Earth Day: A Day Worth Celebrating? (part 3/5)

[TheRosa63]

why the increase in human quality of life is industrization, touche' this is why the elites of this world do not want third world to develope, it would make life longer and better. they have a eugenics called population reduction enviromental reasons is a cover they really want to rule the world and protect resource for themselves and their families, this is how I understand it, too many people requires to much to control and feed they consider most people as invaders of their property.

[freezzertime]

Dr. Keith Lockitch you've got to condense your thoughts. Make them more concise like Dr. Onkar Ghate.

[PalomarJack]

Like Earth Hour, I'm celebrating soviet dictator Vladimir Lenins birthday/Earth Day by using as much energy, electricity & fuel as I can afford. I'm leaving the refrigerator open while I make my sandwiches, lights on & turning on the headlights of both of my SUVs tonight for a couple of hours with engines running so the batteries don't die.

Just because I can.

And I don't care if there's a "Lennin Connection", they could change the date for that alone, other similar things get changed.

[justintempler]

"the enviorementalists are trying to cut off our use of energy"

No they are not, you're attacking a strawman. How about using solar wind and ocean thermal to produce renewable energy, you can use all those to produce a hydrogen green energy source that supports our industrial society.

[carveawoodeneye]

@justintempler the problem with you altruists is that your willing 2 kill people or lock them in a cage in the process of stealing from them 2 help unproductive people ,people, people that make bad decisions !! you should cut your self up and feed the meat 2 the hungry!!

[justintempler]

@carveawoodeneye too bad for you I'm not an altruist eh?

[Thill029]

@justintempler

"you can use all those to produce a hydrogen green energy source that supports our industrial society."

No, he debunks that argument in part 4 or 5 of this interview incase you didn't watch it.

Anyway, you're just using a very typical left-wing talking point here. Care to explain HOW we can support industry and life with those so-called "green" energy sources you talk about, and WHY, if these sources are efficient, has the market not gravitated toward them?

[justintempler]

@Thill029 If you bothered to read the comments on part 4, You'd see I addressed his "debunking" on the video where he makes that argument.

I'm neither typical, nor left wing. I'm just a little bit more educated about the current state of technology. I don't have my head buried in the sand.

The market is gravitating towards them and the Chinese are going to eat our lunch before we even get to the table.

[Thill029]

@justintempler

You have yet to provide a shred of evidence, nor did you successfuly debunk any of the arguments in the part 4. Those in the business of developing technology know a lot more than you, mr technology expert. And if they find a way of harnessing new, more efficient energy, they will do so without obama coercing people into investing in it.

[Thill029]

@justintempler

Also, your China argument is flawed. They don't have a free economy. You're saying it's OK for the US gov to manipulate/control the energy industry because China is doing it? Come on man...

[justintempler]

@Thill029 Go ahead and ignore what I'm saying. $20/barrel oil in 2002, $147 July 2008, $40 Dec 2008, and we're already back to $85 in the middle of a recession.

We're importing 2/3rds of the oil we use, adding a billion dollars a day to the trade defecit to pay for it, and fighting 2 wars to have the right to buy it.

We got oil company execs telling us we need to get off oil and find alternatives

watch?v=meIo6t6iK5w

What is YOUR solution? Get on your knees and pray?

[Thill029]

@justintempler

Your misunderstanding of the oil market is the problem here.

The best way to lower oil costs is to

1) remove the worldwide government monopolies that control the oil supply and create cartels. That also includes lifting oil exploration bans in the US.

What your side is trying to do is increase the control over oil supply and force people to switch to other methods by artifically increasing the oil prices.

[justintempler]

@Thill029 I'm sorry it's you that doesn't understand the oil market.

Most of the world's oil is owned by foreign governments and the only way you are going to get more oil from them is take them over at the point of a gun. Which country do you want to invade next? Venezuela? Iran? Nigeria?

We're already importing 2/3rds of our oil and you want to import more? You really are a genius aren't you?

