I do not want terrorist in a court house in my state. The right to a jury is a right for americans not every tom dick and terrorist out there. we here in the united states (most of us with a brain that is) want our rights to be for us . I would not lay down my life for a non american to get rights so that he can suicide bomb my children as they shop at a mall. These idiots need to start worrying about americans . when everything is perfect here then worry about the others ty
@The1bassfreak The point of due process is to be absolutely sure that someone who has been accused of this or that is in fact guilty of what they have been accused of. If you cut that right off to anyone, even a terrorist then the Justice System is no longer a system of justice. The question raised at 4:24 pretty much explains why. Besides any impartial jury would almost certainly find these people guilty.
Megyn Kelly is one of the most vacuous, and robotic presenters I have seen anywhere! Her arguments are childish and totally uninformed. It is just amazing that anyone would hire her to do anything, except, perhaps, out of pity.
And also there was a racial attack against whites, and when I condemned it, it was LIBERALS who "reminded" me that "slavery was really bad, you know...you obviously don't understand"
So that's where it is coming form is those comments all coming from liberals. It is the liberals who use slavery as an excuse to back up violent racial attacks against white people.
@KingRadbadical1988 You may be right, but in my experience, "it" is coming from people who label others without thought or discrimination.
The problem is that I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "liberals". Could you define it please? Please give this some serious thought before you reply. Thanks...
@javamanV3 Liberals can be me sometimes. I'm a liberal most of the time. Just not when it comes to gun rights. I still call myself a "liberal" a lot of times.
But a LOT of liberals, not all, seem to have the idea that "as long as its not as bad as slavery, its okay to do it to white people". Actually a very large number of them and it can get pretty violent.
A lot of conservatives think its okay to kill Iraqi babies because of 9/11, even though babies didn't knock down the towers
@aoiahiru Yes but modern liberals like Al Sharpton often assume that anyone who disagrees with them is "racist". That's where I'm getting that from. I do get called a racist when I disagree with liberals a lot of times so its not all in my head.
It reminds me of all the times I get called a "terrorist" for disagreeing with conservatives.
The constitutional rights of the accused are offered only to citizens and legal residents of the country. Also, the prisoners at gitmo are prisoners of war and any trial against them should be a military trial. Ignoring the fact that these people are prisoners of war and hiding behind a constitutional clause which has no relevence to prisoners of war does not make you right.
@mynameismatt2010 Actually you are incorrect the constitution gives rights to all "people" not just citizens of the USA. Also the prisoners in Gitmo are NOT prisoners of war as there was no declaration of war made by the United States, also had the United States declared war legitimately the prisoners in Gitmo would be covered under the Geneva convention and would be attending court in the Hague not in a military trial presided over by the military.
@emerice Constitutional perview applies only to citizens and legal residents, regardless of the wording.
There was an executive order to use military force, so while they may not be prisoners of war they are military prisoners. Which actually means they wouldn't fall under the category covered by the Geneva convention.
Even if they did fall under the Geneva convention, it is unconstitutional and America has no business following it.
You swallowing that lie so easily makes your ability to think for your self totally suspect. Your paraphrasing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights makes your knowledge of the law even more so.
OH and btw. Before you say what I already KNOW you conservatives are going to say. I ALREADY KNOW THAT ISLAMIC TERROR IS BAD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMIND ME THAT. Also. I ALREADY KNOW THAT 9/11 WAS BAD.
This is the same shit the liberals did to me in the 90's. Every time you speak out against some sick deranged shit those liberals bleet like sheep "slavery was bad, you know. Like really, really bad." Yes I know still doesn't justify 11 year old white girls getting beat up by grown black men.
Even though the 8 year old girl never once in her life, personally, flew two planes into skyscrapers, killing 3,000 innocent citizens
Still though it makes no difference to the republicans. You could throw Mother Theresa in Guantanamo Bay and they'll just keep on saying "What are we supposed to do, feel sorry for TERRORISTS?"
Republicans think that if you don't spend every second of your life raping babies and stabbing old ladies you're "feeling sorry for people". Fuck their sick ideology!
Republicans all need to have their 8 year old daughters detained by corrupt cops, cavity searched by all male officers, tasered for "resisting" (Even if she's being 100% compliant, they will call it "resisting" to justify the sick tasering), and then put away for "an indefinite period of time" which ends up being her whole life.
All so us sick fuck liberals can laugh in their faces and say "maybe the little bitch should have thought about that before killing 3,000 innocent Americans".
I'm a soldier, so I believe that anyone considered a POW, i.e. detainees in Gitmo, show be tried by a military tribunal, and as such have lawyers,= and a jury. Just because they don't wear uniforms doesn't mean they aren't soldiers. If you fight for a cause and have weapons, you're a soldier.
I apologize, I have tendency to ask rhetorical questions in my comments, but I sort of get why we don't try Muslim terrorists, which is because we want to catch/kill terrorists without giving them any due process. Don't treat terrorists like a citizen or a POW, so we can make them suffer under a make-up-as-we-go-along code of ethics.
Why all of a sudden do we not try terrorist in federal courts? We've tried Zacharia Moussaoui, John Allen Muhammad, Lee Malvo, Ramzi Yousef, Terry Nichols, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the Unabomber, not to mention thousands of drug kingpins, Mafia dons, and serial killers. Why the fuck can't we try KSM in America?
Reap what you sow. Guess what, your politicians, representatitives and so on and even the man on the street have been publicly and directly supporting terrorism for decades.
You americans don't like hearing it, but you have for many decades funded and publicly supported terrorist organisations.
Why all of a sudeen do you not try terrorists in federal courts? Mainly because in the past decades you have PAID for them and sat back laughing at the restults.
@ASerousWorld Far, as I know (not necessarily an expert on The Troubles) the IRA was a terriorist group that attacked UK government. I don't think Washington would be pay a terrorist group a close ally to the US (if that was what you were suggesting)
The vast majority of money funding the IRA came from the USA. Several of your current representatives actively supported the IRA and are now saying that people with links to terrorism should be investigated in a way similar to the Communist hunts of the past.
As to the USA not paying a terrorist group. Who do you think funded and trained most of the terrorist groups in the middle east today? Who do you think funded, supplied weapons to, trained and provided intelligence to the taliban?
i do belive they deserve a trial, but lets be real here, whenever u hold a trial in the same state and juridiction(sorry if i misspelled that im a liitle sick) ur not likely to get a FAIR trial in anything, expecially when the person is an arab, has an arabian name,and most importantly, is an accused terrorist.
I thought I was the only one asking that question. Without a criminal Trial, how do we know if these suspects are guilty? Apparently, in the "war on terror" which is neither a war nor on terror, just being accused of terrorism is enough. What made 9/11 an act of war? It was not sponsored by any state, nor was there a declaration made my anyone, not even Bin Laden. Terrorism is a crime. Even the nazis got trials. Those were not straight criminal trials, I will grant you, but they were tried.
oh no!!! Fox News has the rebelious notion that it can be the ONLY channel that allows a dissenting (conservative) opinion......why is there no one on youtube bitching about MSNBC - it's an extension of the democratic party!
And I don't see MSNBC ever supporting anti-government groups like Fox does, which doesn't make it a 'traditional' news station.
In all honesty, I could care less what bullshit Faux comes up with (apparently they get their 'news' from tabloids.....), it's just the fact they claim they're fair and balanced when it's obviously the most biased group out there.
@pratsha45 Because it's not. On MSNBC, they criticize the Obama administration and the Democratic party all day long. There is a 3-hour block of conservative commentary every weekday morning, and the other opinion shows regularly criticize the Democratic establishment for a number of things, including its fundamental weakness and towing of the Wall Street/corporate line.
@pratsha45 Robert Gibbs called them and those like them "the professional left" (an insult) and Rahm Emmanuel called them "fucking retarded." MSNBC has commentary and news segments with both liberals and conservatives like Fox or CNN, but the arguments presented are not one-sided like they are on Fox. MSNBC is often at odds with the Democratic party, so to say otherwise is just false equivalency. You appear to be buying into the lie told by the conservative corporate media. It's just not true.
