@tpeasetiger Well personally, the reason why you've gotten more negative feedback and 73% thumbs down is because you're not thinking like a rational and logical person should. You use fallacies and psuedoscience to explain reality. Eventually the world will pass you by as we progress, learn more and evolve with the future. If you wish to stay in the middle ages, be my guest
@mikeyg789 I think the reason I have 73% thumbs down is because this video is probably attracting more attention from atheists who don't agree with me. If someone doesn't agree with me then I think they would give me a thumbs down. I mean, if you really think I'm not being logical tell me specifically how I am not being logical and how you are being more logical then me.
@tpeasetiger I literally have been telling you why you've been illogical, you just have to read it. I dont know what else to say, youre unwilling to listen to me so I'll leave you alone. Peace out.
@mikeyg789 To me, your line of thought sounds illogical. You haven't even addressed my statements before about multi dimensional beings and how both Einstein and Newton believed in some form of God to exist. All you've been drilling is that a belief in God is illogical and "pseudoscience." Science is the study of things we can observe. Science can't explain or discuss things we can't observe. Science solely relies on human beings ability to observe and judge.
@mikeyg789 Basically, I think it's kind of funny how science makes a lot of claims about things we cannot observe while really it can only make claims about things we can observe.
@tpeasetiger If God exists (which I've been advocating for, obviously), then he could be a being who cannot be observed by science. Just because he can't be observed does not mean he doesn't exist. I realize that you could take this statement and replace 'God' with anything else like Santa or Unicorns, but honestly the universe is so vast whose to say those entities don't exist in some far reach of space? And plus, Santa was a real person anyways (google it, I swear he was).
@tpeasetiger So that means you assert something absolute without absolute evidence of your god claim? You dont even understand Science if you think youre looking for absolute claims of something. Gravity isnt something thats absolute its something that we labeled to a thing and it would take something drastic to alter our knowledge of that....like Evolution....At this point you are just using flawed logic.
If you payed attention to the damn movie! Hawking says he doesn't want to take away your faith. But he has a simpler way to explain where everything came from. intelligence and education are two different things.
I don't know if there is a God or not and I don't know if science has all the answers either but I do know that I don't care because whatever created the universe lies in the past and in this verry moment the only thing that matters is now. All I'm saying is that if you don't think too much about it and concentrate on having a good life, it's enough to make you happy
@tpeasetiger Still havnt mentioned which god-tale your talking about..quick hypothetical..the great shmoobly wants you to believe in him or you go to kablaky for all time its true, i have a old book that says so..you dont even see the hypocrisy in using special pleading for your religion. The universe wasnt made, it always was, this is why i call you ignorant, you ignore basic evidence in cosmology with your b/s about things "having to be created" thats asinine, no good scientist says that
@mikeyg789 Personally, I believe in the Christian view of the nature of God. When it comes to the pure existence of God in general I believe that God does exist. Consider this: if we were to encounter 2 dimensional beings they wouldn't be able to perceive us in our 3 dimensionality. The only way they would be capable of perceiving us is when we interact with their world and even then they would perceive us as 2 dimensional.
@tpeasetiger I believe in a similar fashion to this, beings can exist that are extra dimensional. There can be beings that exist in dimensions that are above our own. God in particular is a being that would be in a dimension above our own. He can observe all dimensions that are lower to him. If we had the same dimensional understanding as he does then we would be him. We can only perceive him in ways that make sense to us.
@tpeasetiger Hence the ways in which he interacted with creation in the old testament, and in the ability to lower himself to a human incarnation. Now, thinking about this purely scientifically isn't it plausible to consider that beings can exist in dimensions such as 2D or higher than 4D?
@tpeasetiger And another thing. Both Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein believed that God existed. Their views on the nature of this God differed, but they believed in a God non-the-less. These two people are hardly considered pseudo scientists among the scholarly realm.
@tpeasetiger "Newton saw God as the masterful creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation.[11] Nevertheless he rejected Leibniz' thesis that God would necessarily make a perfect world which requires no intervention from the creator."
@tpeasetiger Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied due to his sometimes apparently ambiguous statements and writings on the subject. He believed in the God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal God, a belief which he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, and criticized atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility."[1]
@tpeasetiger And here's another thing: If you can accept that the universe did not need a creator then why is it difficult to accept that a creator does not need a creator?
@tpeasetiger I believe in a God in which when our understanding of the universe grows greater with the discovery of science my understanding of the vastness and infiniteness and power of God grows in tandem. The thing is, faith isn't just for what I don't understand. Faith to me is for what I do understand also. I have faith that what I understand is true and that it will remain true. I have faith that God is beyond some location or time.
@tpeasetiger I go to a Christian college. One of the classes we were required to take was a class about the Old Testament. In this class we learned about the culture of the time and the stories in the bible and so on. Our teacher stands by a statement that I agree with. The bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. I look to science to tell me how the universe works.
@mikeyg789 I mean, we study everything everyone else studies at colleges. We have a spectacular science department that is dedicated to Ken Olsen who is responsible for the way many of our computers function today. He built the first transistorized research computer. I mean, we probably use the same biology books as secular colleges. I mean, does it really become pseudoscience when you believe God exists in the context of this?
@tpeasetiger Life for the sake of life doesnt seem to cut it to you? then why even live? you sound pathetic. youre basically saying that without your invisible deity somewhere you'd kill yourself or kill others because you think you have no purpose without it. Thats insane, theres all sorts of reasons to live for the sake of being alive but for someone with no true moral compass like you it doesnt matter if theres no god because we would put you in jail for murder anyway, morals evolved
@mikeyg789 I find your comments to be honest but very rude. I mean, first off just because I believe in God and feel that purpose can only come from him does not mean that I am a selfish prick with no moral compass. I'm simply trying to understand how one finds purpose without the idea of a God. I also never claimed that I didn't believe humans were animals in the animal kingdom. If we weren't we'd be extremely different from the other life forms on this planet.
@tpeasetiger I didnt say that belief in god means youre a selfish prick, youre using a strawman to make your argument better. And if you believe you are an animal you also have to submit that Evolution is fact, which weeds out creationism, as I said, it is superfluous to explain things in the 21 century. Mythology was our first attempt at a lot of things and when it comes to explaining reality, Science wins.
@mikeyg789 Another thing. You define our purpose to be progress. What does that mean? Aiming to live longer in hopes to eventually live forever? I'd just like to get your definition of "progress" clear so we're on the same page. I would also appreciate patience. I am trying to be patient with all of my comments and I don't think being rude about the situation is progress. I view it as frustration manifesting itself in words.
@tpeasetiger Well yes, the idea is to live a much longer life and be able to stop sickness/illness/cancer/disease, etc. I mean cmon have you not thought about how much you could experience in 500 years or so of living? you wouldnt even want an afterlife after that kind of living. If you find a perfectly natural and scentifically inclinced argument my frustration, in what context? in the context that you dont care to live for the sake of being alive? yes, I dont like people who think like that.
@mikeyg789 Here's an issue with that kind of "progress." If we live 500 years or longer then how do we regulate that? That would have some serious moral implications. Population would increase. We wouldn't be able to feed everyone or house them. If people were to be able to live that long then regulations would have to be made as to who would be allowed or even if we are allowed to have children. It'd become a huge mess in my opinion. Unless of course we expand to space and other planets.
@tpeasetiger your progress speech shows me your religion has retarded your imagintion, its so primitive that you cant fathom we'd be traveling space and be going off to other earth like planets so if there was a population problem.as if you could really call a lot of people a problem..its not to get rid of those people but to expand..moral implications to living longer..thats the stupidest thing youve said yet. thats like ppl in ancient times saying "living to be 100 can have moral problems" lol
@mikeyg789 If you could avoid insulting me in such a rude manner I think we'd be able to have a more civil dialog. I am attempting to respect others views as best I can, and I claim multiple times that if my views are offensive I apologize for offending people. I'm not trying to be some sort of internet troll, I just am seeking honest dialog in order to further this discussion. So, I'd appreciate it if you could avoid calling me names. I won't call you names even if you call me names.
@tpeasetiger Sorry you got offended but could you answer the questions? you have to know youre going to offend people who actually payed attention in 9th grade science class for example, so its hard to feel bad when I think I was pretty mild about some of the outlandish things you were saying.
@mikeyg789 I would also like to say, as a final statement, that I'm not trying to be some sort of self righteous person. I know that I am flawed and that I'm not perfect. I'm just attempting to, as I said before, open the floor to further this dialog on God and purpose.
@mikeyg789 When I see that I know that no matter how far we reach or how much we come to understand God is still the source for it and scientific discoveries not only broaden our understanding of the universe they broaden our understanding of God. Let me simply pose this as a theoretical statement. If God exists and created the universe then he is a master of all things as we know them. He's something greater then just a being.
@tpeasetiger I'm someone who believes science and religion can coexist and I think it's ignorant to not think that. Nothing to me in science disproves God. Granted, at this time, nothing proves him either. I can't convince you he exists and you can't convince me he doesn't. The only way either of us can accept either view is if we choose to.
