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  • Jordan > Kobe #EndOfDisscussion

  • 1998 nba finals.... michael jordan pushes off from bryon russel with 2.7 seconds left, hits the game winning jumper, no foul.

  • I know he's playin but kids, but he's still really got skills, LOL!!!

  • @24chickenbutt

    MJ at 32: 30.4 ppg with 50% FG 6.6 rebounds per game 4.3 assists per game: 72-10 NBA record, Finals MVP, All star MVP, NBA's MVP.

    Kobe at 32: 25.5 ppg with 46% FG 5 rebounds per game 5 assists per game.

    how about these stats bitch?

  • Phil Jackson says Bryant's skills are more sound than Jordan's.

    Kobe is a better shooter, and Jordan had better lowpost game and lockdown defense.

  • @impeccable24 Phil Jackson once said that Kobe and JORDAN's skills are very " close ". He also went on to say that the major difference, is that Kobe lacks the over sized hands that Michael possessed and because of that he ( Kobe ) is at a major disadvantage. JORDAN Could do ALOT more on the court than Kobe. Kobe is the closet thing to a modern day JORDAN tho. He is the BEST in the league now...

  • i bet mike will still be able to play at the age of 70 hes just so good age aint shit to him

  • @24chickenbutt hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Kobe's fanboys are really amusing. You want to talk about stats and age ? Your Kobe would shrink in embarrassment if he read your post.

  • He is playing with little kids! PSH! lol

  • First NBA game I ever saw was Mj's come back against the Knicks. I new basketball but nothing about the NBA so watchng this "human" superseded what I could have imagined being done on the court. A game I thought to be all about dribble and shoot became a science and an art to me. From then on I followed the the bulls for their second 3peat and watched the prime of a dynasty. I'm 18 years old and I can say with unbiased that no other player has come close to showcasing the game like MJ. GOAT

  • I wish I was dunked on by His Airness...

  • MJ= The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

  • HA we all know he can't dunk from free throw so no he don' got strength anymore. He's fat is up by percentage etc.

  • I am a die hard kobe fan. and Laker fan.. but I still think MJ is the greatest... Lebron is just  not on either of their levels since he left cleveland

  • @albertpolay Wrong pussty Lebron is on both in that level and many great players such as t-mac carter, ray etc..

  • I bet if Jordan played one more season, he could still at least average 20ppg over the span of 82 games.

  • Kobe wouldn't be able to take the same abuse that pistons used to dish out against MJ....no contest MJ>Kobe. Even competition was better back in late 80's and early 90's then now. They so quick to call fouls because owner's are afraid of getting thier investment damaged.

  • how old is this? man i miss watching him play. people have to stop comparing kobe and jordan, its getting old.

  • MJ fans can never give full credit to Kobe for what he has done. pheeeel17 said that Kobe's stats and accomplishments are mediocre compared to the greats. Now that's not true since Kobe is right now probably like the 10 best player ever, so he is one of the greats, and his stats and accomplishmentsare only 2nd to almost none. MJ fans need to give Kobe some credit, why can't you since you are so sure that he'll never surprass MJ (true), so you don't have to slight him.

  • Why are people taking this jordan vs kobe thing so serious? Jordan is better than Kobe, put both in their prime jordan edges kobe. I dont agree that it would be a "no contest" though

  • MJ the GREATEST OF ALL TIME BARRING NONE!!!

  • kobe is great,but JORDAN is ,and always the greatest!!!! i would love to see kobe or any other nba player to take 2 years off and come back and win 3 more championchips in a row thats right in a row it will never happen, thats where you seperate great and GREATNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!! colledge champ,olympic champ,scoring champ,dunk champ,defensive champ,mvp allstar champ,mvp finals champ,most of ALL 6 CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS!!!!!! YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH,HAHAHA PEACE!!

  • i like MJ, but c'mon, he's playing one on one with 12 year olds here

  • probably cuz he is over 40 and retired lol

  • hand checking was legal in jordans days. its not now. end of discussion

  • And as for defense... defense WAS more physical back then but it has become more complex today. How do you think the celtics beat the lakers in '08??? Obviously with DEFENSE! No doubt Jordan would've ripped open the league today but i also have no doubt Kobe would've ripped it if he had played in Jordan's days.

  • Times have changed and so has the game. All the gray haired jordan dick riders need to move on. Thers no point in fighting over whose better cuz obviously jordan changed the game in ways no one can even comprehend and kobe has brought it to another level that you jordan dick riders just can't take. No contest that jordan is #1 but you can't hide kobe's accomplishments either. Give him his credit.. Hes the best in the world today.

  • Kobe would rip up the Golden Era?

