@bigspoon19 thank you for giving such an enlightening talk,your voice is filled with a lot of love....we need more people like you.God bless u..and keep up with the good work!
@MrBigboss20011 I'm a Muslim myself and trust me, you've misunderstood BigSpoon19's point. He was merely defending Islam and not attacking Islam. If you can't understand something, please do not post negative comments and spread hatred.
I appreciate your openmindedness and defense. Its a shame that there could not be more nonmuslim and muslim people like you. All cultures, religions, and nations have their faults, and if more people would just stand up with an openmind like you did, a lot would change. We dont have any right to point fingers, when the reality is that ALMOST all cultures, religions, and nations have similar history.
sorry man, i closed the video after 0:15 when you said, ''I am not a muslim and I am not particularly knowledgable in islam''. If you not well learned in islam, what validity does your video have? you are very strange. :P
@MrSWATIMAN Why do I have to be an expert in Islam to discuss the socio-political reasons for violence in the Middle East? That's the point--something you might have known if you watched the video. But you didn't watch the video, yet felt compelled to comment--talk about strange...
@BigSpoon19 hahaha! sorry man i was a bit stupid to comment before even watching the video! my mistake entirely! by the way, i did watch your video now, and i agree 101% with u! there are many others factors at work here leading to violence instead of Islam. Like I always say, ''There is so much violence around because of LACK of Islam not because OF Islam.'' Actually I just made that up. pretty cool though. PEACE ;)
@BigSpoon19 Mind the negative comments that you get. I actually believe that one of the main reasons all religions, cultures and countries can't get along very well is because of closed-minded people that can't even listen to a 5 min. video just because the person who made it isn't "one of theirs". I'm a Muslim and even if I wasn't, I see you rather DEFENDING Islam. Some Muslims here obviously can't follow through with the prophet's studies and treat non-Muslims as brothers in humanity.
Oh I love this man who had the courage and devoted his time to say something fair in this video
You have said things that would''ve been difficult for me as a Muslim to explain. I compliment you . Very well done. With this mentality and objectivity, I must congratulate you.
I hope you.ll have a chance to read my comment, though very late and hear that you did
Islam is a modern religion and god made it for the whole world and for all the time especially with" Elkyas and Ijtihad " It says that u need to adjust with time and place
@madman1213 Oh, the irony. Perhaps you should take your own advice. Then you might learn some proper punctuation and sentence structure. Maybe you'll even learn the difference between "your" and "you're."
OK folks, I'm done with this video. If you have something new to add, send me a message. I really don't want to have to continue having the same tired and ridiculous debates about how awful Islam is and how bad Muslims are and how evil Muhammad was. Take your unsubstantiated slander elsewhere. I'm happy to have a discussion via messages that won't be limited to 500 characters. Peace.
Do watch "George Carlin on Religion" on you tube if you haven't already. It pains me to see nice sounding people like yourself getting absorbed in the cluches of the worst religion ever. But then thats me.
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Try observing the muslims in Orkut Islam community to know the spiritual level of muslims that have been practicing Islam for long. You will be shocked.
By the way, Africa and Middle East have a great Islamic influence and hence the violence.
"...great Islamic influence and hence the violence." Your logic is flawed. I could counter with arguments like this: "By the way, Africa and Middle East have both been seriously impacted by Western colonialism and neo-imperialism and hence the violence" or "...Africa and Middle East are both relatively poor and underdeveloped areas and hence the violence." All of these arguments have truth but no single factor, least of all Islam can explain the violence.
To be honest, I've had this debate so many times on these comments and I'm not interested in doing it again. So, unless you have something new to bring you can check the older comments as I'm sure you'll find somebody has already made the same types of arguments.
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Dude you seem to be an American... and in my disgust towards Islam... I said what I said. I am here in India and have seen the face of Islam from a much longer time. There is no new argument against Islam because this is what it has always been. A violence promoting, lie defending propaganda machinery that is out to recruit young men, to die, in the name of God.
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Muslims here have no spiritual / intellectual superiority in daily life as compared to any other religion or even an average atheist. In fact they are always bickering and fighting over useless details abou the nature of God.
Did you know that even painting is Harram in Islam, So is music and So is chess.
Obviously these are things that required skill more than the prophet could handle himself. I guess you will understand what I am implying.
I'm not trying to sell Islam to anyone and I'm certainly not trying to justify the actions of any Muslims. Why is it so hard for people to understand that Muslims are just like anyone else in that they can fall prey to human prejudices and vices without it reflecting on Islam. Your arguments have no weight--they are just circumstantial and anecdotal and don't speak to Islam but reflect on individual Muslims. What's more, they don't speak to the video.
@BigSpoon19 mashallah 4 ur sayin...im a 16yr old gurl who loves her religion (islam) and really happy within to c ppl like you defending islam...just mashallah
I think it a waste of time to debate on religion unless u really want to find out the truth and convert. For those who dont believe in muslim so be it. Im a muslim. Like jesus(pbuh) say those who condemn will be condemn. love ur enemy. he didnt say condemn ur enemy.
I'm beginning to think it is a waste of time to debate some of these people. I've spent so much energy on these comments just trying to argue with people who just want to trash Islam and it doesn't matter. They've made up their minds. Anyway, thanks for commenting. Peace.
You think your positiion is that weak? Then you do agree with me, in spite of your denials. How is anyone 'trashing Islam' by refering to the actions of its ranks and the ultimate goal made clear in the teaching of the 'prophet' and modern Muslim ideologists?
No, I think you are a fool who isn't listening. You've plainly demonstrated that you don't care about discussion. You want a pulpit. You just hear what you want, see what you want and are woefully uninformed. Now, pretend to be a mature adult who understands when the discussion is over.
Jesus the LORD is often quoted by Muslims, and yet the majority of you exposit that the Gospels are corrupted. How, if they are so courrupted, do you rely on them here?
One liil (hv big difference) correction, Muslims believe Jesus (peace be upon him ) as a human being, a messenger of Allah(God) never a son of God but son of righteous virgin Mariam( Mary peace be upon her). If u search in Quran u can find number of vereses regarding Jesus (2nd most mentioned prophet), Moses (highest number of mentions) in Quraan. Just today I read this Chap 2: verse 136 n onward. May Allah (God) help u understand . Peace
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You have redacted the Torah, edited the New Covenant and blurred the lines of the office of Prophet for two sinister reasons, [1] for the purpose of elevating Mohammad into Prophethood where he does not belong, and [2] In order to reduce the LORD Christ to the station of a mere Prophet. Neither is true, as scripture proves.
