Human Right Problems in Tibet and China Part 1

[iamlindsaybutler]

I am curious was the invasion of Tibet by China legal?

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler was the invasion of mexico by usa legal or was the annexing of hawaill legal or annexing of puerto rico legal? in history, a lot of countries take over other territories for their benefits and the only way they will even surrender them is through warfare.

[iamlindsaybutler]

@eastern2western so I take it you are saying that it was not legal. China illegally invaded Tibet and is now therefore illegally occupying the country.

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler yes you are right it is illegal. in 1949, the only representative government of china that was regonized by united nations was the nationalist government of chang kai shek which made the communist government of mao ze dong an illegal government. Under such conditions, the communist invasion of tibet is illegal because it was not a regonized government in united nations.

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler but un had formally accepted the communist government as the legal representative of china in 1970s and tibet as part of its territory which basically legitimized the invasion of tibet as an action of unification of china. the whole pt is the invasion was illegal during that time but became legal once china joined un. that is the reality of world politics. the only illegal government at this moment is the tibetan exile government.

[iamlindsaybutler]

@eastern2western so you can back date an illegal invasion and make it legal? If the invasion was illegal the resulting occupation of the country (it was recognised as a country then) was therefore also illegal. I suspect that had you of invaded in 1970 (when it was "legal" to do so?) there would have been quite a different international reaction.

Never-the-less thanks for clarifying that is was an illegal act by China to invade Tibet.

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler hey I do not make the rules but it is true that the communist government was not accepted as a legal government of china before its union with united nations. however, when it joined the un, un had officially accepted tibet as a territory of china which basically legalized the invasion. if the argument for tibetant independence just because its invasion was illegal, then countries such as usa, australia etc should surrender their lands to the natives (never going to happen)

[iamlindsaybutler]

@eastern2western The UN has called on China to respect the basic human rights of Tibetians and freedom of self-determination, that is true yes. The International Commission of Jurists also said China were guilty of "acts of genocide" that is also true. So on the one hand China uses the UNs name, but on the other quietly ignores the very same organisation.

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler what the un is asking china to do is a pure token effort, but the reality is no country is willing to anger china over tibet.

[iamlindsaybutler]

@eastern2western why do you think that is?

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler come on, after 60 yrs of campaign, dalai lama is still in india. does that basically says a lot about how much un cares about tibet?

[iamlindsaybutler]

@eastern2western My question is why do you think "no country is willing to anger china over tibet"?

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler may be money has to do with it. when china was broke and had no power, foreign countries walked all over china. now it has money and power, most countries are not willing to sacrifice china for tibet. well it is true that some countries do provide verbal support for tibet, but they usually provide token support but not real support.

[iamlindsaybutler]

@eastern2western China gets angry about Tibet and bullies (financially) other nations in to not saying or doing anything. Is that what you are saying?

[eastern2western]

@iamlindsaybutler u can call it bullying or what ever words you wish to use, but it works really well for the last 60 yrs. what ever names you wish to put on their methods, but the end result is the only thing that matters.

[groupthinkful]

BRAINWASHED OR BRAINWASHING, UTEEngineer, giving false data. Why dedicate your whole channel to propaganda. You have not quite shaken off your chinese accent, or your denials. You may fool some with your improved accent, still the same CCP propaganda machine.

I AM YET TO MEET A SINGLE FREE TIBETAN THAT CONSIDER THEMSELVES CHINESE

[76xrs]

ass hole about ban of veils in france is because it is FRENCH COUNTRY

AND WHY DO FUCKING MUSLIMS HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR ORIGIN OF COUNTRY

AND BRING THEIR RELIGION AND VIEWS ALONG. AND NOT ACCEPT WHAT IS PREVAILING AROUND THEM .

AS SAID WHEN IN ROME, ACT LIKE A ROMAN .

AND BY THE WAY ASS HOLE YOU ARE CHINESE .

[76xrs]

ass hole .. one child policy is not applicable on minorities because they ARE MINORITIES not in majority . if they would have been in majority then your ass hole would not have spoken about this topic .

[markwessex]

You are a LYING piece of chinese secret service police SHIT.

Get stuffed!

[magnietuit]

if homeless dogs can't prove that they are harmless, for what reason must china welcome them back?

[20097sam]

I do not agree wat says the world has turned its back on Tibet, very opposit from that, the world has turned eye on Tibet, thats why Chinese r very nervous & its faces Publicrelation disaster.

The Tibetan struggle is the competition between the power of truth and the power of gun. The power of truth will win...

[magnietuit]

you mistook the word "nervous"

chinese are not nervous

chinese are angry

angry about numerous lies and black paintings, which was told by a so called honest "monk"!

disgusting!

[20097sam]

You cant say liar, a blind cant see what happening in around World, I mean Chinese have very one sited Media, no free Press. State Media are only to fool their own people, so you know very little on this thinks. If u have nothing to hide, let free Journalist.

Remember you are on the wrong site of History.

