Industrial Engineering

[sakber00]

มันคืออะไร ??

[mangaliewa]

@sakber00

มันคลายกับ mechanical engineer เเละ business

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[bdkock]

It all depends on where you do your degree. At my university (Ghent) it takes 5 years of which the first 3 semesters are common to all engineers (CE, EE, mech, chem, civil, ...) since it only includes mathematics and sciences. The next 3 semesters you must specialize in one of the traditional engineering degrees (so no IE yet). Then starting from the 4th year you can opt to do fulltime IE&OR of which most is mathematical modelling and systems engineering. Very applied, but almost no management!

[masterinex]

I always see the two terms Operation Research and Industrial Engineering together, what is the diference btw these 2 ?

[umrahsahab]

Oooo good question. Operations research is a tool IE's use. It is making mathematical models to help find the most effective way of doing things. That is a really nasty way of putting it but I dont know how else to word it. :(

[zdkrdh]

@masterinex: OR is a branch of IE. OR ir related with the solution of problems based on the scientific method and mathematical models. With OR you can solve logistics problems, make the rows in banks and theme parks more efficient, solve transport problems, maximize or minimize raw material quantities on operations, etc.

[zdkrdh]

To study and have a full scope of OR you need to know diferential equations (for modeling a problem), linear algebra and matrices. OR uses a lot the computer to solve problems, even microsoft Excel has a tool named Solver to deal with these kind of problems and there's a lot of Simulation software also.

[umrahsahab]

Continuing my extremely useless reply to engg3141. The enigeering management you are reffering to is only a small part of IE. It is like saying all mechanical engineers do is make cars. Also IE's work in ergonomics making sure a tool is easily handled and not a pain to use. To cap off, just cause nobody has a darn clue what we do, doesnt mean we dont do anything. Good day sir.....and God bless :)

[engg3141]

Yes your rant is extremely useless, you must have a lot of free time.

As for engineering management, look at the content of courses past the second year level and you'll find outside of the general engineering courses it is approximately 60 % or greater. There is useful information in these courses, it's just not engineering; it's management.

As for ergonomics, it's like marketing the way you described it. Unfortunately real enggs must consider cost, comfort, safety, AND functionality.

[umrahsahab]

How is manufacturing process, facilities design, robotics, and production control not Engineering. And you said making a tool easy to use is marketing? Yeah sure, then I want all things I use to be marketeds so they are easy to use

[engg3141]

A process does not have to be constructed by engineers. Indeed, many times they are created by non-engineers such as foreman or management.

Facilities design, IS engineering; however, all-too-often is it improperly applied. IEs are not trained in creating skids, designing lighting, structural, or mechanical support for facilities.  Yet they commonly take a course on Facilities and Planning. Please realize this course is about speed of operation and space optimization (interior decorating).

[engg3141]

As for robotics, IEs are no more skilled than the operators who are paid to use the robots. They were designed and built by EEs and MEs and IEs use them just like other non-educated workers.

Production control is engineering, you are right. However, they identify variability and THEN contact real enggs to fix their problems. Like I said, they are often the liason between engineers and management.

I don't know why you find it so hard to admit what you are. Can IEs work in engg roles? YES!

[umrahsahab]

Why are you so hard to argue with? I mean no matter what I say you just pop-back with some wierd made up crap. Good Lord, if you (eng3141) dont like Industrial Engineering than why on Earth are you watchin videos on it?.........Troll

[engg3141]

umrahsahab, I guess I'm hard to argue with because I actually have a case whereas you are representing the stereotypical IE which I have a problem with.

As for made up crap, I counter your points because YOU are the one introducing "made up crap." I only commented on two IE videos and now I'm responding to your rants and enjoyed a lengthy silence where we didn't fire back and forth.

Give some real arguments and I'll agree, but you're not doing that at all.

[umrahsahab]

I learn something new about IE all the time and almost everything is realted to designing/deciding. I dont know waht else to tell youu:)

[DanielCMM]

@engg3141 at the end of the day Industrial engineers get paid as much as EEs, MEs or Chem and even more.

[mattinha]

@engg3141 Clearly you don't know much about Industrial Engineering, for making such lies.

[jethjoyie]

fuckyou engg3141

[usufbacha]

engg3141

i would suggest before you comment or claim anything , better have info first.

no offence

[engg3141]

None taken. However, like I posted, your claims are not supported.

As for designing the whole system, this is so far from the truth it's laughable. They don't design the assembly line, they study variability in its operation. They don't design processes, they manage them. This is basic knowledge which all engineers are expected to know.

As for autocad and solidworks, they were used in my courses when I did my degrees. Nothing new there. There are better draftsmen out there for sure.

[usufbacha]

engg3141

"its not considered an engineer degree" how can you say this? just check out wickipedia or United States Labour Organization. What more its on top of their most highly paid engineers category.

Besides this what you have said about few seminars and your an industrial engineer.Universities offer PhDs in this discipline and you say few seminars??

And about the design, Industrial engineers dont design any part, they design the whole system through autocad solidworks etc

[engg3141]

usufbacha,

I've never heard of this wickipedia, sounds like a very valid source for information. Also, you should really click on some sources of those articles and realize that IEs are not considered professional engineers in many countries: Brazil for instance.

I also looked at the USLO and your information is incorrect sir. Please do not post lies because you cannot supply an argument.

As for offering PhDs, you do realize there are plenty of lousy degrees out there; don't you?

[mattinha]

@engg3141 I guess you won't answer me, right? You know you are very wrong and still say things without knowledge.

And also the government of USA made a study which industrial engineerings is one of the most paying jobs, specially when you have a doctorate. So please, do not continue with your ignorance.

IEs tend to be CEO of many, many companies, unlike others engineerings. Just go to wikipedia and search for 'Industrial Engineerings', you'll see many of those professionals being a CEO.

[engg3141]

mayamatz20, I went to school and have worked professionally with plenty of IEs. I know what they are taught and I have to say most of their courses are just like Business, common sense and should be just a few seminars.

They are not engineers. However, you're right they are not useless. They definitely have a place for their skills. The problem is they all-too-often misrepresent as experts in engineering fields when they, at best, know the bare minimum. This is fraudulent and dangerous.

[engg3141]

Wow it really makes IE sound good. Too bad it's all lies. Industrial engineers do not design anything. They do not have any domain-specific knowledge. They do not optimize machines.

Their skills are in engineering management, yet they always try to come across as computer savvy or mechanical engineers. In reality, they are useless. They are the cheapest form of engineers and, quite often, its not considered an engineer degree.

If you want to be a real engineer, choose something better.

[mayamatz20]

ahmm you've never tried to be an industrial engineer right? why say industrial engineer is useless? come on think twice before you speak ^_^

[umrahsahab]

Ummm osrry dude bu tyou could not be more wrong. Without IE's the other Engineers would be utterly helpless. A mechanical engineer may make a car, but as far as setting up the manufacturing line to amke that car, well that is an Ie's job. At Disney you will see IE's making decision about how checkout counters should be at a hotel and how lines shoudl be designed. Not to mention hospital's use IE's to make operations faster and more effective.

[engg3141]

Utterly useless, eh? That's why civilization or technology only appeared in the past 25 years or so since IE began. Civil, Mechanical, Chemical, and Electrical and all the subsets were doing just fine and continue to excel.

Again you're really trying to make this into a hate battle when it's not. I don't hate IE. I would hire IEs. I just can't stand when this discipline so often misrepresents itself. It's fundamentally wrong.

FYI you can have a business degree and still be considered IE.

[vankalman]

really informative, thanks for posting