Refuting Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Mac Brunson and YOUR PASTOR on 'TITHING'

[damanfrom808]

he starts with "in my opinion" and that's what it is. but it is a fact! that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek some 200 yrs before the Law of Moses:) how did Abraham know how to give tithes? it goes back to Adam. Abel and Cain gave to the Lord at harvest tim. Cain gave some and Abel gave the best of the firstborn sheep. they gave a percent:) i believe it was 10%. Jacob gave tithes. God said bring the tithes; that My house may have food:)

[NYTNinAmerica]

@damanfrom808, you don't seem to understand that what Abraham, Cain or Abel did is IRRELEVANT because we are under a NEW COVENANT, where God no longer accepts or is pleased by DEAD OFFERINGS.

Jesus didn't offer Himself unto death as a "once and for all" and perfect offering, just so foolish people can turn right back around and try to please God with dead and obsolete offerings again. That's just crazy.

Folks don't read their bibles and have allowed themselves to be deceived.

[damanfrom808]

@NYTNinAmerica under your unscriptural logic, all tithes and offerings are dead offerings:( you just undid Luke 6:38 and 2 Cor 9:6-9. i can understand you not wanting to give:( but to encourage others not to give:( let's see your church do the Great Commission without finances:( you're too heavenly minded, no earthly good:(

[damanfrom808]

@NYTNinAmerica "foolish people", "try to please God with dead works":( this is how you describe those who give unto the Lord in faith. Heb 11:4 first on the list of those who give to the Lord in faith is Abel. now why would God put Abel in the new testament? and with an example of giving by faith? because the new covenant that you talk about, is through faith in JesusChrist:) it's better to give than to receive:)

[brotherfrank62]

Exodus Chapter 20:Vers.17 the tenth commandment: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

[Jonnieb011]

I agree with everything that you're saying. I believe people have been bound by tithing. And believe that people stopped tithing during the early church. And the catholics reestablished it. I could be wrong. But in my opinion. You should not come at these preachers for preaching on tithing. Most of them were trained and taught incorrectly and you can't blame there for preaching something they're ignorant to. And if you persecute them . You have to persecute almost every pastor in America.

[wprior]

Jesus taught us to take the principles behind the law and apply them to our lives. Not to forsake the law. e.g. the greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. On these hang all the law and prophets. This is the same with tithing. Compulsory tithing is not Scriptural, however the principle of honoring God financially absolutely is; as each has purposed in his heart give. Tithing is not a requisite of salvation

[NYTNinAmerica]

@wprior, this is essentially what I said in this video.

[FitnessMinded]

@NYTNinAmerica And then in Malachi, people leave out that the corrupt priests were being addressed in chapter 2 but you never hear any ministers talk about this

[FitnessMinded]

@NYTNinAmerica Correct. In Isaiah 1:13-15, giving and offerings, worship and praise given in an unrepentant condition is worthless. Abraham giving tenth is under law because genesis is one of the 5 Abrahamic books called by the jews "The Law". Christians don't understand that and say well Abraham didn't tithe under the law, well that is not true, it is still under the law, the penteteuch, first 5 books

[FitnessMinded]

@NYTNinAmerica

On a basic scriptural level, the oath or sware that Copeland and other pastors put people under as in the video is unscriptural and is against scripture. Places people under an oath for tithe. I don't repeat them with pastors of churchs I visit and don't return to those churchs because they are unscriptural

[lintopa]

Thanks for this video. I always felt deep down in my heart that the demand of my pastor to tithe was not right and I have never tithed. I was always of the opinion that one should not be coerced into tithing or made to feel guilty. I would also like to support the request in a previous comment, for you to upload a video on "first fruits" offerings. Does this have a biblical basis? Thanks again.

[liberatingtruth]

So my question would be.. What was the standard of giving for the support of the apostles, elders, etc...? It seems that initially the Holy Spirit caused people to voluntarily give "all" of what they possessed to the apostles and community because they thought that what they had wasn't their own. And the 10 commandments are part of the law right?... Paul said circumcision and uncircumcision meant nothing... But what matters is keeping God's commandments. Be blessed brother.

