But seeing kerim cry like that broke my heart aswell:(( I don't like t way she treats him. She knows deep down he's not guilty so y make him suffer for so long. What else can he do he's really trying hard bless him:(
Erdogan sanki Mustafayla dertle$iyordu sandik katlettik kizin hayatini derken bukadar aldatmaca olmaz yani.Artik sadece Fragmanlari izleyip gecsek daha heycan verici olacak sanirim.Evin GÜLÜ evde olmayinca zevk de vemiyor.En azindan Mukaddes biraz heycan katiyor of yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sinir Dizi.
Let's hope she will realise it soon cos I've got no patience left:)) even I would fall in love kerim. Let alone kerim even erdogan aswell lol:)) god forbid. no common it's been 4 months we should really c some action. It's getting boring:(
It is SO vital that fg sees mustafa through that door. Otherwise what's the point in the scene happening in the first place. She has to see him. I hope she gets a flash of some night vision lol
@ebzycik I think she won't see him through the door but I can imagine that after he leaves she will go to the window and and look and see him from there.
@erayekin1 omg why????!!!! i thought it was one of the best episodes :s yes ok there was no amazing scene between fatmagul and kermis but the scene she yelled at him totally broke my heart and yet i still don't blame her considering what she's been through, it will take a while but we will get some romantic episodes, im sure she will realize that kerim is the one for her ;)
@kivancburak biliyorumda bukadar kotu olacagini hickimse tahmin etmediydi! Fragman daha heyecanliydi! Sanki onun uzerinde daha fazla calismislar gibi :S
Belliydi zaten bu Bölümde hicbirseyin olmicagi! Sanki Fragman'da heycanli seyler gösterildi, Bilmiyormuyduk sanki bu bölümde kerimle Fatmagülün karsilamicaklarini?? Hem nerden biliyorsunuzki Fatmagülün mustafayi görmicegini bi cekilde camdan bakar birseyler olur yani FG elinde sonunda evine geri dönücek! @ebzycik buraya bir haftadan beri herkez bu bölümde birsey olmicagini yazdillar zaten.. Belliydide ..
@57890eme don't bother nothing really happened anyway!!! Kerim and the others know where she is, fg told them she was at asus house. Kerim begged her to come home but she threw a fit again. Mustafa comes to the door at the end but what a coincidence the electricity suddenly cuts out when fg looks threw the door how unoriginal! Other than that nothing happened just the rich familys boring life stories
hayalkirikligini sıkılmak anlaminda soyledim. yani fragmanda gorduklerimizin disinda bir atraksiyon olmuyor. fragmandaki heyecana kapilip bolumde daha fazlasini gormek istiyoruz ama bizi şaşirtamiyorlar maalesef.
Arkadaslar gercekci olmaz olmaz diyoruz AMA bu dizi gittikce beni hayal kirikligina ugratiyo. Madem mustafayi kapiya kadar getireceklerdi en azindan zahmet Edip fg gorsun de bolum bosuna zay zuy cekilmis olmasin :S bolumde hicbirsey olmadi. Hicbisey! Ve fg mustafayi gormezse 17yide harcayacaklar fg eve gitmiyorum diye diye
@57890eme Yeah. I don´t want to spoil it for you but don´t get your hopes up. This episode was just nothing. Everyone just walking around their homes. lol Really weird actually. :-(( Hoping next week will be better. Well it cannot be worse. lol
@alexiakous I did not expect anything since I knew this episode was not going to be that great but it was boring and all they showed was the Yasharans and empty stuff. This is my personal opinion. :-) The only good thing was FG talking to Kerim which shows progress because before she would not have talked to him.
@Sevda39ify Do you know, what I think ; we follow the steps of the Ask I Memnu with some changes of course (note: remember in which episode (it was at ep 14 or ep15) Adnan had found the note which had been taken by Bichter of her sister’s house and what happened then). So i think that we will have developments for the couple from episode 20 and after .
@Sevda39ify Ι also believe that Fatma has started to have feelings for Kerim and she reacts like that because she is trying to hide her feelings.
She kept the letter and she was reading it often at nights why; And at the dance i believe that she feels more uncomfortable than nervous and yes I agree with you, it is a good point that they, at least, talk on the phone.
@alexiakous I think so too. She definately has developed some feelings for him. It was obvious during the dance. She was a bit nervous. She is a very proud girl. :-) Yeah. The upcoming episodes will have some positive changes I think. :-)
sacmalik bu... Bizi enayi yerine koyuyorlar!!! Tam fg bakacakken isiklar kesiliyo!! Hersey tesaduf bu dizide! Asunun vurala gitmesi emreyi sip diye bulup fge yonlenilmesi, mustafanin butun bu sacma yalanlara inanmasi, erdoganin soforu olmasi, selimi takip Edip sonra unutup kiclarindan ayrilmamasi, tecavuzun sabahi butun jandarmalarin icinden bula bula mukonun selimin nisan yuzugunu bulmasi. Ya bizde butun hafta oturup persembeyi bekliyoruz bisey olacak diye!!!
bende seviniyordum kerim artik mukadessi susturuyo diye ama nerdee ondaki o cene herkese yeter:)) ama anlamiyorum simdi mustafa s.e.v supeleniyormu yoksa gercekten bukadar saf aptalmi
gercekten ya bu ne . Bende birdaha fragmanlara bakmiyacagim. Bak görürsün haftaya FG kapiyi acmiyacak. Kapida kimin oldugunu bilmiyor göremiyor cünki. Mustafada geri gidecek.
bundan sonra izlemicem fragmanlari. diziyi izlerken sizi meraklandiracak birseyler olmasini bekliyorsunuz ama olmuyor cunku olan biten hersey gercekten de 1 dakikada toparlanabilecek kisalikta. en onemli sahneler ve de replikler fragmana konuluyor mutlaka. fragmani onceden gormus olan izleyici de hayal kirikligina ugruyor haliyle.
Remember you guys we are all making some random assumptions.....in real life no one no one would coup with what happen to FG it is way too difficult to forgive and forget
@roseblossomgul it's true what you are all saying but he shouldn't have taken any drugs in the first place. Peer pressure is no excuse. Drinking was one thing but that just went one step too far. Kerim has alot of making up to do. The others are unforgivable ofcourse but he is very wrong for what he did, or even didn't, do! Actions as well as Omissions can be a crime!
If I was in FGs shoes, I would want to confront him. After the tragedy she didn't have the chance to talk to him. He didn't want to hear anything. If I looked through the peep hole and saw him there, I would open that door and scream every bad word under the sun, and demand to know WHY he did nothing to stand by me.
hey everyone, i was reading comments, and there is no need to argue with another about a series. Its a TV serie, meant for people to watch and enjoy, and yes teach us lessons about right and wrong....remember it is fiction, and if it were reality happening to you, Allah knows how anyone would react to the situation....so don't pass judgement upon anyone, and respect the art of acting, and sit, watch, and enjoy the series.....if that can't convince you, than atleast respect the people who work
Exactly that's t word " bird brain" u have no idea how much I hate him. Turned his back to fg and is now talking about revenge. Idiot. What revenge u freak u didn't care one bit when she was in hospital.
And mustafa really thinks he is something wearing all that smartwear. He's so brainwashed it makes me sick. There he is driving around the rapist who ruined FGs life which he so confidently believes he did not do. Bird brain!!!!!!
The audacity to even think that Kerim is a much more better person than Mustafa, Are you kidding me ? SMH! Stop backlash' him and focus on the actual rapists...
We would never know if Kerim was going to rape Fatmatgul before she passed out....the same applies to Mustafa letting her attend school to get her high school diploma....etc...etc
Yes, we all know that Kerim is more educated than Mustafa, but that didn't stop him from watching his 3 friends gang raped her while he watched.
@SLVPOSH what s wrong with uuuuu people kerim was druunk & under drug influence he didn't even remember what exactly happened that night ... so stop saying" he watched his friends raped her " he wasn't in his normal mental state .....his only fault was that he hung up with these losers and accepted to take z drug pills & he should be blamed for that .. done .. period
@Yaraangel1 I think even FG knows this. :-) Although she is very proud she knows that there is a difference between Kerim when he is drunk and sober. Did you notice that she looks at how much he drinks at the party and when they went out with Asu? Her eyes were on his glass both times.
@Sevda39ify yes i noticed that and i think she wants 2 continue her studies cz Kerim has a BA and more educated than her so she doesn't want 2 feel inferior .... she didnt think abt education when she was with mustafa cz both r at z same level..... if u also noticed her reaction when kerim offered to help her with her studies :D
@Yaraangel1 I think she also is motivated to continue her eduation and work because she has a positive female role model in her life which is Ebe Nine. She never had a "normal" female role model in her life before. I mean no mother and she only saw crazy Mukades and Mustafa´s witch mother. lol
@Yaraangel1 There's is nothing wrong with me, the question is, what the hell is wrong with you ? I guess you wouldn't be defending anyone had you been in Fatmagul's situation. Look outside the flaccid of romanticism and focus on reality. Does what Kerim and/or Mustafa did makes it okay ? Hell NO....All I have been hearing is people making excuses for Kerim which is rather disturbing, for they all fall into the same category regardless of how good a person they might be or might not be.
