what a nonsense, according to the Bible Jesus didn't die, he suffered, died temporarily, raised again and got eternal life after all. is this a sacrifice? hell no, Jesus, nor God, lost anything. according to te Bible they are still there. so what are we talking about? not that I believe anything of this pre-medieval superstition...
A Christian doesn't have to worry about evidence because it is God who chooses his people. Look up Calvinism. No man can believe in God because of our nature. The mere thought of God rubs us the wrong way, like it does you. It is God's action that allows the believer to believe, not evidence or reason. Although, there are plenty of arguments that apologists make that are sound.
@Highlyskeptical Yes, parents can influence their children to be religious, but God makes people Christians. Also, you say that religion is regional, but the mistake you are making is that you are including all the people that make claims about religion. That can be misleading. For all you know there are only 1,000 Christians in the United States and the rest are just people who claim to be Christians. There might be more Christians in the Middle East than there are in the U.S.!
@XXXFirebird76XXX Do you really believe that? There may be more Christians in the Middle East?
Have you ever wondered how the arc of your life would be if you were raised by Hindu parents in India, respecting and believing in many Gods, including Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva?
Have you ever wondered what your life would have been like had you been born to Zeus worshippers, and everything around you the cultural shrines and artifacts of classical Greek Gods everyone believes?
The bible says that the path is narrow and that many will come thinking they know God but he will say that he never knew them. Everything depends on God's will when it comes to knowing him. . And yes, I have wondered what life would have been like in other times and places. With my theology, none of that matters. God chooses his people, so the time and places argument is solved.
I have never had anything in my life that didn't at least potentially have a rational explanation, even a few near death experiences, and the voice in my head is my own. If I subtract my Catholic upbringing I'm left with figuring out what faith is "true".
I'll throw in behind the first religion that relies on testable evidence or maybe God talking in my head (nothing vague), but the more incredible the claims, the more evidence I require.
I didn't have much of a religious upbringing as a kid. My parents told me God existed, but they also let me think Santa existed. They didn't give me much to think about when it came to the theology or philosophy behind their belief system. As for yourself, you may be looking for testable evidence or voices, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree. You can't even scientifically prove you exist outside of 5 minutes ago. For all you know, you are just a brain in a jar.
ouuuuu christ died..... millions, fuck that, billions have suffered more excruciating deaths than 6 hours on a cross. yet we continuously bow our heads and worship a man who cant even be proven to exist. its pity how much religion degrades the human species.
@XXXFirebird76XXX first of all, i dont believe in jesus' divinity because theres no way to prove that he was the son of god born of a virgin mary. also, dying for our sins makes matters worse in the world because people will sin, go to confession and be forgiven despite the gravity of their actions and then go out and sin somemore! also, sinning makes people feel worse about themselves because when they act according to their biological actions, they feel like their committing a criminal act
Moreover, if God doesn't want to make us love Him, why do so many people die in The Old Testament for not loving Him? I would argue that the God of the Bible is deeply invested in making us love Him.
You weren't even there how can you have such emotion over something that happened two thousand years ago for a man you never knew in person there is something very wrong with this.
@Masaries1234 and no the guys that shot down those innocent wont face ANY judgment whatsoever, unless they are prosecuted by law and punished that way and i dont see that ever happening. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. its time to grow up people.
@k0rps3gynd3r There was a video that leaked from wikileaks of an army officer flying with other officers in a helicopter filled with army rifles and guns. Below them was a middle eastern city, essentially barren but with a small group carrying suitcases and one man with a professional camera. The army men seemed strung out as if awake for hours circling the area. The man with the camera was a reporter and him and some friends were shot down by these wicked army guys shouting "Hoorah 15 points."
@Masaries1234 ... shouting "got the sucker." The footage would never be aired on television its too graphic and too real for audiences to handle. The army shot down a man, I believe it was in Iraq, who clearly had a camera and was harmless. The officer kept saying "Can I shoot him?" "Can I shoot him?" and then instantly fired rounds upon rounds on this guy. An innocent reporter. Do you think he should have been shot? Will he ever face justice? And yet any of us can fall to that depravity.
it's not a sacrifice if you know you get to go to heaven and be god. jesus suffered less in his last days than many men at the hands of others. big deal.
Anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is immoral. The Bible says we are all guilty of sin and deserve to die in hell. But if we accept the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, we are forgiven. Sorry, but that is simply evil. No one ( God or human) should EVER be punished for the wrong doings of another. And anyone who accepts the death of Christ for their own sins is immoral. Well, I won't allow an innocent person to pay for my "sins." I guess only people with no conscience can get into heaven.
@000SMITH000 Interesting point. The problem is that you want to make it impossible for anyone to be saved. Tell me again, who is the evil one? God in His providence and love made it possible for people to be saved through Jesus Christ. You don't like it? Talk about a slap in the face of God.
I know it sounds too good to be true, because we have never seen a love like God's in Christ. You just have to tear down your pride, and that is the hardest part. I've been there.
Every time I watch a preacher filled with the Holy Spirit like Paul is here, I feel the presence of God stirring my spirit and I want to stand on the rooftops, the mountaintops, the highways, the churches, especially the churches and PREACH!!!!!!
The more I read in the news, see daily around me andI hear about the world from others, the more my spirit is grieved. I despise what this world is doing and how it is acting and I am stunned by the patience of our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ.
Knowing what He sacrificed for us (His sacrifice began the moment He left Heaven and was conceived in Mary's womb), how could we not follow Him and LOVE Him?!!
That is all the more reason my spirit groans at the response of the world to His sacrifice.
@DarkBunnyLord Good point. Jesus didn't sacrifice anything...he got a sweet deal. Any one would choose to die if it meant they got to come back to life as a god. I wish o' god was still offering that deal. There'd be about 10,000 crucifixions every day.
@DarkBunnyLord Jesus didn't 'become' God. He IS God, WAS God and always WILL BE God.
He sacrificed His dwelling place in Heaven to become flesh and live as one of us in order to become the only human to ever fulfil the requirements of His Father Yahweh. Those who believe He did this and become His disciples, faithfully enduring to the end, will also be granted eternal life with Him. Those who continue to reject Him will be cast into the lake of fire forever. It is that simple.
@AusDisciple No, he was god, became jesus, and then became god again. It's like bill gates stepping down from being the leader of microsoft and then becoming the leader of microsoft. Technically the entity but the position changed.
That aside the very thought that people will be cast into a lake of fire for not believing a book full of contradictions and inconsistancies by using the brains this "god" gave them, would make your God a giant evil tyrant.
@DarkBunnyLord Please, make a list of all the contradictions with references, and let people know them. If you can make such claim you probably have them all in store already. If not, don't make your self look like a fool.
Jesus has always been God and always will. You see, God has a bit different edge than human logic to things. That's why you kind of miss the point, when trying to explain supernatural things by natural means.
@BlindThomen I will certainly not list the 100's as it would take hours upon hours of time but I'll give you a list of a few glaring ones: 1. God is all forgiving -Yet God sends people to hell 2. Murder is a sin and God is sinless -God kills millions of people including children in the bible 3. The witnesses at jesus tome. -6 accounts, 3 different stories about who was there. 4. Who was josephs father? -Mathew and luke give different answers. Here's a load more for ya: watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk
@DarkBunnyLord Ok, I'll answer #1 and #2, because they are the most important to understand. #1: You have to take more than one character of God to get a bigger picture or it's a waste of time. God should kill everyone, who commits sin (Ezekiel 18:4b). Does He do that? No. Why not? Because God is also rich in mercy. Think about it, how many time you and I have sinned in relation to God's commands in deed and thought? Countless...
@BlindThomen That doesn't deny the blatant contradiction at all. If a thug breaks into your house and only kills your children but spares you and your wife does that make him merciful? No, not at all.
On top of that murder is STILL a sin according to the bible, you can't pull the bullshit "oh but look at how many people he didn't kill" so fucking what, he still killed MILLIONS including children who had done NOTHING wrong to deserve death.
@DarkBunnyLord You also have to understand that we didn't exactly make the rules and create everything in this universe, so we are not measured by us, men. We are compared to God and His righteousness. You have to have something to be compared to. Man wants to be God, and without anyone setting the rules (what's wrong with the ten commandments, by the way?). But if you go that route. Everyone has their own set of rules and does what is right in their own eyes. Then nothing is wrong...
@BlindThomen No, we're not. I don't answer to God because I don't believe he created me and even if he did using the logic that "he created everything so he can do what he wants" is like saying a father or mother has the right to do what they want with their kids because they created them. Might makes right is a corrupt and evil adage.
Theres far more than ten commandments, I don't know why so many people are fixated on those but ignore the rest of the old testaments glaring evils.
@DarkBunnyLord Hell is actually a great demonstration of God's love and righteousness. How would you feel if there's was a man, who murdered your close ones, and then the judge just says that. "Well, I'm a very forgiving judge, then murdered can go free"? I'm not sure you'd like that. There is payment to be made for sins committed. However, God is offering you salvation through Jesus Christ. Why is it only through Jesus? So that no man would boast of themselves and their works.
@BlindThomen No, a place made by God that tortures people for eternity is not a demonstration of love or righteousness, it's a sign of a sick and demented being.
