Watch Kobe when he doesn't have the ball in his hands on offense, sometimes he's just a statue. He doesn't move around and try to get open or get out of the spot he's in so his teammates can find their sweet spot he just stands there and waits for them to chuck it up at the goal.
Yes and less not forget that Kobe just learned how to be a team player a few years ago, which is why he never won an mvp award and even that season Chris Paul still had a better season than he did. He STILL to this day struggles to be a team player, he STILL drives by his teammates when they're wide open, brings the ball up court and takes shots without passing, he STILL cannot figure out how to function without the ball in his hands. That mess would not fly on a lesser team.
the 50s and 60s defense were just terrible like wow watching this video made me agree even more, no defensive plays, no physical defense, guys are just standing there maybe thats why so many peoples stats were so dominant back then, on the other hand the real legends were in the 80s and 90s
My Top 10 Greatest Basketball Players List: 1. MJ 2. Kobe 3 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 4. Magic 5. Bill Russell 6. Larry Bird 7. Shaq 8. Wilt Chamberlain 9. Oscar Robertson 10. Tim Duncan 6.
@bng357 less team does n't mean less competiton but the opposite!back then wilt play vs russell about 8-10 games,the same vs pettit,belamy,reed,thurmond,lucas...now howard play vs 1-2 good centers 5 games and all the other vs varejao,milicic,haywood...teams win rings,not only one player!oscar,wilt,west even baylor were better idividual players than russell(he was better team-player but did n't have the same skills)and also had much better teamates!mj did n't lead bulls even conf.finals b4 pippen
@bng357 hahah...no it's actually tom sanders,he won 8 rings with 60's celtics!horry has more rings than mj!kobe no2?noway...he is great player but there were players who were more dominant in their era. 1.mj 2.wilt 3.kareem 4.magic 5.bird 6.oscar 7.russell 8.hakeem 9.shaq 10.kobe and j.west as concern NBA is n't better now,late 60's-early 90's was,and at pick was in 80's,the golden era!now it's less team game and less talent,more athletic player but most do n't have the main b-ball skills
@bng357 Why do you have Kobe ahead of Jabar, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain, Russell, and Robertson? Kobe should be behind all of them they've all had more impressive careers.
@blacktee31 Hi, Jordan put Kobe 2nd behind him. I put him 2nd too. A couple of weeks back Jordan said that Kobe is the closest to him because of his work ethic and his dedication to improve his game and win championships. I put championships as my main criteria. I put Kobe 2nd because Russell in those days don't get the same no. of teams nowadays. They play 80 games a year on 9 teams. So they play 10 games per team each. I would say competition is less back then during those times than today.
@bng357 What does Jordan's opinion have to do with anything? Kobe only even plays at the level he does because Phil Jackson was both Jordan and Kobe's head coach, they're the same size and played the same positions so of course Kobe would play similar to him, but he isnt better than the guys you put him ahead of based on that alone, that would be just silly. And just think of how tough the competition was compared to today. People didnt quit on defense and the refs would stop callin
@bng357 stop callin fouls all together. The competition today is weak, guys today get a small touch on their backs and they fall to the floor. If they get fouled a little hard then they lay on the ground tryin to get the flagrent. Players today are just plain soft and Kobe is one of them, he also gets a little bit of star treatment.
@blacktee31 That is why I put jabbar at #3. Even though he has 6 rings I think he got a little bit more help from Magic than Kobe did with Shaq with only 3 titles. And Kobe got the 2 with a player not in the top 10.
@bng357 He didn't get more help from Magic did than Kobe did from Shaq. Kareem was the team leader, Kobe isn't the captain, even after Shaq when Fisher came back they let him lead the team the year they beat Orlando in the finals. And even then you should have Magic over Kobe because Magic lead their team to a win playing all 5 positions with Kareem out of the line up with an injury.
I was rating my Top 5 Greatest Basketball Players and sad to say Oscar is not in the top 5 as they are saying. The reason why the players have teams and play against each other is to win and win championships. he can have triple double and be all around as long as he wants but if it will not win a game or a championship then it's useless.
it would be better for Big O to Score when the team needs him to score and pass when he realizes his teammate is hot.
@bng357 actually oscar won a ring,the reason did n't win more is the same reason wilt won only 2,j.west 1 and baylor 0!they face maybe the best team ever 60's celtics!they had russell,havlicek,s.jones,heinsohn,cousy,sharman and later howell,sanders,k.c jones!all are HOF and had most of them except the last 2 who were role players and great def but not stars!they also had one of the best coaches ever!i think oscar is easily top 10 and maybe top 5 ever!if rings are everything then sanders is top5
@AdreasTheGreat Hi, Thanks for commenting. Actually rings are everything. If u want to play basketball go play in the park. If u want to win a title then play in the NBA. June is what it all matters. You will say Bill Russell has 11 rings but the thing is that the competition during that time wasn;t so great there's only 9 teams competing and u face the 8 teams 10x. So thats 80 games in a yr. Basketball is better now than before - More scientific, technological, plays, systems, complicated etc.
@AdreasTheGreat When I mean rings is rings as a franchise player. Sanders is mainly a supporting player. The Franchise player during those times is Bill Russell and not Bob Cousy. We just had a debate with my friend. He said Derrick Rose will win a championship. I said no. Not at the way the team is set up. I said no point guard won the NBA championship as a franchise player except Isaiah Thomas back to back. And I told him the reason why - What are Pistons known for back then.
@AdreasTheGreat The Pistons are known as the Bad Boys. The only way Bulls will win with Rose is if they become tough. If they are the ones bullying and banging other teams. As a point guard at 6' and 6'1 you don't have much energy to carry the team if your a center or shooting guard. Teams will force you to around pick and rolls, run around screens, defend on the other side, deal with dirty plays, clotheslines, carry the ball, rebounds etc. You will expend energy rapidly. Now Rose is out 7 gms.
@bng357 well actually kobe won 2 rings as a francise player since shaq was the star in his 3 first rings!actually there are other pg who led their teams in champ,magic,j.west and frazier!all of them had many stars and great big men(something isiah and rose do n't have)in their teams but they actually led them!i totally disagree about kobe no 2?NOWAY!wilt,kareem,magic,bird,oscar,russell were for sure better and in my opinion hakeem and shaq were better to!mj did n't even say kobe no2 as sg,man!
@AdreasTheGreat I thought about it when I said as a franchise player even to my friend. But remember that Kobe is not really that far away from not being a franchise player with Shaq. i believe that they both are during that time. There is already friction. Shaq saw Kobe as a threat immediately. When they separated Shaq won a ring without Kobe but Kobe won 2 without Shaq. You don't trade your 7 foot center + some players to get a second string. 3-4 years is enough for a player to improve.
@bng357 totally disagree,it was obvious who the franchise player was in lakers the same way it was in 90's bulls!kobe was great but noway team's leader!stats and finals performances say the truth plus the fact that teams made double-teams(or even 3) to shaq and almost let the other unmarked!it was shaq who led lakers to champ for sure!kobe was great but was "the other guy" in that team!i am sorry but magic was a 6.9 pg,no other position could have career avr 12as p/g!
@AdreasTheGreat magic is not really a pure point guard. If you look at Wikipedia he's a guard/forward. he plays all positions actually he even played center on that game 7 when kareem was out on his rookie year. West was not the franchise player when he won it , it was wilt chamberlain. Frazier was not, it as Willis Reed on that 2 rings when he both got 2 Finals MVP and got into the top 50. Frazier was not even voted in the top 50. Franchise player is a go to guy.
@bng357 well in 70's lakers wilt was still great but he mainly had defensive role(rebounds,blocks) and was 3 option in offense!he was something like russell in 60's boston but west led in points.asists and steals and also had goodrich,who was a 25p player!fi agree that reed was knicks leader in 70's knicks,eventhough frazier led them in g7-36p,19as,7as-one of the best nba finals performances evr!but in 73 finals it was frazier who led knicks since reed suffer with injuries!
@bng357 actually frazier was in top 50 but i have to tell u that there are some players(wilkins,macadoo) who deserve to be in that list instead of parish or debbushere but that's another story!i agree,though,that is more difficult for a pg to lead a team to champ,but there are many dominated pgs who led their teams in finals!but in my opinion there should have a great big guy in their team and u are right,the only one who led his team without great big man was thomas but pistons had great def!
@AdreasTheGreat If you notice that on a 2-2-1 offensive situation with the point guard at the top of the key the franchise player will always be the either of the 4 positions except the point guard which is at the top of the key. You always want to get a focal point to start with and then adjust to the defense. Forward and Center under the basket and SG on the 3 and 4 spot like Kobe and MJ will switch on either sides of the floor.
