When you use the masks as an example, you are using the principle of "You are just as bad as them". However two wrongs don't make a right, so I can't accept that argument. There can be a million masked thugs but the Burqa is still an instrument of opression. Finally, if a woman is told she goes to hell if she does not wear it, then its coercion. All women who wear this agoraphobia-inducing instrument of torture are in effect coerced, even though most don't realise it and the method is subtle
What's next on the right-wing ass kissing law books in France;
Let's now arrest KISS imitators and clowns on the streets and in the circus.
+ helmet wearing hockey players.
Actually there should be a new European-continental wide law that neo-nazi, EDL, BNP +other right-wing thug-goons MUST wear masks so that free-societies need not to see their 24/7 ugly/groaning/moaning 24/7 pissy-looking toad-faces.
I think France rushed into Libya maybe to offset backfire from their burqa ban.
Anonymous was protesting in a structured fashion; the Muslims weren't. People, especially young men, casually (not as part of a protest) walking around hiding their faces behind cloth or masks, would rightly make people feel unsafe. Like a protest, a Halloween party and a Slipnot concert are structured, (mask-specific) special events. If the EDL are peacefully protesting, they should be allowed masks, too. When entering stores, schools, government buildings, etc, you shouldn't be allowed a mask.
I suppose there are all manner of grey areas. Should they be required to have full-face photos on driver's licenses, Passports and other ID's? Show their faces when pulled over for traffic violations? For ID confirmation when cashing checks or withdrawing money from banks? When taking exams in college? When applying for a job? When taking exams for professional certification? There are times when a positive ID is important, but these times would not threaten Anonymous' activities.
i just think thay shuld not wear it in banks and gaverment buildings just like i wuld not wont any of the guys you show to be in a bank or gaverment buuilding your face dhuld be visabel when entering a place wear ther is alot of curincy
@Philosification Thats not thge question imasking though. People are not banned from wearing criosses in the street and they wont be fined for wearing a cross in the street
Now we say about anonymous hiding their faces. They do that however so they may protest in safety and not fear a fair game reprisal. Most muslims who wear the veil in my opinion are being forced or brainwashed into wearing it. yes it is their choice but more than likely the choice has been made for them by their upbringing.
@Coughlan000 its not true but from my point of view irrelevant as it may be i think that its terrible that the most beautiful creatures on the earth women are grown up to believe they should hide their beauty from the world. Im not saying they cant wear it but people need to understand that a lot of the time its probably not their own choice excluding converts perhaps.
@Coughlan000 Yes, it's none of your/my/our business if a dickwad locks his wife inside a tent and forbids her from ever getting out. It's none of our business, but her rights as a human being are still ignored. So now the question is, do we care about it? And if the answer is yes, do we do something about it? and if we do something about it, what do we do?
Yes, it's none of our business, but sometimes it's worth making it your business.
@StrikaAmaru Did you even watch the video? The issue of people being forced against their will is already covered under abuse laws and I stated that i support it.
Coughlan I love your videos but sometimes you seem to get very worked up and your voice starts to crack. During these videos I have the overwhelming urge to just give you a cuddle and tell you it will all be OK.
who fucking cares? nobody listens to slipknot anyway. i'd trade slipknot, masquarade parties and the whole 9 yards just to see europe free of those fucking trash bags.
I'm kinda surprised at the French. Not the government, Sarkozy's been wingnut since the beginning, but the people. Usually they just ignore inconvenient laws - I was in France the day their public smoking ban came into effect, I saw gendarmes lighting up in cafes along with everyone else. Seems weird to do a complete volte-face over a glorified balaclava. <_<
@Idsmashit22 Oh wait, sorry, EDL. Scratch all that, you won't get a word of it. I'd communicate in a language you understood, but I'm afraid it's difficult to put grunting and glassing people in the face into text.
@Idsmashit22 Yes, let's ban an item of clothing that a lot of people feel comfortable, safe and happy wearing and then close down their places of worship in order to... what? Just twist the knife? THAT'LL win the disillusioned elements over! Banning anything, no matter what, should be taken extremely seriously - in a liberal democracy, you don't need a reason to make something legal, you need a damn good reason to make it illegal, and this law doesn't have grounds.
"... in a liberal democracy, you don't need a reason to make something legal, you need a damn good reason to make it illegal, and this law doesn't have grounds." - TheManWhoFeIIToEarth
The muslim women who wore veils should just all start wearing bike helmets. that will do the same job and make another thing that they have to ban, ha.
The thing about those burka-bans is that they claim to be FOR the women, to FREE the women, but they are actually putting the pressure and the blame on the women again who are very likely to be under severe pressure already. They are not going after male fashions that are asociated with radical islam, of course, but 2000 women are a soft target unlikely to put up much resistance.
In Denmark it has for years been illegal to cover your face during demonstrations. And since it's up to the police to decide if they think that you are on the way to a demonstration or robbing a bank it is practically ALWAYS illegal to hide your face. But for some strange reason this has never been used against any muslim women covered from head to toe. So I don't know if they will take it to any further level. Apparently there aren't much consistency to this...
I would hope this law would be slightly moderated to the point where the police would ask the people first to remove it and if they refused then they could be fined but not arrested. Plus I would hope it would only come into affect if the person entered a government building or private property where the owner expressed their desire that all people on the premises have to have their faces visible.
No facial coverings in public at all, I could agree to that. Halloween is ok, medical conditions are ok, and covering severe physical disfigurements would be ok as well. That means no burqa's, no kkk masks, no anno mask etc. I would be perfectly fine with that.
From what I have heard the ban only includes the ones where all you can see are the eyes. The one that just covers the head or the one that just covers the nose/mouth isn't illegal (yet). Don't know how true it is, just from what I heard people talking about.
The title of your video says it all. It will come to pass. And the whole Idea is "show your face" or else... Now is "they" tomorrow it'll be everyone.
How's the story of that guy:
"When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist"... "When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat"...
Etc, etc...
If it applies to others, = it applies to you... =)
for Anonymous protests, slipknot concerts etc they only really cover their faces during these respective events, if Muslim women CHOOSE to where the veil during prayers at mosque's then that's OK.
Though in public places such as supermarkets all of these face coverings should be as acceptable as a balaclava (i.e. not very).
Wondering, during the winter I like to wear a scarf wrap it around my head and place the right part of the scarf over my mouth an nose to keep warm. Would I be arrested for simply trying to keep warm?
I think a lot of muslim women feel more comfortable when people look at their eyes instead of their boobs or ass. Wich is very understandable. Bullshit law is bullshit.
I think it falls under the heading of freedom of expression. If wearing this stuff is your own decision, than no one should have the right to tell you otherwise. Now someone is going to say something like "what if they commit a crime? No one can tell who they are"...ok,... If you are so burdened by your beliefs that you would wear that crap, I doubt you'd commit many crimes. Remember, these are women. They have fewer rights religiously speaking than anyone. They'd likely be too scared.