If that murderer on his death bed accepts jesus then your bible says God does exactly that, but a man that was good his entire life, gave to charity, helped others where he could and lived a wonderful life but didn't believe in God however would burn in that hell.
(cont) I also don't get the infatuation with Jesus. Oh boy God created life (something he can apparently do with no effort) and sacrificed himself to himself so that he could allow an out to his own convaluted rules.
That's like me coming to you and saying "Hey look your grandfather used to work in my orchard and he stole an apple even when I told him not to. So I have to torture you forever, but don't worry I killed my son and if you accept that you're off the hook". That's sick.
@DarkBunnyLord #2: What makes you think all the children are going to hell? Nonetheless, read Romans 1:18-32 regarding "innocent" being sent to hell. Like I said, if you sin, you deserve hell. Suddenly God has no claim to "murder" wicked men? It's more of God's mercy that He puts up with godless people in their wicked ways so much. I've been within minutes of physical death five times. Talk about mercy, because I wasn't saved then. Just for an example.
@BlindThomen I never said I thought all children where going to hell, I don't think ANYONE is going to hell because it's made up.
So what you're saying is that if I lead a good life, am kind to others, give service or money to charity when I can afford it, etc that I deserve to burn for eternity in a lake of fire while a believer that beats his kids, kills or rapes or what ever other sins but asks forgiveness and truly believes does not.
@DarkBunnyLord As you can see from your first two questions, your problem is essentially with death. I stopped worrying too much about that after I got saved. You may ask how can you say such thing? Because I am, and whoever is, under the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ. That takes away the fear of men, death, and many things along those in me.
@BlindThomen No, I have no issue with death. My problem is with the twisted morals in the bible and those that try to use them to deny basic rights to people, hold back medical science, use them as an excuse for war, etc, etc, etc.
@DarkBunnyLord When you are saved you are right with God, not because of what you have done, but what has been done in Christ. But when a person gets saved, he does not believe in Jesus as the Savior, Jesus primarily becomes the LORD of your life. That means that a person is not about himself anymore, but about Jesus and what He wants you to do. I've been walking this path for 3.5 years now. Would change for absolutely anything, because now I'm actually living for a reason, which is Jesus Christ
@BlindThomen Excuse me what makes you assume I live just for myself because I'm not part of your club? I take care of family and friends, I have done community service time and time again in my community, etc. I have a reason for living and just because it isn't for a man written in a book filled with contradictions, inconsistencies and outright lies about things like the shape of the earth, the rotation of the planets, the age of the earth, etc that I deserve eternal torture?
@DarkBunnyLord Hey. Thanks for the good comments, really. Because now this is actually moving to the very core of things of God.
One good question is the one that who gets saved. And you don't seem to like the fact that someone on his death bed would get saved, while another, who has done good all his life doesn't. As you make that kind of comment, you prove the exact point how most people like to think: You can get saved by works. (cont...)
@DarkBunnyLord You must be wondering why a person, who eg. has lived a 100 years, and has done only good deeds (which can't be true, if you think it can, you are lying to yourself) might still go to hell (if he doesn't believe in God)? Very simple answer, he has denied the very one who created him, and has been apathetic towards him. It's like denying your parents, and living like they never existed.
@BlindThomen So you're saying if a kid denied their parents you'd be ok if they threw them in a torture chamber in their basement... that this would be a just and kind act? You can't be serious.
@DarkBunnyLord About the "believer", who does all wicked things. No, that is not really possible, if the person really is a believer. Why? Because when a believer really has believed unto Jesus, he becomes a new person, who lives a different life. No, not perfect, but a radically different life. I used to hate, look down, envy, wish bad things to, people. I don't anymore, because I have no reason to. Jesus has become the sustenance of life, and everything else is trash compared to seeking him.
@BlindThomen Not true. "Believers" in the bible did terrible things, they marauded and destroyed entire cities, killing everyone in sight then raped the virgins AT Gods command. What you just said is also the exact issue I have with religion and why it's a cancer on society. You just stated that everything that's not seeking Jesus is trash in comparison, so taking care of those around you, making the world a better place, etc are trash?
@DarkBunnyLord I know it may look like a believer can do all sorts of things, and just get away with it, but it just doesn't go like that. Every time I have committed sin after becoming a believer, it just plain hurts, because I have sinned against my Lord, who was crucified because of me. Also, if I sin, God will let me know it, but if he doesn't, I need to very afraid. Because God also rebukes a believer in love, not as a judge, but as a father.
@BlindThomen I'm sorry, but according to your bible it does go like that. A person could have raped hundreds, killed millions, stolen, lied, defiled, etc and it would not matter in the slightest if they asked for forgiveness on their death bed they WOULD be forgiven by your God while a person who had never done any of these things would not. THAT is morally corrupt, and no deity capable of such spitefulness is worthy of worship even if it did exist.
@DarkBunnyLord Yes a person would be forgiven for that but when that happens that person would be changed. I dont think you understand that when my God saves you it is supernatural, it completely changes you from the inside out. The person that was saved and forgiven must change and won't be the same person. If that person were to stay the same he would not get to heaven. And you say a person that has never done any of those things can be forgiven? That isn't in the Bible
@TheTannerdh18 Right so those "saved" priests never raped children because they where changed supernaturally right? Sorry but "saved" people do bad stuff all the time as well, hell look at the crusades and inquisition, witch burnings, stoning's, bombing of abortion clinics, etc all by the "saved".
On top of all this you missed the point. A person that had done all these bad things and simply asked for forgiveness is allowed into heaven but a good person that's skeptical is not, that's not just.
@DarkBunnyLord How do you know they're saved just cause they said so? What makes that person good? Because they didn't do what you call is bad. Well without the bible there are no morals and your consicience is also indication of when youre doing things wrong. Anyway that person isn't any better than a murderer because they both sin and without God they will both end up the same
@TheTannerdh18 I don't think they're saved, remember who you're talking to, I'm an Atheist I don't think theres anything to be saved from in the fist place. I just love how Christians will swear up and down that person X is a good and honest person that's been saved and then as soon as they do something bad then they back peddle and go "oh see they where never saved to begin with".
Without the bible there are plenty of morals, that statement is foolish. (cont)
(cont) Saying that a person that does something as a "sin" is just as bad as a murder shows how twisted your mind really is. Sorry, but someone saying fuck or staring at a pretty women and having a lustful thought IS NOT the same as murder and NEVER will be.
Yes, your evil God will burn them both for eternity, he'll also reward murders and rapists that repent while torturing perfectly good people that where skeptical, what a nice guy.
@DarkBunnyLord Saying what you've said shows me you don't know what you're talking about. You know nothing about God, especially if that's what you think. So since that is how it is until you leat=rn more about my God there is no point in continuing
@TheTannerdh18 I know plenty about your God. I've read your bible and I don't make excuses for God like you do. I don't pretend that murder is just as bad as cursing, lust, or other acts that don't actually hurt anyone at all.
The fact that your God holds them in the same regard means what? Oh yes, that he's a dick with no perspective. Got it.
The fact that you refuse to actually try and debate the point of why they would be the same shows how little of an argument you have.
God considers all sinful acts bad. The reason is because the sinful act is less than perfection. So murder and lying both fall under that umbrella. There is no need for you to measure past the point of perfection when trying to judge which sins are worse.
@XXXFirebird76XXX And that is not justice to me nor would I expect any rational human to find it as justice either. Heck, any crime you could possibly commit would not be worthy of an infinite punishment as you could only ever commit a finite crime if an afterlife existed. On top of this using skepticism that God apparently designed us with... is bad? What?
If that's the case then how is one supposed to determine WHICH religion is right, or if the Devil is tricking you, such logic is foolish.
The crimes are worthy of such punishment because of the value of the perfection that is being violated. There is no need to determine which religion is right because God chooses his people. In all other forms of theology you might have to worry about something like that.
Ok skepticism is the only thing that would allow one to derive which religion was true and not true, thus you would be left up to chance which would not be your fault for choosing wrong. You said this factor of chance is removed from those God chooses, so basically God gives you no evidence and chooses certain people to give belief... so he's a dick? That's not justice, that's pure maliciousness.
Don't be silly. It isn't my logic but rather the logic of some of the greatest minds that have ever walked the earth. I'm just repeating it.
Every man chooses to reject God. They all deserve the punishment that would come with rejecting perfection for inperfection, which is an existence without God...which is what they want anyway. It just so happens that a Godless existence is hellish because there is nothing good outside of god.
@XXXFirebird76XXX You're accepting, repeating, and thinking it, so yes it is YOUR logic as well. Also "greatest minds" is highly debatable as nigh anyone that's made any major advances in science over the past few decades would likely disagree with you.
You're right, I CHOOSE to reject God as well as I CHOOSE to reject unicorns. If you come to me and present me with an idea but provide not evidence I reject it. YOU do the same with every other God, again, showing the fallcay in your logic.
@DarkBunnyLord Well, if I claimed the logic as my own, it would be misleading. Also, many of the major advances made in science in the past few decades have been made by people who believe in God, so I don't know where you are getting your facts.
The logical error in comparing Unicorns and God is in comparing a spiritual being with a physical thing. Surely you can see the difference. Also, the theology of rejecting other God's would fall under the "being chosen" umbrella.
