@djmarco450 i know, but he siad he wanted to use dry ice in the chiller, i think however dry ice would put the fog back into a liquid state, so if your going to buy dry ice you can just use dry ice and warm water,
This is not a good examination of how fog chillers are supposed to work.
The idea is to condense the fog, so that it is heavier than the surrounding air and thus hugs the ground. This can be achieved either by cooling the temperature of the fog, with ice for instance, or as in this video, by running it through a condensing chamber.
that was really bad I'm afraid. you need a longer tube for the fog to flow through. Take some air conditioning duct and wind it through a big garbage bin then fill the bin with Ice
Difficult to watch a 12 year old try and tell me how to "make films". I've never seen special effects guys with a dinky 400 watt fog machine, fluid from the spirit store, and a pvc pipe and a handful of ice, smoking up a set.
Perhaps drill a few draining holes in the pipe for when the ice begins to melt, on the off chance it'll go back to the fog machine that ownt be pretty(?)
after watching numerous fog chiller videos, yours does seem to do the trick, however in certain scenerios it will not do the trick, in a closed enviroment, hardwood floor, you need to take that ice into consideration, for possibly leaking and damaging the floor and any other products, also noting, if you added a grocery or garbage bag to the end of that PVC pipe, your fog, would come out only on the ground, thus creating a bigger fog effect low to the ground, dont get me wrong yours works!
If you cap the pipe completely and cut some holes (or slots) in the side of the pipe, it will give a very wide "floor" of fog.
It's even cooler if you use a square or rectangular pipe, which is easy to light or hide somewhere. Use a fan or compressor to add pressure to the pipe and make the fog move even faster across the floor!
@dimitrizeman100 if you actually listened to him, he said; " 2$ for the fog juice we actually used here" and in all honesty, he used less then a buck on that, if even 50Cents. He made a decent video, so stop being dicks and just move along if you dont like it. You obviously needed to come here to learn somethingin the forst place. Or are you just trolling. Eitherway, you probably should be studying for you addition and subtraction test tomorrow. Its right before recess,
@lukethegreat29 If you can find it. There is literally NO places to get dry ice in my area. Plus you have to transport it, and you'd have to pretty much use it right away. And what happens when your takes don't turn out, and you have to re-shoot tomorrow? its BACK to the store, for more dry ice. Thus you've wasted even MORE money and more time. With this, you can reuse it over and over, till you run out of juice, which if you buy one of that size, its going to be a LONG time before you run out
Hmm...I can't help but wonder how much of a danger melting ice would be around the fog machine: something tells me there's an electrical hazard in this design.
@Toolsquatch perhaps, I didn't think about that, BUT there are lots of other designs online for fog chillers, that keep the ice contained in a separate box, so if that's a concern, just go for one of those type!
first of all about this vid, everything needs to be redone. the ice tube one needs a safe drain for the melted ice, so that way it dosent shorten out your fog machine for being so close and getting it wey, and 2, DO NOT put the hose over the nozzle, it needs to be about an inch away so the vapor can FULLY react with the oxygen and create fog. please redo this tutorial if you can keeping these in mind.
Your right it costs under 30 bucks, actually no it doesnt, because there is no way in hell you can buy that low amount of fog juice for just 10 seconds of fog, and you said earlier the container was 20, thats 43 bucks then
You could also take out the background noise of the fog machine with Audacity's "noise removal" effect. Instantly removes machinery, static, or other unwanted patterened noises. Just give it a selection of your noise, and Bam! Clean sound!
I got a great shock off of a fog machine once working in a theatre. Its an electric object, so be very careful once your ice melts- perhaps raise your fog machine an incho or so so any melted ice runs away from the cables. :)
Gotta say, I was kinda chuckling at the beginning when you said "how to make fog, step 1 get a fog machine," but I was impressed with your end result :) It really does look great! But isn't dry ice cheaper (and quieter?) about $2/pound...
Dry ice is better for some situations, a fogger is better for others. You can't store dry ice, so you run the risk of either running out, or overshooting and wasting it. It can be dangerous, but if you're reasonably intelligent and can follow simple instructions, it's not a problem. You also need to keep your water hot for maximum effect.