I don't know, face veil can hid your identity. It's hard to id someone in crime with it on. Doesn't matter if its religious. If Anons want to protest they have to get permission to and get permission to wear the mask (at least in some areas I don't know about laws in other areas of the world or the UK).
If they want to wear the face veil, do it at home or get permission to wear it at your work/school wear they can ID you in some way.
The thing about the french law is that it is suppose to be combating the daily use of the burka as a tool of oppression. V masks and ski masks won't be banned because they don't hinder people's interactions on a daily basis
NO SCARF IN WINTER FOR YOU! and no halloween :( here where I am, all burka clad women show their face at motor vehicles with no problem, cause they want to drive. Additionally you gotta take off sunglasses and hats etc when going into a bank. what's the problem France? Is all this too much work for the individual?
I remember when they tried passing "Ban the Burqah" bills in Florida, after a woman was arrested for not showing her face for a driver license photo. It went a little far on that one (we should show our faces on driver licenses, because that's what our main I.D. is here), but I'd say maybe go as far as to refuse a license to someone who won't show their face for a photo... this is going WAY too far. I don't agree with Islam, but freedom is every bit as important as faith to me.
I've been out in public on halloween wearing a mask but I wouldn't dare nor think about going into any store or place of business with it on, thats just common sense and respect, too bad not everyone can get that and use their own self descression.
I don't have too much of an issue with them being masked out on the street, it's when you start getting into places like banks and government buildings. Hell as a store owner, I'd get very nervous if I saw anyone walking into my shop with any sort of mask on.
Out of that list, Muslims are the only group that are known to blow the fuck out of people. So if a cunt is acting suspicious it would be nice to be able to pick her bearded face in a line up.
I agree that the EDL shouldn't have the right to wear masks if they are part of a known terrorist group (not necessarily bomb related terrorism).
No slipknot fan has even blown someone up wearing it.
People should be allowed to wear it or NOT wear it. It is about choice... even though the Muslim faith is very archaic and even primitive in todays society, we need to be the ones to say "they have a choice". Although I do share Coughlans worries about the law being extended because I love slipknot! :P
This law is specifically targeted at muslims and muslim culture.
There can be grandiloquent speeches on how identities shouldn't be concealed in public, how crimes can be prevented by this law, how this makes us safer in the streets... Let's not fool ourselves.
The criminal that intends to commit a crime won't abide by this law anyways.
How about banning skirts and making pants mandatory for all women? Will this help prevent rape?
How about banning dark clothes? Will this help prevent accidents?
I don't mind the face covering, but every time i walk into college with a hood up (yes i wear it up. i find it comfortable), i get told to take it down. Thats fair enough, but the woman behind me with all of her FACE covered gets to keep covered? I don't mind, i just wish people would either apply rules like this to all face covering or not apply them at all. (and no, hoods dont cover my face).
It's interesting that the two EDL guys manage to come across as rather a lot more intimidating than the four cenobites. (Mind you, without their powers, cenobites are rather pathetic, what with all the muscle damage and restrictive clothing.)
@MarciMK79 I can agree with that, but out in public? Big difference. I am all for not wearing the burka in certain lines of work, food chains, hospitals, etc... I am under the impression however the law is about women wearing their face covered out in public, on the streets, in their cars kinda thing. Banning it in all work positions would be horrible, especially if you had a religious job...
well, Muslim women could wear crash helmets with like polorised visors. They could become a new western denomination... Stig Muslim. Then everyone is happy.
There is no white and dark on this matter, if somebody feels like dressing up for a party or something with a mask I would have no problem with it
But if somebody would walk into a bank or a store with a mask or something covering his/her face hell yeah I would have a problem with it since it could lead to misunderstandings and even panics
Even bikers here are required to take off their helmets (or open them at least) when they walk in a gas station
@RazielKain I cant recall hearing of someone wearing the niqab, ever trying to commit armed robbery, yet on many occaisions armed robbers have wore crash helmets. when muslim women start holding up banks and places, that would be the time to ban it.
@jancrowb I don't recall any armed robberies in niqab or whatever either but it doesn't matter
If I were to walk in a bank with a cold weather mask which covers even less around the eyes than a niqab and they would probably call the police or ban me from the bank
Giving people a special right to break store policies or laws is not right
like you say, how far will this go? will they next ban kids from facepainting, or wearing masks on halloween, or will they ban face tattoos? you could understand if muslim women went around mugging, or robbing banks, but its very rare that the niqab causes trouble to anyone or harms anyone. its the right wing element in france being appeased. everyone should be free to do whatever, as long as its not harming anyone else.the majority of muslim women in the west that wear the niqab, choose to.
It's prejudice against superheroes imo. I know my friendly neighborhood spider-man wouldn't appreciate this sort of treatment. Seriously though, it is a law without practical basis. The only thing you could ever really hope to gain from that is to punish people from doing something that causes absolutely no harm at all. You can bitch about it belittling women all you want to wear a ninja costume, but in the end they choose to put it on.
Totally agree. I dislike how people think that it's their decision to decide what another person ought to wear. It's their own decision, and only around 2,000 women apparently wear the thing in France.
There are certain places in public that you should have to show your face if demanded (or leave), like a bank. I also don't think you should wear a facial veil while driving (because of peripheral vision problems) unless the mask is only from the nose down. If I go into a bank with a ski-mask on, I will be asked to leave or thrown in prison, if I can't, they can't. I also think they should have to have photo drivers licenses. If your religions bans you from pictures, it bans you from driving.
I thought the women were temporarily detained for attending an "unauthorized" protest... which is fucked up in its own right.
And what makes me think they won't extend it? Because everyone knows this was specifically meant to target Muslims and they have no intention of enforcing this bs on nice Western European citizens.
@ootdega So you are saying that using your real name online puts you at more danger than walking around in public? How is a woman wanting to hide herself to protect herself any different than you using a fictious name to hide yourself? It sounds like you are fine with taking personal choice away from muslim women, but want to that personal choice for yourself.
No, because if you can't use a fictious username online, people will know your name. People don't know your name just by looking at you. And on the Internet, names can be very dangerous.
Besides, most Muslim women aren't necessarily wearing it by choice. As Coughlan said, only about 3,000 Muslims actually wear the veil. That's barely a percievable percentage.
@ootdega Like you cannot be identified from your username online? Like your FACE is not really good information to use to identify someone? Are you technologically unskilled, or have you never been around people that identify others for a living?
You assert these women aren't wearing it by choice, so that somehow gives you the right take away any choice that they do have? So for religious reasons, you are advocating that society shit on that minority because they don't matter.
There's a vast difference between a trained professional identifying you, and absolutely anyone identifying you. Don't be an idiot.
Dude, I seriously think you have bigger fish to fry. That's my only point. Well, besides that your analogy is flawed, due to different circumstances and resources.
@ootdega I guess you never paid someone to find someone else for you. But then again at only 20, I don't expect to you have spent much time in the real world yet.
The fish that need frying is YOU. You want to take away personal choice from some group that you are not part of and justify it using your own personal paranoia. If they don't get the right to express their believes why should you have the right to express yours?