Also history of conflict within muslim, sunnis and siya is not very old. Middle East used to be very properous part of world both economically and culturally till last century. YOu might not believe that few decades ago Afganistan was also a developed nation .
And during the cold war, American government(CIA, FBI) used radical muslims to cause problem in muslim countries under USSR and to conflict within USSR.
I think you've brought up very important points. People often fail to realize that this type of conflict was not always a part of the Middle East and this is a strong indicator that it is not inherently Islamic. Thanks.
Afghanistan was never a developed nation. Still, the wars with the Soviets took a horrible toll on that poor nation. Let's hope that militant Islam will allow schools to teach, hospitals to heal and faith to flourish. I believe it will not.
Hope it makes sense to you. Do you think militant Islams want to see their own brothers and sisters killed by car bombs. TThey have their own justification that is to PROTECT THEIR WAY OF LIFE (CULTURE). Lets go the root cause, rather than judging by whats happening. thanks.
Now USA is in their trying to make things better. But I don't beleive that teaching people with such a glorius past American to live ( which doesn't necessrily mean perfect to that society ) will make things better . Rather create negaitive feelings towards USA to. Just like Americans, during cold war stood up against USSR to protect the American way of life, they would also stand against USA to protect their way of life. ANd more and more muslims will be diverted towdards radicalism.
Let's not forget why we invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban was undeniably harboring terrorists who were behind the WTC bombings, and they had to be killed. To call the invasion some kind of re-socialisation into Western ideals is false. They are not defending a way of life, they are defending terrorism.
What you wrote is true but you stepped over in the time line. 1)First USSR invaded 2) As a result radical muslims, Talibans were born, West developed radical muslims, 3) Taliban reached in Power and things got worse and all the thing that you happened during that time. Though the cause for american invasion was to clear terrorism from there but they are also teaching people the American way to live.
When I say developed it doesn't necessarily mean a like AMerica, I am saying it was self sustained country.But after the interference of west by countries like USSR at first, things worsened. And radical muslims were developed, supporting their sayings, by some out of context doctrines in Quran.
Self-sustaining by the farmers, right? Who grew opium which was/is used to finance jihad, drug addiction and worldwide horror shows like we see on the streets of every capital city on the planet.
Opium cultivation and all the other thing you are talking about started in Afganistan, only after repeated conflicts with the west which began with USSR...
I see now. Everything was 'peachy' until the dirty, evil Westerner appeared on the horizon with ideas like human rights, education for women, healthcare and freedom of conscience. Got it now, thanks for setting me straight!
Christian nations, most of which are economically rich, do that in diplomatic way providing fund to poor and things like that but muslim do it with force which is the only option left for them as they can't afford high budget. In the process some other people take the opportunity to fill their bank account and make the conditon in places like africa worse.
Force is never an option in prosylatizing religion. Either your scripture can take a beating and survive on its own, or it must go. Islam is imploding around the world, and for all its willpower, it will soon fall into chaos, despair and doom. Religion must have a core faith, not sharp swords.
Since both muslims and christian believe in a sole God, both of these religions try to spread there religion around the world in their own way. Christian and muslim both are trying to spread their religion in Africa( in the part where people still live in wilderness).
Yes, but only Muslims are actively engaged in enslaving Christians, selling them into lifelong bondage, and citing the Quran as the permissive authoirty.
Please provide some examples of active Muslim slaving and kindly cite how this is in line with the principles of Islam. Just because slavery was a part of Ancient Arabian society and is therefore mentioned in the Qur'an does not mean that Islam supports modern slavery any more than does the Bible (which was also heavily referenced by 18th-19th century Christians who wanted to justify chattel slavery).
Examples can be found in Africa where right now where Christian blacks are being sold into bondage by Muslims, people are being slaughtered [8:67;8:39]for being Chrsitian, and the Quran is the guiding force behind the bloodshed and bondage in Iraq as well. If the Quran can't be used to justify such horror, shouldn't you be challenging the 'misuse' of your scripture, rather than my pointing it out?
I definitely agree that scripture is being misused and I think Muslims have to deal with this. My comments come from an outsider and are referring to other outsiders trying to inaccurately characterize Islam in a negative way simply because some Muslims have found things in the Qur'an which justify terrible actions. You have to be able to separate the individual believer from the faith in order to clearly discern all of the relevant factors.
The notion that scripture is being misused was food for thought. Islamic dogma is anacronistic, and being carried out perfectly when Muslims are murdering, bombing, enslaving and forcing non-Muslims to convert or die. I am in 'Dar-Harb', or the 'Land of War' and therefore not an outsider. The Muslim does not separate himself as an 'individual believer' from 'the faith', so why should I? I take both on their merits, not idealised image.
That makes perfect sense, let's pick a single believer of every faith, completely ignore any other influences on that person and judge the faith by that individual. OK, let's pick Rev. Fred Phelps for Christianity, Osama bin Laden for Islam. I think that will probably give us an accurate sample of the beliefs of every member of their respective faiths. You know you've convinced me...
I haven't picked Bin Laden, Bin Laden picked the Quran. I am judging Mohammadism based on the texts which gave birth to, and continue to influence his followers. What part of the Quran would you like me to consider as a narrow enough sample to comvince me that somehow I have it all wrong? More impostantly, what part have you yet to read?
You have, in fact, picked bin Laden and his ilk and presented them as representatives of Islam. You deliberately choose to ignore the vast majority of Muslims as well as an early history of tolerance by Muslims--a tolerance which was remarkable when compared to contemporary Christian states. Your short-sighted, non-contextual view of Islamic history is sad, though not all that surprising. You have an agenda, but alas, I am finished helping you promote it.
There are 1.2 billion Muslims and even if just 10% of the men B/T ages of 18-35 are radical, then there are tens of millions just like Bin Laden. Also, your appeal to the 'early history of tolerance' fails because its [1]not true, [2]a very long time ago. Lets keep the discussion to the last century [c.1948], rather than cull 1,400 years all of history together into a blurred and worldview. My conception of Islam is garnered from the Quran, Sunnah and Haditha.
I see now that Muslim extremists are not influenced by worldly concerns as are others. They are just pious, observant believers who are simply following their religion. The aberrations are the millions of peaceful Muslims and the beautiful teachings that exist within Islam. Be afraid, everyone. I'm done, you've convinced me.
You are being satirical, but you're onto it. Read Abdul Ala Madudi's writings to see into the modern Muslim's view of the world. And, to minimize the effect of extremists on the common Islamic agenda is wishful thinking.
I'm really glad you picked up on the satire. You claim that I'm on the right track but you fail to explain why this is a reasonable way to judge anything. Why should we ignore all of the other factors which we know contribute to violence because you say it's all about Islam?
