LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL IN AFGHANISTAN / DESCENDENTS OF JEWS 3/3 (ISLAM AHMADIYYA)

[uzijacuzie]

The promise has been fulfilled by the promised Messiah in qadian

[TerminalEternal]

Have there been dna tests done on all of therse people, are they all decnedants of israelites? have they returned to Israel?

[sakiusad]

I still have a hard time believing that the Pashtuns can be part of the lost tribes of Israel, since Y-DNA shows that nearly 70% of Pashtuns are Hg R1a1. And the Levant Hg J2 exists in really small quantities 2-5%.

[JesusisYHWH1]

the only thing you have the luxury of having is a lying thoughts,and a heart of a coward, you blocked me elmdub, and removed my last comments of a few hours just to look like you won the debate, and you had the last word! Your a fake, you have to live with yourself and your fallible religion!

[JesusPassedAway]

@JesusisYHWH1 I requested you in my previous comment not to post too many comments at one single time as it disrupts the flow of discussion. Despite that, you posted 26 comments all in one go. 26 comts! How is that going to help our discussion? Do you expect me to answer every single comment of yours? This is disruption of highest order. When I saw the number of posts as 26 on my email, I simply deleted your comments and blocked you because I don't want to argue things for the sake of it.

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub I have the luxury of reading and analysing different scriptural (including Jewish, Muslim and others), medical and historical evidence to have the belief about Jesus' survival from this accursed death on the cross and then his migration towards East and his natural death in Kashmir. Trust me it is not based on conjecture! By the way Ahmadi Muslims are not the only ones to have this belief, watch this: /watch?v=zqp2bgB5DmE

Please reply to my previous comments too.

[elmdub]

where is the logic? Or even it's sequence? So at the end of it your just stating your opinion not factual interpretations, and the text accuses of christians and jews of conjectures, in Islam there is conjecture about what the text and what really happened to Jesus, hypocrisy!

[elmdub]

how was he crucified when it says crucified not? Vs157

How did he survive it if he was never crucified? How was he there not long enough if he was crucified not?

2.and why was it appeared for him to be dead, if he was not crucified, contradiction?

3. And moreover why was he raised unto Allah if He wasn't crucified nor dead?

Why did it appear to the Jews for Jesus to had been killed if he wasn't crucified? It's illogical!!

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub 1. One is only declared as crucified if he DIES ON THE CROSS. A person who is put on the cross is not declared as one being crucified. Quran only rejects his DEATH on the cross. 2. He appeared to be dead because he went into a state of swoon. He didn't die on the cross hence not crucified. NO CONTRADICTION. 3. Because his enemies wanted him be proved to be accursed of God and be far from God, but God raised his status and honour. It were his enemies who were accursed. ITS LOGICAL!

[elmdub]

the swoon theory is IMPOSSIBLE to apply because of vs.159 the ahmadiyyans embracing of the swoon theory is even condemned by mainstream,traditional, and orthodox sunni Islam as heretical, which adapts the substitution theory..

[elmdub]

vs 159 confirms this in surah 4. "and on the day of resurrection He WILL be a witness, against them'' even more it says '' and before his death'' creating two possible interpretations of this verse or the account or the death of jews or christians. Or both can be applied to some muslims..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub The verse doesn't talk about Jesus' life at all, it only says that Jews and Christians will die believing until their death (before his death) that he died an accursed death, but Jesus will be a witness against them on the day of judgement that he didn't die this accursed and humiliating death. Simple as that.

[elmdub]

is Yesua in 19:33 is raised alive, is this a spiritual journey? But it uses the same word. Meaning raised. It was literal in surah 4, just as it was literal for 19:33, was jesus born in the spiritual sense to a spiritual journey here as well? But of course you would not answer my last two question the last time but keep on ranting misconceptions..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub As I said earlier the words are not the same in both the verses. Even if they were, it would have made no difference. There is a context to every verse. Anyway verse 19:33/34 uses the term "ub'athu". Such raising is mentioned by Quran in regards to every single soul after death in the following words: "And He it is Who gave you life, then He will cause you to DIE, then will He GIVE YOU LIFE AGAIN. Surely, man is most ungrateful." (22:66/67). I will provide more references if you want.