On the other hand, it's the gold standard if you don't have electricity on hand. it's simple, quiet, compact and cold. It's ninja fog.
that is really good, the only thing is, is that the heat from the original fog would melt the ice faster than usual so you'd have to keep topping it up with ice. 5 stars tho, great vid.
hey dude, it's a old trick. in stage shows we use this for a long time. We make floormist with CO2..called dryice. put a litle in a glass of water..see what happens..Be carefull for burns. it will burn youre skin. Great to see you how you fiks this wth just a pipe, ice and tape...smart dude :)
Your problem with the thin fog is the fogger. Don't buy a cheap party store fogger, if you just get a professional Chauvet, American DJ, or Martin fogger your problem will be solved.
(not the problem with it rising.. the unrealistic think fog)
that tape won't hold for long when the water starts melting. try using better tape or maybe drill holes in the bottom of the pipe to allow the water to get out withour hitting the tape. but nice design
The fog density has little to do with the machine it self, It has to do with the ratio of Glynal/water. Wile the heating element the hotter it gets handles the ratios diffrently ultimately the liquid effects the fog. As for the sound of the machine, that machine was fairly quite. the hissing sound is standard for all fog machines includeing 600 buck industrial machines, and fixed with a nossle silencer. However the noise complaints you hear about cheap machines is from the pump not the hissing.
if you want to direct your fog and have some freedome with this thing, just do exacley the same thing but instead of a log tube use a sewage hose from an rv store or any kind of bendable hose fore an easer shot.
Poke some holes in the tubing and completely clog the end of the tubing up ALL the way. fog should only leak slightly from the mouth, otherwise, all of the fog should ONLY come through the holes. It traps the fog, cools it, and makes it more dense. So it will stick to the ground, and skim under light wind.
1:57 - i dont think my brain level will go as far as finding the end of a pipe
TheMacShake 1 month ago
i thoght this was wekkkend progect after a wile
anthony123beanie 4 months ago
Stop hating the kid, it looked great, was cheap and he was kind enough to share it. Congrats man.
Melvito2 5 months ago 4
and then the ice melts :(
jorrttiemer 7 months ago
oh dear.. get a life
tomwilz15 8 months ago
Is a PVC cap really *that* expensive?
esroopay 8 months ago
dry ice and hot watter
chuggaminime 10 months ago
help me i cant find the end of the pipe
Mrhamonrye 11 months ago
Kipkay did this with dry ice and hot water!
spider1g5 11 months ago
Interesting. About how long does that amount of ice last?
Miss1983Mandy 11 months ago
what if i replaced the ice with dry ice? would it be better?
MoneyMakinMel100 1 year ago
@MoneyMakinMel100 if youre gonna use dry ice you might as well use dry ice and water
damastan00b 7 months ago
@damastan00b fog machine puts out more
djmarco450 7 months ago
@djmarco450 i know, but he siad he wanted to use dry ice in the chiller, i think however dry ice would put the fog back into a liquid state, so if your going to buy dry ice you can just use dry ice and warm water,
damastan00b 6 months ago
@damastan00b ok i see
djmarco450 6 months ago
This is not a good examination of how fog chillers are supposed to work.
The idea is to condense the fog, so that it is heavier than the surrounding air and thus hugs the ground. This can be achieved either by cooling the temperature of the fog, with ice for instance, or as in this video, by running it through a condensing chamber.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
that was really bad I'm afraid. you need a longer tube for the fog to flow through. Take some air conditioning duct and wind it through a big garbage bin then fill the bin with Ice
BMAnnArbor 1 year ago
Great work!
crispycritterz 1 year ago
cool
stevedexteruk 1 year ago
How to make fog: Buy a fog machine!
This video sucks balls big time
intestineswallower 1 year ago
@intestineswallower sad you dont understand ther simple concept of a fog chiller
damastan00b 7 months ago
Difficult to watch a 12 year old try and tell me how to "make films". I've never seen special effects guys with a dinky 400 watt fog machine, fluid from the spirit store, and a pvc pipe and a handful of ice, smoking up a set.
andythehammer 1 year ago 2
@andythehammer i agree. but thats because it looks pathetic using pvc a tape. thats why people spend there life savings on crap they dont need
MrCouchpotato93 1 year ago
Perhaps drill a few draining holes in the pipe for when the ice begins to melt, on the off chance it'll go back to the fog machine that ownt be pretty(?)
lemmonsinmyeyes 1 year ago
thought u said 30$ so far its over 40-50 dollars i got a cheaper way buckets water and dry ice doesnt take much and its cool to watch
timw421 1 year ago
wipe off your lens!!!!!!!!