While im an atheist I still totally understand what you are feeling. Its a scary theory that Mr.Hawkings shows us, it kinda makes you feel like Neo when he discovered what the Matrix actually was. We might be insignificant, we might have no purpose and every sign of human existence eventually will vanish but you cant keep this in your head, its unhealthy. Too bad Mr.Hawkings doesnt offer a blue pill.
@xanatospr Very true. My question is out of essentially concern for Athiests. How do you live with that "Truth" as you see it? Because from my perspective it leads to purposelessness. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
@xanatospr Also, in light of that, it makes it apparent to me a plausible dilemma and atheist may come across with this realization. What is concrete? What is real? And what is worth living and dying for in light of having no inherent purpose, but rather a self created purpose. How do you give meaning to something that is inherently meaningless and what is that meaning essentially worth? I guess in a way my video may be an apparent attack, but I intend it to be more of a concern.
@doldol1 I don't understand how you can live with that and have it not disturb you. If there is no purpose then what drives you to live? Self created purpose? By this design purpose becomes a counterpart to living. Instead of life being about purpose, purpose overlays the reality of life. If you view life as purely biological then purpose shifts from the foundation or answer to this question, to rather an overlay, or coping mechanism.
@tpeasetiger So, if we create purpose to cope then what are we trying to cope with and is our "self created" purpose strong enough to help us cope with it? In this case purpose follows a logical chain. Purpose is created by us, and we are subject to the reality of life. If God doesn't exist and there is no afterlife eventually every substance of your identity and "purpose" will eventually cease to exist. This is why I'm disturbed.
@tpeasetiger I mean, this means purpose becomes a lie people tell themselves so they can sleep at night. It's an excuse much like you believe religion is an excuse. Athiests fight against religion because they want to fight against disillusionment. If this is the case, any sense of purpose is a part of that disillusionment. I mean, how do you avoid becoming completely nihilistic while being completely true to what you are claiming is reality?
He exists in everyones mind, wether you are a believer or not.
Just having a opinion about god makes him exist.
Quanta psychics tell us that everything is, and everything is nothing.
It is humankind that tries giving meaning and names for everything that is and is not.
The bad part is that human-kind has the intellect to twist our so called purposes, logics into something for their own benefit, such as fighting wars of religions.
@SkyEuphy The bible claims God made us in his image, but that doesn't mean God was made in our image. From a biblical standpoint I would say we've departed from God. I also view sin as anything that turns our focus towards inward and selfish desires. The two greatest commandments are love God and love neighbor. Every 'commandment' can be broken down into something that goes against the nature of these commandments.
@tpeasetiger It may be easy to assume from this that God is tyrannical or just as much of a mess as we are, but Christianity views God as a being who is perfectly just, perfect in love and a perfect master of all creation.
Something really bothers me though . . . When a group of non-believers question gods existence, the believers defend and cast away what the non-believers think but when a group of believers do their normal thing like preaching to their God, you don't see non-believers bitching about it . . . So I don't question about God's existence that's not my point, my point is, why do those who believe in God disrespect what others believe . . .
@JeanAlexSS I'm not trying to disrespect what others believe, I'm just trying to understand it better. Basically, how can you live with the fact that purpose just becomes a coping mechanism if it is not inherent?
@tpeasetiger How can you live with that? It's like the matrix. Once you know what do you do? Do you keep lying to yourself or do you change the way you live? Or do you even keep living? I mean, if you view it like this I hardly think purpose is valuable anymore. What makes it valuable? Is it valuable? Clearly it must be if we keep living. If it isn't then we live for an empty cause. That's what disturbs me and why I worry as someone who believes in God.
@tpeasetiger I worry for those who don't believe in God and I would like to know further why they believe what they believe. It's also something I can learn from. If someone can find value in their life amidst this knowledge then I listen, compare it to what I believe and choose to apply it to myself in a way that is compatible with what I believe. It can make me a stronger human being.
@ggccgcg you perceive to be you because sound waves are at the right level.we are intelligent matter thats all .who says there is not matter which has conquered space and time .because the universe is matter and we can not say if there is a 100% no higher being because he may not live in our time and space matter anti matter dark matter energy are way beyond our intelligence so stop trying to make out we have solved anything they are theories thats all ggccgcg.
@ggccgcg I think a lot about these issues actually, and I believe that I think about them intelligently. I apologize for offending you by believing in God. I would appreciate it if you produced an intelligent response instead of simply saying I am brain damaged and a 'fucking moron' as you put it. My dilemma is understanding the nature of purpose. "Are we all lying to ourselves to cope?" is essentially my question.
Also, when you say, since i dont believe in a god, i just try and "Get though my day"? Are you a fucking retard? I dont just try and get through my day, I live my life to however i want, and i live it up as much as i can, because i know when i die, there is no eternal bliss, no eternal fire. Im not going to live forever, and neither are you. What i know is right here, right now is real, i feel it as real, i experience it as real, so while you sit there, praying to your god, I laugh at you.
@matthew646 so while you sit there, praying to your god, I laugh at you.
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Umm!
Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
How is that for YOUR "I laugh at you." and answer the question instead?!
@matthew646 You life your life and do what you want. But what do you want? Do you ever think of the bigger picture and wonder why you do what you do? Or do you just do it? Where's the value to your life? Without God all life is is birth and death and the things we do in-between in order to continue this cycle. Purpose becomes an illusion to make life easier to live. Doesn't that make sense as to why this can trouble me?
@tpeasetiger How do you try to seek truth in this way but avoid becoming nihilistic. If you can swallow that purpose is self perpetuated and has no intrinsic value based upon this then why attack people who believe in God? If you don't believe in God or purpose what do you believe in? If you don't believe in anything then why would you continue to want to live? If you say something is wonderful, then why is it wonderful? If you enjoy something, why do you enjoy it?
@tpeasetiger Because it makes you feel good? Why does it make you feel good? What is at the root of these things? Chemicals in our minds, sensory receptors. These things give us positive and negative responses in order to prompt us in knowing what is beneficial to continue living. But, without any reason to this process it becomes something fruitless and ruthless. You just live in the moment and try to ignore all that information.
@tpeasetiger Or the so called "truth" that each of us individually believes in. How do we know what is true and when we know it's true how are we supposed to live. Because I feel what we believe truly affects how we live. I'm trying to understand how people live with this perspective that purpose is self created when that in itself seems like a troubling paradoxical perspective. I may seem to be attacking, but I am only attempting to engage in debate to gain further perspective on the issue.
Right now i have only watched up to 2:30 in your video, and i literally dont want to watch any more of it. When are you going to take your fucking high and mighty ass off a pedestal and realise that we arent the soul centre of the Universe? Of course the big bang had no reason, we are the only reason why the universe is in existence. You cant be small minded enough to think that out of this MASSIVE space of millions of stars/planets, that we are the main reason it is all in existence. Idiot.
@matthew646 I'm not saying we are the reason for the universe. I never claimed that. I only claimed that a universe without a God is a purposeless universe. Personally, I don't think Christianity is supposed to be about pride in ourselves. Christianity is supposed to be about humility. I know I'm pressing on a pretty hot topic issue and that this video probably left a pretty bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
@tpeasetiger Personally, I think a more powerful way to view humanity is as dust. We are nothing at all without God. That doesn't mean that with God I become the center of the universe. When I attempt to take that place I make the biggest mistake humankind can ever make, and that's trying to be God. I don't want to be that prideful or selfish. Christianity views God as a being of perfect love. That means he loves us while we don't deserve his love. Unconditional love.
@tpeasetiger I believe that there can be life and is life beyond our planet with beings of equal, less or even greater intelligence than our own. I also believe that God is capable of loving these beings as much as he loves us. I mean, we are just a spec of the grand universe that I believe he created, and not in a second do I believe we hold some sort of privileged position above creation. If God loves he loves all that he made completely whether it loves him or not. Unconditional love.
What religion fears most is the question "Why?" cause the more it is asked the more the man made idea of a god becomes less and less real to their cause and thus creates fear, one proof is the idea that "All attempts of disproving god is a challenge of faith, not the reason of reality"
those people who did not believe in the existence of a God is A fool we human are created by God to do His will for example a cow eat the grass that you cannot eat the grass by your self because there is a chemical in the stomach of a cow that can digest grass but you can benefit from the cow because you can eat beef from cow you are benefited from grass trough the cow that is the purpose of grass to the cow and grass to you and our duty is to obey God for is purpose why He created us thank you
@mjboyofsanluisaurora I'm not saying there is no reason. I'm simply saying that without God then there is no true reason or purpose. Essentially, there is no answer to the question to why.
@tpeasetiger Purpose is a mindset, its not some sort of ordained feeling, its just something people labeled to a thing. You could say that without shmooblydon your life is meaningless but if you dont know what that is and it doesnt affect your life, its meaningless. The idea of god is superfluous in the 21st century, we dont need a quick-fix god story to explain the cosmos. If you dont put science over religiion then by all means stop using anything technological and move into a powerless hut.