[elmdub]

'bal RAF'A aAhu Allahu ilayhi' the word is the same word used in both ayats about the same subject, i.e raf'a. What a coincidence? But one means to spiritual journey pr status, but the other means literal raising alive, as coming back from the dead? Raising is raising, not some enhancement of the spirit. The text is irrelevant to JPA's poetical sense of 'spiritual journey' this was literal and physical for 4:158 as is 19:33 of the account of what happened unto Yesua the prophet..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub I thought we were having one to one discussion, why have you started addressing me as a third person suddenly is beyond me. Back to the topic now. First correction; The words in the verse weren't "I shall be raised alive" rather "I shall be raised back to life". Secondly the Arabic word in verse 19:33/34 is NOT "RAFA'A" rather "YUB'ATHU". This is the raising of the soul that everyone experiences after death. So did Jesus after his natural death...

[elmdub]

the term 'raf'a' is both used in both ayats in different accounts about the same subject. The life, and death of Jesus. But since JPA says it is spiritual journey NOW to the passage in 4:158 ,my question would be, is it spiritual journey here as well?

[elmdub]

Jesuspassed away who i have been dialoguing with said that raised means spiritual journey but first he said that 'raised unto Allah' means 'spiritual status or honor' in sight of Allah. Let's look at the term raised (raf'a) it is the same term or word in arabic that's used in 4:157, 158 is also used in 19:33

[elmdub]

that was vs.33 if one as a true follower of Yesua has a dialogue with a Muslim, he or she might argue that 'the day i die' means his natural death', i.e not on the cross, and when said ' the day i shall be raised alive' the arguement im focusing on is not the natural death claims, is the raised alive part. They will argue that refers to the day of resurrection, fine, however-

[elmdub]

the Qur'an gives an account in surah 19 of the mother of Jesus being visited by the angel, and told her of the coming birth of the messenger of Allah, and the account fast fowards to the words of the mess., and it says that he pract spoke in his cradle saying, " Peace upon Me the day i was born, and the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"

[elmdub]

three words make up your comments, contradiction,speculation, and opinionation, out of 5 comments you only gave me like three references of what the Qur'an says.. Not very good akhi. But i will proceed for you will only fall deeper into the ditch of lying for your version of Islam. You didn't even answer not even One of my two ques, in my last two comments..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Before, you accuse me of "lying" for my version of Islam, I would advise you to keep the discussion to the topic it is and not to side track it to personal attacks. You neither know me personally nor you know anything about my intentions. I would also request you to keep your comments to 3 or 4 maximum and not write so many comments, when you are so concerned about me answering every single bit of your comment. If you need reference to any of my previous comments, just ask.

[elmdub]

surah 23:50,51 doesn't say anything aboug them going anywhere but that Allah gave them refuge on high ground, a place of rest, security and flowing streams, and if it was some where you can't come up with a y place of your liking it says that he protected them this when Jesus was going to be killed by King Herod as a child.. It doesnt even say north,south, east or west! How do you come up with these conclusions brother, you should follow Al' Haq.

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub I have not just come up with a place of my liking, latest independent pieces of research have found Jesus' presence in the East including Afghanistan, Iran, India. His grave has been found in Kashmir too. There is a reason why he came to this area of th world. You are commenting on a video that explains why he came here. Quran doesn't talk about King Harod as a threat to Jesus and his mother's safety. Watch this bbc documentary: /watch?v=zqp2bgB5DmE

[elmdub]

didn't stay on the cross for long? Your Qur'an say's He was crucified not, Never there my friend! And it says it wasn't Him it was another man who looked like Him! Your playing ring around the rosies with me, your not true to your Qur'an I see, do you even read it often?

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub There is no mentioning of "another man being put on the cross instead of Jesus" in the Quran. The words are "he was made to look like one (who died on the cross)". ie. he went into a state of swoon that was taken as his death by his enemies. Simple as that. There is no arabic word in this vese that talks about another man being put on the cross instead. I read Quran often with the grace of God. This is why Jesus has a great place in my heart.

