The new B.B. Smack GenIV - 7.5MMW

[TheIligancity]

Nice design...how much gas do you save?

[EletrikRide]

I dont use this design anymore, but I was getting 16% on my car.

[Stunt2one]

Hehe, thank you so much for being nice with the rest of the world ;)

I'm new in this, I have always thought about this being possible, by myself, but never gone "out" to search for info, and I'm finding this whole new world, oh my god... hahaha.

Greetings from Spain, keep up the good work!

Kike.

[EletrikRide]

Keep watching! I have something for you!

[HappyJackProduction1]

celcius? why, you sound american. How hot is this cell gonna get when its mounted under a hood of a hot car?

[EletrikRide]

The rest of the world speaks in metric, so I am trying to be respedtful and recognize that America is not the entire world :-)

That depends on WHERE you mount the cell - see my install videos

[deltahho]

Some nice Work :-)

[EletrikRide]

Thanks!

[mr500horsepower]

I spoke to mcmaster carr

the tolerance level of their gaskets is .004 so the .080 is really .076 I have a local supplier that has the stuff but their tolerance level is 10% so their .080 is really only .072

do you think i can use the .072? will the cell be different in any way??

[EletrikRide]

Well -

That's what I use. So that says it all.

[sakcheegii]

I mean isolating material of SS plate's hole. zero current drop isolation.

[EletrikRide]

Nope - you lost me there.

[sakcheegii]

yes, i am lost. kkk :-)

[EletrikRide]

LOL, OK....

[sakcheegii]

sorry my eng. what is a isolation materials on ss plates?

[EletrikRide]

I think you are asking about the PVC material.

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Very Educating

[EletrikRide]

Thanks!

[mr500horsepower]

what is the name of the company who provides the gaskets? (the .080 mil of different companies varies....the pvc.080 of some companies are only .072 mil. what company makes your gaskets?

[EletrikRide]

mcmaster carr

[crimberland]

Classic.

[EletrikRide]

Thanks!!!

[InferiorFetus]

so how much for one unit !!!!

[EletrikRide]

Check my channel page for link to my site and pricing

[outdoorfan1]

E,

Another question. I see you're using around 1/16" plate spacing. BB has mentioned that he likes 1/8. Have you done those tests to compare, or is there some other reason you chose 1/16? If the answer is in one of your videos, please tell me which one. Thanks.

[EletrikRide]

I am in fact going to test with 3mm. Reason is, i think the larger spacing may reduce foaming. Stay tuned for that update.

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[duenschman]

i think there is still any leakage current between plates and refill tube, because of the flowing electrolyte. By insulating each hole, this efect may be minimized.

[EletrikRide]

My latest mods solve this potential issue

[duenschman]

what about insulating each refill-hole from each plate with about 1 inch diameter. i mean py putting insulating paint for e.g. transformators.

[duenschman]

great work!!!

[EletrikRide]

Thanks!

[outdoorfan1]

E,

I'm sure you've answered this before, but I am wondering what type of amperage and LPM your BB cell will put out with a maximum concentration of NaOH (20-30%)? Also, what concentration do you typically use in your own tests and personal use?

[EletrikRide]

I mix to 28%, then use a current limiting device to control my amps (battery charger with variable amp settings)

[outdoorfan1]

So, you pretty much have it at maximum concentration. How many amps does that put out without the limiting device you mentioned?

[EletrikRide]

It starts out at about 25 amps and goes up from there

[Tropicous]

Smack,

What is the LPM ?

[EletrikRide]

See notations

[hidroklear]

What are the hole and the diameter sizes of the water feed and gas output?

Thanks

[hidroklear]

What are the hole and the diameter sizes of the water feed and gas output?

Thanks

[EletrikRide]

3/8"

[ckpeltomaa]

Can I get a mechanic to install this in my 2002 VW Jetta? Will it take the cold temperatures here in Canada?

[EletrikRide]

I dont know about installers, but thanks to increased electrolyte concentration the cell can withstand about 10 below zero before freezing up.

[Den0Q]

Smack

My question is won't the water splash around when in the car? How will that affect it's efficiency? Thanks Den

[EletrikRide]

The cells are really thin and only 5" wide inside. You would have to really shake the holy crap out if it to mess up production - like a rollover or something catastrophic like that.

[SGiHunter]

This Cell design was originally done in 1931

[EletrikRide]

Actually, you are wrong. This design has roots that go back more than 100 years. Reca'nize. I know my history. This particular design that I'm showing here in this video is brand new. This is my interpretation of it and NO ONE has built a cell with all the built in characteristics that I have combined. People have parts and bits and pieces, but mine has all the best features. This will become self evident as you study the construction.

