Also: Do a google search for 'bile bear suicide'. You will find the story of a mother in a farm who strangled her own cub and then killed herself out of desperation. Also some farms make the bears wear an 'iron vest' which prevents the bears from banging their stomachs against the bottom of the cages in order to commit suicide. They were actually killing themselves in great enough numbers that they had to develop a vest to prevent them...
Sorry for the double post but this just ENRAGES me!!
This is insanely cruel, and it makes me truly ashamed of my own species. Not only is there a synthetic equivalent available that is made from the bile of livestock, but there are plenty of herbal remedies as well as.... oh, I don't know - a HEALTHY diet and lifestyle which prevents most disease - all of which make bear bile ABSOLUTELY unneccessary.
Fucking awful, imagine sitting in a cage were you can't even turn around for 22 years and having nothing to do at all and having some food served on a plate infront of the cage just to keep you alive.. fucking disguisting..
I hate china, not all the people but ALOT of them!
@ursibaby100 super rich westerners wear animal skin as fashion and where did they get that from? aint it from cruelly skinning the animals as well? we are all guilty of it. don't act innocent. when this problem happens, please think about the root cause and how to solve it. wiping these people will not solve the problem as there will be more of them in the future.
@superstud666 first of all please google bear bile and check the current research done on bear bile. it has been proven that it could help keep heart in good rhythm. research are done by british heart foundation and imperial college of london. so if you say curing with bear bile is a witchcraft then you are saying those two institution is bullshit. please get your facts right
but having said that, i totally despised what these people did. there must be a more ethical way of doing it...
@vivspring Fuck you and your voodoo bullshit, chink! How dare you even try to justify this? Your culture is disgusting. I've seen the way your people snort and hork and spit all over the place and how you don't wipe your asses after you shit. Chinese people are practically animals themselves. Completely uncivilized.
@farawayreach whatever. i'm justifying the science of bear bile in medicine not how it is being obtained. i disagree with the cruelty that is being done to the bears as well. but you are mixing these two things together.
and look who is swearing now. you are the one who is uncivilized :) u can swear all you want till your vein explode. i wont be agitated even a bit
@farawayreach You racist motherfucker! Exactly what one would expect from you filthy Americans. You fuckfaces are the reason why SOPA and PIPA exist! Jump into a fucking black hole so that your existence will mean something.
@superstud666 You're half right and half wrong. I hate animal torture just as much as you do. But Chinese medicine is not witchcraft bullsht. Learn your facts and read more science books before posting dumb statements
@waistoi Fuck their medicine and their disgusting culture and their communism. These are people who don't know enough not to shit on the floor. They walk around the city spitting mucus and phlegm all over the street. They are DISGUSTING!! Their food stinks and they actually eat bugs. The worst atrocities known to humanity originate in China. It is a Hell on earth and a disgrace to humanity.
Things like this angered me and makes me feel ashamed of being an asian/ chinese, even though i am not a china Chinese. What is wrong with them doing all these idiotic things.
@superstud666 And Americans are perfect saints am I right? Which is precisely why they would never perform inhumane acts such as unethical human experimentation (or would they?)
@superstud666 You are already being racist by generalizing. You people are nothing better. Make sure your country doesnt do any animal abuse before u criticize.
You guys talk about inhumanity as if it's only the chinese who does it. what about Mcdonald's???? KFC???? they brutally kill those chickens too. and FYI. NOT CHINESE.
Chinese come from everywhere. DO NOT GENERALIZE. How'd you like if we'd to generalize too? those people are from CHINA. and only a minority or them. know your stuff. tyvm. and not all chinese are from china.
Hey folks who are dissing the Chinese-it's not just limited to one race or one nation you people. I mean, think about the fashion designers who kill seals,rabbits, and such for their FUR and SKIN?
milking the bears is truly horrible and the chinese people who are doing it are horrible. but don't hate on the entire chinese race for the actions of a bunch of nutjobs.
@superstud666 I m a Chinese, but not from China. I don't side them either. Bear bile, isn't witchcraft stuff, but a real medicine. In ancient, people kill the bear and use it. There isn't any cruelty. Its just a normal life cycle, but nowadays they resort to bile milking, which for me, SERIOUSLY, seems extremely inhumane. Due to very different teaching and level of education in China, alot, and I really mean alot, millions, still have the thinking that bear bile are the best medicine available.