[elmdub]

you have contradicted yourself on here so many times its not even worth debating with you anymore all your going to keep doing is making stuff up. You said Jesus survived death on the cross? When your Qur'an says He was crucified not? And secret disciple where in the Qur'an or Bible?lol,

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Well, one is only declared to be killed or crucified if the attempts of killing a person on the cross or through other means are successful. If somebody shoots a man, but the man survives, would you call such a person as being killed? Quran doesn't deny the fact that Jesus was put on the cross, it only negates the cruel idea that he died an accursed death. Quran doesn't deny the attempts of his enemies to see him killed in an accursed way. They were not successful in their attempts!

[elmdub]

How was He scared if part of His message was this, Matt 10:28! HE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ACCURSED DEATH Matt 26:53! Vs. 54 answers the reason Why he had to go that way in pouring his soul unto death, plus He knew what was to happen after doing that Mk 10:33-34 He prophesied His own death!

[elmdub]

submitting unto God is not pouring your soul unto Death, is pouring your soul unto Life, Deutoronomy 30:19! Yesua said in the Garden acc, 'the flesh is weak, but the spirit is indeed willing' in other words He was ready to do what the Father showed Him to do. He wasn't scared of death-

[elmdub]

First you said, that surah 4:157,158 meant Allah raising Jesus to a higher level of honor and spiritual status, and now you say it means, spiritual journey upwards toward Allah? NO! because even the Qur'an it says, raising Jesus to Allah HIMSELF, NOT Allah raising Jesus Himself, the big word is to! To where Allah dwells, and that He on the day of resurrection will be a witness against them! HE RAISED JESUS UNTO HIMSELF ON BODY AND SPIRIT! Resurrection!

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Ones' spiritual status and honour is only increased when a person makes his spiritual journey towards God. Such a journey is always from a lower level to a higher level. One doesn't need to make a physical journey to be close to God, God is everywhere as Quran clearly tells us in numerous places. This is why Allah says in Quran: "...He (God) hath RAISED you in ranks some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He hath given you..." (6:164/165) Nothing about physical resurrection!

[elmdub]

surah 37:99 did not mean Allah raise him unto himself, like it says in 4:157,158. this was Ibrahim saying im going to my Lord for Him to guide me, that means prayer, he was going to consult with Allah. Vs.100 comfirms this, he says, 'Lord grant me my offspring from the righteous, Prayer nothing about Allah raising him unto Himself, but Ibrahim went to Allah by his own merit not Allah's.

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub According to Quran, Allah Almighty doesn't physically reside in some one place. His presence according to Quran is everywhere. He is the Light of Heavens and the Earth, and then Allah says in Quran that God is even nearer to a man than his jagular vein. Then Allah says in Quran that when my servant calls me, tell me I am Near. So journey towards God is always spiritual not physical.

[elmdub]

I say this because it is obvious its not even in the same era, for ex.. Vs.12 says, 'many bulls have surrounded me, strong ones of Bashan, but the bulls of Jesus was from Jerusalem, bulls symbolically meant his persecuters, but going through the same thing. Psalm 22 lastly ends with a prophetic undertone in vs.29

[elmdub]

it says from the horns of the wild oxen, different, lets read the pure text., sec. These aren't the literal words of Jesus, these were the words of his great grandfather King David these are were that allegorically referred to Jesus, they had similar experiences.. There state of mind while going through the same thing was the same.

[elmdub]

You say to read the NT with a pure heart? You do not know my heart brother, it's evil to judge me falsely, i don't doubt your sincerity to your truth, don't doubt mine. Save me from the lion's mouth, confirms that he was IN something. And he knew that he could be saved. If your in a lion's mouth, your not going to be alive. It doesn't say save me from the horns of the unicorn..

[elmdub]

to Jesuspassedaway, he truly did pass away, but he resurrected from the dead! What is the surah where it says Allah raised Yesua unto HIMSELF? Or shall i reference it myself? If raise means status, so then Allah raised him unto the status of Allah?