@bng357 u can't say kobe is no2 ever,when is no2 sg ever(maybe slighlty better than west) and don't put the best centers(wilt,kareem,russell,hakeem),best p.guards(magic,oscar) and best sf(bird)!all those players were more dominated than kobe and had more achievements to!
In my memories of watching Oscar play, it was as if he expressed a thought of "Well, I'm going to shoot now from this spot and make a basket," and he just did it--as though if there was no one else around him to stop him. It was so casual.
I grew up in a Milwaukee suberb, watching the Bucks in the late 1960s and early 70s. Oscar's game was complete; he was dang good around and under the basket -- but his jump shot was so silken and beautiful -- an example of just how gorgeous a great athlete can be at his (or her) best:) --
@rah2fizzle if oscar had today's training technic that improves the power,the vertical leap,the speed....with the skills he had would be unbelievable and kobe would n't even stand next to him.i am bored of young kids who think that kobe and lebron are the best ever....poor kids!
He is much like Wilt, he could only win one ring while putting up gaudy numbers.... Oscar was teamed with a guy who was almost a 20/20 machine and could only manage to hover a bit above or below .500 save one 50+ aberration of a season until he joined a prime Kareem and one his one ring.
Oscar Robertson was and still is the greatest pound-for-pound basketball player ever! Michael 'Jesus' Jordan never averaged a 3-double! Couldn't come close to O.
Who's the best ever is subject to opinion. It's impossible to fairly compare players from different eras, but anybody who leaves him off their Top 10 doesn't know basketball. I saw Big O play just as I've seen Magic and MJ to Kobe and Lebron (and everybody in between). Oscar averaged 30/ 10 and 10 over a 5 YEAR period! That's amazing in any era. If anybody else did it even for a 5 GAME period, please let me know. (I mean with proof, not your guess).
@dave474c He might have done it with blocked shots too,if they had counted them back then. But it's all speculation though. What the Big O did is documented.
@emmettk Over a nineteen game stretch near the end of the 88-89 season, when Michael Jordan had begun to play the point position (in a fashion similar to Oscar Robertson and now LeBron James), MJ averaged 30.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, and 11.9 apg. I think that shows what kind of numbers he could have put up had he wanted to be the guy with the ball in his hands 85% of the time. I don't think you win championships that way, though. MJ also had 10 triple-doubles out of 11 games.
@Fantumh If your information is correct, it reinforces my reason for bringing the subject up. Everyone agrees that MJ is probably the greatest to ever lace 'em up. He did it for a 19 game stretch and I'll bet they won the majority of those games. My point is that I see many top 10 lists that don't even mention Oscar, and that is a travesty.
@emmettk The 19 game stretch was from 3/11 to 4/14. MJ finished the season averaging 8 rpg and 8 apg, and that was from playing the point position for only a third of the season. For the whole season, he probably would have averaged nearly a triple-double.
And anybody who doesn't place Oscar in the top 10 is not anybody worth listening to about basketball.
@Fantumh There's probably 20 people that all should be in a top 10 list, so you saying this is pretty retarded. Hell, I can name 6 centers off the top of my head that all deserve to be in a top 10 list Hakeem Kareem Wilt Shaq Russel Robinson Now a few SF Dr J Bird Baylor Havlicek And personally, if you look at all time lists, PF is probably the position that's extremely top heavy and could easily put several in a top 10 list. So you get where I'm going with this.
@emmettk Wilt did if they counted blocks those days. He got atleast 15 a game with his 25 rebounds and 50 points. Wilt Chamberlain greatest of all-time!
@emmettk Chamberlain, if you include the stats the didn't record. Wouldnt surprise me if he had 10 blocks a game in the early 60's. In that case, he has way more then the big O
@emmettk Michael Jordan in the 88-89 season. In fact, I think he averaged like 30/10/10 for the last month or two of the season, including 7 straight triple doubles and 11 triple doubles in a month.
@emmettk Agreed that Imo is more impressive considering he also shot 47% from the feild as a rookie, almost as much as Jordan who shot 51% as a rookie.
The bottom line is this...UNTIL SOMEONE CAN AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE IN THIS SOFT ASS NBA WE HAVE NOW...NOONE CAN MATCH UP IN COMPARISON...MICHAEL JORDAN IS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER TO EVER LIVE...THE BIG O PUT UP THE BEST STATS OF ANYONE WHO EVER LIVED...A TRIPLE DOUBLE AVERAGE IS ABSOLUTLY UNBELIEVABLE....THUMBS UP IF YOU THINK IT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN!!!??!!
First of all, assists were defined more stringently, second, they weren't allowed to "carry" the ball, third, most players back then couldnt dribble skillfully/with both hands, but robertson could. That said, lets look at the positives. this guy scored assisted and rebounded, all VERY WELL, atleast relative to his time...if he got transported to now, it would only be a matter of time before he adjusted. Hed be VERY effective today, if not in a WADE style. he has the heart of a champion
if weak oscar could handle it what makes you think these powerful beasts lebron wade kobe cant handle it nowadays they play smart defenses creating traps for superstars double teams scouting reports to see your tendecies honest
to god if lebron played back then he wouldve used his 6'8 270 pounds of muscle to finish strong under the basket are you telling me any of these guys could stop lebron when lebron is running full court. oscar didnt even have a proper shot
@4569262 Your a retard lol .. Oscar is legit , ask phil jackson fool. Lebron doesnt weigh 270lbs ahha u tard. Lebron is great dont get me wrong but he is no where near jordans level. Not even close .. he is a horrible character who will sell his soul for a ring .. fuck him
@4569262 LeBron is 6'7" 645. Oscar was 6'5" 235. The NBA measures players in shoes and has since 1985. I don't suggest anybody could stop LeBron or Kobe, now or ever.
But if you think defenses didn't use traps when O played it's simply because you didn't watch them. 60s Celtics defense is one of the most sophisticated of all time.
LeBron would not line up on Oscar, he'd line up on Chet Walker, Luke Jackson, Pettit, Nelson, Elgin. Those guys wouldn't care about muscle they had plenty of it.
@4569262 Oh yeah Elgin Baylor would have contained LeBron, so would Bob Pettit, Havlicek or Heinsohn.
The first time he flopped when a guy touched his chin, Chet Walker or Lucious Jackson would have slammed him up against the wall & made him beg for mercy. Lucas or DeBusschere would have been throwing up huge numbers on his feeble D
And THEN he'd have to get past Wilt, Russell, Bellamy, Thurmond, Unseld, Reed??!!
Matrix shut down LeBron at all key points in the Finals
fuckn stupid comments i swear to you take any average point guard in todays game transport them bac and they would be rippin shit apart if jordan and kobe could shut down elite players what makes they thing they can't shut down this slow one hand releaese guy that can't even handle the ball properly look at the video do you actually think think this guy is better than kobe lebron or jordan lol.
@4569262 If the league is more skilled today, how come Kobe just now passed Oscar's scoring record?
Seems like Kobe should have taken like 4 or 5 more seasons to get that many pts if today's league is so much better than back then. Kobe shoots 45% Oscar shot 48% - & they didn't split out 3s back then. Take it from a guy that watched O the last half of his career, that guy took a TON of 3s
What you just don't get, these guys invented modern ball, all players today watch Oscar's film. Believe it
@Vstrat0 look at the competion there is something called scouting reports there was no such thing back then.
Nowadays they set defenses up to contain kobe lebron wade technology is getting better and so is the game the video is proof oscar robertson would not be able to compete with players of today and be honest with one hand dribbling and push shot i don't think he would be suited for the d league are you telling me kobe wouldn't be able to shut him down.
@4569262 you gonna put O in some kinda time capsule & find out? or have him be born in '85 with the same technology everybody else has, & see how he does?
If the NBA decided to change the rules back, so it was okay tor hard foul like it was in the 60s would kobe or wade be able to handle what O got every night? I'm not so sure they could stand up to the beatings Heinsohn or Gus Johnson or Meschery handed out.
& you didn't answer - how come kn got there so fast if today's NBA is so much harder?
@Vstrat0 KB, not kn...... don't get me wrong Kobe is alltime great. But the league is different today. That doesn't make it better. There just ain't any skills rules in today's game
how in the world are you people saying players back then were more skillled. Look at the damn video these comments are ennoying how in the world is this slow one hand dribbling guy with the ugliest jump shot going to have more skill than any of the players of today quit delluding yourself face it all these one hand dribbling players wouldn't even make it to the d league if they were playing today.
how in the world are you people saying players back then were more skillled. Look at the damn video these comments are ennoying how in the world is slow one hand dribbling guy with the ugliest jump shot going to have more skill than any of the players of today quit delluding yourself face it all these one hand dribbling players wouldn't even make it to the d league if they were playing today.