It's sad to see a movie about animals being tortured in awful ways makes people hate on each other and spew racism. I thought the bear concept would disgust me, yet the comment here have managed to disturb me more.
i say fuck the poor people of asia and also fuck white guilt. i lived in vietnam for 3 years and the locals, both poor and rich, disgusted me with their fucked up attitudes about people, animals, foreigners, and life in general. i'd take the company of a bear over the company of a gook any day.
@BlackBearsLove umm chill..... Bear bile has many remedies and is needed in many hospitals...... the bears got to understand this will save many lives......
chinese have their own beliefs. you have your own beliefs. you are being very racist. as a matter of fact, human are the disgusting ones. we care only abt the human race and no other animals.
stop with this anti-chinease racist comments. Not all chinease people abuse animals, some (this may be shocking) actually care about the animals, notice how there are chinease animal rights groups?
We can all help a bit with this, tell people, go to demonstrations. I got a bear cage made, hired a bear suit and sat in it. I raised £150 which paid for the food for a year for a rescue bear
This is not happening in all eat asian countrieas, for example nOT JAPAN. They have on of the worlds hardest rules for animals. They adore dogs and cats and all animals. But in southern asian countries such as China and vietnam they are far behind.
that would be the easy way out. i would much rather prefer that they suffer with harsh pain for the rest of their lives much like these poor innocent bears have. no creature of any kind deserves this kind of cruelty.
there is no such thing as that, just by living you are hurting someone else, the more people there are, the more people suffer, and remember this cruelty was for medicines which help us, eating meat is also something that helps us but kills animals, you must be someone that doesnt eat meat because it "steps on someone's foot"? well whatever you eat will kill something be it plant or animal.
This kind of treatment of living things is relatively endemic in Asian culture, in Cambodia poor people trade their own children for sexual favours to visting foreign pedophiles for food! What did you expect, and why so shocked?
i hate any animal being harmed this is wrong in every way!! i am glad some people have the guts to do something about it.. these farmers should have this done to them.......see how they like it!
The bear bile trade is the most disgraceful, ugly, evil shame that humans have inflicted upon their fellow mammals since the times of the Romans. Of all the wrongs and cruelties we impose upon animals worldwide, it's the worst, and the first that needs to go.
Thanks for posting this and spreading the word on showing respect and compassion towards our brother species we share this small blue planet with.
Thank you so much for helping the bears. Thank you Jill for your hardwork for helping this bears.This is such animal cruelty, and it has to stop. All animals have the same rights just like humans, and also the right to be wild and free. They are not on earth to entertain very sick people.
Ya write to them so they got more paper to wipe their asses with.More like get a good film crew out there during the Olympics.While they busy trying to impress the world.The film crew could tell the real story on how they treat their fellow creatures.Just to think how they would shit themselves lol
Thanks for posting this video on this most terrible problem. Bear bile farming has got to be the worst form of animal exploitation and abuse on the planet.... but please, everyone, instead of posting hateful comments, help spread the word on the plight of the moon bears and do all you can to stop it, starting wtih writing to the Chinese government. Thanks.
Like topjimmy said "They have no human rights why would they have any animal.Only animal they care for is the few remaining Panda.And only reason Panda is the world would evoke a shitstorm they could only imagine the consequence of. But to treasure their 1 kind of Bear and do that to their other,sickens me!
LEFT IN CAGES FOR 22 YEARS these chinese that consume bear bile are so fricken stupid ignorant freaks. Have you seen how they treat dogs and cats before they eat them. THEY ARE GOING TO HELL. The chinese citizens really need to buck up help these animals, stop hiding and ignoring what your sick laws are, or is it that hard? I don't know, I'm not in China.
@stopallanimalabuse Lets place aside any racist or unfriendly comment. I don't eat dog/cat meat or bear bile. In China where famine struck pretty often, people had no food, so resort to eating those. For some stupid reason, people in the city "monkey see monkey do", did the same thing. In Europe or USA, dogs/cats are pet, but you cannot deny they will become man's food when man are being pushed to the extreme. You have to understand why they behave this way, criticizing don't solve the issue. =)
Why when offloading the bears would you have cameras, lighting and pictures being taken. Surely the animal has recieved enough stress, discomfort and torture from it's previous life, with this situation mounted on top. It would simply worsen the journey.
leave it to the communist chinese party to teach its citizens how to hate all forms of life. They have no human rights, why would they have animal rights??