You apparently don't see the difference between some butthurt Internet tough guy finding your name with two clicks of a mouse and someone having to hunt down Mr. Nameless and pay him to find that person. My age is irrelevant and a strawman.
No, I DON'T want to take that away from anyone. What the hell gave you that idea? I'm not the one that took it away. I'm saying the victims of it aren't substantial enough to outweigh other problems in the same area, with the same victims.
@ootdega Your age and experience ARE relevent to your understanding of how cheap it is to locate somebody from a username versus them being right in front of you.
So yes you are saying the victims aren't worfh enough to matter. You are just as bad as those people you imagine force these women to where burkas. You just want to force them not to.
Either way you are just talking about taking away their freedom of speech rights. Try that law in the US, it won't even make it to a vote.
Now your argument is backwards. Nice. Wow. You are so dense. Your skull is so thick it could probably take a .308.
I'm saying this issue isn't big enough to waste your energy on when there are bigger problems, with the SAME VICTIMS. Try something with more impact, get better results. DURR.
@ootdega I guess that means you ran out of arguments.
You just keep asserting that they don't matter. By extension that means that YOU don't matter either.
I think the women that want to wear a burka should have the right too. If some christian wants the right to express their faith in public, the muslim women should have the same right. Mighty white of you to endorse restrictions on others that won't affect you.
I take that back. I'm sure your skull could take a 20mm just fine. You are some piece of work. You just keep repeating yourself, acting the hero, ignoring everything I say, completely oblivious to the fact that I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE FUCKING SAYING.
THIS ISSUE doesn't matter. There are bigger ones, that involve the SAME PEOPLE. If you want to help them, FIGHT A BIGGER PROBLEM. Not a problem that affects a tenth of a percentage of people in a SINGLE FUCKING COUNTRY.
@ootdega So now you are saying that YOU should be the one to decide what's best for these women.
Haven't you figured out that little ugly things have a tendancy to grow into big ugly things.
So you have delusions of grandure that you should spend your time on more important things. OK, so why are you continually responding? We are talking about burka laws.
Sweet mother of Kratos. See? Just repeating yourself. Completely ignoring me. It's like you have every response on queue. You're not even making sense.
I'm talking to YOU. How about you worry about, oh, I dunno, Islamophobia, or discrimination? THIS PROBLEM IS SMALL, MISTER HERO.
If you can't get it through your fucking head that I'm not your damn enemy, I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you. Doesn't matter how much I explain, you're too stupid to comprehend it.
@ootdega Why do you want so desperately to change the subject?
I don't see a problem with islamophobia or discrimination except when it's being enacted into LAW. As this case is.
So your whole argument boils down to I'm dumb, and you have all the answers. OK, mister ad hom, explain how your world without islamophobia or discrimination works when you allow the thing you seem to be against to exist because it's not important enough to get rid of.
Yeah, I'm not getting through to you at all. You're a one-trick pony. A broken record. You just don't get it. You ignore me, make shit up and put words in my mouth.
It's a shame. We're on the same fucking side, you're just too dense and narcissistic to see past your own damn ego. Go bother someone else. Preferably someone as dense as you.
@ootdega More ad hom's. You really feel butt hurt that you are incapable of making a cogent argument.
So when I listen to you are respond with I see as the implications of what you are saying, I am putting words in your mouth. So you really don't want a conversation, you want someone to agree with you.
Why should I go bother someone else when I have a person like you? The more you respond the more you make your position look worse. Got any more fallicies to send my way?
Oh, I can make a cogent argument. I've made plenty. You either ignore them or twist them to something convenient for you. You don't get that I AGREE with you, though I've said it three times now.
Wow. You just described yourself. Thing is, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. You're trying to salvage your ego.
I haven't said a single "fallacy" in this entire "argument." The only fallacies here were ones you made up and put in my mouth. You don't even make any fucking sense.
So you agree banning burka's is the same thing as requiring people to use real names on YouTube, the muslim women do matter, and this is a big enough issue to warrent my time. Why can't you just say you where wrong.
It's beginning to look like this is about YOUR ego. Your insults don't help your position they just make you look kookier. Have you got any more insults? Please express more.
Ha, ha, no. Everything you've said has applied to yourself, and only yourself. You fail to realize that because you continue to fail to understand everything I said.
@ootdega The chances of my understanding of you, having any benefit to me is pretty far down on the list of my priorities. The benefit of this exchange to me was to have someone try to use the typical counter argument to my position, and then step on their own dick. Just like you did.
If you understood what I said, you'd know that it was you that tripped, not me. Now you're transposing roles and talking out your ass for the "last word" award.
@ootdega Now it's an "I shot you first" fight. How many more childish arguments are you going to make while we play the YouTube game? This is great, all I got to do is throw a gig at you and you flare up and overreact. So I get to point out more "strangenesses" in your argument that make you look worse. And all I got to do is type a response message.
When I was a kid I would never have thought how much fun it is to irritate the kiddies :-)
@ootdega So that's what you wish to win. You get in an argument with someone that you agree with, and when your arguments get shown for what they are, you claim your opponent is stupid and wrong, and cannot understand you. So you agree with your opponent but your opponent is wrong. Don't you think there is a little "mental" in your argument.
Here you go again. I told you, I was never "arguing." You were the one that turned it into an argument. And with those last three sentences, you've just demonstrated your lack of mental capacity. I agree with your stance on this issue. Somehow you think that justifies your complete and deliberate misinterpretation of everything I said to make yourself look better.
I've already answered everything you're saying. The fact that you can't understand is not a win for you.
@ootdega So you where making counter arguments to your own position, WHY? Did you want them to be slapped down? If that where truely the case, you would not have gone off your long line of insults. It still sounds like you know you got beat and now want to revise history to say you where on the other side.
So little kiddie picked a fight, got his ass kicked and now claims he was mistreated. Maybe you should run home to mommy.
XD Oh, man. You are so clueless. Wow. I don't even know where to begin with that one. Now you're even confusing what YOU'VE said. I'm beginning to pity you. You just...lack all comprehension. That's all there is to it. I know the word! Senile!
Man. I just....wow. I can't refute your "arguments" if they don't make any fucking sense! You're refuting yourself as you go along anyway, so why bother? Your arrogance and narcissism are getting WAY ahead of you.
@ootdega If you're going to have a fight over youtube with comments, at least be a bit respectful and not have a consistent framework of sentences that are just ad hominems. Lol
The hell am I supposed to say anymore? XD I've already explained everything he's saying. He just doesn't get it. And it just keeps getting worse. I tried to be respectful, he blew everything I said out of proportion and started putting words in my mouth and making shit up to try to play hero, when I clearly told him I agreed with him, right from the start! I tried explaining myself, and he ignored me. Not much more I can do anymore. He's just a lost cause.
@ootdega Yeah just ignore the people that don't know how to read. You can make a point and they totally ignore it, even though it is fact. Like their thought process isn't moving along very well...It's pretty sad, I guess you are right, at some point, you have to call them a dumbass and just ignore them Lol.
