AMERICAN WOMEN TURN AMERICAN MEN GAY! WOMEN MUST STAY HOME HAVE KIDS, DO HOMEWORK WITH KIDS, BAKE COOKIES, AND SUCK COCKS.
I HAD A PROBLEM CROSSING WINDSOR /DETROIT TUNNEL BORDER WITH A CBP OFFICER EMERY, SHE HAS HIGH TESTOSTERONE , SHE WILL TURN MEN GAY , ITS A DANGEROUS FOR USA, IN ORDER TO FIX OUR ECONOMY WE MUST REMOVE WOMEN FROM WORKFORCE AND INCREASE US POP BY 500 MLN NOW ITS ONLY 310 MLN, CBP EMERY MUST STAY HOME, WE MUST COMPETE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES THONGS AND G STRINGS COS INFERTILITY
This has nothing to do with the gains women have made and everything to do with a collapsing American economy. Standards of living in America are in decline and real incomes are lower than they were in the 70's.
Both parents aren't working because women are liberated. Both parents are working because there is no other way to maintain an acceptable standard of living for your family.
In a great economy there would be sufficient leisure for one parent not to work.
This means more problems women are gossippers and they start alot of trouble in the workplace. This is how other women begin to fight over men in the worlplace. Most of them work because they are lonely and men mrg. take advantage. Women have more issues because there are different sizes, looks and personality traits some other women might find intimidating and try to get that women off the job by lying.
So, again, what I see in this video is dribble and nonsense from disgruntled men who did NOT realize women are real people. Some women are not good, as some men are not good. BUT< majority could strive for goodness.
Men and women if they decide to HAVE sex or marry should COMPLIMENT each other. NOT COMPLETE each other. That is the biggest myth that many people believe.
Most women carry that belief and men capitalize on it, and wow, does it get them (BOTH) in a heap load of trouble.
Marriage means: a man brings male strengths and attributes, a woman brings female strengths and attributes. Then they combine those attributes - which is the HARD part and learn to WORK together to eventually get a rhythm that works.
With not one LORDING over the other. Or one thinking the other is inferior or less than. Which most times is a mans attitude about a woman. Not the other way around.
Equal sharing in goal setting and duties (which they collaborate on in their unique couple sense). That takes decidation to sit and plan and collaborate - which is work, but worth it and saves tons of conflict.
Add some fun, joy inbetween - because marriage vows say:
Marriage vows: typical traditional and necessary for people to comprehend!
I (insert male or female name)...take YOU...(insert name)
"to have and behold from this day on, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; until death do us part.”
So, where does it say "wing it" or run off because the going gets tough? Do people GET - the REST of YOUR LIFE part or have totally unrealitstic idea about what makes a marriage work.
Most understand the rich, poor, sick and health part.
But do they really UNDERSTAND the LOVE and CHERISH part?
side note: Compromise - use sparingly, other than little things - toothpaste, clothes on floor. Collaboration takes more work, but is worth it.
Do men and women show sufficient love and "cherish" their spouse? This happens with daily actions, words, tone and collaboration. Through thick and thin.
@coolwater55 Of course - it's all men's fault. Now it all makes sense. Wait a minute... don't women have an attitude toward the men that they marry? One word - hypergamy.
... what a joke. Not even a mention of the stimulus money originally earmarked for "shovel ready" infrastructure projects, that would have stimulated the economy and saved jobs in construction, was diverted to public sector, for the stated purpose of job CREATION in female dominated sectors, in response to an aggressive feminist lobby. I suppose it still counts as journalism, so long as you take care to patronize women.
There is NO job creation stimulus made for women. It is built into our sex stereotyping from kindergarten.
to wit: women will cook, clean, pick up, clean puke, messes and tolerate the less than desirable jobs that pay either NOTHING or less than any other job on the market.
ie: waitress, clerks, cashiers, nurses aids, nurses (get paid way less than doctors, yet they know just as much), teachers, even University faculty has majority of WOMEN at bottom rung jobs.
@coolwater55 Ha! yeah, that's why all the garbage collectors in my neighborhood are women. I think the occupations you cite are good examples that demonstrate the real reasons for the mythical wage gap - all safe, indoor occupations. Men occupy virtually all of the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs. They are more willing to expose themselves to the elements, commute, get more training, make every sacrifice and take every risk typically associated with higher pay.
Any PROGRAM - is built FROM stereotyping modules from early ages, then into schools, government, and society.
Programs that do exist are drawn from the model that Men are already privileged and get to be educated and work, while women are expected to stay home with children if they marry.
When men are expected to stay home if they have children, work force policies and encouragement for both genders will exist. Until then stimulus packages (if that is indeed the term) will exist.
Women's work or issues arise etc, this causes problems (like not promoting r not hiring a woman who is married because she "might" get pregnant one day). Yes, this STILL happens.
When men agree to share half time or full time staying home, raising children, running a home for their wifes wage - then they will see the problems women face.
Until then we get men worried about their CONSTRUCTION jobs that women are oh - just flocking to?
No one is taking YOUR Job. If you are so worried, take the job that MOST women hold - walmart cashier!
Work on self, get a good education, do not think of lack or that other people will take YOUR share. For if you try to take away something that can aid others, that will backfire.
Work hard, get a good job - KEEP the job by being a good employee. Be good to others and all will more than likely go well. You can aspire to the many of the best jobs - just because you are a man.
And who said the MONEY is going directly to women? Social service monies go all over the place.
Why are you not CRYING at all the MONEY thrown at BIG CORPORATE CONGLOMERATES LIKE CAR MANUFACTURERS OR MERRILL LYNCH.
BILLIONS, not millions or even 1000's were tossed to those HUGE greedy corps. Take your issue up with that cause, because WHERE are all the JOBS for the average person now created for the huge BAIL outs?
The meager funds to help women are NOTHING compared to that.
@coolwater55 OK... not hard to tell you didn't bother to read the article... or much of anything else for that matter. Do you have anything of substance to add or are you just going to keep talking out your ass? BTW - the idea that men are privileged is absurd to the extreme. I'd like to see one of you femapigs start a petition for women to have to register for the draft. Until that day, shut the fuck up.
We would not be in or starting a damn war iin the first place. The US should mind its own business and not be in that bloody war. But we are, does that mean we have to go or encourage war?
So, peace is the answer.
Women want peace and love and harmony.
So what point is it to start or go to war.
We create the babies to love, nurture and care for and help grow and develope into loving young people. We don't create babies to be blown up in WAR.
@coolwater55 Women want peace and love and harmony? How about Indira Ghandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth I, etc? War boils down to a competition for natural resources. And which is the most gluttonous, vacuous and materialistic consumer demography of all? Women. A diamond is a girl's best friend, right? How many wars in Africa have been fought over diamonds? Yet, I don't know a single man that owns one. Oh, and BTW, when the media says, "child soldier" they mean "boy soldier".
@coolwater55 First of all, fuck you. Second of all, (no shit) I just happen to be a single father of two. Also, single fathers are far less likely to receive payment for child support from their estranged spouses than single mothers are. Those estranged spouses are also less likely to be involved in their children's lives. So, you're ignorant.
@coolwater55 1. Even public intellectuals frequently use profanities to add emphasis (Christopher Hitchens immediately springs to mind). It's called freedom of expression, bitch. It might be advisable for you to avoid questioning one's level of education until you're able to string together a cogent sentence.
2. Women's ability to focus on family/ children starts with men's decision not to leave child rearing to women alone by assuming the role of service and sacrifice.
@boxa78 4. Parity in workforce is still not on par for women, neither is advancement of women in workforce. Google it, 500 words is not sufficient. So men paying child support is still more prevalent that is true. But one will see that will NOT be the case when equality is up to par.
5. IAre you relying in any way or form on outside help or free support for your CARING for your children?
6. I hope the mother of your children is aiding in caring or supporting the children.
7. I know many single moms, and why are they single? many did not choose to be single. So, if a man has to care for his children on his own (which some are widowed or divorced), then they see slightly what single mom goes through.
8. Some men bear the brunt of single fatherhood and know the challenges and THOSE men are not whining and complaining, they are trying to make a difference and VERY grateful for any assistance in raising children. Well most of them.
9. Majority of single parents are MOTHERS, so quit trying to negate the benefits for a single mom, work on your own if you require them. There USUALLY is enough for everyone if they work on these things.
10. If there is not sufficient support for single dads - then approach it in a positive way/ constructive way.
I am not judging your situation, I do NOT know it, nor do I wish to know it. I hope you figure it out, without trying to attack and take away from others.
So it is best to KNOW thyself, and KNOW thy partner BEFORE one marries.
Premarital courses exist. Because men seem to think housework, caring for children, laundry, groceries, cooking and full time house - raising children is free!
In a good marriage BOTH should value "work at home" moms or dads and those who work outside the home.
As for divorce, be a FAIR divorcee and do NOT punish or pit children in the middle!!!! that goes for mother or father.
@coolwater55 9. The majority of single parents are mothers because that's the way women choose it to be. They make the decision, not only for themselves but for men as well, to become parents. They also have the family court system on their side. The numbers would be equal if men were granted equal reproductive and parental rights.
10. Shut up - you're way too stupid to be giving me advice. I'm only attacking you because you're an idiot.
Presuming you have sons, daughters or one of each, you are the one to examine yourself.
I am 55 years, married for 35 years, trials, tribulations, joys and happiness, including tragedy with many family losses or illnesses. "Promises" are made when people fall "in love". But long term "love" is not about excitement and fireworks, it is about real deep abiding love when people STICK together through ups and downs. That does NOT happen in fairytale land.
That is why MOST churches, MOST educated and wise people RECOMMEND, pre marriage counselling.
SIX full months, and lessons, questions and answers for BOTH the man and woman.
The big questions: children, how many, finances, goals, religion etc.
The small questions: roles, duties, chores, Christmas.
I know people to decided to NOT marry after these sessions or those who then waited because they realized the HUGE LIFE LONG committment they were about to undertake!.
@coolwater55 What the hell does any of this have to do with my initial comment about there being no mention of bias in the distribution of stimulus funds? You challenged me on that claim, I referenced an article for you to read, you haven't rebuked anything. You're just spewing garbage.
Parents are 100% responsible when we become adults for our direction and decisions. Challenges will happen. And good things too.
Consequences of rushing or NOT understanding CONTRACTS or VOWS are upon the individual.
CHILDREN come first and NO FATHER or MOTHER (in their right minds) should remotely balk at SUPPORTING their OWN children in any way or form to help them become ALL they can BE in life.
If YOU have problems taking responsibility for YOUR decisions, actions, then that is YOUR problem.
I do NOT enjoy PAYING in my time, money, energy or efforts to help GROWN men or WOMEN when they make MISTAKES and then don't want to withstand the CONSEQUENCES of their actions.(IE social welfare) or child caring for irresponsible people. ie men whining about paying child support or wheedling WOMEN to take CARE of their children for free!