@Yaraangel1 I agree with out about how he was under drug influence and once ur under it, it changes you completely for a while and if he wasnt under drugs condition he probz would of stopped them.
Even if Mustafa does not know for sure, he seems to have an inkling that Asu is "moonlightening," which, in itself, is rather pathetic - especially given his moral "values" per se. He talks with both sides of his mouth (so to speak).
Ne zaman Kerim icki icse FG huzursuz oluyor (Enise/Emir/Kerim/FG dortlusu olarak yemek yediklerinde ve yilbasi aksaminda), onun icin Kerim'in FG'un onunde icmemesi lazim. Bunun disinda Enise kendisini teyzesiyle oturan bir kiz olarak tanitti FG'e. Fragmanda yok ama 16.ci bolumde FG teyze durumunu sorgulamazsa biraz tuhaf olur gibi. Genelde dizileri takip ediyorum ama FGSN dizisi kadar hicbir diziye bu kadar ilgi gosterdigimi hatirlamiyorum. Ellerine saglik yapimcilarin.
@xxmelda75xx ama melda, yapma simdi, yani kerim zaten kategori disi. benim diziyi seyretme baslica sebebim engin akyurektir. o sebeple sayma geregi duymadim bile:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 16da agliycak, bagiricak, cagiricak, yikip, geciricek ortaligi, sanirim bu bolumu cekilir kilir sahneler onlar olucak. duygu dolu oyunculuk bekliyorum engin'den gene...
ummm, asu is a call girl right? isn't that the polar opposite of what he's looking for? I'm not sure but does mustafa know what asu does? there was this scene where she came with her stocking ripped and she said it was a casualty of her job. apart from that, i think he has her card right?
@redg18 yes, he knows what she does. when he called her the first time or somewhere around that time, when he asked her if she was a masseuse, she was like "are you kiddin me? you really thought i was a masseuse? come on, mustafa... :DDD "
haklisin lal umarim öyle olacak.Kerimde öyle cezasini cekiyor bir $ekilde evet.Hepsi cezasini cekecek sanirim en cokta Erdogan uyuzu zaten terslikler babasinin ölmesiyle ba$ladi.Ilahi Adalet denen bir$ey var.Herkes bir $ekilde ektigini bicer.
Bu Dizide cok begendigim olay her Oyuncu görünü$üne göre Karakter almi$ yada rollerinin hakkini vermi$ler cok begeniyorum hemen hemen hepsini.
@xxmelda75xx sanirim aralarinda en zayifi mustafa. bi de onun sesi gercek diil, dublaj ya, cok fark ediyo. his daha az, daha donuk. bi de daha 1.bolumde kuramadilar bende mustafa-fgul kimyasini, o yuzden hic inanamadim o coculuk askina ben. erdogan kotu karakterinde saglam, vural da depresif rolde... bi de selimi oynayan hos aktor ama o da oyunculugunu gelistirebilir. gene de rol acisindan ben galiba muko'ya tek gecerim:) o nasil bir oyun gucudur. esra hanim, mukoyu fenomen hale getirdi!
evet okudum bir yerlerde Mustafa Asuyla hayatini birle$tirecek diye.Yani cahillikten cikip Cagda$ olmaya cali$acak :) Bence Ana kuzusu Mustafa Asu nun mazisini hic bir zaman anlatmicak Anne öyle kabul edecek Gelinini :) Ama dedigin gibi bende o ani heycanla beklicem.
@xxmelda75xx melda, hayatta her sucun/hatanin bi "diyeti" vardir. kerim, karsiliksiz ask acisiyla oduyo bu diyeti, mustafa bi hayat kadinina asik olarak odiycek, tabi diger 3 rezil cok daha buyuk odiycek. vural bunalimlara dustu bile, sira selim'e de, erdogan'a da gelir elbet. boyle saf ve iyi genckisin "ah"ini aldilar. kolay kolay cikmaz o oyle...
Ben asunun hayatini yargilamiyorum. Eminim istemeden dusmustur o yola. Onu kinadigimdan soylemedim. Mustafaya sinirimi anlatmaya calisiyorum yani fg kinadi begenmedi simdi yaptigina bak. Ben onu bir kasik suda bogmak istiyorum
....ve Asuyla ilerde evlen olacak i$mi bu? Ama belki Asuda istemeyerek bu yola dü$mü$tür? Bilmiyoruzki hayatini henüz anlatmadi nasil bu yollara dü$tü.
Kerimde Fatmagülü tecavüz etseydi onun hakkinda da öyle dü$ünürdüm Beterrrrrr olsun diye.Af maf yok V.S.E. ye hepsi cezasini cekecek günün birinde.
Mustafa tam bir ana kuzusu en nefret ettigim tip. Hem fg sahip cikma hemde namusum diye peslerine dus. Fg begenmedi asuya asik olcak. Ya cok sinir oluyorum dizide bosuna kalabalik yapiyo. One passive gullible freak
Tr de örf ve adetlere göre cogu aileler böyle dar görü$lü i$te.Dizide de tipik bir Türk ailesini canlandirmi$lar el alem ne der diye hareket ediyorlar Toplum icin ya$ayanlar.Anna kuzusu Mustafa Ni$anlisini alip Istanbulda o ya$aya bilirdi herkesden uzak Sahip cika bilirdi ama nerdeeeeeee öyle bir geni$ aile cok cok nadir bulunur.
@xxmelda75xx yok ya ben cok sayida degisen, modernlesen aile goruyorum. 70lerin sonunda universiteli toplulugun cocuklari su an daha farkli bu grup anne-babada cok daha farkli turkiyede. sanirim turkiyenin en buyuk sorunu, egitim seviyesi artarken genede sehir ve kirsali arasinda cok fark olmasi. yoksa cok modern erkek anneleri de var. ama gicik oldugum mustafa ve onun ailesi tiplemesi de cok tabi hala...
bu sö<ledklerin aileyle ilgisi yokki insan la ilgisi var..
mustafa isteseydi fatmagülle evlenrdi aylesine ramen ama o gerizekali basklarin söylediklerine kandi ve hep de kaniyor zaten ve kizda sucu buldugu icin kizi da terk etti,
simdi de namus namus diye pesinde nereden o senin naumsun oluyor be adam ?
Ama Fragmani tam izlediyseniz Fatmagül yerinden kalkipda kapiya gidiyor yani i$iklar kapali birde sanki Mustafada i$igi kullanmadan kapinin önünde görüyor.Fatmagül $imdi Mustafayi o karanliklarda nasil görecekki??? illahaki soracak kim o diye?
Ayrica Mukaddes hanim her yere burnunu sokuyordu merakindan kiskancligindan felan.O gece Fatmagüle deseydi ya dur bende seninle geliyorum diye heheeheh ama Dizi i$te olacagi vardi.
Zaten mustafaya iyce sinir oldum. Hem kizi birak git hemde namus seref de. Benim bildigim namusta serefte Boyle olmaz. One bicim erkek ya passive saf omu intikam alcak. Yaa o digerlerinden supelenmiyomuydu sanki selimi takip etmisti diye hatirliyorum. Simdi nasil hemen vazgecti:/
@erayekin1 ya mustafanin ailesi, kiz kirlendi diye yuzune bile bakmadilar, vicdansiz dar goruslu insanlar. zaten mustafanin annesi daha 1.bolumde belliydi tipik ogluna asik kaynana oldugu. nerde o kadin nerde meryem abla... aslinda mustafa da daha o igrenc gece oncesi belli etmisi tarzini, fgulun elbisesi islandi diye kizmalar, cep telefonu bozuldu diye suphelenme, nisan gecesi bi adamla (kerim) 2 laf etti diye kiskanma. bana bikkinlik veren erkek tipi. ne o ne annesi cekilicek gibi diildi.
Tabiki vural da suclu AMA hic olmazsa vicdan sahibi. Baya etkilendi kendini afedemiyor aciyorum onada. Selim ve erdoganin umrumda bile diyil onun icin onlarla kiyasladiginda biraz daha hafifletici sucu AMA sadece diyer ikisine gore. Kerime gelince dizi icin asik olsun istiyorum AMA benim gozumde dizideki butun erkekler hatali abi haric:(
@erayekin1 benim gorusum: kerim hatali kafasi iyide ama ordaydi, durduramadi. s.e.v. zaten hatali, aralarinda en cok uzulen belki vural ama 3u de kendini affettirmek icin napiyo? hicbi sey, kusura bakmayim ama geceleri bi fahiseyle uyuyup ona beni affet dedirtmen bi sey yapmak diildir, vural bencilce depresiyo o kadar. mustafa da aciklama firsati vermeyip, fgul'u ve sozumona sevgisini sahiplenmedigi icin hatali. ama aralarinda hatasini duzeltmeye calisan bariz tek bi adam var, o da kerim...
neye üzüleceksin ya Mahf ettiler kizin hayatini.Tecavüzcülere asla acimak olmaz nekadar Vicdanlari sizlayip sonradan Pi$man olsalar bile hatta bunun ucunda ölüm bile olsa beter olsunlar :)
Aslinda Kerimede cok kizmak lazim cünkü o haliyle bile duruma el atip Engel olabilirdi ama neyse o sucsuz bir Sekilde.
aslinde kerimin F.G.` e alkollü ve uyusturucunun etkisin altinda tecavüz etmemesi zaten bunun sadece bir dizi oldugunu gösteriyor, bir insan bu sartlar altinda kendini kontrol edebilmesi... nasil olacak cok merak ediyorum ?!
enellemeye gelince eger kerim alkol ve uyusturucu kullanmasaydi belki bu 3 sapigi bir sekilde durdurabilirdi ama o haliyle? ASLA
"öyle bir gecer zamanki" Dizi sini cogu insan cok begenerek izliyor üstelik kaliteli Dizi dedikleri halde izlemiyorum takilmayayim diye Dizileri sevmem ayrica türk Tv bile yok evimde hepsi internet üzere.Ama Fg Dizsini birincisi Engin Akyürek icin, birde bu kizin hali ne olacak nasil geli$ecek diye izliyorum ya :))) Böylelikle ilk defa bir Dizi izlemi$ oluyorum !!!!!!! Prost Mahlzeit
hahahaahhaah evette biliyorsun türkce bu ne yöne cekersen öyle anla$ila bilir yani. Offffffff ya cocuk dogurmaktan beter bir durum sanki bazen insanin sabri zorlaniyor.Aslinda bazen dizi yayinlaninca iki üc gün sonra izliyorum vallahi sirf sinir oldugum icin :)))) neyse size daha iyi tahminler dilerim.Bakalim kim hakli cikcak sonunda.