    He didn't start to score close to 30ppg until AFTER they changed the def rules! He can't even consistently avg 30ppg & 50% FG% now vs these SOFT perimeter defenses of today! He's ALWAYS struggled vs ANY semblance of physical 'D! This is WHY he's NEVER scored 50+ vs the #1-2 ranked 'D at ANY point in his career.

    He shot 36% in the '00 Finals, 38% in the '01 Finals & 41% in the '04 Finals & NONE of them were as physical as teams from that era!

  • Knowledgable fans HATE the def rules of today, because they've disillusioned guys like U into believing that kobe's really on MJ's level & that he'd have equal success in his era.

    He'd no doubt be a star player & have All Star #'s, but he WOULDN'T "consistently" put up MJ type production. The new rules today is the ONLY reason he's able to do this because he DOESN'T have to face the type of defensive resistance MJ did.

    His on-court #'s may look similar, but MORE substance went into MJ's #'s

  • gray-haired? hey i'm only 25 dude, it wasn't THAT long ago. You're right that Kobe would be awesome in any generation. I've watched his whole career, but I don't know how why you say he "brought the game to another level". the game isn't any different from when he arrived. its the same. if ur gonna talk about taking the game to a new level, lebron has more potential to do that. kobe's stats and accomplishments are mediocre compared to the greats. what new level?

  • sickens me to hear these kobe cock riders saying he is better than MJ....just shut the fuck up. and if you think todays defense is harder you must be 12 years old or retarded.

  • LOL!! Exactly!!

    Look what Rod Thorn said:

    "The NBA is [trying] to [promote unimpeded] movement for dribblers or cutters. With the new rules, its [more difficult] now to guard the quick wing players who can handle the ball. The old rules gave [too much] of an [advantage] to defensive players who could use their strength to [control] offensive players. The [new rules] have [addressed] that issue

    -- Rod Thorn, Former NBA V.P. of Operations & NBA Rules Expert; "The Death Of Defense".

  • at 5:13 he said "you reach i teach"

    -greatest of all time.

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  • not even a contest? haha what an arrogant... mj is bullshit, there was arguably better players than him before who never had the media exposure that mj had... he is the commercial figure... as lebron is now... its the same thing with LBJ, the media exposes him as the best of the game today when its a fucking stoned player who ll never be able to compete with kobe.... but you know... the stats are everything

  • true dat.  Kobe + LBJ > jordan

  • MJ's achievements 6 rings 5 nba mvp's 14x nba all-star 6 finals mvp 1x defensive player of the year 10x all nba 1st team 9x all nba defensive team 3x all star mvp 2x slam dunk champ Nba 50th anniversary team. 2 olympic gold medals BRAGGING RIGHTS
  • Absolutely false.

    a) The D in the NBA today is not as good as it was in MJ's day. Yes, players are stronger physically, but they're weaker fundamentally. Today's NBA is an offensive game.

    b) Kobe doesn't have "better individual results." He has a few extremely high scoring games but his overall body of work is statistically inferior. If you research the stats you'll see that MJ best Kobe in nearly every single category, on a single season and career basis.

  • These kids today are just flat out DUMB..

    U spend more time educating them about what kobe has actually DONE & consistently does, but yet he's supposed to be their favorite player though..

    Their either:

    A) trying to interject their opinions in place of the FACTS or

    B) trying to discredit a player's skill/talent/era to level the playing field for them to make these ASANINE "claims" of kobe's alleged superiority, when the FACTS say something TOTALLY different..

  • @Spain2323 kobe is way better

  • @Spain2323 kobe is way better ekddkk

  • not even a contest!!????????? dude m.j had three times easier defense in his time and i dont even want to compare his work with kobes , coz KB plais against harder defense and still has better individual results

  • "Zone defense, widely used in high school & college, was also introduced with a significant caveat. The committee instituted a 3-sec rule for defenders in order to [prevent] teams from parking [taller players] in the [post]. The goal was to [free] the lanes & [encourage] cuts & drives through the paint. With those changes, among other factors, offenses have [opened up] & scoring has [climbed.]"

    -- NY Times Feb.2 9, 2009

    Scoring is up 23% but defenses today are harder?

    You're an idiot!

  • That's cuz players are 10x better than back then offensively, back then they weren't as great scorers because all they had was their no hand checking defense to ensure a few steals and turnovers

  • From 1984-98, the NBA's avg in FG% was 48.3% & avg'd 105.3 ppg. MJ, all but 1 time ('96), ALWAYS shot better than the league avg.

    From 1999 - present, the NBA's avg in FG % is 45.7% & avg's 99.3 ppg. Kobe ALWAYS shoots the league's avg & WORSE than his own team, for 11 seasons as a prod.

    This is just another one of the HUGE differences between MJ & kobe.

