When does the rapture take place?

[pghdt]

there's no pre-tribulation rapture, those who believe so will find themselves in the midst of a period run by technologized dictatorship and they will wait and wait until they would be scared of the realities that have been already prophesied in the Bible; it is better for them to continue reading the Biblical prophecies with an open mind...

[glinnz05]

theres no rapture, you werent born with a jet pack on your back, this is the vatican and its false religion again....mystery babylon.....

[rossdaboss1959]

Remember, the church wasn't here for the 69 weeks n will not be here for the last week either. Study that! It's Jacob's trouble, not the church. What about those that died already without going through the tribulation, are they in hell? Jesus when on the cross, stated , It is finished! We can't add nothing to it. If that's the case, why be good? Just live to go through the tribulation n be saved. It don't make any sense.

[rossdaboss1959]

What u are saying is true for Israel and the rest of the world, but not the church. Do the Bible speak about the Lord coming as a thief in the night? He can't be that good of a thief, if every eye shall see him. Think!!!! Understand Luke 17:22. Days of the son of man. The church is not Israel. Obey Acts 2:38 n just trust Jesus. He will not pour his wrath out on his bride. Notice Lot, Noah, etc were taken out of the way before God's wrath could come down on unbelievers. READ! Understand!

[MrBrent123t]

The rapture already happened, in 1983 Paul and Mary Finkinhimer of Florida were the only ones that met with the huge list of laws that god dictated to moses. After seeing such a poor turnout to the pearly gates jahweh then decided to go to another dimension and set the sun to explode in about 4.5 billion years just so any life that might be in the area would be burnt. (he likes the smell you see)^_^

[rlyBlessed]

When the Rapture happens its going to blamed on a UFO abduction!! That will be the anti-christs lie then God will do this :

THess.2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED."

Thessalonians 2:11

"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie"

[anddihier]

@rlyBlessed No...no one is left behind...all eyes see and judgement comes for the lost at the same time as the saved. It is done---all at onece for all...there is no escape for the wicked...they will try to hide from God but can't...rocks won't cover them. They will cry and fear when they all see him. ONE event, one coming at the last and final trumpet. There is no 2nd chnace, there is no secret rapture--he's coming with a shout and trumpet blast!

[7god7father7]

The bible also says that many will come to christ after the rapture. People give their lives to God everyday.

[anddihier]

@7god7father7 Where does it say that? After the rapture is judgement and 1,000 yrs. of peace. Therre isn't a 2nd coming or a pre-trib catching up of just the saved---when he comes its with a shout and blast of the trumpet and ALL will see him and there'll be no escape. It happens all at once for all the world to see and hear and it is done in the twinkle of an eye...

[7god7father7]

@anddihier do you really believe God is going to send tribulation on his own saints? no. He pulls us out of the way of his wrath. The Bible says at the end of the tribulation, he returns with his saints. "The dead in christ shall rise first, then the living who are in christ will be caught up in the sky to meet Christ in the air." sorry i cant specify scriptures, i dont care what number they are, i just value the information because i know it to be true. If you care, you'll look it up.

[anddihier]

@7god7father7 When God poured out the plagues on Egypt...Did they fall on the JEws also? No. Anyways, the wrath of the 3 1/2 yrs. of trib is satan's not God's...God's is Armageddon, the last hour--which is after the sound of the 7th trumpet. God isn't coming twice, he isn't coming in a secret rapture of jsut the saints...when he comes it is for all---every eye shall see, he comes with a shout, a trumpet (loud) people try to hide? All see him..and they shall not escape.

[anddihier]

@anddihier I can send you all the scriptures showing when he comes it is for all, it is at the end (post trib) it is with a loud noise and to reap the lost first (cleansing) notice where the crow is in Matt..24 (dead) and the sickle in Rev.20..thats for the lost. Notice at the end of the 6th vial, the 6th trumpet, the 6th bowl,etc...Jesus says--it is done, so jsut prior to the 7th it is done/over for all, finale except for judgement, Armageddon. Some will carry on into the 1,000 yrs.Ezk.38-39

[anddihier]

@7god7father7 Where does it say that?...Not in there...doesnt say anything happens after "It is done" except the 1,000 yrs. of peace and the battle of Armageddon.

