There is no official source for the Rafale RCS, but unofficial sources all converge toward the same conclusion : In addition to it's active electronic stealth system SPECTRA, the Rafale has a very low RCS, estimated around 0.1-0.2 square-meters. We are very far from a skyscraper.
Oh yes, also the 2009 ATLC in the UAE pointed that Rafale's RCS is around 16 times lower than Eurofighter's one, and 20 times inferior to Mirage 2000/F-16 or F-18 ones.
Not really. F-22 and F-35 have passive stealth (by their geometry and surface materials), Rafale have both passive (by it's surface materials and some details - Shark shaped air intakes and others) and active (electronic spectra system) stealth.
The Rafale is a French-built wanna-be...It lacks stealth, has less than 21st century radar, and is flown by a country who surrenders more often than fights.
I find it hilarious when Americans get going with the whole " we saved your ass" thing. I think a few of them need to take a tour to the statue of liberty and find out how it got to be there.
Also while the US played a part in the 2nd world war , by no means did they play the only role nor did they play the biggest role ( as far as europe goes anyway)
@Antifaith29 well Rommel sure as hell had an easy time driving around the maginot line. Had war materials made in the united states not reached British shores Europe's plight would have been as bright as a fresh pile of shit. Last I checked a mostly American force stormed the shore of Normandy. An American force freed Paris. America came to fight France's battle in Vietnam... that was a flop. Help the French enslave the Vietnamese. Imperialistic assholes as always... thank you though for ARW!
@jeadelmann90 Mostly american at normandy? youve just proven you get your history from movies. Check, sword, gold and juno .
Wow...
Just fucking wow..
American involvement in vietnam had NOTHING to do with france and you know it. They just happened to be there first.
Also, dont make the assumption that i'm french. Im just someone that is smart enough to not base history on what hollywood tells me. Next you'll be talking about the brave americans that captured the enigma lol
@Antifaith29 Little impassioned... sorry. It just seems that there is a silly attitude between both nations that never give each other the credit and appreciation that is deserved. Of course other european nations took part in the invasion... Pols, Brits, Canadians ect. My statement was an over generalization. Normandy was massive and necessitated all hands on deck. America at times is overly credited with the success of Overlord and the liberation effort.
@Antifaith29 And of course the Vietnam war was a relative waste and in many ways unnecessary. Loads of aircraft, soldiers, on both sides, were lost in vain. Private Ryan, We were soldiers ect. are by no means a substitute for study and research... also I like to troll and seldom mean, believe, or care what I post... XD... btw may I ask your nationality? I'm German btw.
@jeadelmann90 I'm Australian. I dont know if it's something to be proud of or not these days but, my family ( including myself) has fought in every war my country was involved in since the second boer war. That's 13 odd conflicts.
I used to be fairly proud of that. These days i avoid talking about it, especialy my fathers ( vietnam) and mine ( a-stan) Lest some over the top uni student asshole decide to tell us were killing babies.
Anyway, dunno where that came from lol, take it easy.
@Antifaith29 Interesting... May I ask if when your tour ended or if you are currently stationed in Afghanistan? I've an American friend who is stationed there. A radio operator... Also (if you don't mind my asking) what is your round about stance on Collation evolvement? Is it America's war? or is there something to be gained by the other nations whom are involved? I myself, as most of my nation are at odds... for the longest time it was to be a peace keeping operation for germany...
@jeadelmann90 I'm out now. I work as a contractor in the construction industry. I was 7 brigade , 6 Bat (RAR) motorised (armoured) infantry toward the end of 05 deployed till oct 06 in support of the SOTG (operation slipper).
It wasnt just the towers that got attacked, Australians were targeted in Bali when the nighclub was bombed, the English had the attacks on the tube ect. Those bastards pretty much attacked us all so i was happy to go help out.
@Antifaith29 liberty is as noble a cause as any... and servitude in defense of ones believes, honor, and nation are as well. I've enjoyed conversing with you... have a pleasant evening... Auf wiedersehen...
@jeadelmann90 But, that's not why i went. It's just the job to do it, ya know? You dont join the army to play cards all day and talk about shit lol. It was boring as hell most of the time but i'd do it again. I try and stay out of the politics. Only time i ever say anything is when people start bagging the blokes that do the job. ( not that you were, i cant even remember how this started lol)
Respond to this video... and the NATO no fly zone imposed on Libya was ridiculous. Armed militia-men do not equate to batter civilians... NATO had no right to get involved... besides its a ludicrous drain on an economy if a nation decides to constantly indulge in the fires of war. I just have misgivings about peace keeping missions that turn into mini conflicts... not really related to my first question but Was vom teufel! XD... wir sehen uns später freund... Bis nachher
@jeadelmann90 might is Right didn't u know they had as "much right" to get Lybia's OIL as they did to Iraq Even of course saddam was a Ruthless dictator n Gaddafi was Not they both had OIL all for the benefit of big corporations that rule most "free" governments to predent the UN means anything is to play make believe FA else a country has resourses multinationals want they will get Unless that country Is protected by Russia n maybe China they had it the rest is just talk
@Antifaith29 its because these hippies grow up in a peaceful society, they have no fucking clue how brutal the world is.... Hippies = fucking morons.....
@Baseshocks you are right this world is Brutal But has it also occured to you that Hippies all they want is an idialistic peacefull world? you been realistic knows this is not going to happen till Jesus returns the believe they can acheeve this B4 in some ways you both right
@omgitshardtofindID LOL we owe our existence to nobody, and let me tell you that:
You call us arrogant while you say we owe our existence to you?
YOU are the arrogant asshole.
Now let me descend to your level, and be an asshole. UK wouldn't exist without France(Guillaume le conquérant?). USA wouldn't exit without France (1780?). Contary to France which would exist even if lost WW2 (Vichy france) You are both the stupid arrogant countries who owe their existence to us and who can't get over it
@omgitshardtofindID "There's no nation, no democracy which can write its own History without acknowledging a debt or a direct influence to France" - Theodore Zeldin. "There have been 53 major wars in Europe. France had been a belligerent in 49 of them. In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10, giving the French military the best record of any country in world." - BBC History
@omgitshardtofindID "It was a typical Arrogant French thing, lets show those Anglo-Americans we don't need them"
So you call us fags cowards white flags, and when we go to war first without any help you call us arrogant???
Do you realise how much your acting stupidly?
I never understood why you are so racist against the french in your countries. Your culture your stereotypes your newsppers your politicians all make fun/insult the french nomatter what, here in France most people likes UK/USA
@niksarass BlahBlahblah.... " your newsppers your politicians all make fun/insult the french nomatter what " -> it's been a while since some good newspapper or polictian did that ( even through wikileaks ^^ ). And never did a newspaper or a politician insult the fench people. Whatever they're doing, we're doing the same here in France ( or so). Moreover, most of he UK/US people like the french people. You're just feeding the troll.
@rafaletiger 'en fait on en sait rien de la discretion du rafale,personne ne calcul une RCS a l'oeuil ! et personne ne connait les capacité de jamming de spectra (qui a quand meme couté quelques milliards) je suis pret a parier qu'il a une signature IR reduite par rapport au F22 (les forme stealth pour le radar n'aide pas a reduire l'echauffement de l'air sur la structure), et on sait en 2011 bien jammer des missiles EM mais moins bien les missile IR modernes (discremination des flares etc..)
