President Zelaya Was Constitutionally Removed From Office in Honduras. There Was No Honduran Coup.

[CloeBuckingham]

It's really obvious that Zelaya wanted to illegally change the Constitution to make himself a Chavez-like dictator of Honduras for life. That some ordinary people support him is sad. They are begging to be slaves, just like the USSR under Stalin.

[rodriguezfernando75]

And because the same rich and powerful are the owners of the media they launched a dirty campaign against Zelaya. In his administration life for the great mayority was made better: cheaper fuel, cheaper food, better wages more fluid comerce, etc. But we all know that if the people is better the richer earn less for their fortunes. Our natural resources are being exploited savagely only because a few want to get richer. As a honduran I am being insulted when people that knows nothing talks.

[CloeBuckingham]

@rodriguezfernando75 When you increase wages 60%, it helps temporarily, but soon the jobs are shifted to other countries with lower labour costs. In the longer term, he destroyed jobs for the working poor. The proper way to improve wages is to improve people's skills and education, not by meddling with the free market. If meddling worked, the USSR would not have collapsed.

There are unresolved inequalities, but Zelaya would only make everyone poor. Education and opportunity are key.

[rodriguezfernando75]

How come that our Constitution cannot be reformed?? Even US Constitution can be changed via Amendments. Ours cannot. That is stupid because times since 1982 changed. I assure that none of you has read our Constitution and are talking garbage of the Zelaya administration. I am a honduran citizen and I want to be asked. I invite all of you to read the Honduran Constitution and you will realize that it was made to protect the rich and powerful. We the people are forgotten in that Carta Magna.

[CloeBuckingham]

@rodriguezfernando75 What do you mean? Of course, the Constitution of Honduras CAN be reformed. Please read Article 373. However, there are certain aspects that cannot be reformed: Article 374 states, "It is not possible to reform, in any case, the preceding article, the present article, the constitutional articles referring to the form of government, to the national territory, to the presidential period, the prohibition to serve again as President of the Republic..."

[rodriguezfernando75]

Excuse me!!!!!! None of you people are honduran!!!! For God's sake!!!!! I was born and I lived all my life in Honduras and is insulting to me that you people are talking BS of our political affairs. Zelaya is the first person to do right things for the poor and abandoned people of our society. The wage rise is fair. Imagine yourselves living with 150 US Dollars, or less, a month. That is no life!!!! Zelaya rose that from US$ 150 to almost US$ 300. Here we have people dying of hunger.

[CloeBuckingham]

@rodriguezfernando75 Zelaya destroyed the poor by pricing the Honduran labour market far about the world price, so that companies relocated in neighbour countries with lower labour costs. He rose the minimum wage 60%, so all those unskilled jobs were destroyed.

Living with 150 dollars per month is easy in rural Honduras where things are cheap. Nobody starves in Honduras. The so-called poor people even look fat.

[coolestmcse]

@CloeBuckingham Nobody starves in Hondura? Wow, you're the Anti-Christ...

[CloeBuckingham]

@coolestmcse Hunger is moderately low in Honduras. You may go to wfp dot org and download the hunger map to see where the problems lie. Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Bolivia, most of Africa, India, and Pakistan are all far worse off than Honduras.

People like to make scare mongering about Honduras, but there is no list of names of those who starved to death.

[caraclaudel]

Honduras followed its Constitution and stopped a dictator in his tracks. Bravo!

[CloeBuckingham]

@caraclaudel Thank you for your support!

[DABIGRAGU1]

Hmmmm...gets one thinking doesn't it  ; - )

[timand2037]

what rubbish - fuera golpistas!

[makokun9]

Yet another attempt to justify what was a mere a coup de etat.

Way to go, conservatives of the first world. Nice job at being assholes... again.

[CloeBuckingham]

@makokun9 If this were merely a coup, why not have it earlier? Why wait for Zelaya's attempt to subvert the constitution, which imposes term limits? And what about Zelaya's ties with the international drug trade?

[itrainsinoctober]

I wish Honduras would follow in the footsteps of Chavez with the hope of liberation from the oligarchy.

