Id say a lot of the pics put forward for comparison here were bias toward Sergio in an attempt to show Arnold in poor light by comparison ( & even then he looked superior )
@Peter9761 "Shapeless lump?" Gee, these Arnold fanatics are clueless and misinformed. Anybody who favors thighs that were inferior and triceps and forearms that were weak, coupled with wide hips were deprived of oxygen.
Read an article on Larry Scott, in which he had made a comment in thanking his lucky stars that he was glad didn't have to go head to head with Sergio because he was so huge and didn't have any weak points.
@Peter9761 I wouldn't call him weak by no means, he was one strong fella, but his arms look wierd, huge triceps without enough detail overpowering his strange, long biceps and his delts. Abs. Huge back, but again, lack of detail. He was a great bodybuilder, if he had payed more attention to conditioning and muscle separation, he would have been perfect. And by the way, calling your personal opinion factual is hmmm... no too modest, to say the least.
@Banderius79 Then tell me what bodypart was weak?
As for the 'lack of detail' you need to see good footage of him-for example from the '68 Olympia.
The nonsense that he paid no or not enough attention to conditioning is propaganda from Weider,not backed up by his actual condition in his prime.
As I said,see good footage then comment-its no good looking at pics from the late seventies when he had no need to diet right down in order to still win in lesser contests.
@Banderius79 There is plenty of good film of him from Olympia contests-the 'Sergio The Myth' DVD from GMV has a lot of it.
He was naturally ripped-I believe only needing to diet for 6 weeks prior to contests.As Bill Pearl said "Sergio was the first of the thin skinned vascular bodybuilders" Quite a long way from the biased view of that cheat Weider,which for some strange reason people still swallow.
The evidence of his great condition in his prime is there-its just lazy to choose to believe crap
@Peter9761 I wouldn't call him weak by no means, he was one strong fella, but his arms look wierd, huge triceps without enough detail overpowering his strange, long biceps and his delts. Abs. Huge back, but again, lack of detail. He was a great bodybuilder, if he had payed more attention to conditioning and muscle separation, he would have been perfect. And by the way, calling your personal opinion factual is hmmm... no too modest, to say the least.
at :49, you clearly see (unless your blind Arnold devotee) that Sergio's structure is beyond what Arnold was. From his incredible V-taper to the small waist and hips to the flared thighs and massive calves (Sergio's were much better from the front.). Sergio's most muscular, front and rear lat spreads destroys Arnold. No contest.
"Addition to leg size?" Jesus! Arnold had absolutely no leg sweep whatsoever! Cut with no developement whatsoever. Lol! Skinny beyond belief. He weighed 237 lbs. at his peak. Hell, Dexter Jackson is five ft. 6" at 235! And he's considered small. Arnold is tiny compared to BB's today. Lol!
@hardcorehouse "Addition to leg size?" Jesus! Arnold had absolutely no leg sweep whatsoever! Cut with no developement whatsoever. Lol! Skinny beyond belief. He weighed 237 lbs. at his peak. Hell, Dexter Jackson is five ft. 6" at 235! And he's considered small. Arnold is tiny compared to BB's today. Lol!
Plenty of pics of Arnolds alleged improvements here,from 73-74,yet no evidence of it.
0:47 shows Arnold walking on stage,74 Olympia,with the usual thin thighs.Not surprising,as he had no reason to kill himself in the gym with no Sergio to face.After 72 he went downhill.
I'm still waiting for you to give Sergio's weaknesses,and thats Sergio at his peak.
As to your crazy assertions of me not knowing this and not knowing that,you seem a bit obsessed with what you think you know and everyone else doesn't.You don't know anything about Sergio that I couldn't tell you.Your problem is you are an Arnold groupie who refuses to see he was inferior.
You don't even appreciate a good pic of Sergio when you see it.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Great video, Peter. Shows both men at their peak. Sergio structurally is superior with better bodyparts such as legs, forearms, triceps, waist (v-taper), and thicker back with thicker and wider shoulders. Anybody who can't see that, needs to go practise golf or throw darts at a local bar.