You dearly want to weigh the facts with the predetermined exonneration of Islam as the goal. I can't equivicate as easily as you do. I have to look at the whole picture, with my eye on the teachings and in the case of Mohammadism, they are first and foremost, violent. I don't ignore any facts, but I will look at the surahs for the answers. Maybe you should too.
You've utterly missed the point. My video contained no comments on whether Islam is good or bad, I simply asked that conflicts in the modern Middle East be viewed in all their complexity. It's comical that you bring up a predetermined judgement when you have so clearly condemned Islam already. Or is the culture of the seminary suddenly one of religious tolerance?
I haven't missed any point, as your written comments amend and ameliorate your video. All conflicts are complex, but that doesn't excuse them when they are sectarian civil wars motivated by religious intolerance. The principles of Islam are in the Quran, not in M.E. art, architecture and music.
Dude, You have already set your mind to prove muslims wrong. While researching on the issues of M.E conflicts, you will always look for the points that support your views for muslims. I don't think you would ever get the real picture of whats going in ME and the role of West in it. peace brother...
I have set my mind to establishing the truth, not giving in to military and religious propaganda. One need only look to the Quran for philosohical insight, and then see it played out on Islamic media and popular entertainment, all for for mass education of the next generation of MurderBombers and jihadists. What role does the West have it in? Explain it.
You have made a very good comments. But about the last part of your speech I think I have to comment. There wasn't always conflict in middle east. This actually started only after settling jews in the muslim land in ISRAEL after the holocaust.
there hasn't always been conflict? Just how did Mohammad's religion become dominant? Jews coming back to Palestine is prophesy fulfilled, and Islam seems to be taking the wrong side in the conflict.
Islam became the dominant faith in the Near East in large part because of the prosperity, egalitarianism and tolerance of the faith which attracted converts. There was little to no forced conversion during the earliest spread of Islam. The early Caliphs were not interested in making everyone Muslim.
That is just patently false. Its not even revisionist, its just false. Take even a cursory view of the first century of Islamic devlopment, and its impossible not to see the sword and the spoils of war being by and far the leading factor. Mohammad made the plunder of possessions a central theme in his doctrine [8:41] in order to attract neighboring tribes to 'submit'. Those who did not were later killed.
The leading factor in what? I don't doubt that some Arab sheikhs were attracted to the new faith because they hoped to achieve material gain. Furthermore, there is no doubt that without military conquest far fewer people would have been exposed to Islam. But, the reason for conversions was by-and-large because many of the former subjects of the Byzantines and Persians welcomed Muslim rule as far less oppressive and Islamic ideals were very attractive.
When politics is justified by religion, this kind of conflicts happen. Muslims were living in present Israel ( past Palestine). Merciful muslims refuged Jews after the holocaust . But there land was taken over by Jews, which was supported by USA and church and such political act was justified by religion, WHAT A SHAME. Since then Peace never prevailed in M.E.
Your facts and theology are wrong on many levels. The fact is that Israel has a right to exist, and the theology is that Mohammadism demands the obliteration of the Jews in order to subvert the will and word of God to the pagan god of Mecca. This has been foretold for centuries before Mohammad was born in sin.
...but then you look young, you haven't traveled to that part of the world like I have....travel and learn, boy. But be careful if you go to the ME, you never know when islam (or terror) strikes again!
So, because you've traveled to the Middle East, you're an expert? Did that happen immediately after you stepped off the plane or did you have to leave the airport? I just want to find out how I can most quickly achieve your obviously vast levels of experience and wisdom.
You're very clear with your opinions and unafraid to immerse yourself in this fiery inferno of a debate. And, best of all, you still maintain your cool. Good on yer. If only Islamophobes would stop dealing out labels like "evil" which are only derived from their own religious definitions of Muslims.
Thank you for the kind words. I think you are right on to point out how labels have divided and have become more important than understanding the common humanity we all share.
muslims live like cavemen dude, go and see the world you half muslim idiot. You're idolizing a cult that spread caos and poverty and human rights violations....then they spread and multiply just like a VIRUS...
Refute that....lol....impossible. (btw I know several hadith's by heart, so don't try to fool me)
I'm so tired of this inane nonsense...I presume you watched my video, yet you didn't listen. Please, explain to me how it is Islam that has "spread caos [sic] and poverty and human rights violations." Please demonstrate to me how these are not products of politically and economically unstable societies. Nobody is trying to "fool you" oh, wise memorizer of hadiths. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.
If killing hundreds of ppl in suicide attacks every month in muslim countries isn't CAOS, then by all means explain the word CAOS to us.
Also, this is not a product of modern policies against that region....this is an ongoing saga that has been going on since the rise of islam.
I can tell you that poor nations like bolivia respect eachother and they don't blow themselves up. You wanted a demonstration, you got one. I can go on with more examples of that.
You proved nothing. Iraq, a Muslim country, is certainly in a state of chaos but this demonstrates nothing. You've just restated your point without proving it at all. I would love to hear you try to prove that this has been going on since the birth of Islam. Just a cursory look at the history of Islam as well as the histories of some of the current conflicts will show that that is just not true. Also, simply pointing to other poor countries that don't have the same problems is irrelevant.
Don't talk about proof dude, cause you ain't showing us any eather
anway....want to see the complete list of organisations that kills innocent ppl and to what religion they are connected to? (I'm not using the term "terrorist" because you'll prolly say it's a subjective term).
Your arguments have no foundation. I just proved to you a nation (out of many) that are poor and yet they don't show any signs of violence.
It's like talking to a brick wall...just because Muslims do bad things or people say they are killing for Islam does not mean that Islam actually has anything to do with their actions. What simpletons (you) can't understand is that these conflicts in the Middle East are extremely complex. I never said all poor countries are violent. I said that when you get a mix of nationalism, poverty, real and perceived oppression, frustration, inept and corrupt government, etc. you can have a violent result.
What version of the Qur'an is mine, exactly? I don't remember talking about the Qur'an in my video...perhaps you have a comment about what I actually said?
BiGspoon, there are considerable attempts to whitewash the Quran to make is more palatable to Western audiences. Read it carefully, and ask yourself if the poverty facing so many in the M.E. is the fault of the West, or those who use religion to subjugate the very poor you and I consider so valuable to God?
I wouldn't want to try to pin all of the blame for the poverty in the M.E. on the West, nor do I think I have. Certainly Middle Eastern leaders have used the conflicts to divert attention from internal problems and have continuously squandered opportunities to diversify their economies in favor of quick oil profits. However, to deny the West's tampering in regional politics to promote our economic hegemony would be equally shortsighted.