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Same expressions such as "raising of a prophet or a chosen towards God" have been used for people other than Jesus in Quran too. About Prophet Lut God says: “And Lut believed in Him, and he said: I am FLEEING to my LORD, surely He is the Mighty, the Wise.” (29:26) then Prophet Ibrahim is reported in the Quran saying: “He said: 'I will GO to my LORD! He will surely guide me!” (37:99) Nothing about one getting the status of God. Spiriutal journey upwards is always towards Allah!

[elmdub]

it was descriptive where it would be literal is in fulfillment in the coming King of the Jews the psalm says and he was going to be laid in the dust of death vs.15 the way the coming King survived permanant demise after dying is vs.24 'when he cried to Him for help, he heard.'

And he resurrected hoshea 13:14 from the power of the grave I ransom them, from death i redeemed them. Death where are your thorns?, O grave, where is thy sting? Taunting death..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Psalms 22:15: "My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death." These are words spoken by Jesus to God at the time of utter desparation. He further prays: "SAVE ME from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. " These were the prayers that were heard by God: "but when he cried unto him, HE HEARD. " These are not the words of somebody who is "volunatarily offering" oneself!

[elmdub]

never concludes with the author escaping persecution from those that was performing it, the author was still hoping the Lord would save Him, it never concludes with Him saving Him, but your right it doesn't conclude with his demise neither, the persecution he endured is in description in the psalm, he wasn't literally gettin his hands n feet pierced-

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Read New Testament with pure heart too and you will see nothing but survival of Jesus's death on the cross and his secret migration. Jesus suffered the ultimate for the cause of spreading the message of God. His enemies wanted to see him die an accursed death and hence be driven away from God's presence. His legs weren't broken, he didn't stay on the cross for too long, his body was handed over to his secret disciple for treatment, ointments were applied on his body by his disciples...

[JesusPassedAway]

...he then shows up to his disciples alone after three days in the dark AWAY FROM JEWS. Meets with his disciples and confirms that he is not his own ghost when asks them to touch his body and see he is the same person, eats with them, migrates about 70-100 miles away to Galilee. Quran about his migration says: "And We made the son of Mary and his mother a SIGN, and gave them REFUGE on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water." (23:50/51)

Pretty good description of Kashmir

[elmdub]

because He poured his soul unto death, and then the Father prolonged His earthly days through the resurrection, Islam teaches resurrection no denying that. PSALM 22

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Jesus was persecuted for his faith and for preaching whatever God commanded Him to. He almost gave his life for this cause. He experienced near death experience. He said "not mine, but YOURS WILL BE DONE". Eventhough he didn't like it, but He submitted Himself to the will of God Almighty. In this way he pourd his soul unto death, but God heard His chosen one and saved Him from this death (as Quran confirms it) and made was for him to have a long peaceful active life!

[elmdub]

for the sin of many, but the Father made His days prolonged.

Vs.12 shuts this case that He died, " Because he poured his SOUL unto DEATH, and the servant bore the sins of many in the same verse that's part of the judgement of Messiah, why did God give Him a portion with the great?

[elmdub]

this judgement of death was given by the Father in the Isaiah acc. And it was inevitable and inescapable. The judgement was the crushing of the Servant, and He made HIMSELF an offering of guilt. Offering? Like a offering of sin? Like the lamb? Led to the slaughter? This was the indication that He was to experience death-

[elmdub]

how come the account of where He asks the Father to pass this cup is good enough to use for your swoon theory but not the next part? He knew that the Father had to go through it with Him and He did not want to go through a shameful Death as being the Father in the flesh but it was approved by the Father-

[elmdub]

the implication is vivid in lang, He was appointed a grave with the wrong, this part of the verse is where your implication relies on, but the next part is as clear as day and Daniel 9 confirms it. Very clear.