On sait qu'elle sera supérieure au F35, c'est pour ca qu'ils font un démonstrateur rafale pour améliorer la furtivité du rafale depuis 2009, sinon le rapport du rafale au f35, sera celui de l'eurofighter au rafale.
En dehors des pb de couts, les F35A&C seront de bons avions, leur ventes n'incluront pas les couts de R&D, l'erreur majeure a été d'intégrer le F35B, Quand au f22, l'alr94 n'a rien à envier à spectra, J'ai lu que spectra avait couté 5 Milliards. Aux Indes un F35 est proposé à 65M$.
J'avais oublié que les avions doivent integrer la reduction de leur émission ir et em lors
des manoeuvre en vol pour la 5th generation.
Le f22 dispose d'un système qui amplifie sa signature leur de vol normaux pour éviter qu'on la mesure.
Si le F35 n'est pas supérieur à un F16 sur le plan aero-dynamique, la furtivité devient un atout maitre dans son cas et son système eots le rend redoutable. Le rafale est contraint de s'améliorer encore si il veut faire le poids dans les offres.
Argentina hundió varios buques ingleses con naves francesas (super etendard) y con misiles franceses (exocet) , durante la guerra de las Islas Malvinas , los ingleses tenían una tecnología superior , sin embargo la inteligencia y el coraje de los pilotos argentinos y la calidad de los aviones y misiles franceses fueron una combinación mortal muy peligrosa para los ingleses, los cuales ganaron sucia y abusivamente.
Française de l'industrie militaire est le meilleur du monde. salutasions
@Janith1980 ya it does and the developers of the aircraft were going to make it retract but the french government did not want it too...... maybe they are just cutting maintenance costs?
@omgitshardtofindID yeah if it was a Hollywood movie, anglo-americans would be in libya in 3 hours and kill them all in 1 hour. But in real life my friend, France has a faster and better capability of response, that's why! And btw...one US F-15 got crashed without even fighting. I've never seen that in your Hollywoodian movies ;)
@omgitshardtofindID Indeed the SCALP is the french version of the StormShadow and can be launch from frigates FREMM, maybe Lafayette class and Barracuda submarin (just comissioned). "without getting shot down" you refer to the US F15 ?
@N1cholas240 Stop dreaming... The 2008 last test before the full production reported a 70Km range (42 miles or so). 200Km is just a non sense, you know nothing about military aircrafts. 70-100Km are amazing ranges for air-air missiles where you need it to be light (to save payload) and agile to avoid dodging. For your information the USAF entered in the Meteor program to have an alternative to the 120D for the F22/F35... yes eat your fingers : french missiles
@N1cholas240 sory my bad the aim 120D range is of 110km (acording to wikipedia) but any way you can't lock f-22 or Rafale at that range so this is only useful aigainst 3d gen aircraft :)
yes but the range varies from 50-65km but to have 200km range u would need to bild a biger misile to carry more fuel and do majors aérodynamics inpruvement.
None aircraft in the world is undetectable. Even the f-22 has a radar signature. The f-22 and Rafale are both very "discreet" planes. But when the Rafale is a snake, the f-22 is a ghost... and the Eurofighter is an elephant XD.
EF is a wonderful fighter but it was made for air superiority not ground attack and it can't operate from carier. I am not saying that any of them is better they are just different.
The problem with the Rafale is that it has never been sold to any other contry so not much people know about its real capabilitys.
it is a very agile jet that is very capable in a dog-fight : it beat eurofighter 9-1 in 2009, it also has hig thech avionic combined with half stealth. it deservs better than to bee treated as "yersterday's technology".
@Tihamah3 What we all know is that Rafale has stealth capabilities : a great frontal RCS, very advanced RAM and active stealth (radar cancellation). However, we don't know its real capacities as it is of course, like US technologies, classified. But don't think a second this is not because it has no stealth design it's not stealth. Passive stealth design (like F22/F117) IS YESTERDAY TECHNOLOGY. F22 has great active stealth technology, Rafale without a doubt has too, never underestimate France
@Tihamah3 Notice that the Rafale is the only fighter that has full passive EW, this means its electronic warefare can be set on passive mode and still keep its stealth capabilities. F22 has definitly the most advanced stealth technology BUT it does not have a "full passive" mode. So systems like Spectra can detect it and recognize its EW signatures, launch long distance missiles like the Meteor. Spectra can do that in passive mode
@Tihamah3 "very dectable" : That's why Lyberian radars were silent while french rafales were patroling and bombing ?? Are you that blind in front of facts ?
@7Kronos liberian radar? what kind of radar does liberia have, i would be suprised if they have a radar actually, the best they can have is 1951 Soviet radar was handed out to liberia to get rid of the junk piling in ware houses in russia.
The Rafale is probably already equipped with the Spectra and stealth, the Rafale in Libya were able to fly Libyan airspace and destroy ground targets without being detected and destroyed by anti-aircraft defence. That is why the Rafale were the first to go on fighting while the Tornado and F15 had to wait until the tomahawk and B2 destroy the air defense of Qaddafi ...
@ContreJours Oui, mais je crois que la vraie orthographe est "Kadhafi" , en plus j'ai vu sur d'autres forums anglophones ou Kadhafi a été écrit de diverses manières
@MilitaryAircraft101 Are we splitting hairs? So Rafael is as detecable as a standard beach ball & F-35 is as detacable as a container of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. I'm seriously thinking skillful piloting make both of these fighters 'needles in a haystack' with standard military detection systms. Having said that, one needs to look to the capabilities of the crafts: Rafael is faster, longer range, can carry more weapons, and is very meneuverable & 50% cheaper. What if stealth gets detectable?
@good2goskee Not ben & jerry's, golf ball... I agree with your comments, but for now 1. F-22, 2. F-35 (PAK FA WHEN IT ENTERS SERVICE) 3. Su-35/37 4/5. Rafale/Typhoon. REally, it will depend on a pilot, but now, stealth rules.
@MilitaryAircraft101 do we really know if stealth rules? F-35 and F-22 are not battle tested. I remember the F-117 hype in the 90s yet the Serbs blasted one out of the sky using 1960s technology. I think there is far too many eggs in the stealth basket. Also, I'm thinking if countries make stealth (china, US, Russia, France ect.) than they likely know ways to detect it.
@good2goskee God they'll never live that down will they? THe weapons bay doors got jammed open for an unusually long period of time, allowing SAM lock from the Serbs
@MilitaryAircraft101 there is also another incident where an Australian crew detected the f-117 by flicking their radar on an off. My point is not to isolate a one-off incident but rather to suggest that putting all one's eggs into the stealth basket is dangerous- especially when the performance is outmatched.
@MilitaryAircraft101 DUDE!!! the modern cutting edge technology 30 years ago was foiled by 30 year old (or older technology) the Aussies were using. Comparing the F-117 to today is not what I'm talking about.
This is a relative comparison if F-35s or F-22s are potentially foiled by current technology that is tweeked. Don't you think it is reasonable that countries that make stealth: US, Russia/India, China, and Euros would know how to detect stealth?