@tulhan2011 ben cok dizi seyretmedigim icin bilemiyorum. emre ilginc bi karakter de bazen cok densiz laflari oluyo. su yilbasi partisindeki "icince dagitiyo musun" falan gibi ama kotu niyetli diil. orasi kesin... bence kerim'e de abi gozuyle bakiyo, onla takilmayi falan seviyo...
I think she will open the door thinking he came for her but when she sees the shocking face of Mustafa she will learn that they know each other and she leave that house too...
@tulhan2011 I know what you mean, but there must be a point where, and when she will have some hate towards Mustafa, and that will start when she knows that he is with asu and that will be the start for her to think twice before she continues to dream about being with Mustafa as her fiance. I still think that she already has some feeling for Kerim, and she is in denial about that. she does not want to admit to herself that she is that is why she is running away
@cuteeqtee as we saw fgul is not at the point we expect.she really doesnt want to see kerim.she explained to asu.you are right she needs to stop dreaming about being with mustafa and asu/mustafa will be her turning point.needs more time for thinking about kerim.
@ceylan26 fgul mustafa gelip o kapıyı açmadıktan sonra da ağlıyor olabilir fragman sıralı olmuyor ya.o zaman zaten mustafanıngeldiği sahne son sahne olmaz zaten fotoğrafı son sahne yapmazlar şu an düşünüyorum da fgül belki de ağladıktan sonra evden çıkacak gidecek gece sokak ortasında bitirirler 16.bölümü ve 17de gelsin bakalım sürprizli sahneler:))))
@lal1201 aaah ah 16da pek bi gerilicez 17de ortalık durulsa muko kerimi çıldırttıktan sonra bi bolumcuk biraz dilini tutsa fgul kerime cok yanaşmasa da onu anlamak için çabaya başlasa tüm karmaşıklık bir bölümde de olsa sadece yasaran ve mustafa kısmında yaşansa keşke...bakalım
@tulhan2011 simdi ortalik karisti ama yani 100% eminim fgul ya bu bolum sonu itibariyle yada 17nin bi yerinde eve donucek. tabi sonrasi gulluk gulustanlik diil ama bu ayrilik uzamaz daha fazla. kerim 16da yeterince kahrolucak zaten fgul kacti/simdi basina ne gelir diye. 17de en azindan fgul evde olsun, yeter ona:) ben 16daki olaylar sonrasinda, yavas yavas fgul'un kerim'e hal ve tavirlarinda bariz degisiklikler bekliyorum. mesela belki her konuda terslemeleri azalir, "o" yerine "kerim" der vs.
yani simdi telefonda zehrini akitiyo bi yerde fgul kerime. sonrada mustafayi gormesi falan. dedigim gibi birden asik olmaz kerime ama bi seyler degisir. yoksa seyircinin sabir sinirlarini zorlarlar gercekten. baksana su bolumde bile bu suru "catlak" ses cikmaya basladi...
yani 17 yada 18de hemen kerim kadar fgul asik olamaz ama bizimde keriminde cevresininde fark edicegi kadar hareketlerinde fark bekliyorum ben acikcasi fgulun... daha fazlasini beklemek zaten su an icin gercekdisi olur, ne kadar sabirsizlanirsak sabirsizlanalim...
I actually think that FG fighting with Kerim is a positive sign of progress. Before they never had this exchange. It is like she is treating him as an equal and accepting that he "exists". Like on the boat she never said "you" but now she is yelling at him and showing her anger which is healthy for her.
@lmbardful bu bolum onemli bi sey yok da iste gelsin/gecsin. en azindan bi telefon konusmasi var. bi de kazma mustafanin elinde ciceklerle asuya gelmesi, fgul'unde enise hikayesini anlamasi. yani ozetle asil heyecan 17de belli.
you know turkish and will understand when i literally translate: mukaddes found a field empty for years and let her horses run:))) with a low IQ husband and his orphan sister, mukaddes took the reigns and controlled everything for years. kerim couldn't care less up until the day he decided to stay. now that he is staying and sure of his feelings, things will be much more different. i'm sure of that. for the first time in her life fgul will have support from both meryem and kerim.
@Sevda39ify you know i've been always an obvious fan of kerim, but admitting his mistakes as well. can i just say i'm even more in awe of him as he shouts to mukaddes and then munir on the phone? is this twisted or what:))))))))))))))))
@lmbardful yok yok cok umitliyim ben 17den, gorursun daha fazla ayri kalmaz fgul ve kerim. sonra kulaklarimi cinlatirsin. bu kadar riske etmez senaristler. baksana 16da bile mecburen telefon konusmasi koymuslar, onlarda biliyo fgul/kerim sahnelerinin dizinin lokomotifi oldunu...
@lal1201 I love this "mixture" in Kerim. On the one hand he can be very gentle and all that but I noticed that when he gets upset and has reached his limits he also yells and stands up like a man. :-D he is not one extreme or the other. all in well balance.
@Sevda39ify ..the seen when Kerim is yelling at Mukkadas and Munir on the phone ...is awwwwwwwsome...yes I love it when he looses his temper too....;0))
Probably this episode will finally give FG closure from Mustafa so she can turn her back on him and move on. That might be the purpose of the whole thing.
@Sevda39ify i'm sure that is one of the main reasons. for her to see mustafa in person one last time (not just his voice) and find some closure (maybe seeing him bringing flowers to asu). she couldn't truly give in to her feelings for kerim while still feeling something for mustafa (which she obviously did along with anger)....
@lal1201 That is probably the main purpose of the episode so she can finally move on and work on forgiving Kerim. however, it is a bit tricky and unfair towards that idiot Mustafa because he probably is bringing the flowers to thank asu for helping with his mom and the doctor and FG will think it is romantic towards asu. lol
@Sevda39ify ...No I have no feeling of sorrow towards Mustafa..he is the one to blame for loosing his fiance ..If he was supportive and loving and forgiving he would've stayed with her instead of yelling at her in the hospital..and then burning thei house...now he says he wants revenge from FG and Kerim..!!! even if FG thinks he has a girlfriend and he doesn't ..he dosn't deserve her..I loved it when Kerim told FG earlier that Mustafa let go of your hand when you needed help the most...
@livehappyfull He and the entire village first heard this rumor that she was raped and that is the reason he returned the ring. That was the first rumor before they made up the other rumor that she ran off with Kerim. There is no excuse. NOTHING. He burned the house after he heard the 1st rumor.
@Sevda39ify ..yes his reaction was to the rape...he let go of FG when he heared she was raped..so he decided right away that he dosn't want her anymore..and then burned the house...before even Kerim was in the picture....he is an IDIOT...
@livehappyfull Now he will probably go after her again and try to gain her back that idiot. she will tell him off at some point in the future. when she gets closer to kerim then she will be confronted by mustafa I bet. he can then go marry his "clean" asu as you once mentioned before. lol
@Sevda39ify ..I'm sure Mustafa will want to reach out to FG togain her back sometime in the future after he knows the "truth" , but it will be tooooo late..as he already reacted to the TRUTH already from the biggining and let go of FG when she needed him..I hope she will be smart enough to realize that..
@livehappyfull He always thought of himself before thinking of her well being. For exampel: he knew FG was suffering with Mukades and he insisted that he must finish the house before they can get married because "what the other people will say". I think at some point FG told him that they can get married and move to his mothers house but he did not want that.
@Sevda39ify ,,oh yes, I think we all agree that Mustafa is a BIG JERK...we don't want to see him close to FG..we all want her to hate him and move on..I think even if Kerim wasn't in the picture and FG was still single in the village after the events..if Mustafa comes back to her and ask her to be back with him..she should say NO I don't want you anymore..
@livehappyfull for a minute, just imagine kerim was the fiance and meryem abla was the mother in-law. imagine there's no mustafa. if same things happened to fgul (let's say 3 guys raped her), would kerim leave her bedside in the hospital, would meryem treat fgul as "dirty"? no, kerim would be crying with her, feeling her pain and supporting her all along the way and meryem would care for fgul even more. i think this shows the difference between mustafa/his family and kerim/meryem abla....