@xJoeEDangerouslyx This is crap. Both CNN and Fox News are more balanced than MSNBC and even a liberal can tell you that. MSNBC is nothing but flaming liberals. Watch Keith Olberman and tell me I'm wrong.
The problem isent that a news organization is baised. Everyone knows that MSNBC is left leaning and Fox is right leaning. What >>IS<< the problem is that Fox actually lies and scews information to fit their agenda where as MSNBC only reports on truthful things that support theirs. One tell the truth, the other lies....
One of the video you have presented Sarah talked about the constitution. As a leader of a party, even destructive one, she should have taken time to read what exactly the constitution is about. I'm pretty sure she has no idea what the constitution is and funny to hear she is lecturing about it.
What really surprising is in the media no one take time and consider a serious discussion with this ignorant woman and shut her off until she gets the full content of the constitution.
I love how Glenn Beck portrays himself as a defender the Constitution and of civil rights, but never gives concrete examples of WHAT Constitutional freedoms the Obama Administration is allegedly curtailing while the rest of Fox News couldn't care less about those pesky fifth and sixth amendments.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent. How the hell would anyone reading this like it if they were set up for one of the greatest terror attacks in history? He was tortured like crazy. How the hell must he feel? Like how does his family feel? Zionists did 9/11 and the War On Terror is a fraud. Wake up! Jesus Fricking Christ!
What scares me is that people that support Fox, don't see it as biased. Whatever your political views and whatever you choose to believe is fine, but to be so blind as to not see that Fox is SO biased towards the Republican party, that is worrying. I mean G W Bush destroyed the American economy, giving tax cuts whilst running two wars, creating the conditions for wall st greed to ruin middle class and lower class people and then, unbelievably, blame Obama for the whole damn mess.
Wow. What a way to take bits and clips of news stories to generate a frankincense's creation that is nothing to do with the truth. Constitutional rights of detainees at Gitmo? These are terrorists, not citizens of the US. Constitutional rights aren't applicable there. Liberal cool-aide drinkers are so amazingly naive.
Who the fuck care about the terrorists right he should have been put in the electric chair right there he kills people who the fuck can you even defend him.
Wow, this video mislead too many times to count. I am no Republican and I can see that. Your mentioning of Amendment 6 in regards to KSM is a fabrication of the truth. KSM committed an act of war.
I tell you, with clips like this it makes it harder and harder to be a democrat.
@Thrazonn Because he is a non US Citizen who therefore is not entitled to a trial by jury, but rather a military trial. I am not sure why this is not common knowlege?
We probably agree on a lot of things Thrazonn, but I just can't stand when things are misleading to people. To me it destroys the greater message of getting out of this war.
@fletchdrebon Well, no one seems to be able to decide if the Constitution applies to non-US citizens. LiberalViewer seems to present compelling evidence that it does. Either way, the ethical question remains: what's the difference between a US citizen and non-US citizen. In this case, a US citizen was also a member of Al Qaeda. So what's the difference between an Al Qaeda member who is and isn't a US citizen?
Conservatives make up their own laws as they see fit and they think Fox News is an excellent platform from which to make their twisted views legitament. Fox New is sooo biased for conservatives that people can see right through it. They are to conservativism as what Fred Phelps is to Christianity. Many open-minded conservatives are starting to distance themselves from Fox News because of this. Easy to see why. We should all shutter at the thought of an all liberal or all conservative govt.
@mikemk92 I apologize to many conservatives as I didn't specify it in my opening sentence. "RADICAL conservatives make up their own laws..." I'm a liberal but I share with conservatives my ideas on many issues. Many of my conservative friends are open minded to them as I am to their ideas. This is how humanity, not just America, will prosper and solve the greatest of problems together. Keep religion at home and keep the needs of all in government!
It should be our goal to extend the rights that all Americans enjoy to every single solitary person in the world. There are not two standards of justice in the world only one. If Fox News had its way we all would be tried before secret tribunals and masked judges in the middle of night.
Because trying terror suspects undoubtedly will involve violating rules of evidence I propose a more lenient standard of punishment for those convicted under such a system. Go ballistic see if I care.
I just drove by a major downtown bank today. It has a big electronic sign. Its says "The Answers was Obama - Can you imagine how stupid the Question must have been?".
@Explodius1990 WHOA. OMG Yes they do. I want to kill myself every time I see someone post something on Facebook about Fox News and all their wonderful info. :/ Maybe it's just because I live in Arkansas and everyone here is a fucking moron.
The ignorance of this LiberalViewers' followers astounds me. Zazi is a legal permanent resident of the U.S. That FACT negates the vast majority of this typically lame liberal view.
Lol, it could be possible that at 3:52, she was saying that it was insane for TAXPAYER to pay for his right to testimony, but rather it hsould have come out of his own pocket for his own defence...
Excellent video especially the last 30 seconds. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was NOT the mastermind of 9/11. Rupert Murdoch representative complicity is all I can say. However on my website the SEC Insilco Holding Co. fraudulent bankrupcy from the estate of me dead of Zenadev my company BANK ONE OBAMA Chicago president attorney mobster at Sidley, Austin, Brown and Wood Section 10.17 WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL.Obama and Homeland Security Janet Napolitano involved in this astounding fraud. Jury trial please!
Funny how I cant post the website that has this recording in Ronny's own words, showing once again that it is true. However I did Message you the site. Lets see if you man enough to acknowledge he was right and you were not..
u will find few conservatives (if any) who believe that "suspected" "terrorists" should have "our" "fair" trials "awarded" to "them" on "our" taxpayer dime because many of them believe that only Americans "have" "rights," access 2 "our" "rights," or "deserve" any of the many "blessings" bestowed by the Constitution. Funny how God, Jesus, and the US Constitution agreed on the whole "created equal" thing, but right-wingers don't act like it! Leftist hypocrisy is surpassed only by the US Right-Wing
detained war combatants should not have constitutional rights.. nor should illegal immigrants. You have to be a citizen to have any Civil Rights. I live in America, Am I protect by Switzerland's constitution? Of course not. That's sort of a no-brainer.
It means if we find someone visiting this country who breaks one of our laws, the Mayor's thugs won't haul him off to a deserted field and beat him to death on the SUSPICION.
Not necessisarily the result of something hard fought for, although this is in fact true. The America I want to live in embraces diversity, and recognizes that freedom means acceptance of this, even though it spawns some pretty crappy excuses for people at times.
@brandon9271 - a no brainer for you. Again, its not that simple...the confusion about Miranda Rights is in the implementation. These rights are considered to be human rights. Basic in their nature, and therefore they encompass an ideal we believe should be fundemental in nature to all men (and women).
Look I agree that everyone should have a right to a fair trial.. but this could be done in a military tribunal. If you do it in civilian court you compromise national security. Maybe we have "insiders" posing as terrorist.. do we blow their cover so they can testify in court? Do we reveal how we intercept their communications or all the inner working of our anti-terrorism efforts to present evidence? After all this is an on going effort. Revealing info in court could give the enemy a heads up
@pjamesbda Under that logic what's stopping the Mayor's thugs for beating to death an American citizen for suspicion of something? If our locally elected officially are all so corrupt it seems pretty hopeless regardless. And if such corruption exist on a local level then surely its all that much worse on the federal level, no? State government need more rights because they are in direct contact with the people they represent. Washington is out of touch as Healthcare and immigration has shown
@brandon9271 - the difference is that the Mayor's boys answer to the Miranda Statutes because we're cititzens, but the point is that we extend those to anyone because of our moral predilictions as they apply to mankind. (if we have any left) I have lived in other countries, and believe me, our freedoms are not so all encompassing, and people there often mock our arrogance re: our rights, and our superiori freedoms.
@pjamesbda Informing people of their rights is the right thing to do. We have allowed the terrorists to use fear to cause us to change what we are doing. This means that terrorism has won a victory against us. If we are not willing to stand up for what we claim to believe in when it matters, we have gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to "oh no I'm not willing to take even a small risk".
The big question to ask is WHY? And if the answer is what I think it is, the hate mongers are already deeply rooted within our system and outside it. The bombing of the NY financial sector was no mistake. It was planned and well executed, and the shock built a concensus amoung US citizens that we must answer this force with shock and awe. The shock was watching our entire economy crash, and the awe is realizing it was the second part of the first attack.