They are not complex. The conflicts are there because they mixed politics and economics with religion. You try to make them sound complex but that's really not the case. At least we agree on that violence feeds violence.
I agree that the mix of religion, politics and other elements is the cause of much of the violence. Religion can be a powerful motivator but I think the complexity comes from the fact that it isn't a situation in which Muslims are just killing non-Muslims because they are non-Muslim. Islam is cynically used as a motivator in a conflict that would exist even if Islam wasn't the primary religion.
Right, call me a communist. Ad hom attacks are always good technique. Islam is an incredibly wide-spread religion, particularly in the underdeveloped world so your statistic (I'd also like to see a source for that number) is purely circumstantial. I'd wager that a similarly high percentage of the world's conflicts involve non-whites. By your "logic" (I use the term loosely) one would conclude that non-whites are more violent and conflict-prone. It wouldn't surprise me if you did say that.
Here your 'non-religious causes[of violence]' scenario fails, because only the Quran, from the sources you cite, contains explicit language to go about killing non-Mulsims. You could probably find similar political inspiration in concepts like 'manifest destiny' but here in the 21st century, it appears that only Islamic Imperialsim is couched in religious rhetoric.
I'm not sure what your point is here...it matters little that the manipulation of Islam has been commonly used to justify violence. The question is whether this is a common, complete or correct interpretation of Islamic teachings. To do this one must understand them in their proper historical context. Admittedly, this is difficult to determine conclusively but I think it's fair to reference the vast majority of Muslims as relevant examples.
Ultimately, you have to return to the Quran for the inspiration, motive and authority of Islam. Muslims do not put the Quran into 'historical context' and you are intellectualizing a nationalist movement with the same goals today as there were 1400 years ago, and the same methods available to carry that out. So please, continue your research.
Islam was certainly not a "nationalist movement" and many of the most radical Muslims are extremely opposed to the Arab nationalism which emerged prior to the First World War. I also think you are incorrect in generalizing the way Muslims view the beginnings of Islam. It seems clear to me that the vast majority of Muslims do understand that that was a different time with very different circumstances.
Agreed. But the Muslim refuses to even enter into the dialoue concerning the 'cynical use' of the Quran, and in fact, only obfucates by refuffing concedeable facts. Then there is the necessary pointing to some historical Western failure to justify modren disappointments of Islam, only abetting terrorism in the name of 'allah'.
I don't think it's about justifying terrorism. I think it's about understanding why these people do these things without simply condemning the group or the religion.
I think a deep look at the Qur'an and hadiths as well as the biographies of Muhammad provide telling background for some of the things which critics love to bring up. I certainly hope to continue learning. I would again ask that you please use the message system if you would like to further this discussion. Thanks.
But, when Muslims do bad things and can find verses in the Quran to support it [beating women, beheadings, et al.] we have an entirely different syllogism.
I think one can find verses to justify a lot of things in any religious or ethical teaching but that doesn't mean that the Qur'an, for example, is being interpreted as it was meant to be. I would really prefer to conduct this type of discussion via messages to avoid the character limits and to keep our thoughts organized more clearly. I appreciate your tone in this discussion--it is much more reasonable that much of what I've received.
thank u so much for this video!!! you are very fare! also, where ever islam is terror its because nonmuslims GO THERE and cause it, all the fighting is in middle east cuz nonmuslims go there and distroy every thing.then u say its the muslimz.
Did I make any comments on the Qur'an? No. I spoke (very generally) on violence in the Middle East. This is something on which I have done some study, so who's talking out of their ass?
I'm sorry, sometimes I tend to be a little harsh. No personal offense meant!
You replied to a, at least fair and well done, comment on a ranting about the peacefullnes of the Islam, which was based on the absurdities found in the Koran.
With all respect, I cannot share your view of non-muslims causing „the" violence. This is a dangerous simplification.
We have to understand that our modern society is clashing against structures that haven't been thought over since the mid-ages.
No worries. I wouldn't want you to think that I am trying to oversimplify things in that way. Let me clarify: I certainly think Muslims participate in violence and that some even do so in the name of religion. My point is that the religion, at its core, is not the cause of this type of violence but rather political, economic and social upheaval. I don't really buy Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" theory (if that's what you're referencing). Too systematic for me...
I do think that their is a conflict between reactionary fundamentalism and liberal progressivism in the Muslim world and this manifests itself religiously. I think that the political and economic instability also serves to create frustration and creates a situation in which the conflict also manifests itself violently.
plz brother/sister, if u wish to say somthin to some one, please choose yr words ((OUT YR AS)) i dont think thats how prophet Muhammad would have delt with it.also its not a muslim charecter to use profanity, its the non-religiuse ppl whom make it seem ok to use such lingo.i wouldant want a non muslim telling me((im talkin out my ass))
I keep trying to post this comment but its not posting... anyways I was not directing the remark about slander to you but rather to the other people below who have said many slanderous things about Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).
BigSpoon, I was not saying that you had slandered the Prophet (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him)- that comment was directed towards some things that other people had posten in the text comments below. But I would like to clear one misconception that you had about the abuse of women being allowed in Islam.
Thank so you much for your solidarity BigSpoon19. The points you made were quite valid. I would just like to point out that in Islam, we are commanded to respect Prophet Jesus and Prophet Moses (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Them) and all the other Prophets as well as The Bible and The Torah. As Muslims we must show the same respect to all the holy books and all the Prophets, so please do not slander such a virtuous man as the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him).
No I was not saying that you said anything slanderous about the prophet. That bit of the comment was directed to people who have posted slanderous things about Prophet Muhammad below. The only thing I wanted to point out to you is that the abuse of women is not tolerated in Islam. If you would like to me to clarify I would be happy to do so.
I think it is important. You're right: Many people have an agenda when they bring up important or sensitive issues. They're more interested in winning an argument or convincing others than actually discussing. Thanks for the comment.
Mohammed pbuh was illiterate but wait a min can you possibly write even a line as good as the literature in the Quran. truelly i have never met an illiterate person write such a good book on literature.You need 2 get ur facts right and perhaps think before talking in future so u can back up what point you are trying to make.
What facts did I get wrong? Do you even understand the point I was trying to make? I'm saying the Muhammad didn't just copy from texts he read elsewhere. This could suggest that he was divinely inspired. This supports the Muslim perspective.
Why Thank-you, anything to get a rise out of those who are condemend to hell for following Satan. Allah was the name for several Moon gods in the ancient mid-east polytheism. Muhammed got many ancient writings from other cultures, including Jewish, Gnostic and Christian. Muhammed hated Jews because they saw the truth of his lies and mocked him... he drew first blood. Oldest trick of tyrants, get the people to rise against a percieved enemy.