@lal1201 That is the 1st mistake Mustafa did. he came very angry to the hospital and showed no emotion or pity for her. Instead he yelled screamed cussed and went after revenge. If he really loved her he wouldn't have left her a minute he would have stayed with her and gave her comfort. he did not want to listen to her.
@lal1201.well said.I think you and I have the same opinion about Mustafa.we have no sympathy for him or his mother.Kerim is a much better person..he has a softer side to him..not only that he is more educated than Mustafa, he was raised by ebenine who is a very strong independet woman..thats how he will see his wife..strong and opinionated he will have no problem with that unlike mustafa who will see FG as his mother a stay home wife for cooking, cleaning and children..he already said it in ep 1
@livehappyfull exactly my points, my friend... kerim was already asking about the courses and offering help to fgul. can you imagine ever mustafa supporting fgul's decision to go to school? he would have said what's the purpose. let's not forget that the whole school thing was possible due to meryem abla's persistence. i absolutely adore her and love meryem/kerim mother/son relationship. they are so much better for fgul. she'll finally find a mother in meryem abla which she never had...
@lal1201 ..by the way the courses and going back to school thing that FG is doing ..is going to play a key element to bringing FG and Kerim closer togather in the future..I think he's going to end up teaching her or something ...but somebody mentioned it on youtube...
@livehappyfull well said and written, mustafa is a selfish piece of work (i would swear but that's not my style). mustafa supposedly loved fgul for years since childhood, but didn't bother to ask her once(!) her side of the events. then there is kerim, who didn't know fgul at all, but who is the only (aside from meryem abla) one that cares for her well-being, that doesn't leave, and does things for her good. this is a guy who barely knows fgul who never even touched her or kissed her...
bazı roller bazılarına çok uygun düşüyor esra dermancıoğluna bu rol çok uymuş sanki karakteriyle tipiyle bütünleşmiş onu başka bir rolde düşünemiyorum ama görmek isterim
Did you guys notice that last week at this time there were twice as many viewers for the 1st trailer compared to this week´s 1st trailer? I wonder if it has something to do with Kerim coming back versus FG leaving. :-)
@Sevda39ify some people are frustrated with the paste of the show. it upsets me too from time to time, but we have to be realistic. 15-16 episodes are nothing compared to things that fgul went through and also keep in mind we lost a few episodes without knowing the extent of kerim's involvement in that terrible night. i also want to see kerim suffer less, but he is relatively guilty and finding repentance through his "for the time being" one-sided love... this will obviously take some time...
@lal1201 I agree with your point but it is not just some but approx about 50.000 views less. I am afraid if the soap continues like this it will be even less. I know it is not realistic but I look at it not as 15 episodes but 4 months have passed and FG is slowly finally talking to Kerim. :-)
@Sevda39ify sevda don't worry, i'm sure they'll bring kerim and fgul together on 17, we are talking about professionals, i'm sure they monitor ratings much more than you and i... just watch the numbers after that:))) my only hope for 17 is this, i don't want kerim to heroically save fgul and bring her back. i want her to somehow make this decision on her own and "choose" to come back. that would be more meaningful for me.
@lal1201 Yes. You are right. I think the writers of the show are smart. They try to make it as real as possible. They even hired a psychologist for Beren Saat and the other actors to talk about what rape victims go through back when they filmed those scenes. I am curious to see how she will come back. Also, I noticed that Kerim is finally setting limits for Mukades. Last time he kind of yelled at her and here too. I hope when FG comes back things will change in the house.
i actually didn't notice. I think with Kerim leaving, it would have been a major turning point in the story and could lead to a lot of possibilities. on the other hand, fatmagul leaving seems more like a huge step backwards. but one thing with the show is that it is hard to predict what will happen. the writers are really good so I'm confident that they know what they are doing.
@redg18 They did this so she can see Mustafa and have closure to that episode in her life and move on with Kerim. I cannot see any other reason they did it. Had she stayed at home she would not have seen him. It did seem like a big step backwards at first though but it will lead to better things. Probably things will change in the house with Mukades as well.
FG cought asu 2 times 1 about the street she lived and the other when she mentioned Mustafa name
cuteeqtee 1 year ago
@sevda39ify I think you are all getting your hopes up. She ain't gonna see nothing:(((
ebzycik 1 year ago
damn kerim is a good actor, nasil da bagiriyor gercekmis gibi! 0:13 Hepsi cok guzel rol yapiyorlar, tebrikler!
HulyaGulia 1 year ago
fatmaugl is so stpupid
kerim on useviyor mustafa nefret ediyor
babaocagi008 1 year ago
But seeing kerim cry like that broke my heart aswell:(( I don't like t way she treats him. She knows deep down he's not guilty so y make him suffer for so long. What else can he do he's really trying hard bless him:(
erayekin1 1 year ago
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Erdogan sanki Mustafayla dertle$iyordu sandik katlettik kizin hayatini derken bukadar aldatmaca olmaz yani.Artik sadece Fragmanlari izleyip gecsek daha heycan verici olacak sanirim.Evin GÜLÜ evde olmayinca zevk de vemiyor.En azindan Mukaddes biraz heycan katiyor of yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sinir Dizi.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
Let's hope she will realise it soon cos I've got no patience left:)) even I would fall in love kerim. Let alone kerim even erdogan aswell lol:)) god forbid. no common it's been 4 months we should really c some action. It's getting boring:(
erayekin1 1 year ago
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xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
It is SO vital that fg sees mustafa through that door. Otherwise what's the point in the scene happening in the first place. She has to see him. I hope she gets a flash of some night vision lol
ebzycik 1 year ago
@ebzycik I think she won't see him through the door but I can imagine that after he leaves she will go to the window and and look and see him from there.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
this was soo far the worst episode ever.
erayekin1 1 year ago
@erayekin1 omg why????!!!! i thought it was one of the best episodes :s yes ok there was no amazing scene between fatmagul and kermis but the scene she yelled at him totally broke my heart and yet i still don't blame her considering what she's been through, it will take a while but we will get some romantic episodes, im sure she will realize that kerim is the one for her ;)
utopia76 1 year ago
@kivancburak biliyorumda bukadar kotu olacagini hickimse tahmin etmediydi! Fragman daha heyecanliydi! Sanki onun uzerinde daha fazla calismislar gibi :S
ebzycik 1 year ago
16.bölüm açık ara en kötü bölümdü bence. fg-kerim sahnesi olmazsa bu dizi hiç zevk vermiyor.
artık kerimin fg'yi kurtarma operasyonu yapması şart oldu. yoksa daha da açılacak araları.
rivnerivne 1 year ago
@57890eme sorry lol.
ebzycik 1 year ago
how dissapointing
erayekin1 1 year ago
bulum 16 nardiiiiiiiii :(
57890eme 1 year ago
Belliydi zaten bu Bölümde hicbirseyin olmicagi! Sanki Fragman'da heycanli seyler gösterildi, Bilmiyormuyduk sanki bu bölümde kerimle Fatmagülün karsilamicaklarini?? Hem nerden biliyorsunuzki Fatmagülün mustafayi görmicegini bi cekilde camdan bakar birseyler olur yani FG elinde sonunda evine geri dönücek! @ebzycik buraya bir haftadan beri herkez bu bölümde birsey olmicagini yazdillar zaten.. Belliydide ..
KivancBurak 1 year ago
@57890eme don't bother nothing really happened anyway!!! Kerim and the others know where she is, fg told them she was at asus house. Kerim begged her to come home but she threw a fit again. Mustafa comes to the door at the end but what a coincidence the electricity suddenly cuts out when fg looks threw the door how unoriginal! Other than that nothing happened just the rich familys boring life stories
ebzycik 1 year ago
@ebzycik hhhhh thank you for burned the ep for me
57890eme 1 year ago
hayalkirikligini sıkılmak anlaminda soyledim. yani fragmanda gorduklerimizin disinda bir atraksiyon olmuyor. fragmandaki heyecana kapilip bolumde daha fazlasini gormek istiyoruz ama bizi şaşirtamiyorlar maalesef.
zapunzelable 1 year ago
Arkadaslar gercekci olmaz olmaz diyoruz AMA bu dizi gittikce beni hayal kirikligina ugratiyo. Madem mustafayi kapiya kadar getireceklerdi en azindan zahmet Edip fg gorsun de bolum bosuna zay zuy cekilmis olmasin :S bolumde hicbirsey olmadi. Hicbisey! Ve fg mustafayi gormezse 17yide harcayacaklar fg eve gitmiyorum diye diye
ebzycik 1 year ago
:( i was waiting for this ep and its 01oc now and the ep didn't downloaded yet
how disappointed i am
57890eme 1 year ago
@57890eme Yeah. I don´t want to spoil it for you but don´t get your hopes up. This episode was just nothing. Everyone just walking around their homes. lol Really weird actually. :-(( Hoping next week will be better. Well it cannot be worse. lol
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify :( :( don't say that,i have been waiting for all this weak
57890eme 1 year ago
@57890eme I am sorry but so have I and I watched the trailer too many times. :-(
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify really i don't understand what are you expecting to see today..??????
alexiakous 1 year ago
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Sevda39ify 1 year ago
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Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@alexiakous I did not expect anything since I knew this episode was not going to be that great but it was boring and all they showed was the Yasharans and empty stuff. This is my personal opinion. :-) The only good thing was FG talking to Kerim which shows progress because before she would not have talked to him.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify Do you know, what I think ; we follow the steps of the Ask I Memnu with some changes of course (note: remember in which episode (it was at ep 14 or ep15) Adnan had found the note which had been taken by Bichter of her sister’s house and what happened then). So i think that we will have developments for the couple from episode 20 and after .
alexiakous 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify Ι also believe that Fatma has started to have feelings for Kerim and she reacts like that because she is trying to hide her feelings.
