Stupor(or should that be stupid?)MundiUtriusque, are you unaware that Asia is a very big continent which has a multitude of musical traditions? To suggest that they are in any way inferior to German, or any other European tradition is absurd.
Is Italian music inferior to German? Or French, or Russian, or Czech?
I would suggest that your opinion is not based on any intelligent assessment of music, but on a general racist attitude which probably informs your opinions about everything.
What on earth does music have to do with race. Its transcends all that crap and all you people that argue about race and crap completely miss the beauty and all encompassing humanistic ties of music.
Furtwängler is simply the best. An Asian could never interpret German music correctly. They just copy. LangLang is horrible, just showing off, he should perform in a circus , not before music audiences.
@StuporMundiUtriusque I see that you come from Germany. You say that "An Asian could never interpret German music correctly." Where on earth did you get this idea from?
@Invisus944 Are Germans trying to play other people's music, or does everyone else try to play German music? Hmm... that's a hard one. Have you ever noticed how all the highest pinnacles of Composition, Orchestration, and Musicianship, have all come from ethnic Germans? A nation of 80 million Germans has done what 2.5+ billion asians could not.
@Bloodcage666 Asians will probably feel the exact same way about their own music. They should be entitled to. We also should not be against the possibility that an Asian could interpret Germanic music well.
With German music its not a matter of what they "did", so to speak. That degenerates Art into mere usage and the haggling after "newness". Rather, with art, it is a matter of who the Germanics were and may be again. One thing is certain--they were very great.
Thanks again, Asahina's Eroica with Deutsches Sym.Orc. Berlin (1989) also great!
About Celibidache; he's the only Maestro(among these four) I had attended his concert(1992), I love all his interpretation except Bruckner, although he also famous on it.
@MrAlgykcho I like Asahina very much. I will perhaps take it upon myself to put up a recording of his soon... I also think he does a great job with Beethoven, the Eroica in particular
@MrAlgykcho This Furtwängler recording is only of the 2nd movement. That's all there is unfortunately! I WOULD upload more high quality stereo recordings like some Asahina recordings (I do own the recording you speak of) but considering what youtube did to my Klemperer and Celibidache videos I'm very worried about how it will sound. The Furtwängler recordings are already low-fi so it's not as big of a loss. Also check out Asahina's recording with the Deutsches Symphonie Orchester Berlin...
@Invisus944 Didn't he record the entire symphony in '42? Or is this the only movement that was transferred to CD? By the way, I always understood that it was only this movement that was broadcasted upon HIlter's death, and E. H. Gombrich deciphered what that broadcast meant and told Churchill that Hitler was dead. But, when I googled this matter it stated in numerous sites that it was the SYMPHONY that was broadcasted. Go figure!
@Invisus944 Didn't he record the entire symphony in '42? Or is this the only movement that was transferred to CD? By the way, I always understood that it was only this movement that was broadcasted upon HIlter's death, and E. H. Gombrich deciphered what that broadcast meant and told Churchill that Hitler was dead. But, when I googled this matter it stated in numerous sites that it was the SYMPHONY that was broadcasted. Go figure!
This is the best recording ever of this beautiful piece. Furtwängler managed to bring it to new heights... All other versions pale before this, evem his own 1951 Rome recording.
This is the best recording ever of this beautiful piece. Furtwängler managed to bring it to new heights... All other versions pale before this, evem his own 1951 Rome recording.
Niesamowite przezycie - ten czlowiek urodzil sie by dac ludzkosci odczuc piekno muzyki . Byl najwiekszym , najlepszym dyrygentem wszech czasow.Szkoda ze tak okropnie potraktowany przez amerykanow po II wijnie swiatowej.
Ask yourself Why people had to emigrate to Germany and Austria to get educated and be able to compose with the quality of Wagner, Bruckner, Mahler, etc, it never happen in the same way in other part of the world. They had a CULTURE dedicated to arts that is why!!!
The same way to compose music like this the artist must be immerse in sam kind of cultural environment, the same happen with the instrumentalists.
To play really long frases and sustain the tension and the color the musician must have a long training with a specific technique. Remember what Baremboim said about Toscanini playing with angular technique because he use to play with amateur orchestras.
This interpretation has a feeling of the monumental about it. I also love the performance of this piece as conducted by the great Eugen Jochum just months before his death. By the way, Furtwangler was also a really gifted pianist and accompanist! I think that to mention Hitler's funeral in connection with this lovely music is somehow to debase and defile it! Let's instead consider this to be a threnody for ALL victims of the Holocaust - some 11 million souls. :-(
Eerie to know that as this music was being played for Hitler's funeral, Jews were being annihilated. Perhaps this is fitting music for their passing too.