@XXXFirebird76XXX Your argument here is so flawed it's painful to read.
There is no difference with God and Unicorns in concern of the point being made. Both are something claimed to exist by an individual, both have an equal amount of evidence (none) and thus believing in either requires a complete lack of skepticism which "God" suposidly gave people in the first place.
@DarkBunnyLord Now you are spinning to make your case sound legit. The point you are trying to make requires that your examples be similar. You know Unicorns don't exist because there is no physical evidence of their existence, which makes sense. A Unicorn would be a physical animal that lives on earth. Evidence would be expected. A spiritual being doesn't require physical evidence. How in the world are you arguing against this point?
@XXXFirebird76XXX They're EXACTLY similar. If I say pineapple and apples taste the same your objection is "but ones red and the other isn't" the difference you stated is completely irrelevant.
As for a spiritual being, I'm sorry but yes it would require evidence. If you're claiming anything exists let alone had a physical effect like, oh I don't know... creating the universe for example, then it would have a measurable physical effect. If it didn't you couldn't claim it's existence either.
@XXXFirebird76XXX (cont) As for other Gods they have an EQUAL amount of evidence (none) so if you're not using sketpicism you're closing your eyes and going "enie meanie minie moe" meaning God punishes people by chance. If you want to go into the "God chooses his followers" idea you presented that's even worse because that means your damned through NO CHOICE of your own since you couldn't have possibly believed if God didn't choose you without the former chance issue coming into play.
@DarkBunnyLord WE all sin so we all can get forgiven as ong as you seek God. "Every man has sinned and falen short of the glory of God". If you are going to come to christian videos to argue and not listen to what the preachers have to say then don't come if you are just going to cash a religion you don't know about.
@TheTannerdh18 Oh what advice, here's some for you. If you're going to come to a video and comment on a poster that's using intelligence and logic to refute claims then use some back. Your reply had absolutely no logic to it, you claimed being saved changed people and yet completely ignored the massive evils these changed people have done, on top of that you completely ignored the point I made and refused to adress it making your reply, at best, a waste of time.
@TheTannerdh18 Oh how convenient, you've set up an infallible theory that keeps back stepping itself by denying everything that proves it wrong. My point being this whole "you need forgiveness" nonsense just makes God a big bully, he's saying do what I say or I'll burn you... that's not the attitude of a loving and kind being, it's that of a vain and evil monster that wants to burn those who use the skepticism he supposedly gave him, also making him either twitsed or simply incompetent.
@AusDisciple Yes and that is evil. He sacrificed his place in heaven for one lifetime, something to a being that's been around oh what? Forever? Shouldn't mean anything more than the passing of a second to you.
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Oh what hope this following verse gives those of us who weep now.....
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
p.s. nice church. where does your town's homeless sleep? under a bridge? yet you have a million dollar building you use a few times a week. try shutting the pie hole and walk the walk. it should be safe for you to give it all away to those who need it. god will always provide for YOU, right?
nice suit. did your parish fund it? if jesus loves everyone, why would he let you wear a $300 suit, and children starve? if you love everyone and a child of christ, dress like a homeless guy and give your suits to the more needy. those who work for a living at minimum wage, as opposed to yourself who steals from the ignorant and scared with threats of fire and brimstone. funny, but the mob works that way and it's illegal. it's called extortion. you just combined it with brainwashing.
Bible tells us jesus was raised along with many others, not to mention all of the other supernatural business that supposedly went on at the time yet some of the story wasn't written down for decades and in some cases centuries.Believe what you want, just don't expect sane rational people to control their laughter when you tell them they need to accept jesus in order to save them from the hell he created so he would have a place to send us when we sin (also his invention!)What a crock of shit!
LOL, god damn, the christians do provide a great deal of entertainment. If they weren't so dangerous, they might actually provide a net positive effect on balance; however, the scale of utility tips deeply in the opposite of faith.
@Stvfloit When things get truly dark for you, call on Jesus and he will lift you out of this pit. He did it for me, the worst of the worst. God is good and He is just. There is a heaven and a hell.
Jesus Christ is both God and man,He is The Son of Man,He is The Everlasting Eternal Father and Creator of all things everywhere and if you Truly Repent and Believe you will be Saved !
these people have no hope without their martyr and that is their only lifeline away from fear. whatever happened to believing in yourself? are these people too weak to have inner strength?
@minimary57 I don't think you know about the will of mankind. Mankind has over come many things throughout history through our own natural ingenuity and inner strength. If we believed in ourselves we would have no need for a god. that's just what i think.
@Domodeath No martyr can control the power I have within. The belief in self is the strongest belief, the inner strength that delves within us all if we fight on and overcome by our own will. I have hope for myself and would accept oblivion to eternal servitude because at least then I would be free and would not be afraid of what darkness lies ahead. Believe what you will but I disagree wholeheartedly.
Praise you Lord Jesus thank you so much for your grace given to me. But honestly no words can describe how perfect and wonderful you are!! I love you Lord help to serve you better.
Then again, God could have just forgiven all of humanity, or even designed us to be perfectly moral all the time, which would have eliminated the need for Jesus' sacrifice. At least I think so; from what I hear, God designs things.
@fowlkesbrian Yes He could have, but then we would be robots, having no free will to love Him. You have a free will to love God, He isn't going to make you love Him.
@sgipacket Apologies for my delayed response. The inherent flaw in the free will arguement is that Adam and Eve were initially created to be subservient. Their independence came through the Tree. If one argues that the Tree was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, then Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong in "The Beginning". If God doesn't want us to be robots, why did He design the first humans ever to be robotic?
The huge gravity of the subject is obvious if its true, but it has never been proven to be. It has been asserted for millennia without evidence, and has intruded on (sometimes ruined) childhoods of people who were taught from birth that these teachings were more important than the happiness of the people themselves. And a ruined childhood precedes a miserable adulthood the vast majority of the time. If these teachings are true, our happiness is worthless. This is the lie being told here.
I'm not surprised so many people are thinking 'what the hell?' when they see PW getting hype like this. He's as passionate about the Gospel as preachers should actually be, but of course its not good for business is it?
@UnrealHelix Uh, no then aren't. They aren't facts, either. Disregarding the stories which are scientifically impossible or contradictory (The creation story, Noah's Ark), we still have several stories that either are contradictory to or unsupported by evidence. For instance, there is absolutely no record of Hebrew or any other form of slaves in Egypt. And then there's the fact that there are NO credible extrabiblical accounts of the mere existence of Jesus.
@Acorafication I think you should read into the historicy of the Bible. Ok you're right, the miracles etc are contradictory to science, but alot of scripture has evidence (reasonably) to hold it true.
@UnrealHelix Uh, no. The bible is mostly historically false. The things that actually are historically correct were things that were self evident to the authors of the bible, since they were occurring during, or shortly before, the lives of the authors. Therefore, the historicity of the majority of the bible is still null.
And what, exactly, does this have to do with Jesus being or not being risen? As I've already pointed out, there are no credible extrabiblical sources supporting this.
@Acorafication I think what you have said is false and can be proven false. But this isn't an argument for youtube. My belief in scripture isn't its historical stature, its the power of God to convict a former God-hater of His sin through this sacred book! Thats it, I've got nothing more 2 say
@UnrealHelix So, you're claiming that what I say is false, and yet you're running away instead of actually even pointing out what is false about them? Typical.
@Acorafication I'm not running away. All I'm saying is there is that this discussion is much more suited to a debate, then me writing things on youtube which can easily be misinterpreted. I've seen these creationism vs atheism arguments online and they're much more pointless than any of the real live debates I've seen.
@UnrealHelix That's a very dull and unoriginal response. If you're going to make an argument, please back it up with more then just irrelevant song lyrics.
@Acorafication Fair enuff. But its true...what do you want me to do, draw you a picture of Jesus Christ? Show you his bones? My faith isn't in external things, its based on external experiences which are real enough to make a new man out of me.
@UnrealHelix Your faith is based on your own personal experiences, which are real enough to you. However, as it is based on personal experiences, you cannot use those to convince others, since they have not experienced what you believe you have.
@steveinchelsea Of course he will come across as depressing people who don't believe (and many ppl who do). He's talking about big realities, do you expect him to be cracking jokes & one-liners? This isn't false teaching, this is how modern preaching should be. The Gospel isn't a joke ting, the issue of sin is more than serious, look at this world...
@UnrealHelix I don't see the point of harranging people. I doubt if anything you do is ever going to please this guy! All; he does is threaten people, and if Christ was God to begin with, and he's very confusing on this point, how can a god "die." It makes no sense, and our suposed sins are due to someone eating an apple!
@steveinchelsea I don't think he threathens, I think he warns. The wrath of GOD/the issue of sin are the most serious subjects possible. PW is just doing what the Bible commands a true Christian to do: preach the Gospel warning ppl to repent, bocs the Kingdom of GOD is coming. He's just doing what all the other pastors and preachers you see should actually be doing. He's not crazy, he knows its not exactly a popular message
@UnrealHelix Well I did hear something about a knee capping, which is straight out of The Sopranos. And anyway what are these supposed "sins", and how does one repent. I heard all this stuff as a kid. It doesn't help anybody. We try to live the best we can on this planet during our lifetimeand hopefuly to leave it a little better when we leave it. In any case that's my philosophy. You and the god reverend are entitled to yours but don't impose it on me!