[justintempler]

Here in the states all the easy to find oil is gone, everything else is either under permafrost, two miles of ocean, or trapped in tar sands, we will eventually get it but it'll be $200-$250 barrel oil.

Let's open up all areas for exploration? Did you bother to check what the availability is of drilling rigs is for offshore? For any oil that you are lucky enough to find it'll be 5-10 years before we see a drop of it.

[Thill029]

@justintempler

There is nothing wrong with freeing the oil market from governments and handing it over to the private sector. Most of that oil rightfully belongs to American entrepreneurs to begin with.

And you conveniently ignore the fact that the US has a huge amount of unexplored oil due to unjust bans on oil drilling thanks to your left wing environmentalist nuts.

[justintempler]

@Thill029 What about the American entrepreneurs inlvolved in the fishing and tourism industries off the coast of Louisiana. Are these the enviornmental nuts you are talking about? What about their rights?

So which American entrepreneurs are you giving these rights to? The multi-nationals? Last I looked BP (British Petroleum) wasn't an American company.

[Thill029]

@justintempler

Not sure why you are talking about the fisherman in Louisiana.

And if the original entrepreneurs are not american and if their countries aren't helping them retrieve the oil, or if it's not clear who owned what, that oil should still be given to the private sector, let people bid on it. Under no circumstances should it be nationalized.

You've yet to give an argument as to why oil drilling bans should not be lifted in the US.

[justintempler]

@Thill029 What about nationalized oil in other countries? Are you going to stick a gun in their faces and force them to sell it to you?

[Thill029]

@justintempler

"There's an 1800 square mile oil slick right now that is a threat to Louisiana's 2.4 billion dollar PER YEAR seafood industry"

So? That's their problem.

"You contradict yourself, how can they take bids for something they don't own?"

Fair enough. I don't really care about how the land is allocated as long as its done without coersion or theft.

cont...

[justintempler]

"you know they want to impose regulations that would just completely stifle economic production, economic development.."

Your argument fails, that's what they did in Sweden and their economy grew while our economy suffered without those regulations.

You don't put a price on energy, you put it on carbon. And if the USA can produce goods with a lower carbon footprint than China, their goods become more expensive which in turn brings manufacturing back to the USA creating wealth here..

[carveawoodeneye]

@justintempler so with higher government taxes and more expensive equipment 2 reduce carbon IT WILL BE CHEAPER 2 PRODUCE !! what the fuck are you talking about ? do you use solar and wind 2 run your a/c ? it's great if you want 2 use solar but dont point the government's gun @ me and tell me i HAVE 2!! i've looked into it i live in florida and can not run an ac off solar with the money i make!! it gets like 96 here with 100% humidity you will literally die of heat exhaustion w/ out ac!!

[justintempler]

@carveawoodeneye - Did I use the word tax? I said put a price on carbon. Did you ever heear of something called "cap and dividend"

We add a billion dollars a day of money we don't have for imported oil. We're also paying to fight 2 Mideast wars just for the right to have access to that oil. The gun is already pointed at your head and you don't even realize it.

[justintempler]

@justintempler I'm in Florida too. I know exactly hot hot it gets here.

I'm not talking about putting PV on your roof. I'm talking solar thermal and projects like the one off the coast of Maine. Ocean Energy Institute's project is about building wnd farms that produce electricity, potable water, and NH3 as a storage medium so you can run your air conditioner during off peak.

or something like StatOil's 315kw deepwater wind farm

watch?v=CNO1FltQ3yA

[Beethovens7th]

Great points, Dr. Lockitch. People who freak out over the so-called dangers of "climate change" COMPLETELY drop the context of the dangers of restraining industry. Whatever problems climate change might throw at us we will be able to deal with 100 times better with a capitalist society.

Climate change is a problem of man dealing with nature, and JUST LIKE any other problem of man dealing with nature, setting man and his mind free to produce is the solution.