@knowledgemonger - cound not agree with you more. Terror has won a victory with us, because we have allowed our leaders to capitalize yet again on our war machine because by it. Can we afford to let rogue states or factions off religious extremists attack us without retribution? NO! Not from the outsie or the inside. But our leaders did not persue the guilty, they persued the expedient.
@pjamesbda It isn't just a matter of "capitalize". Remember that Bush-II closed the Prince Sultan Airbase. This was not an action, I believe he wanted to do. It was done to appease the very sort who attacked us. This was not long after 9-11, so it really showed terrorism working.
@knowledgemonger - I think this really shows terrorism working. Doesn't a permanent US base in Iraq bigger than the Vatican, also shows terrorism working. US terrorism!
@pjamesbda The giant base is not terrorism working. It is just a strange sort of colonialism. The never seems to be able to leave a country once it is there. We still have troops in Germany. It costs us a lot of money. Unlike colonies of the past, it is not something that produces a profit for the nation. It is tax payer supported.
@knowledgemonger Since we're offering opinions here I think that you and pjamesbda need to find some other forum to stroke each other. You are both wrong and we are such a great nation that we are willing to tolerate your stupidity for the sake of your right to be fools.
@hottgp This is such a great nation that you are free to make statements like that. Nobody requires you to know or even to understand the truth when it is presented to you. Now go back to your cave.
@brandon9271 Do you remember what "states rights" was code for lets keep our foot planted on the necks of the blacks in our state? State governments have a truly awful record on such matters.
The classic was the confusion propogated regarding legislation on healthcare, ie. that people hated the bill, lumping everyone who wanted a stronger bill in with ones who did'nt want it at all. So superficial...
What a perfect example. How many times do we have to hear how evil big gov. is "forced down our throats" (i love turning the tables don't you?) only to hear about how lacking the defense budget is, or how Obama didn't enforce the regulation sufficient on off shore drilling, blah, blah...
we need Government to do the things we cant do own our own. Military is necessary. Social Programs, Entitlements and Corporate bailouts/takeovers are not necessary.
Isn't it hilarious how conservatives argue for smaller government and try to spread fear of government interference, but at the same time they would like all restrictions on gov't power lifted just to be 'more secure' - whatever that means. It's wrong, and it happens constantly. Thanks for calling'em out on it LiberalViewer!
@Quethean That's the only reason why I hate Fox News. I don't have a problem with them presenting biased "news". If they would just rename themselves Conservative News, at least people would know what they're getting themselves into when they turn to that channel. But people who get their "facts" from media outlets are misguided and misinformed. As a result, you'll start seeing someone holding up a sign that reads: "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
I think a lot of Liberal are confused about that.. You see, many folks are well informed of both sides of the issues and actually CHOOSE to be conservative! I know its have to believe and it SOUNDS crazy but we aren't all a bunch of inbred, redneck, Bible thumping illiterates. Some of us are actually well-read and college educated and just want the Federal Government to give control back to the states. Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legalized Pot, etc should NOT be decided on a Federal level.
So while it is nice to say "we want our liberty back" or "we want gov. off our back" that overlooks big parts of the issue, and it is in this that many draw the conclusion that you are a ignorant redneck, because you don't grasp the complexity of the issues.
@brandon9271 - right on. Certain thing should be decided at the hearth and home level. They have no business being legislated at all, but then we run into these issues about inheritences, and spouse rights and responsibilities in which the State is involved - like it or not.
If you were out watering your grass and found your new next door neighbor was a fox news anchor what would you do? Are you in danger? Do you have to be polite and pretend you do not know they are evil liars? What if your kids want to play, would you let them? Imagine what those kids are learning at home. "now son here is a gun, and that is a picture of a black man who is poor, what do you do now? com on son you know what we taught you...shoot the evil moneyless black person. Good boy.
@Pumpitupmaster No... it's entertainment. Othrwise there would be no flashy intros or ads or tickers to look at when you getr tired of looking at the blond or the perdy cityscape in the background.
You right. It is supposed to be news but there is too much money involved not to be bias.
It's as balanced as Olberman's show and the rest of the MSNBC lefties.
KSM is not an American citizen. Constitutional rights are for American citizens. He is entitled to a trial, but it does not have to be of the type that a citizen is guaranteed. A military trial is fair. It's more than the Al Qaeda loons ever gave Nick Berg.
@kruat43 lol next time i see a foreigner, I'll make sure to both rob AND rape them since apparently they have NO protection under our constitution whatsoever :-) thanks for the heads up!
hey just to let you know i had it wrong, wasnt Einstein i was thinking of, the quote was I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
-Galileo.
like i said its been years of drugs and drinking, memory gets fuzzy lol.
Fox news, and anyone who condones torture, undue incarceration, or solitary confinement and harsh techniques on men who turn out to be innocent, are traitors
and as a small side note 80+% of swiss are catholic/protestant, 4% islam or so, and they recently (year or 2 `ago?) banned the building of new mosques because the threat and teachings of islam are somewhat, evil, there are 4 in the entire country unless somethings changed.
they also have a small jewish community.
anyways they were a very unsubstantial country other then as a trade route prior the the french occupation, which of course turned the loose confederation into what it is today.
The last time I checked, some of these so-called conservatives don't even know what is written in the very Constitution they uphold so strongly... so I'm not surprised that people on Fox News don't know the 6th Amendment.
Yes, I'd rather believe that these people are ignorant than they are hypocrites.
ahh but do you know the sixth amendment? thats the real question, yes supreme court has extended it to anyone in the 50 states+provinces, but we have something called the geneva convention that we use, as well as the 4 court system in the US
@Aids5211: It is true that he has his own opinion on these things and I think he might have admitted it himself once or twice but he is also interested in his viewers' opinion and, to be honest, I don't think he ever said he wasn't biased and it's one thing for a youtuber to be biased but it's another thing for a news station to be biased. You'd never see this kind of bias on something like BBC News.
How can some people think they have no right to a jury trial? How do you even know for sure that they're guilty? I mean really, what right do you have to pass judgment without knowing all of the facts?
I would have thought that where the constitution refers to people it means all people, not just United States people. If the constitution can support charging, trying and sentencing a person it should be done as laid out in the constitution.
You can't pay lip service to a set of rules when it is expedient. That way anarchy lies.
Now if it was up to me I'd have had them taken out and shot years ago. Thankfully I've never aspired to be in a position of authority.
Here is my advice as we begin the century that will lead to 2081. First, guard the freedom of ideas at all costs. Be alert that dictators have always played on the natural human tendency to blame others and to oversimplify. And don't regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with to free, public, unhampered expression. ~Gerard K. O'Neill, 2081
Let me see if I can sum up your argument..."OH MY GOD, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK/THINK LIKE ME IN WASHINGTON! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! DIFFERENT PEOPLE FILL ME WITH MIND-ERASING TERROR, SO I'M GOING TO SPOUT OF RACIST/CLASSIST NONSENSE TO COVER!!!" Did I get it about right? I do try so very hard to be accurate.
@Bernstein1917 - The Race Card from the bottom of the deck yet once again! It would help maybe if the next Black President was actually a verifiable natural born American citizen instead of a British/ Kenya/ Indonesian/ son of a Mau Mau Citizen of the World! A real Black American wouldn't be scheming an evil plot to bankrupt the country and deliver it to Communists.
@StinkingHombre Maybe your point would be better recieved if it wasn't slathered with so much racist slime that I have to wipe off my screen every time I read your posts.
Believe me, Stinking, I would rather see you dead, too, but life just isn't that easy. As I said before, Obama has taken no action that can legitimately be called Communist, but he has done quite a bit to reinforce the capitalist class' control of the system. And, as a member in good standing of the Socialist Party, I can tell you that we do not approve of the majority of Obama's actions. Now, once again, please lay off the anti-Semitism. It makes you look like an even bigger moron.
@Bernstein1917 - No huh? How about the buyout of GM? Perhaps maybe the forced sale of Chrysler to Fiat? No? Maybe his wonderful friends, Frank Marshall Davis, Anita Dunn, Van Jones? No huh? Just because he hasn't had the balls to provoke the country any further by attempting to implement Communist policies doesn't mean he isn't a Commie @ heart now does it? It just means that he is weary of having his ass impeached if he did!