I can't tell if this guy is Irish or American, but he looks MORBIDLY unhappy. I don't mean to be flippant, but I've never understood why something called "faith" makes so many people look like they're the ones carrying the cross.
@bheddon Because what he's saying has eternal implications, and he believes it with all his heart...listen to what he's saying, its not GOD Channel, entertainment 'Christianity'
@UnrealHelix Considering what he's talking about here, I would think that it's eternal implications would be pretty exciting. I would think this belief would make more people happy, as opposed to telling people that their "kneecaps will be broken." This guy is scaring people, some of whom are undoubtedly children. And for the extreme lack of evidence to back up his claims, I don't think its moral.
@bheddon This belief should make people happy. The only reason he's talking this way, is because of the gravity of the subject which if true (it is), has amazing implications for mankind. I see why ppl feel this way about Paul Washer's preaching. He speaks the way I would if I was called to preach - direct, explicit, full of passion, and belief in God. He's preaching the Gospel which all the fake tv preachers should be preaching but can't cos they don't know God, that's why it sounds so harsh.
Atonement - what is more probable? A demigod (Christ) died on the cross to appease himself as a substitute for our misdeeds, OR the tale is but an updated rendition of the Jewish tradition of Yom Kippur. A n ancient ceremony where the sins of the faithful were magically cast upon a goat that was then set free to die in the wilderness taking all sins with it. Connect the dots my friend. Regards
@1Skeptik1 The "scapegoat" is another sign of the Messiah's sacrificing himself to, not appease himself but to pay for the guilty. We do put people in prison to appease the police or judge, but the laws of right and wrong.
Jesus of Nazareth is brought before Pilate and so is Jesus Barrabas, a criminal.
The guilt of all standing there is placed on the head of the innocent one and the guilty one set free. Now, that's prophecy for you.
@PilgramSOS Greetings Pilgrim - I suggest criminals are removed from society to protect the public rather then appease a judge. Prophecy? Ask an educated Jew what he thinks of Christian prophecy, he will likely chuckle. You seem to have missed my point, i.e., unless you believe misdeeds can be expunged from the masses by a bizarre religious ceremony involving a goat. God's chosen people insisted it was so. Could they have been mistaken? Perhaps an example of spurious belief? Regards
@1Skeptik1 My name is spelled Pligram. Yes, You are right about the criminal system. Thanks. Because most "educated jews" chuckle is what has always gotten them into trouble. What's new?. Not spurious belief.
But I disagree with the prophecy statement. Jewish and Gentile Christians alike who read the entire Bible, come to the same conclusions in regards to the prophecies in scripture. I found the most wonderful things and later discovered that I was not the only one. Regards to you, too.
@PilgramSOS - I apologize for the name error, Pilgram is shown at the left?
I seem to fail to make my point. I try again: What do you make of yom kippur?
I also suggest the Bible has passages most offensive: Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. I know no "Christians" that comply, or even attempt to. A bizarre mandate perhaps?
@1Skeptik1 I asked my Pastor about that and wanted to know what the "greek" said.
He told me it is "hate" and that the Jews that Jesus was addressing would probably be ostracized from there families. It was not so much that you hate them, but that you love Him that much. His apostles dropped their nets and walked out on their fathers for example. Our eternal soul is vastly more important than our physical life which is short. Jesus said to deny yourself and follow Him. He gave up Heaven.
@PilgramSOS Interesting exchange. YHWH and Christianity have a history, as does the bible. Have you ever wondered who worte it and who decided what was to be included/excluded? The first half of Robert Wright's "Evolution of God" is very good, you will discover much about the ancient Hebrew and their YHWH / EL. Other Religious historians - Borg, Spong, Geering, Pagels, Armstrong all recognized for their scholarship...some can be found on youtube. Good luck!
@1Skeptik1 I like the ancient stuff too. But God did not evolve. If you only read things that try to explain away you create doubt. Same for me. I promise, I am aware that men make up gods. The bible tells us this. But men can not have written what's in it and conspired together. 40+ writers over 1500 yrs. Nor could they have known things of the universe we are just discovering. It was written to children and we are told be like children and trust me. All men are born w/ a sense of eternity.
@PilgramSOS I do not assert GOD evolved, rather the concept of GOD does. Yes, man worshipped thousands of "GODs" over countless generations, all products of imagination except the one of the bronze age Hebrew? ( Again, their YHWH has a history) . Sorry , but the cosmology presented in Genesis is laughable. The Earth did NOT precede the Sun, nor is our home world surrounded by a sphere of water. Sorry, the ancient Hebrew could not pass a Jr. High Earth and Space science quiz. Regards
@1Skeptik1 That's right it did not. Its says the "the heavens and the earth. And the earth was void(not there)and w/out form. But those people back then new more than the average person today. They could read the skies. But look at an online Bible and search the word "waters" to see how scripture defines it. Notice the Spirit was over the waters and stars had not formed yet? Jesus offers the woman at the well living water. John describes what looks like flowing water come from the throne Rev.
@PilgramSOS My friend, You have yet to answer the question of Yom Kippur?Tthe ancient Hebrew was largely illiterate and believed in magic. Virtually no schools, books, libraries,no science or internet etc.. Yet you assert they knew more then the average person today because they "read" the stars? OH MY! Yes they did, that is called astrology, (all crap).
Read Genesis - The sun WAS created AFTER the Earth. This is an example of ancient Hebrew folklore, 4th. graders know better. Regards
@1Skeptik1 Okay. Yom Kippur. The High Holy Days are for "rehearsals". The Tabernacle was constructed after the "model" that God showed Moses. Model of what? Heaven. On that first Yom Kippur(Lev16) AAron is told to take @ goat to the entrance of the Tabernacle and presented before the Lord. He is in his priestly garments and has washed himself clean. He offers a blood sacrifice for himself and then lots are cast for the goats. The one that falls to God is killed for the sins of of all the people.
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ThePredatorElder 4 days ago
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AMEN!!!!!!! GOLRY TO THE KING OF KINGS, AND LOR OF LORDS.
ThePredatorElder 6 months ago
Cut the act..it's just ridiculous
MarcoArsenault 6 months ago 2
Can people honestly not see that religion is a mental disorder?
MegaLolburger 7 months ago 3
Highly creepy!
CntrBrdr 7 months ago 5
ZOMBIES!!!!!!!
Penfold011082 8 months ago 2
Does anybody else think that people that talk like this are creepy? To feign the emotion of sadness.....
Yes, you're faith is worthless.........
easyas314 8 months ago 10
@easyas314 Creepy indeed
squidward10tacles 6 months ago
what a nonsense, according to the Bible Jesus didn't die, he suffered, died temporarily, raised again and got eternal life after all. is this a sacrifice? hell no, Jesus, nor God, lost anything. according to te Bible they are still there. so what are we talking about? not that I believe anything of this pre-medieval superstition...
doyoublush 8 months ago
Its too bad there's no evidence outside of the Bible for Jesus' miracles, or even existence.
The only evidence that exists are the accounts of a small group of self proclaimed followers of Jesus.
You kind of have to take their word on things.
Christianity...taking the ball and running with it for 2000 years.
Highlyskeptical 8 months ago
@Highlyskeptical
A Christian doesn't have to worry about evidence because it is God who chooses his people. Look up Calvinism. No man can believe in God because of our nature. The mere thought of God rubs us the wrong way, like it does you. It is God's action that allows the believer to believe, not evidence or reason. Although, there are plenty of arguments that apologists make that are sound.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX I see.
I don't think God chooses people.
I think adult parent people choose what their small children people will believe in.
Why is religion mainly regional if that were not so? HIndus mainly in India, Muslims in the Middle East, Christians in the Americas.
If religion makes you feel good, that doesn't mean its right or has a net benefit for society, especially if it creates unbreachable divisions.
I see People benignly imprinting other People, like with language.
Highlyskeptical 8 months ago
@Highlyskeptical Yes, parents can influence their children to be religious, but God makes people Christians. Also, you say that religion is regional, but the mistake you are making is that you are including all the people that make claims about religion. That can be misleading. For all you know there are only 1,000 Christians in the United States and the rest are just people who claim to be Christians. There might be more Christians in the Middle East than there are in the U.S.!
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX Do you really believe that? There may be more Christians in the Middle East?
Have you ever wondered how the arc of your life would be if you were raised by Hindu parents in India, respecting and believing in many Gods, including Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva?
Have you ever wondered what your life would have been like had you been born to Zeus worshippers, and everything around you the cultural shrines and artifacts of classical Greek Gods everyone believes?
Have you?
Highlyskeptical 8 months ago
@Highlyskeptical
The bible says that the path is narrow and that many will come thinking they know God but he will say that he never knew them. Everything depends on God's will when it comes to knowing him. . And yes, I have wondered what life would have been like in other times and places. With my theology, none of that matters. God chooses his people, so the time and places argument is solved.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX Ok, I understand you.
I have never had anything in my life that didn't at least potentially have a rational explanation, even a few near death experiences, and the voice in my head is my own. If I subtract my Catholic upbringing I'm left with figuring out what faith is "true".