Nandrew22 1 year ago
nice, but i have another tip for you, buy the amarican dj mr kool low laying fogmachine!:D
djcactus96 1 year ago
after watching numerous fog chiller videos, yours does seem to do the trick, however in certain scenerios it will not do the trick, in a closed enviroment, hardwood floor, you need to take that ice into consideration, for possibly leaking and damaging the floor and any other products, also noting, if you added a grocery or garbage bag to the end of that PVC pipe, your fog, would come out only on the ground, thus creating a bigger fog effect low to the ground, dont get me wrong yours works!
knitsu 1 year ago
Is that Mclovin?
xcallmethebigggx 1 year ago
wtf? is the fog juice 20 or 2? what a fucking douche
sacboy9 1 year ago
Why is this fag on indymogul?
tomofthecheese 1 year ago
Lip Sync Much?
LukeNoles 1 year ago
You sir are a douche.... FAG
JiveKernel 1 year ago 14
@JiveKernel At least he was nice enough to share his tutorials. Your freaking gay, being mean to him.
SnowMishka33 1 year ago
@SnowMishka33 Nice grammar.
JiveKernel 1 year ago
@JiveKernel Why the hell would I care about my grammar? Nerd...
SnowMishka33 1 year ago
@SnowMishka33 Eloquent, no wonder the world IQ is gradually becoming... retarded.
JiveKernel 1 year ago
If you cap the pipe completely and cut some holes (or slots) in the side of the pipe, it will give a very wide "floor" of fog.
It's even cooler if you use a square or rectangular pipe, which is easy to light or hide somewhere. Use a fan or compressor to add pressure to the pipe and make the fog move even faster across the floor!
Stoney3K 1 year ago
fog juice:20 dollars for the hole bottle
fog machine:20 dollars
you said under 30 dollars
20+20=40
dimitrizeman100 1 year ago 4
@dimitrizeman100 if you actually listened to him, he said; " 2$ for the fog juice we actually used here" and in all honesty, he used less then a buck on that, if even 50Cents. He made a decent video, so stop being dicks and just move along if you dont like it. You obviously needed to come here to learn somethingin the forst place. Or are you just trolling. Eitherway, you probably should be studying for you addition and subtraction test tomorrow. Its right before recess,
nokmuay1970 1 year ago
@nokmuay1970 I felt that burn way over here.... :O
lemmonsinmyeyes 1 year ago
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dimitrizeman100 1 year ago
why dont you just get heavy duty fog
freestylefilmsinc 1 year ago
the hardest part was finding an edge
papermaker107 1 year ago
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SuperGodbass 1 year ago
i bought fog machine for £5! thats like $8 woooot
ned316 1 year ago
@ned316 nice but i bought one for 2 pounds and i hacked it and it works so good my frieds thought it was real the fog #LOL Edinbrough
ShockingFlameOfMW2 1 year ago
buy dry ice put it in cooler with a built in fan and you have a way better fog machine
geeboy288 1 year ago
lame r suppoed to show show to make fog making machine!!
or for $1 u can buy a pound of dry ice and put in hot water hot same effect!!!
mitch4942 1 year ago
wow that explains why my fog did that
fransueloken 1 year ago
Yes that smoke looks realy realy realystic!!! It looks like your big fat ass!!
mavapictures 1 year ago
Thanks for the tip. Will try it on halloween.
katievic413 1 year ago
Decent fog machines already have a compartment to filter ice through.
hirewen 1 year ago
how to make fog: buy a fog machine and fog machine juice.
THANKS YOU FUCKIN IDIOT
stoopidgirl789987 1 year ago
@stoopidgirl789987
he said realistic fog. Guess your screen name is appropriate. :D
wavylava 1 year ago
I'd Rather Waste my money on drugs.............
fagget
brandon052695 1 year ago
TYVM.
therockerboy1 1 year ago
Is that a young Eric Beck?