Listen people I would much rather violate the civil rights of a few terrorist anyday then end up with a severe attack. Just think people if we were to have an attack where 6 or 7 major cities got hit with chemical weapons. An attack at that level would nearly destory the whole country. Think of the k-os the whole country would spin out of control think how many years it would take to recover. All because liberals want to protect the rights of terrorist. Liberals may cost our country.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security- Ben Franklin
AND apparently the rest of our Founders, since they made that idea central to our Constitutional rights. These rights are not just for our citizens, but for all who fall under our legal system. BTW, I know you "just know" that all the detainees are guilty, but I feel more comfy letting our legal system work.
Oh, and stop using the word liberal as a weapon. First you are wrong. I am a moderate generally who is somewhat libertarian in my thoughts. I tend to be liberal/libertarian in civil rights matters. I am extremely conservative in matters of economy, trade and defending the Constitution of the US!
Secondly, the liberals I know are mostly good patriotic folks who keep us in balance. If you enjoy clean food and water, it is liberals to thank.
Hey I was just trying to make a point. Besides you honestly expect there to be no security to handle the situation, and if your that scared get a gun and shoot him when he arrives at the trial.
All it takes is one juor to let KSM walk. Just one. We should have never allow him to be tried in a regular crimmal court. Just think if the KSM trial became another OJ trial. You know how foolish America would look?
Maybe I wasn't clear, I don't think he should be tried in civilian courts, for those are reserved for people who are citizens, green card holders, those vacationing here, and those trying to become citizens. That's why I think it says people. I mean for trying someone(to my knowledge)has never even been to America in a civilian is laughable.
First, your repeated statement that this particular Fox News program is "straight" news is wrong. The format has striaght news then goes into debating the subjects. Second, I do not believe that the rights and privligages should be extended to these non US citizens. A military trial will give them far more justice than they would have gotten in their own countries!!
Foreign combatants have never been afforded US constitutional rights. Laws of armed conflict and the Geneva Convention take precedence in these cases. And, military tribunals have always presided over these types of trials, not US civilian courts.
"foreign combatants" have been historically been members of armies from sovereign nations that can surrender to us. This is not the case today. Some of these detainees are citizens of our allies and some are minors.
This is true. It is a new kind of war, though, with a variety of enemy demographics. I believe the same rules apply, however. In the military, we take an Oath of Enlistment or Commission, and we swear to uphold and defend the US constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. I think it boils down to... a war has been declared, and the enemy IS the enemy. I'm sure nobody chooses their side lightly...it's an ugly world we live in.
Thank you for informed civil debate on this. It is unfortunately rare. My first concern is that all prisoners get some kind of legal trial. To hold a prisoner who is not part of a soveriegn nation is not OK. (If not a official POW, then they get a criminal civilian trial.) For Non-POWS who are formally trained soldiers; military tribunals would be appropriate. For non-soldiers, criminal courts might be appropriate. And where is the right court for those who were children when they were detained?
I do not want terrorist in a court house in my state. The right to a jury is a right for americans not every tom dick and terrorist out there. we here in the united states (most of us with a brain that is) want our rights to be for us . I would not lay down my life for a non american to get rights so that he can suicide bomb my children as they shop at a mall. These idiots need to start worrying about americans . when everything is perfect here then worry about the others ty
The1bassfreak 2 months ago
@The1bassfreak The point of due process is to be absolutely sure that someone who has been accused of this or that is in fact guilty of what they have been accused of. If you cut that right off to anyone, even a terrorist then the Justice System is no longer a system of justice. The question raised at 4:24 pretty much explains why. Besides any impartial jury would almost certainly find these people guilty.
swordhunter12 1 month ago
Megyn Kelly is one of the most vacuous, and robotic presenters I have seen anywhere! Her arguments are childish and totally uninformed. It is just amazing that anyone would hire her to do anything, except, perhaps, out of pity.
javamanV3 2 months ago
And also there was a racial attack against whites, and when I condemned it, it was LIBERALS who "reminded" me that "slavery was really bad, you know...you obviously don't understand"
So that's where it is coming form is those comments all coming from liberals. It is the liberals who use slavery as an excuse to back up violent racial attacks against white people.
KingRadbadical1988 6 months ago
@KingRadbadical1988 your argument could've carried some weight is you bothered to cite any evidence or clean up your grammar
CaptainFluffy6644 3 months ago
@CaptainFluffy6644 *if
CaptainFluffy6644 3 months ago
@KingRadbadical1988 You may be right, but in my experience, "it" is coming from people who label others without thought or discrimination.
The problem is that I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "liberals". Could you define it please? Please give this some serious thought before you reply. Thanks...
javamanV3 2 months ago
@javamanV3 Liberals can be me sometimes. I'm a liberal most of the time. Just not when it comes to gun rights. I still call myself a "liberal" a lot of times.
But a LOT of liberals, not all, seem to have the idea that "as long as its not as bad as slavery, its okay to do it to white people". Actually a very large number of them and it can get pretty violent.
A lot of conservatives think its okay to kill Iraqi babies because of 9/11, even though babies didn't knock down the towers
KingRadbadical1988 2 months ago
@aoiahiru Yes but modern liberals like Al Sharpton often assume that anyone who disagrees with them is "racist". That's where I'm getting that from. I do get called a racist when I disagree with liberals a lot of times so its not all in my head.
It reminds me of all the times I get called a "terrorist" for disagreeing with conservatives.
KingRadbadical1988 6 months ago
Megyn Kelly....what an idiot
sheilaraerobinson 7 months ago
The constitutional rights of the accused are offered only to citizens and legal residents of the country. Also, the prisoners at gitmo are prisoners of war and any trial against them should be a military trial. Ignoring the fact that these people are prisoners of war and hiding behind a constitutional clause which has no relevence to prisoners of war does not make you right.
mynameismatt2010 7 months ago
@mynameismatt2010 Actually you are incorrect the constitution gives rights to all "people" not just citizens of the USA. Also the prisoners in Gitmo are NOT prisoners of war as there was no declaration of war made by the United States, also had the United States declared war legitimately the prisoners in Gitmo would be covered under the Geneva convention and would be attending court in the Hague not in a military trial presided over by the military.
emerice 6 months ago 8
@emerice Constitutional perview applies only to citizens and legal residents, regardless of the wording.
There was an executive order to use military force, so while they may not be prisoners of war they are military prisoners. Which actually means they wouldn't fall under the category covered by the Geneva convention.
Even if they did fall under the Geneva convention, it is unconstitutional and America has no business following it.
mynameismatt2010 6 months ago
@mynameismatt2010
"prisoners of war " That's a good one!
You swallowing that lie so easily makes your ability to think for your self totally suspect. Your paraphrasing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights makes your knowledge of the law even more so.
What have you got left?
javamanV3 2 months ago
haha... threeway with Ms. Dyck
capereyda 8 months ago
"No but you don't understand...it was like really, REALLY bad".
Yes, I know.
"No but terrorism is BAD". Me- *rolls eyes*
"Are you saying you want the terrorists to WIN?"
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Idiot. And every time I criticize a liberal what I'm saying is "slavery was good". Those are my exact words. Not.
KingRadbadical1988 8 months ago
OH and btw. Before you say what I already KNOW you conservatives are going to say. I ALREADY KNOW THAT ISLAMIC TERROR IS BAD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMIND ME THAT. Also. I ALREADY KNOW THAT 9/11 WAS BAD.
This is the same shit the liberals did to me in the 90's. Every time you speak out against some sick deranged shit those liberals bleet like sheep "slavery was bad, you know. Like really, really bad." Yes I know still doesn't justify 11 year old white girls getting beat up by grown black men.
KingRadbadical1988 8 months ago
Even though the 8 year old girl never once in her life, personally, flew two planes into skyscrapers, killing 3,000 innocent citizens
Still though it makes no difference to the republicans. You could throw Mother Theresa in Guantanamo Bay and they'll just keep on saying "What are we supposed to do, feel sorry for TERRORISTS?"