Just because the big bang didnt have a purpose doesn't mean everything that it created doesn't have purpose. Also no really u have no reason for your belief in god or you cannot explain it... well that's because humans have a portion of their brain that effects your hippo-campus and many other portions of the brain that is being proven to conjure or plant religious feeling in your subconscious (its not as scary as it sounds or as complex... i don't mean its a implant by someone)
You watched the video and asking what's our purpose? its like out of the argument. The video just wants to answer "did god created the universe?"... Is the topic of the video is "did god created the universe for a purpose"?lol Stephen Hawking didn't tackled the argument in moralistic stand point so stop the yapping of asking what's our purpose.
@josephroy0204 From my perspective, purpose and God are linked. If you believe God doesn't exist your perspective on "purpose" will probably be drastically different from someone who believes he does exist. It's the next step up from this conclusion.
I don't think they said it came from nothing, the quantum particle fluctuations cause a reaction.When you boil water, the bubbles of steam may appear to come from nothing, but obviously the heat/energy caused the bubbles.
@tpeasetiger you will have to shoot an email to a particle physicist at Oxford or one of the better U.S. universities. I think some people need a very simple answer. I prefer the scientific method to explain the natural world. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a high school grad.
As many as these comments describe from below, you obviously have little to no knowledge of science and you are denying the evidence that is being displayed to you. You keep telling yourself that life needs a reason/purpose when it doesn't. We've proven this before, and you are ignoring the knowledge that is being presented to you.
If you want a more defiantly proof that the universe has a bigger understanding of its self than us, so it’s clear that something in smarter than us, be the universe or God, try to think of the next thing behind infinity, we know infinity because we need mathematics, you know 1…. (∞-1), ∞ but we never understand it because we can`t and I don`t think that anyone can, that’s why proud people will always trip when a problem or answer come close to the problem of infinity.
Purples comes from choice and choice from free will, if we didn’t have free will than our choice would be our purples and our needs no longer exist, this is clear!! And this is why, in partial I believe in and unknown God and let myself some questions not answered when it comes to philosophy.
there is nothing to understand yes we did create us self and the univers there is no purpos we have one life no afterlife as hawking says afterlife is a fairytale and sorry my english isent the best the univers dosent need any reason its just laws of nature and that is something thats unchangeble
There is no purpose. We humans decide what our purpose is. The universe is indifferent. 95% of all species are attacked and eaten alive by others. What is the purpose of that? Your video boils down to two points. I am special and have a purpose given to me by a god. I dont know, so god did it. ha ha ha ha. pathetic
I don't believe in God, but fucking hell I thought you were going to make a decent point about cause and effect but you summed it up yourself "I don't understand" therefore stfu.
And purpose? What was your purpose to make this video and to grow a douch stache.
awwww poor baby, u sad that you're not special?? is your self esteem so low that u have to have a supreme being to justify your existance, how sad are u? how about making others happy, ourselves happy, treat people and others good, and try to make your small part of your world better, thats about it, oh and reproduce is good too for the species, but just because u blieve in god doesn't mean he's in existance, and some of us don't need him to actually have a happy day, so u need him to be nice??
@crystaldragon19 I believe people can have a sense of purpose without God, but I am someone who probes the depths of reasoning. If you are going to help people and attempt to make the world a better place then I want to know why and what motivates you to do that. People say that Christians like to stop at God, but the thing is I keep pressing. God isn't just some sort of reason for existence. Faith in God is a conviction of truth and a seeking of knowledge.
@tpeasetiger I have room for doubt, I have room for seeking answers to lives questions. I don't just try to understand how the way things are, I am trying to seek why the way things are. I know that I want to make others happy and to treat others good. I know that. My question is why do I want to do that? Why do you want to do that? I want something that goes beyond the simple cycle of making life easier in order to make new life.
@tpeasetiger I don't want it to just be a part of an endless cycle of birth life and death. I mean, is it as simple as enjoying life as you live it? I mean, what does it amount to? I dunno, I just think that if I didn't believe in God it would be personally easier for me to become nihilistic, and I wonder how people who don't believe in God avoid that.
@tpeasetiger I mean, the thing is, I get so tender about life. I look at a living creature and it pains me to know the kind of suffering we must endure as living things. And it makes me want to cry because all I can think of is how we are all going to die. It's a personal fear I have. Death. I mean, it's terrifying to me. Think about it from your perspective. It's your consciousness. Your perception of reality.
@tpeasetiger You sleep and wake and throughout all of that you are absorbing information and processing it. What happens when you die? What happens to all you know and all you experienced? It scares the hell out of me. And it's not because I think I'm special or because I have a purpose. I yearn for a purpose. I yearn for more than just this life because something in the essence of my being says that this life is not enough.
@tpeasetiger I mean, it's a humbling thing to realize that everyone you know and every living creature you have encountered will cease to exist as you know it (whether they continue in another life or not). What's on that other side of death is what really terrifies me. I want to protect and help others because I deeply care about being able to offer some sort of comfort to those who are in this with me.
@tpeasetiger We are all in this together and life to me is so precious because it is so fragile. But the thing is, I need to have reason for that fragility. I need to have reason for life and death or else I think I'll just crumble under the pressure. I need something real, I need something powerful and I need something that satiates this desire in me. To me, that is God. I know that this isn't the answer for you, but for me it's not something I blindly follow. I need to know it's real.
@tpeasetiger You can view this however you like. You can view it as pathetic, you can view it as weak but for me I need something to make the struggle worth the struggle. Personally, life for the sake of life doesn't seem to cut it to me.
@tpeasetiger What happens to you when you die? what do you think? its called decomposition. You're anthropamorphizing your existance with a god to make your existence seem important when you are no different then any other animal that dies. I noticed the scientifically retarded religious people still dont acknowledge that they are primates that are a part of the animal kingdom for fuck sakes. First, get over your fear of death or you will live a shitty life of which you only get one of.
@tpeasetiger You just dont want to be part of the cycle? Youre so vapid and really sounding pathetic, maybe you should off yourself if you dont care to see others in the cycle flourish & survive, selfish prick. You clearly arnt a moral person & need to blanket forgive yourself for what an apathetic homo-sapien you are. At least I believe in evolving the human race so we live longer & progress. Im a transhumanist & I cant see how YOU couldnt be, the "purpose" as you would call it, is to PROGRESS
You are so amazingly unintellectual and numb to science that it's pretty obvious that youre a devout religious person that will always try to deny the evidence.
@mikeyg789 The thing is, I understand science answers the 'what' and 'how' about reality. I don't appreciate that you are saying I am unintellectual and numb to science. I would call that ignorant. I strive to understand not only the 'what' and 'how' about life but I attempt to answer a question that I feel science doesn't address and that is the 'why.' To say I am unintellectual and numb to science feels like an insult to me.
@tpeasetiger If you explain your reality with supernatural hogwash like souls/gods/miracles then you're ignorant, theres no way to put it lightly to you but you dont understand the scentific method if you believe in supernatural things. Congrats, there's a reason why 85% of Biologists are Atheists, b/c they understand the natural processes of the cosmos and can prove it. Its not some supernatural crap made up by uncultured, illiterate, arabs who thought the earth was flat for example among many.
Most of the morons commenting here can't get their heads around some really simple principles. Faith is belief without evidence. If you had evidence for the existence of god you would NOT need faith. Purpose is man made. The universe does not give a rats ass about your personal hopes and wishes. If you can't understand the basic principle of cause and effect and how it links to time, then don't bother hurting your head trying to philosophise.
The people who believe in God(I do as well) let us believe what we want to believe, but remember this. If we are right we wont have to worry about anything and we spend eternal life in paraidise while you burn for the rest of eternity. If YO
U(who dont believe in God) are right, notice nothing will happen to us and we still wont have anything to worry about. Go think that through.
@PoptartFail No, if you are wrong you have wasted every sunday going to church, supported a religion that has harassed gays for no reason, hidden priests that rape children, caused just about every war in human history and more importantly woken me up early on Saturday mornings when I'm hungover as hell and trying to bleat to me about jesus when all I want is a pie and a coke and for you to fuck off.
@PoptartFail you are diluted, we cant just let any old superstitions ruin the planet, if you cant see that religion is more harmful than atheism, look at muslims, they clearly want everyone to convert or die, and at one time it was the same for the christians, torture, rape, cannibalism, child molestation, genital mutilation were all fun and games in the dark ages. If there is enough evidence and proof against god, why should we let people be stupid? can you hoenstly say we should dumb ppl down?
Black holes are a mathematical construct that does not exist in reality. I know we have seen them in FICTIONAL works, like science fiction, yet black holes do not exist in the universe. They violate the very natural laws Hawking says he upholds. (See thermodynamics, basically the real natural world). If black holes as they are defined do not exist then Stephen Hawking’s work is fiction of the worst kind is masquerading as reality.