@neilp77 It's apples and oranges actually, as there's no perfection only shades approaching it. For every pro or con, there is a strength/weakness elsewhere. Thus it comes down to personal taste. No one ever mentions that the pictoral comparisons are flawed in most cases including here, because there are so many more good pics taken by Weider's photographers during Schwarzenegger's peak years whereas there are few taken of Oliva during his best years-most are from too early/late in his career.
@hardcorehouse So what is your point? Arnold lacks proportional structure here. He has small thighs with wide hips. He has good bicep peaks with no forearm developement and triceps. He admitted defeat in 72 with Weider backing him up. What are you talking about?
@Peter9761 Of course Schwarzenegger and Oliva were equals, and to ignore that and claim otherwise simply displays a great deal of bias. In truth, they were both sublime in different ways, and both had flaws that the other usually didn't have-which is a great part of what makes the comparisons so compelling. Something like Ali and Frazier. What no one notices including you is that there are very very few pics of Oliva at his peak that circulate, thus the comparisons including here are flawed.
@hardcorehouse Who says I don't notice the lack of good pics and footage of Sergio? Its obvious Arnold had much better coverage.Also obvious is that they were not equals.Genetically there is no comparison,in fact.
Arnold had weaknesses,Sergio did not have a weak bodypart.
If someone's 'personal taste' means he can ignore the better size,shape and structure of Sergio simply because he prefers Arnold's wide waist,thin thighs etc,then his taste is flawed.
@Peter9761 You didn't realize the poor choice of comparative pictures even though your claims of his superiority aren't backed up at all by those poor pictures that were largely taken early when he was smooth, or far later in the 80s, when he was over the hill. Oliva had as many weaknesses as Schwarzenegger, but because you're an overt Oliva groupie in lieu of objectivity, you'll continue spewing this know-all while knowing little nonsense LOL
@hardcorehouse Ah your true colours show,an Arnold devotee.
In fact,the pics of Sergio are very good,many stills from his famous 72 film.I wouldn't expect you to realise this as clearly you don't know what you are looking at.
You will have to list Sergio's 'many weaknesses' (This should be a laugh)
@Peter9761 Your defensivness is showing again, Oliva groupie. What i've offered is a balanced assessment that included a defense of your hero that went right over your silly head. Very few Oliva pics capture him in top shape, and his best shape didn't happen that often either. In fact he now admits he should've stayed with Arthur Jones longer, because it too someone else to push his ass-something else you didn't know. It's only in his rare best shape that he's in the ballpark of Schwarzie 73/74.
both of them are great!
MrMrDickism1 3 weeks ago
Arnold every time for me. Sergio was HUGE but was a shapeless lump ( in my opinion).
Check Arnold's quad definition , longer sweeping lats and terrific shapely biceps.
Id say a lot of the pics put forward for comparison here were bias toward Sergio in an attempt to show Arnold in poor light by comparison ( & even then he looked superior )
Cragails 1 month ago
@Cragails Hmmm no-you are seeing good pics of both men-no need for bias as Sergio was far superior.
Anyone who think sergio was 'a shapeless lump' knows nothing about bodybuilding.
Peter9761 1 month ago
@Peter9761 "Shapeless lump?" Gee, these Arnold fanatics are clueless and misinformed. Anybody who favors thighs that were inferior and triceps and forearms that were weak, coupled with wide hips were deprived of oxygen.
neilp77 1 month ago
Read an article on Larry Scott, in which he had made a comment in thanking his lucky stars that he was glad didn't have to go head to head with Sergio because he was so huge and didn't have any weak points.
neilp77 3 months ago
"Arnold had weaknesses,Sergio did not have a weak bodypart." That's a "bit" biased, isn't it ? :D
Banderius79 5 months ago
@Banderius79 No,purely factual.
If you think Sergio had a weak bodypart then say so.
Peter9761 5 months ago
@Peter9761 I wouldn't call him weak by no means, he was one strong fella, but his arms look wierd, huge triceps without enough detail overpowering his strange, long biceps and his delts. Abs. Huge back, but again, lack of detail. He was a great bodybuilder, if he had payed more attention to conditioning and muscle separation, he would have been perfect. And by the way, calling your personal opinion factual is hmmm... no too modest, to say the least.