@stickershomeplus As we will see soon america is as brainwashed as Hitler's Germany. It won't be evident until things get as bad as the German great depression. The music has nothing to do with fascisim, communisim or
capitalisim, all the devil's devices to divide and destroy.
One of the most nobelest examples of Bruckner's music. The use of Wagner Tuben in this peice is exemplary of Bruckner's tribute to his (in Bruckner's reality) mentor, Richard Wagner. Mahler's work, reminds me more of Brahms. more stark and analytical, than lush and emotional. I cannot comprehend why Toscanini did not conduct Bruckner either the two sound so diametrically opposed. in style and construction.
Despite of that fact this is one of the best recordings made. Never understood why Toscanini refused to conduct any piece written by Bruckner. Maybe because it reminded him of another composer Gustav Mahler.
Thank you for posting! I don't mean anything bad about it. I just want to share this informaiton. For me, Furtwangler is one of the most tragic genius in the 20th century.
Bruckner composed the adagio as funeral music for Richard Wagner. It was not played at that occasion and became Hitler's death music. Many people in Germany still remember that they had to listen to this on the radio all day on the first of May 1945. The music is great enough to have survived even that.
@mingweicello - I had always found that funny in a sad way. A truly pious and humble man and genius like Bruckner would've no doubt been horrified beyond belief that arguably the greatest monster who ever lived was eulogized by one of his greatest achievements. Bruckner would've been repulsed at Hitler's pretensions at being an artist himself, let alone his infinitely worse crimes vs humanity.
When you hear this, you're supposed to mourn for the death of Wagner. ;-)
Zarathustra799 1 month ago
nathalie
GA4N 2 months ago
LA MUERTE DE UN PESAR, DE UNA ALUCINACIÓN, DE UNA TRANSFIGURACIÓN, MUERAN TODOS LOS FASCISTAS INCLUIDOS EL IMPERIO NORTEAMERICANO.
ELDANIELS2791 2 months ago
After the death of ADOLF HITLER a GERMAN radiostation plays exact this piece of musik!!.............no comment
vitaminrprojekt 4 months ago
Stupor(or should that be stupid?)MundiUtriusque, are you unaware that Asia is a very big continent which has a multitude of musical traditions? To suggest that they are in any way inferior to German, or any other European tradition is absurd.
Is Italian music inferior to German? Or French, or Russian, or Czech?
I would suggest that your opinion is not based on any intelligent assessment of music, but on a general racist attitude which probably informs your opinions about everything.
eastwood1941 4 months ago 2
Steve Jobs died. And this particular movement came up to my mind.
yenhoho 5 months ago
What on earth does music have to do with race. Its transcends all that crap and all you people that argue about race and crap completely miss the beauty and all encompassing humanistic ties of music.
TheGerman6th 8 months ago
Asahina`s interpretations of Bruckner are among the best, but Furtwängler`s recordings will be unsurpassed for ever.
stomatophylax 8 months ago
Great interpretation. Bruckner's slow movements are as great as Beethoven's.
lewars1912 10 months ago
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zsinet3 10 months ago
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zsinet3 10 months ago
Furtwängler is simply the best. An Asian could never interpret German music correctly. They just copy. LangLang is horrible, just showing off, he should perform in a circus , not before music audiences.
StuporMundiUtriusque 11 months ago
@StuporMundiUtriusque I see that you come from Germany. You say that "An Asian could never interpret German music correctly." Where on earth did you get this idea from?
lewars1912 10 months ago
@StuporMundiUtriusque And Germans can't interpret any music but their own.
Invisus944 8 months ago
@Invisus944 Are Germans trying to play other people's music, or does everyone else try to play German music? Hmm... that's a hard one. Have you ever noticed how all the highest pinnacles of Composition, Orchestration, and Musicianship, have all come from ethnic Germans? A nation of 80 million Germans has done what 2.5+ billion asians could not.
Bloodcage666 8 months ago
@Bloodcage666 Asians will probably feel the exact same way about their own music. They should be entitled to. We also should not be against the possibility that an Asian could interpret Germanic music well.
Invisus944 7 months ago 3
@Invisus944 and the others: Or should we stop arguing about such vanities, infertile considerations...