[elmdub]

i guess you want to cont publicly, you said it, the only way life is prolonged is if there is an end to it. His life was cut off, i have been saying this all along, i didn't say anything about this life being everlasting. "There is no mentioning of everlasting life after death in the verses?" there is no mentioning of Him escaping that judgement that was laid on Him not by man but by God His Father, it says, yet it please the Lord to crush Him-

[elmdub]

send me messages i will respect your opinion and responses..

[elmdub]

i can show any Muslim where in the Quran it confirms every word of NT. In it says Yesua was The word of Allah, that's exactly what Yesua is in John 1:1-3, i apologize for making a debate on your video, if you want more dialogue with someone who is understanding of Quran, Torah, and Injil, do so.. SALAM/SHALOM

[elmdub]

how is Daniel 9 about Jesus death, forget about on the cross his death period, this chapter is the clearest reference of Messiah dying, not lile Isaiah 53 that calls the Messiah suffering servant, this is MESSIAH, this is the dude that the children of ISRAEL, been expecting, it says in vs. 26 Messiah 'shall'(There goes that word again) CUTT OFF, and vs.27 what happens when he is cutt off? He shall make an END to slauterings 'animal sacrifices' for sin. This is not the ONLY job of Messiah

[elmdub]

That was the point the followers of Yesua were persecuted for, because they did not want to share their God with no one, that was Yesua mission on earth to bring the kingdom to EARTH NOT ONLY TO ISRAEL.. The Quran is inaccurate concerning Yesua al Messi,

[elmdub]

according to the OT n NT the Most High has not forsaken His covenant with His people, he doesn't react like us human beings he is ALL Merciful, he doesn't hold grudges like us humans you ask forgiveness he will be their to pick you up from where you fell and will guide you once again, He will punish, but he will not forsake US.

[elmdub]

so if he had died, because the text is irrefutable about Messiah dying, how shall he SEE a Seed, how are his days prolonged? Because he rose from the dead! Vs.12 because he poured his soul unto death, and he was counted with sinners or transgressors, He bore the sin of many; now you can't say this is the corrupted new testament this the Hebrew Scriptures, and Jews don't believe that a man cannot die for their sins? even if its not Yahshua, the text still says the servant will!

[JesusPassedAway]

...There is no mention of everlasting life after death in these verses. The words are "PROLONG HIS DAYS". If Jesus had truly come back to this everlasting life from literal death, it should have been I will "bring him back to enternal life from this death." Life is prolonged only if there is an end to it. Life is extended not made everlasting. Also had Jesus been part of God himself, why would he "prolong" his own life? Read Bible with pure heart brother, God will guide you...

[JesusPassedAway]

...Read other verses of Bible too that are understood to indicate Jesus' death on the cross by Christians of today, and you will see nothing but the prophecies about HIS SURVIVAL FROM THIS ACCURSED DEATH. Jesus prayed to God "SAVE ME from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns." (Psalms 22:21) Result: "For he hath NOT despised NOR abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; NEITHER hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he HEARD." (Psalms 22:24)

[elmdub]

ahki this my the book of books i have read it carefully, now lets see if you have, Isaiah 53: 8 he (messiah) shall be Cut off from the land of the living? Vs.9 He was appointed a grave with the wrong, and with the rich in his DEATH! Because he had done NO Violence!

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Brother, this is the judgement that was given against Jesus under the pressure of his enemies. He was judged to be cut off from the land of the living (accursed death on the cross). He was appointed grave with the wrong and they wanted his death be with such people. He was put on the cross because of no crime of his own. He said what God commanded Him to relay to the people.

[elmdub]

the Qur'an or Islam states Isa or Yesua was thought to be killed, because Allah deceived them into thinking so, but that he didnt. Instead he went to egypt and died and buried in a tomb. That is the total opposite of what you wrote. After the "deception" of Allah...