[johnthreesixteen316]

Luke 21:28: "And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

[juStjoKinG67]

Maybe the rapture already happend and no one was holy enough to be allowed into heaven....wouldnt that just be horrible

[Kr0n1k4Lyfe]

THE ANTI CHRIST IS NOT REVEALED UNTIL AFTER THE TRUMPETS AND SEALS.

[anddihier]

@Kr0n1k4Lyfe lol...what?...thats not what it says

[rossdaboss1959]

check out DR Owuor on here. the state of the church

[andrewprofit]

@awannabewriter Genesis 18:25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

Daniel 9:25-27

[GlouwBug]

Jesus stated that he would return in the air once the birth pangs that Matthew noted come to pass. The bible also states that before his coming 'in the air' that the those on earth would be partaking in marriages and drinks. Will YOU be partying near tribulation's end with the handful of millions left on earth? Have faith, our lord won't deceive us. Just remember how God saved Lot from judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah.

[mabrecht]

I have the references to absolutely prove "rapture theory" false. In succession: 1) Matt. 13:30, 2) Matt. 13:40-43, 3) Matt.13:39, 4)I Thess. 4:16-17, 5) Rev. 11:18, 6)Rom. 6:5, 7) Phillip 3:10, 8) Heb. 11:35. There is not one hole you can poke thru this interpret with any pre-trib theory. Oh, and I might as well add the whole book of Joel in accord. with Revelations 5 month period.

[mabrecht]

@mabrecht 1) When do the weeds (wicked) get their reward? Before the gathering of "the wheat" God's people. 2) and 3)...then the righteous will shine like the sun. This happens AFTER the weeds are completely exterminated. Trib. ends with "end of the age". 4) Describes the resurrection. There is no rapture (period). 5) Describes from IThess. 4:16 through 17 concerning 7th Trumpet. 6) means we will go thru suffering not escape it. Wrath is not equal to persecution. I'm sorry but it is true.

[mabrecht]

@mabrecht 7) This Greek passage is actually written in order of how Anc. Hebrew lit. is written, and it would be the entire Christian walk in order, if you will. 8) Lastly, Heb. 11:35 ... better resurrection means you have not fallen asleep in Christ or have dead faith. Remember, Jesus saying to Peter, Watch! or Wake Up! Do you think he was only speaking of that moment? or even just for Peter alone?

Refused to be released---> A CHOICE! Greek Trans: Not Toward-Receiving the Deliverance!

[mabrecht]

@mabrecht To sum up: There will be massive world-wide persecution from the weeds, and Wrath upon thos weeds before Christ's coming DOWN to earth. Remember that rapture theorists use I Thess. 4:16-17 and put a earthly time stamp on Heavenly timing. Bad idea. dead in christ is referencing those spiritually asleep "dead faith" with those who actually die in portions within tribulation. In other words persecution upon the saved, and Wrath on the wicked The 1st Trumpet must be blown before the 7th.

[mabrecht]

@mabrecht The Wrath and persecution are going on at the same time, yet the load we bear cannot compare with the Heat upon our enemy. Amen.

[mabrecht]

@mabrecht Oh I forgot to add, please respond to my mailbox, and the supposed rapture scripture only speaks about 2 phases of resurrection, and in Hebrews it spells out what the 1 phase is. If you decide to go thru more persecution, it will be the better of the 2. Remember Paul and Peter went to their death, and this is going to be on a world wide scale, soon it will be every Christians choice to lose their life for the gospel or save their life only to lose it. Goodbye.