Think before open your mouth!
What about animals used in medical experiments in the west? Its hundred times more cruel than bear farm.
Though I against all kinds of animal abuse.
hk96006345 2 days ago
exist 75 herbal alternatives to bear bile!!!
torturing helpless animals??? stuiped busters
salutvsem1 1 week ago
This is terrable! its not human its fuckin busters!!!! They must die
salutvsem1 1 week ago
Also: Do a google search for 'bile bear suicide'. You will find the story of a mother in a farm who strangled her own cub and then killed herself out of desperation. Also some farms make the bears wear an 'iron vest' which prevents the bears from banging their stomachs against the bottom of the cages in order to commit suicide. They were actually killing themselves in great enough numbers that they had to develop a vest to prevent them...
Sorry for the double post but this just ENRAGES me!!
RuinOrPeace 6 months ago
This is insanely cruel, and it makes me truly ashamed of my own species. Not only is there a synthetic equivalent available that is made from the bile of livestock, but there are plenty of herbal remedies as well as.... oh, I don't know - a HEALTHY diet and lifestyle which prevents most disease - all of which make bear bile ABSOLUTELY unneccessary.
RuinOrPeace 6 months ago
Fucking awful, imagine sitting in a cage were you can't even turn around for 22 years and having nothing to do at all and having some food served on a plate infront of the cage just to keep you alive.. fucking disguisting..
I hate china, not all the people but ALOT of them!
Satituite 6 months ago
WHAT IS WRONG WITH CHINA Why are they abusing, skinning animals alive ????May God strike them down
ursibaby100 6 months ago
@ursibaby100 super rich westerners wear animal skin as fashion and where did they get that from? aint it from cruelly skinning the animals as well? we are all guilty of it. don't act innocent. when this problem happens, please think about the root cause and how to solve it. wiping these people will not solve the problem as there will be more of them in the future.
vivspring 6 months ago
@superstud666 first of all please google bear bile and check the current research done on bear bile. it has been proven that it could help keep heart in good rhythm. research are done by british heart foundation and imperial college of london. so if you say curing with bear bile is a witchcraft then you are saying those two institution is bullshit. please get your facts right
but having said that, i totally despised what these people did. there must be a more ethical way of doing it...
vivspring 6 months ago
@vivspring Fuck you and your voodoo bullshit, chink! How dare you even try to justify this? Your culture is disgusting. I've seen the way your people snort and hork and spit all over the place and how you don't wipe your asses after you shit. Chinese people are practically animals themselves. Completely uncivilized.
farawayreach 6 months ago
@farawayreach whatever. i'm justifying the science of bear bile in medicine not how it is being obtained. i disagree with the cruelty that is being done to the bears as well. but you are mixing these two things together.
and look who is swearing now. you are the one who is uncivilized :) u can swear all you want till your vein explode. i wont be agitated even a bit
vivspring 6 months ago
@farawayreach Why U Racist, Bro?
zonip67 6 months ago
@farawayreach You racist motherfucker! Exactly what one would expect from you filthy Americans. You fuckfaces are the reason why SOPA and PIPA exist! Jump into a fucking black hole so that your existence will mean something.
KnockxYouxDown666 1 month ago
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ChrisBenoit4evar 6 months ago
@superstud666 You're half right and half wrong. I hate animal torture just as much as you do. But Chinese medicine is not witchcraft bullsht. Learn your facts and read more science books before posting dumb statements
waistoi 7 months ago
@waistoi Fuck their medicine and their disgusting culture and their communism. These are people who don't know enough not to shit on the floor. They walk around the city spitting mucus and phlegm all over the street. They are DISGUSTING!! Their food stinks and they actually eat bugs. The worst atrocities known to humanity originate in China. It is a Hell on earth and a disgrace to humanity.
farawayreach 6 months ago
Disgusting and retarded china people
TheEliteSin 7 months ago
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TheEliteSin 7 months ago
Things like this angered me and makes me feel ashamed of being an asian/ chinese, even though i am not a china Chinese. What is wrong with them doing all these idiotic things.