ALL those single mothers- have FATHERS for their children.
For EVERY SINGLE MOTHER - there is a SINGLE FATHER for that SAME child. So a single mother has to go to COURT? to get a father to HELP support the care and raising that CHILD?
ALL MEN (OR WOMEN) should willingly and happily support their CHILD(REN). PARENTS should NOT have to be dragged to COURT to take care of their RESPONSIBILITIES just so their children do not become a product of WELFARE.
@coolwater55 Please! You haven't been able to substantiate even one single claim you've made. Your "real men" comment seems to suggest you don't really believe women should be treated as equals by men. In exactly which comment did I suggest denying women anything? You are a wind bag. Go take some grammar lessons and stop talking out your ass.
@coolwater55 I'm addressing the very serious social problem of feminism in this post. You say it as if it's your "personal problem", but it's a social/ political issue. Once again - you make no sense.
You should take some grammar and spelling lessons before attempting condescension. This kind of pouting from women got boring a long time ago.
Um, show me where women are ruling the world? and stepping all over men and taking them by gunpoint?
Other than SOCIAL problems of a saturated society with violent and sex hungry media orgies - whether news of REAL violence and sexual issues - or t.v. or movies or forcing kids to learn about sex, about abusers about pedophiles and internet crazy with pornography?
So, tell us how feminism caused SEX saturated society? and problems.
@coolwater55 Cross-culturally men seek the approval of women. These social trends are simply an extension of our mating strategies. Men compete for mating rights with the most fertile females, women are the coy and selective sex. Sex sells and pretty ladies can get pretty much whatever they want. It was called The Sexual Revolution. I suppose you think there weren't any feminists involved in that..?
SEXUAL revolution - I LIVED in the MIDST of that time. One foot in traditional, prim and proper society where ALL were on board with sexual decorum.
So a girl had a chance to SAY NO and people backed her up. Majority of girls were NOT keen on sexual revolution. But boys, what a heydey and now they had an excuse to call a girl down or cajole or make her feel guilty that she was a prude, uptight etc. Or even force a girl, thinking that all girls were on board.
Are you making an excuse for pornography, sexual violence and sex saturated media? that it somehow is just male testosterone and "natural"?
IT is trained and taught.
Many Men can very well become very temperate. Or do we have a male society who - after they turn 40 - they burn out viewing porn and using up all their "sex drive in their teens to 30's" and of course the sorry state of denigration of women (men) and purpose and beauty of sex. Most (not all) women are more BALANCED
@boxa78 I did NOT give you grammar lessons at all. I explained that this medium of 500 words is really insufficient to express points succinctly.
So, I responded to your comment, which did not distinguish, and that has nothing to do with grammer or spelling, but instead has to do with communicating a point or articulation.
@coolwater55 7. Women almost always make the choice to be single moms - they have a monopoly on reproductive rights. (Not withstanding "the pill") when an accidental pregnancy occurs, the one thing you will hear said to a woman than you will not hear said to a man is "You have options". Why being a single parent should be harder for a woman than it is for a man is beyond me. Get your head out of your ass.
1. YOU are obviously NOT a single and healthy minded FATHER. ANY healthy father, would put HIS children first and not be writing CRAP on youtube.
2. Well proven WOMEN make less than men overall. More than 50% graduates have been women for a few decades. Many exceptional with grade points, highly qualified and prove leadership etc, but most stay on bottom rung. Many times, More than 75% are male professors in top Uni''s.
Same goes for the U.S. SENATE and CONGRESS. Those are DIRECTLY correlated to the REAL work world in demographics. More than 70% are MALE held positions.
HIGH profile CEO"S of huge companies or managment levels, majority increases in male and decreases in female held positions with less wage, WHILE doing the SAME job. So, if you compare McDONALDS and WALMART employees you MIGHT have a point, otherwise do your research from UNBIASED sources!
@coolwater55 Again, women make choices that earn them lower pay. I already addressed this. When they are wiling to make the same sacrifices as men, they actually earn more.
e.g. University faculty - to wit: University of British Columbia, has outstanding female leaders in all categories.
But MEN obtain by LARGE majority tenures and professorships.
After 4 decades of this feminism and "equality" in workplace. More than 50% female entrance to Universities - post graduates with honours/excellent all round experience - women are still lagging by over 70% in professorships. And that is NOT for lack of quality leadership or intelligence.
It is also not for lack of applying for or presenting themselves in same manner as required for those positions.
Hmm, 40 years is a long time - for women who have proven themselves very capable.
A woman wants both career, and family? why should that matter. Men can have both, so should women be able to have both. They may (as a couple) both not advance as much as IF they were single, but they both advance in their knowledge or skills or contributions, while still raising a family.
YOUare 100% responsible for YOUR sexual activity - 100% responsible if YOU make a baby. 100% if YOU decide to NOT have a baby, then make sure YOU are 100% protected.
A WOMAN must abide by those SAME standards.
Men and women who want to have SEX without consequences are either uneducated (which is incredulous in this day and age) or to blame if you/theyend up NOT wanting the child.
As far as reproductive choices. YOU have them. NO sex or SEX With long term responsible follow up.
@coolwater55 This is not a rebuttal. My initial claim was that men don't have anywhere near equal reproductive with women. The point is that men can be forced into parenthood, women cannot. This insane rambling is not contributing anything to the dialogue. You should shut up now.
@coolwater55 All I said was that women don't have babies by accident. They chose to. I did not say the same for pregnancy. Learn how to read before you spout off,
Actually, you did not distinguish between "accidental pregnancy" and carrying that "accidental pregnancy" full term - does not really matter - because 500 word commentary is limiting.
But, you might want to go back and READ all your comments and all of mine.
I believe you said you are a single father and you implied by that - that YOU are soley caring for your children.
When I questioned you on who looks after the children while you are working? you clammed up.
@coolwater55 "when an accidental pregnancy occurs, the one thing you will hear said to a woman than you will not hear said to a man is "You have options""
No distinction between pregnancy and full term birth is required. The point being made is that the decision to become a parent is not the man's. The woman makes that decision for him. I shouldn't have to explain this to a literate person.
I and OTHERS believe that the FATHER should support those children and YES, sometimes that does mean supplementing a portion of the "mortgage or rent" for a year or two so she CAN get on her FEET to raise those children sufficiently.
OR visa versa if the woman married someone who was a HOUSEHUSBAND/FATHER.
You should learn how to NOT judge a person (single moms) , UNTIL you WALK in their shoes!
@coolwater55 Should a PERSON be forced into parenthood? BTW, I have walked a mile in those shoes, without the social support, and you're the one judging me as "immature" and "irresponsible". Hypocritical much?
I'm pretty sure you mean "vice-versa", super-reader.
So, you raise your children, by yourself? no help from your ex wife or her family or your family or anyone else.
No one helped you get on your feet to raise children all by yourself. You have daycare, childcare, they are involved in activties, go to dentist regularly, do their homework, getting good grades and you stay home every evening running a home, helping children, getting them to and fro, all by yourself. NO help?
It is commendable if you are raising your children on your own and have the RESOURCES to pay for good childcare before and after school. I hope that you do NOT make them "latch key kids". Do you rely on others to take your kids to events, sports, or field days?
Personal Introspection for you only. No response expected.
I spent a bit of time "covering" for working parents- car pool, catechism, ballet, field trips, programs etc. or can't get a sitter, caregiver issues etc.
@coolwater55 I see your world view, like all femapigs, is based on the most cynical evaluation of men possible. I drive, cook clean, tutor, fix cars, perform household maintenance, yard work, everything. My kids are both regularly involved in extra-curricular activities, my daughter speaks French and English (as do I) and we are all musically inclined. Again, single fathers out-perform single mothers in 21 out of 26 different areas for measurement. Latch-key kids - fuck you, ignoramus.
WHO takes your children to school? who cares for your children while you work? I guess your work hours are less than school hours? You take your kids to all the activities, sew costumes and so forth?
Single fathers outperform? hmmm, show me that "report". If you are a stay at home dad who decided to have no personal life, and are independently wealthy, then I will believe NO one ever helped you with your kids.
@coolwater55 Actually, what I should have said was that children raised by single fathers out-perform children raised by single mothers in 21 out of 26 different areas for measurement. See the book Father -Child Reunion by Dr Warren Farrell. His conclusions are based on a meta-analysis of tons of statistical data from several counties.
You can stop making this discussion about me and start looking at the facts now.
@coolwater55 Again, I'm addressing a social issue in these posts. Feminism is not womanhood.I've criticized public policy without denigrating women. I've stated facts, you've responded with emotional drivel. You've denigrated men multiple times. You've resorted to personal attacks by constantly dragging my family into the discussion. Not once have I commented on your personal situation. My points can stand on their own without resorting to this. You have no argument, you have no class, pig.
UM femipig? etc? YOU disrespect women and YOU are so worried about programs to aid women.Because you seem to want to see through a narrow glass.
FACTS women in workforce - comprise predominantly of lower class positions.
waitress, food service, retail, entry positions, teachers, nurses, aides, and assistants or as in Universtity STATS from a REAL faculty roster - HIGH levels in HIGHER Positions are held by men. the Assistants, and instructors are held predominantly by women.
@coolwater55 Again, feminist is not a synonym for woman. Therefore I can say femipig as much as I like and it doesn't count as denigration of women.
Fact - all of the most dangerous, dirtiest jobs are virtually 100% male. There are virtually no women in coal mines, heavy duty construction, garbage collection, street sweeping, deep sea fishing, oil rigging, etc. Man are also more likely to continue their training in order to earn them higher pay.
Last note: My great grandfather was killed in a copper mine. My husbands father was killed in a coal mine. As was his Uncle and my stepbrother.
MEN do the most dangerous jobs. True. Women also die in childbirth still. Actually more women die in childbirth in the US than men die in mines today.
Women instinctively protect their bodies - because they have thinner skin and more nerve ending receptors to PROTECT their bodies so the species will continue.
My husband would not work in any other profession - he is an industrial electrician and now a supervisor. He says he would be bored at any other job.
My sister is a sawyer, I know female 200 ton truck drivers (in coal mines) , carpenters, male nurses and househusbands.
We also know how to survive without modern amenites - so those danger professions would no longer be required in our lives. I would never demand anyone work in a dangerous environment. That is a personal choice.
@coolwater55 Now you're just making shit up. Maternal deaths on the US are about 12 in 100,000. Fatal mining accidents are about 20 per 100,000. The total maternal deaths might be higher, due to over 4 million babies per year being born, but the rates still indicate that being a miner more dangerous. Though, one really should include the total workplace deaths in ALL occupations for a fair comparison; that's if a fair comparison is even possible in this case - I don't think that it is.