[magnietuit]

one side?

which multi side media said china is a fucking new country with only 100 years of history???

[20097sam]

Thats your Problem, I think your younger then 100 yrs, u probable know nothing then that one side story, "100 yrs history of lie" Freedom press is Fundamentals right of Democracy, you cant make FOOL us, that cost Killing goes continue.

"We are here to tell the world that 50 years of occupation, 50 years of persecution, 50 years of genocide is too long"

"This struggle for Tibetan freedom will gain momentum until Tibet is free"

[Joe021970]

Chinese atrocities have increased since the March 14 Tibetan uprising in Lhasa in 2008, which we blamed on Chinese communist authorities and his Army. We believes China need to change its Policies, otherwise ur country will be more & more Isolated from rest of world.

[magnietuit]

when US invaded iraq, no one give a shit.

that's called "keeping up with the world"

when china tried to protect her completeness, you call this" isolated from the rest of the world"

then what kind of world it is?

it is a whore!

[Joe021970]

U gave Iraq example, compare to modern Age youre the WORSE then that time because past 50 yrs every countries works for improve its Human Right & ur Country went to exact opposite site.

So KILLER remains Killing. You cannot beat or kill someone to make them love, China is doing exact the same.

[magnietuit]

will DLLM makes china loved him by isolating, seperating, and hatres?

[wslen]

Man, what yu say is true, westerns are way too jealous, they know Jesus Christ born later than Chinese

[magnietuit]

very interesting.

i suppose tibet issue is more political issue than human rights issue.

then who made them political victims?

[ChinaKillsNuns]

Do you know any thing about human rights?

Does the Chinese Communist Party have any human rights videos?

[lrwang020660]

Thank you for this another great video by, it explained so much and even enlightening as far as I am concerned about Tibet and China. Thanks again, just awesome mate!

[SouthKorea83]

OMG...how dare you to criticize one's countrys Human Rights problem..evry country has its own so stop putting them down..your Chinese I guess...trying hard to be a western converts...still try to fix your accents..it sucks..

[sesenkodude]

Dude, nice vid. I'd love it if people actually watched this.

[RedLord0]

Again a great video. Good job.

[Maaguaa]

Normans and Saxons should get the fuck out of Britain

[atiger882003]

the speaker is Chinese......

your accent is so sucks but i agree some of your point.

[Maaguaa]

correction, he is chinese canadian. big difference there

[wqeaca]

Good points, thanks.

[Hereticxxii]

Small minded Jackass.

[BeerMan5000]

I hope you're not talking about the guy who made this? If so, wow, your definition of small minded is really really ironic.

[77ynck77]

Pointless propaganda.

[BeerMan5000]

how is that bandwagon working out for you? Must be nice not to have to worry about things like independent thought and educated opinions.

[jinmai84]

Cool...

[fileyhe]

Do you believe him?

[sesdelta38]

Everyone should know that China is oppressing the population of Tibet! It is our job as americans to as Americans and Europians to free Tibet and China from the evil Chinese government!

[2jlman]

Who is evil?? Nancy pelosi is evil, Dalai Lama is evil, he is the biggest slave owner. He is worse than Ayotallah Khomeini

Long Live China.

[ilomse]

lol lol lol very niiice (thumbs up)

[sammyvvong]

how to say, you have to recieive some basic schooling.... from teachers. and go to anyone of the libraries.

I hope you can read.

is this the so-called american joke??

[gotentk4]

man just have a war between China and Americans omg or free everything

[qingpp]

Free Australia! Australia for Native Australians!

Free Africa! Africa for Native Africans!

All the Europe colonists, war criminals, slave traders, opium smugglers, pack up and crawl back to Europe!

[qingpp]

Free Corsica! Free Basque!Free Quebec!Free Scotland! Free Ireland!

Free Hawaii! Free New Mexico! Free California! Free Texas!

Free America! America for Native Americans!

Free Canada! Canada for Native America Indians!

[ytofhassan]

Western countries such as U.S and Europeans want to put china in small pieces. Dali lama is just a CIA agent. If China give up in Tibet, Imperialist countries with leadership of evil America will go after another province to make it "free"!!!

[uglycnnbbc]

Da Liar = Largest Slavey Holder in pre-1950

Da Liar = Nazi ALli.

Da Liar - Close friend of Shoko Asahara

Da Liar - Support BUsh on Iraq War.

Do you think Tibetan reall wanna their slavey-owner or masters to come back ?

Da Lies,People Dies

Peace !

[shiryuuclone]

so what, tibetans deserve more? you deserve nothing you are already fed for doing nothing, and pay no taxed what else do you want. You call for freedom too bad you don't realize that tibet will die without china. With what economy are you gonna feed your people, with what money are you gonna build the schools and public services. You gonna ask the monks to meditate necessities for you? They gonna work hard and build a strong economy? no you will die of starvation while monks preach fasting.

[Maaguaa]

they got richard gere to feed them

[icy818]

Good analysis for human right issue.