She kept the letter and she was reading it often at nights why; And at the dance i believe that she feels more uncomfortable than nervous and yes I agree with you, it is a good point that they, at least, talk on the phone.
alexiakous 1 year ago
@alexiakous I think so too. She definately has developed some feelings for him. It was obvious during the dance. She was a bit nervous. She is a very proud girl. :-) Yeah. The upcoming episodes will have some positive changes I think. :-)
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
sacmalik bu... Bizi enayi yerine koyuyorlar!!! Tam fg bakacakken isiklar kesiliyo!! Hersey tesaduf bu dizide! Asunun vurala gitmesi emreyi sip diye bulup fge yonlenilmesi, mustafanin butun bu sacma yalanlara inanmasi, erdoganin soforu olmasi, selimi takip Edip sonra unutup kiclarindan ayrilmamasi, tecavuzun sabahi butun jandarmalarin icinden bula bula mukonun selimin nisan yuzugunu bulmasi. Ya bizde butun hafta oturup persembeyi bekliyoruz bisey olacak diye!!!
ebzycik 1 year ago
Ya dizi bu ara zaten Sikici, mukkadesde olmasa dahada sikici olurdu..
KivancBurak 1 year ago
bende seviniyordum kerim artik mukadessi susturuyo diye ama nerdee ondaki o cene herkese yeter:)) ama anlamiyorum simdi mustafa s.e.v supeleniyormu yoksa gercekten bukadar saf aptalmi
erayekin1 1 year ago
cok yavas ilerliyor 4 aydir fg kerim konusamadilar bile. boyle bitecegi belliydi ustelik isiklar kesildi mustafayi goremecek fg.
erayekin1 1 year ago
@erayekin1 kapıda göremese bile arkasından bakacaktır sami ile olduğu gibi yüzyüze de gelebilirler ama o kadar da olmaz heralde
tulhan2011 1 year ago
Uffffffff hadi bilemicek mi kimin oldugunu kapida -.-
KivancBurak 1 year ago
Isiklar kesildi fg kesinlikle mustafayi goremicek:(
erayekin1 1 year ago
Cok yavas ilerliyor bu bolumdede onemli hic Birsey olmadi. 4 aydir bekliyoruz hala konusamadilar bile:((
erayekin1 1 year ago
gercekten ya bu ne . Bende birdaha fragmanlara bakmiyacagim. Bak görürsün haftaya FG kapiyi acmiyacak. Kapida kimin oldugunu bilmiyor göremiyor cünki. Mustafada geri gidecek.
Miyakubi77 1 year ago
Cok sikildim. :-( insallah 17.bölüm daha iyi olacak.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
Eeeeh vallaha ben bu sefer hic hayalkirikligina ugramadim. Belliydi cünkü bu bölümün böyle bitecegi...
KivancBurak 1 year ago
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Sevda39ify 1 year ago
bundan sonra izlemicem fragmanlari. diziyi izlerken sizi meraklandiracak birseyler olmasini bekliyorsunuz ama olmuyor cunku olan biten hersey gercekten de 1 dakikada toparlanabilecek kisalikta. en onemli sahneler ve de replikler fragmana konuluyor mutlaka. fragmani onceden gormus olan izleyici de hayal kirikligina ugruyor haliyle.
zapunzelable 1 year ago
i'm waiting for 16 ep can't wait any more so please please download it
57890eme 1 year ago
Remember you guys we are all making some random assumptions.....in real life no one no one would coup with what happen to FG it is way too difficult to forgive and forget
cuteeqtee 1 year ago 3
@roseblossomgul it's true what you are all saying but he shouldn't have taken any drugs in the first place. Peer pressure is no excuse. Drinking was one thing but that just went one step too far. Kerim has alot of making up to do. The others are unforgivable ofcourse but he is very wrong for what he did, or even didn't, do! Actions as well as Omissions can be a crime!
ebzycik 1 year ago
If I was in FGs shoes, I would want to confront him. After the tragedy she didn't have the chance to talk to him. He didn't want to hear anything. If I looked through the peep hole and saw him there, I would open that door and scream every bad word under the sun, and demand to know WHY he did nothing to stand by me.
ebzycik 1 year ago
hard to post this for us, and don't fill their pages with dumb and unneccessary comments.
amouleh82 1 year ago
hey everyone, i was reading comments, and there is no need to argue with another about a series. Its a TV serie, meant for people to watch and enjoy, and yes teach us lessons about right and wrong....remember it is fiction, and if it were reality happening to you, Allah knows how anyone would react to the situation....so don't pass judgement upon anyone, and respect the art of acting, and sit, watch, and enjoy the series.....if that can't convince you, than atleast respect the people who work
amouleh82 1 year ago
Exactly that's t word " bird brain" u have no idea how much I hate him. Turned his back to fg and is now talking about revenge. Idiot. What revenge u freak u didn't care one bit when she was in hospital.
erayekin1 1 year ago
And mustafa really thinks he is something wearing all that smartwear. He's so brainwashed it makes me sick. There he is driving around the rapist who ruined FGs life which he so confidently believes he did not do. Bird brain!!!!!!
ebzycik 1 year ago
kerim ele aglama, ureyim xarab olur!!! ((((
iice86 1 year ago
are engelich people look this wow
sevyilmaz29 1 year ago
I hope at the end Mustafa and Fatmagul get some closure.
SLVPOSH 1 year ago
The audacity to even think that Kerim is a much more better person than Mustafa, Are you kidding me ? SMH! Stop backlash' him and focus on the actual rapists...
We would never know if Kerim was going to rape Fatmatgul before she passed out....the same applies to Mustafa letting her attend school to get her high school diploma....etc...etc
Yes, we all know that Kerim is more educated than Mustafa, but that didn't stop him from watching his 3 friends gang raped her while he watched.
SLVPOSH 1 year ago
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Yaraangel1 1 year ago
@SLVPOSH what s wrong with uuuuu people kerim was druunk & under drug influence he didn't even remember what exactly happened that night ... so stop saying" he watched his friends raped her " he wasn't in his normal mental state .....his only fault was that he hung up with these losers and accepted to take z drug pills & he should be blamed for that .. done .. period
Yaraangel1 1 year ago
@Yaraangel1 I think even FG knows this. :-) Although she is very proud she knows that there is a difference between Kerim when he is drunk and sober. Did you notice that she looks at how much he drinks at the party and when they went out with Asu? Her eyes were on his glass both times.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify yes i noticed that and i think she wants 2 continue her studies cz Kerim has a BA and more educated than her so she doesn't want 2 feel inferior .... she didnt think abt education when she was with mustafa cz both r at z same level..... if u also noticed her reaction when kerim offered to help her with her studies :D
Yaraangel1 1 year ago
@Yaraangel1 I think she also is motivated to continue her eduation and work because she has a positive female role model in her life which is Ebe Nine. She never had a "normal" female role model in her life before. I mean no mother and she only saw crazy Mukades and Mustafa´s witch mother. lol
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Yaraangel1 There's is nothing wrong with me, the question is, what the hell is wrong with you ? I guess you wouldn't be defending anyone had you been in Fatmagul's situation. Look outside the flaccid of romanticism and focus on reality. Does what Kerim and/or Mustafa did makes it okay ? Hell NO....All I have been hearing is people making excuses for Kerim which is rather disturbing, for they all fall into the same category regardless of how good a person they might be or might not be.
SLVPOSH 1 year ago
@Yaraangel1 I agree with out about how he was under drug influence and once ur under it, it changes you completely for a while and if he wasnt under drugs condition he probz would of stopped them.
RoseBlossomGul 1 year ago
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SLVPOSH 1 year ago
Even if Mustafa does not know for sure, he seems to have an inkling that Asu is "moonlightening," which, in itself, is rather pathetic - especially given his moral "values" per se. He talks with both sides of his mouth (so to speak).
bisiklet11 1 year ago
bisminllahirahmanirahim
stellalunamkcd 1 year ago
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Sevda39ify 1 year ago
Ne zaman Kerim icki icse FG huzursuz oluyor (Enise/Emir/Kerim/FG dortlusu olarak yemek yediklerinde ve yilbasi aksaminda), onun icin Kerim'in FG'un onunde icmemesi lazim. Bunun disinda Enise kendisini teyzesiyle oturan bir kiz olarak tanitti FG'e. Fragmanda yok ama 16.ci bolumde FG teyze durumunu sorgulamazsa biraz tuhaf olur gibi. Genelde dizileri takip ediyorum ama FGSN dizisi kadar hicbir diziye bu kadar ilgi gosterdigimi hatirlamiyorum. Ellerine saglik yapimcilarin.
bisiklet11 1 year ago
Birde Enginnnnnnnn Akyürekkkkkkk my number one my favorite sonra Muko her hali komik kadinin I like her aswell.Rollerinin hakkini vermi$ler.