You gotta understand, there is almost no skills rules in today's game. He could not put his hand on the side of the ball, that would be whistled in a heartbeat. That's why they look stiff, the hand had to stay on top of the ball, PERIOD. 2 steps was all you got, or it was a travel.
Oscar had a wicked crossover, dangerous any where on the court.
So you know more than Wade, Kobe, LeBron, MJ? They all say Oscar is one of the greatest ever.
Happy Birthday, Oscar! Hard to believe you're 72 now. I can remember you as a rookie with the old Cincinnati Royals, and you were the best all-around player I've ever seen. Peace.
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If "O" is describing his IQ, then I agree with this nickname. Nobody will ever be anywhere near as good as Jordon. It's obvious alzheimers has set in Oscar.
Oscar out rebounds Wilt in 2:34. Oscar was the best rebounding guard ever to play the game. Elgin Baylor was a great rebounder too. When I say they are both great, I mean they are literally top great.
One of the best players in the game. It is a shame he doesn't get more attention and his name is not mentioned with some of the greats of the game.
He posted 30+ points per game, 12+ rebounds per game, and 11+ assists a game in a single season. Yes, those were his averges for that particular season!
Just look at Larry Bird, even when he played, he wasn't the fastest strongest player. Certainly Bird wasn't athletic, but he knew how the play the game his way, and he is still one of the best SFs of all time.
Kobe does have a good mid range shot, but Micheal Jordan had a great post up game as that surpasses Kobe's. Oscar Robertson was almost good all around. Great rebounding guard, and great PG. He wasn't a great defender, but not terrible either. Robertson didn't have much in weakness. Oscar is a big guard even by today's standards, & at PG, he is infact large at that spot. People confuse skills with physical attributes these day. A bigger, stronger, faster player obviously has certain advantage.
thug8200 Phil didn't say that Kobe was as good as Mike he said he had a better long distance shot but the NBA game is played from 18 ft in. He said that Mike's physical attributes meaning his "million dollar hands" were big and his ability to go to the basket and finish in traffic taking contact and not losing the ball for one Phil then goes on to say that Kobe is strong but Mike had a bigger more physical body. This interview is on youtube
@getyahaton Now before u get mad @ me I do think Jordan is better than Kobe but I must correct u on what Phil said. He was asked if he agreed w/ the presumption that Kobe had better SKILLS than MJ and Phil said: "I do..." He then went on 2 explain the advantages that both had over each other. MJ=hands, stronger, finishing. Kobe=shooting ability, ball handling, etc. He was saying while MJ had greater physical attributes, Kobe's skills were slightly better in his opinion. But IMO, MJ's still>KB.
that's the advantage of the classics, more IQ than today...
the NBA today is playground style, individualism over team game, and to play like that is only necessary good skills in handball, because nobody plays without the ball, but play without the ball is harder, cause you must have a high mind of the game
Getyahaton. I agree with you about MJ's finishing at the basket. Nobody ever finished like MJ! And that doesn't just apply to his dunking, it specifically applies to his thousand-and-one moves around the basketball.
freein2339...you said it...'watchin'', bein' bigger, faster and stronger, doesn't make you a better basketball player...getyahaton said it best, 'players are not as skilled today', if you think they are, you really don't know the game.
Lastly about Wilt's comments, how was he when he couldn't guard Kareem. Not that it matters, nobody could throughout Kareems career but he was late in years. Nobody today could guard Jerry West. Nobody then could guard Le Bron. Great players will get their shots. Then you didn't get three steps to make a dunk then. You can't carry over then. The game got slow in the 90's and the league wanted it to be easier to score hence the leniency in rules. Ali would beat Tyson. Times change, greats dont.
When the Bucks won in 1971, Kareem was 24 and Wilt was 35. Pretty big difference in the NBA. Nobody could block Kareem's skyhook at the apex, but in Wilt's prime Jabbar would have been pushed way out of his comfort zone to take a pass; he'd have been shooting the skyhook from the foul line. And he'd have never had the strength to handle a young Chamberlain down low. Never.
I'm just a hoops fan (especially of Oscar) jumping in the argument. I think you guys are confusing the subtlety between skill, athleticism and evolution. Of course, 90's and 00's players, on average, were and are more "evolved" and athletic than 60's ballers; that's only natural, as skill potential enhances, but it's not guaranteed. Skill is mutually exclusive, transcending evolution, athleticism and time. Thus, Big O's routine triple-doubles were the offspring of his skill, not the times.
@Albertarecords7ny yea im agreeing with you that's my arguement that he was great period and when people talk about Lebron and Kobe being like the greatest of all time I trip out cuz neither one of these guys really just have the aura MJ did yea Kobe been hitting game winners but MJ came into the league doing his thing he killed out games his WHOLE career and not to mention the man thing also that separates him was his finesse he was a stupid finisher at the basket
@getyahaton kobe in lebron shudnt b n the same sentence together kobe is as good as jordan dat wut phil said he coached them both kobe also out works everybody he earns everything he gets at the end of his career he will be tied for the top 4 greatest alltime kobe wilt jordan and oscar robinson
@thug8200 - Thats not what Phil Jackson said. What you stated in your comment is untrue and a lie in an attempt to support an inefficient player who is aging and having a tough time putting away a no.8 seed. Kobe is NOT as good as Michael Jordan. He will go down as a carbon copy who came the closest to resembling Jordan over the other fakes who came and went. But thats it.
@NBAGOATS Kobe's working his way up there. This is finals # 7 for Kobe...didn't Jordan win 6 but play in 6 finals. Wow, never thought I'd see the day where someone plays in more finals than MJ.
Before you get mad...I still think MJ is better than Kobe!
@Scoclamor - Kobe lost more finals than MJ yes. MJ also has 6 finals MVP. 6/6 in the finals making him 100% win in the finals. Thats not more impressive to you? Shooting 50% in his finals career and have more finals playoff records than any other player in history? ....of course Jordan is better.
@suaved Jordan (6 finals), many times saw him play. Johnson (13 players named Johnson around '83) saw him play a few times (9 finals). Jabbar, got a lot of his games on DVD (10 finals in 20 seasons)
What you fail to realize that there are more scrubs oer team than ever before. If Oscar played today he wouldn't be 6-5 and 220. Just like in boxing, guys are bigger and stronger due to people growing bigger and training. He might be 6-7 and 245. Le Bron would not look like the Hulk if he played back then. Oscar would be an all-star today. Kobe would be one back then. But to dismiss a time as if was cavemen vs. the marines is simple at best and completely wrong at worst.
@68vertskylark I agree cause even tho the nba is exciting the players are no where near skilled as they were in the 90's either a 90's vs 00 game would be a blowout
THAT IS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME!!! Players would be bigger now because we are constantly growing larger every decade. Marciano may have been 5-10 and 185-190 lbs in the 1950's but he would be maybe 5-11 and 215-220 now due to increasing sizes in people also diet and weight lifting, which wasn't done in Marciano's day.
It's amazing that "I don't realize." You're right, I'm just sitting in a cave not understanding this new thing called putting a ball in a net. I appreciate you have all this new technology to help me out on my shortcomings. And of course you would say so what to a free throw, It's called fundamentals. You say Oscar can dribblie with his left hand when clearly he's taking a cat from Boston to the whole at the 1:39 mark with his left. There are great players now. Nobody said otherwise.
@freein2339 datz because da game has evolved. if lebron played then he will be playn like him. if oscar played now he will be playing like Lebron or up to date.
JMW525...The fact is Lebron didn't play "then"...Lebron is playing now , Kobe is playing now , Carmello is playing now..They are the results of years of basketball "evolution" and today's game has evolved into something that the players in the 60s and 70s could have never imagined..They had their time and their time is over...30 years from now Lebron's time will be over and the game will continue to evolve....Oscar was great in his day but he day has passed ...why try to relive it..??
@freein2339 what are u talkn about? i kno dat. i was jus sayn if all the stars you kno today played then will play like O. cuz u said O couldn't dribble with his off hand. but he didnt have to then because the game was still evolving.
The game has DEVOLVED since then. It certainly hasn't gotten better. They can't even shoot free throws today. It's all about clearing out for a 1 on 1 or shooting the 3 today. The game sucks today. O is the best I ever saw, and I've been watching since the 50's.
