this arrangement. Seriously, I'm still trying to make my own set of variations on this.

[themailman43]

Maybe even Christopher Columbus heard this music , after all it was composed about 2 yrs. before he discovered the New World.

[thrillseeker70]

@themailman43 i would like to think so, that would be pretty cool.

[themailman43]

This music is so beautiful. The combination of all instruments is just amazing.

[HappyRick]

Rodrigo Martines, A las ánsares, ahe! Pensando qu'era vacas Silvávalas. He! Rodrigo Martines, Atán garido, Los tus ansarinos Liévalos el río, ahe! Pensando qu'era vacas Silvávalas. He! Rodrigo Martines, Atán lozano, Los tus ansarinos Liévalos el vado, ahe! Pensando qu'era vacas Silvávalas. He! [Rodrigo Martines, Atán garido.]

[DOBORBEN]

TABERNERAAAAAAA una jarra de vinooooo !!!!!!!!........ 

[SlugaBoziji]

This is a precious piece. A pearl really.

[ceudelisboa]

'The desired one'

Was born Jan 20, 1554. Missed in battle of Alcacer Kibir, Aug 4 1578.

Made his entrance in the mist of a portuguese legendary figure.

[ceudelisboa]

D. Sebastião of Portugal was king at the age of 3. .Catarina of Austria, his grandmother was Regent ,as well as Cardinal Henrique of Évora. until he's 14. with only 24 yrs of age; seeking for glory of past times. He reached nortern Africa to fight the moors. Leading the portuguese army to defeat, and to the lost of independence to Spain for 60 years.

This youth was in desperate need for PS3.

[mustiocollado]

This piece (which in the Cancionero appears with only two voices filled in, soprano and bass) is not a folia. It may well be a musical number within a play. We cannot know who Rodrigo Martinez was, but the audience would have known. The Spanish court, as most courts, would had their "musicals", light, funny plays (close in spirit to the British pantomimes) with songs and dances. This one may come from the folklore, then arranged by one of the court composers for an entertainment.

[zayasmc]

@mustiocollado La original es una folía y esto son unas variaciones.

[ibero21]

ufff mi mente viaja hasta esas epocas de gloria con esos bailes tipicos del medievo....

[zayasmc]

@ibero21 Bueno, viaja hasta el renacimiento...

[ibero21]

@zayasmc se que es del renacimiento pero muchas de esas danzas y bailes renacentistas donde tienen su origen?

[librermonami]

La Folia has betwitched me and I will forever remain hypnotized.

[MIMIFORSAGE]

These Spanish versions of the folia are so much more exciting than the Italian. I think it's the plucked instruments & the percussions that are so wonderful.

[johnybacon]

Olha o Sebastiãozinho

[sirhope]

Beautiful music. Many thanks.

[FedericoRosenfeld]

Qué hermosa es la música española de esta época! y desgraciadamente, qué desconocida también! Gràcies, mestre Savall =)

[ibero21]

@FedericoRosenfeld Las gracias daselas al anonimo de la epoca, Savall es un gran musico e interprete de todas estas obras conocidas mas en el mundo entero que en la propia España desafortunadamente para nosotros. Saludos.

[PaulKoekkoek]

Niet te geloven, ik ken al tientallen variaties op La Follia . Maar het wordt via You Tube steeds gekker. Als je maar zoekt. Nu heb ik weer een uit 1490.

Groet,

Paul Koekkoek

[Shocky8689]

Красивая музыка!

[TheYolotecuani]

q musica tan sorprendente

me da mucha algegria esa cancion

es una melodi muy sorprendente

[rolfblank]

Geat Spansih history !

[passingbynight]

@rolfblank After this young king got himself killed because of his foolishness and lack of mental capacity due to inbreeding, the Filipes of Spain took over. The Spanish Armada was in fact made of Portuguese warships, some with Spanish alterations. That is why they felt so secure in attempting to invade.

D. Sebastiao was indeed a D. Quixote and only living in wealth due to the endeavors of his predecessors. He left no direct heirs before he went with his band of idiots off to N. Africa.

[risterion]

Combinación perfecta: escuchar esta melodía mientras se lee la gloriosa «Celestina».

[tinasaturn]

wonderful

[risterion]

Melodía fantástica.

[heymul25]

Utterly intoxicating. (But no hangover.)

[hzjs4n]

Realmente hermoso, llena el espiritu de alegria

[MatanHalevy]

great music !

perfecto!