[CloeBuckingham]

@itrainsinoctober Chavez has petrodollars to prop up his regime, but what would Honduras have? So called "liberation" doesn't produce prosperity for the people, as Fidel Castro has shown.

Manuel Zelaya was born into a life of privilege, and his father was convicted for la Masacre Los Horcones. He is not exactly a man of the people. He is more like an egomaniac. He is also profiting from drug smuggling.

Zelaya did not care about Hondura's loss of aid or trade or the people. It was all about him

[itrainsinoctober]

@CloeBuckingham So you actually believe that you're in a better position now without Zelaya?? Watch how things turn out in 5 years. You're screwed and you don't even know it.

[CloeBuckingham]

@itrainsinoctober I don't think Zelaya was good for the economy. He doesn't know how to develop an economy. When he increased the minimum wage by 60%, those unskilled jobs simply moved to neighbouring countries. The way to increase wages it to improve education and create a skilled workforce. It takes time. Wages are not something that can be fixed with the stroke of a pen.

[Hiromae33]

Zelaya or not, this happened out US intervention, something that when one look around in LatinoAmerica people have grown tired of. What we'll see a few years down the road is a divided country like happened in cuba with one part of the population living in florida dancing with the cubans while a dictator shi as it is bound to be called will join the new leftist latinoamerican coalition. the same record the same songs but with little validity in the future

[RolandoC20]

@Hiromae33 Just what evidence do you have that what happened in Honduras was a result of US intervention. The United States office of the secretary of state and the state departmet did not approve of zelaya's removal and did not support the interim government that came afterward. Your statement is ambiguous. Were you or were you not in support of Zelaya?

[CloeBuckingham]

@RolandoC20 Since when do Communists need evidence? Whenever something happens to their pet dictator, it "must" be the fault of the great satan USA, riiiight?

[marvinop]

Fuck these lying, Corporate bastards. Oh, Nixon was forced from office only after the Chilean military invaded their presidential palace to remove another democratically elected leader. I could go on, and on. But I wont because it would be a biblically sized novel you corporate-war whores. Eat my shit, you crotch sniffing bastards. Viva la revelucion!

[Johan1982]

¿Por qué hablan de comunismo cuando aquí nadie es comunista?, ¿por qué?, ¿por qué tresgiversan la propuesta de nueva Constitución?.

El 239 no fue violado, ni se puede aplicar arbitrariamente, debe cumplirse el debido proceso como dice la Constitución, es más ni se aplicó, ¿por qué no publican el decreto golpista del Congreso que nombró a Micheletti?, ahí reconocen que Zelaya sigue siendo Presidente, no cita el 239, y falsificaron renuncia de él.

Golpe militar y técnico.

[Johan1982]

No a las mentiras como las que publica este vídeo.

¿Por qué militares lo sacaron de su casa en pijama y lo exiliaron a Costa Rica, y después no lo dejaban regresar a Honduras?, ¿por qué si supuestamente tenía orden de captura en el aeropuerto no lo dejaron aterrizar?.

¿Por qué inventan que las FF.AA realizaron orden de captura, cuando solo las puede ejecutar la policía?, ¿en dónde han visto que en una orden de captura se manda a el exilio a alguien?.

[MrGOLPISTA]

ZELAYA does not care for the people, he only cares for him self.

HE BELONGS IN JAIL!!!

[Daveparts]

Zelaya was ousted for increasing the miniumum wage.

[CloeBuckingham]

That was only one issue. Of course, if the cost of labour suddenly increases in Honduras relative to neighbouring countries, and other countries do not raise their minimum wages, companies will relocate elsewhere, and this will cause job losses in Honduras because the cost of labour is lower elsewhere. A 60% increase in the minimum wage was rather large.

However, the real problem is that Zelaya would like to be a communist dictator of Honduras for life like Castro.

[MrGOLPISTA]

This is the TRUTH!!!

We dont want ZELAYA becouse he is a drog addict, slave of Chavez, he ruin the economy of my country, MEL belongs in "jail"

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

"Zelaya was 24 hours away from being in a position to tear up the constitution and rule indefinitely."