[john29302]

wow far out! does that refill tube have individual pin holes for each cell? is it like poly tube or more rigid material? also as observer i say all things with resistance and current and volts get hot, leaking or not, but the size of this and substances used and ambient temp dictate the amount of heat dissipated thus the temp of cell. now to be the scientist again i wonder if bringig on an external heat source ie car radiator or exhaust manifold heat exchanger would raise efficiency even more

[EletrikRide]

You definitely do not want to raise heat. You want to to just the opposite! I use PEX tubing also

[mikesglider]

Is this maximized at 40amps@13.8vdc? or 12vdc? or is it that critical? also, can you see any benefit by running multiple cells for more gas output per amps input? thanks for any info.

[EletrikRide]

Actually, I have to correct myself. To keep the proper current density, the maximum amps should be no more that 24 amps. As amps go up, efficiency goes down. So to push more amps and keep the proper efficiency, one would need to add more cells. But I have an easier solution and am building the prototype now.

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[JohnnyType2]

your definitely going in the right direction, this one looks like the business! ;)

[EletrikRide]

Thanks!

[quadancer]

Nice to see you came over to our side at last. I think your design needs improvement yet over ours (shouldn't need a pump for example) but all that will come. We've also found six cells to profoundly amplify output over seven and still not overheat, but if you get that acrylic over about 150 it will warp like crazy. You know me, I'm Gary on the FS site: I'll help you where I can if you like.

...and people, stop saying your crap "puts out great" or whatever. Measure it or shuddup.

[EletrikRide]

No pump needed. I use PV=nRT. This cell has never gone over 130.

[palongee1]

Hey Smack! Are the plans to this cell available anywhere? Id like to fab one up! Thanks...Mike

[EletrikRide]

Goto my site, link is in my profile

[hhoprofessor]

addition!!!

take 61 plates create 240 cell "think about it"

or take 7 plates create 24 cells "think about it".

[EletrikRide]

I've done much more than "think about it". Stay tuned for vids. This is just the basic cell.

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[hhoprofessor]

check out the patent office, but you already know that.the design is as old as the hills so to speak, take the basic design and improve on it."think about it"

Regards

[EletrikRide]

I already have. There is no patent on this design, and if you study it you will see that I have vastly improved on the design already. Come on, this is Smack you are talking to.

[hhoprofessor]

I wish people would stop pitching other peoples work and calling their own, this design as been around and known to the industry for least 30 years maybe longer. The jewellery industry here in the U.K have been using hho for donkeys years. it pisses me off when quoting incorrectly . d3ad001 is so correct. I'm not trying to score brownie points here, but I built this design ten years ago. I've moved on so will you. Don't take offence many follow your work.

[sbjorgy]

If you built this design years ago, what design do you move on to? I haven't seen a better one this type. Please show us your latest design, or tell us where to go and see it. Thanks, Steve

[EletrikRide]

Cram it man. Didn't you watch the video, numbnutz? You are really pissing me off, and pretty soon if you keep it up I'm going to ban you. What the hell do you think B.B. stands for????? Listen for a change. I gave credit where credit was due, so piss off. You are just jealous you didn't think of these mods first.

[d3adp001]

and actuallyeven at 1.9v percell, thermal build it still present, but with the water content you won'tsee it until you get you amperage back upto a decent production rate, which takes a lot of elyte. And from the tests done, there is not a significant amount of voltage leakage, if any to have a hole below water line, but it sure makes keeping the cell full much easier. 127 degrees F at 1.9v thats a pretty good temp increase.

[EletrikRide]

Well you would know that below 1.8VDC it is very difficult to start and maintain the reaction. So 2VDC is the target. Also, I disagree with your temp comment. 127 is phenomenal, seeing how the thing was running all day long. That's as hot as it will ever get, even after a 14 hour overnighter. As explained, I have ZERO current leakage.

[d3adp001]

well as far as current leakage goes, I have measured the two devices side by side,its interesting test, try it some time, as far as the temp goes, Ican maintain 72 degrees, its all about how much is produced,after voltage leakage in a wet cell is addressed anyway. There are many ways to get the edges dealt with, its been done. BTW what was the amount of elyte you used.

[d3adp001]

actually neither bob or tero designed it, its much older than that

[EletrikRide]

That is true, but I don't know who was the first.