At 4 million BIRTHS - 12 in 100,000 = 480 deaths a year. Coal mining deaths in the last decade U.S.A (frank warner website breaks it down) 1990: 66 1991: 61 1992: 55 1993: 47 1994: 45 1995: 47 1996: 39 1997: 30 1998: 29 1999: 35 2000: 38 2001: 42 2002: 27 2003: 30 2004: 28 2005: 23 2006: 47 2007: 34 2008: 30 2009: 18 2010: 48 Mining deaths in all mines since 1976 - note in the last decade, less than 100 losses per annum.
United States Mine Rescue Association breaks things down even more. usmra.com/saxsewell/historical
These are not just "statistics" and lives lost are all a tragedy for the miners and their families. We lived it, we know.
That is WHY I begged my husband to leave the mines! and he did - after 14 years.
My stepfather worked underground for 41 years. My mother begged him to leave too, but these guys have a "thing" for bravado and coal miners in a way are really a different "breed" of men.
@coolwater55 Hooray, you can use google after all. Of course, you still stopped short in considering that there are way more women giving birth than there are miners. That's why I listed them as "per 100,000", because the rate is what's relevant in determining the degree of danger. Over 40,000 people die in automobile accidents every year. Would you agree that driving a car is more than 80 times as dangerous as giving birth, and nearly 1,000 times as dangerous as being a miner?
The largest demographic who CAUSES car accidents are males 18-25. So perhaps you should think of another example. As for maternal death? or mining accidents? did YOU NOT get the point.
It is ALL a tragedy. People go into things hopefully knowing all the issues involved.
And yes, childbirth is relatively safe. And workplaces now have lots of SAFETY measures and HIRE people to do those jobs. You seem to forget, you initiate these subjects.
@coolwater55 Women's "instinctive protection of their bodies" amounts to choice. As I've already said several times, the wage gap is due to the different choices that men and women make - not discrimination. I can't help but think there's some hypocrisy in speaking of women so honorably when they behave according to the survival strategies they've evolved, while at the same time denigrating men for their masculinity. Though I'm not surprised YOU fail to see the contradiction.
A woman knows that having a child means she might have some risk in bearing and birthing that child. Yet, she does it anyway. I know - I had a life threatening birth experience - both times. My sister works in profession where her body broke down from caring for huge patients.
So why compare these stats. Why compare that women die of breast cancer or men die of prostate cancer? It is all a tragedy and as humans we work hard to try to live well and AVOID tragedy.
@coolwater55 I would compare the cancer stats because it receives more funding than all five of the most lethal forms of cancer combined. Under that status quo, people are on the priority - women are.
Women and men worked from grassroots for cancer awareness and in early days, with their own money, time, energy breaking ground for awareness or support. Research funds CAME AFTER those women or men put their efforts in.
My grandmother was founder and president of Breast Cancer Support in British Columbia for 41 years.
She was a one woman show after she experienced the unfortunate radical masectomy in 60's, most of which was UNNECCESSARY by todays standards. with very poor post care.
But she slowly managed to create awareness of prevention and after care along with doctors, nurses who were willing to hear her out. Then she had a good group of people to aid, because of course starting things is fine, but everyone needs support. That way the awareness and work or efforts and rewards of making things better are shared by many.
AND, she also did not know how to deal with loss of underarms and she helped develop prosthesis for women who lose their breasts.
How difficult that is for a Christian shy woman.
Both her and my grandfather lived to 90's in the mode to HELP others in life.
Do you know how cancer research works? or funding? People VOLUNTEER their time and energy to raise money and govt's many times "match" the fundraising. Not the other way around.
@coolwater55 I'll take all that to mean you agree with me that the disproportionate amount of funds going to breast cancer research is a good example of gynocentrism is western society.
I already acknowledged I respect the STRENGTHS and ATTRIBUTES of MEN. But SOME women and SOME men do NOT take on traditional roles. I never said that ALL women want male orientated jobs. My point is: when women put their mind to it, they can do non traditional jobs.
Men and women can do many jobs and we have many more choices today. MOST women, however, will lean toward jobs that are SAFE, because they do NOT want their children motherless.
wage gap exists women at 70% of a mans wage. In some areas the wage for University professors or instructors etc is almost on par. Maybe only a few to 10,000 different for same job.
Do your research of REAL faculty rosters and pay grades.
Where did I denigrate men for their masculinity? Where? find me the exact statement please.
My husband is a "man's man" and believe me, it is hard to live with a man at times who has bravado or wants challenges. He fishes, hunts and has played most sports under the sun. And on teams, hockey, rugby, and so forth.
I could work hard alongside him, he pushed me to test my own strength and abilities at times. But I could never match him in that way.
@coolwater55 "We would not be in or starting a damn war iin the first place" - the implication being that maleness causes war.
"So when men have no problem with being a fulltime househusband/father maybe they will see what we mean." - men are prone to dereliction of their parental duties
"Premarital courses exist. Because men seem to think housework, caring for children, laundry, groceries, cooking and full time house - raising children is free!" - men are all chauvinists.
2. When men have no problem being a househusband/father (I forgot to add) as a SOLE position in life, then they will see how that works. So where is the implication that men are derelict in their duties?
Many men want traditional wife, homemaker, raising the children. But they are not willing to take that role for 18-30 years on themselves is the point.
And you state women are taking jobs? from men, WHERE?
See this is how it is: I am commenting and you are presuming in way broader spectrum or narrow than intended. It is YOUR Mind putting things between the lines that I did not imply or say.
1. premarital courses - also exist for finances and duties and so forth, you isolated out one part. And YES find me how many men really value or understand their wives role at home and with children if she does not have a paying job too. It does not equate to "men are all chauvinists".
3. Go back and see how many times I clarified men and women or that many men are good or that not all fall in those categories.
4. Latch key kids - goes for both parents. We were talking about a single father in that comment. Where did I imply that all single fathers would do this? NO WHERE
I remind YOU of YOUR claim, how you did it all by YOURSELF with NO help. So how can a father WORK fulltime -without HELP - while raising children. YOU raised that subject and it had glaring HOLES.
@coolwater55 "So, tell us how feminism caused SEX saturated society? and problems." - although this is complete lunacy, it does appear to be an attempt to blame men for essentially all social problems.
" Most (not all) women are more BALANCED" - the corollary is that men are relatively unbalanced.
Of course, the "latch-key kids" comment would never have been directed at a single mom.
"they restrict them socially, economically, and intellectually. Some don't allow their women to drive."
1. You brought up the stereotypical nonsense about men and sex re: how they go after women and women are coy. I did not initiate sexual revolution. You implied women were gung ho for sexual revolution ideals.
2. sex saturated society? did feminism cause a sex saturated society? yes or no. and it does NOT mean that only male ideals are involved. It means MONEY is involved for exploitation of sexuality. If men will BUY that stuff it goes part and parcel, now doesn't it.
As for MY comment about male dominant Christians, fundamentlsts.
"they restrict them (girls/women) socially, economically and intellectually. Some don't allow their women to drive"
Wow, there are MEN who do this to their wives. And you must agree with those men, because you believe it is sexist to expose men who deny women rights? of their lives?
That is NOT a sexist remark, it is a tragedy for those women.
5. You have lopsided stats on women and men post divorce, re: financial state. I provided a good resource to refute that. Not to mention real experience shows me how divorced women end up vs. divorced men. They both lose, but women majority of times, loses more.
6. You have resentment of of stay at home moms and housewives. Especially those who divorce and get support from their ex husband.
8. But you also resent women who are working because they "take away mens jobs"? see No. 4
So, help us understand where you see a woman in society?
And how does she put a roof over her head, food, clothing.
Para - You say, she can't have a job, because that takes away a "man's job".
She is not worth much as a housewife or mother, because many men post divorce think she did not "earn money" in the marriage, so she should get "nothing". of the marital assets.
So, where do women fit in society after they birth you? slaves, servants? beggars in the street?
I am for men, women and children to become all they can be and have opportunities for healthy growth in all ways.
You seem, however, to want to deny women even the right to work.
So which jobs do you want women to have and which ones are RESERVED for MEN only?
I am sorry you are so resentful about women. But there are millions of good women and men. If men treat women well and if women treat men well, society would be a great place.
Pinegrove, Red660, major anti women. They are MRA. I have had private messages with red660. He happens to believe feminism destroyed the family and believes women should only be housewives and mothers. But when queried if he would like to be forced to be only a househusband or father figure for the rest of his life, he said NO with a lame excuse.
I told him - no different than saying men must be forced to be "janitors" for the rest of their lives.
I highly doubt you are single parenting all on your own. Men do it, but they admit they need help and they GET help. Otherwise they are in a category of neglectful parenting. AS ANY women would be if she did the same.
So, your nitpicking through my posts and disregarding my positive points about men and women tells me you were baiting me.
I feel sorry for you. But not sorry enough to have pity. But sorry that you are not living your life so you quit worrying about what women are doing.
@coolwater55 Ummm... judgmental much? As usual, you have absolutely no basis for the claims you make. Most notably, your baseless accusation of neglectful parenting on my part is despicably low, even for a feminist. You question my morals for my use of profanities while repeatedly slurring me in the most personally injurious way possible. Your sense of morality is so twisted it boggles the mind.
I did NOT say you were a negligent father. If you have problems with descriptions of getting help when one raises children that is your own conscience talking and has nothing to do with what I said. So look in the mirror, no one called you a negligent parent. IF YOU ARE ONE, You could not answer simple questions.
@coolwater55 Only a feminist could possibly consider a life dedicated to one's children to be something to feel sorry for. You are the one who is poisoned.
Married 35 years . Raised two highly accomplished daughters, one is still in University. Designed and helped build our custom home and run a B and B. as a professional banker I manage our portfolio. I also homeschooled for 7 years, and both girls went to highschool with great grades.
You cannot answer about getting HELP raising your children, because YOU either have no children or YOU do indeed get help! Dedicated parents get HELP if they are working fulltime.
Oh and FYI -- your damn right I would direct a "latch key" comment at a single mom, a single dad or both parents.
That is uncalled for and lazy on a parents part.
Yes, it takes coordinating or planning or even PAYING people to watch children.
But you all had SEX in the first place, so when your mom and dad told you to be careful and you were not, then you now see why they worried and stressed.
Because having sex means having babies and it takes a lifetime of work after.
@boxa78 What don't you understand about having sex makes babies? Is that too hard a concept for you. And do not forget, sex is not a right. It is a priviledge. And NO one should have sex if they do not want to bring a baby to the world.
Your ""f""" bombs? is very telling of one who has lost many arguments in this exchange. You added nothing and cannot refute anything I said. You twist and presume incorrect conclusions from my comments.