Selim Yaramaz Simarik Zengin veleti Zaten Engin Öztürk olarakda $imariga benziyor sevmedim tipini heheeheheheh
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx ama melda, yapma simdi, yani kerim zaten kategori disi. benim diziyi seyretme baslica sebebim engin akyurektir. o sebeple sayma geregi duymadim bile:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 16da agliycak, bagiricak, cagiricak, yikip, geciricek ortaligi, sanirim bu bolumu cekilir kilir sahneler onlar olucak. duygu dolu oyunculuk bekliyorum engin'den gene...
lal1201 1 year ago
Mustafa should not suffer by marrying asu. Not bad enough i think. Whats asus fault? He should be in a worse state.
erayekin1 1 year ago
@erayekin1 ...Asu sucu ne...? :0)))
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@erayekin1
ummm, asu is a call girl right? isn't that the polar opposite of what he's looking for? I'm not sure but does mustafa know what asu does? there was this scene where she came with her stocking ripped and she said it was a casualty of her job. apart from that, i think he has her card right?
redg18 1 year ago
@redg18 yes, he knows what she does. when he called her the first time or somewhere around that time, when he asked her if she was a masseuse, she was like "are you kiddin me? you really thought i was a masseuse? come on, mustafa... :DDD "
bihterbehlul 1 year ago
Yep definetly agree. But I really want mustafa to suffer aswell. Idiot.
erayekin1 1 year ago
haklisin lal umarim öyle olacak.Kerimde öyle cezasini cekiyor bir $ekilde evet.Hepsi cezasini cekecek sanirim en cokta Erdogan uyuzu zaten terslikler babasinin ölmesiyle ba$ladi.Ilahi Adalet denen bir$ey var.Herkes bir $ekilde ektigini bicer.
Bu Dizide cok begendigim olay her Oyuncu görünü$üne göre Karakter almi$ yada rollerinin hakkini vermi$ler cok begeniyorum hemen hemen hepsini.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx sanirim aralarinda en zayifi mustafa. bi de onun sesi gercek diil, dublaj ya, cok fark ediyo. his daha az, daha donuk. bi de daha 1.bolumde kuramadilar bende mustafa-fgul kimyasini, o yuzden hic inanamadim o coculuk askina ben. erdogan kotu karakterinde saglam, vural da depresif rolde... bi de selimi oynayan hos aktor ama o da oyunculugunu gelistirebilir. gene de rol acisindan ben galiba muko'ya tek gecerim:) o nasil bir oyun gucudur. esra hanim, mukoyu fenomen hale getirdi!
lal1201 1 year ago
evet okudum bir yerlerde Mustafa Asuyla hayatini birle$tirecek diye.Yani cahillikten cikip Cagda$ olmaya cali$acak :) Bence Ana kuzusu Mustafa Asu nun mazisini hic bir zaman anlatmicak Anne öyle kabul edecek Gelinini :) Ama dedigin gibi bende o ani heycanla beklicem.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx melda, hayatta her sucun/hatanin bi "diyeti" vardir. kerim, karsiliksiz ask acisiyla oduyo bu diyeti, mustafa bi hayat kadinina asik olarak odiycek, tabi diger 3 rezil cok daha buyuk odiycek. vural bunalimlara dustu bile, sira selim'e de, erdogan'a da gelir elbet. boyle saf ve iyi genckisin "ah"ini aldilar. kolay kolay cikmaz o oyle...
lal1201 1 year ago
Ben asunun hayatini yargilamiyorum. Eminim istemeden dusmustur o yola. Onu kinadigimdan soylemedim. Mustafaya sinirimi anlatmaya calisiyorum yani fg kinadi begenmedi simdi yaptigina bak. Ben onu bir kasik suda bogmak istiyorum
erayekin1 1 year ago
....ve Asuyla ilerde evlen olacak i$mi bu? Ama belki Asuda istemeyerek bu yola dü$mü$tür? Bilmiyoruzki hayatini henüz anlatmadi nasil bu yollara dü$tü.
Kerimde Fatmagülü tecavüz etseydi onun hakkinda da öyle dü$ünürdüm Beterrrrrr olsun diye.Af maf yok V.S.E. ye hepsi cezasini cekecek günün birinde.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx ben acayip istiyorum mustafanin asu'yla evlenmesini ilerde. dusunsene mustafanin annesinde yuzu, tam gorucek "temiz" aile kizini asu'da. cok hosuma gidicek o an...
lal1201 1 year ago
Mustafa tam bir ana kuzusu en nefret ettigim tip. Hem fg sahip cikma hemde namusum diye peslerine dus. Fg begenmedi asuya asik olcak. Ya cok sinir oluyorum dizide bosuna kalabalik yapiyo. One passive gullible freak
erayekin1 1 year ago
Tr de örf ve adetlere göre cogu aileler böyle dar görü$lü i$te.Dizide de tipik bir Türk ailesini canlandirmi$lar el alem ne der diye hareket ediyorlar Toplum icin ya$ayanlar.Anna kuzusu Mustafa Ni$anlisini alip Istanbulda o ya$aya bilirdi herkesden uzak Sahip cika bilirdi ama nerdeeeeeee öyle bir geni$ aile cok cok nadir bulunur.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx yok ya ben cok sayida degisen, modernlesen aile goruyorum. 70lerin sonunda universiteli toplulugun cocuklari su an daha farkli bu grup anne-babada cok daha farkli turkiyede. sanirim turkiyenin en buyuk sorunu, egitim seviyesi artarken genede sehir ve kirsali arasinda cok fark olmasi. yoksa cok modern erkek anneleri de var. ama gicik oldugum mustafa ve onun ailesi tiplemesi de cok tabi hala...
lal1201 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx
bu sö<ledklerin aileyle ilgisi yokki insan la ilgisi var..
mustafa isteseydi fatmagülle evlenrdi aylesine ramen ama o gerizekali basklarin söylediklerine kandi ve hep de kaniyor zaten ve kizda sucu buldugu icin kizi da terk etti,
simdi de namus namus diye pesinde nereden o senin naumsun oluyor be adam ?
Ufashionchatcher 1 year ago
Ama Fragmani tam izlediyseniz Fatmagül yerinden kalkipda kapiya gidiyor yani i$iklar kapali birde sanki Mustafada i$igi kullanmadan kapinin önünde görüyor.Fatmagül $imdi Mustafayi o karanliklarda nasil görecekki??? illahaki soracak kim o diye?
Ayrica Mukaddes hanim her yere burnunu sokuyordu merakindan kiskancligindan felan.O gece Fatmagüle deseydi ya dur bende seninle geliyorum diye heheeheh ama Dizi i$te olacagi vardi.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
bence asu aramis mustafayi, fatmagul burda demis, o da cicek alip gelmis ;) ama fatmagul onu gorunce acmaz ve sonra bilmem ne olur :D
bihterbehlul 1 year ago
Zaten mustafaya iyce sinir oldum. Hem kizi birak git hemde namus seref de. Benim bildigim namusta serefte Boyle olmaz. One bicim erkek ya passive saf omu intikam alcak. Yaa o digerlerinden supelenmiyomuydu sanki selimi takip etmisti diye hatirliyorum. Simdi nasil hemen vazgecti:/
erayekin1 1 year ago
@erayekin1 ya mustafanin ailesi, kiz kirlendi diye yuzune bile bakmadilar, vicdansiz dar goruslu insanlar. zaten mustafanin annesi daha 1.bolumde belliydi tipik ogluna asik kaynana oldugu. nerde o kadin nerde meryem abla... aslinda mustafa da daha o igrenc gece oncesi belli etmisi tarzini, fgulun elbisesi islandi diye kizmalar, cep telefonu bozuldu diye suphelenme, nisan gecesi bi adamla (kerim) 2 laf etti diye kiskanma. bana bikkinlik veren erkek tipi. ne o ne annesi cekilicek gibi diildi.
lal1201 1 year ago
Tabiki vural da suclu AMA hic olmazsa vicdan sahibi. Baya etkilendi kendini afedemiyor aciyorum onada. Selim ve erdoganin umrumda bile diyil onun icin onlarla kiyasladiginda biraz daha hafifletici sucu AMA sadece diyer ikisine gore. Kerime gelince dizi icin asik olsun istiyorum AMA benim gozumde dizideki butun erkekler hatali abi haric:(
erayekin1 1 year ago
@erayekin1 benim gorusum: kerim hatali kafasi iyide ama ordaydi, durduramadi. s.e.v. zaten hatali, aralarinda en cok uzulen belki vural ama 3u de kendini affettirmek icin napiyo? hicbi sey, kusura bakmayim ama geceleri bi fahiseyle uyuyup ona beni affet dedirtmen bi sey yapmak diildir, vural bencilce depresiyo o kadar. mustafa da aciklama firsati vermeyip, fgul'u ve sozumona sevgisini sahiplenmedigi icin hatali. ama aralarinda hatasini duzeltmeye calisan bariz tek bi adam var, o da kerim...