@good2goskee Point taken. For every measure there is a countermeasure right? But if the US could detect conventional stealth, wouldn't they make an effort for their aircraft to be undetectable! And also, if they could detect stealth, why would they invest in it? Cheers
@MilitaryAircraft101 lovely chatting with you too. I suppose we'll not really know how the f-35/f-22 perform until they are truly up against surface and/or formidable air targets like the Su's 30+, Mig 35s ect. As it stands, the Rafael looks like they have caught much attention with the world. I have been saying since the start that the Libyan intervention was a show case for mainly French weapons. Expect sales soon!
@good2goskee I will! If the RAN ever gets round to an aircraft carrier, I'd love to see some Rafale's take up the deck! They are formidable! But you're right, we'll never know till they're combat tested! Thankyou!
Since the beginning. Active stealth is guaranteed by the Spectra System. The Rafale don't use geometric forms to lower it's RCS, but Materials and Electronic counter-measures.
Current price of a Typhoon: 272 milion € (78% of over cost),
For a European project that is not bright .
Look at the last british report, a Typhoon is far more expensive than a Rafale, you can buy two Rafale for one Typhoon, and the upgrade to reach the capacities for ground attack missions would be available only in 2018 whereas the Rafale is already able to accomplish this type of missions.
No, it depends on the rol of the fighter, the Eurofighter is much better than any other jet at multi-role purposes and it far better than the rafle with joint operations with the Navy.
@mwillis1000 Sure ? the Typhoon can't bombing accurately, no navy version, only air-air role, and air-air technologies similar or less efficient than Rafale's tech, dogfights proved it ! waiting for further Typhoon upgrades.
Yeah, it is better at joint operations with the navy than anyother new jet. As i have said The rafle is better than the Eurofighter in some ways and in other ways the Eurofighter is better.
@titiboo90 does buyers care about development costs ?...
also, Rafale project has been help by mirage 4000 project and his long time development without pre series aircraft made the programm cost less expansive than the typhoon programm.
and the typhoon one showed than 4 aircrafts makers do the plane more expensive than one, with his left and right wings build in differents location...
but the true thing is the Rafale is better than the typhoon
The tech is better in eurofighter. Did you know that Eurofighter has Solid State tech! Thats AESA tech mate. And its been using it for years. Did you know that a lot of those incredible systems on the F35 are made by BAE. Eurofighter may sell at a high price. But damn that tech it has is worth the cost.
@G777GUN what you tell is only spéculation give some proofs... F35 is not an incredible aircraft... And it is partly developped by BAE USA, not BAE britain. Type on google:
Nice excersise photos. I mean Eurofighter has BVR, war setting and stealth materials. Did you know that the Luftwaffe beat the Rafale 0-2. they said they enjoyed the greater thrust advantage. How else do you beat somthing that manuevers well. You go straight up and come down like a meteorite.
@G777GUN I remember that the Luftwaffe beat a Rafale F1... and it was not BVR (Beyond Vision Range) exercise, it was a dogfight. Did you ever see the IR signature of the EF2000 ? it is like a sun in the noght... Well maybe EF2000 is a little stealth but not in IR vision...
Yeah I saw that IR comparison video. Amazing how the camera changes for Rafale. Wont help anyway because IRST is so sensitive it can detect the heat of the skin even at subsonic speeds.
Well, "generations" don't really make any difference. It's just a number, it's absolutely not representative of anything, and guess who gets to say whose generation a plane his: the company that builds it.
Based on the technology on that thing, it clearly makes it on par with planes such as the F-22.
The Rafale, just as a minor correction, is NOT a 5a generation fighter, but a 4a generation. The only active fighter in the world today is the american F-22 Raptor There are plans for others and the chinese tested an aircraft that may or may not be one also, but I don't have the info to confirm.
@joujoucas The only active fighter? Somebody is really new to the real world. The F series airplanes are a waste of money. Granted they do use some tech that a decent amount of European companies didnt want, but that doesnt make them great. With a thrust vector add on the Eurofighter Typhoon can take on and defeat a great deal of American planes.
@gameplaya117 First of all, keep you "funny"comments to yourself. It's a FACT that the only FIFTH generation fighter active today is the F-22. Im'm not saying this or that is better. You are the one who needs to "get to the real world", ok? Check your facts before critizing other people's comments and, before you answer, try to READ first EVERYTHING.
I think today it is risky to invest in stealth combat aircraft, because of their costs and new radar technologies that are increasingly sophisticated. This was proven with the F117, a stealth aircraft will one day be detected either. On that score, the Rafale is perfect thanks to its IR signature
@eikkkN Everyone brings up the F-117 getting shot sown in the Balkins. The F-117 was flying very low and the old Rusian SAM system did not have a hightech radar. The F-117 flew alot of missions and there has only been the one shot down. Also the newer stealth of the US use alot different skin and the US has learned alot about stealth over the years. If you notice the Rusians are trying to build Su 50 and China is trying to build J 22 both are suppose to be stealth. I dob't think its a waist.
Inofficial info, from pilot rafale observation after exercice, rafale can detect at double distance an eurofigther than a rafale, with the mode passiv spectra without activation radar. that mean the SER/RCS of EF2000 is 16 time superior to rafale. that explain why ef2000 is destroy by rafale in bvr mode at each confrontation. Rafale had a SER/RCS 20 time inferior to M2000/f16/F18,only f22 can answer. atlc confirm it.
@eikkkN And where on earth have you gotten this information? Please do reference me a source of that, because the Mirage 2000 haven't even been at the same exercises as the F-22 so I find that impossible to start with. And no disrespect to the Mirage 2000, because it's an amazing plane and has served its time well, but there's simply no chance in hell that it would have any chance against an F-22 in air-air battle. The Rafale, yes, but the Mirage 2000, no. Definitely no.
@wellerocks source: strategy page and other french websites.
So, months after the fact, new "leaks" keep coming out of that ATLC exercise in the UAE. The latest one is that a UAEAF Mirage 2000-9, flown by a French pilot, got an F-22 into its gunsights.
it was taking place when this occurred. It's also "interesting" that all these "leaks" from the French keep coming out. It's almost like they had some kind of marketing effort and were trying to make an impression on someone.
@eikkkN Would you be so very kind and e-mail me your source? I know the Royal Air Force have had some interesting encounters with the F-22 due to having PIRATE-IRST tracking system aswell as the LITENING pod. That makes it able to observe and lock onto small IR targets from large distances. Some rumors has it that the Eurofighter managed to lock onto the F-22 but never haven gotten a kill.
@wellerocks the Mirage 2000 and Rafale are great and amazing French plane...
I'm sure any Mirage 2000 can destroy without effort an F-22, the French technology are only underestimate that's all.
in this video Raffale VS F16 watch?v=DfqJYyPevvw&feature=related
the superiority of French plane was obvious after their exercise with the French navy the American was ashamed about their airplane because they failed against our Rafale.
@minhounou I know French planes are highly underestimated just like our Swedish Gripen. And I'm very well informed of the great records and capabilities of the Rafale and the Mirage 2000. The 2 Swedish Gripens intercepted 6 F-16 aggressors during Red Flag. The 2 Swedes managed to down all enemies and continued safely back home. Both the Rafale and the Gripen are two amongst the best 4.5 generation fighter jets in the world.