I don't care if you invented basketball..The game is played by better athletes and they have more skill then any of the players from the 60s ever dreamed to have..The game is faster and the skill level is greater..that's just a fact...Oscar couldn't even dribble with his off hand so he would never even get to the basket in todays game..Face it , time has passed you by....catch up...!!!
I'm sure you don't care about anything that happened before you were watching. You're judging somebody based on a 4 minute film clip, and saying he couldn't dribble with his left hand. Go watch another film clip, sonny. There was a big world out there before you came along;it wasn't created the day you were born.
I watched big O , Wilt , Russell , Thurmond , Beatty etc. play in their heyday so you stop the "living in the past" nonsense my child...Oscar was great "in his day" but his "day" is long gone and that "game" has gone with it....The players can do more things on the court and guess what idiot..?? 30 years from now the game will also be better...that's the nature of sports...it continues to evolve.....so stop whinning like a jilted school girl and get over it...
You say the game has evolved; I say it's changed but not for the better. Robertson would excel as much today as then, as would Chamberlain, Baylor, West, Bird, Magic, and all the true greats. Today's game is more playground crap than anything. I appreciate the name-calling though; pretty much confirms I'm dealing with someone incapable of intelligent conversation. BTW: what exactly is 'whinning'?
Hey you started the name calling so if you can't deal with it that's your problem..And Wilt said and I quote..."Oscar Robertson couldn't guard Magic Johnson....Kareem was the first player that I needed help guarding"....Those comments prove that even Wilt knew that the game was evolving..Playersd in today's game actually have to play defense instead of grabbing and pushing and damn near playing football on the court...Now players have to be skilled enough to play at both ends of the floor
@getyahaton It that right.??..maybe you should watch the game a little better..."Yesterday's" players were much slower , didn't jump as high , didn't shoot as well , didn't handle the ball as well , didn't defend as well as , and didn't play better competition then the players in todays NBA...Watching the "old" games is like watching a game in slow motion....try it,..
Players are stronger and faster now and more athletic, but they are not better skilled. Players have no midrange game anymore. You have to watch NBA 1980-2000 to see it at it's peak, but even before that in the 1950's and 1960's they were better skilled.
@MIKESOWELL The game has changed and the midrange "jumper" has to share the ball with the 3 pointer...Why go for two points when you can go for three..The players from 1980s didn't shoot the three pointer anywhere near as much as they do in today's game ..Plus you have better athletes which means these players can do more things on the court..
@MIKESOWELL And if you think the slow , one hand dribbing players from the 50s and 60s are better then todays players then you know nothing about basketball...Funny thing is , I remember hearing the same nonsense in the late 70s and early 80s ...About how great the players from the 50s and 60s were..Face it , you're living in the past...catch up...!!!!
@getyahaton players were way more skilled back then have you ever saw a highlight of bob cousie im just askin it was like steve nash in the fifties he was filthy. You know why mj wore number 23 because of pete maravich. im 29 yrs old all i ever watched was basketball. Yea the players are a lot more flashy today but not as skilled. the scoring avg to day is like 20 points below what it was back in the day and it was a way more physical game guys got put on they backs.
Sorry my friend. Have to disagree with your whole post. Sure the players are bigger and stronger, they are not more skilled. You have to realize there were half the teams there are now. If you played, you were very good. There were no Mark Madsen's getting quality minutes and being worse than a 10 year old child. You had guys like Rick Berry who's career free throw mark was amazing and played at a HOF level. Just because it's "fancy", doesn't make it "skilled."
You had guys that came of the street and played in the NBA during the 70s...The guy was eventually arrested...check it out...And what you don't realize is that B-Ball is a GLOBAL GAME now...The stars are no longer confined to US playgrounds...That was unheard of years ago...So while you have more teamsd you also have more talented players to fill those teams..Europe has a whole league themselves , that was not the case 30-50 years ago..And Rick Barry can shoot free throws....so what...
If Jerry West wasn't the NBA logo, this guy would've been the next best choice. His game was rock-solid. Averaged a triple-double FOR THE SEASON!?!?!? I've yet to see any of today's players pull that off (though I'm crossing my fingers for Lebron, he might be able to do it)...
Great video, reminds me of myself a little – haha. I'm 5’6 and I can do windmill dunks! I used the famous training program that even real nba players use. If you want more info about the program, check out - snipurl[dot]com/nbatraining
Watch Kobe when he doesn't have the ball in his hands on offense, sometimes he's just a statue. He doesn't move around and try to get open or get out of the spot he's in so his teammates can find their sweet spot he just stands there and waits for them to chuck it up at the goal.
blacktee31 1 week ago
Yes and less not forget that Kobe just learned how to be a team player a few years ago, which is why he never won an mvp award and even that season Chris Paul still had a better season than he did. He STILL to this day struggles to be a team player, he STILL drives by his teammates when they're wide open, brings the ball up court and takes shots without passing, he STILL cannot figure out how to function without the ball in his hands. That mess would not fly on a lesser team.
blacktee31 1 week ago
You know your good when they play Sade in the background of your highlights. Lol
DJBre7 3 weeks ago
wow in that stats he should be MVP every year he played in the NBA..
i think he should be rookie MVP.. haha
or maybe the greatest to play the game?
he played the game how it is supposed to be played..
not with style but how he knew it..
tiismuna 4 weeks ago
best pg fuck everyone else. 28.3-12.6-11.3 @ pg? in a season? avg. 30.3-10.4-10.6 over 6 seasons?
Shiz92096 4 weeks ago
this dude would have been the sickest fantasy basketball addition. triple double on the season? wtf??
SedrinCelis 1 month ago
the 50s and 60s defense were just terrible like wow watching this video made me agree even more, no defensive plays, no physical defense, guys are just standing there maybe thats why so many peoples stats were so dominant back then, on the other hand the real legends were in the 80s and 90s
24FLYstar 1 month ago
bng357 1 month ago
@bng357 less team does n't mean less competiton but the opposite!back then wilt play vs russell about 8-10 games,the same vs pettit,belamy,reed,thurmond,lucas...now howard play vs 1-2 good centers 5 games and all the other vs varejao,milicic,haywood...teams win rings,not only one player!oscar,wilt,west even baylor were better idividual players than russell(he was better team-player but did n't have the same skills)and also had much better teamates!mj did n't lead bulls even conf.finals b4 pippen
AdreasTheGreat 1 month ago
AdreasTheGreat 1 month ago
@bng357 Why do you have Kobe ahead of Jabar, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain, Russell, and Robertson? Kobe should be behind all of them they've all had more impressive careers.
blacktee31 1 week ago
@blacktee31 Hi, Jordan put Kobe 2nd behind him. I put him 2nd too. A couple of weeks back Jordan said that Kobe is the closest to him because of his work ethic and his dedication to improve his game and win championships. I put championships as my main criteria. I put Kobe 2nd because Russell in those days don't get the same no. of teams nowadays. They play 80 games a year on 9 teams. So they play 10 games per team each. I would say competition is less back then during those times than today.
bng357 1 week ago
@bng357 What does Jordan's opinion have to do with anything? Kobe only even plays at the level he does because Phil Jackson was both Jordan and Kobe's head coach, they're the same size and played the same positions so of course Kobe would play similar to him, but he isnt better than the guys you put him ahead of based on that alone, that would be just silly. And just think of how tough the competition was compared to today. People didnt quit on defense and the refs would stop callin
blacktee31 1 week ago
@bng357 stop callin fouls all together. The competition today is weak, guys today get a small touch on their backs and they fall to the floor. If they get fouled a little hard then they lay on the ground tryin to get the flagrent. Players today are just plain soft and Kobe is one of them, he also gets a little bit of star treatment.
blacktee31 1 week ago
@blacktee31 That is why I put jabbar at #3. Even though he has 6 rings I think he got a little bit more help from Magic than Kobe did with Shaq with only 3 titles. And Kobe got the 2 with a player not in the top 10.
bng357 1 week ago
@bng357 He didn't get more help from Magic did than Kobe did from Shaq. Kareem was the team leader, Kobe isn't the captain, even after Shaq when Fisher came back they let him lead the team the year they beat Orlando in the finals. And even then you should have Magic over Kobe because Magic lead their team to a win playing all 5 positions with Kareem out of the line up with an injury.
blacktee31 1 week ago
I was rating my Top 5 Greatest Basketball Players and sad to say Oscar is not in the top 5 as they are saying. The reason why the players have teams and play against each other is to win and win championships. he can have triple double and be all around as long as he wants but if it will not win a game or a championship then it's useless.