    U ought to get tired of getting owned by the facts by now, but sadly, dumb, ignorant & uninformed homers like yourself, never learn

  • "all they had was their no hand checking defense to ensure a few steals and turnovers "

    I don't know what's more absurd about that comment..the fact that U said it or are DUMB ENOUGH to believe it LOL!!

    "Our rules are [designed] to [allow] players to [penetrate] for [high percentage] shots. This has [allowed] for more high quality [perimeter] shots as well, because of how much [easier] it is to penetrate today."

    -- Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations

  • Nice..why not just change the entire quote dumbass

    Get over it. Jordan's gone, find someone else's dick to suck. Quit watching tapes from 1985, he's not coming back. Don't like the NBA now? Keep doing what you're doing, arguing with people smarter than you online, pretending you're the genius here. You ought to get a job already, what are you, 26? 27? 38? Fuckin lowlife.

  • I haven't changed anything, that's what it says! You're just pissed because U can't refute it!

    U & I BOTH know that the FACTS aren't on your side, U just thought U were talkin' to some uniformed dummy like yourself who doesn't know what they're talkin about LOL!!

    You're the TYPICAL YouTube dumbass: when U can't come up with a plausible, accurate or FACT FILLED response, you'll ALWAYS go on the attack with a taunt & insult laced temper tantrum LOL!!

    You're TOTALLY predictable LOL!!

  • You're so predictable, how many times have you said that exact same thing? I don't care how many times you say it. I don't care how many times you say Jordan > Kobe. You're a worthless nobody on the internet trying to prove something to someone who doesn't even read your posts. LOL.

    So pathetic.

  • "You're a worthless nobody on the internet trying to prove something to someone who doesn't even read your posts."

    Then "how'd" U know to respond to it then? You're a PRIME example of how U dumb ass kobe homers NEVER put much thought/logic into your ignorant posts..

  • jajajaajajajaj awesome You're a PRIME example of how U dumb ass kobe homers NEVER put much thought/logic into your ignorant posts.. lol show indianbrkdncer the idiot he is jajajaajajaj he has to be by backin up kobe whom by the way had to bitch out and cry to be able to shine take out shaq take out shaq or ill kill myself jajaajajaj kobe is a bitch and everybody who follows him is another bitch

  • god broke the mold when he created MICHAEL JORDON..AND WE KNOW THIS...

  • kobe cant take on mj he can barely stop even when mj is playing for the wizard

  • The important thing is: if Kobe lived in MJ's time, none of you would be praising MJ as much as you do now.

  • "if Kobe lived in MJ's time, none of you would be praising MJ as much as you do now."

    LOL!!

    U dumb ass kobe homers' arguments are ALWAYS based on a premise that U have NO WAY of proving or a bunch of coulda, shoulda, wouldas, that are prefaced with even more "If's", but's & might's..

    To present such a LAME ass argument in defense of your moronic claims, just shows your desperation in terms of actually trying to "claim" what U do about him LOL!!

  • LOL!! U dumb ass jordan homers' arguments are ALWAYS based on a premise that U have NO WAY of proving or a bunch of coulda, shoulda, wouldas, that are prefaced with even more "If's", but's & might's..

    To present such a LAME ass argument in defense of your moronic claims, just shows your desperation in terms of actually trying to "claim" what U do about him LOL!!

  • U plagiarizing my words to come back at me, is REALLY lame, because unlike dummies like yourself, I can & ALWAYS reference EVERYTHING I say with facts, proof & evidence that ALWAYS validates my point of view..

    U & I both know that..

    The only thing U can do to save face, is to do what you're doing now: responding like the dumb kid that U are, with no evidence, proof whatsoever to even BEGIN to prove any of the nonsense U claim about kobe..

  • @blackadam06 haul ass...MJ killed Kobe when he was 35 years old...MJ would still be the best!

  • That's because kobe homers are monkeys. How the fuck can you even compare anyone to the god like mike?!

    unbelievable.

  • @blackadam06 I know that you can't say that seriously. I'll ask you....Who's team would win, best of out 5?

  • DUDE!! What year was this?

  • @blackadam06 kobe played jordan when jordan was still with the bulls.......do some research kids. u dont know sht about basketball

  • You know nothing about His Airness. . .

  • LOL wow so you kids now praising a basketball player as God huh? Calling him His and bs...stay in school kids, you're gonna look like an idiot online unless you learn a little something about basketball.

  • calling me a kid. . . .hmm. . . being around since 1980 and you're calling me a kid?

    i think you're the kid praising kobe and all since he appeared when you were like 9 or 10

  • How did he got so much taller than his family

  • the real KING

  • yes he is real king

  • tht has always been my dream to be able to play with jordan

  • me too

  • I had no idea Jordan was still this amazing! He could probably still compete with Kobe

  • skills: perhaps

    speed: HELL NO

  • Majesty , best player ever!!!...

    Great video ...

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