MrActionproductions 1 year ago
that was a really good tip
thx man
johnvassoura 1 year ago
just sayin dry ice is cheaper and less messy! use dry ice!
lukethegreat29 1 year ago
@lukethegreat29 If you can find it. There is literally NO places to get dry ice in my area. Plus you have to transport it, and you'd have to pretty much use it right away. And what happens when your takes don't turn out, and you have to re-shoot tomorrow? its BACK to the store, for more dry ice. Thus you've wasted even MORE money and more time. With this, you can reuse it over and over, till you run out of juice, which if you buy one of that size, its going to be a LONG time before you run out
cyrax037 1 year ago
Thanks a lot, great technique.
WillFBryan 1 year ago
Or... Dry ice for about $1 a pound at most super walmarts... Just have to be over 18...
argetlam66600 1 year ago
that is cool
calmadoz 2 years ago
use dry ice. works better.
Yuethefox 2 years ago
I would of just add water to the mix.
agun17 2 years ago
thats a good idea, i might use this in my next film, keep up the good work, 5/5
95bradders95 2 years ago
Hmm...I can't help but wonder how much of a danger melting ice would be around the fog machine: something tells me there's an electrical hazard in this design.
Toolsquatch 2 years ago
@Toolsquatch I agree man! But the guys has a great video!
BCEntertainmentLive 1 year ago
@Toolsquatch perhaps, I didn't think about that, BUT there are lots of other designs online for fog chillers, that keep the ice contained in a separate box, so if that's a concern, just go for one of those type!
cyrax037 1 year ago
I fucking hait chu.
asspop123 2 years ago
wats with all the fricken toyota malibu ads?!??
guitarmasta96 2 years ago 2
that backround looks disgusting
ChrisnCristal 2 years ago 57
@ChrisnCristal looks like your moms vagina
mrmp34 1 year ago
video is qualty is like crap
howtobe10 2 years ago
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really stupid...
cmp2993 2 years ago
or you can put the fog jucie in the frige
King0fSand 2 years ago 2
the fog was flying away bc if you look at the box it says for indoor use. at least it says it on mine
Helljon23 2 years ago
Dry Ice Works Better I Think
boxer2285 2 years ago
Have you (the filmmaker) tried to change the ice inside the PVC-pipe to "dry ice"?
Well, I haven't but it could be possible, that there should come more frequent fog.
JProducterMaster 2 years ago
Fog Machine $20
Fog Juice $20
PCB Pipe $5
Wood $.75
Drill $20-50
extension cord $4-10
TxVIRUSx 2 years ago
using high qualty fog juice gives the same efect but a lot cheaper
lasergeak 2 years ago
I got a fog machine at target for 19.99
honest777 2 years ago
first of all about this vid, everything needs to be redone. the ice tube one needs a safe drain for the melted ice, so that way it dosent shorten out your fog machine for being so close and getting it wey, and 2, DO NOT put the hose over the nozzle, it needs to be about an inch away so the vapor can FULLY react with the oxygen and create fog. please redo this tutorial if you can keeping these in mind.
NickSlaughter669 2 years ago
I got one today for 40$ and it cools it so that it dose not do that :)
oldnoname12 2 years ago
so u gotta fill the thing up with ice every 25 mins ?
rockaholic19 2 years ago
no every 2 mins
lasergeak 2 years ago
Thanks for putting this on.
slouch92 2 years ago
:( fog machine are not 20 bcks there 50
chubbyies5 2 years ago
depends where ya get them
notsocomicaltv 2 years ago
where did u get urs do u have one?
chubbyies5 2 years ago
yep ebay for £15
but thats slightly more in dollars
probably about $20
notsocomicaltv 2 years ago
A good 250-300Watt machine would cost about that much. Most others are more expensive. I have a 1000Watt machine, got it for $85
dredbot 2 years ago
nice ediditng :)
ChickensRawsoome 2 years ago
when doing the slient hill movie i heard they used about 50 fog machines at once in some shots
BloodmoonInc 2 years ago
also water your lawn before and it sticks longer too
BoxedTalent 2 years ago 2
we do this on halloween. it works really well
HawaiianWhiteGuy 2 years ago
Your right it costs under 30 bucks, actually no it doesnt, because there is no way in hell you can buy that low amount of fog juice for just 10 seconds of fog, and you said earlier the container was 20, thats 43 bucks then
Apachaka 2 years ago
3:05 thankx
redskullsmusic 2 years ago
1:30 SNOZZLE!
norem4c 2 years ago
haha
prallworks 2 years ago
Fog machine's_nozzle
The previous word's s carrys over a little making it sound like snozzle.