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Many Jews thought that Jesus was a false prophet. If God willed they could have accepted the truth. Does that mean, God deceived them into thinking that Jesus was a false Messiah? The fact is that Jesus was put on the cross, he just didn't die of his injuries. Pilate never wanted to see Jesus die like this. He did everything first openly and then secretly to save Jesus from this death. Jesus went into a swoon and Pilate saw that as the best opportunity to hand Jesus to his SECRET DISIPLE

[elmdub]

God is not racistmy brother, true, very true, however you have to admit he revealed himself to the Jews from the beginning and elected them to be a priestly nation to usher in the bigger picture for the rest of the nations..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub I don't believe only Jews were the chosen ones of God. Jews were the chosen ones of God for as long as they kept the commandments of God humbly. Same is the case with every other nation of the world. God chooses whosoever He pleases and not just the Jewish race. There is no doubt in the fact that there were a long chain of Jewish prophets sent by God and they were then the chosen ones of God. According to Quran, God sent warners and prophets to EVERY NATION OF THE WORLD.

[elmdub]

the Messiah was supposed to die an accursed death according to Jewish scripture, Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, so if he is the Messiah as the Quran states and affirms you have to believe in the fact that the only way he was considered the Messiah is if he fulfilled those OT scriptures!

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Brother, read Isaiah 53 again carefully. It is talking about Jesus' survival from that accursed death and long life. Read verse 10:"...he shall SEE [his] seed, he shall PROLONG [his] DAYS, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in HIS hand." Jesus was certainly put on the cross, but he didn't die of his injuries. God listened to the supplications of His chosen one and th bitter cup of accursed death was taken away from him. How is Daniel 9 talking about Jesus' death on the cross?

[elmdub]

the whole of Islam's objective was to elevate the Arab people over the chosen ones i.e Israel. because the whole Quran's subject is how three people are wrong in the sight of God Jews, Christians, and Polytheists which the founders thought as all the same if they didn't embrace the new religion..

[JesusPassedAway]

...God is not a racist and no one race has any superiority over any other. According to Islam He has sent His prophets to ever nation of the world at different times in history. Whenever there has been a need of a prophet God anywhere in the world He has sent them for the guidance. There was a long chain of Jewish prophets sent by God over the years and those who accepted them humbly were chosen ones. Israelites were chosen ones as long as they kept the commandments of God humbly...

[elmdub]

also the disciples and first followers up to the end of that century was prodominantly Jewish, they proclaimed that message tha He is the foretold and promised Messiah, that's the whole injil! But the Jews didn't believe that coming from their own people what makes you think they are going to listen to people 600 yrs after? And of a different location?

[JesusPassedAway]

...Well the God who was the God of Adam, Krishna, Buddha, Abraham, Moses, Jesus so on and so forth is the same God who was the God of Muhammad too. So time spans don't matter. The God who sent the message to all of his past prophets also sent message to Holy Prophet Muhammad. Those who see it from this angle in an honest and unbiased way understand the message of Islam very easily.

[elmdub]

and Islam didn't need to reiterate that he was the Messiah of Israel n the nations; for that's why we have the New Testament for. ISLAM was a socio-political aspiration of the nomadic tribes who were ancient enemies of the Jewish people to fight fire with fire by high jacking their concept of the one G-d to get into the mind of their enemy, i.e Israel.

[JesusPassedAway]

...The "believers" of New Testament misunderstood the message completely and accepted the point that he died an accursed death. Islam gave Jesus the due respect he deserved and made it clear that he certainly didn't die an accursed death. God saved His chosen one and made ways for him to migrate to the EAST and reach to the rest of 10/12 tribes of Israel and complete his mission of reaching to all the 12 tribes of Israel.

[elmdub]

my brother in humanity i must differ the Quran states that Yesua al mesia was raised unto Allah so he was raised unto Allah spiritualluy but his body went to the east? So he was a soulish spiritless humanbeing roaming earth? Who teaches that the spirit is the life in man without spirit the body is not capable of existing. I don't know what Quran says this..

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Brother, you have completely misunderstood my comment about Jesus' raising. We certainly don't believe that his spirit was lifted without the body. I am talking about his spiritual rank, honour in the eyes of God. It is not the spirit or "ghost" I am talking about. Quran talks about such "raising" of other God's chosen ones as well. His enemies wanted to see him die an accursed death while God raised his honour and it were the enemies themselves who were frustrated and accursed...