[senazambeze]

insane? o no, a dreamer and a quite imature one. A coward? o no, dying among is men when to run was a chance.

[Davccelion]

Me he enamorado de esta canción!

I am in love with this song!

[olggx3]

świetne, naprawdę.. jestem pod wrażeniem.

[dblueroom]

i know nothing about spanish royalty, except the philip that married to Queen Mary. they probably played something utilizing one of the instrument, which i dont know what, in the movie. i am big fan of elizabeth I

[Hector3112]

"the philip that married to Queen Mary" is Felipe II (Philip II), probably the greatest king Spain has ever had. In Asia, the Philippines got its name from him. Movies of the "Elizabeth, the Golden Age" kind usually show a very distorted image of him, or just don't show him. Since you like Elizabeth I, this info may be useful for you because he was an important figure during her time.

[dblueroom]

btw, do you know who is this portrait about?

[fmlburnay]

A portuguese king, D. Sebastião (1554 - ~1578), famous for the atempt to conquer Alcácer-Quibir wich killed him and eventually left the kingdom in the hands of the Spanish.

The music, Rodrigo Martinez, actually has lyrics who sing about a foolish man that mistakes geese for cows. D. Sebastião was believed to be somewhat insane wich is a funny coincidence...

[Davccelion]

Many thanks for the explanation.

[passingbynight]

D. Sebastiao was actually D. Quixote; Sancho Panc,a was left to pay for his master's folly.

[dblueroom]

so spanish, I love it!! this could be from any elizabeth I movies (the instruments used)

[Hector3112]

From Elizabeth I ? I would say from Felipe II or Carlos V.

[Peterkoma]

Esto me gusto!!!

[laiagrim]

Cuanto más lo escucho más me gusta.

[arkhangelsk]

ah, heavens. this is bliss.

[Veraeikon]

pero es que esto son un conjunto de variaciones sobre el mismo tema de rodrigo martinez, si vamos a ver, ni para el tema original hay una definicion concreta del tiempo. Todo lo que escuchamos son interpretaciones ajustadas a lo "usual" de la epoca

[HidalgoPetiso]

Pero esto que es??? de que va esto? que compas tiene esta cancion?? O_o alguien puede explicarme?

[Tnahara]

Yo no soy ningún experto, y no sé cómo estaba la notación musical en aquella época, pero se ajusta a un ritmo ternario, según me parece a mí.

[HidalgoPetiso]

escucha la pandereta lleva un compas diferente, y luego

fijate a partir del minuto 1;42 las cosas rarisimas qeu hace savall con el ritmo y lo hace mas veces

[alcvdb]

a mi me parece que el ritmo de la pieza es 12 octavos, es decir que es un compás compuesto de cuatro tiempos con tres subdivisiones en cada uno. Notese que al inicio de la obra la pandereta marca los primeros cuatro tiempos del primer compás.

[hermione838]

Wow.......intense music, this probably made a really fun dance back in the time that it was popular....oh, how I wish I was back in those times.

[Tnahara]

So do I... Life was very hard then for tha vast majority of the population, but I think this music would compensate.

[dbachito]

@hermione838

The way you say it is like if you had already been there "once upon a time" :-p

I agree with you. But if I could chose I'd like to be one of the musicians, or dancers, or one belonging to a privilege social group who filled those luxury rooms. Splendorous and afflicted times at the same time... (like all times?)

[thrillseeker70]

@hermione838 Yes the music is superb and the dance would probably make you laugh your ass off, but being back in that time ? with disease, no antibiotics, scientific ignorance, and crazy reigion and politics stuffed down your throat, no thanks.

[heymul25]

Jordi Savall has the life force. This music could raise the dead.

[rodrimart1980]

Hola. Me llamo Rodrigo Martínez, y aunque no me sienta reconocido en el personaje, me siento muy identificado con la canción, y más especialmente con una versión de tan bella factura. Increible Savall.

[mydarcydarling]

Qué coincidencia, qué gracioso! :-)

No me extraña que no te reconozcas en el personaje, jaja. Pero la música es hermosa, efectivamente.

[ishhf]

jeje Rodrigo Martinez sos vaquero o granjero xD ?

[MlleMalone]

Vaya, te han puesto puntos negativos en un alarde de ignorancia, porque, efectivamente, la letra original cuenta que el tal Rodrigo Martinez llevaba a las ocas a pastar, pensando que eran vacas.