Allowing a non-binding poll would have meant no such thing. I would be mistaken in suggesting your thesis rests on falsehoods such as this: it rests on the fact that Zelaya was doing a minimum to help the poor majority in Honduras. To some..."people" that is simply abhorrent.

[CloeBuckingham]

The UN and Obama wanted to isolate and punish Honduras. Now people are starving. Thank you, UN and Obama. NOT!

[DarthCormac]

Yes, what you say is true. Now Zelaya has snuck back into Honduras and is trying to turn a bad situation into a nightmare. The man is only concerned with his own glory & power; the Honduran people are means to an end, in his eyes. Zelaya is Chavez's poodle.

I don't care how my own country or any other country views the situation. I will always stand by Honduras and her new, FREE government. Zelaya can go to hell.

[CloeBuckingham]

Fortunately, Zelaya is losing supporters in Honduras as people become more aware of his drug smuggling activities.

[rafaelelvir]

fuck you half breed jing you are not from Honduras

[GetFeisty]

"What President Zalaya is being accused of doing is in direct violation of the constitution." - Sheila Matute

BEING ACCUSED OF seems to be the key here.

The Honduran constitution allows for the oligarchy to control the military AND general government policy -only one term, ever? no way to impeach? the courts control the military? and in US?

...democracy got too functional for the super-elites comfort (even when it was a non-binding poll) and they ousted the elected president by force.

[CloeBuckingham]

Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution: "No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law OR PROPOSES ITS REFORM, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."

Zelaya linked to drug smuggling!

[Miguelopezzz]

LOL... I´m gonna give you the question of the poll:

"Are you in accord that in the general elections of November 2009 there be included a fourth ballot in which the people decide whether to convoke a National Constituent Assembly?"

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Thumbs down. Someone didn't like that for some absurd reason.

[lizzfrmhon]

miguelopezz youre an asshole... you think you know so much about laws huh...the president can call for a referendum or plebicito but he can do so only when it is approved constitutionally and is overseen by the Tribunal Superior Electoral.. stop overusing the few neurons that you have.

Zelaya broke the law!! get that throught to your underdeveloped brain.

[Miguelopezzz]

Wrong again... That´s not what the law says:

Ley de Participación ciudadana (Decreto No. 3-2006): ARTÍCULO 3.- Los mecanismos de la Participación Ciudadana entre otros son: 1) Plebiscito; 2) Referéndum; 3) Cabildos abiertos municipales; 4) Iniciativa Ciudadana; y,  5) Otros señalados en la Ley. (cont...)

[Miguelopezzz]

ARTÍCULO 5.- La iniciativa ciudadana es un mecanismo de participación mediante el cual el ciudadano podrá presentar las solicitudes e iniciativas siguientes: (cont...)

[Miguelopezzz]

1) Solicitar que los titulares de órganos o dependencias públicas de cualquiera de los poderes del Estado, que convoque a la ciudadanía en general, a los vecinos de un Municipio, de un barrio o colonia, a gremios, sectores o grupos sociales organizados, para que emitan opiniones y formulen propuestas de solución a problemas colectivos que les afecten. Los resultados no serán vinculantes pero sí elementos de juicio para el ejercicio de las funciones del convocante

[Miguelopezzz]

So in conclusion: It was not a referendum and had nothing to do with TSE. It was just a legal mechanism of participation.

[madmanatsea]

Article 374: Six things can't be Reformed and one of them is the ONE term a citizen gets to be president! Zelaya is on video here on Youtube stating that the Main Theme of his national assembly is RE-ELECTION.....Use this Search: Documental de lo que sucedio realmente en honduras to see people being paid to PROTEST @2.45 and Zelaya saying RE-ELECTION @5.30 after you find the video. Wish I could post it!

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

@madmanatsea you can post the part of the link that comes after the word "watch" in the url.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

@NicosNicosNicosNicos Sorry, actually the second part INCLUDING the word "watch" is probably easier to copy and paste.

[DarthCormac]

Zelaya is such garbage. The Wall Street Journal just published an excellent article entitled "Behind the Honduran Mutiny". It's good reading for those who want to learn the truth about this left wing snake.

Glad he's gone, and may he never return.

[Ulamaxh20]

Hooray for Honduras for booting out a corrupt President!