@wellerocks yes, both are great. I think for a little country like Sweden with only 9 million inhabitants you did a good job. you can have a strong army if you will have 64 million inhabitants like France you will be probably one of the strongest country in the world. you army is good but too much tiny. but at least you have some good military technology.
The aft bulkhead of the F-35B BH-1 fatigue-test specimen has developed cracks after 1,500 hours of durability testing, Ares has learned. This is less than one-tenth of the planned fatigue test program, which is designed to prove an 8,000-hour airframe life with a safety factor of two.
The Rafale has the radar reflection of a skyscraper, but it's an awesome looking fighter. Sac le bleu!
gmorganInFlorida 2 months ago
@gmorganInFlorida
There is no official source for the Rafale RCS, but unofficial sources all converge toward the same conclusion : In addition to it's active electronic stealth system SPECTRA, the Rafale has a very low RCS, estimated around 0.1-0.2 square-meters. We are very far from a skyscraper.
chenoir 3 weeks ago
@gmorganInFlorida
Oh yes, also the 2009 ATLC in the UAE pointed that Rafale's RCS is around 16 times lower than Eurofighter's one, and 20 times inferior to Mirage 2000/F-16 or F-18 ones.
chenoir 3 weeks ago
Youtube is for videos not pictures!
And Rafale have reduced RCS but its not stealth like f-22 or f-35
DiggesKnoedel17 3 months ago
@DiggesKnoedel17
Not really. F-22 and F-35 have passive stealth (by their geometry and surface materials), Rafale have both passive (by it's surface materials and some details - Shark shaped air intakes and others) and active (electronic spectra system) stealth.
chenoir 1 month ago
@chenoir
Well, but rafale is still not that stealthy like the F-22 or F-35
DiggesKnoedel17 2 weeks ago
@DiggesKnoedel17 Yes, but F-22 can't do shit.
Invisible and useless. Might as well not be here.
sharpiellll 1 week ago
Title :The rafale-French what?
paulcadaver 3 months ago
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The Rafale is a French-built wanna-be...It lacks stealth, has less than 21st century radar, and is flown by a country who surrenders more often than fights.
floridafloyd1 4 months ago
@floridafloyd1 yes just like you in vietnam ^ ^
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
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floridafloyd1 4 months ago 2
I find it hilarious when Americans get going with the whole " we saved your ass" thing. I think a few of them need to take a tour to the statue of liberty and find out how it got to be there.
Also while the US played a part in the 2nd world war , by no means did they play the only role nor did they play the biggest role ( as far as europe goes anyway)
Stop believing in what hollywood tells you.
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 well Rommel sure as hell had an easy time driving around the maginot line. Had war materials made in the united states not reached British shores Europe's plight would have been as bright as a fresh pile of shit. Last I checked a mostly American force stormed the shore of Normandy. An American force freed Paris. America came to fight France's battle in Vietnam... that was a flop. Help the French enslave the Vietnamese. Imperialistic assholes as always... thank you though for ARW!
jeadelmann90 4 months ago
@jeadelmann90 Mostly american at normandy? youve just proven you get your history from movies. Check, sword, gold and juno .
Wow...
Just fucking wow..
American involvement in vietnam had NOTHING to do with france and you know it. They just happened to be there first.
Also, dont make the assumption that i'm french. Im just someone that is smart enough to not base history on what hollywood tells me. Next you'll be talking about the brave americans that captured the enigma lol
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 Little impassioned... sorry. It just seems that there is a silly attitude between both nations that never give each other the credit and appreciation that is deserved. Of course other european nations took part in the invasion... Pols, Brits, Canadians ect. My statement was an over generalization. Normandy was massive and necessitated all hands on deck. America at times is overly credited with the success of Overlord and the liberation effort.
jeadelmann90 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 And of course the Vietnam war was a relative waste and in many ways unnecessary. Loads of aircraft, soldiers, on both sides, were lost in vain. Private Ryan, We were soldiers ect. are by no means a substitute for study and research... also I like to troll and seldom mean, believe, or care what I post... XD... btw may I ask your nationality? I'm German btw.
jeadelmann90 4 months ago
@jeadelmann90 I'm Australian. I dont know if it's something to be proud of or not these days but, my family ( including myself) has fought in every war my country was involved in since the second boer war. That's 13 odd conflicts.
I used to be fairly proud of that. These days i avoid talking about it, especialy my fathers ( vietnam) and mine ( a-stan) Lest some over the top uni student asshole decide to tell us were killing babies.
Anyway, dunno where that came from lol, take it easy.
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 Interesting... May I ask if when your tour ended or if you are currently stationed in Afghanistan? I've an American friend who is stationed there. A radio operator... Also (if you don't mind my asking) what is your round about stance on Collation evolvement? Is it America's war? or is there something to be gained by the other nations whom are involved? I myself, as most of my nation are at odds... for the longest time it was to be a peace keeping operation for germany...
jeadelmann90 4 months ago
@jeadelmann90 I'm out now. I work as a contractor in the construction industry. I was 7 brigade , 6 Bat (RAR) motorised (armoured) infantry toward the end of 05 deployed till oct 06 in support of the SOTG (operation slipper).
It wasnt just the towers that got attacked, Australians were targeted in Bali when the nighclub was bombed, the English had the attacks on the tube ect. Those bastards pretty much attacked us all so i was happy to go help out.
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 liberty is as noble a cause as any... and servitude in defense of ones believes, honor, and nation are as well. I've enjoyed conversing with you... have a pleasant evening... Auf wiedersehen...
jeadelmann90 4 months ago
@jeadelmann90 Thanks, ive enjoyed it also. Have a good one ,mate.
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@jeadelmann90 But, that's not why i went. It's just the job to do it, ya know? You dont join the army to play cards all day and talk about shit lol. It was boring as hell most of the time but i'd do it again. I try and stay out of the politics. Only time i ever say anything is when people start bagging the blokes that do the job. ( not that you were, i cant even remember how this started lol)
Antifaith29 4 months ago
Respond to this video... and the NATO no fly zone imposed on Libya was ridiculous. Armed militia-men do not equate to batter civilians... NATO had no right to get involved... besides its a ludicrous drain on an economy if a nation decides to constantly indulge in the fires of war. I just have misgivings about peace keeping missions that turn into mini conflicts... not really related to my first question but Was vom teufel! XD... wir sehen uns später freund... Bis nachher
jeadelmann90 4 months ago
@jeadelmann90 might is Right didn't u know they had as "much right" to get Lybia's OIL as they did to Iraq Even of course saddam was a Ruthless dictator n Gaddafi was Not they both had OIL all for the benefit of big corporations that rule most "free" governments to predent the UN means anything is to play make believe FA else a country has resourses multinationals want they will get Unless that country Is protected by Russia n maybe China they had it the rest is just talk
polygamous1 4 weeks ago
@Antifaith29 its because these hippies grow up in a peaceful society, they have no fucking clue how brutal the world is.... Hippies = fucking morons.....
Baseshocks 3 months ago
@Baseshocks you are right this world is Brutal But has it also occured to you that Hippies all they want is an idialistic peacefull world? you been realistic knows this is not going to happen till Jesus returns the believe they can acheeve this B4 in some ways you both right
polygamous1 4 weeks ago
rafale is not strength bro
xcoollynch 4 months ago
The Rafale is not stealth like the Raptor but it is
Kwady76 4 months ago
why french say it is stealth?