I just recently got banned from the atheistexperience chat room on their ustream for swearing and stating my opinion...People are assholes, and that's why you say "FUCK YOU" to them :)
@ootdega So I guess you never got to collage and took a class on logic.
You agree with my position, but you can't refute it because it makes no sense, so you must be saying that the position you agree with makes no sense. So are you trying to make yourself look mental?
It would seem I don't WANT to understand you twisted logic.
Sure thing buddy. That's why I graduated honors with a GED and HSE, after dropping out of 9th grade. That's why I have a 150 IQ. That's why I have awards from every academic place I've ever been to.
@ootdega So what, some of the dumbest people on the earth are professors. If you where so smart you would know what an ad hom was and why it is such a bad tactic to use to justify your point.
So besides being young and dumb you are fat. Have you got any news on your questionable ancestory?
@ootdega So first you didn't use them and then you didn't use one till.
So where did I imply you where wrong becuase you where fat? At this point the argument is over, you lost, all we have now is insults. You insult me, I insult you, You already conceded I was right.
Never said I didn't use them. I thought you said I didn't know what one was? Make up your mind.
Wow. You're just running in circles now. Mixing your delusions with your false assumptions and wrapping it in your lack of comprehension. How about actually reading what I said and using that instead? You know, like a knowledgable and experienced person would do.
@ootdega So your words where "I haven't said a single "fallacy" in this entire "argument." So you changed your position on using them. And at the same time you admitted it was an argument. Are you just too stupid to read what you wrote earlier?
@ootdega It's about just as dumb as mexicans thinking that americans are dumb for not knowing spanish. I know it's irrelevant, but my god that pisses me off. This is the US we speak English, who the hell says or thinks that we should know spanish...
And the age thing, yeah, old people tend to think that their age makes them superior in knowledge. My fathers old, and he can be dumb as hell.
@ootdega But there's one BIG difference. I have seen it from both a young and old perspective, you on the other hand have not seen it from the other side yet.
Lol. I've got more knowledge and experience than anyone three times my age. Including you. Once again, measuring my life experience by my age is very stupid.
What's sad is this started as a friendly correction to something you said.
The French will be fucked up by the All Blacks next weekend !
spykerhond 4 months ago
I agree with you, people have the right to were everything they want
ThePeacefulAtheistt 8 months ago
When you use the masks as an example, you are using the principle of "You are just as bad as them". However two wrongs don't make a right, so I can't accept that argument. There can be a million masked thugs but the Burqa is still an instrument of opression. Finally, if a woman is told she goes to hell if she does not wear it, then its coercion. All women who wear this agoraphobia-inducing instrument of torture are in effect coerced, even though most don't realise it and the method is subtle
NoFaithNoPain 10 months ago
Exactly;
What's next on the right-wing ass kissing law books in France;
Let's now arrest KISS imitators and clowns on the streets and in the circus.
+ helmet wearing hockey players.
Actually there should be a new European-continental wide law that neo-nazi, EDL, BNP +other right-wing thug-goons MUST wear masks so that free-societies need not to see their 24/7 ugly/groaning/moaning 24/7 pissy-looking toad-faces.
I think France rushed into Libya maybe to offset backfire from their burqa ban.
slizzler1 10 months ago
I think that really, the ban on face veils is about muslims and they only worded it like it's about all face coverings to appease the left.
CMO999 10 months ago
Anonymous was protesting in a structured fashion; the Muslims weren't. People, especially young men, casually (not as part of a protest) walking around hiding their faces behind cloth or masks, would rightly make people feel unsafe. Like a protest, a Halloween party and a Slipnot concert are structured, (mask-specific) special events. If the EDL are peacefully protesting, they should be allowed masks, too. When entering stores, schools, government buildings, etc, you shouldn't be allowed a mask.
TheLonelyImmortal 10 months ago
Will they extend it if there is a SARS outbreak? Yeah.......no safety there without a facial mask.
panecitaxbeso 10 months ago
I thought this was another Brett Keane vid.... hahaha.
XeliosX 10 months ago
I suppose there are all manner of grey areas. Should they be required to have full-face photos on driver's licenses, Passports and other ID's? Show their faces when pulled over for traffic violations? For ID confirmation when cashing checks or withdrawing money from banks? When taking exams in college? When applying for a job? When taking exams for professional certification? There are times when a positive ID is important, but these times would not threaten Anonymous' activities.
curlew0609 10 months ago
i just think thay shuld not wear it in banks and gaverment buildings just like i wuld not wont any of the guys you show to be in a bank or gaverment buuilding your face dhuld be visabel when entering a place wear ther is alot of curincy
leejames929 10 months ago
This same law says people can't wear crosses around their necks too, its not specifically anti-muslim.
Philosification 10 months ago
@Philosification Thats not thge question imasking though. People are not banned from wearing criosses in the street and they wont be fined for wearing a cross in the street
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 Wow dude, Tom Robinson beated his wife? HAHA, and Richard Price is a pedo, you are amazing.
GrandMufti1897 6 months ago
Don't forget this would be unfair to Mexican and Japanese masked pro-wrestlers!
hgryphon 10 months ago
Now we say about anonymous hiding their faces. They do that however so they may protest in safety and not fear a fair game reprisal. Most muslims who wear the veil in my opinion are being forced or brainwashed into wearing it. yes it is their choice but more than likely the choice has been made for them by their upbringing.
deepskanker 10 months ago
@deepskanker so what? its none of your business why they wear it.
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 its not true but from my point of view irrelevant as it may be i think that its terrible that the most beautiful creatures on the earth women are grown up to believe they should hide their beauty from the world. Im not saying they cant wear it but people need to understand that a lot of the time its probably not their own choice excluding converts perhaps.
deepskanker 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 Yes, it's none of your/my/our business if a dickwad locks his wife inside a tent and forbids her from ever getting out. It's none of our business, but her rights as a human being are still ignored. So now the question is, do we care about it? And if the answer is yes, do we do something about it? and if we do something about it, what do we do?
Yes, it's none of our business, but sometimes it's worth making it your business.
StrikaAmaru 10 months ago
@StrikaAmaru Did you even watch the video? The issue of people being forced against their will is already covered under abuse laws and I stated that i support it.
Coughlan000 10 months ago
I do totally agree with you , but everybody knows that there is something else behing that law !! =))
inevergiveup1402 10 months ago
Agree with everything in the video, I can't believe I didn't subscribe to you years ago. :)
TalkingWigHead 10 months ago
i dont see a problem with wearing the burka !!! if you rob a bank or blow up something ,no one will know who you are !!!!
salmans1butt 10 months ago
Coughlan I love your videos but sometimes you seem to get very worked up and your voice starts to crack. During these videos I have the overwhelming urge to just give you a cuddle and tell you it will all be OK.
GravDuck 10 months ago
@GravDuck hello
salmans1butt 10 months ago
@salmans1butt
Hello?
GravDuck 10 months ago
I actually support the ban as long as slipknot gets arrested
TheGreatOldOnes 10 months ago
"It's -40*C outside. I think I'll put a scarf over my face."