[MlleMalone]

lo digo por el pobre ishhf, por supuesto. No sé por qué youtube no me lo publica como respuesta.

[ishhf]

jajaja.. no me di cuenta de los puntos negativos... lo dije para dar un pequeño margen de error a la coincidencia, ademas si este rodrigo Maartinez tiene patos sería granjero... por mas que el imaginara que son vacas , no crees?

[recorrrcholis]

jajaja, yo te intenté quitar un punto negativo pero ni aún así... ay que ver cómo está la gente.

Creo que esta es mi canción favorita de toda la música de la época, la letra, por lo que tiene de bizarra, me encanta... y esta folia es preciosa...

[ksmoonbeam]

Remarkable!

[rodrigobanhaslipknot]

Muito Boaa

Parabéns pelo post^^

[alcvdb]

que versión mas bella. apenas lo oí reconocí que era de savall

[jsaltod]

Normal, sólo de oir a pedro estevan es inconfundible

[nadia59]

multicultura ,andalusi/moorish influence.

[BuchouKuruta]

Hermoso sonido, sublime experiencia, mil gracias por esta folia. Mi favorita es "Hoy comamos y bebamos, en la version de Violin, clavecin y viola da gamba"

[betsybradock]

j'adore cette oeuvre elle est magnifique...

[codonauta]

Aquele ali na foto é o famoso D. Sebastião, o dos poemas do Fernando Pessoa?

[caoamarelo]

É ele mesmo...

Antes de desaparecer nas areias de Alcácer Quibir...Parece que ainda estamos todos (todos?) por aqui há espera que ele reapareça, numa manhã de nevoeiro...

Mas Sérgio Godinho diz que ele, afinal, "apanhou tal dose do tal nevoeiro, que a tuberculose o mandou para o galheiro".

[codonauta]

Como sou brasileiro, não estou no grupo dos que estão esperando seu retorno. :o) Mas li que existem certos lugares do Maranhão ( é uma parte ao norte do Brasil ) em que o povo é sebastianista, estão aguardando o retorno del Rei Don Sebastiao, incrivelmente.

Imagino que vc seja de Portugal.

[mstuartg]

Try and listen to this without tapping your feet - impossible. Great

[johnybacon]

olha o D. Sebastião

[oldun52]

From Alfred Deller and Arnold Dolmetsch, the Early Music revival may have started here in England, but Jordi Savall has certainly picked up the baton!

Long may he continue!

[sh4ft300]

brilliant..

[ludovico26]

Esta cancion es del Cancionero Musical de Palacio. manuscrito español que contiene música del Renacimiento. Las obras que posee están recopiladas durante un periodo de unos cuarenta años, desde el último tercio del siglo XV hasta principios del XVI, tiempo que coincide aproximadamente con el reinado de los Reyes Católicos.

[anla00]

Sabes si "La Alta" (o "La Spagna") de Francisco de La Torre es una pieza de ese "Cancionero"? Es una pieza excepcional y asombrosamente moderna, mi favorita, no me canso de escucharla. Qué pena que no se encuentra en Youtube!

[torju85]

Sí, La Danza Alta de Francisco de la Torre es parte del Cancionero de Palacio, de hecho Jordi Savall grabó un disco con una selección de piezas del Cancionero de Palacio entre las que se encuenta una versión de La Alta francamente buena.

[anla00]

Gracias torju85.

Voy a buscar ese disco de Jordi Savall. Yo tengo una versión de The Waverly Consort de La Alta, también preciosa.

Gracias de nuevo por tu comentario

[ludovico26]

Exactamente La Danza Alta fue compuesta por Francisco de la Torre y es parte del Cancionero de Palacio. Existen inumerables versiones. La de Jordi Savall es una de ellas, pero no me atreveria a decir que es la mejor de todas. Otra muy buena edición del cancionero es del sello NAXOS ALTEMUSIK, el titulo es: Music of the Spanish Court .

[alfons00p]

timless, great thx very much

[landsckenech]

Estupenda pieza!

[coreliandude76]

Yeah... totally...

[lochness11]

AAHH! This has an ability to carry me back centuries----I almost feel"I am there".Wonderful.

Many,many thanks.

[BachLoveNat]

Bravo !!!!!!!

Beautiful...

Thanks Maestro Jordi Savall for your Art!

You make me smile and dance with your folia.... every time

:)

Thank you my friend Nuno for the video!

[paulostroff99]

Gorgeous! Bravo! TY