YiannisThiakos 4 months ago
@YiannisThiakos it is semi stealth
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
@YiannisThiakos low RCS + best ECM suite (SPECTRA)
eikkkN 4 months ago
IN ANY CASE THE FRENCH MAKE A LOT SPEAK About them
Loic2659 5 months ago
rafale is not stealth i thing .... it is???
PoisoNFanguS 5 months ago
Contrary to you we don't have stereotypes against you, we don't have politicians and newspapers oppenly insulting you.
Most of the french like UK USA, but let me tell you that. Its WAY undeserved.
You don't deserve the respect and admiration french have towards you, the only thing you do is insult/lie to other countries, make fun of them.
No wonder why europe/The world hates you both
niksarass 5 months ago
@omgitshardtofindID LOL we owe our existence to nobody, and let me tell you that:
You call us arrogant while you say we owe our existence to you?
YOU are the arrogant asshole.
Now let me descend to your level, and be an asshole. UK wouldn't exist without France(Guillaume le conquérant?). USA wouldn't exit without France (1780?). Contary to France which would exist even if lost WW2 (Vichy france) You are both the stupid arrogant countries who owe their existence to us and who can't get over it
niksarass 5 months ago
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@omgitshardtofindID "There's no nation, no democracy which can write its own History without acknowledging a debt or a direct influence to France" - Theodore Zeldin. "There have been 53 major wars in Europe. France had been a belligerent in 49 of them. In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10, giving the French military the best record of any country in world." - BBC History
Just Sayin...
sovaah0novaa 5 months ago
@omgitshardtofindID "It was a typical Arrogant French thing, lets show those Anglo-Americans we don't need them"
So you call us fags cowards white flags, and when we go to war first without any help you call us arrogant???
Do you realise how much your acting stupidly?
I never understood why you are so racist against the french in your countries. Your culture your stereotypes your newsppers your politicians all make fun/insult the french nomatter what, here in France most people likes UK/USA
niksarass 5 months ago
@niksarass BlahBlahblah.... " your newsppers your politicians all make fun/insult the french nomatter what " -> it's been a while since some good newspapper or polictian did that ( even through wikileaks ^^ ). And never did a newspaper or a politician insult the fench people. Whatever they're doing, we're doing the same here in France ( or so). Moreover, most of he UK/US people like the french people. You're just feeding the troll.
TheDavid5095 5 months ago
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@TheDavid5095 "And never did a newspaper or a politician insult the fench people."
You obviously are talking out of your ass, how about you make a little research or just look tv news before talking?
"UK/US people like the french people"
i loled
Quand on sait pas on se tait.
niksarass 5 months ago
Pour etre de 5 generation, voila les critères
Etre furtif sur tous les cotés, chez le rafale, partiel sur face avant, peu mieux faire.
Super Crosiere, Mach 1.2, 4 missile ou bombe 1 reservoir, ok
Extrême agilité, ok, le rafale a une bonne aérodynamique
Altitude 15000m, le rafale peut monter à 16000m, c'est ok
Missile loadout, non le rafale n'a pas de coffre ventral.
Fusion des capteurs oui, excellent sur le rafale
Travail en réseau, oui
Si il améliore la furtivité du rafale, il le sera.
rafaletiger 6 months ago
@rafaletiger 'en fait on en sait rien de la discretion du rafale,personne ne calcul une RCS a l'oeuil ! et personne ne connait les capacité de jamming de spectra (qui a quand meme couté quelques milliards) je suis pret a parier qu'il a une signature IR reduite par rapport au F22 (les forme stealth pour le radar n'aide pas a reduire l'echauffement de l'air sur la structure), et on sait en 2011 bien jammer des missiles EM mais moins bien les missile IR modernes (discremination des flares etc..)
bingofioul 5 months ago
On sait qu'elle sera supérieure au F35, c'est pour ca qu'ils font un démonstrateur rafale pour améliorer la furtivité du rafale depuis 2009, sinon le rapport du rafale au f35, sera celui de l'eurofighter au rafale.
En dehors des pb de couts, les F35A&C seront de bons avions, leur ventes n'incluront pas les couts de R&D, l'erreur majeure a été d'intégrer le F35B, Quand au f22, l'alr94 n'a rien à envier à spectra, J'ai lu que spectra avait couté 5 Milliards. Aux Indes un F35 est proposé à 65M$.
rafaletiger 5 months ago
J'avais oublié que les avions doivent integrer la reduction de leur émission ir et em lors
des manoeuvre en vol pour la 5th generation.
Le f22 dispose d'un système qui amplifie sa signature leur de vol normaux pour éviter qu'on la mesure.
Si le F35 n'est pas supérieur à un F16 sur le plan aero-dynamique, la furtivité devient un atout maitre dans son cas et son système eots le rend redoutable. Le rafale est contraint de s'améliorer encore si il veut faire le poids dans les offres.
rafaletiger 5 months ago
@MsArzens Comment détruire sa crédibilité en 2 lignes...
ZbLuffer 6 months ago
Well it was easy to see in all the pictures.
So for a stealth plane it is an epic fail.
Photonzos 6 months ago
c koi la musique ?
BlackEagle708 7 months ago
*Super Etendard = avion
pablo88bsas 7 months ago
Argentina hundió varios buques ingleses con naves francesas (super etendard) y con misiles franceses (exocet) , durante la guerra de las Islas Malvinas , los ingleses tenían una tecnología superior , sin embargo la inteligencia y el coraje de los pilotos argentinos y la calidad de los aviones y misiles franceses fueron una combinación mortal muy peligrosa para los ingleses, los cuales ganaron sucia y abusivamente.
Française de l'industrie militaire est le meilleur du monde. salutasions
pablo88bsas 7 months ago
Doesn't the refueling hook create drag? can it be retracted?
Janith1980 7 months ago
@Janith1980 ya it does and the developers of the aircraft were going to make it retract but the french government did not want it too...... maybe they are just cutting maintenance costs?
Baseshocks 6 months ago
This could have been a good plane for the Italian air craft carriers, but unfortunately... they choosed the f35SOMETHING
215alessio 8 months ago
has it got stealth technology _????
aberhan8 8 months ago
RAFALE is the most beautiful modern airplane.And is performant.Based in BA 113 at Saint-Dizier. 7km from home.LOVE IT when they pass.Sometimes lower
VIVE LE RAFALE
Vinger55 8 months ago
LOOOOOOOOVVVVVEEEEEE <3 <3 <3
Layousse18 8 months ago
@N1cholas240 no I saw this in a vid they only admited it when it was canceled.
micou199619 8 months ago
@N1cholas240 yea but i am talking about at the start of the prodject wear they hid the 350million
micou199619 8 months ago
@N1cholas240 yea but at the start they didn't say it cost 350million.
micou199619 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 y the fuck wold its price decrese.
micou199619 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 The Raptor used to cost 350m and now 143m ? what ?
eikkkN 9 months ago
FRENCH STEALTH RAFALE. PROJECT - Rafale F5 5G
DEDIRA is now the official name of the global project to reduce rafale radar signature which contain passive and active solutions.