[Whitese7en]

Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

[Whitese7en]

@Whitese7en The Tribulation is comprised of two 3.5 year time periods. The first segment which will be ushered in by the Rapture, will be a time of peace like the world has never known. And because of this peace, it will be assumed that the Christians(who are now gone) were the problem all along. Everyone will be happy and life will be sweet. But alas, it will not last. In the second 3.5 year segment of the Tribulation, it will be HELL on earth, which no one should want to experience.

[Whitese7en]

@Whitese7en There is nothing, scripturally speaking, that lends credence to a post Tribulation rapture. If the Rapture occurs post Tribulation, then the words of Paul, where he warns that He(Jesus) will come like a "thief in the night", make no sense. Those words, only make sense, if the Rapture is a pre-Tribulation event. There are numerous scriptures that support a pre-Tribulation Rapture and none that support a post Tribulation Rapture.

[Hooverdarnit]

The Rapture takes place on the 1335th day of the seven year tribulation. DANIAL 12: 11-12

[Pbenjaminladd]

I like what you've got but its not rev. 13:9 its rev. 13:8 and you should use KJV

[davegooley]

The 7 year tribulation period is 42 months of the wrath of the Lamb and 42 months of the wrath of the Father.

[richardperry2]

"Immediately After the Tribulation of those days ... At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect

Matthew 24:29-31

[ronfrass]

not years but 1 week like u have seven day a week yeah 1 seven mean 1 week

[Onenessdude101]

For those that don't know: but we are not going through the great tribulation period yet. We are living in the last days leading up to the great tribulation aka Satan's wrath. The tribulation is 3 1/2 yrs, 42 months, 1260 days, time times and the dividing of time. The tribulation is not 7 yrs as some believe and teach. The 7yr theory great trb. is not biblically accurate.

[Onenessdude101]

continuing: the great tribulation starts at the Abomination of Desolation and ends at the Battle of Armeggdon.

[awannabewriter]

Yep, and thus it makes it impossible to have a 7 year tribulation period.

[joeprofits]

@awannabewriter you make good points. but what about christ saying that no man knows the day or hour. when christ comes after the the 3 1/2 years he will be expected and the armies of the world will be gathered to make war with him. but when he comes to get the church it will be a surprise. there is a huge contrast between the rapture which is a surprise to the world and the second coming. the second coming will be general knowledge to most people in those days and they will be expecting it.

[ifellandhitmyhead]

@awannabewriter how does it make it impossible? your video nor the the response had any signifcant let alone any evidence to disprove what is clearly stated in the bible.

[awannabewriter]

@ifellandhitmyhead Because the tribulation period is a 3 1/3 yr or 42 month period. From the time the covenant is confirmed by antichrist til the time of the abomination of desolation takes place... this is not referred to a tribulation period. But the 3 1/2 years after the abomination of desolation is the tribulation period.

[grdnangl172]

Read the book of Daniel. It certainly is. Gabriel gives Daniel the information. There are 7 years left to be fufilled. The time of Jacobs trouble. It begins when the covenant is signed. That is when the tribulation starts. When the Jews place their faith in the antichrist for their safety instead of God. The first half of the trib is still no picnic with the seals and trumpets. Billions die. Noah wasn't in the flood because it wasn't for him. There was a safe place then. Not this time. Not here.

[mrfellowship]

Very good teaching grdnangl172

I wish people knew their bible like you !

[davegooley]

@Onenessdude101 You should really study scriptures more, because Revelation speaks of 2 periods of 42 months. The first 42 months is the wrath of the Lamb and the second 42 months is the wrath of the Father. You are either ignoring Daniel and Revelation concerning this topic or you are making a quick claim without fully understanding the topic.

[tabitha2644]

AMEN! wake up saints, we are the tribulation saints it's happening all over the world at this moment why not us? probably some of the martyrs thought they were going to be raptured. Be prepared! Do not be deceive.

[Onenessdude101]

Amen to the truth. The rapture will take place after the great tribulation before the day of God's wrath. Saints will go through the tribulation but not the Day of God's wrath, (Notice day not days of God's ) wrath) The Great Tribulation is Satans wrath (3 1/2) but God's wrath happens in a day. Something to ponder.