Wyndorel 7 months ago
@Bloodcage666 goddamn racist nazi
BlackOPSpots 5 months ago
@Bloodcage666
Have u ever noticed that all great sitar players are from india and the best jazz players are afro-americans?
There is a thing called culture.
Laughing7Buddha 3 months ago
@Laughing7Buddha
or race?
blimpy49 2 months ago
@Bloodcage666
With German music its not a matter of what they "did", so to speak. That degenerates Art into mere usage and the haggling after "newness". Rather, with art, it is a matter of who the Germanics were and may be again. One thing is certain--they were very great.
blimpy49 2 months ago
@StuporMundiUtriusque
WTF is wrong with u youtube users. Bruckner was Austrian. @Invisus Its a german orchestra playing Austrian music - so u are definitly wrong.
Laughing7Buddha 3 months ago
Bruckner y Furtwangler. GENIOS.
milinkovic10 1 year ago
Genio.
milinkovic10 1 year ago
One of my favorites!
tthorfinnn 1 year ago
Thanks again, Asahina's Eroica with Deutsches Sym.Orc. Berlin (1989) also great!
About Celibidache; he's the only Maestro(among these four) I had attended his concert(1992), I love all his interpretation except Bruckner, although he also famous on it.
MrAlgykcho 1 year ago
Wilhelm Furtwangler & Takashi Asahina, two best interpretator of Bruckner's symphonies.
MrAlgykcho 1 year ago
@MrAlgykcho I like Asahina very much. I will perhaps take it upon myself to put up a recording of his soon... I also think he does a great job with Beethoven, the Eroica in particular
Invisus944 1 year ago
@Invisus944 Totally agree! Asahina's Eroica is best!, especially the 2000 record.
Furtwangler's Bruckner 7 1942 seems better than 1951 which I have, can you upload more movement if possible? thanks.
MrAlgykcho 1 year ago
@MrAlgykcho This Furtwängler recording is only of the 2nd movement. That's all there is unfortunately! I WOULD upload more high quality stereo recordings like some Asahina recordings (I do own the recording you speak of) but considering what youtube did to my Klemperer and Celibidache videos I'm very worried about how it will sound. The Furtwängler recordings are already low-fi so it's not as big of a loss. Also check out Asahina's recording with the Deutsches Symphonie Orchester Berlin...
Invisus944 1 year ago
@Invisus944 Didn't he record the entire symphony in '42? Or is this the only movement that was transferred to CD? By the way, I always understood that it was only this movement that was broadcasted upon HIlter's death, and E. H. Gombrich deciphered what that broadcast meant and told Churchill that Hitler was dead. But, when I googled this matter it stated in numerous sites that it was the SYMPHONY that was broadcasted. Go figure!
kittydukakis 1 year ago
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@Invisus944 Didn't he record the entire symphony in '42? Or is this the only movement that was transferred to CD? By the way, I always understood that it was only this movement that was broadcasted upon HIlter's death, and E. H. Gombrich deciphered what that broadcast meant and told Churchill that Hitler was dead. But, when I googled this matter it stated in numerous sites that it was the SYMPHONY that was broadcasted. Go figure!
kittydukakis 1 year ago
@MrAlgykcho Don't forget Eugen Jochum.
muurtalo 1 year ago
@muurtalo Eugen Johum is no doubt a great Bruckner interpretater, only his N0.7 can compare with Furtwangler & Asahina, I like his N0.1 & N0.2 more.
MrAlgykcho 1 year ago
This is the best recording ever of this beautiful piece. Furtwängler managed to bring it to new heights... All other versions pale before this, evem his own 1951 Rome recording.
He was the last of the great conductors.
PY1KN 1 year ago
This is the best recording ever of this beautiful piece. Furtwängler managed to bring it to new heights... All other versions pale before this, evem his own 1951 Rome recording.
He was the last of the great conductors.
PY1KN 1 year ago
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PY1KN 1 year ago
wow, excellent set of discs !
themfromspace 1 year ago
Forever and ever Bruckner !!!!
emisordigital 1 year ago
telefunkin <3
ciiPower 1 year ago
Niesamowite przezycie - ten czlowiek urodzil sie by dac ludzkosci odczuc piekno muzyki . Byl najwiekszym , najlepszym dyrygentem wszech czasow.Szkoda ze tak okropnie potraktowany przez amerykanow po II wijnie swiatowej.