[Onodera1980]

Finally, thanks for putting up this video. I've been trying to explain this in the states and nobody seems to listen. The media coverage is making it look like the military is violating democracy.

[Miguelopezzz]

And it is violating democracy...

[Onodera1980]

You're wrong. It is upholding the constitution. The president has certain powers. When they try to abuse those powers, extend them, etc. they are violating the constitution. The president needs to be kept in check.

[Miguelopezzz]

bla bla bla....read the discussion below... a poll of public opinion is legal and does not violate the Constitution...

[Onodera1980]

And that's why there are courts to protect the minority from the majority (public opinion). If the courts said the president can't do that and he tries to do it anyway... He's breaking the law...

[Miguelopezzz]

That´s not true. The only executive decree the courts ruled as illegal was PCM-05-2009. The President revoked that decree and created a new one (PCM-020-2009). The new executive decree is the one that has no legal consequences (doesn´t even send a bill to congress in case "yes" wins) and changes it to a poll. No court ruled it as illegal yet. Get your facts straight...

[Miguelopezzz]

Other mistake: The 'Corte Suprema de Justicia' has no legal power to depose a President.

[jaibabravah]

Zelaya was not the president when he got kickout... from the time you call for a referendum you are no longer the president of the country...... sorry :( try harder....

[Miguelopezzz]

It was not a referendum: Artículo 3. Esta encuesta nacional de opinión se realizará bajo la coordinación técnica del Instituto Nacional de Estadísticas, INE, órgano encargado de la producción de estadísticas confiables y oportunas, necesarias para el permanente conocimiento de la realidad nacional, la planificación del desarrollo y la eficiente gestión en la toma de decisiones del sector público. (PCM-020-2009) Try again...

[Miguelopezzz]

The violation of 239.º is also false since the poll had no legal consequences....LOL

[jaibabravah]

Holly shit you are telling me that it had no legal consequences??? are you stupit or trying to play stupid?? My ex- president Zelaya tried to sell me that bull shit but I didn't buy it jajaj.... I feel sorry for you... WTF if he wanted to make a poll why didn't he hire Gallup or some shit like that (like civilized people do) not with fucking ballots and propaganda... jaja Zelaya thought that was a smart way to make a referrendum jajaja

[Miguelopezzz]

It´s in the law...please read PCM-020-2009 you ignorant...Gallup?!?! LOL Do you know what INE is?

[Miguelopezzz]

The second decree ( PCM-020-2009 ), the one that matters, was completely legal...

[Miguelopezzz]

The poll of public opinion can be called by the President according to "Ley de Participación ciudadana (Decreto No. 3-2006)" and also according to the Constitution: ARTÍCULO 80.- Toda persona o asociación de personas tiene el derecho de presentar peticiones a las autoridades ya sea por motivos de interés particular o general y de obtener pronta respuesta en el plazo legal.

[Miguelopezzz]

It was not a referendum....It was a poll of public opinion with no legal consequences...

Not even one minute of film, and already wrong...

[Leling5]

The Constitution works! THAT is all I want to know.

Thank goodness for the specific provisions in your Constitution, and the people who are preserving it by doing what needs to be done.

[harvigar]

why are so scare to ask the people what they want ?

a direct violation of constitution is the suspention of civil rights.

[CloeBuckingham]

Nobody is scared to ask the people what they want. But is that what would happen, when Zelaya supporters broke in to steal the ballots and distribute them only to other Zelaya supporters?

Zelaya's popularity was only 30%.

[juanro007]

I wonder, if Zelaya was from the political right: Would Obama support the LEGAL ouster?

Would Zelaya be called 'president' or 'dictator'?

Would the U.N. propose sanctions?

Would it be a 'coup'?

The answer sadly would be NO to all of the above. Great video!

[edgardepo]

Yeah, and elephants are pink and can fly.

[NoGuff]

Excellent. Thanks for posting.

[opchidexio]

Listen Honduras. America is slowly waking up to the truth. Obama and the news media in the US are owned by the hard left. Obama and the media DO NOT represent the views of the people! Also the United Nations organization is controlled by Marxists.