[liberatingtruth]

I guess what I'm saying is he clearly teaches that those who preached the gospel should be supported by those who reap spiritually from them... but he never set a standard. Again... When you look at the clear instructions he did give on giving... It wasn't concerning the support of the teachers/messengers/apostles/m­inistry.

[liberatingtruth]

Paul's concern was that he had bragged to the Macedonians about their charity so he didn't want to get embarrased if some of them came along with him and found that they weren"t still doing this good. Paul only talked about his right to refrain from working and those who preach the gospel... the Lord ordained that they should live by the gospel. And he gave the comparison in 1 Corinthians 9 of they that labor at the altar (OT) profit from the altar. And to muzzle not the ox.

[liberatingtruth]

But my concern with his teaching on giving in the NT seems to seperate voluntary giving for the relief of the poor saints in Jerusalem and their right as apostles and preachers to reap carnal or material things from those they have sown spiritual things to. If you research the places where he talked about giving as they purposed in their heart or if you sow bountifully you'll reap bountifully etc... He was establishing how they must collect for the poor in Jerusalem before he came to them.

[liberatingtruth]

You did a good job with this topic, I watched it on your website. I'm restudying some things before I start teaching again. And I studied Hebrews 9 and 10 recently. Christ abolished or caused to cease, because he said he didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill/complete it. He abolished in his flesh the law contained in it's ordinances according to Ephesians 2:15. And in Hebrews 9 Paul talks about the things Christ abolished.

[cocoakeke]

I implore you to post the text from this video on one of your sites so that we can copy and print! Thanks sir!

[NYTNinAmerica]

@cocoakeke, I have just made the Powerpoint presentation available for download at my website NotYourTypicalNegro(.)com

[dlahug]

@NYTNinAmerica I have ask people that has been in Church for years, if they had read all of Malachi. Not one had. This is the problem with people they only read where their Pastors direct them to on Sundays. They never read the hold Book for understanding. 2Chornicles 31 is where the Comandment came down. In the living Bible they changed honey to Money. Tithing was food, and is impossible to do today. Their way is to give to get. Good video !!!!

[vlrparks]

What do you think about the scripture " Would a man rob God, but you rob him in tithes and offerings" that's usually the scripture the ministers preach about to show us we need to tithe? Why do they preach that?

[NYTNinAmerica]

@vlrparks, people preach Malachi 3:8 for two reasons: 1) They are IGNORANT, having not read Malachi 1 and 2 or the first five books of the bible, and 2) They are making an evil attempt to MANIPULATE YOU into giving your money to them.

If these ministers would actually read, they would know that "tithing" was a practice commanded by The Law of Moses, and REQUIRES Levites, a priesthood, a temple, and sacrifices in order to be done properly. And other way IS NOT biblical "tithing", but a SCAM.

[vlrparks]

@NYTNinAmerica Do you know of any churches that teach the truth? I always thought to myself surely God doesn't throw people aside when they don't have money to give.But then you are taught you are cursed with a curse,and that's why you don't have enough because you don't trust God to give your last. I know people who have given their last , and not paying the light bill just to do what they were told is the Word. Faithful people who really love God.

[vlrparks]

Wow, this is the exact opposite of everything I've been taught in my christian experience over 20 years. I always felt guilty when I couldn't tithe. I know that God is love. Wow.

[NYTNinAmerica]

@vlrparks, that's precisely why I did this video. I thank God for using this to open your understanding.

[nubialee]

@NYTNinAmerica i totally agree with you, but could you also than have a response video, clearifying , first fruits,( because, the first fruit goes to the priest which is a 40th of the whole income according to the Sidak jewish laws), however i have not come across pastors teaching this, could you elaborate on this in the christian context please, i need clearity concerning fruits and how often it should be given.

[Soul4JC]

Amen! Hittin' the replay button! I'm in a "stand off" with my pastors at the moment about this. I hope they come around...