@sclausi30 No. We have solid evidence from astronomy to suggest that they exist. So far all spiral galaxies have been shown to have a black hole at the core. Please read up on the material before commenting.
@T1H0 I dunno how it makes life more fun to think that way. I'm trying to understand the reason people think that self made purpose can be meaningful. If our lives boil down to simply doing what we can to continue to live in order to make new life and then layered on top of that are all our self created reasons then our foundation is encyclical and without intrinsic purpose. There is no reason, and any reason we give is empty. If I were to believe this I couldn't live with myself.
@tpeasetiger Life becomes a cruel joke that reality has imposed upon us. The ones who submit to it are the ones who can live with it. How do you live with this reality? Do you lie to yourself or are you honest with yourself. And is it all a result of making life easier to live or not? It seems like this is the true question of belief or non belief.
I think Hawking is just spewing the same old atheistic religious dogma. There is no empirical evidence of this self creation and requires pure faith. Quantum mathematics is used, but has easily manipulated variables that are dangerous in the hands of religious zealots like Hawking and his cohorts (the faith requirement married with the emotional refusal to consider opposing views now qualifies atheism as a religion).
If everything had happened through accidents, with no meaning er purpose, why don't we all just think of yet ANOTHER super weapon and go nuke ourselves for fun? To me the thought of pure accidents is an illogical one...but that might be because I am just a stupid Christian who doesn't follow all of the rules of the ALMIGHTY RACE OF MAN. Such an almighty race thats drives their motorcycles off cliffs just to see if the gravity was working today.
No mention of consciousness, it was a joke! Science means observation, no one obsevered it lol God could be outside of time and then create time, after all isnt his place surposed to be eternal so time wouldnt be there.
Dude I dont care what you think. I not even gonna argue anything with you. There are many reasons some people cant accept the evidence supporting no god from being deluded to being brain washed. In time we will live in a world without religion and god and only then will we all live in peace and make great advances.
It is perfectly reasonable for the religious to argue that God was responsible for the big bang. It's a great explanation, and satisfies most parties, but the fact of the matter is that we will never be able to prove or disprove that claim.
The point you're making about our species manufacturing a purpose for being here is absolutely correct. We're here, we got here through a very, very complicated scientific process. We as a species will never, ever know whether or not physicist's and cosmologist's best guesses for the origins of our universe are correct or not. There is no sure way in our foreseeable future that we will ever be able to prove or disprove that.
purpose, hope, judgement, etc. are only human feelings.. you cannot also say or prove that bec of your hopelessness & selfish feelings therefore God exists. Cause and effect are only an intuition & man made. Human cannot understand "nothing" bec, our mind are evolved through cause & effect here on earth. So don't say God did it, you don't have evidence only feelings..
Considering the origin of the big bang as a single infinitesimally small, infinitesimally dense black hole-like entity in space: How can Mr Hawking say with such confidence that the universe is nothing? The universe either "is" or it "isn't". The universe is either a 0 or a 1. I can entertain the thought that the universe pops in and out of existance, much like the subatomic parts that constitute matter. What I cannot entertain is the thought that everything is a 0, instead of a 1.
Good vid... thanx for questioning ... quantum physics (string theory) is not a proven science it's still theory. The show is bassing its conclusion on the FACT that "sometime" things can come into being from nothing and then vanish into nothing. can this been shown 100% to be the case in the big bang or just another way to try and make sense of it. I also have an issue with the basic logic of time not existing before the big bang therefore neither did god to create it.
Your desire for a purposeful life isn't a sufficient argument against Hawking. Many people want an afterlife to exist, yet that is in no way evidence for one's existence.
your a fucking moron seriousopy the big bang sprung out of pur energy which has been proven to randomly transform into matter then fizzle out of existance and thats what happend there is not purpose or reason for anything... everything just is... and sorry to break it to you but your argument makes absolutley no sense............GOD IS JUST AN EXCUSE
@RyanDelena If that is the case, then any purpose you give yourself is an excuse as well. If your on the boat with the people who say purpose is what we make it and you believe God is a construct or an excuse, then wouldn't it be within reason to allow me to believe in my purpose if you feel it's alright for everyone else to believe in theirs?
@tpeasetiger "..."to allow me to believe in my purpose..."
Ummm, no. He, and you, are quite wrong in thinking that a belief that a fairy tale is real is a "purpose". It's a sickness. A mental disorder. A delusion. Like a belief in mind control rays. Allowing this delusion to continue is a disgrace to civilization. The delusion has been quite damaging in the past, and continues like some nefarious memetic virus. No... keep your delusions to yourself until you come up with actual evidence.
Where did the vacuum energy come from? And you say that everything just is. Well, what kind of explanation is that? Biological creatures just are, there is no explanation as to how they got there, they are just there. The universe as we see it just is, there is no explanation as to how it came into existence, it JUST IS? Sounds like an excuse if I ever heard one. Turn your skepticism on yourself, it would do you some good. You just might get some critical thinking skills out of it.
It goes deeper than just creating purpose. It's a psychological trick to redefine purpose. To me it is obvious that we were created to experience. But because of that, we are forced to take responsibility for our actions. Our actions have natural consequences. In this atheistic view, this baseless metaphysics that popular science is trying to push, purpose can now be redefined how we choose. You realize the fallacy of that. Others would rather embrace it so that they can avoid responsibility.
@RyanDelena I am satisfied with everything that Stephen Hawking has layed out as far as our universe, but there is a theory of our universe being just a bubble in a giant sponge of other universes. Not to mention that these other universes might follow a whole other set of rules of which time might not be one of these rules. On top of this there are more than just 4 dementions in our own universe theoretically.
@BalisticsStudio Do these other dimensions not exist at the beginning just because time does not. Could other dimensions play a role. I guess what i'm trying to say is that there are other questions that need to be asked.
@RyanDelena why insult him he has some good points .just remember its not a 100% there is no god im a atheist but dont insult its a human beings right to question .even atheist have a bit of faith .you deluded i hope you burn up all your natural gases explode and turn in on your self turn into a supernova then in to a black hole .or you get zapped by gammar rays from proxima centauri.
thats the reason why thay invented the stupid theory thay want to be thair own god
DrMegaGenius 1 month ago
nothing cant blow up
DrMegaGenius 1 month ago
hawking is bies
the big bang is unproven
DrMegaGenius 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Well personally, the reason why you've gotten more negative feedback and 73% thumbs down is because you're not thinking like a rational and logical person should. You use fallacies and psuedoscience to explain reality. Eventually the world will pass you by as we progress, learn more and evolve with the future. If you wish to stay in the middle ages, be my guest
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 I think the reason I have 73% thumbs down is because this video is probably attracting more attention from atheists who don't agree with me. If someone doesn't agree with me then I think they would give me a thumbs down. I mean, if you really think I'm not being logical tell me specifically how I am not being logical and how you are being more logical then me.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I literally have been telling you why you've been illogical, you just have to read it. I dont know what else to say, youre unwilling to listen to me so I'll leave you alone. Peace out.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 To me, your line of thought sounds illogical. You haven't even addressed my statements before about multi dimensional beings and how both Einstein and Newton believed in some form of God to exist. All you've been drilling is that a belief in God is illogical and "pseudoscience." Science is the study of things we can observe. Science can't explain or discuss things we can't observe. Science solely relies on human beings ability to observe and judge.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I'd appreciate it if you answered my questions instead of just telling me I'm illogical.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 Basically, I think it's kind of funny how science makes a lot of claims about things we cannot observe while really it can only make claims about things we can observe.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger If God exists (which I've been advocating for, obviously), then he could be a being who cannot be observed by science. Just because he can't be observed does not mean he doesn't exist. I realize that you could take this statement and replace 'God' with anything else like Santa or Unicorns, but honestly the universe is so vast whose to say those entities don't exist in some far reach of space? And plus, Santa was a real person anyways (google it, I swear he was).
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger His image has become inflated with magic and commercialism, but he was a real person. That's a little beside the point though.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger So that means you assert something absolute without absolute evidence of your god claim? You dont even understand Science if you think youre looking for absolute claims of something. Gravity isnt something thats absolute its something that we labeled to a thing and it would take something drastic to alter our knowledge of that....like Evolution....At this point you are just using flawed logic.