[elmdub]

according to Islam Jesus did not die, he was raised by allah, he did not go to the east as Jesuspassedaway asserts. Islam is a usurpation of the Jewish religion and the religion of the ancient enemoes of Israe. YESHUA is the Mashiach Quran conforms it but muslims have a small concept of what the jewish scriptures describes messiah to be!

[JesusPassedAway]

@elmdub Brother according to Quran Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. He was not raised physically or bodily. Quran only makes it clear that he neither got killed on the cross nor was he killed by any other way. His enemies wanted to see him die an accursed death while God raised him towards Himself (ie. his status and honour). Quran gives a vry good indication as to where Jesus and his mother took refuge after surviving death on cross. Islam is not usurpation of any religion rather msg from same God

[Welle92]

@JesusPassedAway these jews are waiting for a messiah wich is the false messiah, Masiah Ad-Dajjal.. and the lost tribes will join? the afghans are also of the lost tribes but they will fight the jews armageddon(according to islam).. it is confusing

[JesusPassedAway]

@Welle92 The fight against the Dajjal is not literal, rather a spiritual fight with prayers and rational arguments. Islam came to win hearts and not territories. Islam has been under attack for the last 100 years or so through pen. The fight against this attack is through the power of pen too. This is the Jihad against them today. Like for like response is what Islam permits. Imam Mahdi has already come and his Jamaat is winning the hearts of millions under the guidance of Khilafat-e-Rashida.

[hebrewjamal]

this is a joke... they are not israelites

they real israelites are black.

[delmaroeb]

The question is who was Allah for Muhmmaud's father? The teaching came through his father's father Abd al Muttalib. According to the evidence Allah has confused many because Allah equals to Hubal which equals to Baal. Now isn't that fascinating? The rules of many changes. We should know that anyone preaching hate is not from God but possessed by evil. I don't care if is in the name of Christianity, Islam, Jewish etc.

[JesusPassedAway]

@delmaroeb Well there is only one God. You can call Him whichever good name you wish, but it doesn't change the fact that there is only one God. People of the past called Him with different names and there is every possibility that some called Him with the name of Allah. There is every possibility that some earlier prophet of God was also told the name of God as Allah. Anyway, Islam certainly came for peace and this is its purpose. Watch true Islam in its practice today: /watch?v=lWVqtk_pkLI

[kharaj00]

i really appreciate this guy .he has done so much research........instead of criticizing.......plz research ur own religion.......if this guy can come all the way from israeal to find the truths about hos own religion ,than why can u people do the same.........

[HighHeadJim]

The lost tribes are not descendants of Jews.

[AlterMondialiste1]

@HighHeadJim White Jews most of them are kazarian . The real jew are sephardim and haredim and some arabe mixing

[HighHeadJim]

@AlterMondialiste1 Right, but they have nothing to do with the lineage of the lost tribes. The lost tribes are Israelites, not Jews. Judah was but one of 13 tribes and has no right to the name Israel. That was passed from Abraham, to Isaac, from Isaac to Jacob, and form Jacob to Ephraim. Ephraim, one of the lost tribes, received the birthright of Israel, not Judah. Judah was only given the right to rule.

[elyaaaaas]

ohhhhh  yes and please try your best to take out this fool pplz from persian land afg finally i knew the father of this nationalist tribe please go to your home land and start anti islam activities in there as well

[maqbool39]

yes he israel people it wl be kindness to take these people of of arian land i mean afghanistan we wl be thankfull. take them away,,,from our country

[717sham]

@maqbool39

plz plz stop this nonsense.

this is not ur or my land, this is the land of ALLAH.

and i proud to be a muslim, i also hate jews.if u r muslim then plz change ur mind becous u r writing here but i don't know what is ALLAH decition about u.

let's split peace in the world.

THANKS

[JesusPassedAway]

@717sham Holy Quran states that there are people among the Jews and Christians who love Allah and act righteously, so we should always refrain from having hate for any one whole nation. Such attitudes will do you no good. There are certainly people in almost every nation who create mischief on earth. We should not tarr everyone with the same brush because of the evil of some.

