[1/15] The Only Son offered for Sacrifice: Isaac or Ismail?

[kevinscholes]

islam came 600 years after christianity 1000;s of years after judaism,

stop trying to hijaCK THE true path

[Metsada007]

Islam is the true path, it corrects the corruption of the Jews and Christians.

[Balavan]

@Metsada007

How?

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

if Jews had always been on the true path as you claim then why Christ was sent?

Judaism was indeed hijacked many times and many Jewish prophets were sent to bring Jews back to the true path and finally Christ came to bring Jews back to the true path.

Christianity was quickly hijacked and Mohammed came to bring Jews back to the true path and call all other nations to it.

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

1- That is what makes Islam supersedes all previous corrupted religions.

Deuteronomy 33: 1-3 (chronological order)

He said,

The LORD came from Sinai (Moses-Torah),

And DAWNED on them from Seir (Jesus-Gospel);

He SHONE forth from Mount Paran (Mohammed-Quran),

And He came from the midst of ten thousand holy ones; At His right hand there was flashing lightning for them.

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

Torah was revealed in Sinai, Gospel was revealed in Seir in Palestine and Quran was revealed in Mount Paran in Arabia.

The above prophecy talks about the three great prophets' messages; Moses, Jesus and Mohammed.

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

3- And compare that to the following verses:

Quran (geographical order)

[95:1] By the Fig and the Olive (Jesus-Gospel),

[95:2] And the Mount of Sinai (Moses-Torah),

[95:3] And this City of security (Mohammed-Quran),-

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

4-

[95:4] We have indeed created man in the best of moulds,

[95:5] Then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the low,-

[95:6] Except such as believe and do righteous deeds: For they shall have a reward unfailing.

[95:7] Then what can, after this, contradict thee, as to the judgment (to come)?

[95:8] Is not Allah the wisest of judges?

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

5- Do you know who inhabited Mount Paran and the wilderness of Paran? Read your bible and it will tell you that Ishmael, his mother and his descendants lived there.

{21:21} And he (Ishmael) dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.

[kevinscholes]

it was isaac, mohammed was a false prophet

Jesus said salvaton is of the jews

[shihabshihabi]

@kevinscholes

If Jesus said salvaton is of the jews then why Christian clergy men converted millions of non-Jews to christianity?

I agree that Moses and Jesus were limited to Jews and Mohammed sent to all humanity.

[Balavan]

@shihabshihabi

1 John 2:2

Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD

John 1:29

John the baptist saw jesus coming towards him and said 'look! the lamb of god who takes away the sin of the WORLD

Same goes for kevinscholes who needs to read bible more carefully.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

1- This is what the previous prophets spoke clearly and God does not lie:

Deuteronomy 24:16 - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

[Balavan]

@shihabshihabi

I'm glad you think God does not lie. However the Quran says Allah is the best of all decievers. As you seem to believe in the Old testament but doubt the new. Well so that your worldview is consistent your best option is to become a Jew.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

a. God does not lie but you do if you wear lying glasses when you read his word.

[3:54] And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

Are you saying that you do not believe in the Old Testament but only hold it as a donkey carrying binders which it did not understand?

[Balavan]

@shihabshihabi

Zechariah 2.10

Sing and rejoice oh daughter of Zion. For lo, I am coming and have DWELT in thy MIDST. An affirmation of Jehovah

Zechariah 12.10

And I God, have poured on the house of David a spirit of grace and supplication. And THEY have looked unto ME whom they PIERCED,

And they have mourned over it... like a bitterness over the first born.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

I have no clue what you are aiming at but it would not be a bad idea if you go to the oldest manuscript, wear Semitic glasses and try to understand what is metaphorically meant. When you end up with a thing that makes God less that purely unique, perfect, single and alone go back to the clear verses that says so and reject the ambiguous verses.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

b. [62:5] The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.

So you want to hold the Old Testament just to give you legitimacy and help you claim that you are not pagan while deny what is in it?

[Balavan]

@shihabshihabi

You are talking of yourself in that last paragraph. You will deny what is in it and turn to mecca to worship a stone.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

1) Since when I added the Old Testament to the collection of my canonized holy books to sought legitimacy from it and cherry pick what suites my desires? I happened to have the last update from God which supersedes and judges all previous corrupted versions. Nevertheless, the Old Testament still contains clear glimpses of truth which accord with my basic beliefs.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

2) People with sick perversive hearts like you tend to follow the part of the testaments that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings and reject verses which are clear, logical, basic, fundamental and with established meaning; which are the foundation of the book:

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

3) And when Muslim turn to Mecca or pray at a mosque they are heathens but when Jews or Christians turn to Jerusalem or the East and pray at a synagogue or a church full of statues and crosses they are pure monotheistic. What a retarded thinking!

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

c. I believe in truth no matter where and whom it comes from and doubt & deny false no matter where and whom it comes from. Most of my beliefs are included in the blue print of the New Testament but as you are one eyed you ignore what is in line with previous monotheistic prophets and favor the pagan Greek mythology part of it.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

d. [2:85] … Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

Why should I become Jew or Christian while I have the best of both Judaism and Christianity?

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

2-

Ezekiel 18:20 - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

[Balavan]

@shihabshihabi

Isaiah 53.5

And he is pierced for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities. The chastisment of our peace is on him, and by his bruise there is healing to us.

:7 it hath been exacted and he hath answered, and he openeth not his mouth, as a lamb to the slaughter he is brought.

:9 and it appointed with the wicked his grave... he hath done no violence nor is deciet in his mouth.

:10 Jehovah hath willed to bruise him.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

" and he openeth not his mouth, as a lamb to the slaughter he is brought

"

Matthew {27:46} And about the ninth hour Jesus "cried with a loud voice", saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast you forsaken me?

His mouth was wide open.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

So give me another guess.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

3- And since when God asked his servants to believe blindly in a book written by an unknown person (who did not claim that he is a prophet of God nor that his book is the word of God) and reported by unknown reporter and was a result of translation of translation of translation and a copy of copy of copy?

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

4- And if Jesus is the Lamb of God, the Prophet o God, the Son of Man, the Son of David, the Son of Jesse, then when are you going to be sane and know that he is not divine?

[Balavan]

@shihabshihabi

Luke 1:35

And the messanger answering said to her "the Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy begotten thing shall be called Son of God.

[shihabshihabi]

@Balavan

Provide me with the names of known and trust-worthy reporters who must constitute an unbroken chain of reporters up to Mary that the above dialogue exactly happened.

If you can not, I can provide you with the names of known and trust-worthy reporters who constitute an unbroken chain of reporters up to God that a totally different dialogue happened.