What if he gave one doctrine that he disagreed with and it was updated by the governing Body the next week and said to be New Light?Their questions are foolish and conditional.
0;35 "You already have a mindset. And that mindset that you have is not acceptable to us"
Prejudging. Why not slip on horsehair wigs, cut to it, && pronounce themselves judges who've judged already. 'We've judged you but going through these mickey-mouse motions'
"Is it not acceptable to the 'elders' who are on the sex offenders register also.?"
___
"We don't need to get into any of these definitions of what it appears, why it appeared that way"
Why should these cult leaders care if this is recorded or not? Unless they are acting in a vile cruel way that defintely does not align itself with the Holy Wod of God. This is very close to nazi tatics not dealing with someone in Love as the Word of God tells us we should act. These men were no more representives of God then adolf hilter was. This is destable actions but i excpect a cult to act like this. JW'S ARE A CULT PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
Lets see what words aren't in the Bible, New Light, God's Organization, Paradise Earth, 1914, God's Memorial Tomb, Invisible Return, Spiritual Resurrection, Latin form of the Tetragrammaton Jehovah... Not one of these are in the Bible yet are unquestionable to Watchtower doctrine! I love these strawman arguments of the Watchtower when it works against them more than for them. There is not one stone they can throw that wouldn't merit at least three coming back at them.
This is exactly the same as the inquisitions that the WTBTS bring up to object against historical Christianity. The only difference is that they haven't tied him down to a rack to stretch him until he agrees through pain instead they hold the threat of separating him permanantly from his friends and family. I wonder which is more cruel the rack or separation?
One doctrine that Jehovah's Witnesses adhere to based on the Bible that many Jehovah's Witnesses I have debated and spoken with have a problem with is Jesus being Michael the Arch Angel. Jehovah's Witnesses tell me do you believe absolutely that Jesus is Michael the Arch Angel? If not you are an apostate of the WTBTS according to its strict standard of adherance!
@Dcdatruth85 "That elder just completely put him in his place. Plus the fact he lied about having a recorder."
You wouldn't be talking if he didn't have a recorder. 'Elder', stupid erroneous word for a "legal corp", && should always be put in parenthesis as the very assumption is wrong. The 'elder' didnt put him in his place even tho' that was his fore intent. Quite the reverse in fact.
Hear the audio, they wanted specifics from him, but they hazed out mere thought of specifics from them.
You exposed yourself for what you are in your own vids, an Apostate. Your intentions were not sincere just as the elder said, they were correct as to your wicked motives. You went to the judicial hearing with the intent to debate with them against the Society calling them a cult because you clearly did not agree with their teachings. Your example is very much like the acct of Korah who came up against Moses and look what happened to him. Oh man I'd hate to be in your shoes!!!!
There's a distinct difference between asking critical questions (which the Watchtower itself claims to invite - Watchtower 08/15/1950, p.263) and engaging in open rebellion.
Korah came to Moses in hostility with 250 men.
I came to a hearing of my own accord to speak with three older men in a windowless closed door backroom where both recording and observers are not permitted and tried to ask some basic questions of my inquisitors.
@IchthysGuy It is abundantly clear that the REAL "unforgivable sin," here, is to have real & DANGEROUS questions regarding the legitimacy of the Watchtower's claim to be "God's Chosen Channel" by which He leads His People. To question the Watchtower's power & authority is to be labeled "wicked," "like Korah," & as an "evil apostate" who must be thrown out of the congregation in order to "keep it CLEAN" from those who dare to question!!
@MrOnamision1 as a JW, u shouldn't even be reading this. u r here because DEEP DOWN u have questions and r afraid this fallacy is indeed NOT THE TRUTH!!! don't attack him because u r afraid to leave the ORGANIZATION!!! BTW, the Bible NEVER points to an organization. how ARROGANY JWs are!!! AND HOW DISHOINEST. ASK THEM Y THEY HELP MOLESTERS HIDE FROM THE LAW? don't take my word for it - google it. they have paid some HUGE settlements... if they were false allegations, why pay?