[plainfacts101]

Wonderful debunking of the Tibetan freedom movement attempting to make China look no better nor worse than any other country:

There are possibly false data regarding Tibet demography and the author use a few pertinent facts as a springboard to attempt to justify what is not:

"we can't afford free food for criminals as our lawful citizens starve" ...

Can I remind the gentleman intellectual that China is sitting on top of 900 billion dollar US bond treasure that's no counting any other assets.

[tornyz]

Great

[deville1998]

Great information! Thank you!

[timeforfuntime]

Propaganda is OK! Thanks for your insight.

[mly120]

Well,my reply was for 5DVz.

[5DVz]

Seriously, there are a lot of videos on the pro-chinese government side here on youtube. When are we going to see videos with solutions to conflict and unrest between Tibetans and Chinese from the pro-chinese government side.

Why not push for solutions as soon as possible so that you can enjoy the Olympics without any protests?

[mly120]

where r u from? if things can be this easy, i believe you will be the next president of you country.

[5DVz]

haha I wouldn't want that responsibility. I'm just an Earthling like you mly120. I merely want peace between Chinese and Tibetans in and outside of Tibet. I think we need more peacemakers now before this escalates to brawls and more violence. I feel that this is where this is heading... but it doesn't have to be that way.

[mly120]

well, i understand, you seems like a buddhism, me too, and If you have time you can go to Lama Temple in Beijing. I wasn't thinking about Tebit before, as it was peaceful... But now Lama seems want to use Olypic as a tool to do their adv. and it is not good to make a big adv by abusing Olympic tourch.

well, common Earthling people like you and me dont want responsibility, and all leaders are politicians... how can you expect politicians to solve problems...

[sammyvvong]

Being academic is not easy for normal people. Normal people know how to 'tell the truth' but do not have the capability in learning and less patience in reading all materials.

a message to people before they comment

---- use reference(the more, the better).

[sammyvvong]

Some minority in Xinjing province can also carry their blade in autonomic area. I don't agree they can bring the blade in non-autonomic areas. It makes people nervers.

About one child policy, many people is discussing seriously about it in China not just outside. We han have already done too much to Tibet as well as others minorities. Please respect us. People want to get respect who have to respect others first.

[sammyvvong]

If i am the reporter, i prefer to obey my boss' order. If i am the boss of the press, i prefer to the big man's order in government. It reduces company's risks.

So not too care about what they say or what the 'truth' is.

Instead, I prefer go to the place and do research, or, at least, read both Chinese and UN materials in order to understand.

[zazzazan]

Dear UtEEngineer I have listened carefully to your video. I'm afraid it is not convincing. We in the West are aware that all governments make mistakes. We tell them so and are allowed to put them out of office every few years. That is called democracy. When you have democracy in china and a free Press perhaps then you can lecture us.

[sammyvvong]

in UK, here are lots of lots of working days to do one tiny stupid thing. It's also one kind of human right abusing.

in conclusion, lazy.

[5DVz]

That doesn't make any sense and doesn't justify human rights abuse in another country.

Do you deny that China jails critics of their government?

[sammyvvong]

for example, last year Oct in london, my friend(white) hurt his feet badly, I helped him to call the ambulance. They call back 2 times to ask a lot of stupid questions. After 30 min, a final call asking me to call a cab. Lastly, I paid the taxi for him to hospital in Colindale. That's abusing Human Right. Working day is seriously delaying human.

Why China can develop so rapidly because many Chinese are hard working not care about politic or CCP or whatever.

[sammyvvong]

working day is just one joke.

how about discrimination?

in UK, I found not just my Chinese friends but also Indian friends, US friends and some EU friends are discriminated in many aspects.

jail critic is another issue. I will try to let my law teacher in Cambridge to comment then reply you.

[shishizhonggua]

Yes, we can certainly see how repressive the governments are outside of china, as we freely post on the internet, take part in protests and write and criticize the government and media. Pretty horrible isn't it- but a nice change as you can't do any of this in china now can you.

[tsamzen]

China Scholars Condemn CCP's Brutality in Tibet......

Read in details @ en dot epochtimes dot com slash news slash 8-3-27/68117 dot html

(THESE ARE THE WELL-KNOWN CHINESE SCHOLARS WHO LIVE IN CHINA----NOT LIKE THOSE CHINESE WHO HIDE IN FREE COUNTRY AND CRY LIKE A JACKAL.

[jliu94044]

Come on, Please do not twist the fact again. It is pretty normal that you can hear different voices in China today. But do you know what the most people think? They blamed the government is too lenient to those looter, rioter and killer.

[UTEEngineer]

lmao, i laughed when u mentioned epoch times

[sammyvvong]

i hear many voices from Chinese scholars who used to argue alot against Chinese government. They complaint that CCP is too kind to those riot.

[fileyhe]

I believe what you said

[ZhengFunWang]

I appreciate your time dedicated to clarify China-related issues. Thank you.