lal1201 1 year ago
neye üzüleceksin ya Mahf ettiler kizin hayatini.Tecavüzcülere asla acimak olmaz nekadar Vicdanlari sizlayip sonradan Pi$man olsalar bile hatta bunun ucunda ölüm bile olsa beter olsunlar :)
Aslinda Kerimede cok kizmak lazim cünkü o haliyle bile duruma el atip Engel olabilirdi ama neyse o sucsuz bir Sekilde.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx
aslinde kerimin F.G.` e alkollü ve uyusturucunun etkisin altinda tecavüz etmemesi zaten bunun sadece bir dizi oldugunu gösteriyor, bir insan bu sartlar altinda kendini kontrol edebilmesi... nasil olacak cok merak ediyorum ?!
enellemeye gelince eger kerim alkol ve uyusturucu kullanmasaydi belki bu 3 sapigi bir sekilde durdurabilirdi ama o haliyle? ASLA
Ufashionchatcher 1 year ago
Vural intiar edecek diyolar Ben cok uzulurum.:((
erayekin1 1 year ago
3u fg tecavuz etti AMA Ben vurala bise olmasin istiyorum cok uzuluyorum onada. Oda kerim gibi cok aci cekiyor vicdani hic rahat diyil.
erayekin1 1 year ago
"öyle bir gecer zamanki" Dizi sini cogu insan cok begenerek izliyor üstelik kaliteli Dizi dedikleri halde izlemiyorum takilmayayim diye Dizileri sevmem ayrica türk Tv bile yok evimde hepsi internet üzere.Ama Fg Dizsini birincisi Engin Akyürek icin, birde bu kizin hali ne olacak nasil geli$ecek diye izliyorum ya :))) Böylelikle ilk defa bir Dizi izlemi$ oluyorum !!!!!!! Prost Mahlzeit
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
hahahaahhaah evette biliyorsun türkce bu ne yöne cekersen öyle anla$ila bilir yani. Offffffff ya cocuk dogurmaktan beter bir durum sanki bazen insanin sabri zorlaniyor.Aslinda bazen dizi yayinlaninca iki üc gün sonra izliyorum vallahi sirf sinir oldugum icin :)))) neyse size daha iyi tahminler dilerim.Bakalim kim hakli cikcak sonunda.
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
Gercektenmi?? Bi bakiiiim kanal d sayfasina, aaaa yarini merakla bekliyorummm
denizimeren 1 year ago
Bence fragman aldatiyor, bence o kapinin arkasinda mustafa degil..
denizimeren 1 year ago
@denizimeren kanald sayfasında resmi var
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@denizimeren acikcasi o kadar aldatma olucagini sanmiyorum ama dizide olaylarin siralamasi biraz farkli olabilir...
lal1201 1 year ago
emreyi oynayan daha önce biyerde çıkmışmıydı tanıdık geldi sanki?
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@tulhan2011 ben cok dizi seyretmedigim icin bilemiyorum. emre ilginc bi karakter de bazen cok densiz laflari oluyo. su yilbasi partisindeki "icince dagitiyo musun" falan gibi ama kotu niyetli diil. orasi kesin... bence kerim'e de abi gozuyle bakiyo, onla takilmayi falan seviyo...
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 evet acemi ama yine de çok iyi oyunculuk segiliyo gibi sevdim ben
tulhan2011 1 year ago
senaryo asu etrafında çok dönüyor ama mesela ben emreyi çok tuttum birden aklıma geldi
tulhan2011 1 year ago
Aaaaaaa bu fragmani yeni gördüm bölüm umarim fragmani kadar heyecanlidirrr
denizimeren 1 year ago
I think she will open the door thinking he came for her but when she sees the shocking face of Mustafa she will learn that they know each other and she leave that house too...
cuteeqtee 1 year ago
@cuteeqtee then it will be the end of story Idont think so.I think she will not hesitate.she will not want to open the door.
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@tulhan2011 I know what you mean, but there must be a point where, and when she will have some hate towards Mustafa, and that will start when she knows that he is with asu and that will be the start for her to think twice before she continues to dream about being with Mustafa as her fiance. I still think that she already has some feeling for Kerim, and she is in denial about that. she does not want to admit to herself that she is that is why she is running away
cuteeqtee 1 year ago
@cuteeqtee as we saw fgul is not at the point we expect.she really doesnt want to see kerim.she explained to asu.you are right she needs to stop dreaming about being with mustafa and asu/mustafa will be her turning point.needs more time for thinking about kerim.
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@ceylan26 fgul mustafa gelip o kapıyı açmadıktan sonra da ağlıyor olabilir fragman sıralı olmuyor ya.o zaman zaten mustafanıngeldiği sahne son sahne olmaz zaten fotoğrafı son sahne yapmazlar şu an düşünüyorum da fgül belki de ağladıktan sonra evden çıkacak gidecek gece sokak ortasında bitirirler 16.bölümü ve 17de gelsin bakalım sürprizli sahneler:))))
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@tulhan2011 mantikli dediklerin, ortadaki gercek su fgul o kapiyi acmiycak. belki dedigin gibi koltuga oturucak, biraz agliycak, bikac flashback olucak kafasinda, gecmisi hatirliycak: emre/enisenin ziyaret ettigi gun, muhtarin bi kizin fgulu sordugundan bahsetmesi, mustafayi aradiginda bi kizin telefona cvp vermesi ve bunlari birbirine baglayip asu(enise)-mustafa ilintisini kurucak kafasinda. sonrada sanirim o evden kosar adim uzaklasir.
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 aaah ah 16da pek bi gerilicez 17de ortalık durulsa muko kerimi çıldırttıktan sonra bi bolumcuk biraz dilini tutsa fgul kerime cok yanaşmasa da onu anlamak için çabaya başlasa tüm karmaşıklık bir bölümde de olsa sadece yasaran ve mustafa kısmında yaşansa keşke...bakalım
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@tulhan2011 simdi ortalik karisti ama yani 100% eminim fgul ya bu bolum sonu itibariyle yada 17nin bi yerinde eve donucek. tabi sonrasi gulluk gulustanlik diil ama bu ayrilik uzamaz daha fazla. kerim 16da yeterince kahrolucak zaten fgul kacti/simdi basina ne gelir diye. 17de en azindan fgul evde olsun, yeter ona:) ben 16daki olaylar sonrasinda, yavas yavas fgul'un kerim'e hal ve tavirlarinda bariz degisiklikler bekliyorum. mesela belki her konuda terslemeleri azalir, "o" yerine "kerim" der vs.
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 eveeet umarım fgul eve dönme sırasında onu artık görmek istemiyorum falan demez öyle düşünmese de diyebilir çünkü:(
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@tulhan2011 bilemiyorum tabi bizde tuyo yok ama:) ben 16 sonrasi fgul'un kerim'i genel olarak terslemelerinde azalma olucagi kanisindayim...
lal1201 1 year ago
yani simdi telefonda zehrini akitiyo bi yerde fgul kerime. sonrada mustafayi gormesi falan. dedigim gibi birden asik olmaz kerime ama bi seyler degisir. yoksa seyircinin sabir sinirlarini zorlarlar gercekten. baksana su bolumde bile bu suru "catlak" ses cikmaya basladi...
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 ben de fragmanı ilk seyrettiğimde yeter falan dedim ama biz de kurguya göre şekilleniyoruz çaresiz
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@lal1201 hahahahah catlak ses derken what do you mean arkada$im???Umarim sandigim gibi degildir?
xxmelda75xx 1 year ago
@xxmelda75xx yok yok, bende kiziyorum bazen, kerime fazla duskunum meryem abla misali (baska turlu gozum yok, yemin:))) hepimizde catlak ses var zaten, bunlari arttirmaz senaristler...
lal1201 1 year ago
yani 17 yada 18de hemen kerim kadar fgul asik olamaz ama bizimde keriminde cevresininde fark edicegi kadar hareketlerinde fark bekliyorum ben acikcasi fgulun... daha fazlasini beklemek zaten su an icin gercekdisi olur, ne kadar sabirsizlanirsak sabirsizlanalim...
lal1201 1 year ago
Fatmagül Kerimi nasil aglatiyo :(
aksaray68ify1 1 year ago
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I bet FG has feeling for Kerim, but she is afraid and in denial of her feelings..sooon sooon she will be with him
cuteeqtee 1 year ago
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cuteeqtee 1 year ago
I actually think that FG fighting with Kerim is a positive sign of progress. Before they never had this exchange. It is like she is treating him as an equal and accepting that he "exists". Like on the boat she never said "you" but now she is yelling at him and showing her anger which is healthy for her.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
ay çok heycanlandım kesin önemli bişe olcak...pırttt :D yemezler
lmbardful 1 year ago
@lmbardful bu bolum onemli bi sey yok da iste gelsin/gecsin. en azindan bi telefon konusmasi var. bi de kazma mustafanin elinde ciceklerle asuya gelmesi, fgul'unde enise hikayesini anlamasi. yani ozetle asil heyecan 17de belli.
lal1201 1 year ago
you know turkish and will understand when i literally translate: mukaddes found a field empty for years and let her horses run:))) with a low IQ husband and his orphan sister, mukaddes took the reigns and controlled everything for years. kerim couldn't care less up until the day he decided to stay. now that he is staying and sure of his feelings, things will be much more different. i'm sure of that. for the first time in her life fgul will have support from both meryem and kerim.