Republicans think that if you don't spend every second of your life raping babies and stabbing old ladies you're "feeling sorry for people". Fuck their sick ideology!
KingRadbadical1988 8 months ago
Republicans all need to have their 8 year old daughters detained by corrupt cops, cavity searched by all male officers, tasered for "resisting" (Even if she's being 100% compliant, they will call it "resisting" to justify the sick tasering), and then put away for "an indefinite period of time" which ends up being her whole life.
All so us sick fuck liberals can laugh in their faces and say "maybe the little bitch should have thought about that before killing 3,000 innocent Americans".
KingRadbadical1988 8 months ago
Republicans are tarnishing the name of us true conservitives.
shagoosty 8 months ago
Rights? Pshaw
TailsDoIl 9 months ago
I'm a soldier, so I believe that anyone considered a POW, i.e. detainees in Gitmo, show be tried by a military tribunal, and as such have lawyers,= and a jury. Just because they don't wear uniforms doesn't mean they aren't soldiers. If you fight for a cause and have weapons, you're a soldier.
HimesInu 9 months ago
Inn respond to the second question. I think if you guess it , it can only be right. LOL, who cares about the Bill of right.
rostharan 9 months ago
mmmm, facepalm
FiveHundo500 9 months ago
God, these Fox people have NO idea, not a single clue, as to what rights are mandated under the Constitution. Can they really be this dumb??
jerico641 10 months ago 6
@ASerousWorld
I apologize, I have tendency to ask rhetorical questions in my comments, but I sort of get why we don't try Muslim terrorists, which is because we want to catch/kill terrorists without giving them any due process. Don't treat terrorists like a citizen or a POW, so we can make them suffer under a make-up-as-we-go-along code of ethics.
gj804 10 months ago
@gj804
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The continental army in the American revolution were called terrorists.
ASerousWorld 10 months ago 2
lol that freeze frame of the blond talking head looks so much like a puppet with a hand up her backside.
Fox uses blond puppets!
Mahgwa 10 months ago
Why all of a sudden do we not try terrorist in federal courts? We've tried Zacharia Moussaoui, John Allen Muhammad, Lee Malvo, Ramzi Yousef, Terry Nichols, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the Unabomber, not to mention thousands of drug kingpins, Mafia dons, and serial killers. Why the fuck can't we try KSM in America?
gj804 1 year ago
@gj804
Reap what you sow. Guess what, your politicians, representatitives and so on and even the man on the street have been publicly and directly supporting terrorism for decades.
You americans don't like hearing it, but you have for many decades funded and publicly supported terrorist organisations.
Why all of a sudeen do you not try terrorists in federal courts? Mainly because in the past decades you have PAID for them and sat back laughing at the restults.
ASerousWorld 11 months ago
@ASerousWorld Far, as I know (not necessarily an expert on The Troubles) the IRA was a terriorist group that attacked UK government. I don't think Washington would be pay a terrorist group a close ally to the US (if that was what you were suggesting)
gj804 10 months ago
@gj804
The vast majority of money funding the IRA came from the USA. Several of your current representatives actively supported the IRA and are now saying that people with links to terrorism should be investigated in a way similar to the Communist hunts of the past.
I find this hypocracy to be repugnent.
ASerousWorld 10 months ago
@gj804
As to the USA not paying a terrorist group. Who do you think funded and trained most of the terrorist groups in the middle east today? Who do you think funded, supplied weapons to, trained and provided intelligence to the taliban?
ASerousWorld 10 months ago
@gj804
If you don't believe me ask about the IRA.
ASerousWorld 11 months ago
Maybe I'm missing some applications or something.
Quethean 1 year ago
So.... Why is the video not appearing? It's all green and stuff.
Quethean 1 year ago
i do belive they deserve a trial, but lets be real here, whenever u hold a trial in the same state and juridiction(sorry if i misspelled that im a liitle sick) ur not likely to get a FAIR trial in anything, expecially when the person is an arab, has an arabian name,and most importantly, is an accused terrorist.
vikingdrizzit 1 year ago
I thought I was the only one asking that question. Without a criminal Trial, how do we know if these suspects are guilty? Apparently, in the "war on terror" which is neither a war nor on terror, just being accused of terrorism is enough. What made 9/11 an act of war? It was not sponsored by any state, nor was there a declaration made my anyone, not even Bin Laden. Terrorism is a crime. Even the nazis got trials. Those were not straight criminal trials, I will grant you, but they were tried.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 1 year ago 2
This Liberal Bias should be disturbing to all freedom loving peoples.
n0rkika 1 year ago
oh no!!! Fox News has the rebelious notion that it can be the ONLY channel that allows a dissenting (conservative) opinion......why is there no one on youtube bitching about MSNBC - it's an extension of the democratic party!
pratsha45 1 year ago
@pratsha45 I like that you admit "conservatives" are against the constitution.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@pratsha45 not to this extreme.
And I don't see MSNBC ever supporting anti-government groups like Fox does, which doesn't make it a 'traditional' news station.
In all honesty, I could care less what bullshit Faux comes up with (apparently they get their 'news' from tabloids.....), it's just the fact they claim they're fair and balanced when it's obviously the most biased group out there.
thebeardguy71 1 year ago
@pratsha45 Because it's not. On MSNBC, they criticize the Obama administration and the Democratic party all day long. There is a 3-hour block of conservative commentary every weekday morning, and the other opinion shows regularly criticize the Democratic establishment for a number of things, including its fundamental weakness and towing of the Wall Street/corporate line.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 1 year ago
@pratsha45 Robert Gibbs called them and those like them "the professional left" (an insult) and Rahm Emmanuel called them "fucking retarded." MSNBC has commentary and news segments with both liberals and conservatives like Fox or CNN, but the arguments presented are not one-sided like they are on Fox. MSNBC is often at odds with the Democratic party, so to say otherwise is just false equivalency. You appear to be buying into the lie told by the conservative corporate media. It's just not true.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 1 year ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx This is crap. Both CNN and Fox News are more balanced than MSNBC and even a liberal can tell you that. MSNBC is nothing but flaming liberals. Watch Keith Olberman and tell me I'm wrong.
BOOBOO3976 1 year ago
@BOOBOO3976
The problem isent that a news organization is baised. Everyone knows that MSNBC is left leaning and Fox is right leaning. What >>IS<< the problem is that Fox actually lies and scews information to fit their agenda where as MSNBC only reports on truthful things that support theirs. One tell the truth, the other lies....
Babylauncher3000 1 year ago
@Babylauncher3000 When you find an actual bit of 100% proof they lied present it to me. If you are able to. Well played.
BOOBOO3976 1 year ago
@BOOBOO3976 Okay, you're wrong.
XGP15A3 1 year ago
@XGP15A3 This was such an extensive and intellectual post containing so much information and proof.
BOOBOO3976 1 year ago
There will be no trials because our government is lying about 9/11.
The War on "terror" is a war waged on the constitution and Americans by the military industrial complex and banking cartels.
The same people who managed to knock down 3 buildings with two planes.
The same people who marched the underwear bomber passed to security to stick him on that plane with no paperwork.
JimboTHC 1 year ago
One of the video you have presented Sarah talked about the constitution. As a leader of a party, even destructive one, she should have taken time to read what exactly the constitution is about. I'm pretty sure she has no idea what the constitution is and funny to hear she is lecturing about it.
What really surprising is in the media no one take time and consider a serious discussion with this ignorant woman and shut her off until she gets the full content of the constitution.
ethiopatriot 1 year ago
I love how Glenn Beck portrays himself as a defender the Constitution and of civil rights, but never gives concrete examples of WHAT Constitutional freedoms the Obama Administration is allegedly curtailing while the rest of Fox News couldn't care less about those pesky fifth and sixth amendments.