[amsterdam78]

You call everyone who doesn't agree with you a communist or a Marxist, I'm so sick of you I almost want to pay someone to hunt down your address because you don't deserve freedom of speech.

[opchidexio]

Everyone? I do not.

Um, "PAY someone to hunt me down and kill me"??

There is one problem. Who will feed my cats?

[StinkingHombre]

I will eat your cats with a little fried rice and a nice Bordeaux..........

[opchidexio]

Deal.  I love cats. They taste just like chichen. lol

[StinkingHombre]

The meat has a yellowish tint but tastes delicious!

[Tantoin]

If Hondurans do not (like most every other country) bow down to the Marxist UN threats and world bank blacklists and blackmails, then they have one of the best chances in all of the world to be a refuge state for all expatriots worldwide who want to emmigrate to escape the abortion genocide funding nations and the slave-to-the-UN agenda nations .

BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE OF HONDURAS, DO NOT GIVE IN TO THE MARXISTS, YOU DON'T NEED TO. YOU ARE SOVERIGN. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY MARXIST MEDIA PROPAGANDA.

[CommunistPartyJapan]

I would like to help the new government of Honduras in any way possible.

[Tantoin]

"I would like to help"

Then stay out of Honduras, your Marxist reverse psycology propaganda doesn't work here subversive. Hondurans will not allow you and your Marxist plots to infiltrate them, go back to North Korea, Eritrea, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, China, etc. and feed your Marxist/Maoist genocidal lusts there. LEAVE THE WORLD ALONE YOU SICK GENOCIDAL MARXIST MANIPULATORS. BUT NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WILL STOP AT NOTHING UNTIL YOU RULE THE WORLD WITH YOUR FILTH AND ABOMINATIONS.

[QuartuvLarry]

Give it up, socialists! Just give it up! Before, you looked so desperate to vilify a country righteously adhering to its own laws, but now...LMAO! You all just look fucking path-e-tic!

[agilulfone]

Getting elected. Organizing referendums. Proposing constitutional amendments. These are the sorts of things that happen in a country that is experiencing democracy.

Kidnapping the president. Installing an unelected strongman. Suspending civil liberties. These are the sorts of things that happen in a country that is experiencing a coup.

[amsterdam78]

Absolutely right, the thousands that showed up at the airport proves that the people want democracy but the elite are afraid of a vote by the people.

[opchidexio]

Hey left-tard, the Honduran constitution says HOW MANY TERMS? Come on. You know the answer. Surely you can read.

[THINKfutureShow]

Obama cannot stand countries who follow their constitution. As with Bush, he will prop up tyrannical dictators to serve his own ends.

[amsterdam78]

Ow that's not a completely biased opinion rush Jr.

[1hippie91]

Amsterdan: The congress (everyone of its members elected by the people) elected Roberto Micheletti as president. The army is not taking any decision, they are following orders, not giving them.

Besides, Micheletti, based on the constitution, was next to be president in case the president and the vice-president were absent.

It is also important to mention that this Government is very popular.

Thanks for this video CloeBuckingham.

[blinkangels44]

This video explained all ... simple and clear . Excellent move by the Hondurans to remove such a treat parasite of Zelaya and to ensure that the constitution of Honduras will be respected not matter what .

[TheRealFreznoBob]

The world as a whole is not a good place, if you choose to do good then you stand alone.

[TheRealFreznoBob]

Do you think condemnation by world governments invalidates what you believe?

Then you don't understand the nature of powerful world governments. Let me put it this way, the difference between small dictatorships and large 'democratic' governments is the difference between the hells angels and your local police. Both have an equal amount of lawbreakers in their midst but one is regimented and accepted by the deluded public. Their still both gangs who's primary motivation is personal gain.

[Questfortruth86]

FUCK THAT. I'll come to Honduras myself and fight for the new government. The American fascist media, as well as our great king, Obama, actually support this tyrant. GO HONDURAS, FREEDOM LOVERS ACROSS THE WORD SUPPORT YOU!

[amsterdam78]

Fuck you, I'll go down to fight for Zelaya and freedom from military tyranny.

[Questfortruth86]

I'll see you there motherfucker.