*walks outside*
*Gets surrounded by police cars and is arrested, stripped of the scarf, taken to the police station, fined, and released*
Kargoneth 10 months ago
Dude, it's called niqaab, not knee cap.
MetalHeart678 10 months ago
only 2,000 out of 5 million? That seems too low...
hellomoto170 10 months ago
who fucking cares? nobody listens to slipknot anyway. i'd trade slipknot, masquarade parties and the whole 9 yards just to see europe free of those fucking trash bags.
thunderscratch66 10 months ago
What about French ninjas? Do they fall under the jurisdiction of the burka ban?
djb12030 10 months ago
I'm kinda surprised at the French. Not the government, Sarkozy's been wingnut since the beginning, but the people. Usually they just ignore inconvenient laws - I was in France the day their public smoking ban came into effect, I saw gendarmes lighting up in cafes along with everyone else. Seems weird to do a complete volte-face over a glorified balaclava. <_<
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
@Idsmashit22 Oh wait, sorry, EDL. Scratch all that, you won't get a word of it. I'd communicate in a language you understood, but I'm afraid it's difficult to put grunting and glassing people in the face into text.
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
@Idsmashit22 Yes, let's ban an item of clothing that a lot of people feel comfortable, safe and happy wearing and then close down their places of worship in order to... what? Just twist the knife? THAT'LL win the disillusioned elements over! Banning anything, no matter what, should be taken extremely seriously - in a liberal democracy, you don't need a reason to make something legal, you need a damn good reason to make it illegal, and this law doesn't have grounds.
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
"... in a liberal democracy, you don't need a reason to make something legal, you need a damn good reason to make it illegal, and this law doesn't have grounds." - TheManWhoFeIIToEarth
Very good point.
Kargoneth 10 months ago
Protesters where I live can't cover their face to the point of being unrecognizable or it is breaking law
IronThrasher 10 months ago
If they want to ban religious clothing are nuns' habits safe?
jcgadfly 10 months ago
God people are stupid.
SomethingSea1 10 months ago
@SomethingSea1 No shit.
FancyPocketWatch 10 months ago
The muslim women who wore veils should just all start wearing bike helmets. that will do the same job and make another thing that they have to ban, ha.
ScottTheAtheist 10 months ago
@ScottTheAtheist
Bike helmets! Excellent point!
Kargoneth 10 months ago
agreed, this is ridiculous, I can't believe it was passed to begin with..
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JamesEzSecretChannel 10 months ago
ok, i just changed opinion
rapzeh4 10 months ago
burka-ban is stupid.
KitaroED 10 months ago
The thing about those burka-bans is that they claim to be FOR the women, to FREE the women, but they are actually putting the pressure and the blame on the women again who are very likely to be under severe pressure already. They are not going after male fashions that are asociated with radical islam, of course, but 2000 women are a soft target unlikely to put up much resistance.
Misogynist, racist assholes.
giliellthesecond 10 months ago
\m/
smashbeans 10 months ago
In Denmark it has for years been illegal to cover your face during demonstrations. And since it's up to the police to decide if they think that you are on the way to a demonstration or robbing a bank it is practically ALWAYS illegal to hide your face. But for some strange reason this has never been used against any muslim women covered from head to toe. So I don't know if they will take it to any further level. Apparently there aren't much consistency to this...
DinMorsPimp 10 months ago
I would hope this law would be slightly moderated to the point where the police would ask the people first to remove it and if they refused then they could be fined but not arrested. Plus I would hope it would only come into affect if the person entered a government building or private property where the owner expressed their desire that all people on the premises have to have their faces visible.
pestr999 10 months ago
@pestr999 That sounds reasonable.
mikerules999 10 months ago
No facial coverings in public at all, I could agree to that. Halloween is ok, medical conditions are ok, and covering severe physical disfigurements would be ok as well. That means no burqa's, no kkk masks, no anno mask etc. I would be perfectly fine with that.
youngn420 10 months ago
From what I have heard the ban only includes the ones where all you can see are the eyes. The one that just covers the head or the one that just covers the nose/mouth isn't illegal (yet). Don't know how true it is, just from what I heard people talking about.
OukaKisa 10 months ago
The title of your video says it all. It will come to pass. And the whole Idea is "show your face" or else... Now is "they" tomorrow it'll be everyone.
How's the story of that guy:
"When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist"... "When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat"...
Etc, etc...
If it applies to others, = it applies to you... =)
Gmmaverick 10 months ago
Pod people have possessed Richard. Another video devoid of the F-Bomb. You're losing your touch man. ;)
SnowWalkerPrime 10 months ago
Were they allowed to wear the veils in places like banks before the ban passed? I guess I'll look that up.
ThisClownis2in1 10 months ago
for Anonymous protests, slipknot concerts etc they only really cover their faces during these respective events, if Muslim women CHOOSE to where the veil during prayers at mosque's then that's OK.
Though in public places such as supermarkets all of these face coverings should be as acceptable as a balaclava (i.e. not very).
OASISriffs 10 months ago
Wondering, during the winter I like to wear a scarf wrap it around my head and place the right part of the scarf over my mouth an nose to keep warm. Would I be arrested for simply trying to keep warm?
theatheistgal 10 months ago
Prohibition never works. Even if I think Islam is just as fucked up as any other religion.
gir908922 10 months ago
This law sucks... I should be allowed to wear a ski mask and cover my face no matter what store or daycare I am breaking in to.
skimaskradio 10 months ago
After 200 years or so of bending over, France tries to stand up for something and fails.
shaneisawesome11 10 months ago
I think a lot of muslim women feel more comfortable when people look at their eyes instead of their boobs or ass. Wich is very understandable. Bullshit law is bullshit.
bapthiser 10 months ago
I think it falls under the heading of freedom of expression. If wearing this stuff is your own decision, than no one should have the right to tell you otherwise. Now someone is going to say something like "what if they commit a crime? No one can tell who they are"...ok,... If you are so burdened by your beliefs that you would wear that crap, I doubt you'd commit many crimes. Remember, these are women. They have fewer rights religiously speaking than anyone. They'd likely be too scared.
skywize 10 months ago
F#ck islam , let them go back to shitslam
Fockersnextdoor 10 months ago
What about ugly people?
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35THIRTYFIVE 10 months ago
are those masks from V for Vendetta
rzq100 10 months ago
I don't know, face veil can hid your identity. It's hard to id someone in crime with it on. Doesn't matter if its religious. If Anons want to protest they have to get permission to and get permission to wear the mask (at least in some areas I don't know about laws in other areas of the world or the UK).
If they want to wear the face veil, do it at home or get permission to wear it at your work/school wear they can ID you in some way.
Jamez773 10 months ago
The thing about the french law is that it is suppose to be combating the daily use of the burka as a tool of oppression. V masks and ski masks won't be banned because they don't hinder people's interactions on a daily basis
Lemmingologist 10 months ago
@Lemmingologist Right, they actually help things like pranks and bank robberies! ^.^
theinnerbadger 10 months ago
length of time is the answer. mask divided by delta T= hypocrisy.
hope this helps : )
gobblegobblechew 10 months ago
Time to prepare the barricades and warn the embassies that decapitation squads are inbound.