@boxa78 I've already explained my position on this several times but I'll try one more time, breaking it down real slow so than even a feminist can understand. The concept of women's liberation is based on the idea that a woman's consent to have sex is not the same as consent to have children. Said "liberation" is from her reproductive system, and the pill was the single greatest liberating factor for women.
@coolwater55 So by applying the standard for measuring one's liberation introduced by feminists, we find that men are not liberated, they are enslaved. Furthermore, an individual reproductive system doesn't actually reproduce anything; and by awarding control over the consummate reproductive system of a relationship to women, an inequality is produced. So great is this inequality that it puts the power to change, and even ruin, a man's life in the hands of any woman he has intercourse with.
1. Women were chattel and property of a man for millenium.
2. Liberating women, meant they were not longer chattel or servants only of a man, without rights in society or rights of ownership or control over their own lives.
3.Men are just as liberated as women and always have been.
4. Cloning exists. The human species could continue without sperm donation. As sci fi and horrible as that sounds, it is possible in the future. We hope mad scientists don't resort to that.
@coolwater55 I have just demonstrated the existence of an extreme inequality that exists in favor of women, to the detriment of men, and you're reply is, "Men are just as liberated as women and always have been"..? I'm afraid this doesn't qualify as a rebuttal of any kind. You have to substantiate your points (as you would understand is you weren't a mindless feminist cow). You point on cloning shows how deeply misandric you really are. You are a disgusting pig.
@coolwater55 Chattel?! I've never heard of a man kneeling and begging a donkey to become his property, while offering it precious stones as proof of his worth as it's master. I've never heard of a donkey that could refuse, in the hopes of a better offer coming along. What's more, I've never heard of a donkey living a longer, less laborious life than its master.
I did not get offered a "precious stone" I paid for my rings from my paycheck. a ring is a sign of a convenant or vow. Most women I know put in long days. I put in a longer day than my husband.
I value his work efforts. But I also know I can work for pay too and we made choices as a couple how we would negotiate those things. But it was not always easy.
People have to work at marriage. Too many young people "give up" when they realize it is work. but it should be a labour of love.
@coolwater55 When a man works himself into an early grave, doing things he doesn't enjoy for people he doesn't care about, so his wife can spend her days focusing on the people that matter most to her, pursuing her own interests and managing her own time, she is not the one who is enslaved - he is.
Don't get MARRIED! You have a skewed view of HIStory.
I wear sweats, shorts, t shirt, apron when I was fulltime homemaking.
You never know when kids will puke or cleaning toilets for men who pee on the seat is another glamorous event of the day.
So, yes, women do spend TIME doing for the ones they love and most of them do it with LOVE. But if a woman is unappreciated or disrespected, it will NOT bode well for a partnership.
"Feminism: 1. the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes. 2. Organized activity on behalf of womens rights and interests."
Note it does not say - equal physical attributes or similar nature. It says political, economical and social. So, there is NOTHING in that definition that majority of men and women do not agree with.
Majority of people by that definition are feminists.
1. U.S.A has not passed ERA, so they don't yet, get "so called equality" let alone the special rights that you imply. Govt grant money - is that something you can apply for? then do so.
2. Canada has equal rights - for all, and one can no longer _ NOTE NO LONGER discriminate based on gender, colour, creed, disability. So women are included in that because at the turn of the 20th century women were classified as NON persons. How nice we are finally "persons" under the law.
@coolwater55 You've just acknowledged that women currently have special rights and that this inequality is in need of correction. Also, your concept of equality is one that would disregard freedom of choice. Men and women typically make different choices, when it comes to career and family. You apparently would disregard those personal choices to achieve the numbers you require to satisfy your criteria for equality. You are a fascist.
@coolwater55 As you've said, 500 charecters is limiting. Her are a couple of minor examples, to wet your appetite:
* Females can be searched by only another female with strict regard to privacy and decency.—(Sec.51, Cr.P.C)
* When a female is arrested for a non-bailable offense, even if the offense is very serious (punishable by death penalty even), the court can release her on bail. —(Sec.437, Cr. P.C)
For more on inequality in Canadian law, see Legalizing Misandry (Nathanson and Young)
@coolwater55 I guess you haven't heard of first wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave feminism, post feminism or radical feminism either. It's amazing to me that you haven't died of embarrassment yet, on account of your exposed ignorance.
Who denied you a right to be educated and go for employment opportunities of your choice?
Who educated you in the art of marriage? because it means self sacrifice from both a man and woman and not lopsided efforts.
You could marry a career woman and stay to run a home and support her in that effort and raise children fulltime. Raise children in an exemplary way that YOU believe women should be doing.
You have many choices. There are NO laws restricting you.
@coolwater55 Inequalities in educational rights don't exist in the modern western world, thought one could make the argument for inequalities in access that discriminate against men (woman only grants, scholarships, counselling programs, title 9 "proportionality", etc.).
A stay home dad is still far less likely to win custody, or spousal support, after divorce. Men who choose to stay home do so at great personal risk. We don't facilitate the stay home parent option for men.
1. This video is, in part, a report on how men are falling behind in academia. See Christina Hoff Sommers book, The War Against Boys, for a detailed breakdown of how discrimination against boys became public policy.
2. The fact that you would do away with athletic scholarships that provide access to education that would otherwise be unavailable to many people, just because many of those people happen to be male, once again shows what a hate-filled pig you are. Ref: your posts
@coolwater55 Again? This is the first time you made this claim, by my count. Discredited? She is still being invited to speak at universities and several of her speaking engagements are up on YouTube. How has she been discredited? Or, since you can't even get her name right, maybe you're just talking out your ass some more. That's about the level of honesty I'd expect from a femipig.
She has been DISCREDITED by her colleagues. Did I specify when, where, why and how? most of her stuff is dribble and tripe and she has been discredited because she has specifically twisted context of what other women have said or the results of stats etc.
She is pretty much another ANN COULTER - but she has a different attack mode. She is out to MAKE money and notoriety, otherwise she would be much more honest in her research. She twists to make a name for herself.
So, Christina (ibid)!!!! is similar to ANN COULTER - who relishes media and shock statements.
Ann catering to male authority in regiemes, republicans for war - and men in general. She is a smoozer for men.
ie Ann women should not get the vote. She is sought after as a guest speaker because she is entertainment.
Christina on the other hand - has similar tactics, a bit more subtle. But when MRA is aligning with her? yes, she is selling books and "popular" with the women bashers.
UM< you are twisting and projecting things I NEVER said.
IN FACT, I stated I would like to see opportunities for men, women and children to be the BEST they can be.
I stated the Athletic scholarships - (on which I agree) because those are primarily male focused monies, grants. So you again are a hypocrit. I don't want to take money from them. They can have it and so can women.
It is YOU who want to take away from women, not I.
@coolwater55 "We had better do away with Athletic scholarships because most of those are geared for Men's sports." - your post. These are your words. I did not twist them. And barely 2 posts later you are contradicting yourself.
I want to take money away from women? I'm not sure I explicitly said this, but no matter - it's a childish straw man fallacy anyway.
Check out University faculty rosters. Majority by a LARGE margin are male dominant in higher status - professorships comprise over 80% men. Women take on the instructor positions in higher numbers. lower pay, not because they are falling behind, but because MEN get chosen over and above women first.
Women are highly qualified in all areas. University faculties are directly correlated to that claim. . So Christian Hoff is spouting nonsense.
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detroitcarshow 1 month ago
More women than men in wage slavery. I see that more women are very happy to become wage slaves nowadays.
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MrBomuch 1 month ago
It's the economy, stupid.
This has nothing to do with the gains women have made and everything to do with a collapsing American economy. Standards of living in America are in decline and real incomes are lower than they were in the 70's.
Both parents aren't working because women are liberated. Both parents are working because there is no other way to maintain an acceptable standard of living for your family.
In a great economy there would be sufficient leisure for one parent not to work.
nippyhippy123 4 months ago
This means more problems women are gossippers and they start alot of trouble in the workplace. This is how other women begin to fight over men in the worlplace. Most of them work because they are lonely and men mrg. take advantage. Women have more issues because there are different sizes, looks and personality traits some other women might find intimidating and try to get that women off the job by lying.
TheProphetess71 7 months ago
That's not discrimination. That's a pervert.
heartlessvietboy 6 months ago
So, again, what I see in this video is dribble and nonsense from disgruntled men who did NOT realize women are real people. Some women are not good, as some men are not good. BUT< majority could strive for goodness.
Men and women if they decide to HAVE sex or marry should COMPLIMENT each other. NOT COMPLETE each other. That is the biggest myth that many people believe.
Most women carry that belief and men capitalize on it, and wow, does it get them (BOTH) in a heap load of trouble.
coolwater55 8 months ago
So SEX and MARRIAGE LESSON NUMBER ONE:
Marriage means: a man brings male strengths and attributes, a woman brings female strengths and attributes. Then they combine those attributes - which is the HARD part and learn to WORK together to eventually get a rhythm that works.
With not one LORDING over the other. Or one thinking the other is inferior or less than. Which most times is a mans attitude about a woman. Not the other way around.
That is the root of all marriage breakdowns.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Marriage lesson TWO!
Equal sharing in goal setting and duties (which they collaborate on in their unique couple sense). That takes decidation to sit and plan and collaborate - which is work, but worth it and saves tons of conflict.
Add some fun, joy inbetween - because marriage vows say:
coolwater55 8 months ago
Marriage vows: typical traditional and necessary for people to comprehend!
I (insert male or female name)...take YOU...(insert name)
"to have and behold from this day on, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; until death do us part.”
So, where does it say "wing it" or run off because the going gets tough? Do people GET - the REST of YOUR LIFE part or have totally unrealitstic idea about what makes a marriage work.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Most understand the rich, poor, sick and health part.
But do they really UNDERSTAND the LOVE and CHERISH part?
side note: Compromise - use sparingly, other than little things - toothpaste, clothes on floor. Collaboration takes more work, but is worth it.
Do men and women show sufficient love and "cherish" their spouse? This happens with daily actions, words, tone and collaboration. Through thick and thin.