Banderius79 5 months ago
@Banderius79 Then tell me what bodypart was weak?
As for the 'lack of detail' you need to see good footage of him-for example from the '68 Olympia.
The nonsense that he paid no or not enough attention to conditioning is propaganda from Weider,not backed up by his actual condition in his prime.
As I said,see good footage then comment-its no good looking at pics from the late seventies when he had no need to diet right down in order to still win in lesser contests.
Peter9761 5 months ago
@Banderius79 There is plenty of good film of him from Olympia contests-the 'Sergio The Myth' DVD from GMV has a lot of it.
He was naturally ripped-I believe only needing to diet for 6 weeks prior to contests.As Bill Pearl said "Sergio was the first of the thin skinned vascular bodybuilders" Quite a long way from the biased view of that cheat Weider,which for some strange reason people still swallow.
The evidence of his great condition in his prime is there-its just lazy to choose to believe crap
Peter9761 5 months ago
0:41-great back detail-the pic from the session in London two days after the '72 Olympia.Thats after two days off his diet.
0:50,from '73,guest posing in Japan-in great condition without a contest diet.
See film of him guest posing at the Mr USA contest in '76-in great cut condition,and remember that was guest posing.
Peter9761 5 months ago
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@Peter9761 I wouldn't call him weak by no means, he was one strong fella, but his arms look wierd, huge triceps without enough detail overpowering his strange, long biceps and his delts. Abs. Huge back, but again, lack of detail. He was a great bodybuilder, if he had payed more attention to conditioning and muscle separation, he would have been perfect. And by the way, calling your personal opinion factual is hmmm... no too modest, to say the least.
Banderius79 5 months ago
at :49, you clearly see (unless your blind Arnold devotee) that Sergio's structure is beyond what Arnold was. From his incredible V-taper to the small waist and hips to the flared thighs and massive calves (Sergio's were much better from the front.). Sergio's most muscular, front and rear lat spreads destroys Arnold. No contest.
neilp77 9 months ago
Sergio is superior in every way as a bodybuilder and as a competitor,
Arnold had to be an immoral A-hole with mind tricks that anyone could have done but chose not to because they respected their competitors
WILLUSUBSCRIBE 9 months ago
@1987PANAGIOTIS Yeah I hadn't seen that one either.
Peter9761 9 months ago
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"Addition to leg size?" Jesus! Arnold had absolutely no leg sweep whatsoever! Cut with no developement whatsoever. Lol! Skinny beyond belief. He weighed 237 lbs. at his peak. Hell, Dexter Jackson is five ft. 6" at 235! And he's considered small. Arnold is tiny compared to BB's today. Lol!
neilp77 10 months ago
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@hardcorehouse "Addition to leg size?" Jesus! Arnold had absolutely no leg sweep whatsoever! Cut with no developement whatsoever. Lol! Skinny beyond belief. He weighed 237 lbs. at his peak. Hell, Dexter Jackson is five ft. 6" at 235! And he's considered small. Arnold is tiny compared to BB's today. Lol!
neilp77 10 months ago
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neilp77 10 months ago
Plenty of pics of Arnolds alleged improvements here,from 73-74,yet no evidence of it.
0:47 shows Arnold walking on stage,74 Olympia,with the usual thin thighs.Not surprising,as he had no reason to kill himself in the gym with no Sergio to face.After 72 he went downhill.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@Peter9761 Geez! We are dealing with an imbeciles here. Stupid people here, with multiple accounts. Lol!
neilp77 10 months ago
@neilp77 True.Bio-disorder man is dead in the water.Thats one gone anyway.Three million to go.
Peter9761 10 months ago
I'm still waiting for you to give Sergio's weaknesses,and thats Sergio at his peak.
As to your crazy assertions of me not knowing this and not knowing that,you seem a bit obsessed with what you think you know and everyone else doesn't.You don't know anything about Sergio that I couldn't tell you.Your problem is you are an Arnold groupie who refuses to see he was inferior.
You don't even appreciate a good pic of Sergio when you see it.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Lol!