[markmil2002]

I was thinking about sticking neo magnets to the steel just to see if they do anything worthwhile. Also to control the magnetic fields possibly. I saw your other video with the 24V test. I loved it!

[markmil2002]

My cell just became obsolete thanks to you. I am going to buy one of these.

[EletrikRide]

Dry is the new word!

[whiterican74]

I have to give it to you on this one. It looks outstanding and performs great. You out did yourself here.

Way to go.

white

[EletrikRide]

Thanks!

[sbjorgy]

I like it, great work. Have you consider matching this up with a PWM, so it can control the amount of current. Low current at idle, more current at higher rpm. I am thinking about a 120dc cell, adding a reworked alternator to the motor (454) of a motor home(1992) to power the cell, you think it would be correct way to go?

[EletrikRide]

A pwm robs power. I'm thinking about a real current regulator

[cribcat1]

Good point as far as the isolation of each plate pair.

[InstallGuys]

Just keep an eye on your acrylic. The NaOH and KOH attack it. Also, you may be able to increase your MMW a little by going with EPDM or neoprene gaskets. Some PVC conducts electricity which shaves a little off your MMW. Of course, your's may not...just commenting.

Looks very nice. Nice MMW, too!

Glad to see you went "Dry"...haha.

STeve

[EletrikRide]

Thanks, it was just a matter of finding the time to build it with my busy schedule. I have had great luck with acrylic - see the Smackzilla - I'm using the exact PVC that Bob suggested so I should be OK. Those end plates may end up being SS later on.

[jdcmusicman]

Pretty nice Drycell .7.5 mmw seems a little high tho..whats your gap space?

[EletrikRide]

High?  LOL! Wait until you see the video showing 9.1MMW. The reasons for the high numbers are explained in the video. Spacing is an ideal .080" - about 2mm.

[jdcmusicman]

I have built a 100% isolated cell with 21 plates and highest mmw is 5.88 ,and I have tried about every drycell design you can think of and the highest I have seen 7

[EletrikRide]

You have not built this one yet. Most designs have PARTS of the proper protocol, but not the encompassing technique. This is why I'm one of the best in the field. I learned from the best. To be honest, I was dissapointed with 7.5MMW - I was shooting for 10MMW. My next video you will see proof of 9.1MMW. It's like anything else - to get in the zone everything has to line up just right in the correct order. Build my cell EXACTLY the way I say and see for yourself.

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[jdcmusicman]

I may try your technique,just to see if what you say is true ..no disrespect , I have to do things myself to believe them ..

[EletrikRide]

You need to understand that the Smack comes correct every time. I never lie. So I encourage you to build this the way I say to build it. If you do, it will perform the way I say it will.

[jdcmusicman]

One other thing are doing measurements on cold or hot gas and do you have steam.If the gas is hot and steam present the mmw will be lot higher

[EletrikRide]

I cover that in extreme detail in my next video. It's uploading. My numbers are as pure as the hydroxy I'm making - you will soon see the proof.

[palongee1]

Is .080 ideal for all cells or just this one in particular? I ask cause I just built one of your designs where it called for 1.6 mm..about .063. My first attempt and all I can say is thanks!...damn cool...MIke

[EletrikRide]

2 - 3mm is ideal

[hemigoose]

is all a natual progression

[EletrikRide]

exactly

[fireslayer26]

Nice work Smack! I just switched to a dry cell design myself. I was able to keep my original Smack booster as the bubbler/resivior too! Check out my videos of the install.

[sfoerman]

way to go smack-----my first dry cell i built two weeks ago .i like the whole idea and bennefits of a dry cell.i used the double wall plates from lowes----flttened them out and used shower pan material to make my gaskets-----i did 9 plates---negative,nnn,positive­,nnn,negative----it works very good----7amps cold to 9 amps hot-----three hour test-lots of gas. will be building better quality cell as soon as i can. keep us up dated [sfoerman]

skeebobiz-HHO IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU BETTER ATTSOMEBODY

[EletrikRide]

I actually saw that vid a while ago - nice work.

[outdoorfan1]

E,

What saturation of NaOH/KOH are you using in that design?

[EletrikRide]

I adjust it to the desired current draw, just like I always do - so I have not measured it.

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[hemigoose]

glad to see you adance the hho technoligy you have come along way from the gen 1

[EletrikRide]

I've had this design in mind for a few years now. These things take time. The GenI has its place as an easy intro cell.

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[LtownHHO]

are you going to abandon the GenIII? I was just going to try and build a GenIII, but this looks better.

[EletrikRide]

No, I will still play around with it.  It is a learning tool

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