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If you payed attention to the damn movie! Hawking says he doesn't want to take away your faith. But he has a simpler way to explain where everything came from. intelligence and education are two different things.
dillinger9999 1 month ago
take some math classes and maybe you might understand!...
dillinger9999 1 month ago
I don't know if there is a God or not and I don't know if science has all the answers either but I do know that I don't care because whatever created the universe lies in the past and in this verry moment the only thing that matters is now. All I'm saying is that if you don't think too much about it and concentrate on having a good life, it's enough to make you happy
LondonKuzz 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Still havnt mentioned which god-tale your talking about..quick hypothetical..the great shmoobly wants you to believe in him or you go to kablaky for all time its true, i have a old book that says so..you dont even see the hypocrisy in using special pleading for your religion. The universe wasnt made, it always was, this is why i call you ignorant, you ignore basic evidence in cosmology with your b/s about things "having to be created" thats asinine, no good scientist says that
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 Personally, I believe in the Christian view of the nature of God. When it comes to the pure existence of God in general I believe that God does exist. Consider this: if we were to encounter 2 dimensional beings they wouldn't be able to perceive us in our 3 dimensionality. The only way they would be capable of perceiving us is when we interact with their world and even then they would perceive us as 2 dimensional.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I believe in a similar fashion to this, beings can exist that are extra dimensional. There can be beings that exist in dimensions that are above our own. God in particular is a being that would be in a dimension above our own. He can observe all dimensions that are lower to him. If we had the same dimensional understanding as he does then we would be him. We can only perceive him in ways that make sense to us.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Hence the ways in which he interacted with creation in the old testament, and in the ability to lower himself to a human incarnation. Now, thinking about this purely scientifically isn't it plausible to consider that beings can exist in dimensions such as 2D or higher than 4D?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger For refrence to this look up Dr. Quantum flatlands as well as "Another Earth: Other Worlds & Higher Dimensional Beings."
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger For the second reference look for part 2 around 4 minutes. Extra dimensional life can be accommodated by string theory.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger And another thing. Both Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein believed that God existed. Their views on the nature of this God differed, but they believed in a God non-the-less. These two people are hardly considered pseudo scientists among the scholarly realm.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger "Newton saw God as the masterful creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation.[11] Nevertheless he rejected Leibniz' thesis that God would necessarily make a perfect world which requires no intervention from the creator."
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied due to his sometimes apparently ambiguous statements and writings on the subject. He believed in the God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal God, a belief which he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, and criticized atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility."[1]
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I got both of those quotes form wikipedia just for reference sake.
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mikeyg789 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger And here's another thing: If you can accept that the universe did not need a creator then why is it difficult to accept that a creator does not need a creator?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I believe in a God in which when our understanding of the universe grows greater with the discovery of science my understanding of the vastness and infiniteness and power of God grows in tandem. The thing is, faith isn't just for what I don't understand. Faith to me is for what I do understand also. I have faith that what I understand is true and that it will remain true. I have faith that God is beyond some location or time.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I go to a Christian college. One of the classes we were required to take was a class about the Old Testament. In this class we learned about the culture of the time and the stories in the bible and so on. Our teacher stands by a statement that I agree with. The bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. I look to science to tell me how the universe works.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Christian College AKA Jesus Camp / Pseudosciences
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 I mean, we study everything everyone else studies at colleges. We have a spectacular science department that is dedicated to Ken Olsen who is responsible for the way many of our computers function today. He built the first transistorized research computer. I mean, we probably use the same biology books as secular colleges. I mean, does it really become pseudoscience when you believe God exists in the context of this?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
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@tpeasetiger Life for the sake of life doesnt seem to cut it to you? then why even live? you sound pathetic. youre basically saying that without your invisible deity somewhere you'd kill yourself or kill others because you think you have no purpose without it. Thats insane, theres all sorts of reasons to live for the sake of being alive but for someone with no true moral compass like you it doesnt matter if theres no god because we would put you in jail for murder anyway, morals evolved
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 I find your comments to be honest but very rude. I mean, first off just because I believe in God and feel that purpose can only come from him does not mean that I am a selfish prick with no moral compass. I'm simply trying to understand how one finds purpose without the idea of a God. I also never claimed that I didn't believe humans were animals in the animal kingdom. If we weren't we'd be extremely different from the other life forms on this planet.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I didnt say that belief in god means youre a selfish prick, youre using a strawman to make your argument better. And if you believe you are an animal you also have to submit that Evolution is fact, which weeds out creationism, as I said, it is superfluous to explain things in the 21 century. Mythology was our first attempt at a lot of things and when it comes to explaining reality, Science wins.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 Another thing. You define our purpose to be progress. What does that mean? Aiming to live longer in hopes to eventually live forever? I'd just like to get your definition of "progress" clear so we're on the same page. I would also appreciate patience. I am trying to be patient with all of my comments and I don't think being rude about the situation is progress. I view it as frustration manifesting itself in words.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Well yes, the idea is to live a much longer life and be able to stop sickness/illness/cancer/disease, etc. I mean cmon have you not thought about how much you could experience in 500 years or so of living? you wouldnt even want an afterlife after that kind of living. If you find a perfectly natural and scentifically inclinced argument my frustration, in what context? in the context that you dont care to live for the sake of being alive? yes, I dont like people who think like that.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 Here's an issue with that kind of "progress." If we live 500 years or longer then how do we regulate that? That would have some serious moral implications. Population would increase. We wouldn't be able to feed everyone or house them. If people were to be able to live that long then regulations would have to be made as to who would be allowed or even if we are allowed to have children. It'd become a huge mess in my opinion. Unless of course we expand to space and other planets.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger your progress speech shows me your religion has retarded your imagintion, its so primitive that you cant fathom we'd be traveling space and be going off to other earth like planets so if there was a population problem.as if you could really call a lot of people a problem..its not to get rid of those people but to expand..moral implications to living longer..thats the stupidest thing youve said yet. thats like ppl in ancient times saying "living to be 100 can have moral problems" lol
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 If you could avoid insulting me in such a rude manner I think we'd be able to have a more civil dialog. I am attempting to respect others views as best I can, and I claim multiple times that if my views are offensive I apologize for offending people. I'm not trying to be some sort of internet troll, I just am seeking honest dialog in order to further this discussion. So, I'd appreciate it if you could avoid calling me names. I won't call you names even if you call me names.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Sorry you got offended but could you answer the questions? you have to know youre going to offend people who actually payed attention in 9th grade science class for example, so its hard to feel bad when I think I was pretty mild about some of the outlandish things you were saying.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 I would also like to say, as a final statement, that I'm not trying to be some sort of self righteous person. I know that I am flawed and that I'm not perfect. I'm just attempting to, as I said before, open the floor to further this dialog on God and purpose.
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mikeyg789 1 month ago
@mikeyg789 When I see that I know that no matter how far we reach or how much we come to understand God is still the source for it and scientific discoveries not only broaden our understanding of the universe they broaden our understanding of God. Let me simply pose this as a theoretical statement. If God exists and created the universe then he is a master of all things as we know them. He's something greater then just a being.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I'm someone who believes science and religion can coexist and I think it's ignorant to not think that. Nothing to me in science disproves God. Granted, at this time, nothing proves him either. I can't convince you he exists and you can't convince me he doesn't. The only way either of us can accept either view is if we choose to.
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mikeyg789 1 month ago
While im an atheist I still totally understand what you are feeling. Its a scary theory that Mr.Hawkings shows us, it kinda makes you feel like Neo when he discovered what the Matrix actually was. We might be insignificant, we might have no purpose and every sign of human existence eventually will vanish but you cant keep this in your head, its unhealthy. Too bad Mr.Hawkings doesnt offer a blue pill.
xanatospr 2 months ago
@xanatospr Very true. My question is out of essentially concern for Athiests. How do you live with that "Truth" as you see it? Because from my perspective it leads to purposelessness. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
tpeasetiger 2 months ago
@xanatospr Also, in light of that, it makes it apparent to me a plausible dilemma and atheist may come across with this realization. What is concrete? What is real? And what is worth living and dying for in light of having no inherent purpose, but rather a self created purpose. How do you give meaning to something that is inherently meaningless and what is that meaning essentially worth? I guess in a way my video may be an apparent attack, but I intend it to be more of a concern.
tpeasetiger 2 months ago
So what's wrong with there being no purpose?
We are giving meaning to that word. The universe didn't. I feel sorry for you if that disturbs you.
doldol1 2 months ago
@doldol1 I don't understand how you can live with that and have it not disturb you. If there is no purpose then what drives you to live? Self created purpose? By this design purpose becomes a counterpart to living. Instead of life being about purpose, purpose overlays the reality of life. If you view life as purely biological then purpose shifts from the foundation or answer to this question, to rather an overlay, or coping mechanism.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger So, if we create purpose to cope then what are we trying to cope with and is our "self created" purpose strong enough to help us cope with it? In this case purpose follows a logical chain. Purpose is created by us, and we are subject to the reality of life. If God doesn't exist and there is no afterlife eventually every substance of your identity and "purpose" will eventually cease to exist. This is why I'm disturbed.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I mean, this means purpose becomes a lie people tell themselves so they can sleep at night. It's an excuse much like you believe religion is an excuse. Athiests fight against religion because they want to fight against disillusionment. If this is the case, any sense of purpose is a part of that disillusionment. I mean, how do you avoid becoming completely nihilistic while being completely true to what you are claiming is reality?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Does this make sense? If it doesn't please ask me questions where you would like me to be more clear.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
Yes , humans have no purpose.