I'll throw in behind the first religion that relies on testable evidence or maybe God talking in my head (nothing vague), but the more incredible the claims, the more evidence I require.
Highlyskeptical 8 months ago 2
@Highlyskeptical
I didn't have much of a religious upbringing as a kid. My parents told me God existed, but they also let me think Santa existed. They didn't give me much to think about when it came to the theology or philosophy behind their belief system. As for yourself, you may be looking for testable evidence or voices, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree. You can't even scientifically prove you exist outside of 5 minutes ago. For all you know, you are just a brain in a jar.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
ouuuuu christ died..... millions, fuck that, billions have suffered more excruciating deaths than 6 hours on a cross. yet we continuously bow our heads and worship a man who cant even be proven to exist. its pity how much religion degrades the human species.
atimor 8 months ago
@atimor
It wasn't they way that Jesus died that was special, it was his worth. His high value allowed him to pay for the sins of others.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX first of all, i dont believe in jesus' divinity because theres no way to prove that he was the son of god born of a virgin mary. also, dying for our sins makes matters worse in the world because people will sin, go to confession and be forgiven despite the gravity of their actions and then go out and sin somemore! also, sinning makes people feel worse about themselves because when they act according to their biological actions, they feel like their committing a criminal act
atimor 8 months ago
Moreover, if God doesn't want to make us love Him, why do so many people die in The Old Testament for not loving Him? I would argue that the God of the Bible is deeply invested in making us love Him.
fowlkesbrian 8 months ago
You weren't even there how can you have such emotion over something that happened two thousand years ago for a man you never knew in person there is something very wrong with this.
wachnathan 8 months ago
@Masaries1234 and no the guys that shot down those innocent wont face ANY judgment whatsoever, unless they are prosecuted by law and punished that way and i dont see that ever happening. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. its time to grow up people.
k0rps3gynd3r 9 months ago
@Masaries1234 and by the way, i have seen the video.
k0rps3gynd3r 9 months ago
@Masaries1234 what does that have to do with what I said?....
k0rps3gynd3r 9 months ago
anything to make a buck......
k0rps3gynd3r 9 months ago
@k0rps3gynd3r There was a video that leaked from wikileaks of an army officer flying with other officers in a helicopter filled with army rifles and guns. Below them was a middle eastern city, essentially barren but with a small group carrying suitcases and one man with a professional camera. The army men seemed strung out as if awake for hours circling the area. The man with the camera was a reporter and him and some friends were shot down by these wicked army guys shouting "Hoorah 15 points."
Masaries1234 9 months ago
@Masaries1234 ... shouting "got the sucker." The footage would never be aired on television its too graphic and too real for audiences to handle. The army shot down a man, I believe it was in Iraq, who clearly had a camera and was harmless. The officer kept saying "Can I shoot him?" "Can I shoot him?" and then instantly fired rounds upon rounds on this guy. An innocent reporter. Do you think he should have been shot? Will he ever face justice? And yet any of us can fall to that depravity.
Masaries1234 9 months ago
every time I see this type of behavior, it makes me more and more comfortable in my atheism. i mean look at this space cadet!!! is he serious?
k0rps3gynd3r 9 months ago
it's not a sacrifice if you know you get to go to heaven and be god. jesus suffered less in his last days than many men at the hands of others. big deal.
douchlin656 9 months ago
The 9/11 bombers died for us to......
NormanAngle 9 months ago
"There's nothing like...." people advertising spot treatments who have never had a spot in their life.
NormanAngle 9 months ago
Shoot. He looks like he is about to cry throughout the whole thing. It's not like we don't know how the story ends!!! BRB, LOL
Airmanf7 9 months ago
Anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is immoral. The Bible says we are all guilty of sin and deserve to die in hell. But if we accept the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, we are forgiven. Sorry, but that is simply evil. No one ( God or human) should EVER be punished for the wrong doings of another. And anyone who accepts the death of Christ for their own sins is immoral. Well, I won't allow an innocent person to pay for my "sins." I guess only people with no conscience can get into heaven.
000SMITH000 10 months ago
@000SMITH000 Interesting point. The problem is that you want to make it impossible for anyone to be saved. Tell me again, who is the evil one? God in His providence and love made it possible for people to be saved through Jesus Christ. You don't like it? Talk about a slap in the face of God.
I know it sounds too good to be true, because we have never seen a love like God's in Christ. You just have to tear down your pride, and that is the hardest part. I've been there.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
So..who did the children of Adam and Eve multiply with? Were they screwing each other? This guy needs to seek help...not God.
1955JAFO 10 months ago
Every time I watch a preacher filled with the Holy Spirit like Paul is here, I feel the presence of God stirring my spirit and I want to stand on the rooftops, the mountaintops, the highways, the churches, especially the churches and PREACH!!!!!!
The more I read in the news, see daily around me andI hear about the world from others, the more my spirit is grieved. I despise what this world is doing and how it is acting and I am stunned by the patience of our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ.
AusDisciple 11 months ago
Knowing what He sacrificed for us (His sacrifice began the moment He left Heaven and was conceived in Mary's womb), how could we not follow Him and LOVE Him?!!
That is all the more reason my spirit groans at the response of the world to His sacrifice.
AusDisciple 11 months ago
@AusDisciple How is dying for a few moments and then literally becoming God a sacrifice?
That's like giving up your house and being rewarded with a mansion millions of times the size and value of your "sacrifice".
An immortal being dying for a second is not a sacrifice, it's a poorly written fairy tail.
DarkBunnyLord 10 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Good point. Jesus didn't sacrifice anything...he got a sweet deal. Any one would choose to die if it meant they got to come back to life as a god. I wish o' god was still offering that deal. There'd be about 10,000 crucifixions every day.
000SMITH000 10 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Jesus didn't 'become' God. He IS God, WAS God and always WILL BE God.
He sacrificed His dwelling place in Heaven to become flesh and live as one of us in order to become the only human to ever fulfil the requirements of His Father Yahweh. Those who believe He did this and become His disciples, faithfully enduring to the end, will also be granted eternal life with Him. Those who continue to reject Him will be cast into the lake of fire forever. It is that simple.
AusDisciple 10 months ago
@AusDisciple No, he was god, became jesus, and then became god again. It's like bill gates stepping down from being the leader of microsoft and then becoming the leader of microsoft. Technically the entity but the position changed.
That aside the very thought that people will be cast into a lake of fire for not believing a book full of contradictions and inconsistancies by using the brains this "god" gave them, would make your God a giant evil tyrant.
DarkBunnyLord 10 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Please, make a list of all the contradictions with references, and let people know them. If you can make such claim you probably have them all in store already. If not, don't make your self look like a fool.
Jesus has always been God and always will. You see, God has a bit different edge than human logic to things. That's why you kind of miss the point, when trying to explain supernatural things by natural means.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Ok, I'll answer #1 and #2, because they are the most important to understand. #1: You have to take more than one character of God to get a bigger picture or it's a waste of time. God should kill everyone, who commits sin (Ezekiel 18:4b). Does He do that? No. Why not? Because God is also rich in mercy. Think about it, how many time you and I have sinned in relation to God's commands in deed and thought? Countless...
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen That doesn't deny the blatant contradiction at all. If a thug breaks into your house and only kills your children but spares you and your wife does that make him merciful? No, not at all.
On top of that murder is STILL a sin according to the bible, you can't pull the bullshit "oh but look at how many people he didn't kill" so fucking what, he still killed MILLIONS including children who had done NOTHING wrong to deserve death.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord You also have to understand that we didn't exactly make the rules and create everything in this universe, so we are not measured by us, men. We are compared to God and His righteousness. You have to have something to be compared to. Man wants to be God, and without anyone setting the rules (what's wrong with the ten commandments, by the way?). But if you go that route. Everyone has their own set of rules and does what is right in their own eyes. Then nothing is wrong...
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen No, we're not. I don't answer to God because I don't believe he created me and even if he did using the logic that "he created everything so he can do what he wants" is like saying a father or mother has the right to do what they want with their kids because they created them. Might makes right is a corrupt and evil adage.
Theres far more than ten commandments, I don't know why so many people are fixated on those but ignore the rest of the old testaments glaring evils.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Hell is actually a great demonstration of God's love and righteousness. How would you feel if there's was a man, who murdered your close ones, and then the judge just says that. "Well, I'm a very forgiving judge, then murdered can go free"? I'm not sure you'd like that. There is payment to be made for sins committed. However, God is offering you salvation through Jesus Christ. Why is it only through Jesus? So that no man would boast of themselves and their works.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen No, a place made by God that tortures people for eternity is not a demonstration of love or righteousness, it's a sign of a sick and demented being.
If that murderer on his death bed accepts jesus then your bible says God does exactly that, but a man that was good his entire life, gave to charity, helped others where he could and lived a wonderful life but didn't believe in God however would burn in that hell.
Oh so merciful this God of yours.
(cont)
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
(cont) I also don't get the infatuation with Jesus. Oh boy God created life (something he can apparently do with no effort) and sacrificed himself to himself so that he could allow an out to his own convaluted rules.