[anchelicht]

Hay que terminar definitivamente, con éste tipo de BANDIDOS! que solo poseen la gran habilidad de:

Tráfico de armas. Lavado de dinero US$. Tráfico drogas, multiples corruptos! América la Gente no tiene nada que ver con todo ésto!

[CloeBuckingham]

Zelaya es un criminal. Nada mas.

[1988scottcarey]

is there going to be a war?

[CloeBuckingham]

Of course not. Let's not be too melodramatic. Thank you, Michael Jackson, for keeping CNN busy.

I think that Zelaya should have been imprisoned at a secret location, not deported.

[amsterdamamster]

Everyone from the OAS to Obama knows this was a coup, we all watched as the military rolled through the streets, suppressed the working class people from free speech, and handed power to an unelected president. Don't fall for the Honduran rights counter intelligence ploy set-up by the School of the Americas.

[CloeBuckingham]

The OAS just accepted Cuba. What do they care about democracy? LOL!

A democracy has checks and balances with no one party gaining total power. Of course, Obama, Chavez, and Zelaya hate term limits.

Who is the army suppressing? I see plenty of demonstrations for Roberto Micheletti and or Manuel Zelaya. Everyone is exercising free speech.

In what way is Roberto Micheletti unelected? He was elected to the National Congress, and has presided over it as president for three years.

[amsterdam78]

Being a congressman a president does not make. He was not elected, and thus is NOT the president. He is being maintained in power by military force.

[Questfortruth86]

The weight of tyrannical fascist leaders have made empty threats, such as Chavez. The people in Honduras have spoken, and the freedom loving people in this world will prevent murderers like you from interfering in this nations sovereignty. The world has had enough of you Marxian fascist lunatics, your genocides, you theft, and the abominations you create. Look around you, the real peoples revolution is coming.

[amsterdam78]

Give me a break, more then half the people are turning out in droves to support the true president, and they are being suppressed my military power. This is not the cold war, and military coups are no longer what the world will stand for. The OAS, United States, and the UN have all condemned this. The longer he waits the more people will die before the transition back. As vice chair of the Florida socialist party I have been talking about military aid in case a civil war is needed.

[Questfortruth86]

Are you reading the comments posted by people actually there? OPEN YOUR EYES, TAKE A LOOK. 91% voted against him, the supreme court ruled 5-0. Go fuck yourself. Your destructive political ideologies have no bounds. The tyrannical rules of the world may not support it, but they wont have a choice. The world is finally waking up. Look at India, Germany, Greece, and now the great nation of Honduras. I escaped communism my self, and I will die before I see it take over the world once again.

[amsterdam78]

All I see are people videotaping the same one event. The one set-up by the SOA military coup. It was propaganda from top to bottom. India Germany and Greece were pretty much never socialist, they had socialists in their governments but never actually went socialist, so that's disingenuous right there, plus Honduras under the president was not even heading towards socialism, just some modest reforms to help the poor, which is most of the country.

[a4morales]

amsterdam!!! are you kidding? do you live in Honduras?? Do not speak about a subject on which you are completely ignorant! ZELAYA is a criminal, if he returns he will be tried and imprisoned as such.

[amsterdam78]

Zalaya is currently trying to retake his rightfully elected place as president of Honduras. The Honduran right is heavily using propaganda to make this look like it wasn't a coup but everyone from the OAS to Obama is not backing them because of their coup. Don't fall for the counter intelligence. SP-USA(dot)Org.

[CloeBuckingham]

There is no immunity for criminals in Honduras, not even for presidents.

[amsterdam78]

Zelaya is not a criminal he is the legally elected president of Honduras. Elected by the people, not placed in power by the military. It is the current government that is criminal.

[Questfortruth86]

You fucking fascists lunatics have no respect for the law, for the people, or for freedom. Your ideology has wiped out any remanence of sanity whatsoever. The people have Honduras have spoken, you Marxian genocidal fascists will have to deal with it.

[amsterdam78]

The Zelaya government is not gone, the weight of the world is pressuring Honduras to return him to finish his elected term. If during that time he wishes to try and make changes to the constitution that is his prerogative. The bottom line is he's going to be returned to power.

[CloeBuckingham]

I hope you enjoy this video.