Bhurzum 10 months ago
NO SCARF IN WINTER FOR YOU! and no halloween :( here where I am, all burka clad women show their face at motor vehicles with no problem, cause they want to drive. Additionally you gotta take off sunglasses and hats etc when going into a bank. what's the problem France? Is all this too much work for the individual?
augtube 10 months ago
You gave the same argument I put forward on an argument on facebook....but you used pictures. darn you and your visual prowess!
abbynormal0ne 10 months ago
I remember when they tried passing "Ban the Burqah" bills in Florida, after a woman was arrested for not showing her face for a driver license photo. It went a little far on that one (we should show our faces on driver licenses, because that's what our main I.D. is here), but I'd say maybe go as far as to refuse a license to someone who won't show their face for a photo... this is going WAY too far. I don't agree with Islam, but freedom is every bit as important as faith to me.
dameon692002 10 months ago
I've been out in public on halloween wearing a mask but I wouldn't dare nor think about going into any store or place of business with it on, thats just common sense and respect, too bad not everyone can get that and use their own self descression.
Jason442200 10 months ago
I don't have too much of an issue with them being masked out on the street, it's when you start getting into places like banks and government buildings. Hell as a store owner, I'd get very nervous if I saw anyone walking into my shop with any sort of mask on.
Jason442200 10 months ago
what about french mime artists?
fakesmith797 10 months ago
@fakesmith797 WON'T SOMEBODY (else) THINK OF THE FRENCH MIME ARTISTS? ;_;
theinnerbadger 10 months ago
Out of that list, Muslims are the only group that are known to blow the fuck out of people. So if a cunt is acting suspicious it would be nice to be able to pick her bearded face in a line up.
I agree that the EDL shouldn't have the right to wear masks if they are part of a known terrorist group (not necessarily bomb related terrorism).
No slipknot fan has even blown someone up wearing it.
Parabol0086 10 months ago
People should be allowed to wear it or NOT wear it. It is about choice... even though the Muslim faith is very archaic and even primitive in todays society, we need to be the ones to say "they have a choice". Although I do share Coughlans worries about the law being extended because I love slipknot! :P
XxAmericanLedxX 10 months ago
This law is specifically targeted at muslims and muslim culture.
There can be grandiloquent speeches on how identities shouldn't be concealed in public, how crimes can be prevented by this law, how this makes us safer in the streets... Let's not fool ourselves.
The criminal that intends to commit a crime won't abide by this law anyways.
How about banning skirts and making pants mandatory for all women? Will this help prevent rape?
How about banning dark clothes? Will this help prevent accidents?
Neneprobeta 10 months ago
"They try to make me wear a niqab..."
Been playing Rockband recently, Coughlan?
meritocratic1337 10 months ago
I don't mind the face covering, but every time i walk into college with a hood up (yes i wear it up. i find it comfortable), i get told to take it down. Thats fair enough, but the woman behind me with all of her FACE covered gets to keep covered? I don't mind, i just wish people would either apply rules like this to all face covering or not apply them at all. (and no, hoods dont cover my face).
polop1234 10 months ago
pinhead rules!
skyrocketpuke 10 months ago
That's an interesting point..!
TheShortStory 10 months ago
It's interesting that the two EDL guys manage to come across as rather a lot more intimidating than the four cenobites. (Mind you, without their powers, cenobites are rather pathetic, what with all the muscle damage and restrictive clothing.)
evensgrey 10 months ago
@MarciMK79 I can agree with that, but out in public? Big difference. I am all for not wearing the burka in certain lines of work, food chains, hospitals, etc... I am under the impression however the law is about women wearing their face covered out in public, on the streets, in their cars kinda thing. Banning it in all work positions would be horrible, especially if you had a religious job...
girlpalooza 10 months ago
So if an epidemic strikes France... It'll be illegal to use surgical masks in highly populated places?
Neneprobeta 10 months ago
They were not arrested for violating the new law, they were arrested for protesting without relevant permits.
SPACKlick 10 months ago
@SPACKlick globalspin . blogs . time . com / 2011 / 04 / 11 / frances - burqa - ban - comes - into - force - with - much - noise - little - impact /
SPACKlick 10 months ago
Weren't they arrested for protesting illegally, rather than wearing the face veil?
Webofscience 10 months ago
well, Muslim women could wear crash helmets with like polorised visors. They could become a new western denomination... Stig Muslim. Then everyone is happy.
Brascofarian 10 months ago 2
There is no white and dark on this matter, if somebody feels like dressing up for a party or something with a mask I would have no problem with it
But if somebody would walk into a bank or a store with a mask or something covering his/her face hell yeah I would have a problem with it since it could lead to misunderstandings and even panics
Even bikers here are required to take off their helmets (or open them at least) when they walk in a gas station
RazielKain 10 months ago
@RazielKain and it's true that many cultures and laws gave a green pass due to religion
I at least can fully understand people who don't serve or allow people covering their faces wether it is with masks or burkas in their stores etc
RazielKain 10 months ago
@RazielKain I cant recall hearing of someone wearing the niqab, ever trying to commit armed robbery, yet on many occaisions armed robbers have wore crash helmets. when muslim women start holding up banks and places, that would be the time to ban it.
jancrowb 10 months ago
@jancrowb I don't recall any armed robberies in niqab or whatever either but it doesn't matter
If I were to walk in a bank with a cold weather mask which covers even less around the eyes than a niqab and they would probably call the police or ban me from the bank
Giving people a special right to break store policies or laws is not right
RazielKain 10 months ago
I guess sport mascots are banned too, cuz most mascots have a masks
420simpson 10 months ago
like you say, how far will this go? will they next ban kids from facepainting, or wearing masks on halloween, or will they ban face tattoos? you could understand if muslim women went around mugging, or robbing banks, but its very rare that the niqab causes trouble to anyone or harms anyone. its the right wing element in france being appeased. everyone should be free to do whatever, as long as its not harming anyone else.the majority of muslim women in the west that wear the niqab, choose to.
jancrowb 10 months ago
Man, the anons would be screwed if that was extended unanimously...
IdaMiaDot 10 months ago
Excellent, my thoughts exactly.
dieAntagonista 10 months ago
I don't understand how a " free" government can get off dictating what someone can or cannot wear.
TheLummer66 10 months ago
It's prejudice against superheroes imo. I know my friendly neighborhood spider-man wouldn't appreciate this sort of treatment. Seriously though, it is a law without practical basis. The only thing you could ever really hope to gain from that is to punish people from doing something that causes absolutely no harm at all. You can bitch about it belittling women all you want to wear a ninja costume, but in the end they choose to put it on.
mindstain75 10 months ago
Totally agree. I dislike how people think that it's their decision to decide what another person ought to wear. It's their own decision, and only around 2,000 women apparently wear the thing in France.
spankthereasoner 10 months ago
It's a freaking veil. Come on France.