[arovir]

Amen!

[imthemandawg]

If Armageddon happens 200 years in the future or 50,000 years this is when the church will be taken

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (King James Version) 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[arovir]

If you are implying that the church will be taken at Armageddon, then I agree. However, I think there is every reason to believe that this can happen within our lifespan. Consider the meaning of the prophecy in Hos 6:2 concerning Israel: "After two days He will revive us. On the third day He will raise us up..." Consider also Christ's words in Matt 24:32: "Learn this parable from the fig tree... this generation will by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled", including 2nd coming

[xena1973]

U forgot context your making a pretext did you forget the previous verses before 36-40.

[bigboy45454545]

"Religion once ruled the world, it was called the Dark Ages"

[cdo4Jesus]

Rev. 3:10

Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, *I will also keep you from the hour of trial (7 yr trib)* that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

See also 1 Thes. 4:13 - 5:11 In Chapter 5 look at v. 9 (For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

My channel has a reference to an excellent website that talks about this, but the BEST reference is the Holy Bible itself.

God bless!

[boltingpuppies]

Wrath is not interchangeable with Tribulation. Orgay is not the same word as Thlipsis. We are promised tribulation (Thlipsis) in this world by Jesus and told we will suffer it by Paul. In context wrath(punishment or vengeance) is compared to savlation. This is speaking of eternal judgement not earthly tribulation for His names sake.

John 17:15

"My prayer is NOT that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one."

[hyper422002]

So does that mean we will be gone before the rest of revolations or will we have to be here when Obama makes us take the mark and suffer when we refuse it??

[boltingpuppies]

hyper422002, the church will be here until the resurrection which must happen before the rapture according to Paul. Throughout the prophets and the teachings of Jesus and the apostles we learn that the resurrection is the very last day and includes those who are killed for not taking the mark of the beast. This means the church WILL be here for the tribulation.  I have many videos on this where I read the actual scriptures about the resurrection/rapture which is also called the GATHERING.

[Imaginefree69]

Your god has not had a single success yet. He made perfect angels. He made perfect humans on a perfect earth. He had a perfect son. And ALL of them end up tortured and dead. He ends up with a few thousand buddies to lay around paradise with for ever while ALL the rest are destroyed or tortured for eternity. Has there ever been a bigger loser? Ever? And you are banking that THIS time, this one last time, God is gonna hit the ball out of the park for you? Good luck with that!

[awannabewriter]

Your comment did not address the issue at hand in the video. You have only repeated the lies of Satan and that is nothing to have pride in. You speak out of ignorance of God's word and know not the truth.

[Imaginefree69]

"Your comment did not address the issue at hand in the video." Well, it addressed only the pre-trib issue. What the church is REALLY saying, kids: "Dear Child, You are my offspring. Nothing will ever separate you from my love. I will always comfort you. Unless you don't believe me, in which case I will torture you for ever and ever in the torture chamber I made. You know I'll do it, too. I already tortured and mutilated and killed and abandoned my only REAL son. Trust me."

[bikerboyzx]

thats right man :)he that holds the antichrist from appearing must leave(rapture),then the ppl will see him(antichrist)for 7years.

[cdo4Jesus]

The actual second coming is found in Rev. 19:11-16 (also known as the defeat of the beast (antichrist) and the false prophet).

This is when He actually steps onto the earth.

The binding of satan is next; then the millennial reign begins.

Rapture of the church = all true believers right up to the time of the rapture; those who sleep and are alive in Christ will be raptured.

Tribulation Saints = those who became true believers/martyred after the rapture, during the tribulation

[boltingpuppies]

Dead in Christ rise FIRST, then we who are alive and REMAIN will be caught up to meet them.We will in NO WAY precede them...acccording to Paul Resurrection comes FIRST, then Rapture. Paul says the next Resurrection happens AT CHRISTS COMING (parousia meaning physical appearing).Revelation says those in the FIRST Resurrection include those killed for not taking the mark of the beast. Please read parable of the wheat and tares in Matt 13.Who is taken FIRST? Read Luke 17 about WHEN fire destroys.

