awesome video! that looks like the same exact power that is used for the flagstaff, arizona local that i had seen on vacation and strangely it was lined up in the same order a yellow santa fe train than a red one and another yellow one, lol!
i remember trucking with dad and being at a place in ontario picking up a load.i wandered down to the tracks..before i got there a Norfolk southern FLEW by..scared the shit outa me..ground shook n everything :)
I got to ride in a NJ Transit cab car coach a few times. My favorite driver was Mr. Benny because he was the only one that let me blow the horn. He also let me start a train out of a station and ring the bell. He also gave me a 2001 NJ Transit signal card that tells you all the signals and what to do when you see ine.
The only trains that do 80 mph is Amtrak. After exceeding 80 mph, it is considered overspeed. I believe freight trains are limited to 70 mph across the country. They can do up to 75 though, before the engine governor kicks in and applies the penalty brakes. The GE widecabs are equipped with 83:20 gear ratios meaning that they should not exceed 70-75 mph.
its actually 79Mph after 1947 even with signals unless the train has ATC or ATS induction shoes by signals, which would stop a train by using a penalty break applacation if the engineer disregraded a signal.
Andybowe - I'm aware that it is 79 MPH, I was just rounding it off. Over 79, you must have ATS. Most diesels though, unless geared to do so, cannot go over 70 much, before the engine governer applies penalty brakes. I believe overspeed is set at 74 MPH.
BTW, that was not counting the North East Corridor. If you are running over 80, then you need Automatic Train Control (ATC). This is available on the NEC. On a standard, non-powered freight mainline, max speed is 80 mph (for Amtrak), 70 mph for freight. In dark territory, max speed for any train is 50 mph.
Im not an expert on all the terms, just have a good liking of trains, ive heard the term "dark territory" alot what exactly is it? Thanks for any info! Good video also!
Dark Territory refers to a piece of railroad that is not signalled. Most regional and shortline operations do not use signals, or only use signals at crossovers, diamonds and junctions, where required. Railroads usually don't like dark territory, but the smaller railroads don't have money to spend on signaling systems.
Dark territory means Track Warrent Control which uses Boxes that a conductor checks with marking an X in each one while copying train dispatcher directives for the track warrent concerned usually between named points DTC is the same except use use Block signs that say beginning of Ets say Sherman Illinois Block to Springfield IL block, then that train would have to get those 2 DTC blocks from the dispatcher and when he clears those he has to give them up to the next train.
I too, am aware of this. My local Regional Railroad, Wheeling & Lake Erie, is constantly reading off track warrants. I even have a couple track warrant sheets. Track work, happenings in the blocks, etc, are also notified in the track warrant.
SF ran the Super C at 80MPH and UP geared some SD40-2's for 80MPH in the 1970's. UP might have run some trains at 80 when they had the DD40AX's with the fast SD40-2's.
The Santa Fe ran the Super C at at least 90 Mph and the UP had SD40-2's and SD40's geared for at least 80 to 90 Mph hoever the railroads would have to re upgrade the trackage across their systems to meet FRA class 7 or 8 or higher for freight trains anyway, I say bring back fast freights again please Europe runs trains at 75 mph in different countries generally sppeds for EU Trains are between 100 Kph and 120Kph thats 62 to 75 Mph not bad for freight trains.
I have a Santa Fe video and the Super C was limited to 80MPH and you are right about the UP engines. I think that we should run fast freights but the problem is "How much do you want to pay for diesel fuel, maintenance costs, will you delay trains during times of heavy traffic, and are you willing to expand capacity on key routes?".
70 for auto and intermodal, but speeds are setup for certain runs for instance in west off north platte cola trains are 40, east of north platte they are 50, due to land layout and curvature
If it's Illinois, it's a fair bet that BNSF's doing 50-60+. Even heard the detector clock one outside of Chadwick IL doing 71 MPH (which is Straight as an Arrow for about 10 Miles until a slight curve at Polo)
Is that what they are set on ex SF units? We ran EMDS at 70 and got more out of some of them Between Selkirk and Buffalo on Conrail..glad you like the vids, thanx!
that first horn sounds like the conrail horn off of trainz 2006.
celica825 1 year ago
awesome video! that looks like the same exact power that is used for the flagstaff, arizona local that i had seen on vacation and strangely it was lined up in the same order a yellow santa fe train than a red one and another yellow one, lol!
NARSConductor 1 year ago
That was awesome...Great Video!
a133t 1 year ago
i remember trucking with dad and being at a place in ontario picking up a load.i wandered down to the tracks..before i got there a Norfolk southern FLEW by..scared the shit outa me..ground shook n everything :)
dueltruck700 1 year ago
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andybowe 2 years ago
I got to ride in a NJ Transit cab car coach a few times. My favorite driver was Mr. Benny because he was the only one that let me blow the horn. He also let me start a train out of a station and ring the bell. He also gave me a 2001 NJ Transit signal card that tells you all the signals and what to do when you see ine.
logo47 2 years ago
SWOOCH!!! sorry i had to do that. LOL awesome vid buddy o' pal, 5/5 fave!
Railfan19960 2 years ago
Awesome video!!!
FlyBikes089 2 years ago
The only place a train can do more than 80mph is the Cajon Pass when you lose dynamic braking, but it's not recommended.
floatpool 3 years ago 7
LOL
Independofuck 3 years ago
Yes that I found out
supertouring 3 years ago
I would have liked to have seen all of the trains; not just the first half of each. Otherwise a nice video.
Speed limits on locomotives varies according to intended use.
Adjustment of locomotive wheel diameters, gear ratios and speed limiter devices sets locomotive speed limit.
Roughly speaking -
65 mph is for general purpose.
