Bill Evans Trio - Israel / Five (theme) - 19 Mar 65 (5 of 11)

[exavier091]

the whole thing was way too fast imo

[lburdettro]

I knew Larry Bunker as a child and never know how amazing he was. He did deserve more credit for all of his achievements! He was an amazing musician and man. Much love Larry. RIP.

[luminousmusic]

I really can't perceive any "acceleration" in tempo as a disfunction of the musicians or their musicianship. In any there isn't a massive increase in tempo, just a small one which to my mind says a lot about the empathy that these 3 have developed, which at some level suggests that they are happy to play the game, and enjoy supporting one another at the subtlest level of nuance, including the way that timing can be and should be an elastic thing, unrelated to metronomes.

[BalticXY]

good drive, makes me young

[ntakeshi]

the melody he picks sounds so sad,

and really beautiful

[Javi7Tron]

all the jazzmans know that bill evans had a tendency to accelerate , don´t blame the drummer for that

[Javi7Tron]

I have transcrived all the Larry Bunker 12 bar solos in this tune and it´s freaking hard , prehaps you can´t hear the incredible stuff that Larry Bunker plays here



[Javi7Tron]

you are stupid? what you say about the tempo is something natural in jazz , do you have notices the incredible swing and the ultra modern solos of drummer Larry Bunker ? learn and the speak

[zildj1an]

I just love Bill Evans, and especially the tune "Israel". However, this particular performance troubles me. The tempo slowly crept up over the course of the tune. Check out the tempo at about 0:35 and compare it to about 4:40. As a former drummer, I was always taught that once the tempo was established, it should be maintained. Double-timing a section or changes in time signature are one thing, but losing the original tempo is a no-no. Sorry, just my opinion.

[kenjames64]

@zildj1an no need to apologize. I hear it too. A definite increase in tempo.

[Grillmouth]

@kenjames64 this matters why? It makes the song feel natural

[kenjames64]

@Grillmouth dude, it doesn't matter at all. Just saying I hear the slow tempo increase.

[mniedbalskimac]

@zildj1an Sometimes a song needs to breathe. Bill evans and his rhythm section here are just breathing. Its natural. And the tempo change isn't drastic its "pushing". Listen to anything, especially miles davis's plugged nickel recordings with the second quintet. Sometimes tempos change, its natural feeling.

[Grillmouth]

@mniedbalskimac Exactly, its like sayng when a musician plays music his heart beat shouldn't accelerate when the climax or cresendo of the song is played, the idea that tempo must be strictly kept to is abit of a joke, just like these guys saying that BILL FREAKING EVANS is speeding up unnecessarily is.

[kirksiesz]

@zildj1an Miles's recordings with the Ron Carter/Tony Williams/Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter quintet speed up like crazy half the time. There are a million great recordings of Richard Davis completely out of tune, Thelonious Monk seemingly accidentally flamming on two notes at once. But improvising musicians at that artistic level transcend conscious thought about what they should be doing, what is "right" or "wrong;" they are completely in every musical moment, going wherever the music goes.

[kirksiesz]

@kirksiesz oops probably should have read the comment posted right before me...

[Marukomu]

@zildj1an Who says it should stay the same tempo throughout? Music should be about freedom and if they felt like upping the tempo a little then good for them...

[funkguru87]

@zildj1an So what's the matter?they might have done it this way cos they wanted to or it might have been that particular moment!But you might have been taught that keeping the time the same is the rule but the rule is to keep up the music and they really do, then what's the problem!THEY ROCK!

[funkguru87]

@zildj1an @zildj1an So what's the matter?they might have done it this way cos they wanted to or it might have been that particular moment!But you might have been taught that keeping the time the same is the rule but the rule is to keep up the music and they really do, then what's the problem!THEY ROCK!

[Ddanfernandez]

@zildj1an how can you be a former drummer

[gmouchta]

@zildj1an

lol.. and???

[NorthArchRising]

@zildj1an tempo fluctuations are a performance tool not something to be thought negatively about, we aren't machines

[ESSPIRITJIMMI]

@zildj1an

= "Sorry" was quite\probably an accurate philosophical-expression; just eyes-opinion..

[SANNAFABICH]

@zildj1an Jazz. Let me show you it.