@MrOnamision1 So, the committee of imperfect men can say whatever they want, but the one "on trial" is showing "wicked motives" because you believe that he "intentionally" went to "debate" with the elders?? You bring up "Korah," because the WTBS uses this drama nearly every summer to "remind" the JWs that they'd better "show respect" for the leaders, be completely loyal, & shut up & obey. The elders are ignoring the Biblical points completely, while labeling this man "apostate" for his stand.
@MrOnamision1 If you agree with everything they say 100% you have good intentions. But if you ask probing questions, no matter how honest your intentions are, this is what you get if you fail to see it the Watchtowers way. Jehovah's Witness are not the problem, they are victims. The Watchtower Bible and Tract society is the problem. They systematically tell you what to believe, and if you don't, you are apostate. Doesn't matter what the bible can prove, only that the WTS is right.
@MrOnamision1 Boloney....the elders are blind and have blind followers....blind leading the blind.
The WT has been sussed out. Remain as this organization!!!! Things he disagrees with?????
They make a doctrine....make everyone believe it....those who don't, get dis-fellowshipped...then when the WT changes it's doctrine do they apologise to those DF ones...never...
WTBTS do not follow scripture go to the whole congregation for example!
i can't stop listening this .this is awesome ,they were in no way prepared for you,i dont know who that main elder is ,or thinks he is but he sounds like he just lost control of himself..telling people he hates u n shit..WTF? wow!! i mean just amazing ..you made my week bro..thankyou..
told by an elder, I was an apostate, visiting apostate websites when I quiried JW UN connection: told him I had visited the UN website, read a Guardian Newspaper article concerning it, and it was a shame that ordinary members of the congregation weren't allowed to know the actual 'truth'. Russel's gravestone, Masonic symbolism in JW literature, 50,000 + cases of abuse, criminals dealt with 'in house', etc. 'By their fruits you will know them'? Lucifer; how clever: did we expect any less?
You had already made up your mind about what you want to believe. No witness is going to try and out argue anyone. We present what we believe, and if you want to accept it-do so. If not deny it and be done. But it is not our job as witnesses to "Adjust your thinking"
Elder: It says... Brothers, even though a man takes some false step before he's aware of it. You who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness. As you each keep an eye on yourself, for fear you also may be tempted. So... the reason we wanted to meet with you is to see if there's some way we can assist you... to be able to see things... uh clearly as to Jehovah's organization, the Watchtower Society [Indecipherable].
The whole purpose of the meeting according to the elders involved was exactly that. You're misunderstanding the context here. This isn't an argument with JWs at a door; this is a panel of elders trying to "adjust" my "thinking" (as they explicitly stated), and they didn't even attempt to do any such thing.
What if he gave one doctrine that he disagreed with and it was updated by the governing Body the next week and said to be New Light?Their questions are foolish and conditional.
bookwormaesthetcs 2 months ago
0;35 "You already have a mindset. And that mindset that you have is not acceptable to us"
Prejudging. Why not slip on horsehair wigs, cut to it, && pronounce themselves judges who've judged already. 'We've judged you but going through these mickey-mouse motions'
"Is it not acceptable to the 'elders' who are on the sex offenders register also.?"
___
"We don't need to get into any of these definitions of what it appears, why it appeared that way"
Get rid of UN membership card periphery.
De5O54 3 months ago in playlist More videos from IchthysGuy 3
Readjust your thinking....that jargon always made me laugh. I was just waiting for them to get out the tool box & wrenches.