70 mph is for fast freight/intermodal.
75 mph is for high priority/intermodal.
80 mph is for highest priority/fast intermodal. I think only UP run up to 80 mph?
brispuss 3 years ago 7
The only trains that do 80 mph is Amtrak. After exceeding 80 mph, it is considered overspeed. I believe freight trains are limited to 70 mph across the country. They can do up to 75 though, before the engine governor kicks in and applies the penalty brakes. The GE widecabs are equipped with 83:20 gear ratios meaning that they should not exceed 70-75 mph.
CSXno601 3 years ago
its actually 79Mph after 1947 even with signals unless the train has ATC or ATS induction shoes by signals, which would stop a train by using a penalty break applacation if the engineer disregraded a signal.
andybowe 2 years ago
Andybowe - I'm aware that it is 79 MPH, I was just rounding it off. Over 79, you must have ATS. Most diesels though, unless geared to do so, cannot go over 70 much, before the engine governer applies penalty brakes. I believe overspeed is set at 74 MPH.
CSXno601 2 years ago
BTW, that was not counting the North East Corridor. If you are running over 80, then you need Automatic Train Control (ATC). This is available on the NEC. On a standard, non-powered freight mainline, max speed is 80 mph (for Amtrak), 70 mph for freight. In dark territory, max speed for any train is 50 mph.
CSXno601 3 years ago
Im not an expert on all the terms, just have a good liking of trains, ive heard the term "dark territory" alot what exactly is it? Thanks for any info! Good video also!
isb235 2 years ago
Dark Territory refers to a piece of railroad that is not signalled. Most regional and shortline operations do not use signals, or only use signals at crossovers, diamonds and junctions, where required. Railroads usually don't like dark territory, but the smaller railroads don't have money to spend on signaling systems.
CSXno601 2 years ago
Dark territory means Track Warrent Control which uses Boxes that a conductor checks with marking an X in each one while copying train dispatcher directives for the track warrent concerned usually between named points DTC is the same except use use Block signs that say beginning of Ets say Sherman Illinois Block to Springfield IL block, then that train would have to get those 2 DTC blocks from the dispatcher and when he clears those he has to give them up to the next train.
andybowe 2 years ago
I too, am aware of this. My local Regional Railroad, Wheeling & Lake Erie, is constantly reading off track warrants. I even have a couple track warrant sheets. Track work, happenings in the blocks, etc, are also notified in the track warrant.
CSXno601 2 years ago
55MPH General purpose and empties
60MPH Coal and Grain
70MPH Intermodal and Autorack
UP ran its ZLALF and ZLFLA trains at 75MPH.
SF ran the Super C at 80MPH and UP geared some SD40-2's for 80MPH in the 1970's. UP might have run some trains at 80 when they had the DD40AX's with the fast SD40-2's.
SSW8040 2 years ago 2
The Santa Fe ran the Super C at at least 90 Mph and the UP had SD40-2's and SD40's geared for at least 80 to 90 Mph hoever the railroads would have to re upgrade the trackage across their systems to meet FRA class 7 or 8 or higher for freight trains anyway, I say bring back fast freights again please Europe runs trains at 75 mph in different countries generally sppeds for EU Trains are between 100 Kph and 120Kph thats 62 to 75 Mph not bad for freight trains.
andybowe 2 years ago
I have a Santa Fe video and the Super C was limited to 80MPH and you are right about the UP engines. I think that we should run fast freights but the problem is "How much do you want to pay for diesel fuel, maintenance costs, will you delay trains during times of heavy traffic, and are you willing to expand capacity on key routes?".
SSW8040 2 years ago
more like 50 for general purpose
40 for coal
50 for grain
70 for auto and intermodal, but speeds are setup for certain runs for instance in west off north platte cola trains are 40, east of north platte they are 50, due to land layout and curvature
Krause12689 2 years ago
@brispuss UP used to run the SD45s at the 80 mph speed. I believe it was 90 mph though. This was back with the UP SD45s were brand new.
csx5400 8 months ago
Fantastico!
quemuquemu 3 years ago
Thought Overspeed was limited to 65 MPH?
7674Princess 3 years ago
Wow!!! High Horses!!!
7674Princess 3 years ago
Those were trains...
mikecockrell 3 years ago
i like the first train with that beautiful horn and im a bnsf fan bnsf rules
stevenkimball 3 years ago
Now there`s a horn you don`t see every day. Awsome Vid.
BNSFman08 4 years ago
yeah it was a beautiful horn!
BNSF9250 3 years ago
If it's Illinois, it's a fair bet that BNSF's doing 50-60+. Even heard the detector clock one outside of Chadwick IL doing 71 MPH (which is Straight as an Arrow for about 10 Miles until a slight curve at Polo)
Nice Catch.
Hiei2k7 4 years ago
nice DT
dumbbuff 4 years ago
this video was added on my birthday nice job
trainwatcher116 4 years ago
conrail track 2 no defect total axl count 255....over
trainwatcher116 4 years ago
i love it speed both trains were awesome
trainwatcher116 4 years ago
The Second BNSF Train was Better
BNSFDisneyZildjian 4 years ago
Are you kidding?! Nothing beats an old ATSF classic with a nice horn. Oh well, we are entitled to our opinions.
meyer8400 4 years ago
very interesting consist!
furryfurball1221 4 years ago
Super video. Really fast moving trains.
bechho 4 years ago
Nice,,, that 1st one only goin 65, EMD's overspeed is 67 mph. That 2nd movin right along, track speed...
kro0014 4 years ago 3
Is that what they are set on ex SF units? We ran EMDS at 70 and got more out of some of them Between Selkirk and Buffalo on Conrail..glad you like the vids, thanx!
DMagill1973 4 years ago