It's not that hard to understand, is it?
Why would god created himself in his own likeness?
Look at what humans do, we're a parasitic nightmare to everything around us.
This would make God a parasitic nightmare also, which it is.
Wars are fought over religions, which is terrible.
Religions were first established for explaining things that human intellect could not fathom.
Logic, reason, purpose, etc, is nothing more then something humans created.
SkyEuphy 2 months ago
@SkyEuphy
God exists, even if science says he doesn't.
He exists in everyones mind, wether you are a believer or not.
Just having a opinion about god makes him exist.
Quanta psychics tell us that everything is, and everything is nothing.
It is humankind that tries giving meaning and names for everything that is and is not.
The bad part is that human-kind has the intellect to twist our so called purposes, logics into something for their own benefit, such as fighting wars of religions.
SkyEuphy 2 months ago
@SkyEuphy
In the end, we have created our own purpose and logics, not the big bang, not god.
SkyEuphy 2 months ago
@SkyEuphy i so would +100000 that! god only exist cuz we make him exist
the2killers 2 months ago
@SkyEuphy The bible claims God made us in his image, but that doesn't mean God was made in our image. From a biblical standpoint I would say we've departed from God. I also view sin as anything that turns our focus towards inward and selfish desires. The two greatest commandments are love God and love neighbor. Every 'commandment' can be broken down into something that goes against the nature of these commandments.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger It may be easy to assume from this that God is tyrannical or just as much of a mess as we are, but Christianity views God as a being who is perfectly just, perfect in love and a perfect master of all creation.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
Something really bothers me though . . . When a group of non-believers question gods existence, the believers defend and cast away what the non-believers think but when a group of believers do their normal thing like preaching to their God, you don't see non-believers bitching about it . . . So I don't question about God's existence that's not my point, my point is, why do those who believe in God disrespect what others believe . . .
JeanAlexSS 2 months ago
@JeanAlexSS I'm not trying to disrespect what others believe, I'm just trying to understand it better. Basically, how can you live with the fact that purpose just becomes a coping mechanism if it is not inherent?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger How can you live with that? It's like the matrix. Once you know what do you do? Do you keep lying to yourself or do you change the way you live? Or do you even keep living? I mean, if you view it like this I hardly think purpose is valuable anymore. What makes it valuable? Is it valuable? Clearly it must be if we keep living. If it isn't then we live for an empty cause. That's what disturbs me and why I worry as someone who believes in God.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I worry for those who don't believe in God and I would like to know further why they believe what they believe. It's also something I can learn from. If someone can find value in their life amidst this knowledge then I listen, compare it to what I believe and choose to apply it to myself in a way that is compatible with what I believe. It can make me a stronger human being.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
when does evolution of mankind will be set? My perception is getting sick for being exposed to all this brain damage people.
Like you fucking moron,
Sincerely, I don't exist.
God
ggccgcg 2 months ago
@ggccgcg you perceive to be you because sound waves are at the right level.we are intelligent matter thats all .who says there is not matter which has conquered space and time .because the universe is matter and we can not say if there is a 100% no higher being because he may not live in our time and space matter anti matter dark matter energy are way beyond our intelligence so stop trying to make out we have solved anything they are theories thats all ggccgcg.
mrricksta30 2 months ago
@ggccgcg I think a lot about these issues actually, and I believe that I think about them intelligently. I apologize for offending you by believing in God. I would appreciate it if you produced an intelligent response instead of simply saying I am brain damaged and a 'fucking moron' as you put it. My dilemma is understanding the nature of purpose. "Are we all lying to ourselves to cope?" is essentially my question.
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ggccgcg 2 months ago
Also, when you say, since i dont believe in a god, i just try and "Get though my day"? Are you a fucking retard? I dont just try and get through my day, I live my life to however i want, and i live it up as much as i can, because i know when i die, there is no eternal bliss, no eternal fire. Im not going to live forever, and neither are you. What i know is right here, right now is real, i feel it as real, i experience it as real, so while you sit there, praying to your god, I laugh at you.
matthew646 2 months ago
@matthew646 so while you sit there, praying to your god, I laugh at you.
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Umm!
Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
How is that for YOUR "I laugh at you." and answer the question instead?!
1tabligh 2 months ago
@matthew646 You life your life and do what you want. But what do you want? Do you ever think of the bigger picture and wonder why you do what you do? Or do you just do it? Where's the value to your life? Without God all life is is birth and death and the things we do in-between in order to continue this cycle. Purpose becomes an illusion to make life easier to live. Doesn't that make sense as to why this can trouble me?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger How do you try to seek truth in this way but avoid becoming nihilistic. If you can swallow that purpose is self perpetuated and has no intrinsic value based upon this then why attack people who believe in God? If you don't believe in God or purpose what do you believe in? If you don't believe in anything then why would you continue to want to live? If you say something is wonderful, then why is it wonderful? If you enjoy something, why do you enjoy it?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Because it makes you feel good? Why does it make you feel good? What is at the root of these things? Chemicals in our minds, sensory receptors. These things give us positive and negative responses in order to prompt us in knowing what is beneficial to continue living. But, without any reason to this process it becomes something fruitless and ruthless. You just live in the moment and try to ignore all that information.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I mean, how do you hold both things? It just seems like it's an attempt to lie to yourself while accepting the truth.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Or the so called "truth" that each of us individually believes in. How do we know what is true and when we know it's true how are we supposed to live. Because I feel what we believe truly affects how we live. I'm trying to understand how people live with this perspective that purpose is self created when that in itself seems like a troubling paradoxical perspective. I may seem to be attacking, but I am only attempting to engage in debate to gain further perspective on the issue.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
Right now i have only watched up to 2:30 in your video, and i literally dont want to watch any more of it. When are you going to take your fucking high and mighty ass off a pedestal and realise that we arent the soul centre of the Universe? Of course the big bang had no reason, we are the only reason why the universe is in existence. You cant be small minded enough to think that out of this MASSIVE space of millions of stars/planets, that we are the main reason it is all in existence. Idiot.
matthew646 2 months ago
@matthew646 I'm not saying we are the reason for the universe. I never claimed that. I only claimed that a universe without a God is a purposeless universe. Personally, I don't think Christianity is supposed to be about pride in ourselves. Christianity is supposed to be about humility. I know I'm pressing on a pretty hot topic issue and that this video probably left a pretty bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Personally, I think a more powerful way to view humanity is as dust. We are nothing at all without God. That doesn't mean that with God I become the center of the universe. When I attempt to take that place I make the biggest mistake humankind can ever make, and that's trying to be God. I don't want to be that prideful or selfish. Christianity views God as a being of perfect love. That means he loves us while we don't deserve his love. Unconditional love.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I believe that there can be life and is life beyond our planet with beings of equal, less or even greater intelligence than our own. I also believe that God is capable of loving these beings as much as he loves us. I mean, we are just a spec of the grand universe that I believe he created, and not in a second do I believe we hold some sort of privileged position above creation. If God loves he loves all that he made completely whether it loves him or not. Unconditional love.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
come back when you get multiple phd's, awards and years of experience and scientific research and propose a theory with evidence then we may listen
Marzattacz 2 months ago
@Marzattacz Do you have all of those? I'm willing to listen to people who don't.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I'm just making a logical claim as I see fit.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
What religion fears most is the question "Why?" cause the more it is asked the more the man made idea of a god becomes less and less real to their cause and thus creates fear, one proof is the idea that "All attempts of disproving god is a challenge of faith, not the reason of reality"
Stamfaste 3 months ago
those people who did not believe in the existence of a God is A fool we human are created by God to do His will for example a cow eat the grass that you cannot eat the grass by your self because there is a chemical in the stomach of a cow that can digest grass but you can benefit from the cow because you can eat beef from cow you are benefited from grass trough the cow that is the purpose of grass to the cow and grass to you and our duty is to obey God for is purpose why He created us thank you
mjboyofsanluisaurora 3 months ago
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mjboyofsanluisaurora 3 months ago
you don't know what you are saying there is a reason in every thing that happen and there is none happen with out a reason
mjboyofsanluisaurora 3 months ago
@mjboyofsanluisaurora I'm not saying there is no reason. I'm simply saying that without God then there is no true reason or purpose. Essentially, there is no answer to the question to why.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Purpose is a mindset, its not some sort of ordained feeling, its just something people labeled to a thing. You could say that without shmooblydon your life is meaningless but if you dont know what that is and it doesnt affect your life, its meaningless. The idea of god is superfluous in the 21st century, we dont need a quick-fix god story to explain the cosmos. If you dont put science over religiion then by all means stop using anything technological and move into a powerless hut.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
Just because the big bang didnt have a purpose doesn't mean everything that it created doesn't have purpose. Also no really u have no reason for your belief in god or you cannot explain it... well that's because humans have a portion of their brain that effects your hippo-campus and many other portions of the brain that is being proven to conjure or plant religious feeling in your subconscious (its not as scary as it sounds or as complex... i don't mean its a implant by someone)
WrecktifiedUSBB 3 months ago
You watched the video and asking what's our purpose? its like out of the argument. The video just wants to answer "did god created the universe?"... Is the topic of the video is "did god created the universe for a purpose"?lol Stephen Hawking didn't tackled the argument in moralistic stand point so stop the yapping of asking what's our purpose.
josephroy0204 3 months ago
@josephroy0204 From my perspective, purpose and God are linked. If you believe God doesn't exist your perspective on "purpose" will probably be drastically different from someone who believes he does exist. It's the next step up from this conclusion.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
Stephen Hawking! You are GENIUS.
sarsbirdflu 3 months ago
I don't think they said it came from nothing, the quantum particle fluctuations cause a reaction.When you boil water, the bubbles of steam may appear to come from nothing, but obviously the heat/energy caused the bubbles.