That's like me coming to you and saying "Hey look your grandfather used to work in my orchard and he stole an apple even when I told him not to. So I have to torture you forever, but don't worry I killed my son and if you accept that you're off the hook". That's sick.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord #2: What makes you think all the children are going to hell? Nonetheless, read Romans 1:18-32 regarding "innocent" being sent to hell. Like I said, if you sin, you deserve hell. Suddenly God has no claim to "murder" wicked men? It's more of God's mercy that He puts up with godless people in their wicked ways so much. I've been within minutes of physical death five times. Talk about mercy, because I wasn't saved then. Just for an example.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen I never said I thought all children where going to hell, I don't think ANYONE is going to hell because it's made up.
So what you're saying is that if I lead a good life, am kind to others, give service or money to charity when I can afford it, etc that I deserve to burn for eternity in a lake of fire while a believer that beats his kids, kills or rapes or what ever other sins but asks forgiveness and truly believes does not.
If that's what you think, your twisted.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord As you can see from your first two questions, your problem is essentially with death. I stopped worrying too much about that after I got saved. You may ask how can you say such thing? Because I am, and whoever is, under the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ. That takes away the fear of men, death, and many things along those in me.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen No, I have no issue with death. My problem is with the twisted morals in the bible and those that try to use them to deny basic rights to people, hold back medical science, use them as an excuse for war, etc, etc, etc.
I have no fear of death.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord When you are saved you are right with God, not because of what you have done, but what has been done in Christ. But when a person gets saved, he does not believe in Jesus as the Savior, Jesus primarily becomes the LORD of your life. That means that a person is not about himself anymore, but about Jesus and what He wants you to do. I've been walking this path for 3.5 years now. Would change for absolutely anything, because now I'm actually living for a reason, which is Jesus Christ
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen Excuse me what makes you assume I live just for myself because I'm not part of your club? I take care of family and friends, I have done community service time and time again in my community, etc. I have a reason for living and just because it isn't for a man written in a book filled with contradictions, inconsistencies and outright lies about things like the shape of the earth, the rotation of the planets, the age of the earth, etc that I deserve eternal torture?
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Hey. Thanks for the good comments, really. Because now this is actually moving to the very core of things of God.
One good question is the one that who gets saved. And you don't seem to like the fact that someone on his death bed would get saved, while another, who has done good all his life doesn't. As you make that kind of comment, you prove the exact point how most people like to think: You can get saved by works. (cont...)
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord You must be wondering why a person, who eg. has lived a 100 years, and has done only good deeds (which can't be true, if you think it can, you are lying to yourself) might still go to hell (if he doesn't believe in God)? Very simple answer, he has denied the very one who created him, and has been apathetic towards him. It's like denying your parents, and living like they never existed.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen So you're saying if a kid denied their parents you'd be ok if they threw them in a torture chamber in their basement... that this would be a just and kind act? You can't be serious.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord About the "believer", who does all wicked things. No, that is not really possible, if the person really is a believer. Why? Because when a believer really has believed unto Jesus, he becomes a new person, who lives a different life. No, not perfect, but a radically different life. I used to hate, look down, envy, wish bad things to, people. I don't anymore, because I have no reason to. Jesus has become the sustenance of life, and everything else is trash compared to seeking him.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen Not true. "Believers" in the bible did terrible things, they marauded and destroyed entire cities, killing everyone in sight then raped the virgins AT Gods command. What you just said is also the exact issue I have with religion and why it's a cancer on society. You just stated that everything that's not seeking Jesus is trash in comparison, so taking care of those around you, making the world a better place, etc are trash?
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord I know it may look like a believer can do all sorts of things, and just get away with it, but it just doesn't go like that. Every time I have committed sin after becoming a believer, it just plain hurts, because I have sinned against my Lord, who was crucified because of me. Also, if I sin, God will let me know it, but if he doesn't, I need to very afraid. Because God also rebukes a believer in love, not as a judge, but as a father.
BlindThomen 8 months ago
@BlindThomen I'm sorry, but according to your bible it does go like that. A person could have raped hundreds, killed millions, stolen, lied, defiled, etc and it would not matter in the slightest if they asked for forgiveness on their death bed they WOULD be forgiven by your God while a person who had never done any of these things would not. THAT is morally corrupt, and no deity capable of such spitefulness is worthy of worship even if it did exist.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Yes a person would be forgiven for that but when that happens that person would be changed. I dont think you understand that when my God saves you it is supernatural, it completely changes you from the inside out. The person that was saved and forgiven must change and won't be the same person. If that person were to stay the same he would not get to heaven. And you say a person that has never done any of those things can be forgiven? That isn't in the Bible
TheTannerdh18 8 months ago
@TheTannerdh18 Right so those "saved" priests never raped children because they where changed supernaturally right? Sorry but "saved" people do bad stuff all the time as well, hell look at the crusades and inquisition, witch burnings, stoning's, bombing of abortion clinics, etc all by the "saved".
On top of all this you missed the point. A person that had done all these bad things and simply asked for forgiveness is allowed into heaven but a good person that's skeptical is not, that's not just.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord How do you know they're saved just cause they said so? What makes that person good? Because they didn't do what you call is bad. Well without the bible there are no morals and your consicience is also indication of when youre doing things wrong. Anyway that person isn't any better than a murderer because they both sin and without God they will both end up the same
TheTannerdh18 8 months ago
@TheTannerdh18 I don't think they're saved, remember who you're talking to, I'm an Atheist I don't think theres anything to be saved from in the fist place. I just love how Christians will swear up and down that person X is a good and honest person that's been saved and then as soon as they do something bad then they back peddle and go "oh see they where never saved to begin with".
Without the bible there are plenty of morals, that statement is foolish. (cont)
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
(cont) Saying that a person that does something as a "sin" is just as bad as a murder shows how twisted your mind really is. Sorry, but someone saying fuck or staring at a pretty women and having a lustful thought IS NOT the same as murder and NEVER will be.
Yes, your evil God will burn them both for eternity, he'll also reward murders and rapists that repent while torturing perfectly good people that where skeptical, what a nice guy.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Saying what you've said shows me you don't know what you're talking about. You know nothing about God, especially if that's what you think. So since that is how it is until you leat=rn more about my God there is no point in continuing
TheTannerdh18 8 months ago
@TheTannerdh18 I know plenty about your God. I've read your bible and I don't make excuses for God like you do. I don't pretend that murder is just as bad as cursing, lust, or other acts that don't actually hurt anyone at all.
The fact that your God holds them in the same regard means what? Oh yes, that he's a dick with no perspective. Got it.
The fact that you refuse to actually try and debate the point of why they would be the same shows how little of an argument you have.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord
God considers all sinful acts bad. The reason is because the sinful act is less than perfection. So murder and lying both fall under that umbrella. There is no need for you to measure past the point of perfection when trying to judge which sins are worse.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX And that is not justice to me nor would I expect any rational human to find it as justice either. Heck, any crime you could possibly commit would not be worthy of an infinite punishment as you could only ever commit a finite crime if an afterlife existed. On top of this using skepticism that God apparently designed us with... is bad? What?
If that's the case then how is one supposed to determine WHICH religion is right, or if the Devil is tricking you, such logic is foolish.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord
The crimes are worthy of such punishment because of the value of the perfection that is being violated. There is no need to determine which religion is right because God chooses his people. In all other forms of theology you might have to worry about something like that.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX Wow your logic... it... it hurts it's so bad.
Ok skepticism is the only thing that would allow one to derive which religion was true and not true, thus you would be left up to chance which would not be your fault for choosing wrong. You said this factor of chance is removed from those God chooses, so basically God gives you no evidence and chooses certain people to give belief... so he's a dick? That's not justice, that's pure maliciousness.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord
Don't be silly. It isn't my logic but rather the logic of some of the greatest minds that have ever walked the earth. I'm just repeating it.
Every man chooses to reject God. They all deserve the punishment that would come with rejecting perfection for inperfection, which is an existence without God...which is what they want anyway. It just so happens that a Godless existence is hellish because there is nothing good outside of god.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX You're accepting, repeating, and thinking it, so yes it is YOUR logic as well. Also "greatest minds" is highly debatable as nigh anyone that's made any major advances in science over the past few decades would likely disagree with you.
You're right, I CHOOSE to reject God as well as I CHOOSE to reject unicorns. If you come to me and present me with an idea but provide not evidence I reject it. YOU do the same with every other God, again, showing the fallcay in your logic.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Well, if I claimed the logic as my own, it would be misleading. Also, many of the major advances made in science in the past few decades have been made by people who believe in God, so I don't know where you are getting your facts.
The logical error in comparing Unicorns and God is in comparing a spiritual being with a physical thing. Surely you can see the difference. Also, the theology of rejecting other God's would fall under the "being chosen" umbrella.
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX Your argument here is so flawed it's painful to read.
There is no difference with God and Unicorns in concern of the point being made. Both are something claimed to exist by an individual, both have an equal amount of evidence (none) and thus believing in either requires a complete lack of skepticism which "God" suposidly gave people in the first place.
(cont)
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Now you are spinning to make your case sound legit. The point you are trying to make requires that your examples be similar. You know Unicorns don't exist because there is no physical evidence of their existence, which makes sense. A Unicorn would be a physical animal that lives on earth. Evidence would be expected. A spiritual being doesn't require physical evidence. How in the world are you arguing against this point?