[Barakx8]

@zildj1an I find myself getting more and more into a song if the song is a good tune and if the players seem to enjoy themselves more and more (sorry for the redundancies) as the song progresses. Therefore for me, a listener but not a player, any increase in tempo seems both natural and proper as the enthusiasm and excitement builds. While I do not disagree with what you are saying, I think there is more than one way to enjoy this music.

[Kiwi2375]

@zildj1an A fault of Bill Evans...he said he tended to rush alot and couldn't keep time very well!

[zildj1an]

@Kiwi2375 I tend to agree, but I really still love Bill Evans' style.

[JmansterJ1806]

@zildj1an you do know this is jazz, right?

[JmansterJ1806]

@JmansterJ1806 musicians follow one another. that's the beauty--and appeal--of a jazz ensemble.

[zildj1an]

@JmansterJ1806 Yes, I agree. But, in this case, Chuck and Larry are following Bill, totally. Not bad, really. But, from my personal perspective, I would have preferred that the tempo stayed as initiated. Then again, that's just my perspective. Sorry.

[JmansterJ1806]

@zildj1an Have you ever heard Louis Armstrong's Tiger Rag? There's a definite speedup. I believe this kind of achroncity, or syncopation, is inherent to the jazz form. Billie Holiday sang behind the beat, Sarah Vaughan ahead of it. The rhythm is just a suggestion, not a clearly-defined demarcation. Free your mind, zildj1an!

[zildj1an]

@JmansterJ1806 Indeed! I was just making an observation. Just love Bill Evans.

[talbotvanman]

Check out (my) most memorable Bill Evans with the Dave Pike Quartet

on " Pikes Peak" Herbie Lewis Bass Walter Perkins drums.

[giovindi67]

Ditemi dove è stato registrato. grazie

[monocrom101]

my favorite jazz musican...

[pastorius999]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeee:)):):))

Goooodddd:)))



[nielsmyrner]

Unbelievable

I love the way Bunker makes the phrases dance...

...and the way he makes the drums speak, controlling the attack AND RELEASE of the notes. He mutes the drums with the sticks/brushes to get a staccato effect. Great lesson watching him.

Thanks!



[Javi7Tron]

@nielsmyrner

I ´ve transcrived the solos of Larry , if anyone are interested I could send my transcription , grethings

[Javi7Tron]

@nielsmyrner

yeahh if you compare this version with others for example with drummer paul motian , really bunker is much much much more advanced , really Motian looks a student compared with Bunker , the sound , his incredible swing and articulation , and the modern displacement solos , the irregular and elegant use of hi hat , the are soooooooo many subtleties in the playing of Bunker. Bunker was very advanced for that epoque , but never got the reconigtion he deserved .

[nielsmyrner]

@Javi7Tron I can see that... although I wonder if Evans chose Motian more for his soft swells and supportive approach. Music is a funny thing... especially when it comes to recognition! I dig Motian and Bunker both... maybe Bunker is more of a drummer's drummer... action packed for sure. Motian creates a nice cloud for Evans to float on top of. I wish I could find a release of Waltz for Debby that has Motian playing some amazing solos... not on the version of the album I have...

[Javi7Tron]

@nielsmyrner I think that it depends on your musical tastes , I have talked this a lot with other musicians , I really thing that Motian is cool but he really sounds like a fucking student compared with bunker , there is a very big diference , in swing , drive , musicallity .. Bunker is not a drummer´s drummer , Bunker was pianist and vibraphonist and the trio of evas with Bunker and chuck israels is much more compact than the others

[Javi7Tron]

@nielsmyrner

. i think that a lot of drummers really don´t have the ears to appreciate the nunances that Bunker played

[raosunokeshi]

awesome... i don't have any words to express my emotion...

[straitmtoddm]

mastery!!

[HAMayoral]

Oh, I just melted in my chair!

[fullboxacrayons]

West coast bunker style swing....love it!

[IntuitionDigression]

The first Evans' version of "Israel" is in the album "Explorations", dated February 1961, with Scott LaFaro (bass) and Paul Motian (drums)

[kenjames64]

@IntuitionDigression Thanks for the clarification.

[KEEPTHEDEEP]

@IntuitionDigression the dream team!

[IntuitionDigression]

@KEEPTHEDEEP Yes, indeed!

[kenjames64]

@IntuitionDigression Why'd you remove that comment. You're right!

[Putytand]

Wonderful. The one and only. Thx so much for sharing