Muhammad was illiterate and certainly not a religious scholar so it's unlikely that he drew on religious texts. Traditions perhaps but Islam was unique. You ignore the fact that the Jews were not a "perceived enemy"--they were Arabs--and actually challenged the Muslim community first.
Muslimporkbellies, You are 10 times worse than BigSpoon. You only know how to spout name calling obsenities and just can't stick with facts, can you. Get lost!
i once was lost... but now I'm found. I worked with muslims until I had my life threatened for disagreeing with them in a polite way, they were not very polite to me once they could not delude me into believing their lies.
And how was your experience indicative of fundamental belief. People love to point out that Muslims are people and make the same mistakes all people make to try to prove how bad Islam is. It's silly.
You've still completely failed to understand the complexities of the issues involved in the conflicts on "the news." Whether you believe in Islam or not, whether you believe it's true or if you believe it's a lie, it is idiotic to attribute the conflicts in the Middle East solely to Islam. It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the issues and it demonstrates that you simply have an agenda.
wow, interesting youtube name. Did Satan suggest it to u? were there any other choices besides this one? like nigger on a stick perhaps. LOL, ur a pathetic excuse for a human being!
Many people once converted to fascism. So that doesn't say nothing.
Muhammad was a rapist, murderer, paedophile, racist, warmonger, slave driver, extortionist, blackmailer, thief, robber baron, liar, pervert and oppressor.
Islam is a fascist cult of death and terror which oppresses women and threatens all non-muslims and considers them inferior.
wow, i never knew cults like that lasted so long. Over 1400 years and still going strong! I mean the Nazi regime led by Hitler lasted about 20-25 years and that was extreamly evil. This Islam must be led by Satan himself! LOL. Du u know how fucked up u sound u racist piece of shit!
I'd like a comment from you about the Muslim cabbies at the Minneapolis airport who won't take fares if the people have alcohol or a dog. Even a seeing eye dog. Shari'a law is above any other law according to ANY devout Muslim. They come here, but want to change US.Slowly but surely!
You're right! Those horrible Muslims are trying to practice their religion in THEIR OWN CABS! That IS insidious! It's obviously a conspiracy to change America! I'm so glad you've ferreted out this diabolical scheme by these evil people! Have you heard about the evil Jews who won't work on the Sabbath? AND, they won't eat certain foods!! Their trying to attack our economy and trying to change America!!
They may own their own vehicles, but they are regulated by the city of Minneapolis and are licensed to carry ALL passengers. I have never said they were evil or that this is a diabolical scheme or insinuated such. Not eating what YOU don't want or chosing not working is not a public thing like being a cab driver on duty, who is forcing his religion on the city of Minneapolis citizens.Again, calling names, tells me that you are like the uneducated. You have no other way to disagree.
It actually is the same thing. Not wanting to work around what YOU don't think is ok (as strange as it may seem to others) is your choice. And you ARE insinuating that this is something that demonstrates that we should not trust Muslims or they are not good Americans. You're make very large leaps of logic. I didn't call you a name. I said that what you are saying is xenophobic and ignorant. Whatever you believe, your comments are of the kind that causes people to fear those that are different.
I do think it shouldn't matter to the cabbie what the passenger is doing, but it does. To make the leap in logic that because people choose to practice their religion in a strange way, they are going to turn on everybody when push comes to shove is silly. I think I'm done with this unless you want to address something said in my video. I've allowed you to completely pull me off the topic and not only is it silly, but completely irrelevant. Be afraid of whoever you like. Have fun with that.
I never said I was afraid. Time will tell won't it, who's right. Frankly, I celebrate the differences and that we have the right to practice our different religions. You sure can't do that any Muslim country. I'm done. We shall see.
One more thing, (sorry I can't help it), How did the Minneapolis Muslim cabbies get to the USA or other Muslims who travel on airplanes where alcohol is present & served? Of course. They pick and chose their battles seems to me.
There you go, you said it all right there. Good on ya!We now have an Egg Hunt and a Bunny comes to our park the week before Easter instead of an Easter Egg Hunt or a visit from the Easter Bunny. We can't even HINT that this is a religious holiday. Political correctness is crap and freedom is down the tube here also.
I completely agree. I think it's quite silly that people are so sensitive to others' religious beliefs that they are offended when they see any hint of religious practice in public. It's ridiculous.
thank you for this video. you rock
iraqiguy 4 months ago
@iraqiguy Thank you for the comment!
BigSpoon19 4 months ago
@bigspoon19 thank you for giving such an enlightening talk,your voice is filled with a lot of love....we need more people like you.God bless u..and keep up with the good work!
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@lavender985 Thank you very much for the kind comment. Peace.
BigSpoon19 4 months ago
Thank you
shajil999 5 months ago
@shajil999 Thank you for the comment and the support.
BigSpoon19 5 months ago
@BigSpoon19 sorry man , ya I posted my comments b4 I see the video plz forgive me
MrBigboss20011 9 months ago
No problem at all. Peace.
BigSpoon19 9 months ago
@MrBigboss20011 I'm a Muslim myself and trust me, you've misunderstood BigSpoon19's point. He was merely defending Islam and not attacking Islam. If you can't understand something, please do not post negative comments and spread hatred.
xStainedx 9 months ago
bro you sound very open minded
we need people like you !
peace (salam)
MrPathanStyle 1 year ago
I appreciate your openmindedness and defense. Its a shame that there could not be more nonmuslim and muslim people like you. All cultures, religions, and nations have their faults, and if more people would just stand up with an openmind like you did, a lot would change. We dont have any right to point fingers, when the reality is that ALMOST all cultures, religions, and nations have similar history.
aliyahrahman1001 1 year ago
sorry man, i closed the video after 0:15 when you said, ''I am not a muslim and I am not particularly knowledgable in islam''. If you not well learned in islam, what validity does your video have? you are very strange. :P
MrSWATIMAN 1 year ago
@MrSWATIMAN Why do I have to be an expert in Islam to discuss the socio-political reasons for violence in the Middle East? That's the point--something you might have known if you watched the video. But you didn't watch the video, yet felt compelled to comment--talk about strange...