fayean8869 7 months ago
@superstud666 And Americans are perfect saints am I right? Which is precisely why they would never perform inhumane acts such as unethical human experimentation (or would they?)
sheratzy 7 months ago
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sheratzy 7 months ago
@superstud666 You are already being racist by generalizing. You people are nothing better. Make sure your country doesnt do any animal abuse before u criticize.
selenaleong15 7 months ago
You guys talk about inhumanity as if it's only the chinese who does it. what about Mcdonald's???? KFC???? they brutally kill those chickens too. and FYI. NOT CHINESE.
selenaleong15 7 months ago
Chinese come from everywhere. DO NOT GENERALIZE. How'd you like if we'd to generalize too? those people are from CHINA. and only a minority or them. know your stuff. tyvm. and not all chinese are from china.
selenaleong15 7 months ago
Hey folks who are dissing the Chinese-it's not just limited to one race or one nation you people. I mean, think about the fashion designers who kill seals,rabbits, and such for their FUR and SKIN?
milking the bears is truly horrible and the chinese people who are doing it are horrible. but don't hate on the entire chinese race for the actions of a bunch of nutjobs.
PlalalaP 7 months ago 7
im chinese. and am from singapore. but this is seriously fucked up
Shufflingscout 7 months ago 3
@superstud666 I m a Chinese, but not from China. I don't side them either. Bear bile, isn't witchcraft stuff, but a real medicine. In ancient, people kill the bear and use it. There isn't any cruelty. Its just a normal life cycle, but nowadays they resort to bile milking, which for me, SERIOUSLY, seems extremely inhumane. Due to very different teaching and level of education in China, alot, and I really mean alot, millions, still have the thinking that bear bile are the best medicine available.
edwinzang 7 months ago
@superstud666 I'm chinese and I can't deny that. They are inhuman.
xHolyPeanuts 7 months ago
It's sad to see a movie about animals being tortured in awful ways makes people hate on each other and spew racism. I thought the bear concept would disgust me, yet the comment here have managed to disturb me more.
Arethriel 7 months ago
seriously fuck china.
mjolnir313 7 months ago 2
@superstud666 NICE BABY :D
nonojustSTFU 7 months ago
@Q8379 Fuck you ASIAN. I'm a asian and i'm totally disgusted by what you said. Where's your fucking conscience ? Eaten up by beast already?
nonojustSTFU 7 months ago
i can't imagine how pain those bear suffer without anesthesia . Damm those china worker !!!!!!
nonojustSTFU 7 months ago
those china people are so heartless . How could they do this ? China is a land of animals torture!
nonojustSTFU 7 months ago
NUKE THE FUCKING CHINA PEOPLE.
nonojustSTFU 7 months ago
@Q8379
i say fuck the poor people of asia and also fuck white guilt. i lived in vietnam for 3 years and the locals, both poor and rich, disgusted me with their fucked up attitudes about people, animals, foreigners, and life in general. i'd take the company of a bear over the company of a gook any day.
qazxsw9871 8 months ago
Jive ass motherfuckers! Shoulda bombed them too after saving the Animals!
BlackBearsLove 8 months ago
BEAR BILE IS MIRACLE MEDICINE
ajaykeer23939 9 months ago
@ajaykeer23939 BULLFUCK BITCH! FUCK YOU!
BlackBearsLove 8 months ago
@BlackBearsLove umm chill..... Bear bile has many remedies and is needed in many hospitals...... the bears got to understand this will save many lives......
ajaykeer23939 8 months ago
Chinese are monsters.
cochinealake 9 months ago
chinese have their own beliefs. you have your own beliefs. you are being very racist. as a matter of fact, human are the disgusting ones. we care only abt the human race and no other animals.
MichealxJordan 10 months ago
@MichealxJordan Just one day hope someone fucking poke a metal tube in your bladder and let you feel how it's feel . BASTARD ASIAN DOG
nonojustSTFU 7 months ago
NUKE THE FUCKING CHINESE
beargryllsiskl 10 months ago
God save the world from these sick chinese........ They would do anything for money .
lydiazeinab 10 months ago
if i knew them i would shove a tube in their stomach and leave them to die on the ground THEY CAN ALL GTH BITCHES
dummwayy 11 months ago
@superstud666 "the Chinese are the disgusting ones." is already racist = =
thexyn 1 year ago
MOON BEAR BILE NOW BRINGS BAD LUCK - NUMBER 4 4 4
curse4charma 1 year ago
MOON BEAR BILE NOW BRINNGS BAD LUCK NUMBER 4 4 4
curse4charma 1 year ago
his makes me happy
666barbie 1 year ago
Sadly, EACHS BEAR SPECIES'RE BRUTALLY USED 2 MILK THEIR BILE... EACHS SPECIES BUT D PANDA BEAR SPECIES :MAD: :( :( :(.