it would be better for Big O to Score when the team needs him to score and pass when he realizes his teammate is hot.
bng357 1 month ago
@bng357 actually oscar won a ring,the reason did n't win more is the same reason wilt won only 2,j.west 1 and baylor 0!they face maybe the best team ever 60's celtics!they had russell,havlicek,s.jones,heinsohn,cousy,sharman and later howell,sanders,k.c jones!all are HOF and had most of them except the last 2 who were role players and great def but not stars!they also had one of the best coaches ever!i think oscar is easily top 10 and maybe top 5 ever!if rings are everything then sanders is top5
AdreasTheGreat 1 month ago
@AdreasTheGreat Hi, Thanks for commenting. Actually rings are everything. If u want to play basketball go play in the park. If u want to win a title then play in the NBA. June is what it all matters. You will say Bill Russell has 11 rings but the thing is that the competition during that time wasn;t so great there's only 9 teams competing and u face the 8 teams 10x. So thats 80 games in a yr. Basketball is better now than before - More scientific, technological, plays, systems, complicated etc.
bng357 1 month ago
@AdreasTheGreat Who is sanders? Deion Sanders. He's not even in the 50 Greatest.
bng357 1 month ago
@AdreasTheGreat When I mean rings is rings as a franchise player. Sanders is mainly a supporting player. The Franchise player during those times is Bill Russell and not Bob Cousy. We just had a debate with my friend. He said Derrick Rose will win a championship. I said no. Not at the way the team is set up. I said no point guard won the NBA championship as a franchise player except Isaiah Thomas back to back. And I told him the reason why - What are Pistons known for back then.
bng357 1 week ago
@AdreasTheGreat The Pistons are known as the Bad Boys. The only way Bulls will win with Rose is if they become tough. If they are the ones bullying and banging other teams. As a point guard at 6' and 6'1 you don't have much energy to carry the team if your a center or shooting guard. Teams will force you to around pick and rolls, run around screens, defend on the other side, deal with dirty plays, clotheslines, carry the ball, rebounds etc. You will expend energy rapidly. Now Rose is out 7 gms.
bng357 1 week ago
@bng357 well actually kobe won 2 rings as a francise player since shaq was the star in his 3 first rings!actually there are other pg who led their teams in champ,magic,j.west and frazier!all of them had many stars and great big men(something isiah and rose do n't have)in their teams but they actually led them!i totally disagree about kobe no 2?NOWAY!wilt,kareem,magic,bird,oscar,russell were for sure better and in my opinion hakeem and shaq were better to!mj did n't even say kobe no2 as sg,man!
AdreasTheGreat 1 week ago
@AdreasTheGreat I thought about it when I said as a franchise player even to my friend. But remember that Kobe is not really that far away from not being a franchise player with Shaq. i believe that they both are during that time. There is already friction. Shaq saw Kobe as a threat immediately. When they separated Shaq won a ring without Kobe but Kobe won 2 without Shaq. You don't trade your 7 foot center + some players to get a second string. 3-4 years is enough for a player to improve.
bng357 1 week ago
@bng357 totally disagree,it was obvious who the franchise player was in lakers the same way it was in 90's bulls!kobe was great but noway team's leader!stats and finals performances say the truth plus the fact that teams made double-teams(or even 3) to shaq and almost let the other unmarked!it was shaq who led lakers to champ for sure!kobe was great but was "the other guy" in that team!i am sorry but magic was a 6.9 pg,no other position could have career avr 12as p/g!
AdreasTheGreat 1 week ago
@AdreasTheGreat magic is not really a pure point guard. If you look at Wikipedia he's a guard/forward. he plays all positions actually he even played center on that game 7 when kareem was out on his rookie year. West was not the franchise player when he won it , it was wilt chamberlain. Frazier was not, it as Willis Reed on that 2 rings when he both got 2 Finals MVP and got into the top 50. Frazier was not even voted in the top 50. Franchise player is a go to guy.
bng357 1 week ago
@bng357 well in 70's lakers wilt was still great but he mainly had defensive role(rebounds,blocks) and was 3 option in offense!he was something like russell in 60's boston but west led in points.asists and steals and also had goodrich,who was a 25p player!fi agree that reed was knicks leader in 70's knicks,eventhough frazier led them in g7-36p,19as,7as-one of the best nba finals performances evr!but in 73 finals it was frazier who led knicks since reed suffer with injuries!
AdreasTheGreat 1 week ago
@bng357 actually frazier was in top 50 but i have to tell u that there are some players(wilkins,macadoo) who deserve to be in that list instead of parish or debbushere but that's another story!i agree,though,that is more difficult for a pg to lead a team to champ,but there are many dominated pgs who led their teams in finals!but in my opinion there should have a great big guy in their team and u are right,the only one who led his team without great big man was thomas but pistons had great def!
AdreasTheGreat 1 week ago
@AdreasTheGreat If you notice that on a 2-2-1 offensive situation with the point guard at the top of the key the franchise player will always be the either of the 4 positions except the point guard which is at the top of the key. You always want to get a focal point to start with and then adjust to the defense. Forward and Center under the basket and SG on the 3 and 4 spot like Kobe and MJ will switch on either sides of the floor.
bng357 1 week ago
@bng357 u can't say kobe is no2 ever,when is no2 sg ever(maybe slighlty better than west) and don't put the best centers(wilt,kareem,russell,hakeem),best p.guards(magic,oscar) and best sf(bird)!all those players were more dominated than kobe and had more achievements to!
AdreasTheGreat 1 week ago
My number one sports idol.
SAMRAM29 1 month ago
420
JosephRoux 1 month ago
In my memories of watching Oscar play, it was as if he expressed a thought of "Well, I'm going to shoot now from this spot and make a basket," and he just did it--as though if there was no one else around him to stop him. It was so casual.
MDLOP8 2 months ago
If only Tyreke Evans was HALF the player Oscar Robertson was...
PeekaPeep 3 months ago
Still strange there is no 3pt line.
Bobvp23 4 months ago
All I got to say is 181 season triple doubles no one can compare!
trinitodbone4 4 months ago
hol on pause 1:16 was he doin a split in the air????
shake838 4 months ago
baby league
oHoTSauCeo 4 months ago
smoove operator
dimedropper1992 4 months ago
Wait... Did he just make that guy fall without even crossing him up? LOL
1984Akeem 4 months ago
This is a nice song to describe the Big O.
job1785 5 months ago
I grew up in a Milwaukee suberb, watching the Bucks in the late 1960s and early 70s. Oscar's game was complete; he was dang good around and under the basket -- but his jump shot was so silken and beautiful -- an example of just how gorgeous a great athlete can be at his (or her) best:) --
stevevandien 5 months ago
if kobe was around at this time..he would have dominated even more than now..
rah2fizzle 5 months ago
@rah2fizzle well were u around then. im assuming not so shut up
AdR1aN43 5 months ago
@rah2fizzle if oscar had today's training technic that improves the power,the vertical leap,the speed....with the skills he had would be unbelievable and kobe would n't even stand next to him.i am bored of young kids who think that kobe and lebron are the best ever....poor kids!
AdreasTheGreat 4 months ago
this song is fruity lol robertson played cool but wierd
swagger1930 5 months ago
He has a cool style
PJHunterTJ 6 months ago
michael jordan aoint shit
TheRedirkulous 6 months ago
He is much like Wilt, he could only win one ring while putting up gaudy numbers.... Oscar was teamed with a guy who was almost a 20/20 machine and could only manage to hover a bit above or below .500 save one 50+ aberration of a season until he joined a prime Kareem and one his one ring.
GGGGeorger 8 months ago
@GGGGeorger Wilt won two rings actually
ZipperZappleZ 7 months ago
The Big O played the game the way it's supposed to be played!!!
beatlejim64 8 months ago 11
@emmettk jasn kidd did it
frs2060 9 months ago
Oscar Robertson was and still is the greatest pound-for-pound basketball player ever! Michael 'Jesus' Jordan never averaged a 3-double! Couldn't come close to O.