BigSpoon19 1 year ago
@BigSpoon19 hahaha! sorry man i was a bit stupid to comment before even watching the video! my mistake entirely! by the way, i did watch your video now, and i agree 101% with u! there are many others factors at work here leading to violence instead of Islam. Like I always say, ''There is so much violence around because of LACK of Islam not because OF Islam.'' Actually I just made that up. pretty cool though. PEACE ;)
MrSWATIMAN 1 year ago
@BigSpoon19 Mind the negative comments that you get. I actually believe that one of the main reasons all religions, cultures and countries can't get along very well is because of closed-minded people that can't even listen to a 5 min. video just because the person who made it isn't "one of theirs". I'm a Muslim and even if I wasn't, I see you rather DEFENDING Islam. Some Muslims here obviously can't follow through with the prophet's studies and treat non-Muslims as brothers in humanity.
xStainedx 9 months ago
Thank you for the support. Fortunately, the vast majority of Muslims who have commented have been very supportive. Thanks for commenting.
BigSpoon19 9 months ago
Oh I love this man who had the courage and devoted his time to say something fair in this video
You have said things that would''ve been difficult for me as a Muslim to explain. I compliment you . Very well done. With this mentality and objectivity, I must congratulate you.
I hope you.ll have a chance to read my comment, though very late and hear that you did
brain2770 1 year ago
and about islam and violence look at Emarats and Dubai and Qatar and Tunisia and Morroco and Algeria....... not just Afghanistan and Pakistan ^^
khaaaled2007 1 year ago
Islam is a modern religion and god made it for the whole world and for all the time especially with" Elkyas and Ijtihad " It says that u need to adjust with time and place
khaaaled2007 1 year ago
Your so stupid go read a book..
madman1213 1 year ago
@madman1213 Oh, the irony. Perhaps you should take your own advice. Then you might learn some proper punctuation and sentence structure. Maybe you'll even learn the difference between "your" and "you're."
But I'm listening now. Enlighten me.
BigSpoon19 1 year ago
I love your video... Especially since you are not a muslim... I wish people were more open minded like you!
ooobabyblueyezooo 1 year ago
@ooobabyblueyezooo Thank you very much.
BigSpoon19 1 year ago
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OK folks, I'm done with this video. If you have something new to add, send me a message. I really don't want to have to continue having the same tired and ridiculous debates about how awful Islam is and how bad Muslims are and how evil Muhammad was. Take your unsubstantiated slander elsewhere. I'm happy to have a discussion via messages that won't be limited to 500 characters. Peace.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Do watch "George Carlin on Religion" on you tube if you haven't already. It pains me to see nice sounding people like yourself getting absorbed in the cluches of the worst religion ever. But then thats me.
DannyWells 4 years ago
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Try observing the muslims in Orkut Islam community to know the spiritual level of muslims that have been practicing Islam for long. You will be shocked.
By the way, Africa and Middle East have a great Islamic influence and hence the violence.
DannyWells 4 years ago
"...great Islamic influence and hence the violence." Your logic is flawed. I could counter with arguments like this: "By the way, Africa and Middle East have both been seriously impacted by Western colonialism and neo-imperialism and hence the violence" or "...Africa and Middle East are both relatively poor and underdeveloped areas and hence the violence." All of these arguments have truth but no single factor, least of all Islam can explain the violence.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
To be honest, I've had this debate so many times on these comments and I'm not interested in doing it again. So, unless you have something new to bring you can check the older comments as I'm sure you'll find somebody has already made the same types of arguments.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
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Dude you seem to be an American... and in my disgust towards Islam... I said what I said. I am here in India and have seen the face of Islam from a much longer time. There is no new argument against Islam because this is what it has always been. A violence promoting, lie defending propaganda machinery that is out to recruit young men, to die, in the name of God.
DannyWells 4 years ago
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Muslims here have no spiritual / intellectual superiority in daily life as compared to any other religion or even an average atheist. In fact they are always bickering and fighting over useless details abou the nature of God.
Did you know that even painting is Harram in Islam, So is music and So is chess.
Obviously these are things that required skill more than the prophet could handle himself. I guess you will understand what I am implying.
DannyWells 4 years ago
I'm not trying to sell Islam to anyone and I'm certainly not trying to justify the actions of any Muslims. Why is it so hard for people to understand that Muslims are just like anyone else in that they can fall prey to human prejudices and vices without it reflecting on Islam. Your arguments have no weight--they are just circumstantial and anecdotal and don't speak to Islam but reflect on individual Muslims. What's more, they don't speak to the video.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
@BigSpoon19 mashallah 4 ur sayin...im a 16yr old gurl who loves her religion (islam) and really happy within to c ppl like you defending islam...just mashallah
obak18 1 year ago
@obak18 Thank you very much. Peace.
BigSpoon19 1 year ago
I think it a waste of time to debate on religion unless u really want to find out the truth and convert. For those who dont believe in muslim so be it. Im a muslim. Like jesus(pbuh) say those who condemn will be condemn. love ur enemy. he didnt say condemn ur enemy.
johanindri 4 years ago
I'm beginning to think it is a waste of time to debate some of these people. I've spent so much energy on these comments just trying to argue with people who just want to trash Islam and it doesn't matter. They've made up their minds. Anyway, thanks for commenting. Peace.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
You think your positiion is that weak? Then you do agree with me, in spite of your denials. How is anyone 'trashing Islam' by refering to the actions of its ranks and the ultimate goal made clear in the teaching of the 'prophet' and modern Muslim ideologists?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
No, I think you are a fool who isn't listening. You've plainly demonstrated that you don't care about discussion. You want a pulpit. You just hear what you want, see what you want and are woefully uninformed. Now, pretend to be a mature adult who understands when the discussion is over.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Jesus the LORD is often quoted by Muslims, and yet the majority of you exposit that the Gospels are corrupted. How, if they are so courrupted, do you rely on them here?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
One liil (hv big difference) correction, Muslims believe Jesus (peace be upon him ) as a human being, a messenger of Allah(God) never a son of God but son of righteous virgin Mariam( Mary peace be upon her). If u search in Quran u can find number of vereses regarding Jesus (2nd most mentioned prophet), Moses (highest number of mentions) in Quraan. Just today I read this Chap 2: verse 136 n onward. May Allah (God) help u understand . Peace
falumian 4 years ago 23
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You have redacted the Torah, edited the New Covenant and blurred the lines of the office of Prophet for two sinister reasons, [1] for the purpose of elevating Mohammad into Prophethood where he does not belong, and [2] In order to reduce the LORD Christ to the station of a mere Prophet. Neither is true, as scripture proves.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
BigSpoon, just so we understand one another. You are a Muslim, correct?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I am not a Muslim.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Also history of conflict within muslim, sunnis and siya is not very old. Middle East used to be very properous part of world both economically and culturally till last century. YOu might not believe that few decades ago Afganistan was also a developed nation .
pp44 4 years ago
And during the cold war, American government(CIA, FBI) used radical muslims to cause problem in muslim countries under USSR and to conflict within USSR.