That is the glue that holds marriages together.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Of course - it's all men's fault. Now it all makes sense. Wait a minute... don't women have an attitude toward the men that they marry? One word - hypergamy.
boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 The most significant contributing factor to divorce is financial hardship - not men's attitudes, pig.
boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Are you watching the same video as the rest of us?
boxa78 8 months ago
... what a joke. Not even a mention of the stimulus money originally earmarked for "shovel ready" infrastructure projects, that would have stimulated the economy and saved jobs in construction, was diverted to public sector, for the stated purpose of job CREATION in female dominated sectors, in response to an aggressive feminist lobby. I suppose it still counts as journalism, so long as you take care to patronize women.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
There is NO job creation stimulus made for women. It is built into our sex stereotyping from kindergarten.
to wit: women will cook, clean, pick up, clean puke, messes and tolerate the less than desirable jobs that pay either NOTHING or less than any other job on the market.
ie: waitress, clerks, cashiers, nurses aids, nurses (get paid way less than doctors, yet they know just as much), teachers, even University faculty has majority of WOMEN at bottom rung jobs.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Ha! yeah, that's why all the garbage collectors in my neighborhood are women. I think the occupations you cite are good examples that demonstrate the real reasons for the mythical wage gap - all safe, indoor occupations. Men occupy virtually all of the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs. They are more willing to expose themselves to the elements, commute, get more training, make every sacrifice and take every risk typically associated with higher pay.
boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 For stimulus for women info, see Christina Hoff Sommers' article, No Country for Burly Men, in the weekly standard, June 29 2009.
boxa78 8 months ago
Any PROGRAM - is built FROM stereotyping modules from early ages, then into schools, government, and society.
Programs that do exist are drawn from the model that Men are already privileged and get to be educated and work, while women are expected to stay home with children if they marry.
When men are expected to stay home if they have children, work force policies and encouragement for both genders will exist. Until then stimulus packages (if that is indeed the term) will exist.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Women's work or issues arise etc, this causes problems (like not promoting r not hiring a woman who is married because she "might" get pregnant one day). Yes, this STILL happens.
When men agree to share half time or full time staying home, raising children, running a home for their wifes wage - then they will see the problems women face.
Until then we get men worried about their CONSTRUCTION jobs that women are oh - just flocking to?
coolwater55 8 months ago
No one is taking YOUR Job. If you are so worried, take the job that MOST women hold - walmart cashier!
Work on self, get a good education, do not think of lack or that other people will take YOUR share. For if you try to take away something that can aid others, that will backfire.
Work hard, get a good job - KEEP the job by being a good employee. Be good to others and all will more than likely go well. You can aspire to the many of the best jobs - just because you are a man.
coolwater55 8 months ago
And who said the MONEY is going directly to women? Social service monies go all over the place.
Why are you not CRYING at all the MONEY thrown at BIG CORPORATE CONGLOMERATES LIKE CAR MANUFACTURERS OR MERRILL LYNCH.
BILLIONS, not millions or even 1000's were tossed to those HUGE greedy corps. Take your issue up with that cause, because WHERE are all the JOBS for the average person now created for the huge BAIL outs?
The meager funds to help women are NOTHING compared to that.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 OK... not hard to tell you didn't bother to read the article... or much of anything else for that matter. Do you have anything of substance to add or are you just going to keep talking out your ass? BTW - the idea that men are privileged is absurd to the extreme. I'd like to see one of you femapigs start a petition for women to have to register for the draft. Until that day, shut the fuck up.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
We would not be in or starting a damn war iin the first place. The US should mind its own business and not be in that bloody war. But we are, does that mean we have to go or encourage war?
So, peace is the answer.
Women want peace and love and harmony.
So what point is it to start or go to war.
We create the babies to love, nurture and care for and help grow and develope into loving young people. We don't create babies to be blown up in WAR.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Women want peace and love and harmony? How about Indira Ghandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth I, etc? War boils down to a competition for natural resources. And which is the most gluttonous, vacuous and materialistic consumer demography of all? Women. A diamond is a girl's best friend, right? How many wars in Africa have been fought over diamonds? Yet, I don't know a single man that owns one. Oh, and BTW, when the media says, "child soldier" they mean "boy soldier".
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
The rest of your post is ignorance. You did not bother to read dozens of articles or even hundreds on female issues in workplace.
So when men have no problem with being a fulltime househusband/father maybe they will see what we mean.
Until then keep your "dirty" words to yourself!
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 First of all, fuck you. Second of all, (no shit) I just happen to be a single father of two. Also, single fathers are far less likely to receive payment for child support from their estranged spouses than single mothers are. Those estranged spouses are also less likely to be involved in their children's lives. So, you're ignorant.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
1. Crude language shows lack of education because there are lots of words (probably millions) that can express points of view).
2. As a single father - who takes care of your children? WHILE YOU WORK? who pays? Don't give too many details, but THINK about it.
3. My sister and more than a few women I know pay child support.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 1. Even public intellectuals frequently use profanities to add emphasis (Christopher Hitchens immediately springs to mind). It's called freedom of expression, bitch. It might be advisable for you to avoid questioning one's level of education until you're able to string together a cogent sentence.
2. Women's ability to focus on family/ children starts with men's decision not to leave child rearing to women alone by assuming the role of service and sacrifice.
3. Not a statistic.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78 4. Parity in workforce is still not on par for women, neither is advancement of women in workforce. Google it, 500 words is not sufficient. So men paying child support is still more prevalent that is true. But one will see that will NOT be the case when equality is up to par.
5. IAre you relying in any way or form on outside help or free support for your CARING for your children?
6. I hope the mother of your children is aiding in caring or supporting the children.
coolwater55 8 months ago
7. I know many single moms, and why are they single? many did not choose to be single. So, if a man has to care for his children on his own (which some are widowed or divorced), then they see slightly what single mom goes through.
8. Some men bear the brunt of single fatherhood and know the challenges and THOSE men are not whining and complaining, they are trying to make a difference and VERY grateful for any assistance in raising children. Well most of them.
coolwater55 8 months ago
9. Majority of single parents are MOTHERS, so quit trying to negate the benefits for a single mom, work on your own if you require them. There USUALLY is enough for everyone if they work on these things.
10. If there is not sufficient support for single dads - then approach it in a positive way/ constructive way.
I am not judging your situation, I do NOT know it, nor do I wish to know it. I hope you figure it out, without trying to attack and take away from others.
coolwater55 8 months ago
So it is best to KNOW thyself, and KNOW thy partner BEFORE one marries.
Premarital courses exist. Because men seem to think housework, caring for children, laundry, groceries, cooking and full time house - raising children is free!
In a good marriage BOTH should value "work at home" moms or dads and those who work outside the home.
As for divorce, be a FAIR divorcee and do NOT punish or pit children in the middle!!!! that goes for mother or father.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 9. The majority of single parents are mothers because that's the way women choose it to be. They make the decision, not only for themselves but for men as well, to become parents. They also have the family court system on their side. The numbers would be equal if men were granted equal reproductive and parental rights.
10. Shut up - you're way too stupid to be giving me advice. I'm only attacking you because you're an idiot.
boxa78 8 months ago
Presuming you have sons, daughters or one of each, you are the one to examine yourself.
I am 55 years, married for 35 years, trials, tribulations, joys and happiness, including tragedy with many family losses or illnesses. "Promises" are made when people fall "in love". But long term "love" is not about excitement and fireworks, it is about real deep abiding love when people STICK together through ups and downs. That does NOT happen in fairytale land.
coolwater55 8 months ago
That is why MOST churches, MOST educated and wise people RECOMMEND, pre marriage counselling.
SIX full months, and lessons, questions and answers for BOTH the man and woman.
The big questions: children, how many, finances, goals, religion etc.
The small questions: roles, duties, chores, Christmas.
I know people to decided to NOT marry after these sessions or those who then waited because they realized the HUGE LIFE LONG committment they were about to undertake!.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 What the hell does any of this have to do with my initial comment about there being no mention of bias in the distribution of stimulus funds? You challenged me on that claim, I referenced an article for you to read, you haven't rebuked anything. You're just spewing garbage.
boxa78 8 months ago
Parents are 100% responsible when we become adults for our direction and decisions. Challenges will happen. And good things too.
Consequences of rushing or NOT understanding CONTRACTS or VOWS are upon the individual.
CHILDREN come first and NO FATHER or MOTHER (in their right minds) should remotely balk at SUPPORTING their OWN children in any way or form to help them become ALL they can BE in life.
That MEANS sacrifices.
Take care of them and don't be pawning them off.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Once again - get off the drugs. You're rambling.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
I am NOT giving YOU advice.
If YOU have problems taking responsibility for YOUR decisions, actions, then that is YOUR problem.
I do NOT enjoy PAYING in my time, money, energy or efforts to help GROWN men or WOMEN when they make MISTAKES and then don't want to withstand the CONSEQUENCES of their actions.(IE social welfare) or child caring for irresponsible people. ie men whining about paying child support or wheedling WOMEN to take CARE of their children for free!
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 None of this is even relevant to this discussion - get off the drugs.
boxa78 8 months ago
ALL those single mothers- have FATHERS for their children.
For EVERY SINGLE MOTHER - there is a SINGLE FATHER for that SAME child. So a single mother has to go to COURT? to get a father to HELP support the care and raising that CHILD?
ALL MEN (OR WOMEN) should willingly and happily support their CHILD(REN). PARENTS should NOT have to be dragged to COURT to take care of their RESPONSIBILITIES just so their children do not become a product of WELFARE.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78
The rest of your posts show a very immature and irresponsible man.
And NO, intelligent and CARING, COMPASSIONATE and ELOQUENT people do NOT resort to curse words.
REAL MEN swear at REAL MEN and that should be confined to that special circle and NOT to women, children, elders and so foth.
Employing curse words, ESPECIALLY in the context of discussing peoples rights and lives?
Worry about YOUR WORK efforts and children! You seem to want to DENY women from what I see.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Please! You haven't been able to substantiate even one single claim you've made. Your "real men" comment seems to suggest you don't really believe women should be treated as equals by men. In exactly which comment did I suggest denying women anything? You are a wind bag. Go take some grammar lessons and stop talking out your ass.
boxa78 8 months ago
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@boxa78
Two words left for you and do NOT reply unless you have bothered to read what I wrote.
"GROW UP" you are not ready for prime time. You have a ways to go, but do not want to deny others. Work on your own self and efforts for your family.
Let the others work out their own problems.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I'm addressing the very serious social problem of feminism in this post. You say it as if it's your "personal problem", but it's a social/ political issue. Once again - you make no sense.
You should take some grammar and spelling lessons before attempting condescension. This kind of pouting from women got boring a long time ago.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
Um, feminism - a vy for equal rights.
Um, show me where women are ruling the world? and stepping all over men and taking them by gunpoint?
Other than SOCIAL problems of a saturated society with violent and sex hungry media orgies - whether news of REAL violence and sexual issues - or t.v. or movies or forcing kids to learn about sex, about abusers about pedophiles and internet crazy with pornography?
So, tell us how feminism caused SEX saturated society? and problems.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Cross-culturally men seek the approval of women. These social trends are simply an extension of our mating strategies. Men compete for mating rights with the most fertile females, women are the coy and selective sex. Sex sells and pretty ladies can get pretty much whatever they want. It was called The Sexual Revolution. I suppose you think there weren't any feminists involved in that..?
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
SEXUAL revolution - I LIVED in the MIDST of that time. One foot in traditional, prim and proper society where ALL were on board with sexual decorum.