92463mike 10 months ago
Who's the best ever is subject to opinion. It's impossible to fairly compare players from different eras, but anybody who leaves him off their Top 10 doesn't know basketball. I saw Big O play just as I've seen Magic and MJ to Kobe and Lebron (and everybody in between). Oscar averaged 30/ 10 and 10 over a 5 YEAR period! That's amazing in any era. If anybody else did it even for a 5 GAME period, please let me know. (I mean with proof, not your guess).
emmettk 11 months ago 25
@emmettk
Wilt Chamberlain may have done it over 5 games.. points and rebounds easily.. assists though.. maybe if his guards shot well for 5 games
dave474c 10 months ago
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emmettk 10 months ago
@dave474c He might have done it with blocked shots too,if they had counted them back then. But it's all speculation though. What the Big O did is documented.
emmettk 10 months ago
@emmettk Over a nineteen game stretch near the end of the 88-89 season, when Michael Jordan had begun to play the point position (in a fashion similar to Oscar Robertson and now LeBron James), MJ averaged 30.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, and 11.9 apg. I think that shows what kind of numbers he could have put up had he wanted to be the guy with the ball in his hands 85% of the time. I don't think you win championships that way, though. MJ also had 10 triple-doubles out of 11 games.
Fantumh 9 months ago
@Fantumh If your information is correct, it reinforces my reason for bringing the subject up. Everyone agrees that MJ is probably the greatest to ever lace 'em up. He did it for a 19 game stretch and I'll bet they won the majority of those games. My point is that I see many top 10 lists that don't even mention Oscar, and that is a travesty.
emmettk 9 months ago
@emmettk The 19 game stretch was from 3/11 to 4/14. MJ finished the season averaging 8 rpg and 8 apg, and that was from playing the point position for only a third of the season. For the whole season, he probably would have averaged nearly a triple-double.
And anybody who doesn't place Oscar in the top 10 is not anybody worth listening to about basketball.
Fantumh 9 months ago
Basch152 6 months ago
@emmettk jasn kidd did it
frs2060 9 months ago
@frs2060 I'm sure he strung triple-doubles together, but I question the 30 points part.
emmettk 9 months ago
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@emmettk jasn kidd did it
frs2060 9 months ago
@emmettk Wilt did if they counted blocks those days. He got atleast 15 a game with his 25 rebounds and 50 points. Wilt Chamberlain greatest of all-time!
TheArchangles982 8 months ago
@TheArchangles982 Yeah, I said that here a month ago that he may have done it with blocks had they counted them back then.
emmettk 8 months ago
@emmettk Chamberlain, if you include the stats the didn't record. Wouldnt surprise me if he had 10 blocks a game in the early 60's. In that case, he has way more then the big O
jongib369 6 months ago
@emmettk Michael Jordan in the 88-89 season. In fact, I think he averaged like 30/10/10 for the last month or two of the season, including 7 straight triple doubles and 11 triple doubles in a month.
boredfun91 5 months ago
@emmettk My dad thinks Oscar is the greatest player every! My dad said in one game he dropped like 50/20/10!
trinitodbone4 4 months ago
@emmettk Amen my friend I'm 30 and totally agree with you. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Have a great Christmas by the way.
ExodusPessoa 2 months ago
@emmettk Agreed that Imo is more impressive considering he also shot 47% from the feild as a rookie, almost as much as Jordan who shot 51% as a rookie.
blacktee31 1 week ago
with avg: 30 pt, 10 reb, and 10ast
joellai123456 11 months ago
The bottom line is this...UNTIL SOMEONE CAN AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE IN THIS SOFT ASS NBA WE HAVE NOW...NOONE CAN MATCH UP IN COMPARISON...MICHAEL JORDAN IS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER TO EVER LIVE...THE BIG O PUT UP THE BEST STATS OF ANYONE WHO EVER LIVED...A TRIPLE DOUBLE AVERAGE IS ABSOLUTLY UNBELIEVABLE....THUMBS UP IF YOU THINK IT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN!!!??!!
MrSlik25 11 months ago 3
First of all, assists were defined more stringently, second, they weren't allowed to "carry" the ball, third, most players back then couldnt dribble skillfully/with both hands, but robertson could. That said, lets look at the positives. this guy scored assisted and rebounded, all VERY WELL, atleast relative to his time...if he got transported to now, it would only be a matter of time before he adjusted. Hed be VERY effective today, if not in a WADE style. he has the heart of a champion
marvinkmooneyoz 11 months ago
@marvinkmooneyoz hes better than mj yeah i said hes the mans mooth operator ya dig
ryanr20091 11 months ago
if weak oscar could handle it what makes you think these powerful beasts lebron wade kobe cant handle it nowadays they play smart defenses creating traps for superstars double teams scouting reports to see your tendecies honest
to god if lebron played back then he wouldve used his 6'8 270 pounds of muscle to finish strong under the basket are you telling me any of these guys could stop lebron when lebron is running full court. oscar didnt even have a proper shot
4569262 1 year ago
@4569262 Your a retard lol .. Oscar is legit , ask phil jackson fool. Lebron doesnt weigh 270lbs ahha u tard. Lebron is great dont get me wrong but he is no where near jordans level. Not even close .. he is a horrible character who will sell his soul for a ring .. fuck him
2012bilderberg 1 year ago
@4569262 LeBron is 6'7" 645. Oscar was 6'5" 235. The NBA measures players in shoes and has since 1985. I don't suggest anybody could stop LeBron or Kobe, now or ever.
But if you think defenses didn't use traps when O played it's simply because you didn't watch them. 60s Celtics defense is one of the most sophisticated of all time.
LeBron would not line up on Oscar, he'd line up on Chet Walker, Luke Jackson, Pettit, Nelson, Elgin. Those guys wouldn't care about muscle they had plenty of it.
Vstrat0 11 months ago
@4569262 Oscar Elgin and Logo beat double and triple teams all the time. Every game, for years.
Vstrat0 11 months ago
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TanaekaProject 9 months ago
@4569262 i see the guy averaged 30 ppg for 5 yrs, can you explain what you mean by proper shot
josj15 8 months ago
@4569262 Oh yeah Elgin Baylor would have contained LeBron, so would Bob Pettit, Havlicek or Heinsohn.
The first time he flopped when a guy touched his chin, Chet Walker or Lucious Jackson would have slammed him up against the wall & made him beg for mercy. Lucas or DeBusschere would have been throwing up huge numbers on his feeble D
And THEN he'd have to get past Wilt, Russell, Bellamy, Thurmond, Unseld, Reed??!!
Matrix shut down LeBron at all key points in the Finals
Yer jokin right
ZipperZappleZ 7 months ago
fuckn stupid comments i swear to you take any average point guard in todays game transport them bac and they would be rippin shit apart if jordan and kobe could shut down elite players what makes they thing they can't shut down this slow one hand releaese guy that can't even handle the ball properly look at the video do you actually think think this guy is better than kobe lebron or jordan lol.
4569262 1 year ago
@4569262 If the league is more skilled today, how come Kobe just now passed Oscar's scoring record?
Seems like Kobe should have taken like 4 or 5 more seasons to get that many pts if today's league is so much better than back then. Kobe shoots 45% Oscar shot 48% - & they didn't split out 3s back then. Take it from a guy that watched O the last half of his career, that guy took a TON of 3s
What you just don't get, these guys invented modern ball, all players today watch Oscar's film. Believe it
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0 look at the competion there is something called scouting reports there was no such thing back then.
Nowadays they set defenses up to contain kobe lebron wade technology is getting better and so is the game the video is proof oscar robertson would not be able to compete with players of today and be honest with one hand dribbling and push shot i don't think he would be suited for the d league are you telling me kobe wouldn't be able to shut him down.
4569262 1 year ago
@4569262 you gonna put O in some kinda time capsule & find out? or have him be born in '85 with the same technology everybody else has, & see how he does?
If the NBA decided to change the rules back, so it was okay tor hard foul like it was in the 60s would kobe or wade be able to handle what O got every night? I'm not so sure they could stand up to the beatings Heinsohn or Gus Johnson or Meschery handed out.
& you didn't answer - how come kn got there so fast if today's NBA is so much harder?
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0 KB, not kn...... don't get me wrong Kobe is alltime great. But the league is different today. That doesn't make it better. There just ain't any skills rules in today's game
Vstrat0 1 year ago
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how in the world are you people saying players back then were more skillled. Look at the damn video these comments are ennoying how in the world is this slow one hand dribbling guy with the ugliest jump shot going to have more skill than any of the players of today quit delluding yourself face it all these one hand dribbling players wouldn't even make it to the d league if they were playing today.
4569262 1 year ago
how in the world are you people saying players back then were more skillled. Look at the damn video these comments are ennoying how in the world is slow one hand dribbling guy with the ugliest jump shot going to have more skill than any of the players of today quit delluding yourself face it all these one hand dribbling players wouldn't even make it to the d league if they were playing today.
4569262 1 year ago
@4569262 easy there pard, you'll blow a gasket.