-Improved air intake design
-New generation RAM
-Stealth Cocoon and hard point to hide weapons
-GaN spectra
-Other features kept secret by the french Mod
rafaletiger 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 Yeah, you called Santa Claus and hop, -50% haha stop say shit.
eikkkN 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 yep just look at the f-22 programe they hided the f-22 real price until it was canceld.
micou199619 9 months ago
derp derp french planes sucks derp derp derp america ftw derp derp derp libya.
MrStaxxy 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 US navy and air force only say shit.
micou199619 9 months ago
@omgitshardtofindID The old Tornados flew 2days after the Rafales and the Tomahawk strikes. And I can assure the F15 was shot down.
eikkkN 9 months ago
@omgitshardtofindID yeah if it was a Hollywood movie, anglo-americans would be in libya in 3 hours and kill them all in 1 hour. But in real life my friend, France has a faster and better capability of response, that's why! And btw...one US F-15 got crashed without even fighting. I've never seen that in your Hollywoodian movies ;)
torpado974 9 months ago 20
@torpado974 i get that american propaganda sucks but you shouldn't make fun of their casualties just to shut some clueless prick...
boss180888 7 months ago
@N1cholas240 The fact that we don't have a precise range proves that it is propaganda, sory time to get back to the real world.
micou199619 9 months ago
@omgitshardtofindID Indeed the SCALP is the french version of the StormShadow and can be launch from frigates FREMM, maybe Lafayette class and Barracuda submarin (just comissioned). "without getting shot down" you refer to the US F15 ?
eikkkN 9 months ago
@omgitshardtofindID nonsense. French also used cruise missile SCALP (14).
eikkkN 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 Stop dreaming... The 2008 last test before the full production reported a 70Km range (42 miles or so). 200Km is just a non sense, you know nothing about military aircrafts. 70-100Km are amazing ranges for air-air missiles where you need it to be light (to save payload) and agile to avoid dodging. For your information the USAF entered in the Meteor program to have an alternative to the 120D for the F22/F35... yes eat your fingers : french missiles
7Kronos 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 I do not trust US guverment.
micou199619 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 the most I saw was 110-180 km not 200km
micou199619 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 sory my bad the aim 120D range is of 110km (acording to wikipedia) but any way you can't lock f-22 or Rafale at that range so this is only useful aigainst 3d gen aircraft :)
micou199619 9 months ago
yes but the range varies from 50-65km but to have 200km range u would need to bild a biger misile to carry more fuel and do majors aérodynamics inpruvement.
micou199619 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 U realy think the same misile could go from 50km to 200 just with a different version???!!!!!
in fact the aim120D just has better gidance and is harder to dodge.
micou199619 9 months ago
@N1cholas240 WDF!! aim120D range is of 50km and the meteor's is 100km
micou199619 10 months ago
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can the rafale fire US missiles such as the AMRAAM
cameronthegreat1 10 months ago
Frenchhhh suck big time
alen969 10 months ago
None aircraft in the world is undetectable. Even the f-22 has a radar signature. The f-22 and Rafale are both very "discreet" planes. But when the Rafale is a snake, the f-22 is a ghost... and the Eurofighter is an elephant XD.
barbaguillux 10 months ago 30
@barbaguillux Oui, c'est la différence entre la 4e et la 5e génération d'avion. ^^
Mais très peu de se lancent dans la 5e génération, apparemment trop couteux et pour pas grand chose.
Par contre, c'est bizarre, au sol, je trouve le Rafale moche... dans les airs, très joli. :x
TheBlueBanane 6 months ago
Not undetectable, it's a bit tricky to get a lock on him, but that is all. The Rafale is NOT meant to be a stealth fighter.
TEHGROUND 10 months ago
rafale is not stealth :)
erkantatar101 10 months ago
hell yeah
TheCorbuzier 10 months ago
less than EF, gripen, super hornet or any 4th gen fighter.
micou199619 10 months ago
EF is a wonderful fighter but it was made for air superiority not ground attack and it can't operate from carier. I am not saying that any of them is better they are just different.
micou199619 11 months ago
The problem with the Rafale is that it has never been sold to any other contry so not much people know about its real capabilitys.
it is a very agile jet that is very capable in a dog-fight : it beat eurofighter 9-1 in 2009, it also has hig thech avionic combined with half stealth. it deservs better than to bee treated as "yersterday's technology".
micou199619 11 months ago
Rafale is not stealth, it is also yesterday's technology.
Tihamah3 11 months ago
@Tihamah3 What we all know is that Rafale has stealth capabilities : a great frontal RCS, very advanced RAM and active stealth (radar cancellation). However, we don't know its real capacities as it is of course, like US technologies, classified. But don't think a second this is not because it has no stealth design it's not stealth. Passive stealth design (like F22/F117) IS YESTERDAY TECHNOLOGY. F22 has great active stealth technology, Rafale without a doubt has too, never underestimate France
7Kronos 10 months ago
@Tihamah3 Notice that the Rafale is the only fighter that has full passive EW, this means its electronic warefare can be set on passive mode and still keep its stealth capabilities. F22 has definitly the most advanced stealth technology BUT it does not have a "full passive" mode. So systems like Spectra can detect it and recognize its EW signatures, launch long distance missiles like the Meteor. Spectra can do that in passive mode
7Kronos 10 months ago
@7Kronos it is still very detectable by radar....whether in passive mode or not.
Tihamah3 10 months ago
@Tihamah3 very detectable no,detectable yes, but it's very difficult to get a lock on him according to us navy pilot, and french mirage 2000 pilots
bingofioul 10 months ago
@Tihamah3 "very dectable" : That's why Lyberian radars were silent while french rafales were patroling and bombing ?? Are you that blind in front of facts ?
7Kronos 9 months ago
@7Kronos liberian radar? what kind of radar does liberia have, i would be suprised if they have a radar actually, the best they can have is 1951 Soviet radar was handed out to liberia to get rid of the junk piling in ware houses in russia.
Tihamah3 9 months ago
Coolest looking jet on the planet
deepsandi 11 months ago
I believe Rafale is as good a fighter as the Mirage has been. Rafale is highly under-rated.
deepsandi 11 months ago 2
Rafale is not a stealth also it is yesterday's technology.
Tihamah3 11 months ago
@Tihamah3 shut up brainless
eikkkN 11 months ago
Does anyone know why the French have fixed refueling probes. Rafale, Mirage 1 / 2000. Why not install a retractable refueling probe?
brebal1976 11 months ago
@brebal1976
That equipement is heavy and needs maintenance.
Rafale is a military tool so it had to be simple, light and sharp to be effective.
No retractable refueliing probe, no thrust vectoring, no VTOL, all of therse systems add slowness.
Think has a F1 pilote, you wouldn't enjoy a CD-player in your car.
LeHoink 11 months ago
The Rafale is probably already equipped with the Spectra and stealth, the Rafale in Libya were able to fly Libyan airspace and destroy ground targets without being detected and destroyed by anti-aircraft defence. That is why the Rafale were the first to go on fighting while the Tornado and F15 had to wait until the tomahawk and B2 destroy the air defense of Qaddafi ...
ContreJours 11 months ago 52
@ContreJours Can you explain me why american (if you are american) says "Qaddafi" when it is Kadhafi ?