DISGUSTIN :(. I HATE IT :MAD: :(.
75LEONidAs75 1 year ago
What in hell is wrong with PEOPLE?
walk4trot2canter3 1 year ago
stop with this anti-chinease racist comments. Not all chinease people abuse animals, some (this may be shocking) actually care about the animals, notice how there are chinease animal rights groups?
124yuppers 1 year ago 2
@124yuppers I totally agree ;).
Ure right, friend :). I know a few of them :). Even chinese actors & musicians bcame their embassadors :).
75LEONidAs75 1 year ago
STOP FUNDING TORTURE.
GO VEGAN.
eljagg01 1 year ago
am so disgusted with chinese people's stupid traditions!!! traditional chinese medicines are useless! come on!!! we're modern now!
clayecruz 2 years ago
GOD HELP US!
SantaMariadeBuenAyre 2 years ago
We can all help a bit with this, tell people, go to demonstrations. I got a bear cage made, hired a bear suit and sat in it. I raised £150 which paid for the food for a year for a rescue bear
ashernardone 2 years ago
thats brill!!
babygirlss2006 2 years ago
If i found those fucking idiots, who do that to the bears, i will, and promise kill them!
BalsbyxD 2 years ago
This is not happening in all eat asian countrieas, for example nOT JAPAN. They have on of the worlds hardest rules for animals. They adore dogs and cats and all animals. But in southern asian countries such as China and vietnam they are far behind.
jordbubban 2 years ago
Only Humans could be this Cruel. Bring on 2012!!!
fazehead 2 years ago 2
So many people are absolutely disgusting! ...Unless "humanity" changes, it is doomed.
Thank you so much for these rescues.
1221solstice2012 2 years ago 3
poor bears we can stop this
paisabombom2133 2 years ago
What the fuck!?! Poor bears !
Some of these fuckers should really be executed.
Jesus00000000000 2 years ago 3
that would be the easy way out. i would much rather prefer that they suffer with harsh pain for the rest of their lives much like these poor innocent bears have. no creature of any kind deserves this kind of cruelty.
nahrain89 2 years ago
i havce never ever heard of this its really fucking disturbing
666barbie 2 years ago 6
I'm still hoping and wishing for people to change doing cruel things like this... *sigh
rule no.1
you can do anything you like and
anything that makes you happy
as long as your not stepping someone's
others foot.. and not hurting anyone.
change should start within our selves
then it must told to everyone...
hope anyone get the message i want to say...
borontok08 2 years ago
there is no such thing as that, just by living you are hurting someone else, the more people there are, the more people suffer, and remember this cruelty was for medicines which help us, eating meat is also something that helps us but kills animals, you must be someone that doesnt eat meat because it "steps on someone's foot"? well whatever you eat will kill something be it plant or animal.
fog0death 2 years ago
i agree with dldupuy,
i really believe that china is the most disgusting evil in the world.
they are going to use anything and anyone
just to earn profit for their own...
most of them don't have conscience. how can they live in luxury while someone's suffer..
i don't understand people like this...
borontok08 2 years ago 2
This kind of treatment of living things is relatively endemic in Asian culture, in Cambodia poor people trade their own children for sexual favours to visting foreign pedophiles for food! What did you expect, and why so shocked?
powerpeoplefan 3 years ago
Kept in cages for 22 years !!!!!!!
What in gods name are governments doing about this ???
kingelnino9 3 years ago 2
anybody who says americans are evil are just tools. the chinese treat all there animals like shit.
some of these bears live twenty to thirty years in these torturous positions.
burn the chinks
NuttZach206 3 years ago
China is one of the most digusting EVIL countries ever!
dldupuy 3 years ago
i hate any animal being harmed this is wrong in every way!! i am glad some people have the guts to do something about it.. these farmers should have this done to them.......see how they like it!
spacebunny83 3 years ago
The bear bile trade is the most disgraceful, ugly, evil shame that humans have inflicted upon their fellow mammals since the times of the Romans. Of all the wrongs and cruelties we impose upon animals worldwide, it's the worst, and the first that needs to go.