You gotta understand, there is almost no skills rules in today's game. He could not put his hand on the side of the ball, that would be whistled in a heartbeat. That's why they look stiff, the hand had to stay on top of the ball, PERIOD. 2 steps was all you got, or it was a travel.
Oscar had a wicked crossover, dangerous any where on the court.
So you know more than Wade, Kobe, LeBron, MJ? They all say Oscar is one of the greatest ever.
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0 not to mention Kobe's Grandfather Made Kobe Study Oscar, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor.
kingibrahimk2 11 months ago
Happy Birthday, Oscar! Hard to believe you're 72 now. I can remember you as a rookie with the old Cincinnati Royals, and you were the best all-around player I've ever seen. Peace.
buckfan1969 1 year ago
did he win the championship with kareem?
HaroldTheDog 1 year ago
@HaroldTheDog Yes.
norsemustang 1 year ago
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If "O" is describing his IQ, then I agree with this nickname. Nobody will ever be anywhere near as good as Jordon. It's obvious alzheimers has set in Oscar.
southrules 1 year ago
1:16 was a good gymnast to O_O
aznhobodownthastreet 1 year ago
The creator of the fadeaway shot, and he had a great pull up jumper.
evandroferreiradanie 1 year ago
Oscar out rebounds Wilt in 2:34. Oscar was the best rebounding guard ever to play the game. Elgin Baylor was a great rebounder too. When I say they are both great, I mean they are literally top great.
SamuelMoralesJr 1 year ago
One of the best players in the game. It is a shame he doesn't get more attention and his name is not mentioned with some of the greats of the game.
He posted 30+ points per game, 12+ rebounds per game, and 11+ assists a game in a single season. Yes, those were his averges for that particular season!
AndrewHeroJr 1 year ago
I miss the 80's Milwaukee Bucks multi-colored unies. And great players. Robertson, Moncrief & even Jabar was a Buck.
CaptainBuckRogers 1 year ago
this music reminds me of my first real girlfriend in 1990.
MrWorldbefree 1 year ago
Whose guarding him @ 3:49 BTW? I've seen him before! He's the NBA Logo!
Scoclamor 1 year ago
Kareem Abdul Jabbar was interviewed in the 90s about some of the greats of the past. Here's what he said:
Elgin Baylor: Elgin Baylor in his prime could go on the court right now and wear everybody out.
George Gervin: I don't think anyone in the league court check George Gervin, I don't care who you are. (Laughs)
Oscar Robertson: (Stops laughing, eyes bulge out) Jez, you know. That's REAL easy!
Scoclamor 1 year ago
Just look at Larry Bird, even when he played, he wasn't the fastest strongest player. Certainly Bird wasn't athletic, but he knew how the play the game his way, and he is still one of the best SFs of all time.
SamuelMoralesJr 1 year ago
Kobe does have a good mid range shot, but Micheal Jordan had a great post up game as that surpasses Kobe's. Oscar Robertson was almost good all around. Great rebounding guard, and great PG. He wasn't a great defender, but not terrible either. Robertson didn't have much in weakness. Oscar is a big guard even by today's standards, & at PG, he is infact large at that spot. People confuse skills with physical attributes these day. A bigger, stronger, faster player obviously has certain advantage.
SamuelMoralesJr 1 year ago
thug8200 Phil didn't say that Kobe was as good as Mike he said he had a better long distance shot but the NBA game is played from 18 ft in. He said that Mike's physical attributes meaning his "million dollar hands" were big and his ability to go to the basket and finish in traffic taking contact and not losing the ball for one Phil then goes on to say that Kobe is strong but Mike had a bigger more physical body. This interview is on youtube
getyahaton 1 year ago
@getyahaton Now before u get mad @ me I do think Jordan is better than Kobe but I must correct u on what Phil said. He was asked if he agreed w/ the presumption that Kobe had better SKILLS than MJ and Phil said: "I do..." He then went on 2 explain the advantages that both had over each other. MJ=hands, stronger, finishing. Kobe=shooting ability, ball handling, etc. He was saying while MJ had greater physical attributes, Kobe's skills were slightly better in his opinion. But IMO, MJ's still>KB.
moneymarc03 1 year ago
@moneymarc03 yea that's what I said I agree with phil though.
getyahaton 1 year ago
One of the best to ever play.. awesome video
RocketsAriza 1 year ago
basketball is a game of brain
that's the advantage of the classics, more IQ than today...
the NBA today is playground style, individualism over team game, and to play like that is only necessary good skills in handball, because nobody plays without the ball, but play without the ball is harder, cause you must have a high mind of the game
JulioLeonFandinho 1 year ago
Getyahaton. I agree with you about MJ's finishing at the basket. Nobody ever finished like MJ! And that doesn't just apply to his dunking, it specifically applies to his thousand-and-one moves around the basketball.
Albertarecords7ny 1 year ago
smoothest player ever to play the game no doubt, guy did it all, when you have 2 seasons of averaging a triple double you gettin things done.
farmercorn1 1 year ago
freein2339...you said it...'watchin'', bein' bigger, faster and stronger, doesn't make you a better basketball player...getyahaton said it best, 'players are not as skilled today', if you think they are, you really don't know the game.
oldschoolruler 1 year ago
One of my criteria to compare players from different ages is how much he is better than the other players in general in the same age.
The "Big O" was just amazing.
*sorry for the bad english
BrunoLS09 1 year ago
Your English was good, you should just have used the word 'eras' instead of 'ages'.
metalrules13 1 year ago
Wow, I love that rebound he grabs from Chamberlain at 2:30
BrunoLS09 1 year ago
could oscar robertson dunk???
Ousvec 2 years ago
Lastly about Wilt's comments, how was he when he couldn't guard Kareem. Not that it matters, nobody could throughout Kareems career but he was late in years. Nobody today could guard Jerry West. Nobody then could guard Le Bron. Great players will get their shots. Then you didn't get three steps to make a dunk then. You can't carry over then. The game got slow in the 90's and the league wanted it to be easier to score hence the leniency in rules. Ali would beat Tyson. Times change, greats dont.
68vertskylark 2 years ago 2
When the Bucks won in 1971, Kareem was 24 and Wilt was 35. Pretty big difference in the NBA. Nobody could block Kareem's skyhook at the apex, but in Wilt's prime Jabbar would have been pushed way out of his comfort zone to take a pass; he'd have been shooting the skyhook from the foul line. And he'd have never had the strength to handle a young Chamberlain down low. Never.
buckfan1969 2 years ago
@68vertskylark great point
getyahaton 1 year ago
I'm just a hoops fan (especially of Oscar) jumping in the argument. I think you guys are confusing the subtlety between skill, athleticism and evolution. Of course, 90's and 00's players, on average, were and are more "evolved" and athletic than 60's ballers; that's only natural, as skill potential enhances, but it's not guaranteed. Skill is mutually exclusive, transcending evolution, athleticism and time. Thus, Big O's routine triple-doubles were the offspring of his skill, not the times.
Albertarecords7ny 1 year ago
@Albertarecords7ny yea im agreeing with you that's my arguement that he was great period and when people talk about Lebron and Kobe being like the greatest of all time I trip out cuz neither one of these guys really just have the aura MJ did yea Kobe been hitting game winners but MJ came into the league doing his thing he killed out games his WHOLE career and not to mention the man thing also that separates him was his finesse he was a stupid finisher at the basket
getyahaton 1 year ago
@getyahaton kobe in lebron shudnt b n the same sentence together kobe is as good as jordan dat wut phil said he coached them both kobe also out works everybody he earns everything he gets at the end of his career he will be tied for the top 4 greatest alltime kobe wilt jordan and oscar robinson
thug8200 1 year ago
@thug8200 - Thats not what Phil Jackson said. What you stated in your comment is untrue and a lie in an attempt to support an inefficient player who is aging and having a tough time putting away a no.8 seed. Kobe is NOT as good as Michael Jordan. He will go down as a carbon copy who came the closest to resembling Jordan over the other fakes who came and went. But thats it.
NBAGOATS 1 year ago
@NBAGOATS Kobe's working his way up there. This is finals # 7 for Kobe...didn't Jordan win 6 but play in 6 finals. Wow, never thought I'd see the day where someone plays in more finals than MJ.
Before you get mad...I still think MJ is better than Kobe!
Scoclamor 1 year ago
@Scoclamor - Kobe lost more finals than MJ yes. MJ also has 6 finals MVP. 6/6 in the finals making him 100% win in the finals. Thats not more impressive to you? Shooting 50% in his finals career and have more finals playoff records than any other player in history? ....of course Jordan is better.