Al-Queda is also the product of America.
pp44 4 years ago
I think you've brought up very important points. People often fail to realize that this type of conflict was not always a part of the Middle East and this is a strong indicator that it is not inherently Islamic. Thanks.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Afghanistan was never a developed nation. Still, the wars with the Soviets took a horrible toll on that poor nation. Let's hope that militant Islam will allow schools to teach, hospitals to heal and faith to flourish. I believe it will not.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Hope it makes sense to you. Do you think militant Islams want to see their own brothers and sisters killed by car bombs. TThey have their own justification that is to PROTECT THEIR WAY OF LIFE (CULTURE). Lets go the root cause, rather than judging by whats happening. thanks.
pp44 4 years ago
Now USA is in their trying to make things better. But I don't beleive that teaching people with such a glorius past American to live ( which doesn't necessrily mean perfect to that society ) will make things better . Rather create negaitive feelings towards USA to. Just like Americans, during cold war stood up against USSR to protect the American way of life, they would also stand against USA to protect their way of life. ANd more and more muslims will be diverted towdards radicalism.
pp44 4 years ago
Let's not forget why we invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban was undeniably harboring terrorists who were behind the WTC bombings, and they had to be killed. To call the invasion some kind of re-socialisation into Western ideals is false. They are not defending a way of life, they are defending terrorism.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
What you wrote is true but you stepped over in the time line. 1)First USSR invaded 2) As a result radical muslims, Talibans were born, West developed radical muslims, 3) Taliban reached in Power and things got worse and all the thing that you happened during that time. Though the cause for american invasion was to clear terrorism from there but they are also teaching people the American way to live.
pp44 4 years ago
Taliban was born from the Quran, USSR just provided the excuse.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
When I say developed it doesn't necessarily mean a like AMerica, I am saying it was self sustained country.But after the interference of west by countries like USSR at first, things worsened. And radical muslims were developed, supporting their sayings, by some out of context doctrines in Quran.
pp44 4 years ago
read this first NO.1 , the one above is no.2 and one above is no. 3.
pp44 4 years ago
Self-sustaining by the farmers, right? Who grew opium which was/is used to finance jihad, drug addiction and worldwide horror shows like we see on the streets of every capital city on the planet.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Opium cultivation and all the other thing you are talking about started in Afganistan, only after repeated conflicts with the west which began with USSR...
pp44 4 years ago
I see now. Everything was 'peachy' until the dirty, evil Westerner appeared on the horizon with ideas like human rights, education for women, healthcare and freedom of conscience. Got it now, thanks for setting me straight!
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Christian nations, most of which are economically rich, do that in diplomatic way providing fund to poor and things like that but muslim do it with force which is the only option left for them as they can't afford high budget. In the process some other people take the opportunity to fill their bank account and make the conditon in places like africa worse.
pp44 4 years ago
Force is never an option in prosylatizing religion. Either your scripture can take a beating and survive on its own, or it must go. Islam is imploding around the world, and for all its willpower, it will soon fall into chaos, despair and doom. Religion must have a core faith, not sharp swords.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Since both muslims and christian believe in a sole God, both of these religions try to spread there religion around the world in their own way. Christian and muslim both are trying to spread their religion in Africa( in the part where people still live in wilderness).
pp44 4 years ago
Yes, but only Muslims are actively engaged in enslaving Christians, selling them into lifelong bondage, and citing the Quran as the permissive authoirty.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Please provide some examples of active Muslim slaving and kindly cite how this is in line with the principles of Islam. Just because slavery was a part of Ancient Arabian society and is therefore mentioned in the Qur'an does not mean that Islam supports modern slavery any more than does the Bible (which was also heavily referenced by 18th-19th century Christians who wanted to justify chattel slavery).
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Examples can be found in Africa where right now where Christian blacks are being sold into bondage by Muslims, people are being slaughtered [8:67;8:39]for being Chrsitian, and the Quran is the guiding force behind the bloodshed and bondage in Iraq as well. If the Quran can't be used to justify such horror, shouldn't you be challenging the 'misuse' of your scripture, rather than my pointing it out?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I definitely agree that scripture is being misused and I think Muslims have to deal with this. My comments come from an outsider and are referring to other outsiders trying to inaccurately characterize Islam in a negative way simply because some Muslims have found things in the Qur'an which justify terrible actions. You have to be able to separate the individual believer from the faith in order to clearly discern all of the relevant factors.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
The notion that scripture is being misused was food for thought. Islamic dogma is anacronistic, and being carried out perfectly when Muslims are murdering, bombing, enslaving and forcing non-Muslims to convert or die. I am in 'Dar-Harb', or the 'Land of War' and therefore not an outsider. The Muslim does not separate himself as an 'individual believer' from 'the faith', so why should I? I take both on their merits, not idealised image.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
That makes perfect sense, let's pick a single believer of every faith, completely ignore any other influences on that person and judge the faith by that individual. OK, let's pick Rev. Fred Phelps for Christianity, Osama bin Laden for Islam. I think that will probably give us an accurate sample of the beliefs of every member of their respective faiths. You know you've convinced me...
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I haven't picked Bin Laden, Bin Laden picked the Quran. I am judging Mohammadism based on the texts which gave birth to, and continue to influence his followers. What part of the Quran would you like me to consider as a narrow enough sample to comvince me that somehow I have it all wrong? More impostantly, what part have you yet to read?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
You have, in fact, picked bin Laden and his ilk and presented them as representatives of Islam. You deliberately choose to ignore the vast majority of Muslims as well as an early history of tolerance by Muslims--a tolerance which was remarkable when compared to contemporary Christian states. Your short-sighted, non-contextual view of Islamic history is sad, though not all that surprising. You have an agenda, but alas, I am finished helping you promote it.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
There are 1.2 billion Muslims and even if just 10% of the men B/T ages of 18-35 are radical, then there are tens of millions just like Bin Laden. Also, your appeal to the 'early history of tolerance' fails because its [1]not true, [2]a very long time ago. Lets keep the discussion to the last century [c.1948], rather than cull 1,400 years all of history together into a blurred and worldview. My conception of Islam is garnered from the Quran, Sunnah and Haditha.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Such a waste of time.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I see now that Muslim extremists are not influenced by worldly concerns as are others. They are just pious, observant believers who are simply following their religion. The aberrations are the millions of peaceful Muslims and the beautiful teachings that exist within Islam. Be afraid, everyone. I'm done, you've convinced me.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
You are being satirical, but you're onto it. Read Abdul Ala Madudi's writings to see into the modern Muslim's view of the world. And, to minimize the effect of extremists on the common Islamic agenda is wishful thinking.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I'm really glad you picked up on the satire. You claim that I'm on the right track but you fail to explain why this is a reasonable way to judge anything. Why should we ignore all of the other factors which we know contribute to violence because you say it's all about Islam?