Just saying...
zaksprops 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure he says snozzle...
norem4c 2 years ago
You could also take out the background noise of the fog machine with Audacity's "noise removal" effect. Instantly removes machinery, static, or other unwanted patterened noises. Just give it a selection of your noise, and Bam! Clean sound!
Plus, it's FREE!
dragonboyjgh 2 years ago 3
Definately agree, I use it so much, its an unbelievably useful tool.
Olsonstudios 2 years ago
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dragonboyjgh 2 years ago
I got a great shock off of a fog machine once working in a theatre. Its an electric object, so be very careful once your ice melts- perhaps raise your fog machine an incho or so so any melted ice runs away from the cables. :)
elliotoffscrubs 2 years ago
Awesome tip man!
hoyonjung 2 years ago 2
Gotta say, I was kinda chuckling at the beginning when you said "how to make fog, step 1 get a fog machine," but I was impressed with your end result :) It really does look great! But isn't dry ice cheaper (and quieter?) about $2/pound...
videomissionary 2 years ago 3
Dry ice is better for some situations, a fogger is better for others. You can't store dry ice, so you run the risk of either running out, or overshooting and wasting it. It can be dangerous, but if you're reasonably intelligent and can follow simple instructions, it's not a problem. You also need to keep your water hot for maximum effect.
On the other hand, it's the gold standard if you don't have electricity on hand. it's simple, quiet, compact and cold. It's ninja fog.
SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC 2 years ago 2
Thanks for the tip ill probabably do that instead
Wonky019 2 years ago
Pal, you just saved my upcoming film xD
Myrth1 2 years ago
Thanks! At My best buy there fog machine costs $40 bucks and is a mini fog machine!
PhilKun00 2 years ago
nice project
Deepakfury 2 years ago
there are actually fog machines that have a built in compartment for ice these are called "Ground Foggers" mines cost 50 bucks and work great
dashizl 2 years ago
i did the same thing except with dry ice it works great!
Documentations555 2 years ago
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maybe because i am not a nerd like you.. bitch......
1h181e1r 2 years ago
Since when is correct spelling for nerds ?
CoolCalmJames 2 years ago 3
you look like a nerd too... and there are are such things as typos....
1h181e1r 2 years ago
Yes i know but i like typing shit like you to piss people off.
CoolCalmJames 2 years ago
your still just a dumbass nerd
1h181e1r 2 years ago
Says the guy commenting for times on a video that he thinks is gay.
CoolCalmJames 2 years ago
if he's a nerd then you take cocks in your ass. die in a fire sampfag
itsumonihon 2 years ago
this doesnt concern you so shut the fuck up!
1h181e1r 2 years ago 3
you shut up
itsumonihon 2 years ago
Those are really good tips... nice demo
Well done. This information comes just in time for a project I'm currently working on.
Keep innovating, it saves time for the rest of us.
FIVE STARS
HTCSWEOD 2 years ago
to make it come out faster and thicker pull the tube about 1/4 of a foot away from the fog machine
Halo3tactics098 2 years ago
Whats with your lips dude
GoneBamboocha 2 years ago
dude u sound like a faggott and ur a fucking nerd...
SiCivicJJ5595 2 years ago
20 and 20 and more does not make 30 buks
cgriggs1996 2 years ago
ikr he is such a dumbass
1h181e1r 2 years ago
thats really awsome did u try it with dry ice instead of real ice?
suicide5389 2 years ago
be careful with the water coming from the ice, it can short circuit your fog machine... use dry ice instead
MICROmor 2 years ago
were did you buy yours?
dhfwp12 2 years ago
can u use something else than a pvc pipe?
123456789mattwell 3 years ago
1:32
norem4c 3 years ago
he looks like a foggot when he dropped the ice into the bowl. =]
1h181e1r 2 years ago
And you look like an idiot when you can't spell correctly. :)
iguanian 2 years ago 17
@iguanian amen to that in general...Tso...delicious.