AsocaDiez 11 months ago
@AsocaDiez Je suis français, mais ont pourrait retourner la question, pourquoi nous on dit Kadhafi et pas Qaddafi ? le son reste le même...
ContreJours 11 months ago
@ContreJours Oui, mais je crois que la vraie orthographe est "Kadhafi" , en plus j'ai vu sur d'autres forums anglophones ou Kadhafi a été écrit de diverses manières
AsocaDiez 11 months ago
@ContreJours
Sorry, but the French were the first in entirely for political reasons.
drbackjack 9 months ago
@ContreJours Not quite, it's observability is 0.75m^2 rcs, where the JSFs stealth is 0.0015m^2 rcs. The Rafale is brilliant though..
MilitaryAircraft101 8 months ago
@MilitaryAircraft101 Are we splitting hairs? So Rafael is as detecable as a standard beach ball & F-35 is as detacable as a container of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. I'm seriously thinking skillful piloting make both of these fighters 'needles in a haystack' with standard military detection systms. Having said that, one needs to look to the capabilities of the crafts: Rafael is faster, longer range, can carry more weapons, and is very meneuverable & 50% cheaper. What if stealth gets detectable?
good2goskee 8 months ago
@good2goskee Not ben & jerry's, golf ball... I agree with your comments, but for now 1. F-22, 2. F-35 (PAK FA WHEN IT ENTERS SERVICE) 3. Su-35/37 4/5. Rafale/Typhoon. REally, it will depend on a pilot, but now, stealth rules.
MilitaryAircraft101 8 months ago
@MilitaryAircraft101 do we really know if stealth rules? F-35 and F-22 are not battle tested. I remember the F-117 hype in the 90s yet the Serbs blasted one out of the sky using 1960s technology. I think there is far too many eggs in the stealth basket. Also, I'm thinking if countries make stealth (china, US, Russia, France ect.) than they likely know ways to detect it.
good2goskee 8 months ago
@good2goskee God they'll never live that down will they? THe weapons bay doors got jammed open for an unusually long period of time, allowing SAM lock from the Serbs
MilitaryAircraft101 8 months ago
@MilitaryAircraft101 there is also another incident where an Australian crew detected the f-117 by flicking their radar on an off. My point is not to isolate a one-off incident but rather to suggest that putting all one's eggs into the stealth basket is dangerous- especially when the performance is outmatched.
good2goskee 8 months ago
@good2goskee Thats cos they're australian. But that is stealth tech from 30 years ago. Wow shazam! The modern tech will win.
MilitaryAircraft101 8 months ago
@MilitaryAircraft101 DUDE!!! the modern cutting edge technology 30 years ago was foiled by 30 year old (or older technology) the Aussies were using. Comparing the F-117 to today is not what I'm talking about.
This is a relative comparison if F-35s or F-22s are potentially foiled by current technology that is tweeked. Don't you think it is reasonable that countries that make stealth: US, Russia/India, China, and Euros would know how to detect stealth?
good2goskee 8 months ago
@good2goskee Point taken. For every measure there is a countermeasure right? But if the US could detect conventional stealth, wouldn't they make an effort for their aircraft to be undetectable! And also, if they could detect stealth, why would they invest in it? Cheers
MilitaryAircraft101 8 months ago
@MilitaryAircraft101 lovely chatting with you too. I suppose we'll not really know how the f-35/f-22 perform until they are truly up against surface and/or formidable air targets like the Su's 30+, Mig 35s ect. As it stands, the Rafael looks like they have caught much attention with the world. I have been saying since the start that the Libyan intervention was a show case for mainly French weapons. Expect sales soon!
good2goskee 8 months ago
@good2goskee I will! If the RAN ever gets round to an aircraft carrier, I'd love to see some Rafale's take up the deck! They are formidable! But you're right, we'll never know till they're combat tested! Thankyou!
MilitaryAircraft101 8 months ago
@Stout737
Since the beginning. Active stealth is guaranteed by the Spectra System. The Rafale don't use geometric forms to lower it's RCS, but Materials and Electronic counter-measures.
chenoir 11 months ago
@Stout737
Since the beginning. Active stealthness in SPECTRA
moi1000 1 year ago
Current price of a Rafale F3: 143 million €
Current price of a Typhoon: 272 milion € (78% of over cost),
For a European project that is not bright .
Look at the last british report, a Typhoon is far more expensive than a Rafale, you can buy two Rafale for one Typhoon, and the upgrade to reach the capacities for ground attack missions would be available only in 2018 whereas the Rafale is already able to accomplish this type of missions.
So Rafale is better, facts prove it.
titiboo90 1 year ago 35
@titiboo90 Eurofighter Typhoon €90m per aircraft
sabrefox2004 11 months ago
@sabrefox2004
I think he include R&D.
LeHoink 11 months ago
@sabrefox2004
Lol
274 m always remember ,for a Shittiest plane.
mignonthon 11 months ago
@titiboo90
No, it depends on the rol of the fighter, the Eurofighter is much better than any other jet at multi-role purposes and it far better than the rafle with joint operations with the Navy.
mwillis1000 11 months ago
@mwillis1000 look at the Libyan war and learn about each planes capabilities...
titiboo90 11 months ago
@titiboo90
The rafle is better than the Eurofighter in some ways and in other ways the Eurofighter is better.
mwillis1000 11 months ago
@mwillis1000 Sure ? the Typhoon can't bombing accurately, no navy version, only air-air role, and air-air technologies similar or less efficient than Rafale's tech, dogfights proved it ! waiting for further Typhoon upgrades.
eikkkN 10 months ago
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@eikkkN
Yeah, it is better at joint operations with the navy than anyother new jet. As i have said The rafle is better than the Eurofighter in some ways and in other ways the Eurofighter is better.
mwillis1000 10 months ago
@titiboo90 wrong figures, its 65 against 80
XavierB0126 9 months ago
@XavierB0126 my figures include development costs and the typhoon figures are for the RAF in which the typhoon is the most evoluated.
titiboo90 9 months ago
@titiboo90 does buyers care about development costs ?...
also, Rafale project has been help by mirage 4000 project and his long time development without pre series aircraft made the programm cost less expansive than the typhoon programm.
and the typhoon one showed than 4 aircrafts makers do the plane more expensive than one, with his left and right wings build in differents location...
but the true thing is the Rafale is better than the typhoon
XavierB0126 9 months ago
@XavierB0126 of course ! each country pay these costs !
titiboo90 9 months ago
@titiboo90 not they pay 65/70 M€ per Rafale, like other pay 80 M€ per eurofighter
they dont care the project cost when they buy it
XavierB0126 9 months ago
@XavierB0126 well if you want, but the Rafale is still cheaper than the Typhoon.
titiboo90 9 months ago
@titiboo90
The tech is better in eurofighter. Did you know that Eurofighter has Solid State tech! Thats AESA tech mate. And its been using it for years. Did you know that a lot of those incredible systems on the F35 are made by BAE. Eurofighter may sell at a high price. But damn that tech it has is worth the cost.