23skeedoo 3 months ago
@23skeedoo So, quantum particle fluctuations. Have they identified a source for this or is this something that has always existed and wasn't created?
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger you will have to shoot an email to a particle physicist at Oxford or one of the better U.S. universities. I think some people need a very simple answer. I prefer the scientific method to explain the natural world. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a high school grad.
23skeedoo 1 month ago
The imbalance of POSITIVE energy vs NEGATIVE energy --> Big bang --> the HILL and the Hole --> Matter vs Antimatter-->
microsoftsatelite 3 months ago
As many as these comments describe from below, you obviously have little to no knowledge of science and you are denying the evidence that is being displayed to you. You keep telling yourself that life needs a reason/purpose when it doesn't. We've proven this before, and you are ignoring the knowledge that is being presented to you.
Xavierrex3 3 months ago
If you want a more defiantly proof that the universe has a bigger understanding of its self than us, so it’s clear that something in smarter than us, be the universe or God, try to think of the next thing behind infinity, we know infinity because we need mathematics, you know 1…. (∞-1), ∞ but we never understand it because we can`t and I don`t think that anyone can, that’s why proud people will always trip when a problem or answer come close to the problem of infinity.
EterIronGen 3 months ago
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EterIronGen 3 months ago
Purples comes from choice and choice from free will, if we didn’t have free will than our choice would be our purples and our needs no longer exist, this is clear!! And this is why, in partial I believe in and unknown God and let myself some questions not answered when it comes to philosophy.
EterIronGen 3 months ago
there is nothing to understand yes we did create us self and the univers there is no purpos we have one life no afterlife as hawking says afterlife is a fairytale and sorry my english isent the best the univers dosent need any reason its just laws of nature and that is something thats unchangeble
2980frost 3 months ago
after the 2 min. video you watched they talk about how before the big bang there was no time, therefor no god could possible create the universe.
giggshenrik 3 months ago
There is no purpose. We humans decide what our purpose is. The universe is indifferent. 95% of all species are attacked and eaten alive by others. What is the purpose of that? Your video boils down to two points. I am special and have a purpose given to me by a god. I dont know, so god did it. ha ha ha ha. pathetic
ofosusam 3 months ago
I don't believe in God, but fucking hell I thought you were going to make a decent point about cause and effect but you summed it up yourself "I don't understand" therefore stfu.
And purpose? What was your purpose to make this video and to grow a douch stache.
voetbal12 4 months ago
awwww poor baby, u sad that you're not special?? is your self esteem so low that u have to have a supreme being to justify your existance, how sad are u? how about making others happy, ourselves happy, treat people and others good, and try to make your small part of your world better, thats about it, oh and reproduce is good too for the species, but just because u blieve in god doesn't mean he's in existance, and some of us don't need him to actually have a happy day, so u need him to be nice??
crystaldragon19 4 months ago
@crystaldragon19 I believe people can have a sense of purpose without God, but I am someone who probes the depths of reasoning. If you are going to help people and attempt to make the world a better place then I want to know why and what motivates you to do that. People say that Christians like to stop at God, but the thing is I keep pressing. God isn't just some sort of reason for existence. Faith in God is a conviction of truth and a seeking of knowledge.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I have room for doubt, I have room for seeking answers to lives questions. I don't just try to understand how the way things are, I am trying to seek why the way things are. I know that I want to make others happy and to treat others good. I know that. My question is why do I want to do that? Why do you want to do that? I want something that goes beyond the simple cycle of making life easier in order to make new life.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I don't want it to just be a part of an endless cycle of birth life and death. I mean, is it as simple as enjoying life as you live it? I mean, what does it amount to? I dunno, I just think that if I didn't believe in God it would be personally easier for me to become nihilistic, and I wonder how people who don't believe in God avoid that.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I mean, the thing is, I get so tender about life. I look at a living creature and it pains me to know the kind of suffering we must endure as living things. And it makes me want to cry because all I can think of is how we are all going to die. It's a personal fear I have. Death. I mean, it's terrifying to me. Think about it from your perspective. It's your consciousness. Your perception of reality.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger You sleep and wake and throughout all of that you are absorbing information and processing it. What happens when you die? What happens to all you know and all you experienced? It scares the hell out of me. And it's not because I think I'm special or because I have a purpose. I yearn for a purpose. I yearn for more than just this life because something in the essence of my being says that this life is not enough.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger I mean, it's a humbling thing to realize that everyone you know and every living creature you have encountered will cease to exist as you know it (whether they continue in another life or not). What's on that other side of death is what really terrifies me. I want to protect and help others because I deeply care about being able to offer some sort of comfort to those who are in this with me.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger We are all in this together and life to me is so precious because it is so fragile. But the thing is, I need to have reason for that fragility. I need to have reason for life and death or else I think I'll just crumble under the pressure. I need something real, I need something powerful and I need something that satiates this desire in me. To me, that is God. I know that this isn't the answer for you, but for me it's not something I blindly follow. I need to know it's real.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger You can view this however you like. You can view it as pathetic, you can view it as weak but for me I need something to make the struggle worth the struggle. Personally, life for the sake of life doesn't seem to cut it to me.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
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mikeyg789 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger What happens to you when you die? what do you think? its called decomposition. You're anthropamorphizing your existance with a god to make your existence seem important when you are no different then any other animal that dies. I noticed the scientifically retarded religious people still dont acknowledge that they are primates that are a part of the animal kingdom for fuck sakes. First, get over your fear of death or you will live a shitty life of which you only get one of.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger You just dont want to be part of the cycle? Youre so vapid and really sounding pathetic, maybe you should off yourself if you dont care to see others in the cycle flourish & survive, selfish prick. You clearly arnt a moral person & need to blanket forgive yourself for what an apathetic homo-sapien you are. At least I believe in evolving the human race so we live longer & progress. Im a transhumanist & I cant see how YOU couldnt be, the "purpose" as you would call it, is to PROGRESS
mikeyg789 1 month ago
You are so amazingly unintellectual and numb to science that it's pretty obvious that youre a devout religious person that will always try to deny the evidence.
mikeyg789 4 months ago
@mikeyg789 The thing is, I understand science answers the 'what' and 'how' about reality. I don't appreciate that you are saying I am unintellectual and numb to science. I would call that ignorant. I strive to understand not only the 'what' and 'how' about life but I attempt to answer a question that I feel science doesn't address and that is the 'why.' To say I am unintellectual and numb to science feels like an insult to me.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger If you explain your reality with supernatural hogwash like souls/gods/miracles then you're ignorant, theres no way to put it lightly to you but you dont understand the scentific method if you believe in supernatural things. Congrats, there's a reason why 85% of Biologists are Atheists, b/c they understand the natural processes of the cosmos and can prove it. Its not some supernatural crap made up by uncultured, illiterate, arabs who thought the earth was flat for example among many.
mikeyg789 1 month ago
Most of the morons commenting here can't get their heads around some really simple principles. Faith is belief without evidence. If you had evidence for the existence of god you would NOT need faith. Purpose is man made. The universe does not give a rats ass about your personal hopes and wishes. If you can't understand the basic principle of cause and effect and how it links to time, then don't bother hurting your head trying to philosophise.
gazbo66 5 months ago
Watch the whole thin its on youtube lol sorry man your not all there
TheBongJovi 5 months ago
Okay everyone just stfu and listen:
The people who believe in God(I do as well) let us believe what we want to believe, but remember this. If we are right we wont have to worry about anything and we spend eternal life in paraidise while you burn for the rest of eternity. If YO
U(who dont believe in God) are right, notice nothing will happen to us and we still wont have anything to worry about. Go think that through.