XXXFirebird76XXX 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX They're EXACTLY similar. If I say pineapple and apples taste the same your objection is "but ones red and the other isn't" the difference you stated is completely irrelevant.
As for a spiritual being, I'm sorry but yes it would require evidence. If you're claiming anything exists let alone had a physical effect like, oh I don't know... creating the universe for example, then it would have a measurable physical effect. If it didn't you couldn't claim it's existence either.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX (cont) As for other Gods they have an EQUAL amount of evidence (none) so if you're not using sketpicism you're closing your eyes and going "enie meanie minie moe" meaning God punishes people by chance. If you want to go into the "God chooses his followers" idea you presented that's even worse because that means your damned through NO CHOICE of your own since you couldn't have possibly believed if God didn't choose you without the former chance issue coming into play.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord WE all sin so we all can get forgiven as ong as you seek God. "Every man has sinned and falen short of the glory of God". If you are going to come to christian videos to argue and not listen to what the preachers have to say then don't come if you are just going to cash a religion you don't know about.
TheTannerdh18 8 months ago
@TheTannerdh18 Oh what advice, here's some for you. If you're going to come to a video and comment on a poster that's using intelligence and logic to refute claims then use some back. Your reply had absolutely no logic to it, you claimed being saved changed people and yet completely ignored the massive evils these changed people have done, on top of that you completely ignored the point I made and refused to adress it making your reply, at best, a waste of time.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord If they continue to do those things they obviously werent changed and werent saved. As i said earlier
TheTannerdh18 8 months ago
@TheTannerdh18 Oh how convenient, you've set up an infallible theory that keeps back stepping itself by denying everything that proves it wrong. My point being this whole "you need forgiveness" nonsense just makes God a big bully, he's saying do what I say or I'll burn you... that's not the attitude of a loving and kind being, it's that of a vain and evil monster that wants to burn those who use the skepticism he supposedly gave him, also making him either twitsed or simply incompetent.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@AusDisciple Yes and that is evil. He sacrificed his place in heaven for one lifetime, something to a being that's been around oh what? Forever? Shouldn't mean anything more than the passing of a second to you.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
1Peter 2:15-16
AusDisciple 8 months ago
@AusDisciple Great job avoiding the rebuttal, shows your actual ignorance on the topic.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
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@DarkBunnyLord 2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
AusDisciple 8 months ago
Oh what hope this following verse gives those of us who weep now.....
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
AusDisciple 11 months ago
p.s. nice church. where does your town's homeless sleep? under a bridge? yet you have a million dollar building you use a few times a week. try shutting the pie hole and walk the walk. it should be safe for you to give it all away to those who need it. god will always provide for YOU, right?
guidographics 11 months ago
nice suit. did your parish fund it? if jesus loves everyone, why would he let you wear a $300 suit, and children starve? if you love everyone and a child of christ, dress like a homeless guy and give your suits to the more needy. those who work for a living at minimum wage, as opposed to yourself who steals from the ignorant and scared with threats of fire and brimstone. funny, but the mob works that way and it's illegal. it's called extortion. you just combined it with brainwashing.
guidographics 11 months ago
jesus ressurected + many others = miracle?
More like zombie invasion !!!
Quick get me a shotgun xD
cr4yv3n 11 months ago
Bible tells us jesus was raised along with many others, not to mention all of the other supernatural business that supposedly went on at the time yet some of the story wasn't written down for decades and in some cases centuries.Believe what you want, just don't expect sane rational people to control their laughter when you tell them they need to accept jesus in order to save them from the hell he created so he would have a place to send us when we sin (also his invention!)What a crock of shit!
250garbear 11 months ago
5-1 says this guy molests children
domincfh 1 year ago
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Christ died...these words should break your heart...
but he came back alive, knowing he will came back alive......not much a sacrafice
Shirleyxia74 1 year ago
Christ died...these words should break your heart...
but he came back alive, knowing he will came back alive......not much a sacrafice
Shirleyxia74 1 year ago
Christ died...these words should break your heat...
but he came back alive, knowing he will came back alive......not much a sacrafice
Shirleyxia74 1 year ago
LOL, god damn, the christians do provide a great deal of entertainment. If they weren't so dangerous, they might actually provide a net positive effect on balance; however, the scale of utility tips deeply in the opposite of faith.
Stvfloit 1 year ago
@Stvfloit When things get truly dark for you, call on Jesus and he will lift you out of this pit. He did it for me, the worst of the worst. God is good and He is just. There is a heaven and a hell.
minimary57 11 months ago
Jesus Christ is both God and man,He is The Son of Man,He is The Everlasting Eternal Father and Creator of all things everywhere and if you Truly Repent and Believe you will be Saved !
darizzle7 1 year ago
Sometimes I wonder if life is a bad acid trip....
Misterafyableism 1 year ago
these people have no hope without their martyr and that is their only lifeline away from fear. whatever happened to believing in yourself? are these people too weak to have inner strength?
Requiemxtoxinnocence 1 year ago
@Requiemxtoxinnocence Yes we are too weak to have inner strength. That is why we rely on the "Creator of the Universe" to give us strength.
minimary57 11 months ago
@Requiemxtoxinnocence Yes we are too weak in ourselves; that is why we rely on "the Creator of the Universe" to give us strength.
minimary57 11 months ago
@minimary57 I don't think you know about the will of mankind. Mankind has over come many things throughout history through our own natural ingenuity and inner strength. If we believed in ourselves we would have no need for a god. that's just what i think.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 11 months ago
@Requiemxtoxinnocence Yes, only we people realize it
Domodeath 10 months ago
@Domodeath No martyr can control the power I have within. The belief in self is the strongest belief, the inner strength that delves within us all if we fight on and overcome by our own will. I have hope for myself and would accept oblivion to eternal servitude because at least then I would be free and would not be afraid of what darkness lies ahead. Believe what you will but I disagree wholeheartedly.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 10 months ago
Praise you Lord Jesus thank you so much for your grace given to me. But honestly no words can describe how perfect and wonderful you are!! I love you Lord help to serve you better.
willthethrill9 1 year ago
@HKUARCHANGEL
Than die, it's reality.
barrett50rifle 1 year ago
Then again, God could have just forgiven all of humanity, or even designed us to be perfectly moral all the time, which would have eliminated the need for Jesus' sacrifice. At least I think so; from what I hear, God designs things.
fowlkesbrian 1 year ago
@fowlkesbrian Yes He could have, but then we would be robots, having no free will to love Him. You have a free will to love God, He isn't going to make you love Him.
sgipacket 1 year ago
@sgipacket Apologies for my delayed response. The inherent flaw in the free will arguement is that Adam and Eve were initially created to be subservient. Their independence came through the Tree. If one argues that the Tree was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, then Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong in "The Beginning". If God doesn't want us to be robots, why did He design the first humans ever to be robotic?
fowlkesbrian 8 months ago
Yes, your faith is worthless.
Kaalec 1 year ago
Test.
AmosTheTalented 1 year ago
"Read everything, listen to everybody, don't trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research" -William Morton Cooper
"I'm innocent. I'm looking forward to discovering the divine benefits of the sentence that you give me. If the Government
is trying to ruin my life, they will have to try harder." -Fritz Springmeier at his November 13th 2003 hearing
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Matthew 24:11-13)
Believe and you shall be free.
-Christopher
n0b0dy508 1 year ago
so much saliva wasted on this nonsensical rubbish going in circles. stupid christians. christianity should die.
lefredvoncarstein 1 year ago
The huge gravity of the subject is obvious if its true, but it has never been proven to be. It has been asserted for millennia without evidence, and has intruded on (sometimes ruined) childhoods of people who were taught from birth that these teachings were more important than the happiness of the people themselves. And a ruined childhood precedes a miserable adulthood the vast majority of the time. If these teachings are true, our happiness is worthless. This is the lie being told here.
bheddon 1 year ago 2
@bheddon "if these teaching are true, our happiness is worthless"
Exactly.
rdrministry 1 year ago
this made me want to die, religion is stupid
HKUARCHANGEL 1 year ago
I hope to see Paul Washer on TBN
uncletrumpet 1 year ago
I'm not surprised so many people are thinking 'what the hell?' when they see PW getting hype like this. He's as passionate about the Gospel as preachers should actually be, but of course its not good for business is it?
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
Well then, it sucks that he isn't risen, and possibly never existed, either.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication lol The facts of the Bible are historically solid. Come on man.
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix Uh, no then aren't. They aren't facts, either. Disregarding the stories which are scientifically impossible or contradictory (The creation story, Noah's Ark), we still have several stories that either are contradictory to or unsupported by evidence. For instance, there is absolutely no record of Hebrew or any other form of slaves in Egypt. And then there's the fact that there are NO credible extrabiblical accounts of the mere existence of Jesus.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication I think you should read into the historicy of the Bible. Ok you're right, the miracles etc are contradictory to science, but alot of scripture has evidence (reasonably) to hold it true.
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix Uh, no. The bible is mostly historically false. The things that actually are historically correct were things that were self evident to the authors of the bible, since they were occurring during, or shortly before, the lives of the authors. Therefore, the historicity of the majority of the bible is still null.