MrSlimJohn 1 year ago
Ask yourself Why people had to emigrate to Germany and Austria to get educated and be able to compose with the quality of Wagner, Bruckner, Mahler, etc, it never happen in the same way in other part of the world. They had a CULTURE dedicated to arts that is why!!!
ilbacioditosca 2 years ago
@ilbacioditosca The Holocaust never happened in the same way in other parts of the world either.
CharlesLed 1 year ago
The same way to compose music like this the artist must be immerse in sam kind of cultural environment, the same happen with the instrumentalists.
To play really long frases and sustain the tension and the color the musician must have a long training with a specific technique. Remember what Baremboim said about Toscanini playing with angular technique because he use to play with amateur orchestras.
ilbacioditosca 2 years ago
wonderful !
WatchBlueSkies 2 years ago
This interpretation has a feeling of the monumental about it. I also love the performance of this piece as conducted by the great Eugen Jochum just months before his death. By the way, Furtwangler was also a really gifted pianist and accompanist! I think that to mention Hitler's funeral in connection with this lovely music is somehow to debase and defile it! Let's instead consider this to be a threnody for ALL victims of the Holocaust - some 11 million souls. :-(
Noshirm 2 years ago 13
@Noshirm The whole of WW2 was a holocaust - some 60+ million people lost their lives, not just Jews and other victims of the Nazi camps.
marcusantonius90 7 months ago
@marcusantonius90 Specious reasoning with racist overtones...
Noshirm 7 months ago
Eerie to know that as this music was being played for Hitler's funeral, Jews were being annihilated. Perhaps this is fitting music for their passing too.
stickershomeplus 2 years ago 4
@stickershomeplus As we will see soon america is as brainwashed as Hitler's Germany. It won't be evident until things get as bad as the German great depression. The music has nothing to do with fascisim, communisim or
capitalisim, all the devil's devices to divide and destroy.
710scarletreaper 1 year ago
I think this association is perfect...cruel Hitler against Brukner's genius!!! Its perfect to understand...then I love more this movement!
Aloh83 2 years ago
why does no one upload any kabasta bruckner????
ijrupahsinosub 2 years ago
One of the most nobelest examples of Bruckner's music. The use of Wagner Tuben in this peice is exemplary of Bruckner's tribute to his (in Bruckner's reality) mentor, Richard Wagner. Mahler's work, reminds me more of Brahms. more stark and analytical, than lush and emotional. I cannot comprehend why Toscanini did not conduct Bruckner either the two sound so diametrically opposed. in style and construction.
78timothy 2 years ago 3
This is wonderful !! Furtwängler and Bruckner together It's the top of romantic music !!
petrof4056 3 years ago
Despite of that fact this is one of the best recordings made. Never understood why Toscanini refused to conduct any piece written by Bruckner. Maybe because it reminded him of another composer Gustav Mahler.
webxyz777 3 years ago 7
I think too
petrof4056 3 years ago
Toscanini did love, conduct and record works by Bruckner.
He was the one to introduce B7 to Italian audiences just months after Bruckner's death in 1897.
Also, there are 2 recorded performances of B7 in New York, 1935.
massawax 9 months ago
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this is the recording broadcasted through the world after the Germans announced the death of Hitler.
mingweicello 3 years ago 2
I know, but, not the real point of my posting of this recording
Invisus944 3 years ago 2
Thank you for posting! I don't mean anything bad about it. I just want to share this informaiton. For me, Furtwangler is one of the most tragic genius in the 20th century.
mingweicello 3 years ago
yes, and unfortunately of this association I can not enjoy this great music as much as I woul like!
FrancescoBorromini 2 years ago 2
Bruckner composed the adagio as funeral music for Richard Wagner. It was not played at that occasion and became Hitler's death music. Many people in Germany still remember that they had to listen to this on the radio all day on the first of May 1945. The music is great enough to have survived even that.
fj5a017 2 years ago 2
@fj5a017
Hitler wasn't worth so great and emotional a masterpiece...
mokacode 1 year ago 2
@mingweicello - I had always found that funny in a sad way. A truly pious and humble man and genius like Bruckner would've no doubt been horrified beyond belief that arguably the greatest monster who ever lived was eulogized by one of his greatest achievements. Bruckner would've been repulsed at Hitler's pretensions at being an artist himself, let alone his infinitely worse crimes vs humanity.
jcalli66 1 year ago 3
@mingweicello which is a tragic irony, considering how much Furtwangler was persecuted by the Nazi, or how much he hated Hitler.
sweetnessglyc 1 year ago