[boltingpuppies]

Again Revelation is clear about who is in the FIRST resurrection. We will not precede them. Also Job says we will not rise UNTIL the heavens are no more. This doesn't happen until the 7th trumpet, 6 seal, 7th vial. We also see the sky falling apart in Matthew 24 before Jesus comes and the angels gather His elect. notice the Sun, Moon, Stars prophecy is immediately AFTER the tribulation. Do a word search on Sun, Moon, Stars in your bible.

[cdo4Jesus]

Rev 3:10-11 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth. I am coming soon; hold fast what you have so that no one may seize your crown.

1 Cor 15:51-52 Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound & the dead will be raised imperishable & we shall be changed.

[hyper422002]

those are the verses that talk about the pre tribulation rapture right??

[cdo4Jesus]

hyper422002, yes, they are verses that talk specifically about the rapture. He could call us at any moment, even while I am typing this, so it is best to be ready, as no one will want to be here during the 7 yr tribulation period. If anyone thinks times are tough now, they haven't seen anything yet. Please let me know if you have any other questions or you can write me in private, either way is fine with me.

God Bless!

[awannabewriter]

But where is the verse that states the rapture will happen before the final 3 1/2 years?

[boltingpuppies]

Good question awannabewriter. In fact the very rapture passage says the resurrection must happen FIRST. Funny how pre-trib teachers missed that part of the passage in the beginning of their deceitful teaching. They had to add another false doctrine called 'phases of the resurrection' to cover up there lies, knowing full well that there is zero scripture teaching phases of the resurrection. Revelation tells us WHO is in the FIRST resurrection....saints killed for not taking the mark. Hmmmm!

[cjbrake]

@cdo4Jesus it doesnt matter really if we could escape the great tribulation, (the bible w/o no doubt has people saved during the tribulation, so its not like u cant be saved) - see this is why the pre trib rapture is wrong, the wrath of god is final at the day of the lord if you are not saved ur goin to hell and not gonna get a second chance, according to the pre - trib rapture u get to see jesus and then be saved ??? thats not much faith

[boltingpuppies]

hyper422002, do you really want to know the truth? Resurrection is the KEY to rapture timing. Paul said the dead in Christ rise FIRST and that those who are alive and remain will in NO WAY go before them. Study the resurrection to see when the rapture can happen. We CANNOT be caught up until after the resurrection according to Paul. Study the resurrection and you will understand rapture timing. I do have so vids with plenty of scriptures in full context. Pray and read, time is short.

[boltingpuppies]

Rev3:10 is rewarded for something they did before the trib. They kept the word of HIS PATIENCE if you read this in the Greek it will be clear. They are rewarded for believing what He taught about His patient coming. 2 Peter3 talks about this. According to Job, the resurrection will not happen UNTIL the sky is NO MORE. Peter talks about this too. First the Moon, Sun, Stars and Heavens must be darkened and shaken. Read Isaiah, Joel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Job, Peter, Zach, Amos.

[cdo4Jesus]

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; specifically v.16-17

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangels call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will RISE first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the CLOUDS to meet the Lord IN THE AIR; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

[boltingpuppies]

So according to Paul the RESURRECTION happens FIRST. Study the resurrection and you will have clarity if you want to the real truth.

[Actuary5]

Honestly...I believe you are correct. From what I've read in God's word, the rapture happens when Jesus comes again.

I don't understand the concept of being raptured before the tribulation. It appears to come from people reading into what God has wrote, rather than accepting that His word is complete.

[robwiley01]

Rapture? LOL. Here we go again. Does Christ return a 2nd & 3rd time?? Where is your facts he does? Accord to the rapture lie he must! Matt 3:12 13:38-39 24:31, Isa 54:10 64:1-3 66:14-15, Acts 1:11, 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 1:8-9 2:8, 2 Peter 3:10. SO, Now the truth & scripture show all things will be incinerated at his ONE and only appearing to take his people. All will see & hear as per the verses. I covereed all bases. Rapture is a lie of North America filthy church theology.