LRBScarecrow 1 year ago
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norem4c 3 years ago
nice
SpecialFxKid 3 years ago
that is really good, the only thing is, is that the heat from the original fog would melt the ice faster than usual so you'd have to keep topping it up with ice. 5 stars tho, great vid.
beardies4eva 3 years ago
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beardies4eva 3 years ago
it's not the fog machine that dictates the density it's the density of glycol in the fog juice
05clenharth 3 years ago
Wow, really smart. How did you ever think of that..?
FiremageFilms 3 years ago
SMART!!!!!!!!!!
Totally using this!!
heavenseek 3 years ago
hey dude, it's a old trick. in stage shows we use this for a long time. We make floormist with CO2..called dryice. put a litle in a glass of water..see what happens..Be carefull for burns. it will burn youre skin. Great to see you how you fiks this wth just a pipe, ice and tape...smart dude :)
peetenjo11 3 years ago 2
nice thanks man im so doing this haha
Marzyxx 3 years ago
dump ass editing
sunnyatscot 3 years ago
Your problem with the thin fog is the fogger. Don't buy a cheap party store fogger, if you just get a professional Chauvet, American DJ, or Martin fogger your problem will be solved.
(not the problem with it rising.. the unrealistic think fog)
HopScotchN64 3 years ago
The whole idea is to get it cheap. No one wants to buy an expensive fog machine, when for a couple bucks, you can make your original one better.
FiremageFilms 3 years ago
Well you don't even have to get a professional one, walmart foggers are the best. They're $15 and create a whole lot denser fog than that one.
HopScotchN64 3 years ago
thats a good one...nice
shmed1 3 years ago
i have that same one lol
Gigajie2 3 years ago
home depot, lowes or any hardware store
Shadowmaster939 3 years ago
or break a pipe in your home and use that!
RaysRaves 3 years ago 6
lool the person that gave u one negative has no sense of humour
dnt worry i gave u a positive, ur back to ZERO! like any other loser ;)
ned316 3 years ago
dont do that i bought a cheaper beter machine with really thik fog that runs on just air fo 3 quid on a reptile website
Jdec750 3 years ago
Wow your a smart one
dumb ass
dolphinslayer77 3 years ago
cool
fatality103 3 years ago
I prefer dry ice and water. a lot cheaper and much denser fog.
DonHoraldo 3 years ago
That is brilliant dude. We're definately using this next we make a movie. :D
FlareStoneVII 3 years ago
you have to be carefull with how much ice, over do it and the fog wont get out of the machine properly, posibly and break it
daniel2008almond 3 years ago
This wouldn't be a problem. The PVC pipe doesn't make a tight seal. There is plenty of room for excess pressure to vent out the sides.
rmessenger 3 years ago 4
A honyecomb pattern on the end will make a steadier stream, it will iron out the turbulence cause by the smoke.
jamescatania 3 years ago
that tape won't hold for long when the water starts melting. try using better tape or maybe drill holes in the bottom of the pipe to allow the water to get out withour hitting the tape. but nice design
Johnny5isthebest 3 years ago
1. thats a CHEAP fog machine its more "smokie"
I bought one for about lets say 70 bucks very low noise great fog and its small :)
Ieonman 3 years ago
The fog density has little to do with the machine it self, It has to do with the ratio of Glynal/water. Wile the heating element the hotter it gets handles the ratios diffrently ultimately the liquid effects the fog. As for the sound of the machine, that machine was fairly quite. the hissing sound is standard for all fog machines includeing 600 buck industrial machines, and fixed with a nossle silencer. However the noise complaints you hear about cheap machines is from the pump not the hissing.
Lokivoid 3 years ago
omfg awsome!!!!!
zezima0619 3 years ago
interesting :D
fjeew2k 3 years ago
i should do this for halloween
sexynerdyboy 3 years ago
Great Tutorial!
Lonewolf0840 3 years ago
if you want to direct your fog and have some freedome with this thing, just do exacley the same thing but instead of a log tube use a sewage hose from an rv store or any kind of bendable hose fore an easer shot.
thechris44 3 years ago
Poke some holes in the tubing and completely clog the end of the tubing up ALL the way. fog should only leak slightly from the mouth, otherwise, all of the fog should ONLY come through the holes. It traps the fog, cools it, and makes it more dense. So it will stick to the ground, and skim under light wind.
Kxixx 3 years ago
oh and in the list of expenses you forgot to mention the pvc pipe jackass
gunfight1 3 years ago