JTrizzleFizzle 10 months ago
There are certain places in public that you should have to show your face if demanded (or leave), like a bank. I also don't think you should wear a facial veil while driving (because of peripheral vision problems) unless the mask is only from the nose down. If I go into a bank with a ski-mask on, I will be asked to leave or thrown in prison, if I can't, they can't. I also think they should have to have photo drivers licenses. If your religions bans you from pictures, it bans you from driving.
christo930 10 months ago
The result of extreme paranoia =)
GodlessManitoban 10 months ago
I think maybe the face veil is more of a piece of clothing, I doubt they could realistically take the ban to those levels. Just my thoughts.
ootdega 10 months ago
You've convinced me to be against this law. Not that it matters since I live in Canada. I'll be voting against it if they try it here at least.
ScissorHand26 10 months ago
I thought the women were temporarily detained for attending an "unauthorized" protest... which is fucked up in its own right.
And what makes me think they won't extend it? Because everyone knows this was specifically meant to target Muslims and they have no intention of enforcing this bs on nice Western European citizens.
sofiarune 10 months ago
Yes, it's asinine and stupid to ban an item of clothing except where other people's safety is an issue.
Desertphile 10 months ago
@Desertphile Even though the politicans who introduced the legislation explicitly stated that the law was not proposed for safety reasons....
sofiarune 10 months ago
How about taking even further and outlawing the use of fictious user names on YouTube?
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
In that case, you would have to take possible personal danger or identity theft into account. It's a little different.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So you are saying that using your real name online puts you at more danger than walking around in public? How is a woman wanting to hide herself to protect herself any different than you using a fictious name to hide yourself? It sounds like you are fine with taking personal choice away from muslim women, but want to that personal choice for yourself.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
No, because if you can't use a fictious username online, people will know your name. People don't know your name just by looking at you. And on the Internet, names can be very dangerous.
Besides, most Muslim women aren't necessarily wearing it by choice. As Coughlan said, only about 3,000 Muslims actually wear the veil. That's barely a percievable percentage.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Like you cannot be identified from your username online? Like your FACE is not really good information to use to identify someone? Are you technologically unskilled, or have you never been around people that identify others for a living?
You assert these women aren't wearing it by choice, so that somehow gives you the right take away any choice that they do have? So for religious reasons, you are advocating that society shit on that minority because they don't matter.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
There's a vast difference between a trained professional identifying you, and absolutely anyone identifying you. Don't be an idiot.
Dude, I seriously think you have bigger fish to fry. That's my only point. Well, besides that your analogy is flawed, due to different circumstances and resources.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega I guess you never paid someone to find someone else for you. But then again at only 20, I don't expect to you have spent much time in the real world yet.
The fish that need frying is YOU. You want to take away personal choice from some group that you are not part of and justify it using your own personal paranoia. If they don't get the right to express their believes why should you have the right to express yours?
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
You apparently don't see the difference between some butthurt Internet tough guy finding your name with two clicks of a mouse and someone having to hunt down Mr. Nameless and pay him to find that person. My age is irrelevant and a strawman.
No, I DON'T want to take that away from anyone. What the hell gave you that idea? I'm not the one that took it away. I'm saying the victims of it aren't substantial enough to outweigh other problems in the same area, with the same victims.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Your age and experience ARE relevent to your understanding of how cheap it is to locate somebody from a username versus them being right in front of you.
So yes you are saying the victims aren't worfh enough to matter. You are just as bad as those people you imagine force these women to where burkas. You just want to force them not to.
Either way you are just talking about taking away their freedom of speech rights. Try that law in the US, it won't even make it to a vote.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Now your argument is backwards. Nice. Wow. You are so dense. Your skull is so thick it could probably take a .308.
I'm saying this issue isn't big enough to waste your energy on when there are bigger problems, with the SAME VICTIMS. Try something with more impact, get better results. DURR.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega I guess that means you ran out of arguments.
You just keep asserting that they don't matter. By extension that means that YOU don't matter either.
I think the women that want to wear a burka should have the right too. If some christian wants the right to express their faith in public, the muslim women should have the same right. Mighty white of you to endorse restrictions on others that won't affect you.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
I take that back. I'm sure your skull could take a 20mm just fine. You are some piece of work. You just keep repeating yourself, acting the hero, ignoring everything I say, completely oblivious to the fact that I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE FUCKING SAYING.
THIS ISSUE doesn't matter. There are bigger ones, that involve the SAME PEOPLE. If you want to help them, FIGHT A BIGGER PROBLEM. Not a problem that affects a tenth of a percentage of people in a SINGLE FUCKING COUNTRY.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So now you are saying that YOU should be the one to decide what's best for these women.
Haven't you figured out that little ugly things have a tendancy to grow into big ugly things.
So you have delusions of grandure that you should spend your time on more important things. OK, so why are you continually responding? We are talking about burka laws.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Sweet mother of Kratos. See? Just repeating yourself. Completely ignoring me. It's like you have every response on queue. You're not even making sense.
I'm talking to YOU. How about you worry about, oh, I dunno, Islamophobia, or discrimination? THIS PROBLEM IS SMALL, MISTER HERO.
If you can't get it through your fucking head that I'm not your damn enemy, I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you. Doesn't matter how much I explain, you're too stupid to comprehend it.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Why do you want so desperately to change the subject?
I don't see a problem with islamophobia or discrimination except when it's being enacted into LAW. As this case is.
So your whole argument boils down to I'm dumb, and you have all the answers. OK, mister ad hom, explain how your world without islamophobia or discrimination works when you allow the thing you seem to be against to exist because it's not important enough to get rid of.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Yeah, I'm not getting through to you at all. You're a one-trick pony. A broken record. You just don't get it. You ignore me, make shit up and put words in my mouth.
It's a shame. We're on the same fucking side, you're just too dense and narcissistic to see past your own damn ego. Go bother someone else. Preferably someone as dense as you.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega More ad hom's. You really feel butt hurt that you are incapable of making a cogent argument.
So when I listen to you are respond with I see as the implications of what you are saying, I am putting words in your mouth. So you really don't want a conversation, you want someone to agree with you.
Why should I go bother someone else when I have a person like you? The more you respond the more you make your position look worse. Got any more fallicies to send my way?
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Oh, I can make a cogent argument. I've made plenty. You either ignore them or twist them to something convenient for you. You don't get that I AGREE with you, though I've said it three times now.
Wow. You just described yourself. Thing is, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. You're trying to salvage your ego.
I haven't said a single "fallacy" in this entire "argument." The only fallacies here were ones you made up and put in my mouth. You don't even make any fucking sense.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Now your really going off the deep end.
So you agree banning burka's is the same thing as requiring people to use real names on YouTube, the muslim women do matter, and this is a big enough issue to warrent my time. Why can't you just say you where wrong.