999Atwood 4 months ago
Why should these cult leaders care if this is recorded or not? Unless they are acting in a vile cruel way that defintely does not align itself with the Holy Wod of God. This is very close to nazi tatics not dealing with someone in Love as the Word of God tells us we should act. These men were no more representives of God then adolf hilter was. This is destable actions but i excpect a cult to act like this. JW'S ARE A CULT PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
jlwohio 4 months ago
Lets see what words aren't in the Bible, New Light, God's Organization, Paradise Earth, 1914, God's Memorial Tomb, Invisible Return, Spiritual Resurrection, Latin form of the Tetragrammaton Jehovah... Not one of these are in the Bible yet are unquestionable to Watchtower doctrine! I love these strawman arguments of the Watchtower when it works against them more than for them. There is not one stone they can throw that wouldn't merit at least three coming back at them.
epidome 6 months ago
This is exactly the same as the inquisitions that the WTBTS bring up to object against historical Christianity. The only difference is that they haven't tied him down to a rack to stretch him until he agrees through pain instead they hold the threat of separating him permanantly from his friends and family. I wonder which is more cruel the rack or separation?
epidome 6 months ago
One doctrine that Jehovah's Witnesses adhere to based on the Bible that many Jehovah's Witnesses I have debated and spoken with have a problem with is Jesus being Michael the Arch Angel. Jehovah's Witnesses tell me do you believe absolutely that Jesus is Michael the Arch Angel? If not you are an apostate of the WTBTS according to its strict standard of adherance!
epidome 6 months ago
That elder just completely put him in his place. Plus the fact he lied about having a recorder you loose cool points already. We know his intentions.
Dcdatruth85 8 months ago
@Dcdatruth85 "We know his intentions... for we are the Borg; you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." ;-)
IchthysGuy 8 months ago 4
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@Dcdatruth85 "That elder just completely put him in his place. Plus the fact he lied about having a recorder."
You wouldn't be talking if he didn't have a recorder. 'Elder', stupid erroneous word for a "legal corp", && should always be put in parenthesis as the very assumption is wrong. The 'elder' didnt put him in his place even tho' that was his fore intent. Quite the reverse in fact.
Hear the audio, they wanted specifics from him, but they hazed out mere thought of specifics from them.
De5O54 3 months ago in playlist More videos from IchthysGuy
"Why can't you answer his questions?"
Absolutely a crowning moment in this part.
laflugantabastardo 9 months ago
Define Apostate according to the Bible not tradition or doctrine of men....CULT CULT CULT
lylee206 1 year ago
cult!
ilsretail 1 year ago
This is awsome! I so wish I would have recorded my judical meeting/.
foragoodreason 1 year ago
You exposed yourself for what you are in your own vids, an Apostate. Your intentions were not sincere just as the elder said, they were correct as to your wicked motives. You went to the judicial hearing with the intent to debate with them against the Society calling them a cult because you clearly did not agree with their teachings. Your example is very much like the acct of Korah who came up against Moses and look what happened to him. Oh man I'd hate to be in your shoes!!!!
MrOnamision1 2 years ago
There's a distinct difference between asking critical questions (which the Watchtower itself claims to invite - Watchtower 08/15/1950, p.263) and engaging in open rebellion.
Korah came to Moses in hostility with 250 men.
I came to a hearing of my own accord to speak with three older men in a windowless closed door backroom where both recording and observers are not permitted and tried to ask some basic questions of my inquisitors.
Is it really that hard to see the difference?
IchthysGuy 1 year ago 4
@IchthysGuy It is abundantly clear that the REAL "unforgivable sin," here, is to have real & DANGEROUS questions regarding the legitimacy of the Watchtower's claim to be "God's Chosen Channel" by which He leads His People. To question the Watchtower's power & authority is to be labeled "wicked," "like Korah," & as an "evil apostate" who must be thrown out of the congregation in order to "keep it CLEAN" from those who dare to question!!
1955annemarie 10 months ago
@IchthysGuy your grandfather? what's your grand-father got to do with this?????
girlznguitarz 5 months ago
Readjusted to the LIES of the WTBS
girlznguitarz 5 months ago
@MrOnamision1 as a JW, u shouldn't even be reading this. u r here because DEEP DOWN u have questions and r afraid this fallacy is indeed NOT THE TRUTH!!! don't attack him because u r afraid to leave the ORGANIZATION!!! BTW, the Bible NEVER points to an organization. how ARROGANY JWs are!!! AND HOW DISHOINEST. ASK THEM Y THEY HELP MOLESTERS HIDE FROM THE LAW? don't take my word for it - google it. they have paid some HUGE settlements... if they were false allegations, why pay?