And what, exactly, does this have to do with Jesus being or not being risen? As I've already pointed out, there are no credible extrabiblical sources supporting this.
Acorafication 1 year ago
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UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@Acorafication I think what you have said is false and can be proven false. But this isn't an argument for youtube. My belief in scripture isn't its historical stature, its the power of God to convict a former God-hater of His sin through this sacred book! Thats it, I've got nothing more 2 say
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix So, you're claiming that what I say is false, and yet you're running away instead of actually even pointing out what is false about them? Typical.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication I'm not running away. All I'm saying is there is that this discussion is much more suited to a debate, then me writing things on youtube which can easily be misinterpreted. I've seen these creationism vs atheism arguments online and they're much more pointless than any of the real live debates I've seen.
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@Acorafication look, all I know is that I was blind, now I see.
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix That's a very dull and unoriginal response. If you're going to make an argument, please back it up with more then just irrelevant song lyrics.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication Fair enuff. But its true...what do you want me to do, draw you a picture of Jesus Christ? Show you his bones? My faith isn't in external things, its based on external experiences which are real enough to make a new man out of me.
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix Your faith is based on your own personal experiences, which are real enough to you. However, as it is based on personal experiences, you cannot use those to convince others, since they have not experienced what you believe you have.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication True
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
What a depressing human being, and threatening a "knee capping" to non believers!
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
@steveinchelsea seems like you missed the point of the sermon. ;)
QuargosVlog 1 year ago
@steveinchelsea Of course he will come across as depressing people who don't believe (and many ppl who do). He's talking about big realities, do you expect him to be cracking jokes & one-liners? This isn't false teaching, this is how modern preaching should be. The Gospel isn't a joke ting, the issue of sin is more than serious, look at this world...
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix I don't see the point of harranging people. I doubt if anything you do is ever going to please this guy! All; he does is threaten people, and if Christ was God to begin with, and he's very confusing on this point, how can a god "die." It makes no sense, and our suposed sins are due to someone eating an apple!
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
@steveinchelsea I don't think he threathens, I think he warns. The wrath of GOD/the issue of sin are the most serious subjects possible. PW is just doing what the Bible commands a true Christian to do: preach the Gospel warning ppl to repent, bocs the Kingdom of GOD is coming. He's just doing what all the other pastors and preachers you see should actually be doing. He's not crazy, he knows its not exactly a popular message
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix Well I did hear something about a knee capping, which is straight out of The Sopranos. And anyway what are these supposed "sins", and how does one repent. I heard all this stuff as a kid. It doesn't help anybody. We try to live the best we can on this planet during our lifetimeand hopefuly to leave it a little better when we leave it. In any case that's my philosophy. You and the god reverend are entitled to yours but don't impose it on me!
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
@steveinchelsea Fair enough man
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
How can a "god" or a son of "god" die? And if it's pre-ordained that he's going to come back to life what is the point of all this?
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
@steveinchelsea it's called non-sense,...it's nothing more than mythology lol
Atheist603 1 year ago
@Atheist603 I know it :you know it. I hope the evolutionary process eventually makes people rely on their rationality and give up fairy tales!
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
I can't tell if this guy is Irish or American, but he looks MORBIDLY unhappy. I don't mean to be flippant, but I've never understood why something called "faith" makes so many people look like they're the ones carrying the cross.
bheddon 1 year ago
@bheddon Because what he's saying has eternal implications, and he believes it with all his heart...listen to what he's saying, its not GOD Channel, entertainment 'Christianity'
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
@UnrealHelix Considering what he's talking about here, I would think that it's eternal implications would be pretty exciting. I would think this belief would make more people happy, as opposed to telling people that their "kneecaps will be broken." This guy is scaring people, some of whom are undoubtedly children. And for the extreme lack of evidence to back up his claims, I don't think its moral.
bheddon 1 year ago
@bheddon This belief should make people happy. The only reason he's talking this way, is because of the gravity of the subject which if true (it is), has amazing implications for mankind. I see why ppl feel this way about Paul Washer's preaching. He speaks the way I would if I was called to preach - direct, explicit, full of passion, and belief in God. He's preaching the Gospel which all the fake tv preachers should be preaching but can't cos they don't know God, that's why it sounds so harsh.
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
drugs are bad cults are to tick tick clock drink up the red poison
hateummall 1 year ago
So, your faith is worthless. Finally you admit it.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
Just another religious nutjob.
tjtheplay 1 year ago
Atonement - what is more probable? A demigod (Christ) died on the cross to appease himself as a substitute for our misdeeds, OR the tale is but an updated rendition of the Jewish tradition of Yom Kippur. A n ancient ceremony where the sins of the faithful were magically cast upon a goat that was then set free to die in the wilderness taking all sins with it. Connect the dots my friend. Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1 The "scapegoat" is another sign of the Messiah's sacrificing himself to, not appease himself but to pay for the guilty. We do put people in prison to appease the police or judge, but the laws of right and wrong.
Jesus of Nazareth is brought before Pilate and so is Jesus Barrabas, a criminal.
The guilt of all standing there is placed on the head of the innocent one and the guilty one set free. Now, that's prophecy for you.
PilgramSOS 1 year ago
@PilgramSOS Greetings Pilgrim - I suggest criminals are removed from society to protect the public rather then appease a judge. Prophecy? Ask an educated Jew what he thinks of Christian prophecy, he will likely chuckle. You seem to have missed my point, i.e., unless you believe misdeeds can be expunged from the masses by a bizarre religious ceremony involving a goat. God's chosen people insisted it was so. Could they have been mistaken? Perhaps an example of spurious belief? Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1 My name is spelled Pligram. Yes, You are right about the criminal system. Thanks. Because most "educated jews" chuckle is what has always gotten them into trouble. What's new?. Not spurious belief.
But I disagree with the prophecy statement. Jewish and Gentile Christians alike who read the entire Bible, come to the same conclusions in regards to the prophecies in scripture. I found the most wonderful things and later discovered that I was not the only one. Regards to you, too.
PilgramSOS 1 year ago
@PilgramSOS - I apologize for the name error, Pilgram is shown at the left?
I seem to fail to make my point. I try again: What do you make of yom kippur?
I also suggest the Bible has passages most offensive: Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. I know no "Christians" that comply, or even attempt to. A bizarre mandate perhaps?
Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1 I asked my Pastor about that and wanted to know what the "greek" said.
He told me it is "hate" and that the Jews that Jesus was addressing would probably be ostracized from there families. It was not so much that you hate them, but that you love Him that much. His apostles dropped their nets and walked out on their fathers for example. Our eternal soul is vastly more important than our physical life which is short. Jesus said to deny yourself and follow Him. He gave up Heaven.
PilgramSOS 1 year ago
@PilgramSOS Interesting exchange. YHWH and Christianity have a history, as does the bible. Have you ever wondered who worte it and who decided what was to be included/excluded? The first half of Robert Wright's "Evolution of God" is very good, you will discover much about the ancient Hebrew and their YHWH / EL. Other Religious historians - Borg, Spong, Geering, Pagels, Armstrong all recognized for their scholarship...some can be found on youtube. Good luck!
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1 I like the ancient stuff too. But God did not evolve. If you only read things that try to explain away you create doubt. Same for me. I promise, I am aware that men make up gods. The bible tells us this. But men can not have written what's in it and conspired together. 40+ writers over 1500 yrs. Nor could they have known things of the universe we are just discovering. It was written to children and we are told be like children and trust me. All men are born w/ a sense of eternity.
PilgramSOS 1 year ago
@PilgramSOS I do not assert GOD evolved, rather the concept of GOD does. Yes, man worshipped thousands of "GODs" over countless generations, all products of imagination except the one of the bronze age Hebrew? ( Again, their YHWH has a history) . Sorry , but the cosmology presented in Genesis is laughable. The Earth did NOT precede the Sun, nor is our home world surrounded by a sphere of water. Sorry, the ancient Hebrew could not pass a Jr. High Earth and Space science quiz. Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1 That's right it did not. Its says the "the heavens and the earth. And the earth was void(not there)and w/out form. But those people back then new more than the average person today. They could read the skies. But look at an online Bible and search the word "waters" to see how scripture defines it. Notice the Spirit was over the waters and stars had not formed yet? Jesus offers the woman at the well living water. John describes what looks like flowing water come from the throne Rev.
PilgramSOS 1 year ago
@PilgramSOS My friend, You have yet to answer the question of Yom Kippur?Tthe ancient Hebrew was largely illiterate and believed in magic. Virtually no schools, books, libraries,no science or internet etc.. Yet you assert they knew more then the average person today because they "read" the stars? OH MY! Yes they did, that is called astrology, (all crap).
Read Genesis - The sun WAS created AFTER the Earth. This is an example of ancient Hebrew folklore, 4th. graders know better. Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
@1Skeptik1 Okay. Yom Kippur. The High Holy Days are for "rehearsals". The Tabernacle was constructed after the "model" that God showed Moses. Model of what? Heaven. On that first Yom Kippur(Lev16) AAron is told to take @ goat to the entrance of the Tabernacle and presented before the Lord. He is in his priestly garments and has washed himself clean. He offers a blood sacrifice for himself and then lots are cast for the goats. The one that falls to God is killed for the sins of of all the people.