G777GUN 8 months ago
@G777GUN what you tell is only spéculation give some proofs... F35 is not an incredible aircraft... And it is partly developped by BAE USA, not BAE britain. Type on google:
Eurofighter Typhoon at the sight of a Rafale
and check at the second link.
titiboo90 8 months ago
@titiboo90
Why do you think its just Americans that work in BAE in America. The UK did a lot of work on the F-35.
G777GUN 8 months ago
@titiboo90
Nice excersise photos. I mean Eurofighter has BVR, war setting and stealth materials. Did you know that the Luftwaffe beat the Rafale 0-2. they said they enjoyed the greater thrust advantage. How else do you beat somthing that manuevers well. You go straight up and come down like a meteorite.
G777GUN 8 months ago
@G777GUN I remember that the Luftwaffe beat a Rafale F1... and it was not BVR (Beyond Vision Range) exercise, it was a dogfight. Did you ever see the IR signature of the EF2000 ? it is like a sun in the noght... Well maybe EF2000 is a little stealth but not in IR vision...
titiboo90 8 months ago
@titiboo90
Yeah I saw that IR comparison video. Amazing how the camera changes for Rafale. Wont help anyway because IRST is so sensitive it can detect the heat of the skin even at subsonic speeds.
G777GUN 8 months ago
@G777GUN "Amazing how the camera changes for Rafale" what ? it is the same camera for the helicopter..
titiboo90 8 months ago
@titiboo90
? Which comparison video are you talking about. Because it was Eurofighter that took the photo of the B2 Spirit.
G777GUN 8 months ago
@G777GUN that why i'm looking for redflag recovery video made with the same IR Camera...if somebody have it ?
bingofioul 7 months ago
@G777GUN where did your get that ? source ? scenario ?
bingofioul 7 months ago
Really like the song, rafale is a wonderful plane; but what's the song? huhu ^^
1993gauthier 1 year ago
Well, "generations" don't really make any difference. It's just a number, it's absolutely not representative of anything, and guess who gets to say whose generation a plane his: the company that builds it.
Based on the technology on that thing, it clearly makes it on par with planes such as the F-22.
Ahlant 1 year ago
The Rafale, just as a minor correction, is NOT a 5a generation fighter, but a 4a generation. The only active fighter in the world today is the american F-22 Raptor There are plans for others and the chinese tested an aircraft that may or may not be one also, but I don't have the info to confirm.
P.S.: I'm not american, just stating a fact.
joujoucas 1 year ago
@joujoucas
rafale is actually considered 4.5 generation aircraft because of the advanced avionics and stealth abilities (not 100%)
s0undActivist 1 year ago
@joujoucas The only active fighter? Somebody is really new to the real world. The F series airplanes are a waste of money. Granted they do use some tech that a decent amount of European companies didnt want, but that doesnt make them great. With a thrust vector add on the Eurofighter Typhoon can take on and defeat a great deal of American planes.
gameplaya117 1 year ago
@gameplaya117 First of all, keep you "funny"comments to yourself. It's a FACT that the only FIFTH generation fighter active today is the F-22. Im'm not saying this or that is better. You are the one who needs to "get to the real world", ok? Check your facts before critizing other people's comments and, before you answer, try to READ first EVERYTHING.
joujoucas 1 year ago
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stalkingalizee 1 year ago
Totally agree
watch?v=nh32xqKd2dM
I think today it is risky to invest in stealth combat aircraft, because of their costs and new radar technologies that are increasingly sophisticated. This was proven with the F117, a stealth aircraft will one day be detected either. On that score, the Rafale is perfect thanks to its IR signature
eikkkN 1 year ago
@eikkkN Everyone brings up the F-117 getting shot sown in the Balkins. The F-117 was flying very low and the old Rusian SAM system did not have a hightech radar. The F-117 flew alot of missions and there has only been the one shot down. Also the newer stealth of the US use alot different skin and the US has learned alot about stealth over the years. If you notice the Rusians are trying to build Su 50 and China is trying to build J 22 both are suppose to be stealth. I dob't think its a waist.
pbgw123456 1 year ago
@pbgw123456 Too bad stealth is worthless when it comes to massed warfare.
gameplaya117 1 year ago
@gameplaya117 You claim stealth is worthless yet Russia and China are spending billons trying to make them. That makes no sense.
pbgw123456 1 year ago
Inofficial info, from pilot rafale observation after exercice, rafale can detect at double distance an eurofigther than a rafale, with the mode passiv spectra without activation radar. that mean the SER/RCS of EF2000 is 16 time superior to rafale. that explain why ef2000 is destroy by rafale in bvr mode at each confrontation. Rafale had a SER/RCS 20 time inferior to M2000/f16/F18,only f22 can answer. atlc confirm it.
XpCorba 1 year ago
even a mirrage 2000 won versus a f22 in dogfight so.... rafale using captors for be stealth
eikkkN 1 year ago
@eikkkN And where on earth have you gotten this information? Please do reference me a source of that, because the Mirage 2000 haven't even been at the same exercises as the F-22 so I find that impossible to start with. And no disrespect to the Mirage 2000, because it's an amazing plane and has served its time well, but there's simply no chance in hell that it would have any chance against an F-22 in air-air battle. The Rafale, yes, but the Mirage 2000, no. Definitely no.
wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks source: strategy page and other french websites.
So, months after the fact, new "leaks" keep coming out of that ATLC exercise in the UAE. The latest one is that a UAEAF Mirage 2000-9, flown by a French pilot, got an F-22 into its gunsights.
it was taking place when this occurred. It's also "interesting" that all these "leaks" from the French keep coming out. It's almost like they had some kind of marketing effort and were trying to make an impression on someone.
eikkkN 1 year ago
@eikkkN Would you be so very kind and e-mail me your source? I know the Royal Air Force have had some interesting encounters with the F-22 due to having PIRATE-IRST tracking system aswell as the LITENING pod. That makes it able to observe and lock onto small IR targets from large distances. Some rumors has it that the Eurofighter managed to lock onto the F-22 but never haven gotten a kill.
wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks the Mirage 2000 and Rafale are great and amazing French plane...
I'm sure any Mirage 2000 can destroy without effort an F-22, the French technology are only underestimate that's all.
in this video Raffale VS F16 watch?v=DfqJYyPevvw&feature=related
the superiority of French plane was obvious after their exercise with the French navy the American was ashamed about their airplane because they failed against our Rafale.
minhounou 1 year ago
@minhounou I know French planes are highly underestimated just like our Swedish Gripen. And I'm very well informed of the great records and capabilities of the Rafale and the Mirage 2000. The 2 Swedish Gripens intercepted 6 F-16 aggressors during Red Flag. The 2 Swedes managed to down all enemies and continued safely back home. Both the Rafale and the Gripen are two amongst the best 4.5 generation fighter jets in the world.
wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks yes, both are great. I think for a little country like Sweden with only 9 million inhabitants you did a good job. you can have a strong army if you will have 64 million inhabitants like France you will be probably one of the strongest country in the world. you army is good but too much tiny. but at least you have some good military technology.
minhounou 1 year ago
not stealth
ShadowGKCP 1 year ago
The only thing that sucks about the Rafale is that there isn't a 1/32 scale version yet.
Whats the hold up Revell!?
biped19 1 year ago
wondering why we have all these dick sze contests as we allied?
cigognesforever 1 year ago
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XpCorba 1 year ago