torinich1 11 months ago
@torinich1
Could you stop making the rest of us bad, please?
laflugantabastardo 9 months ago
@MrOnamision1 So, the committee of imperfect men can say whatever they want, but the one "on trial" is showing "wicked motives" because you believe that he "intentionally" went to "debate" with the elders?? You bring up "Korah," because the WTBS uses this drama nearly every summer to "remind" the JWs that they'd better "show respect" for the leaders, be completely loyal, & shut up & obey. The elders are ignoring the Biblical points completely, while labeling this man "apostate" for his stand.
1955annemarie 10 months ago
@MrOnamision1 If you agree with everything they say 100% you have good intentions. But if you ask probing questions, no matter how honest your intentions are, this is what you get if you fail to see it the Watchtowers way. Jehovah's Witness are not the problem, they are victims. The Watchtower Bible and Tract society is the problem. They systematically tell you what to believe, and if you don't, you are apostate. Doesn't matter what the bible can prove, only that the WTS is right.
MickeySewBug 8 months ago
@MrOnamision1 Boloney....the elders are blind and have blind followers....blind leading the blind.
The WT has been sussed out. Remain as this organization!!!! Things he disagrees with?????
They make a doctrine....make everyone believe it....those who don't, get dis-fellowshipped...then when the WT changes it's doctrine do they apologise to those DF ones...never...
WTBTS do not follow scripture go to the whole congregation for example!
girlznguitarz 5 months ago
@MrOnamision1
I love how you wrote "apostate" with a capital A. Whooo, the big bad boogiemand Apostate! Be afraid!
laflugantabastardo 2 months ago
i can't stop listening this .this is awesome ,they were in no way prepared for you,i dont know who that main elder is ,or thinks he is but he sounds like he just lost control of himself..telling people he hates u n shit..WTF? wow!! i mean just amazing ..you made my week bro..thankyou..
reasoningwitchpower 2 years ago
@reasoningwitchpower You are certainly welcome, and thank you for your kind words :)
IchthysGuy 1 year ago 3
great job bro..LOL..you couldnt have done a better job ..i mean what could they say , damn you knocked it out the park ,much MUCH respect ...
reasoningwitchpower 2 years ago
told by an elder, I was an apostate, visiting apostate websites when I quiried JW UN connection: told him I had visited the UN website, read a Guardian Newspaper article concerning it, and it was a shame that ordinary members of the congregation weren't allowed to know the actual 'truth'. Russel's gravestone, Masonic symbolism in JW literature, 50,000 + cases of abuse, criminals dealt with 'in house', etc. 'By their fruits you will know them'? Lucifer; how clever: did we expect any less?
ccccffffable 2 years ago
You had already made up your mind about what you want to believe. No witness is going to try and out argue anyone. We present what we believe, and if you want to accept it-do so. If not deny it and be done. But it is not our job as witnesses to "Adjust your thinking"
truepridejb 2 years ago
[From the transcript]
Elder: It says... Brothers, even though a man takes some false step before he's aware of it. You who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness. As you each keep an eye on yourself, for fear you also may be tempted. So... the reason we wanted to meet with you is to see if there's some way we can assist you... to be able to see things... uh clearly as to Jehovah's organization, the Watchtower Society [Indecipherable].
IchthysGuy 2 years ago
The whole purpose of the meeting according to the elders involved was exactly that. You're misunderstanding the context here. This isn't an argument with JWs at a door; this is a panel of elders trying to "adjust" my "thinking" (as they explicitly stated), and they didn't even attempt to do any such thing.
Ever heard of the Inquisition?
IchthysGuy 2 years ago
lolwut? You didnt want any kind of readjustment, you wanted to try and disprove what we believe. but again, you only made youself look like a jackass
truepridejb 2 years ago
I'm always open to "readjustment". Just because I believe something at one time doesn't mean my beliefs can't change (obviously).
Are you open-minded enough to consider the possibility that the Watchtower organization is an apostate cult?
IchthysGuy 2 years ago