There you go,your 'balanced' assessment is nothing of the sort.According to you,forearms don't matter,for example.Could it be because Arnie's were poor?As to thighs there is no comparison.Arnold lacked size and shape (no outer sweep) plus poor hamstrings.
Large forearms are indeed a prerequisite for great arms,just not to you.
Arnold 73-74? Way overrated.No improvements over previous years,plus he had no expectation of Sergio showing up,he of course knew he was banned.
Peter9761 10 months ago
Great video, Peter. Shows both men at their peak. Sergio structurally is superior with better bodyparts such as legs, forearms, triceps, waist (v-taper), and thicker back with thicker and wider shoulders. Anybody who can't see that, needs to go practise golf or throw darts at a local bar.
neilp77 10 months ago
@neilp77 It's apples and oranges actually, as there's no perfection only shades approaching it. For every pro or con, there is a strength/weakness elsewhere. Thus it comes down to personal taste. No one ever mentions that the pictoral comparisons are flawed in most cases including here, because there are so many more good pics taken by Weider's photographers during Schwarzenegger's peak years whereas there are few taken of Oliva during his best years-most are from too early/late in his career.
hardcorehouse 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse So what is your point? Arnold lacks proportional structure here. He has small thighs with wide hips. He has good bicep peaks with no forearm developement and triceps. He admitted defeat in 72 with Weider backing him up. What are you talking about?
neilp77 10 months ago
@peter9761
If you made a top ten list of bodybuilders, would you place Arnold in it?
OdinsonBalder 11 months ago
@OdinsonBalder Yeah of course.I'd put him ahead of everyone before him except Sergio,and ahead of all of the fake gh users of today.
I'd put Padilla in '81 ahead of him.For consistency he'd be ahead of Padilla too.
I'm not an Arnold hater,he was great,just not in Sergio's class.
Peter9761 11 months ago
@Peter9761 Of course Schwarzenegger and Oliva were equals, and to ignore that and claim otherwise simply displays a great deal of bias. In truth, they were both sublime in different ways, and both had flaws that the other usually didn't have-which is a great part of what makes the comparisons so compelling. Something like Ali and Frazier. What no one notices including you is that there are very very few pics of Oliva at his peak that circulate, thus the comparisons including here are flawed.
hardcorehouse 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Who says I don't notice the lack of good pics and footage of Sergio? Its obvious Arnold had much better coverage.Also obvious is that they were not equals.Genetically there is no comparison,in fact.
Arnold had weaknesses,Sergio did not have a weak bodypart.
If someone's 'personal taste' means he can ignore the better size,shape and structure of Sergio simply because he prefers Arnold's wide waist,thin thighs etc,then his taste is flawed.
Peter9761 10 months ago
@Peter9761 You didn't realize the poor choice of comparative pictures even though your claims of his superiority aren't backed up at all by those poor pictures that were largely taken early when he was smooth, or far later in the 80s, when he was over the hill. Oliva had as many weaknesses as Schwarzenegger, but because you're an overt Oliva groupie in lieu of objectivity, you'll continue spewing this know-all while knowing little nonsense LOL
hardcorehouse 10 months ago
@hardcorehouse Ah your true colours show,an Arnold devotee.
In fact,the pics of Sergio are very good,many stills from his famous 72 film.I wouldn't expect you to realise this as clearly you don't know what you are looking at.
You will have to list Sergio's 'many weaknesses' (This should be a laugh)
Peter9761 10 months ago
@Peter9761 Your defensivness is showing again, Oliva groupie. What i've offered is a balanced assessment that included a defense of your hero that went right over your silly head. Very few Oliva pics capture him in top shape, and his best shape didn't happen that often either. In fact he now admits he should've stayed with Arthur Jones longer, because it too someone else to push his ass-something else you didn't know. It's only in his rare best shape that he's in the ballpark of Schwarzie 73/74.
hardcorehouse 10 months ago
Very well done! You got some rare photos of Sergio. Must have been alot of work!
Flexuhuu 11 months ago
@Flexuhuu Yes a lot of searching.I'm sick of looking at pics of both men.
Peter9761 11 months ago