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 Exactly! She took advantage of the situation for years abusing people who depend on her and seeing their vulnerability.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify you know i've been always an obvious fan of kerim, but admitting his mistakes as well. can i just say i'm even more in awe of him as he shouts to mukaddes and then munir on the phone? is this twisted or what:))))))))))))))))
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 canım zaten anca gelip geçioo ortada bişe yok...benm umudum yok 17.bölümdende,ama yine izliorm gıcık ola ola:D
lmbardful 1 year ago
@lmbardful yok yok cok umitliyim ben 17den, gorursun daha fazla ayri kalmaz fgul ve kerim. sonra kulaklarimi cinlatirsin. bu kadar riske etmez senaristler. baksana 16da bile mecburen telefon konusmasi koymuslar, onlarda biliyo fgul/kerim sahnelerinin dizinin lokomotifi oldunu...
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 I love this "mixture" in Kerim. On the one hand he can be very gentle and all that but I noticed that when he gets upset and has reached his limits he also yells and stands up like a man. :-D he is not one extreme or the other. all in well balance.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify ..the seen when Kerim is yelling at Mukkadas and Munir on the phone ...is awwwwwwwsome...yes I love it when he looses his temper too....;0))
livehappyfull 1 year ago
Probably this episode will finally give FG closure from Mustafa so she can turn her back on him and move on. That might be the purpose of the whole thing.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify i'm sure that is one of the main reasons. for her to see mustafa in person one last time (not just his voice) and find some closure (maybe seeing him bringing flowers to asu). she couldn't truly give in to her feelings for kerim while still feeling something for mustafa (which she obviously did along with anger)....
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 That is probably the main purpose of the episode so she can finally move on and work on forgiving Kerim. however, it is a bit tricky and unfair towards that idiot Mustafa because he probably is bringing the flowers to thank asu for helping with his mom and the doctor and FG will think it is romantic towards asu. lol
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify ...No I have no feeling of sorrow towards Mustafa..he is the one to blame for loosing his fiance ..If he was supportive and loving and forgiving he would've stayed with her instead of yelling at her in the hospital..and then burning thei house...now he says he wants revenge from FG and Kerim..!!! even if FG thinks he has a girlfriend and he doesn't ..he dosn't deserve her..I loved it when Kerim told FG earlier that Mustafa let go of your hand when you needed help the most...
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@livehappyfull He and the entire village first heard this rumor that she was raped and that is the reason he returned the ring. That was the first rumor before they made up the other rumor that she ran off with Kerim. There is no excuse. NOTHING. He burned the house after he heard the 1st rumor.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify ..yes his reaction was to the rape...he let go of FG when he heared she was raped..so he decided right away that he dosn't want her anymore..and then burned the house...before even Kerim was in the picture....he is an IDIOT...
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@livehappyfull Now he will probably go after her again and try to gain her back that idiot. she will tell him off at some point in the future. when she gets closer to kerim then she will be confronted by mustafa I bet. he can then go marry his "clean" asu as you once mentioned before. lol
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify ..I'm sure Mustafa will want to reach out to FG togain her back sometime in the future after he knows the "truth" , but it will be tooooo late..as he already reacted to the TRUTH already from the biggining and let go of FG when she needed him..I hope she will be smart enough to realize that..
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@livehappyfull He always thought of himself before thinking of her well being. For exampel: he knew FG was suffering with Mukades and he insisted that he must finish the house before they can get married because "what the other people will say". I think at some point FG told him that they can get married and move to his mothers house but he did not want that.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify ,,oh yes, I think we all agree that Mustafa is a BIG JERK...we don't want to see him close to FG..we all want her to hate him and move on..I think even if Kerim wasn't in the picture and FG was still single in the village after the events..if Mustafa comes back to her and ask her to be back with him..she should say NO I don't want you anymore..
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@livehappyfull for a minute, just imagine kerim was the fiance and meryem abla was the mother in-law. imagine there's no mustafa. if same things happened to fgul (let's say 3 guys raped her), would kerim leave her bedside in the hospital, would meryem treat fgul as "dirty"? no, kerim would be crying with her, feeling her pain and supporting her all along the way and meryem would care for fgul even more. i think this shows the difference between mustafa/his family and kerim/meryem abla....
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 That is the 1st mistake Mustafa did. he came very angry to the hospital and showed no emotion or pity for her. Instead he yelled screamed cussed and went after revenge. If he really loved her he wouldn't have left her a minute he would have stayed with her and gave her comfort. he did not want to listen to her.
cuteeqtee 1 year ago
@lal1201.well said.I think you and I have the same opinion about Mustafa.we have no sympathy for him or his mother.Kerim is a much better person..he has a softer side to him..not only that he is more educated than Mustafa, he was raised by ebenine who is a very strong independet woman..thats how he will see his wife..strong and opinionated he will have no problem with that unlike mustafa who will see FG as his mother a stay home wife for cooking, cleaning and children..he already said it in ep 1
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@livehappyfull exactly my points, my friend... kerim was already asking about the courses and offering help to fgul. can you imagine ever mustafa supporting fgul's decision to go to school? he would have said what's the purpose. let's not forget that the whole school thing was possible due to meryem abla's persistence. i absolutely adore her and love meryem/kerim mother/son relationship. they are so much better for fgul. she'll finally find a mother in meryem abla which she never had...
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 ..by the way the courses and going back to school thing that FG is doing ..is going to play a key element to bringing FG and Kerim closer togather in the future..I think he's going to end up teaching her or something ...but somebody mentioned it on youtube...
livehappyfull 1 year ago
@livehappyfull well said and written, mustafa is a selfish piece of work (i would swear but that's not my style). mustafa supposedly loved fgul for years since childhood, but didn't bother to ask her once(!) her side of the events. then there is kerim, who didn't know fgul at all, but who is the only (aside from meryem abla) one that cares for her well-being, that doesn't leave, and does things for her good. this is a guy who barely knows fgul who never even touched her or kissed her...
lal1201 1 year ago
bazı roller bazılarına çok uygun düşüyor esra dermancıoğluna bu rol çok uymuş sanki karakteriyle tipiyle bütünleşmiş onu başka bir rolde düşünemiyorum ama görmek isterim
tulhan2011 1 year ago
@tulhan2011
kadina sadece bravo diyesim geliyor rolün hakkini veriyor
Ufashionchatcher 1 year ago
Did you guys notice that last week at this time there were twice as many viewers for the 1st trailer compared to this week´s 1st trailer? I wonder if it has something to do with Kerim coming back versus FG leaving. :-)
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify i think fg leaving put some ppl off. Well it put me off for a while anyway
erayekin1 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify some people are frustrated with the paste of the show. it upsets me too from time to time, but we have to be realistic. 15-16 episodes are nothing compared to things that fgul went through and also keep in mind we lost a few episodes without knowing the extent of kerim's involvement in that terrible night. i also want to see kerim suffer less, but he is relatively guilty and finding repentance through his "for the time being" one-sided love... this will obviously take some time...
lal1201 1 year ago
@lal1201 I agree with your point but it is not just some but approx about 50.000 views less. I am afraid if the soap continues like this it will be even less. I know it is not realistic but I look at it not as 15 episodes but 4 months have passed and FG is slowly finally talking to Kerim. :-)
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify sevda don't worry, i'm sure they'll bring kerim and fgul together on 17, we are talking about professionals, i'm sure they monitor ratings much more than you and i... just watch the numbers after that:))) my only hope for 17 is this, i don't want kerim to heroically save fgul and bring her back. i want her to somehow make this decision on her own and "choose" to come back. that would be more meaningful for me.
lal1201 1 year ago
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Sevda39ify 1 year ago
@lal1201 Yes. You are right. I think the writers of the show are smart. They try to make it as real as possible. They even hired a psychologist for Beren Saat and the other actors to talk about what rape victims go through back when they filmed those scenes. I am curious to see how she will come back. Also, I noticed that Kerim is finally setting limits for Mukades. Last time he kind of yelled at her and here too. I hope when FG comes back things will change in the house.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
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lal1201 1 year ago
@Sevda39ify
i actually didn't notice. I think with Kerim leaving, it would have been a major turning point in the story and could lead to a lot of possibilities. on the other hand, fatmagul leaving seems more like a huge step backwards. but one thing with the show is that it is hard to predict what will happen. the writers are really good so I'm confident that they know what they are doing.
redg18 1 year ago
@redg18 They did this so she can see Mustafa and have closure to that episode in her life and move on with Kerim. I cannot see any other reason they did it. Had she stayed at home she would not have seen him. It did seem like a big step backwards at first though but it will lead to better things. Probably things will change in the house with Mukades as well.
Sevda39ify 1 year ago
Loooll. Kesinlikle katiliyorum
erayekin1 1 year ago
üff aslinda kerim fatmagüle öyle davranmasi lazim filminde öyle burda fatmagül kerimin üstüne gidiyoo (kerimin sucu ne?)
SimarikBarbie 1 year ago