Thanks for posting this and spreading the word on showing respect and compassion towards our brother species we share this small blue planet with.
BanWolfHunting 3 years ago 2
Drop a fucking bomb on the lot of them.
Constructionbear41 3 years ago
saloperie de chinois
tibo595959 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
im on cam and bored
someone smart please help me tj
073172854 3 years ago
shame on you asian bastards!!!!
meola11 3 years ago 3
Thank you so much for helping the bears. Thank you Jill for your hardwork for helping this bears.This is such animal cruelty, and it has to stop. All animals have the same rights just like humans, and also the right to be wild and free. They are not on earth to entertain very sick people.
Save the animals!
95thHarley 3 years ago 2
we are the beasts!
cristina25ophy 3 years ago
Please stop this horror, it's intolerable...
God bless those rescuers!
And shame on you, stupid asians and bear bile producers!!!
Aquila81 3 years ago 2
This is beyond cruelty, my heart is in pain, Please God help these beautiful animals!!
jhguevara71 3 years ago
That made me even sadder. I just watched another sad video! We need more people to help animals, like these bears, to stop this kind of cruelty!!
14blackwolf14 3 years ago
Ya write to them so they got more paper to wipe their asses with.More like get a good film crew out there during the Olympics.While they busy trying to impress the world.The film crew could tell the real story on how they treat their fellow creatures.Just to think how they would shit themselves lol
SaveCetaceansNOW 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this video on this most terrible problem. Bear bile farming has got to be the worst form of animal exploitation and abuse on the planet.... but please, everyone, instead of posting hateful comments, help spread the word on the plight of the moon bears and do all you can to stop it, starting wtih writing to the Chinese government. Thanks.
journeyman47 3 years ago
Like topjimmy said "They have no human rights why would they have any animal.Only animal they care for is the few remaining Panda.And only reason Panda is the world would evoke a shitstorm they could only imagine the consequence of. But to treasure their 1 kind of Bear and do that to their other,sickens me!
SaveCetaceansNOW 3 years ago 2
God bless those rescuers. You can hardly imagine the relief and happiness of the bears.
AnimalsAnimated 3 years ago 2
LEFT IN CAGES FOR 22 YEARS these chinese that consume bear bile are so fricken stupid ignorant freaks. Have you seen how they treat dogs and cats before they eat them. THEY ARE GOING TO HELL. The chinese citizens really need to buck up help these animals, stop hiding and ignoring what your sick laws are, or is it that hard? I don't know, I'm not in China.
stopallanimalabuse 3 years ago 23
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75LEONidAs75 1 year ago
@stopallanimalabuse Most animals are handled that way, everywhere. Chickens, cows, whatever. The human race is fked up.
xHolyPeanuts 7 months ago
@stopallanimalabuse Lets place aside any racist or unfriendly comment. I don't eat dog/cat meat or bear bile. In China where famine struck pretty often, people had no food, so resort to eating those. For some stupid reason, people in the city "monkey see monkey do", did the same thing. In Europe or USA, dogs/cats are pet, but you cannot deny they will become man's food when man are being pushed to the extreme. You have to understand why they behave this way, criticizing don't solve the issue. =)
edwinzang 7 months ago
Why when offloading the bears would you have cameras, lighting and pictures being taken. Surely the animal has recieved enough stress, discomfort and torture from it's previous life, with this situation mounted on top. It would simply worsen the journey.
BDFPA 3 years ago
What the hell!
What happend to china Actually?
The previous one i saw TIGER, Rakon now its Bear!
What happend to the chinese there?
in what era are they living in?
THEY ARE JUST SO STUPID!
they really act like ,,,,
CAVES MAN!
penny0102 3 years ago 3
I'm with you. They are stupid, w the bears!
FiorDiCiliegio86 3 years ago
leave it to the communist chinese party to teach its citizens how to hate all forms of life. They have no human rights, why would they have animal rights??
topjimmy72 3 years ago