[delmaroeb]

@717sham How can you hate your brother? That is not from God. God is love and peace he is not to be hated. You are hating your brother. That is evil, and before you curse me see inside of yourself and find for your own without any teaching of other men the Truth because the Truth shall set you free. You have been deceive, yes you have. Allah is the same a Baal and to me my scriptures tell me that Baal is a Demon who's job is to confuse. Baal did the job and continues. End is coming.

[JesusPassedAway]

@delmaroeb Well, there is only one God. The God of Jews, the God of Christians, the God of Hindus, the God of Buddists so on and so forth. You call Him with a certain name while I call Him with the name of Allah. All the beautiful names are HIS. The God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna (peace be on them all) etc. is the same God who was God of Muhammad (pbuh) too. This is the truth and I am sure if you look at it with pure heart, it will truly set you free too.

[delmaroeb]

@JesusPassedAway Why do you say peace be on the Christ? No my friend Free is something that God puts in your heart. I don't need to Force any one to my God. But we can all agree that the most made and sold book of all time and on a yearly basis is the Christian Bible. The most members in any religion are also Christians. See John 1:1 says that Yashua the Christ the son of God was the Word and it also says that the Word is God. He also said "I am" and you know that was huge at that time.

[JesusPassedAway]

@delmaroeb Well the majority of the earth in my openion is athiest. They might have religious labels attached to them, but very few are the ones who truly follow the original paths of the prophets of God. Jesus was a son of God but in a metophorical sense, as all chosen ones of God are the children of God in this sense. Similarly, enemies of such true prophets and their communities are children of satan, not literally but in metaphorical sense. Not everything in Bible is in its original form :(

[delmaroeb]

@JesusPassedAway Well if you read some of the books that were unearthed (Jubilees) If you read the Book of Enoch the 7th from Adam who walked with God. It will shock you a bit. You are confused the bible has changed in the wording and not the meaning. Languages styles have changed. Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel. He is just not the son he is God. John 1:1 word

[JesusPassedAway]

@delmaroeb Jesus was a true servant of God who came to guide his Jewish people back to God. Jews did everything in their power to see him dying an accursed death on the cross and hence proven a liear. God made ways for him and he survived death on the cross and he migrated towards the East in search of these 10 lost tribes. How unfortunate it is that now his own so called followers want to insist that he died an accursed death. The meaning of Bible has completely been changed by them.

[delmaroeb]

@JesusPassedAway Jesus the Son of God also called himself God by saying "I am". Yashua (Jesus) ultimate job on earth was the sacrifice so that you and I accept him. So that the need of sacrifices by humans no longer will be need it. God knew the end at the beginning, he knows who will go and be in the kingdom of heaven. By the way the ignorance to think that we will continue to explore the things in earth in heaven is beyond comprehension. The completion of the sacrifice was to restore.

[JesusPassedAway]

@delmaroeb Lets hear the full statement of Jesus where he said "I am". There have been many interpolations anyway in the Bible, but lets hear what you have to bring, we will discuss it in full context. Please refrain from using Paul's writings.

[CRico860]

@JesusPassedAway There are many statements with "I am" John 8:12: Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I AM the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."John 10:9: "I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."John 10:11: "I AM the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

[JesusPassedAway]

@CRico860 He was certainly a true prophet of God. He was the light of the world as he came as a light for the Jews of his time who were wandering in darkness. He gave spiritual life to those who followed him. Even Holy Prophet Muhammad once said that he was made the "seal of Prophets" even before Adam was in his initial stages of creation. Quran also speaks of him as the "vaseela" (Doorway) to heaven. That doesn't make him God. Jesus sacrificed so much for his people. All prophets did!

[teatap]

Also the Messiah has Arrived:

Hazarat Mirza Gullam Ahmad (as)

Read: alislam . org / topics / jessus

Ahmadiyya Muslaim Association

[JesusPassedAway]

Brother teatap, the link is not entirely correct, it is: alislam . org / topics / jesus

Wassalam

[iorixs]

the promise is probably conditional on certain principles related to the law