NBAGOATS 1 year ago
@Scoclamor
Didn't Magic Johnson play in more finals than Jordan? Kareem? Surely, you saw them play, right?
suaved 1 year ago
@suaved Jordan (6 finals), many times saw him play. Johnson (13 players named Johnson around '83) saw him play a few times (9 finals). Jabbar, got a lot of his games on DVD (10 finals in 20 seasons)
Scoclamor 1 year ago
@Albertarecords7ny
Excellent comment. If the Big O's numbers were an offspring of the times, then how come other perimeter players weren't averaging triple-doubles?
suaved 1 year ago
What you fail to realize that there are more scrubs oer team than ever before. If Oscar played today he wouldn't be 6-5 and 220. Just like in boxing, guys are bigger and stronger due to people growing bigger and training. He might be 6-7 and 245. Le Bron would not look like the Hulk if he played back then. Oscar would be an all-star today. Kobe would be one back then. But to dismiss a time as if was cavemen vs. the marines is simple at best and completely wrong at worst.
68vertskylark 2 years ago
@68vertskylark I agree cause even tho the nba is exciting the players are no where near skilled as they were in the 90's either a 90's vs 00 game would be a blowout
getyahaton 1 year ago
THAT IS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME!!! Players would be bigger now because we are constantly growing larger every decade. Marciano may have been 5-10 and 185-190 lbs in the 1950's but he would be maybe 5-11 and 215-220 now due to increasing sizes in people also diet and weight lifting, which wasn't done in Marciano's day.
MIKESOWELL 1 year ago
It's amazing that "I don't realize." You're right, I'm just sitting in a cave not understanding this new thing called putting a ball in a net. I appreciate you have all this new technology to help me out on my shortcomings. And of course you would say so what to a free throw, It's called fundamentals. You say Oscar can dribblie with his left hand when clearly he's taking a cat from Boston to the whole at the 1:39 mark with his left. There are great players now. Nobody said otherwise.
68vertskylark 2 years ago
this is the tru goat i luv mj kobe magic but dey all need to bowdown to "THE BIG O".
thug8200 2 years ago
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Oscar would be coming pff the bench in todays game..He's too slow and can't dribble with his off hand...watch the vid...
freein2339 2 years ago
@freein2339 datz because da game has evolved. if lebron played then he will be playn like him. if oscar played now he will be playing like Lebron or up to date.
JMW525 2 years ago
JMW525...The fact is Lebron didn't play "then"...Lebron is playing now , Kobe is playing now , Carmello is playing now..They are the results of years of basketball "evolution" and today's game has evolved into something that the players in the 60s and 70s could have never imagined..They had their time and their time is over...30 years from now Lebron's time will be over and the game will continue to evolve....Oscar was great in his day but he day has passed ...why try to relive it..??
freein2339 2 years ago
@freein2339 what are u talkn about? i kno dat. i was jus sayn if all the stars you kno today played then will play like O. cuz u said O couldn't dribble with his off hand. but he didnt have to then because the game was still evolving.
JMW525 2 years ago
The game has DEVOLVED since then. It certainly hasn't gotten better. They can't even shoot free throws today. It's all about clearing out for a 1 on 1 or shooting the 3 today. The game sucks today. O is the best I ever saw, and I've been watching since the 50's.
buckfan1969 2 years ago
I don't care if you invented basketball..The game is played by better athletes and they have more skill then any of the players from the 60s ever dreamed to have..The game is faster and the skill level is greater..that's just a fact...Oscar couldn't even dribble with his off hand so he would never even get to the basket in todays game..Face it , time has passed you by....catch up...!!!
freein2339 2 years ago
I'm sure you don't care about anything that happened before you were watching. You're judging somebody based on a 4 minute film clip, and saying he couldn't dribble with his left hand. Go watch another film clip, sonny. There was a big world out there before you came along;it wasn't created the day you were born.
buckfan1969 2 years ago
I watched big O , Wilt , Russell , Thurmond , Beatty etc. play in their heyday so you stop the "living in the past" nonsense my child...Oscar was great "in his day" but his "day" is long gone and that "game" has gone with it....The players can do more things on the court and guess what idiot..?? 30 years from now the game will also be better...that's the nature of sports...it continues to evolve.....so stop whinning like a jilted school girl and get over it...
freein2339 2 years ago
You say the game has evolved; I say it's changed but not for the better. Robertson would excel as much today as then, as would Chamberlain, Baylor, West, Bird, Magic, and all the true greats. Today's game is more playground crap than anything. I appreciate the name-calling though; pretty much confirms I'm dealing with someone incapable of intelligent conversation. BTW: what exactly is 'whinning'?
buckfan1969 2 years ago 3
Hey you started the name calling so if you can't deal with it that's your problem..And Wilt said and I quote..."Oscar Robertson couldn't guard Magic Johnson....Kareem was the first player that I needed help guarding"....Those comments prove that even Wilt knew that the game was evolving..Playersd in today's game actually have to play defense instead of grabbing and pushing and damn near playing football on the court...Now players have to be skilled enough to play at both ends of the floor
freein2339 2 years ago
@freein2339 man players are not as skilled today thas a fact
getyahaton 1 year ago
@getyahaton It that right.??..maybe you should watch the game a little better..."Yesterday's" players were much slower , didn't jump as high , didn't shoot as well , didn't handle the ball as well , didn't defend as well as , and didn't play better competition then the players in todays NBA...Watching the "old" games is like watching a game in slow motion....try it,..
freein2339 1 year ago
Players are stronger and faster now and more athletic, but they are not better skilled. Players have no midrange game anymore. You have to watch NBA 1980-2000 to see it at it's peak, but even before that in the 1950's and 1960's they were better skilled.
MIKESOWELL 1 year ago
@MIKESOWELL The game has changed and the midrange "jumper" has to share the ball with the 3 pointer...Why go for two points when you can go for three..The players from 1980s didn't shoot the three pointer anywhere near as much as they do in today's game ..Plus you have better athletes which means these players can do more things on the court..
freein2339 1 year ago
@MIKESOWELL And if you think the slow , one hand dribbing players from the 50s and 60s are better then todays players then you know nothing about basketball...Funny thing is , I remember hearing the same nonsense in the late 70s and early 80s ...About how great the players from the 50s and 60s were..Face it , you're living in the past...catch up...!!!!
freein2339 1 year ago
That's why I think that West and Robertson could play in the game. Just like I think that Bill Russell could play in this game.
TheEntertainmentonly 1 year ago
@getyahaton players were way more skilled back then have you ever saw a highlight of bob cousie im just askin it was like steve nash in the fifties he was filthy. You know why mj wore number 23 because of pete maravich. im 29 yrs old all i ever watched was basketball. Yea the players are a lot more flashy today but not as skilled. the scoring avg to day is like 20 points below what it was back in the day and it was a way more physical game guys got put on they backs.
getyahaton 1 year ago
@freein2339
Sorry my friend. Have to disagree with your whole post. Sure the players are bigger and stronger, they are not more skilled. You have to realize there were half the teams there are now. If you played, you were very good. There were no Mark Madsen's getting quality minutes and being worse than a 10 year old child. You had guys like Rick Berry who's career free throw mark was amazing and played at a HOF level. Just because it's "fancy", doesn't make it "skilled."
68vertskylark 2 years ago
You had guys that came of the street and played in the NBA during the 70s...The guy was eventually arrested...check it out...And what you don't realize is that B-Ball is a GLOBAL GAME now...The stars are no longer confined to US playgrounds...That was unheard of years ago...So while you have more teamsd you also have more talented players to fill those teams..Europe has a whole league themselves , that was not the case 30-50 years ago..And Rick Barry can shoot free throws....so what...
freein2339 2 years ago
If Jerry West wasn't the NBA logo, this guy would've been the next best choice. His game was rock-solid. Averaged a triple-double FOR THE SEASON!?!?!? I've yet to see any of today's players pull that off (though I'm crossing my fingers for Lebron, he might be able to do it)...
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AlexandraRoach101 2 years ago
Big O. Sacramento KIngs Love you! GO KINGS!
goldtoothjohn 2 years ago 4
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Abeck14 1 year ago
Smooth Operator is probably the best way to describe Oscar Robertson.
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carltonfan89 2 years ago
oscar was BOSS, the only thing jordan does that oscar can't is RUN AND JUMP.
azbaldy5 2 years ago
@azbaldy5 omg your so right
TheDezert 2 years ago
smooth operator
metalryche 2 years ago 2
he did all this without a 3 point line to guys lets remember that
in a time with chamberlin west and russel and lucas
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