So a girl had a chance to SAY NO and people backed her up. Majority of girls were NOT keen on sexual revolution. But boys, what a heydey and now they had an excuse to call a girl down or cajole or make her feel guilty that she was a prude, uptight etc. Or even force a girl, thinking that all girls were on board.
But...
coolwater55 8 months ago
Are you making an excuse for pornography, sexual violence and sex saturated media? that it somehow is just male testosterone and "natural"?
IT is trained and taught.
Many Men can very well become very temperate. Or do we have a male society who - after they turn 40 - they burn out viewing porn and using up all their "sex drive in their teens to 30's" and of course the sorry state of denigration of women (men) and purpose and beauty of sex. Most (not all) women are more BALANCED
coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78 I did NOT give you grammar lessons at all. I explained that this medium of 500 words is really insufficient to express points succinctly.
So, I responded to your comment, which did not distinguish, and that has nothing to do with grammer or spelling, but instead has to do with communicating a point or articulation.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 g-r-a-m-m-A-r
And I was suggesting that YOU get some grammar lessons, so that it at least appears that I'm debating someone who finished the 9th grade.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
Go back to University and then correct me. Casual youtube. If you want a term paper, I can email you my last one.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Demonstrating a university level grasp on the English language after the tenth time I corrected you would be more convincing.
boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 7. Women almost always make the choice to be single moms - they have a monopoly on reproductive rights. (Not withstanding "the pill") when an accidental pregnancy occurs, the one thing you will hear said to a woman than you will not hear said to a man is "You have options". Why being a single parent should be harder for a woman than it is for a man is beyond me. Get your head out of your ass.
8. Thank you Capt Obvious.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
1. YOU are obviously NOT a single and healthy minded FATHER. ANY healthy father, would put HIS children first and not be writing CRAP on youtube.
2. Well proven WOMEN make less than men overall. More than 50% graduates have been women for a few decades. Many exceptional with grade points, highly qualified and prove leadership etc, but most stay on bottom rung. Many times, More than 75% are male professors in top Uni''s.
Wage gap exists with EQUITABLE positions.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Same goes for the U.S. SENATE and CONGRESS. Those are DIRECTLY correlated to the REAL work world in demographics. More than 70% are MALE held positions.
HIGH profile CEO"S of huge companies or managment levels, majority increases in male and decreases in female held positions with less wage, WHILE doing the SAME job. So, if you compare McDONALDS and WALMART employees you MIGHT have a point, otherwise do your research from UNBIASED sources!
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Again, women make choices that earn them lower pay. I already addressed this. When they are wiling to make the same sacrifices as men, they actually earn more.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
e.g. University faculty - to wit: University of British Columbia, has outstanding female leaders in all categories.
But MEN obtain by LARGE majority tenures and professorships.
After 4 decades of this feminism and "equality" in workplace. More than 50% female entrance to Universities - post graduates with honours/excellent all round experience - women are still lagging by over 70% in professorships. And that is NOT for lack of quality leadership or intelligence.
coolwater55 8 months ago
It is also not for lack of applying for or presenting themselves in same manner as required for those positions.
Hmm, 40 years is a long time - for women who have proven themselves very capable.
A woman wants both career, and family? why should that matter. Men can have both, so should women be able to have both. They may (as a couple) both not advance as much as IF they were single, but they both advance in their knowledge or skills or contributions, while still raising a family.
coolwater55 8 months ago
YOUare 100% responsible for YOUR sexual activity - 100% responsible if YOU make a baby. 100% if YOU decide to NOT have a baby, then make sure YOU are 100% protected.
A WOMAN must abide by those SAME standards.
Men and women who want to have SEX without consequences are either uneducated (which is incredulous in this day and age) or to blame if you/theyend up NOT wanting the child.
As far as reproductive choices. YOU have them. NO sex or SEX With long term responsible follow up.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 This is not a rebuttal. My initial claim was that men don't have anywhere near equal reproductive with women. The point is that men can be forced into parenthood, women cannot. This insane rambling is not contributing anything to the dialogue. You should shut up now.
boxa78 8 months ago
Women did NOT choose to be the only gender that can carry and BIRTH babies, so what choices do women have? Same CHOICES a man has PRIOR to SEX.
They can:
Marry and agree to raise a family.
Or have NO sex if they do NOT want a family.
As far as RAPE - what choice does that woman have. Many women carry the baby.
BIRTH control: The MAN and WOMAN should BOTH use birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy.
Then abortion or UNWANTED baby would be a RARE thing.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 There is no birth control for men. We only have condoms, which are a prophylactic. Birth control for men would solve a lot of problems.
boxa78 8 months ago
Where is YOUR research that shows how many GIRLS/WOMEN who wanted to get pregnant, live below poverty line - raise a child(ren) all by themselves.
RARE.
MOST women DREAM of getting educated, making way in careers, travel and pursuing their passions. THEN to settle down with Mr. Right.
SOME girls are already living in poverty or uneducated, maybe they are confused.
But most want the fairytale wedding, house with white picket fence and the handsome husband who works with HER!
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 All I said was that women don't have babies by accident. They chose to. I did not say the same for pregnancy. Learn how to read before you spout off,
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
Actually, you did not distinguish between "accidental pregnancy" and carrying that "accidental pregnancy" full term - does not really matter - because 500 word commentary is limiting.
But, you might want to go back and READ all your comments and all of mine.
I believe you said you are a single father and you implied by that - that YOU are soley caring for your children.
When I questioned you on who looks after the children while you are working? you clammed up.
coolwater55 8 months ago
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@coolwater55 "when an accidental pregnancy occurs, the one thing you will hear said to a woman than you will not hear said to a man is "You have options""
No distinction between pregnancy and full term birth is required. The point being made is that the decision to become a parent is not the man's. The woman makes that decision for him. I shouldn't have to explain this to a literate person.
boxa78 8 months ago
I and OTHERS believe that the FATHER should support those children and YES, sometimes that does mean supplementing a portion of the "mortgage or rent" for a year or two so she CAN get on her FEET to raise those children sufficiently.
OR visa versa if the woman married someone who was a HOUSEHUSBAND/FATHER.
You should learn how to NOT judge a person (single moms) , UNTIL you WALK in their shoes!
My reading ability is just fine.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Should a PERSON be forced into parenthood? BTW, I have walked a mile in those shoes, without the social support, and you're the one judging me as "immature" and "irresponsible". Hypocritical much?
I'm pretty sure you mean "vice-versa", super-reader.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
I never once corrected your spelling.
So, you raise your children, by yourself? no help from your ex wife or her family or your family or anyone else.
No one helped you get on your feet to raise children all by yourself. You have daycare, childcare, they are involved in activties, go to dentist regularly, do their homework, getting good grades and you stay home every evening running a home, helping children, getting them to and fro, all by yourself. NO help?
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 That's right... I actually live in a different country than my extended family. It's all me - 100%.
Not that any of this is any of your business or at all relevant to the video you're commenting on.
boxa78 8 months ago
It is commendable if you are raising your children on your own and have the RESOURCES to pay for good childcare before and after school. I hope that you do NOT make them "latch key kids". Do you rely on others to take your kids to events, sports, or field days?
Personal Introspection for you only. No response expected.
I spent a bit of time "covering" for working parents- car pool, catechism, ballet, field trips, programs etc. or can't get a sitter, caregiver issues etc.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I see your world view, like all femapigs, is based on the most cynical evaluation of men possible. I drive, cook clean, tutor, fix cars, perform household maintenance, yard work, everything. My kids are both regularly involved in extra-curricular activities, my daughter speaks French and English (as do I) and we are all musically inclined. Again, single fathers out-perform single mothers in 21 out of 26 different areas for measurement. Latch-key kids - fuck you, ignoramus.
boxa78 8 months ago
WHO takes your children to school? who cares for your children while you work? I guess your work hours are less than school hours? You take your kids to all the activities, sew costumes and so forth?
Single fathers outperform? hmmm, show me that "report". If you are a stay at home dad who decided to have no personal life, and are independently wealthy, then I will believe NO one ever helped you with your kids.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Actually, what I should have said was that children raised by single fathers out-perform children raised by single mothers in 21 out of 26 different areas for measurement. See the book Father -Child Reunion by Dr Warren Farrell. His conclusions are based on a meta-analysis of tons of statistical data from several counties.
You can stop making this discussion about me and start looking at the facts now.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78 I have a big problem with men who resort to name calling and disrespect women and judge.
YOU are the one judging single women and being derogatory in general.
I am pointing out issues women face and defending women because YOU attacked them and their position.
Your attitude in this discussion is about personal attacks. But YOU claimed to be superdad and denigrated women.
YOU had those children, but YOU seem resentful throughout your posts.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Again, I'm addressing a social issue in these posts. Feminism is not womanhood.I've criticized public policy without denigrating women. I've stated facts, you've responded with emotional drivel. You've denigrated men multiple times. You've resorted to personal attacks by constantly dragging my family into the discussion. Not once have I commented on your personal situation. My points can stand on their own without resorting to this. You have no argument, you have no class, pig.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
UM femipig? etc? YOU disrespect women and YOU are so worried about programs to aid women.Because you seem to want to see through a narrow glass.
FACTS women in workforce - comprise predominantly of lower class positions.
waitress, food service, retail, entry positions, teachers, nurses, aides, and assistants or as in Universtity STATS from a REAL faculty roster - HIGH levels in HIGHER Positions are held by men. the Assistants, and instructors are held predominantly by women.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Again, feminist is not a synonym for woman. Therefore I can say femipig as much as I like and it doesn't count as denigration of women.
Fact - all of the most dangerous, dirtiest jobs are virtually 100% male. There are virtually no women in coal mines, heavy duty construction, garbage collection, street sweeping, deep sea fishing, oil rigging, etc. Man are also more likely to continue their training in order to earn them higher pay.
We're just going in circles now.
boxa78 8 months ago
Last note: My great grandfather was killed in a copper mine. My husbands father was killed in a coal mine. As was his Uncle and my stepbrother.
MEN do the most dangerous jobs. True. Women also die in childbirth still. Actually more women die in childbirth in the US than men die in mines today.
Women instinctively protect their bodies - because they have thinner skin and more nerve ending receptors to PROTECT their bodies so the species will continue.
coolwater55 8 months ago
My husband would not work in any other profession - he is an industrial electrician and now a supervisor. He says he would be bored at any other job.
My sister is a sawyer, I know female 200 ton truck drivers (in coal mines) , carpenters, male nurses and househusbands.
We also know how to survive without modern amenites - so those danger professions would no longer be required in our lives. I would never demand anyone work in a dangerous environment. That is a personal choice.
coolwater55 8 months ago
And the reason I am onto you, is you revealed your true motives.