GarrisonHat 1 year ago
Did the victims of the attacks get a jury trial before their sentence?
wsmith1213 1 year ago
@wsmith1213 you could ask yourself the same question with any other trial...
carymary84 1 year ago
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent. How the hell would anyone reading this like it if they were set up for one of the greatest terror attacks in history? He was tortured like crazy. How the hell must he feel? Like how does his family feel? Zionists did 9/11 and the War On Terror is a fraud. Wake up! Jesus Fricking Christ!
illuminumnuts 1 year ago
@illuminumnuts that would explain why he hasn't denied it!
wsmith1213 1 year ago
Fox and its anchors are disgusting, are they aware that they are going on the pages of History with each lie?
aguuled 1 year ago
What scares me is that people that support Fox, don't see it as biased. Whatever your political views and whatever you choose to believe is fine, but to be so blind as to not see that Fox is SO biased towards the Republican party, that is worrying. I mean G W Bush destroyed the American economy, giving tax cuts whilst running two wars, creating the conditions for wall st greed to ruin middle class and lower class people and then, unbelievably, blame Obama for the whole damn mess.
mattsonh 1 year ago
Wow. What a way to take bits and clips of news stories to generate a frankincense's creation that is nothing to do with the truth. Constitutional rights of detainees at Gitmo? These are terrorists, not citizens of the US. Constitutional rights aren't applicable there. Liberal cool-aide drinkers are so amazingly naive.
BatfoxBabe 1 year ago
@BatfoxBabe In reading the 6th amendment I didn't catch the part that said it applied only to citizens.
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy....."
Ansonidak 1 year ago
Who the fuck care about the terrorists right he should have been put in the electric chair right there he kills people who the fuck can you even defend him.
ChandlerStinks 1 year ago
Wow, this video mislead too many times to count. I am no Republican and I can see that. Your mentioning of Amendment 6 in regards to KSM is a fabrication of the truth. KSM committed an act of war.
I tell you, with clips like this it makes it harder and harder to be a democrat.
fletchdrebon 1 year ago
@fletchdrebon Yes, he committed an act of war. How does that negate his right to trial by jury?
Thrazonn 1 year ago
@Thrazonn Because he is a non US Citizen who therefore is not entitled to a trial by jury, but rather a military trial. I am not sure why this is not common knowlege?
We probably agree on a lot of things Thrazonn, but I just can't stand when things are misleading to people. To me it destroys the greater message of getting out of this war.
fletchdrebon 1 year ago
@fletchdrebon Well, no one seems to be able to decide if the Constitution applies to non-US citizens. LiberalViewer seems to present compelling evidence that it does. Either way, the ethical question remains: what's the difference between a US citizen and non-US citizen. In this case, a US citizen was also a member of Al Qaeda. So what's the difference between an Al Qaeda member who is and isn't a US citizen?
Thrazonn 1 year ago
Conservatives make up their own laws as they see fit and they think Fox News is an excellent platform from which to make their twisted views legitament. Fox New is sooo biased for conservatives that people can see right through it. They are to conservativism as what Fred Phelps is to Christianity. Many open-minded conservatives are starting to distance themselves from Fox News because of this. Easy to see why. We should all shutter at the thought of an all liberal or all conservative govt.
mikemk92 1 year ago
@mikemk92 I apologize to many conservatives as I didn't specify it in my opening sentence. "RADICAL conservatives make up their own laws..." I'm a liberal but I share with conservatives my ideas on many issues. Many of my conservative friends are open minded to them as I am to their ideas. This is how humanity, not just America, will prosper and solve the greatest of problems together. Keep religion at home and keep the needs of all in government!
mikemk92 1 year ago
It should be our goal to extend the rights that all Americans enjoy to every single solitary person in the world. There are not two standards of justice in the world only one. If Fox News had its way we all would be tried before secret tribunals and masked judges in the middle of night.
Because trying terror suspects undoubtedly will involve violating rules of evidence I propose a more lenient standard of punishment for those convicted under such a system. Go ballistic see if I care.
Zyworski 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I just drove by a major downtown bank today. It has a big electronic sign. Its says "The Answers was Obama - Can you imagine how stupid the Question must have been?".
QuesoChino 1 year ago
Explodius1990
How wrong you are. Are you blind or just naive?
Can you not see that the more the lap dog Media covers up for Obama the less credibility they have ?!
The liberal Media has for years been twisting or hiding the thruth, always presenting a leftwing biased opinion.
The American public knows that and has moved in droves to the TV or Radio programs that do not filter information according to ideology..
No wonder most leftwing Media is losing readership and viewers .
VIRIATO1942 1 year ago
lol I don't think anyone takes fox news seriously.
Explodius1990 1 year ago
@Explodius1990 WHOA. OMG Yes they do. I want to kill myself every time I see someone post something on Facebook about Fox News and all their wonderful info. :/ Maybe it's just because I live in Arkansas and everyone here is a fucking moron.
emelton07 1 year ago
The ignorance of this LiberalViewers' followers astounds me. Zazi is a legal permanent resident of the U.S. That FACT negates the vast majority of this typically lame liberal view.
alefacepay 1 year ago
Lol, it could be possible that at 3:52, she was saying that it was insane for TAXPAYER to pay for his right to testimony, but rather it hsould have come out of his own pocket for his own defence...
ltflak 1 year ago
@ltflak Why would he have to pay for the right to testify in his own defense? Do you even know how a trial works?
Thrazonn 1 year ago
DAN you're the TRUTH MAN
daverkid18 1 year ago
Excellent video especially the last 30 seconds. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was NOT the mastermind of 9/11. Rupert Murdoch representative complicity is all I can say. However on my website the SEC Insilco Holding Co. fraudulent bankrupcy from the estate of me dead of Zenadev my company BANK ONE OBAMA Chicago president attorney mobster at Sidley, Austin, Brown and Wood Section 10.17 WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL.Obama and Homeland Security Janet Napolitano involved in this astounding fraud. Jury trial please!
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 year ago
Fox news should change its name to Fox-lies.
JonGarrett2008 1 year ago 2
Yeah. I noticed that. Probably a good thing. Keeps spam advertisements and bad websites out of their realm..
muddiepuppy 1 year ago
Funny how I cant post the website that has this recording in Ronny's own words, showing once again that it is true. However I did Message you the site. Lets see if you man enough to acknowledge he was right and you were not..
muddiepuppy 1 year ago
@muddiepuppy I acknowledge that Reagan really did say what you claim he said. I have removed my post.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@muddiepuppy It appears that youtube simply won't post a link in a comment.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
"It isn't that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." -Ronald Reagan
muddiepuppy 1 year ago
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knowledgemonger 1 year ago
u will find few conservatives (if any) who believe that "suspected" "terrorists" should have "our" "fair" trials "awarded" to "them" on "our" taxpayer dime because many of them believe that only Americans "have" "rights," access 2 "our" "rights," or "deserve" any of the many "blessings" bestowed by the Constitution. Funny how God, Jesus, and the US Constitution agreed on the whole "created equal" thing, but right-wingers don't act like it! Leftist hypocrisy is surpassed only by the US Right-Wing
pharaoh9000 1 year ago
@pharaoh9000 You dont actually think we are all equal, do you? My J Frame makes me more equal.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Liberalism=mental disorder
SOF2700 1 year ago
@SOF2700
It's not like they just have different opoins.
applefrog111 1 year ago
Good work.