[Schtayven]

awesome vid, christ returns at the final trumpet, so how can you been taken away to meet him in the clouds until all trumps are blown?

why be raptured if jesus is coming to rule on earth.

get raptured just to come back? does not make sense

no rapture, you will die for your faith

[killzorg]

The bible says no one will no the day nor the hour of the rapture it will come when god says "Jesus save our people" and thats when it will happen. it could happen today, tommorow, next year or a 100 years from now....it can happen at anytime.

[boltingpuppies]

2Thess2 Paul says don't let any one deceive you in any way because that day (Jesus coming and our gathering to Him) will not happen until after the rebellion and the man of lawlessness sets himself up as God in the temple. Other prophets give us other signs that must happen first too. Look in Joel, Job, Isaiah, Zach, Amos, Daniel, etc.

[RushLimboo]

the rapture is before tribulation

[Raymond1967]

If the saints are raptured before the Tribulation, then who does Antichrist make war against during the final 3 1/2 years of the Trib? Well, I was hoping the Rapture event would cause a whole new bunch of people, previously unbelievers, to believe and become the saints referenced in the passages you mention. Just a hope of mine; not saying its worth anything.

I've heard great arguments supporting both a pre-Trib rapture, and a post-Trib rapture. We need to be prepared in either case.

[Reddogg387]

I agree with you, Ray. I think the war will be against the NEW believers; those who saw the truth after we Christians have already departed to heaven.

[queenblanche]

Truer words were never spoken; be prepared in either case.

[johnfl46]

Scriptures support both because the rapture is when Jesus comes to the clouds to take his people. And his second coming is at the end of the tribulation where he comes to the earth and steps on the earth. he came to the clouds at first. many people confuse the two together. If jesus came after antichrist.. then the bible would say look for that sign.. not look to the sky your redemption is near. yes, backsliders will get a wake up call and have to fight through it.

[boltingpuppies]

Jesus said when you see ALL THESE THINGS, then the time is near. Included in those list of signs is the anti-christ in the temple aka abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.

[johnfl46]

yeah, and they are building that temple

[boltingpuppies]

There is a way to know when the rapture happens. Paul said the 'dead in Christ' will rise FIRST and that we will in NO WAY precede them. Resurrection timing is KEY to rapture timing. According to Paul there are only 2 resurrections left. One at Christs coming and one at the end of the 1000 years when death is destroyed. Revelation 20:4-6 will tell you WHO is in the FIRST resurrection. I think this may help make things VERY clear. Also read Wheat and Tares Matt13. Who is taken FIRST & WHEN?

[Terri3210]

The Church is the Bride of Christ and enjoys the 1,000 year Honeymoon upon earth (chapter 20 vs. 4). They reign as rulers kings and priests..... (1 Peter 2:9 and Rev 1:6).

The 144,000 exclusively serve the Lamb and His Bride. ..... (chapter 14 vs. 4).

The Gentiles saved during the Tribulation Period will be Temple Servants, waiting on Christ and His Bride. They serve in the Glorious Temple ... (described in Ezekiel... chapters 40 -- 48) (Ezekiel 38 and 39).

[scooter8887]

The saints in the tribulation are those who "washed their robes",(REV 7:14).Believers today,(AGE OF GRACE<CHURCH AGE),Christ washed our sins,(REV 1:5).Christians in the age of grace are not required to die for salvation or suffer what the tribulation saints will endure.Between chapter 4 and chapter 18 of revelation which is the plagues and wrath of tribulation,there is not one reference to the church on earth,that is because the church is in heaven(REV 4:1)RAPTURE!!!!

[awannabewriter]

Try to line up the 6th seal, the 7th trumpet with the 5th & 6th vial and you will see that the rapture takes place on the "day of the Lord."