You are not worried about anyone getting money. You are worried about divorced women getting a proper settlement and you resent that process.
Your disrespect for marriage and a housewife/mother role is evident. And sad.
I hope you figure it out.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Now you're just making shit up. Maternal deaths on the US are about 12 in 100,000. Fatal mining accidents are about 20 per 100,000. The total maternal deaths might be higher, due to over 4 million babies per year being born, but the rates still indicate that being a miner more dangerous. Though, one really should include the total workplace deaths in ALL occupations for a fair comparison; that's if a fair comparison is even possible in this case - I don't think that it is.
boxa78 8 months ago
coolwater55 8 months ago
United States Mine Rescue Association breaks things down even more. usmra.com/saxsewell/historical
These are not just "statistics" and lives lost are all a tragedy for the miners and their families. We lived it, we know.
That is WHY I begged my husband to leave the mines! and he did - after 14 years.
My stepfather worked underground for 41 years. My mother begged him to leave too, but these guys have a "thing" for bravado and coal miners in a way are really a different "breed" of men.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Hooray, you can use google after all. Of course, you still stopped short in considering that there are way more women giving birth than there are miners. That's why I listed them as "per 100,000", because the rate is what's relevant in determining the degree of danger. Over 40,000 people die in automobile accidents every year. Would you agree that driving a car is more than 80 times as dangerous as giving birth, and nearly 1,000 times as dangerous as being a miner?
boxa78 8 months ago
Car accidents are a whole other topic.
The largest demographic who CAUSES car accidents are males 18-25. So perhaps you should think of another example. As for maternal death? or mining accidents? did YOU NOT get the point.
It is ALL a tragedy. People go into things hopefully knowing all the issues involved.
And yes, childbirth is relatively safe. And workplaces now have lots of SAFETY measures and HIRE people to do those jobs. You seem to forget, you initiate these subjects.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Women's "instinctive protection of their bodies" amounts to choice. As I've already said several times, the wage gap is due to the different choices that men and women make - not discrimination. I can't help but think there's some hypocrisy in speaking of women so honorably when they behave according to the survival strategies they've evolved, while at the same time denigrating men for their masculinity. Though I'm not surprised YOU fail to see the contradiction.
boxa78 8 months ago
So - let us RECAP.
A woman knows that having a child means she might have some risk in bearing and birthing that child. Yet, she does it anyway. I know - I had a life threatening birth experience - both times. My sister works in profession where her body broke down from caring for huge patients.
So why compare these stats. Why compare that women die of breast cancer or men die of prostate cancer? It is all a tragedy and as humans we work hard to try to live well and AVOID tragedy.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I would compare the cancer stats because it receives more funding than all five of the most lethal forms of cancer combined. Under that status quo, people are on the priority - women are.
boxa78 8 months ago
Women and men worked from grassroots for cancer awareness and in early days, with their own money, time, energy breaking ground for awareness or support. Research funds CAME AFTER those women or men put their efforts in.
My grandmother was founder and president of Breast Cancer Support in British Columbia for 41 years.
She was a one woman show after she experienced the unfortunate radical masectomy in 60's, most of which was UNNECCESSARY by todays standards. with very poor post care.
coolwater55 8 months ago
But she slowly managed to create awareness of prevention and after care along with doctors, nurses who were willing to hear her out. Then she had a good group of people to aid, because of course starting things is fine, but everyone needs support. That way the awareness and work or efforts and rewards of making things better are shared by many.
coolwater55 8 months ago
AND, she also did not know how to deal with loss of underarms and she helped develop prosthesis for women who lose their breasts.
How difficult that is for a Christian shy woman.
Both her and my grandfather lived to 90's in the mode to HELP others in life.
Do you know how cancer research works? or funding? People VOLUNTEER their time and energy to raise money and govt's many times "match" the fundraising. Not the other way around.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I'll take all that to mean you agree with me that the disproportionate amount of funds going to breast cancer research is a good example of gynocentrism is western society.
boxa78 8 months ago
I already acknowledged I respect the STRENGTHS and ATTRIBUTES of MEN. But SOME women and SOME men do NOT take on traditional roles. I never said that ALL women want male orientated jobs. My point is: when women put their mind to it, they can do non traditional jobs.
Men and women can do many jobs and we have many more choices today. MOST women, however, will lean toward jobs that are SAFE, because they do NOT want their children motherless.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I'll take this as acknowledgement of that fact that the wage gap is a result of men and women making different choices.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
wage gap exists women at 70% of a mans wage. In some areas the wage for University professors or instructors etc is almost on par. Maybe only a few to 10,000 different for same job.
Do your research of REAL faculty rosters and pay grades.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 See Warren Farell's book, Why Men Earn More.
boxa78 8 months ago
Where did I denigrate men for their masculinity? Where? find me the exact statement please.
My husband is a "man's man" and believe me, it is hard to live with a man at times who has bravado or wants challenges. He fishes, hunts and has played most sports under the sun. And on teams, hockey, rugby, and so forth.
I could work hard alongside him, he pushed me to test my own strength and abilities at times. But I could never match him in that way.
Got an appointment. Bye for now.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 "We would not be in or starting a damn war iin the first place" - the implication being that maleness causes war.
"So when men have no problem with being a fulltime househusband/father maybe they will see what we mean." - men are prone to dereliction of their parental duties
"Premarital courses exist. Because men seem to think housework, caring for children, laundry, groceries, cooking and full time house - raising children is free!" - men are all chauvinists.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
1. To say that men start war - FACTS.
2. When men have no problem being a househusband/father (I forgot to add) as a SOLE position in life, then they will see how that works. So where is the implication that men are derelict in their duties?
Many men want traditional wife, homemaker, raising the children. But they are not willing to take that role for 18-30 years on themselves is the point.
And you state women are taking jobs? from men, WHERE?
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 To say that women start war - fact ( as I've already stated, and cited several examples of)
This video is a report on a transfer of jobs from male dominated to female dominated fields. Maybe you should try watching it.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
See this is how it is: I am commenting and you are presuming in way broader spectrum or narrow than intended. It is YOUR Mind putting things between the lines that I did not imply or say.
1. premarital courses - also exist for finances and duties and so forth, you isolated out one part. And YES find me how many men really value or understand their wives role at home and with children if she does not have a paying job too. It does not equate to "men are all chauvinists".
coolwater55 8 months ago
3. Go back and see how many times I clarified men and women or that many men are good or that not all fall in those categories.
4. Latch key kids - goes for both parents. We were talking about a single father in that comment. Where did I imply that all single fathers would do this? NO WHERE
I remind YOU of YOUR claim, how you did it all by YOURSELF with NO help. So how can a father WORK fulltime -without HELP - while raising children. YOU raised that subject and it had glaring HOLES.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 "So, tell us how feminism caused SEX saturated society? and problems." - although this is complete lunacy, it does appear to be an attempt to blame men for essentially all social problems.
" Most (not all) women are more BALANCED" - the corollary is that men are relatively unbalanced.
Of course, the "latch-key kids" comment would never have been directed at a single mom.
"they restrict them socially, economically, and intellectually. Some don't allow their women to drive."
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
1. You brought up the stereotypical nonsense about men and sex re: how they go after women and women are coy. I did not initiate sexual revolution. You implied women were gung ho for sexual revolution ideals.
2. sex saturated society? did feminism cause a sex saturated society? yes or no. and it does NOT mean that only male ideals are involved. It means MONEY is involved for exploitation of sexuality. If men will BUY that stuff it goes part and parcel, now doesn't it.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78
As for MY comment about male dominant Christians, fundamentlsts.
"they restrict them (girls/women) socially, economically and intellectually. Some don't allow their women to drive"
Wow, there are MEN who do this to their wives. And you must agree with those men, because you believe it is sexist to expose men who deny women rights? of their lives?
That is NOT a sexist remark, it is a tragedy for those women.
coolwater55 8 months ago
So to recap.
1. It is hard to believe you are a single father of two with the stuff you are writing.
2. you write dribble from anti-women websites. Do you think that Christina Hoff is credible? Her colleagues (both men and women) do not.
3. breast cancer awareness groups are an unjust target of MRA men - who do not understand how cancer research funds work.
4. You worry about women taking jobs away from men. Which to me there are tons of jobs out there, so..? also a MRA warped issue.
coolwater55 8 months ago
5. You have lopsided stats on women and men post divorce, re: financial state. I provided a good resource to refute that. Not to mention real experience shows me how divorced women end up vs. divorced men. They both lose, but women majority of times, loses more.
6. You have resentment of of stay at home moms and housewives. Especially those who divorce and get support from their ex husband.
8. But you also resent women who are working because they "take away mens jobs"? see No. 4
coolwater55 8 months ago
So, help us understand where you see a woman in society?
And how does she put a roof over her head, food, clothing.
Para - You say, she can't have a job, because that takes away a "man's job".
She is not worth much as a housewife or mother, because many men post divorce think she did not "earn money" in the marriage, so she should get "nothing". of the marital assets.
So, where do women fit in society after they birth you? slaves, servants? beggars in the street?
coolwater55 8 months ago
I am for men, women and children to become all they can be and have opportunities for healthy growth in all ways.
You seem, however, to want to deny women even the right to work.
So which jobs do you want women to have and which ones are RESERVED for MEN only?
I am sorry you are so resentful about women. But there are millions of good women and men. If men treat women well and if women treat men well, society would be a great place.
coolwater55 8 months ago
btw.
Pinegrove, Red660, major anti women. They are MRA. I have had private messages with red660. He happens to believe feminism destroyed the family and believes women should only be housewives and mothers. But when queried if he would like to be forced to be only a househusband or father figure for the rest of his life, he said NO with a lame excuse.
I told him - no different than saying men must be forced to be "janitors" for the rest of their lives.
coolwater55 8 months ago
I highly doubt you are single parenting all on your own. Men do it, but they admit they need help and they GET help. Otherwise they are in a category of neglectful parenting. AS ANY women would be if she did the same.
So, your nitpicking through my posts and disregarding my positive points about men and women tells me you were baiting me.
I feel sorry for you. But not sorry enough to have pity. But sorry that you are not living your life so you quit worrying about what women are doing.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Ummm... judgmental much? As usual, you have absolutely no basis for the claims you make. Most notably, your baseless accusation of neglectful parenting on my part is despicably low, even for a feminist. You question my morals for my use of profanities while repeatedly slurring me in the most personally injurious way possible. Your sense of morality is so twisted it boggles the mind.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
I did NOT say you were a negligent father. If you have problems with descriptions of getting help when one raises children that is your own conscience talking and has nothing to do with what I said. So look in the mirror, no one called you a negligent parent. IF YOU ARE ONE, You could not answer simple questions.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Only a feminist could possibly consider a life dedicated to one's children to be something to feel sorry for. You are the one who is poisoned.
boxa78 8 months ago
Married 35 years . Raised two highly accomplished daughters, one is still in University. Designed and helped build our custom home and run a B and B. as a professional banker I manage our portfolio. I also homeschooled for 7 years, and both girls went to highschool with great grades.