It's beginning to look like this is about YOUR ego. Your insults don't help your position they just make you look kookier. Have you got any more insults? Please express more.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
You still completely misunderstand me. *sigh* Whatever old man.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega It's up to you to express yourself in a way that can be understood by others. I guess it hurts when an old man kicks your young ass :-)
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Ha, ha, no. Everything you've said has applied to yourself, and only yourself. You fail to realize that because you continue to fail to understand everything I said.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega The chances of my understanding of you, having any benefit to me is pretty far down on the list of my priorities. The benefit of this exchange to me was to have someone try to use the typical counter argument to my position, and then step on their own dick. Just like you did.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
If you understood what I said, you'd know that it was you that tripped, not me. Now you're transposing roles and talking out your ass for the "last word" award.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Now it's an "I shot you first" fight. How many more childish arguments are you going to make while we play the YouTube game? This is great, all I got to do is throw a gig at you and you flare up and overreact. So I get to point out more "strangenesses" in your argument that make you look worse. And all I got to do is type a response message.
When I was a kid I would never have thought how much fun it is to irritate the kiddies :-)
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Again, you're talking about yourself. You aren't even making any sense.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega OH so it's a "it's not me it's you" fight now? There's not point in making sense anymore. At this point it's just about irritating you :-)
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Hm. Whatever floats your boat. Deluded satisfaction is still satisfaction I suppose.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So that's what you wish to win. You get in an argument with someone that you agree with, and when your arguments get shown for what they are, you claim your opponent is stupid and wrong, and cannot understand you. So you agree with your opponent but your opponent is wrong. Don't you think there is a little "mental" in your argument.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Here you go again. I told you, I was never "arguing." You were the one that turned it into an argument. And with those last three sentences, you've just demonstrated your lack of mental capacity. I agree with your stance on this issue. Somehow you think that justifies your complete and deliberate misinterpretation of everything I said to make yourself look better.
I've already answered everything you're saying. The fact that you can't understand is not a win for you.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So you where making counter arguments to your own position, WHY? Did you want them to be slapped down? If that where truely the case, you would not have gone off your long line of insults. It still sounds like you know you got beat and now want to revise history to say you where on the other side.
So little kiddie picked a fight, got his ass kicked and now claims he was mistreated. Maybe you should run home to mommy.
The win for me is seeing you respond :-)
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
XD Oh, man. You are so clueless. Wow. I don't even know where to begin with that one. Now you're even confusing what YOU'VE said. I'm beginning to pity you. You just...lack all comprehension. That's all there is to it. I know the word! Senile!
Man. I just....wow. I can't refute your "arguments" if they don't make any fucking sense! You're refuting yourself as you go along anyway, so why bother? Your arrogance and narcissism are getting WAY ahead of you.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega If you're going to have a fight over youtube with comments, at least be a bit respectful and not have a consistent framework of sentences that are just ad hominems. Lol
KittyzKatterz 10 months ago
@KittyzKatterz
The hell am I supposed to say anymore? XD I've already explained everything he's saying. He just doesn't get it. And it just keeps getting worse. I tried to be respectful, he blew everything I said out of proportion and started putting words in my mouth and making shit up to try to play hero, when I clearly told him I agreed with him, right from the start! I tried explaining myself, and he ignored me. Not much more I can do anymore. He's just a lost cause.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Yeah just ignore the people that don't know how to read. You can make a point and they totally ignore it, even though it is fact. Like their thought process isn't moving along very well...It's pretty sad, I guess you are right, at some point, you have to call them a dumbass and just ignore them Lol.
I just recently got banned from the atheistexperience chat room on their ustream for swearing and stating my opinion...People are assholes, and that's why you say "FUCK YOU" to them :)
KittyzKatterz 10 months ago
@KittyzKatterz
Tru dat.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So I guess you never got to collage and took a class on logic.
You agree with my position, but you can't refute it because it makes no sense, so you must be saying that the position you agree with makes no sense. So are you trying to make yourself look mental?
It would seem I don't WANT to understand you twisted logic.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Nope. I went to learn how to build a computer from scratch. :3
The only reason the logic is twisted is because YOU TWISTED IT TO BEGIN WITH. I'm done with you.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Big deal asshole, I have been doing that for over 30 years now.
So you admit your logic is so plyable that it can be twisted. Doesn't sound like a strong argument to me.
So are you going to take your ball and go home :-(
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
So you turned senile at 20? Man, no wonder you talk down to me. -_-; You make no sense...
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Well that's what you do to short people :-) I guess you need more school.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Sure thing buddy. That's why I graduated honors with a GED and HSE, after dropping out of 9th grade. That's why I have a 150 IQ. That's why I have awards from every academic place I've ever been to.
And I'm 5'10. 200 pounds. :P So yeahhhh....
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So what, some of the dumbest people on the earth are professors. If you where so smart you would know what an ad hom was and why it is such a bad tactic to use to justify your point.
So besides being young and dumb you are fat. Have you got any news on your questionable ancestory?
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Har har har. I know what an ad hominem is. I didn't use one till you started twisting my words. How many times have I explained this now? 8?
Yeah, sorry, 200 for 5'10 is not overweight. Oh, look, an ad hominem. What's that word again? Hypocrisy? :3
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So first you didn't use them and then you didn't use one till.
So where did I imply you where wrong becuase you where fat? At this point the argument is over, you lost, all we have now is insults. You insult me, I insult you, You already conceded I was right.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Never said I didn't use them. I thought you said I didn't know what one was? Make up your mind.
Wow. You're just running in circles now. Mixing your delusions with your false assumptions and wrapping it in your lack of comprehension. How about actually reading what I said and using that instead? You know, like a knowledgable and experienced person would do.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega So your words where "I haven't said a single "fallacy" in this entire "argument." So you changed your position on using them. And at the same time you admitted it was an argument. Are you just too stupid to read what you wrote earlier?
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
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@beechgrovejoe
No, but you're too stupid to know the difference between a fallacy and an ad hominem, apparently.
ootdega 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Also, judging my life experience based on my age is just about the dumbest thing you can do.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega Judging personal life over the internet period, is the most dumb thing you can do. LOL *sigh*
KittyzKatterz 10 months ago
@KittyzKatterz
Pretty much. Yet that was the first thing he did -.-
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega It's about just as dumb as mexicans thinking that americans are dumb for not knowing spanish. I know it's irrelevant, but my god that pisses me off. This is the US we speak English, who the hell says or thinks that we should know spanish...
And the age thing, yeah, old people tend to think that their age makes them superior in knowledge. My fathers old, and he can be dumb as hell.
KittyzKatterz 10 months ago
@ootdega Not really, older people see younger people do stupid things all the time.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
And younger people see older people do even dumber things even more often.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega But there's one BIG difference. I have seen it from both a young and old perspective, you on the other hand have not seen it from the other side yet.
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Good for you. I see that as a positive for me, personally. Means I'm not senile yet.
ootdega 10 months ago
@ootdega OK if you think the lack of knowledge and experience is a good thing :-)
beechgrovejoe 10 months ago
@beechgrovejoe
Lol. I've got more knowledge and experience than anyone three times my age. Including you. Once again, measuring my life experience by my age is very stupid.
What's sad is this started as a friendly correction to something you said.
ootdega 10 months ago