Study those scriptures side by side, their similarities etc and see what you think.

[scooter8887]

I read the passages again,I have studied this for about 30 years now.The day of the lord is not the rapture of the church.Read (REV 7:9-17),These saints came out of the great tribulation,God will dwell among them,not"IN"them.These are not church age saints,they are tribulation saints.

[awannabewriter]

Another thing that doesn't make any sense is that it is taught that there will be people "saved during the tribulation", and yet the same people who teach that believe that the Holy Spirit will be taken away before the tribulation starts. How can anyone come to understand the Gospel without the Holy Spirit?

That doesn't make any sense.

[scooter8887]

(2 Thess 2:1-9)The coming of the lord Jesus/our gathering to him/do not be troubled/let no man deceive you/the falling away of the church/antichrist revealed/antichrist sits in temple/church reminded by paul/vs.6-now ye know what withholdeth that "HE" might be revealed in "HIS" time./the mystery of iniquity/only "HE"who now letteth will let:until "HE"be taken out of the way/and then the antichrist is revealed/The "HE" is the holy spirit that lives in church believers and abides on earth now.

[boltingpuppies]

Scripturally it is impossible for the Holy Spirit to be the restrainer. There are verses on this. There are also verses in Daniel and Revelation revealing who the restrainer is.

[unblinded08]

awannabewriter

If you are really sincere about finding out that the Bible supports the rapture. Read Luke 21:36 i believe is the verse. Just know that this verse is not saying that Jesus is wanting us to pray for our death. But instead to escape the tribulation that is coming. Noah had the ark to escape the flood and he probably never even got wet. So we have the blessed hope to pray for that we will escape the terrible things that are coming.

[boltingpuppies]

It's true that some will escape like Noah...on the earth. There is even a specific place we are told to hide in scripture but pre-tribbers aren't even looking for it :(

Also in Luke 17:29-30

"But THE DAY LOT LEFT SODOM, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be JUST LIKE THIS on the day the Son of Man is revealed."

[boltingpuppies]

Read the wheat and the tares of Matthew 13. How long do wheat and tares grow together? When is the Harvest? Who is taken FIRSTt? Wheat or Tares?

Luke 17:29-30

"But THE DAY LOT LEFT Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be JUST like this ON THE DAY the Son of Man is revealed."

[doobieps]

I was brought up in a Christian church and always taught Rapture/ 7 yrs Tribulation and then 2nd coming. I've been studying Bible prophecy for approx 25 yrs & unless you cherry-pick verses or parts of verses even then its a stretch to try to make it say there is a pre-trib rapture. I've never understood how people can think they'll be raptured and yet people all over the world are totured for their beliefs in Christ and great men of the Bible who suffered and died for their faith.

[boltingpuppies]

Amen doobieps. I was raised pre-trib too and then much later actually read His word. I thank Him for being a good shepherd and not leaving me out there with no food. He showed me the truth because He is good. Turns out there is alot of false teaching and I never would have known if I hadn't read the word for myself.

[boltingpuppies]

Amen.

[grdnangl172]

You should read rev 3:10. Notice the term SAINTS is given not CHURCH. As well Christ said the gates of Hell would not prevail against His CHURCH but we see the SAINTS overcome and killed in the tribulation. Should really ask God.... You can't figure it out on your own. He gives grace to those who humbly approach Him to understand. "I COME WHEN YOU THINK NOT" - JESUS

[boltingpuppies]

Read ALL of the letters to the CHURCHES. You will find one is thrown into GREAT TRIBULATION because she does not repent and another is warned that He may get them with His sword (which would be at His coming).

[harvestsouls]

The pre-trib is a deception for those who sleep.

[bradlew1]

Dan. 12:1-2

[boltingpuppies]

Daniel is told he will rise at the END OF THE AGE. When is the END OF THE AGE according to Jesus in the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew 13? Who is gathered first, wheat or tares?

[FruitForBrkfst]

very well done. thank you for making this clip.