You cannot answer about getting HELP raising your children, because YOU either have no children or YOU do indeed get help! Dedicated parents get HELP if they are working fulltime.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Anyway, you really have to stop reading biased websites and following men like pinegrove or red around. They have vendettas.
And life is not healthy when people thrive on vendettas. It only harms.
If you do have a daughter, I suggest you start going to healthy positive places to be with people of that frame of mind.
As it is, you will poison her mind with the crap you are spoutiing on here.
I will pray for you.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Oh and FYI -- your damn right I would direct a "latch key" comment at a single mom, a single dad or both parents.
That is uncalled for and lazy on a parents part.
Yes, it takes coordinating or planning or even PAYING people to watch children.
But you all had SEX in the first place, so when your mom and dad told you to be careful and you were not, then you now see why they worried and stressed.
Because having sex means having babies and it takes a lifetime of work after.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Again, and with all sincerity, fuck you.
boxa78 8 months ago
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coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78 What don't you understand about having sex makes babies? Is that too hard a concept for you. And do not forget, sex is not a right. It is a priviledge. And NO one should have sex if they do not want to bring a baby to the world.
Your ""f""" bombs? is very telling of one who has lost many arguments in this exchange. You added nothing and cannot refute anything I said. You twist and presume incorrect conclusions from my comments.
With all sincerity, I do pray for you.
coolwater55 8 months ago
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boxa78 8 months ago
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@boxa78 I've already explained my position on this several times but I'll try one more time, breaking it down real slow so than even a feminist can understand. The concept of women's liberation is based on the idea that a woman's consent to have sex is not the same as consent to have children. Said "liberation" is from her reproductive system, and the pill was the single greatest liberating factor for women.
boxa78 8 months ago
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boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 So by applying the standard for measuring one's liberation introduced by feminists, we find that men are not liberated, they are enslaved. Furthermore, an individual reproductive system doesn't actually reproduce anything; and by awarding control over the consummate reproductive system of a relationship to women, an inequality is produced. So great is this inequality that it puts the power to change, and even ruin, a man's life in the hands of any woman he has intercourse with.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
1. Women were chattel and property of a man for millenium.
2. Liberating women, meant they were not longer chattel or servants only of a man, without rights in society or rights of ownership or control over their own lives.
3.Men are just as liberated as women and always have been.
4. Cloning exists. The human species could continue without sperm donation. As sci fi and horrible as that sounds, it is possible in the future. We hope mad scientists don't resort to that.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I have just demonstrated the existence of an extreme inequality that exists in favor of women, to the detriment of men, and you're reply is, "Men are just as liberated as women and always have been"..? I'm afraid this doesn't qualify as a rebuttal of any kind. You have to substantiate your points (as you would understand is you weren't a mindless feminist cow). You point on cloning shows how deeply misandric you really are. You are a disgusting pig.
boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Chattel?! I've never heard of a man kneeling and begging a donkey to become his property, while offering it precious stones as proof of his worth as it's master. I've never heard of a donkey that could refuse, in the hopes of a better offer coming along. What's more, I've never heard of a donkey living a longer, less laborious life than its master.
boxa78 8 months ago
I did not get offered a "precious stone" I paid for my rings from my paycheck. a ring is a sign of a convenant or vow. Most women I know put in long days. I put in a longer day than my husband.
I value his work efforts. But I also know I can work for pay too and we made choices as a couple how we would negotiate those things. But it was not always easy.
People have to work at marriage. Too many young people "give up" when they realize it is work. but it should be a labour of love.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 When a man works himself into an early grave, doing things he doesn't enjoy for people he doesn't care about, so his wife can spend her days focusing on the people that matter most to her, pursuing her own interests and managing her own time, she is not the one who is enslaved - he is.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
Don't get MARRIED! You have a skewed view of HIStory.
I wear sweats, shorts, t shirt, apron when I was fulltime homemaking.
You never know when kids will puke or cleaning toilets for men who pee on the seat is another glamorous event of the day.
So, yes, women do spend TIME doing for the ones they love and most of them do it with LOVE. But if a woman is unappreciated or disrespected, it will NOT bode well for a partnership.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 More personal stories and emotional drivel.
boxa78 8 months ago
You realize anger is an emotion, bitterness is an emotion. Your emotional insults and outbursts are emotions.
Unjustified ones, but, emotions, nonetheless.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78
At least my emotions are constructive.
coolwater55 8 months ago
Miriam - Webster Dictionary:
"Feminism: 1. the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes. 2. Organized activity on behalf of womens rights and interests."
Note it does not say - equal physical attributes or similar nature. It says political, economical and social. So, there is NOTHING in that definition that majority of men and women do not agree with.
Majority of people by that definition are feminists.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 That definition breaks down under scrutiny. Modern feminism is focused on special rights and protections under the law for women.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
1. U.S.A has not passed ERA, so they don't yet, get "so called equality" let alone the special rights that you imply. Govt grant money - is that something you can apply for? then do so.
2. Canada has equal rights - for all, and one can no longer _ NOTE NO LONGER discriminate based on gender, colour, creed, disability. So women are included in that because at the turn of the 20th century women were classified as NON persons. How nice we are finally "persons" under the law.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78
What you deem as "special rights" is a correction of centuries of NON rights.
So, this generation will feel the impact, but let us hope the next generation will be equal in roles or opportunities.
When congress, senate or house of commons has 50% women, equality will probably be achieved.
When we have equal number of men raising children fulltime as women, equality might (MIGHT) be achieved.
I say "MIGHT" because those are not the only factors that represent equality.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 You've just acknowledged that women currently have special rights and that this inequality is in need of correction. Also, your concept of equality is one that would disregard freedom of choice. Men and women typically make different choices, when it comes to career and family. You apparently would disregard those personal choices to achieve the numbers you require to satisfy your criteria for equality. You are a fascist.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
Modern feminism? The definition of feminism is the same today as yesterday.
Name those SPECIAL rights women have in Canada. Seeing as you are Canadian. Lets hear them.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 As you've said, 500 charecters is limiting. Her are a couple of minor examples, to wet your appetite:
* Females can be searched by only another female with strict regard to privacy and decency.—(Sec.51, Cr.P.C)
* When a female is arrested for a non-bailable offense, even if the offense is very serious (punishable by death penalty even), the court can release her on bail. —(Sec.437, Cr. P.C)
For more on inequality in Canadian law, see Legalizing Misandry (Nathanson and Young)
boxa78 8 months ago
@coolwater55 I guess you haven't heard of first wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave feminism, post feminism or radical feminism either. It's amazing to me that you haven't died of embarrassment yet, on account of your exposed ignorance.
boxa78 8 months ago
Who denied you a right to be educated and go for employment opportunities of your choice?
Who educated you in the art of marriage? because it means self sacrifice from both a man and woman and not lopsided efforts.
You could marry a career woman and stay to run a home and support her in that effort and raise children fulltime. Raise children in an exemplary way that YOU believe women should be doing.
You have many choices. There are NO laws restricting you.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 Inequalities in educational rights don't exist in the modern western world, thought one could make the argument for inequalities in access that discriminate against men (woman only grants, scholarships, counselling programs, title 9 "proportionality", etc.).
A stay home dad is still far less likely to win custody, or spousal support, after divorce. Men who choose to stay home do so at great personal risk. We don't facilitate the stay home parent option for men.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
quote your source.
1. No man is denied an education. Show us that information and then you have a point.
2. We had better do away with Athletic scholarships because most of those are geared for Men's sports.
2. Grant/scholarships? I have a BINDER full of grants and scholarships available in Canada for Male and female.
Qualifications and applications for scholarships or grant money is onerous and strict.
Perhaps you should do more research instead of biased sites.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55
1. This video is, in part, a report on how men are falling behind in academia. See Christina Hoff Sommers book, The War Against Boys, for a detailed breakdown of how discrimination against boys became public policy.
2. The fact that you would do away with athletic scholarships that provide access to education that would otherwise be unavailable to many people, just because many of those people happen to be male, once again shows what a hate-filled pig you are. Ref: your posts
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
Again, Christian Hoff has been discredited by the academic profession. So you continue to read highly biased tripe.
coolwater55 8 months ago
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boxa78 8 months ago
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@coolwater55 Again? This is the first time you made this claim, by my count. Discredited? She is still being invited to speak at universities and several of her speaking engagements are up on YouTube. How has she been discredited? Or, since you can't even get her name right, maybe you're just talking out your ass some more. That's about the level of honesty I'd expect from a femipig.
boxa78 8 months ago
@boxa78
She has been DISCREDITED by her colleagues. Did I specify when, where, why and how? most of her stuff is dribble and tripe and she has been discredited because she has specifically twisted context of what other women have said or the results of stats etc.
She is pretty much another ANN COULTER - but she has a different attack mode. She is out to MAKE money and notoriety, otherwise she would be much more honest in her research. She twists to make a name for herself.
coolwater55 8 months ago
So, Christina (ibid)!!!! is similar to ANN COULTER - who relishes media and shock statements.
Ann catering to male authority in regiemes, republicans for war - and men in general. She is a smoozer for men.
ie Ann women should not get the vote. She is sought after as a guest speaker because she is entertainment.
Christina on the other hand - has similar tactics, a bit more subtle. But when MRA is aligning with her? yes, she is selling books and "popular" with the women bashers.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@boxa78
UM< you are twisting and projecting things I NEVER said.
IN FACT, I stated I would like to see opportunities for men, women and children to be the BEST they can be.
I stated the Athletic scholarships - (on which I agree) because those are primarily male focused monies, grants. So you again are a hypocrit. I don't want to take money from them. They can have it and so can women.
It is YOU who want to take away from women, not I.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 "We had better do away with Athletic scholarships because most of those are geared for Men's sports." - your post. These are your words. I did not twist them. And barely 2 posts later you are contradicting yourself.
I want to take money away from women? I'm not sure I explicitly said this, but no matter - it's a childish straw man fallacy anyway.
boxa78 8 months ago
Men are NOT falling behind in Academia.
Check out University faculty rosters. Majority by a LARGE margin are male dominant in higher status - professorships comprise over 80% men. Women take on the instructor positions in higher numbers. lower pay, not because they are falling behind, but because MEN get chosen over and above women first.
Women are highly qualified in all areas. University faculties are directly correlated to that claim. . So Christian Hoff is spouting nonsense.
coolwater55 8 months ago
@coolwater55 You got her name wrong again, ass-talker.
boxa78 8 months ago
You curse and stomp your feet because you cannot refute my statements. Like a little boy in the sand b