PoptartFail 5 months ago
@PoptartFail No, if you are wrong you have wasted every sunday going to church, supported a religion that has harassed gays for no reason, hidden priests that rape children, caused just about every war in human history and more importantly woken me up early on Saturday mornings when I'm hungover as hell and trying to bleat to me about jesus when all I want is a pie and a coke and for you to fuck off.
gazbo66 5 months ago
@PoptartFail you are diluted, we cant just let any old superstitions ruin the planet, if you cant see that religion is more harmful than atheism, look at muslims, they clearly want everyone to convert or die, and at one time it was the same for the christians, torture, rape, cannibalism, child molestation, genital mutilation were all fun and games in the dark ages. If there is enough evidence and proof against god, why should we let people be stupid? can you hoenstly say we should dumb ppl down?
mikeyg789 4 months ago
Black holes are a mathematical construct that does not exist in reality. I know we have seen them in FICTIONAL works, like science fiction, yet black holes do not exist in the universe. They violate the very natural laws Hawking says he upholds. (See thermodynamics, basically the real natural world). If black holes as they are defined do not exist then Stephen Hawking’s work is fiction of the worst kind is masquerading as reality.
The Electric Universe at thunderbolts.info.
sclausi30 5 months ago
@sclausi30 No. We have solid evidence from astronomy to suggest that they exist. So far all spiral galaxies have been shown to have a black hole at the core. Please read up on the material before commenting.
ofosusam 3 months ago
reason and purpose are human creations, yes. it makes life more fun.
T1H0 5 months ago 6
@T1H0 I dunno how it makes life more fun to think that way. I'm trying to understand the reason people think that self made purpose can be meaningful. If our lives boil down to simply doing what we can to continue to live in order to make new life and then layered on top of that are all our self created reasons then our foundation is encyclical and without intrinsic purpose. There is no reason, and any reason we give is empty. If I were to believe this I couldn't live with myself.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
@tpeasetiger Life becomes a cruel joke that reality has imposed upon us. The ones who submit to it are the ones who can live with it. How do you live with this reality? Do you lie to yourself or are you honest with yourself. And is it all a result of making life easier to live or not? It seems like this is the true question of belief or non belief.
tpeasetiger 1 month ago
I think Hawking is just spewing the same old atheistic religious dogma. There is no empirical evidence of this self creation and requires pure faith. Quantum mathematics is used, but has easily manipulated variables that are dangerous in the hands of religious zealots like Hawking and his cohorts (the faith requirement married with the emotional refusal to consider opposing views now qualifies atheism as a religion).
piusvapor 5 months ago
I think Hawkings was right that we started from a black hole but what if god was the black hole what if thats the form he took to make the universe!
BrightSkyFilms 5 months ago
I think that the possibility of a God scares all thoughs who fear of losing thier power in this world.
blaxicat2005 5 months ago
@25Poklat Yes i want all the statements that i find to be TRUELY GENIUS to be recognized.
blaxicat2005 5 months ago
@legit0101 Me too me too...
blaxicat2005 5 months ago
@JonProce, TOTALLY AGREE. =D
blaxicat2005 5 months ago
If everything had happened through accidents, with no meaning er purpose, why don't we all just think of yet ANOTHER super weapon and go nuke ourselves for fun? To me the thought of pure accidents is an illogical one...but that might be because I am just a stupid Christian who doesn't follow all of the rules of the ALMIGHTY RACE OF MAN. Such an almighty race thats drives their motorcycles off cliffs just to see if the gravity was working today.
blaxicat2005 5 months ago
@blaxicat2005 "...I am just a stupid Christian..."
The only factual and reasonable statement you made in that post. Gratz!
Exmech2 5 months ago
When the world ends...we'll see who's right, K? @MontyBrith, I totally agree wit you. (=
blaxicat2005 5 months ago
No mention of consciousness, it was a joke! Science means observation, no one obsevered it lol God could be outside of time and then create time, after all isnt his place surposed to be eternal so time wouldnt be there.
MontyBrith 5 months ago
This is garbage.
ourrevolutionxxx 6 months ago
Dude I dont care what you think. I not even gonna argue anything with you. There are many reasons some people cant accept the evidence supporting no god from being deluded to being brain washed. In time we will live in a world without religion and god and only then will we all live in peace and make great advances.
antruby 6 months ago
It is perfectly reasonable for the religious to argue that God was responsible for the big bang. It's a great explanation, and satisfies most parties, but the fact of the matter is that we will never be able to prove or disprove that claim.
JonProce 6 months ago
The point you're making about our species manufacturing a purpose for being here is absolutely correct. We're here, we got here through a very, very complicated scientific process. We as a species will never, ever know whether or not physicist's and cosmologist's best guesses for the origins of our universe are correct or not. There is no sure way in our foreseeable future that we will ever be able to prove or disprove that.
JonProce 6 months ago
meh. Jesus will show everybody when he returns. hope none of you die before the end of the tribulation...
legit0101 6 months ago
I still do believe that god created everything. We are not living in the paradox of black hole. GOD is genius and only fools cant see his creations.
25Poklat 6 months ago
purpose, hope, judgement, etc. are only human feelings.. you cannot also say or prove that bec of your hopelessness & selfish feelings therefore God exists. Cause and effect are only an intuition & man made. Human cannot understand "nothing" bec, our mind are evolved through cause & effect here on earth. So don't say God did it, you don't have evidence only feelings..
snowhite1qazse4 6 months ago
Considering the origin of the big bang as a single infinitesimally small, infinitesimally dense black hole-like entity in space: How can Mr Hawking say with such confidence that the universe is nothing? The universe either "is" or it "isn't". The universe is either a 0 or a 1. I can entertain the thought that the universe pops in and out of existance, much like the subatomic parts that constitute matter. What I cannot entertain is the thought that everything is a 0, instead of a 1.
DaClems 6 months ago
Good vid... thanx for questioning ... quantum physics (string theory) is not a proven science it's still theory. The show is bassing its conclusion on the FACT that "sometime" things can come into being from nothing and then vanish into nothing. can this been shown 100% to be the case in the big bang or just another way to try and make sense of it. I also have an issue with the basic logic of time not existing before the big bang therefore neither did god to create it.
jvonwahl 6 months ago
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Your desire for a purposeful life isn't a sufficient argument against Hawking. Many people want an afterlife to exist, yet that is in no way evidence for one's existence.
TraVeSiMo 6 months ago
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TraVeSiMo 6 months ago
your a fucking moron seriousopy the big bang sprung out of pur energy which has been proven to randomly transform into matter then fizzle out of existance and thats what happend there is not purpose or reason for anything... everything just is... and sorry to break it to you but your argument makes absolutley no sense............GOD IS JUST AN EXCUSE
RyanDelena 6 months ago
@RyanDelena If that is the case, then any purpose you give yourself is an excuse as well. If your on the boat with the people who say purpose is what we make it and you believe God is a construct or an excuse, then wouldn't it be within reason to allow me to believe in my purpose if you feel it's alright for everyone else to believe in theirs?
tpeasetiger 6 months ago
@tpeasetiger "..."to allow me to believe in my purpose..."
Ummm, no. He, and you, are quite wrong in thinking that a belief that a fairy tale is real is a "purpose". It's a sickness. A mental disorder. A delusion. Like a belief in mind control rays. Allowing this delusion to continue is a disgrace to civilization. The delusion has been quite damaging in the past, and continues like some nefarious memetic virus. No... keep your delusions to yourself until you come up with actual evidence.
Exmech2 5 months ago
@RyanDelena why do you have to be so rude? your rudeness makes it difficult to take you seriously.
cooyah594 6 months ago
@RyanDelena
Where did the vacuum energy come from? And you say that everything just is. Well, what kind of explanation is that? Biological creatures just are, there is no explanation as to how they got there, they are just there. The universe as we see it just is, there is no explanation as to how it came into existence, it JUST IS? Sounds like an excuse if I ever heard one. Turn your skepticism on yourself, it would do you some good. You just might get some critical thinking skills out of it.
circusOFprecision 5 months ago
It goes deeper than just creating purpose. It's a psychological trick to redefine purpose. To me it is obvious that we were created to experience. But because of that, we are forced to take responsibility for our actions. Our actions have natural consequences. In this atheistic view, this baseless metaphysics that popular science is trying to push, purpose can now be redefined how we choose. You realize the fallacy of that. Others would rather embrace it so that they can avoid responsibility.
circusOFprecision 5 months ago
@RyanDelena I am satisfied with everything that Stephen Hawking has layed out as far as our universe, but there is a theory of our universe being just a bubble in a giant sponge of other universes. Not to mention that these other universes might follow a whole other set of rules of which time might not be one of these rules. On top of this there are more than just 4 dementions in our own universe theoretically.
BalisticsStudio 3 months ago
@BalisticsStudio Do these other dimensions not exist at the beginning just because time does not. Could other dimensions play a role. I guess what i'm trying to say is that there are other questions that need to be asked.
BalisticsStudio 3 months ago
@RyanDelena why insult him he has some good points .just remember its not a 100% there is no god im a atheist but dont insult its a human beings right to question .even atheist have a bit of faith .you deluded i hope you burn up all your natural gases explode and turn in on your self turn into a supernova then in to a black hole .or you get zapped by gammar rays from proxima centauri.
mrricksta30 2 months ago