KennyTew2 1 year ago
If you want to be a true rights of accused, then he should be on war crimes trials, then the entire world will judge them.
hoosherdaddy 1 year ago
detained war combatants should not have constitutional rights.. nor should illegal immigrants. You have to be a citizen to have any Civil Rights. I live in America, Am I protect by Switzerland's constitution? Of course not. That's sort of a no-brainer.
brandon9271 1 year ago
It means if we find someone visiting this country who breaks one of our laws, the Mayor's thugs won't haul him off to a deserted field and beat him to death on the SUSPICION.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
Not necessisarily the result of something hard fought for, although this is in fact true. The America I want to live in embraces diversity, and recognizes that freedom means acceptance of this, even though it spawns some pretty crappy excuses for people at times.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
@brandon9271 - a no brainer for you. Again, its not that simple...the confusion about Miranda Rights is in the implementation. These rights are considered to be human rights. Basic in their nature, and therefore they encompass an ideal we believe should be fundemental in nature to all men (and women).
pjamesbda 1 year ago
Look I agree that everyone should have a right to a fair trial.. but this could be done in a military tribunal. If you do it in civilian court you compromise national security. Maybe we have "insiders" posing as terrorist.. do we blow their cover so they can testify in court? Do we reveal how we intercept their communications or all the inner working of our anti-terrorism efforts to present evidence? After all this is an on going effort. Revealing info in court could give the enemy a heads up
brandon9271 1 year ago
@pjamesbda Under that logic what's stopping the Mayor's thugs for beating to death an American citizen for suspicion of something? If our locally elected officially are all so corrupt it seems pretty hopeless regardless. And if such corruption exist on a local level then surely its all that much worse on the federal level, no? State government need more rights because they are in direct contact with the people they represent. Washington is out of touch as Healthcare and immigration has shown
brandon9271 1 year ago
@brandon9271 - the difference is that the Mayor's boys answer to the Miranda Statutes because we're cititzens, but the point is that we extend those to anyone because of our moral predilictions as they apply to mankind. (if we have any left) I have lived in other countries, and believe me, our freedoms are not so all encompassing, and people there often mock our arrogance re: our rights, and our superiori freedoms.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
@pjamesbda Informing people of their rights is the right thing to do. We have allowed the terrorists to use fear to cause us to change what we are doing. This means that terrorism has won a victory against us. If we are not willing to stand up for what we claim to believe in when it matters, we have gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to "oh no I'm not willing to take even a small risk".
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
The big question to ask is WHY? And if the answer is what I think it is, the hate mongers are already deeply rooted within our system and outside it. The bombing of the NY financial sector was no mistake. It was planned and well executed, and the shock built a concensus amoung US citizens that we must answer this force with shock and awe. The shock was watching our entire economy crash, and the awe is realizing it was the second part of the first attack.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger - cound not agree with you more. Terror has won a victory with us, because we have allowed our leaders to capitalize yet again on our war machine because by it. Can we afford to let rogue states or factions off religious extremists attack us without retribution? NO! Not from the outsie or the inside. But our leaders did not persue the guilty, they persued the expedient.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
@pjamesbda It isn't just a matter of "capitalize". Remember that Bush-II closed the Prince Sultan Airbase. This was not an action, I believe he wanted to do. It was done to appease the very sort who attacked us. This was not long after 9-11, so it really showed terrorism working.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger - I think this really shows terrorism working. Doesn't a permanent US base in Iraq bigger than the Vatican, also shows terrorism working. US terrorism!
pjamesbda 1 year ago
@pjamesbda The giant base is not terrorism working. It is just a strange sort of colonialism. The never seems to be able to leave a country once it is there. We still have troops in Germany. It costs us a lot of money. Unlike colonies of the past, it is not something that produces a profit for the nation. It is tax payer supported.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Since we're offering opinions here I think that you and pjamesbda need to find some other forum to stroke each other. You are both wrong and we are such a great nation that we are willing to tolerate your stupidity for the sake of your right to be fools.
hottgp 1 year ago
@hottgp This is such a great nation that you are free to make statements like that. Nobody requires you to know or even to understand the truth when it is presented to you. Now go back to your cave.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@brandon9271 Do you remember what "states rights" was code for lets keep our foot planted on the necks of the blacks in our state? State governments have a truly awful record on such matters.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
The classic was the confusion propogated regarding legislation on healthcare, ie. that people hated the bill, lumping everyone who wanted a stronger bill in with ones who did'nt want it at all. So superficial...
pjamesbda 1 year ago
What a perfect example. How many times do we have to hear how evil big gov. is "forced down our throats" (i love turning the tables don't you?) only to hear about how lacking the defense budget is, or how Obama didn't enforce the regulation sufficient on off shore drilling, blah, blah...
pjamesbda 1 year ago
we need Government to do the things we cant do own our own. Military is necessary. Social Programs, Entitlements and Corporate bailouts/takeovers are not necessary.
brandon9271 1 year ago
Isn't it hilarious how conservatives argue for smaller government and try to spread fear of government interference, but at the same time they would like all restrictions on gov't power lifted just to be 'more secure' - whatever that means. It's wrong, and it happens constantly. Thanks for calling'em out on it LiberalViewer!
djupp 1 year ago 2
I really wish Fox would just come out of the closet.
Fair and balanced my ass.
Quethean 1 year ago
@Quethean That's the only reason why I hate Fox News. I don't have a problem with them presenting biased "news". If they would just rename themselves Conservative News, at least people would know what they're getting themselves into when they turn to that channel. But people who get their "facts" from media outlets are misguided and misinformed. As a result, you'll start seeing someone holding up a sign that reads: "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
*sigh* -_-
KDALove 1 year ago
I think a lot of Liberal are confused about that.. You see, many folks are well informed of both sides of the issues and actually CHOOSE to be conservative! I know its have to believe and it SOUNDS crazy but we aren't all a bunch of inbred, redneck, Bible thumping illiterates. Some of us are actually well-read and college educated and just want the Federal Government to give control back to the states. Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legalized Pot, etc should NOT be decided on a Federal level.
brandon9271 1 year ago
So while it is nice to say "we want our liberty back" or "we want gov. off our back" that overlooks big parts of the issue, and it is in this that many draw the conclusion that you are a ignorant redneck, because you don't grasp the complexity of the issues.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
@brandon9271 - right on. Certain thing should be decided at the hearth and home level. They have no business being legislated at all, but then we run into these issues about inheritences, and spouse rights and responsibilities in which the State is involved - like it or not.
pjamesbda 1 year ago
If you were out watering your grass and found your new next door neighbor was a fox news anchor what would you do? Are you in danger? Do you have to be polite and pretend you do not know they are evil liars? What if your kids want to play, would you let them? Imagine what those kids are learning at home. "now son here is a gun, and that is a picture of a black man who is poor, what do you do now? com on son you know what we taught you...shoot the evil moneyless black person. Good boy.
derberg19486 1 year ago
It's TV. :/
deadman12078 1 year ago
It's supposed to be news and facts
Pumpitupmaster 1 year ago
@Pumpitupmaster No... it's entertainment. Othrwise there would be no flashy intros or ads or tickers to look at when you getr tired of looking at the blond or the perdy cityscape in the background.
You right. It is supposed to be news but there is too much money involved not to be bias.
deadman12078 1 year ago
It's as balanced as Olberman's show and the rest of the MSNBC lefties.
KSM is not an American citizen. Constitutional rights are for American citizens. He is entitled to a trial, but it does not have to be of the type that a citizen is guaranteed. A military trial is fair. It's more than the Al Qaeda loons ever gave Nick Berg.
Runz32 1 year ago
The constitution is for USA citizens alone not for foreigners and scum bags!
kruat43 1 year ago
@kruat43 lol next time i see a foreigner, I'll make sure to both rob AND rape them since apparently they have NO protection under our constitution whatsoever :-) thanks for the heads up!
birthdaynick80 1 year ago
@kruat43 You made milk come out of my nose.
haloboz 1 year ago
Is it just me, or does the still frame of the Fox News talking head at the beginning look like the Jabberwocky?
yerk3 1 year ago
hey just to let you know i had it wrong, wasnt Einstein i was thinking of, the quote was I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
-Galileo.
like i said its been years of drugs and drinking, memory gets fuzzy lol.
dragons2k100 1 year ago
straight news program....dyck
ChesterMolested 1 year ago
Fox news, and anyone who condones torture, undue incarceration, or solitary confinement and harsh techniques on men who turn out to be innocent, are traitors
PlanetoftheAtheists 1 year ago
lol i see so freedom of speech use equals traitor, see i would call those pricks who protest at troops funerals traitors, but im sure your right.
dragons2k100 1 year ago
and as a small side note 80+% of swiss are catholic/protestant, 4% islam or so, and they recently (year or 2 `ago?) banned the building of new mosques because the threat and teachings of islam are somewhat, evil, there are 4 in the entire country unless somethings changed.
they also have a small jewish community.
anyways they were a very unsubstantial country other then as a trade route prior the the french occupation, which of course turned the loose confederation into what it is today.
dragons2k100 1 year ago
lol it sounds like he says fucks news
Karmacutioner 1 year ago
this Dyke on this three way? LULZ
John3285 1 year ago
Two points:
1) Until judged guilty through due process, the accused are innocent.
2) At the heart of the political schism in the Benighted States of Amnesia is identified at 3:16 in the words "real conservative."
For their affirmation of liberties, people like Greyson, Finegold and Kucinich are far more conservative than anything spawned at Faux.
KeeperOfTheWord 1 year ago
all mainstream media is designed to look like a friend
while helping to diminish your rights. They work together,
pretending to be enemies. None of the other networks air "Reporters Blow Whistle on Fox" Noe the prick who owns this channel I bet.
TheTruthPusher 1 year ago
The last time I checked, some of these so-called conservatives don't even know what is written in the very Constitution they uphold so strongly... so I'm not surprised that people on Fox News don't know the 6th Amendment.
Yes, I'd rather believe that these people are ignorant than they are hypocrites.
Craglozer 1 year ago 2
ahh but do you know the sixth amendment? thats the real question, yes supreme court has extended it to anyone in the 50 states+provinces, but we have something called the geneva convention that we use, as well as the 4 court system in the US
dragons2k100 1 year ago
I find it funny that LiberalViewer is constantly calling people biased when he is as well.
Aids5211 1 year ago
@Aids5211: It is true that he has his own opinion on these things and I think he might have admitted it himself once or twice but he is also interested in his viewers' opinion and, to be honest, I don't think he ever said he wasn't biased and it's one thing for a youtuber to be biased but it's another thing for a news station to be biased. You'd never see this kind of bias on something like BBC News.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@Aids5211
but his name does admit that fact. would be cool if there was a ConservativeViewer video series
thehawk9165 1 year ago
How can some people think they have no right to a jury trial? How do you even know for sure that they're guilty? I mean really, what right do you have to pass judgment without knowing all of the facts?
PhilWithCoffee 1 year ago
I would have thought that where the constitution refers to people it means all people, not just United States people. If the constitution can support charging, trying and sentencing a person it should be done as laid out in the constitution.
You can't pay lip service to a set of rules when it is expedient. That way anarchy lies.
Now if it was up to me I'd have had them taken out and shot years ago. Thankfully I've never aspired to be in a position of authority.
wmg111 1 year ago
Here is my advice as we begin the century that will lead to 2081. First, guard the freedom of ideas at all costs. Be alert that dictators have always played on the natural human tendency to blame others and to oversimplify. And don't regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with to free, public, unhampered expression. ~Gerard K. O'Neill, 2081
ruralpotter 1 year ago
A trial is a platform for the accused to give his agenda to others? That way of thinking is exactly what is wrong with the US.
Pax00Imperium 1 year ago
lol Ms. Dyke
Psycatalyst 1 year ago
Let me see if I can sum up your argument..."OH MY GOD, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK/THINK LIKE ME IN WASHINGTON! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! DIFFERENT PEOPLE FILL ME WITH MIND-ERASING TERROR, SO I'M GOING TO SPOUT OF RACIST/CLASSIST NONSENSE TO COVER!!!" Did I get it about right? I do try so very hard to be accurate.
Bernstein1917 1 year ago
@Bernstein1917 - The Race Card from the bottom of the deck yet once again! It would help maybe if the next Black President was actually a verifiable natural born American citizen instead of a British/ Kenya/ Indonesian/ son of a Mau Mau Citizen of the World! A real Black American wouldn't be scheming an evil plot to bankrupt the country and deliver it to Communists.
StinkingHombre 1 year ago
@StinkingHombre Maybe your point would be better recieved if it wasn't slathered with so much racist slime that I have to wipe off my screen every time I read your posts.
Bernstein1917 1 year ago
Believe me, Stinking, I would rather see you dead, too, but life just isn't that easy. As I said before, Obama has taken no action that can legitimately be called Communist, but he has done quite a bit to reinforce the capitalist class' control of the system. And, as a member in good standing of the Socialist Party, I can tell you that we do not approve of the majority of Obama's actions. Now, once again, please lay off the anti-Semitism. It makes you look like an even bigger moron.
Bernstein1917 1 year ago
@Bernstein1917 - No huh? How about the buyout of GM? Perhaps maybe the forced sale of Chrysler to Fiat? No? Maybe his wonderful friends, Frank Marshall Davis, Anita Dunn, Van Jones? No huh? Just because he hasn't had the balls to provoke the country any further by attempting to implement Communist policies doesn't mean he isn't a Commie @ heart now does it? It just means that he is weary of having his ass impeached if he did!
StinkingHombre 1 year ago
Listen people I would much rather violate the civil rights of a few terrorist anyday then end up with a severe attack. Just think people if we were to have an attack where 6 or 7 major cities got hit with chemical weapons. An attack at that level would nearly destory the whole country. Think of the k-os the whole country would spin out of control think how many years it would take to recover. All because liberals want to protect the rights of terrorist. Liberals may cost our country.
Josephandalice 1 year ago
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security- Ben Franklin
AND apparently the rest of our Founders, since they made that idea central to our Constitutional rights. These rights are not just for our citizens, but for all who fall under our legal system. BTW, I know you "just know" that all the detainees are guilty, but I feel more comfy letting our legal system work.
ruralpotter 1 year ago
Oh, and stop using the word liberal as a weapon. First you are wrong. I am a moderate generally who is somewhat libertarian in my thoughts. I tend to be liberal/libertarian in civil rights matters. I am extremely conservative in matters of economy, trade and defending the Constitution of the US!
Secondly, the liberals I know are mostly good patriotic folks who keep us in balance. If you enjoy clean food and water, it is liberals to thank.
ruralpotter 1 year ago
Finally, our founding fathers were not easily defined by such simple ideologies. We shouldn't be either.
ruralpotter 1 year ago
But trying to find an impartial jury for him, is going to be a challenge
Seargent363 1 year ago
If Obama fucks this up it could cost America a very very high price. Hundreds of thousands of americans lives could be lost.
Josephandalice 1 year ago
Hey I was just trying to make a point. Besides you honestly expect there to be no security to handle the situation, and if your that scared get a gun and shoot him when he arrives at the trial.
Seargent363 1 year ago
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Josephandalice 1 year ago
All it takes is one juor to let KSM walk. Just one. We should have never allow him to be tried in a regular crimmal court. Just think if the KSM trial became another OJ trial. You know how foolish America would look?
Josephandalice 1 year ago
"You know how foolish America would look?" LOL....as opposed to...when?
yupper99 1 year ago
Maybe I wasn't clear, I don't think he should be tried in civilian courts, for those are reserved for people who are citizens, green card holders, those vacationing here, and those trying to become citizens. That's why I think it says people. I mean for trying someone(to my knowledge)has never even been to America in a civilian is laughable.
Seargent363 1 year ago
First, your repeated statement that this particular Fox News program is "straight" news is wrong. The format has striaght news then goes into debating the subjects. Second, I do not believe that the rights and privligages should be extended to these non US citizens. A military trial will give them far more justice than they would have gotten in their own countries!!
willrobg 1 year ago
Foreign combatants have never been afforded US constitutional rights. Laws of armed conflict and the Geneva Convention take precedence in these cases. And, military tribunals have always presided over these types of trials, not US civilian courts.
afretired04 1 year ago
"foreign combatants" have been historically been members of armies from sovereign nations that can surrender to us. This is not the case today. Some of these detainees are citizens of our allies and some are minors.
ruralpotter 1 year ago
This is true. It is a new kind of war, though, with a variety of enemy demographics. I believe the same rules apply, however. In the military, we take an Oath of Enlistment or Commission, and we swear to uphold and defend the US constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. I think it boils down to... a war has been declared, and the enemy IS the enemy. I'm sure nobody chooses their side lightly...it's an ugly world we live in.
afretired04 1 year ago
Thank you for informed civil debate on this. It is unfortunately rare. My first concern is that all prisoners get some kind of legal trial. To hold a prisoner who is not part of a soveriegn nation is not OK. (If not a official POW, then they get a criminal civilian trial.) For Non-POWS who are formally trained soldiers; military tribunals would be appropriate. For non-soldiers, criminal courts might be appropriate. And where is the right court for those who were children when they were detained?
ruralpotter 1 year ago
I'm guessing Megan Kelly slept her way to the top.
CosmicCannonBall 1 year ago
if i was innocent give me a