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
You dearly want to weigh the facts with the predetermined exonneration of Islam as the goal. I can't equivicate as easily as you do. I have to look at the whole picture, with my eye on the teachings and in the case of Mohammadism, they are first and foremost, violent. I don't ignore any facts, but I will look at the surahs for the answers. Maybe you should too.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
You've utterly missed the point. My video contained no comments on whether Islam is good or bad, I simply asked that conflicts in the modern Middle East be viewed in all their complexity. It's comical that you bring up a predetermined judgement when you have so clearly condemned Islam already. Or is the culture of the seminary suddenly one of religious tolerance?
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I haven't missed any point, as your written comments amend and ameliorate your video. All conflicts are complex, but that doesn't excuse them when they are sectarian civil wars motivated by religious intolerance. The principles of Islam are in the Quran, not in M.E. art, architecture and music.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Dude, You have already set your mind to prove muslims wrong. While researching on the issues of M.E conflicts, you will always look for the points that support your views for muslims. I don't think you would ever get the real picture of whats going in ME and the role of West in it. peace brother...
pp44 4 years ago
I have set my mind to establishing the truth, not giving in to military and religious propaganda. One need only look to the Quran for philosohical insight, and then see it played out on Islamic media and popular entertainment, all for for mass education of the next generation of MurderBombers and jihadists. What role does the West have it in? Explain it.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
You have made a very good comments. But about the last part of your speech I think I have to comment. There wasn't always conflict in middle east. This actually started only after settling jews in the muslim land in ISRAEL after the holocaust.
pp44 4 years ago
there hasn't always been conflict? Just how did Mohammad's religion become dominant? Jews coming back to Palestine is prophesy fulfilled, and Islam seems to be taking the wrong side in the conflict.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Islam became the dominant faith in the Near East in large part because of the prosperity, egalitarianism and tolerance of the faith which attracted converts. There was little to no forced conversion during the earliest spread of Islam. The early Caliphs were not interested in making everyone Muslim.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
That is just patently false. Its not even revisionist, its just false. Take even a cursory view of the first century of Islamic devlopment, and its impossible not to see the sword and the spoils of war being by and far the leading factor. Mohammad made the plunder of possessions a central theme in his doctrine [8:41] in order to attract neighboring tribes to 'submit'. Those who did not were later killed.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
The leading factor in what? I don't doubt that some Arab sheikhs were attracted to the new faith because they hoped to achieve material gain. Furthermore, there is no doubt that without military conquest far fewer people would have been exposed to Islam. But, the reason for conversions was by-and-large because many of the former subjects of the Byzantines and Persians welcomed Muslim rule as far less oppressive and Islamic ideals were very attractive.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
When politics is justified by religion, this kind of conflicts happen. Muslims were living in present Israel ( past Palestine). Merciful muslims refuged Jews after the holocaust . But there land was taken over by Jews, which was supported by USA and church and such political act was justified by religion, WHAT A SHAME. Since then Peace never prevailed in M.E.
pp44 4 years ago
Your facts and theology are wrong on many levels. The fact is that Israel has a right to exist, and the theology is that Mohammadism demands the obliteration of the Jews in order to subvert the will and word of God to the pagan god of Mecca. This has been foretold for centuries before Mohammad was born in sin.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
...but then you look young, you haven't traveled to that part of the world like I have....travel and learn, boy. But be careful if you go to the ME, you never know when islam (or terror) strikes again!
Marsalaam, infidel :D
iChile 4 years ago
So, because you've traveled to the Middle East, you're an expert? Did that happen immediately after you stepped off the plane or did you have to leave the airport? I just want to find out how I can most quickly achieve your obviously vast levels of experience and wisdom.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
brother i would say you have a mind of understanding and good reasoning. develop it further.
MuhsinTheMomin 4 years ago
Thank you very much.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Appreciate that. At least someone can understand. Really nice statements. Thanks a lot.
avyavo 4 years ago
Thank you. I appreciate the comments. Peace.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
You're very clear with your opinions and unafraid to immerse yourself in this fiery inferno of a debate. And, best of all, you still maintain your cool. Good on yer. If only Islamophobes would stop dealing out labels like "evil" which are only derived from their own religious definitions of Muslims.
vuralka 4 years ago
Thank you for the kind words. I think you are right on to point out how labels have divided and have become more important than understanding the common humanity we all share.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
good on ya that are nice statements.
saakb 4 years ago
Thank you.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
muslims live like cavemen dude, go and see the world you half muslim idiot. You're idolizing a cult that spread caos and poverty and human rights violations....then they spread and multiply just like a VIRUS...
Refute that....lol....impossible. (btw I know several hadith's by heart, so don't try to fool me)
iChile 4 years ago
I'm so tired of this inane nonsense...I presume you watched my video, yet you didn't listen. Please, explain to me how it is Islam that has "spread caos [sic] and poverty and human rights violations." Please demonstrate to me how these are not products of politically and economically unstable societies. Nobody is trying to "fool you" oh, wise memorizer of hadiths. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
If killing hundreds of ppl in suicide attacks every month in muslim countries isn't CAOS, then by all means explain the word CAOS to us.
Also, this is not a product of modern policies against that region....this is an ongoing saga that has been going on since the rise of islam.
I can tell you that poor nations like bolivia respect eachother and they don't blow themselves up. You wanted a demonstration, you got one. I can go on with more examples of that.
iChile 4 years ago
You proved nothing. Iraq, a Muslim country, is certainly in a state of chaos but this demonstrates nothing. You've just restated your point without proving it at all. I would love to hear you try to prove that this has been going on since the birth of Islam. Just a cursory look at the history of Islam as well as the histories of some of the current conflicts will show that that is just not true. Also, simply pointing to other poor countries that don't have the same problems is irrelevant.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Don't talk about proof dude, cause you ain't showing us any eather
anway....want to see the complete list of organisations that kills innocent ppl and to what religion they are connected to? (I'm not using the term "terrorist" because you'll prolly say it's a subjective term).
Your arguments have no foundation. I just proved to you a nation (out of many) that are poor and yet they don't show any signs of violence.
iChile 4 years ago
It's like talking to a brick wall...just because Muslims do bad things or people say they are killing for Islam does not mean that Islam actually has anything to do with their actions. What simpletons (you) can't understand is that these conflicts in the Middle East are extremely complex. I never said all poor countries are violent. I said that when you get a mix of nationalism, poverty, real and perceived oppression, frustration, inept and corrupt government, etc. you can have a violent result.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I think you should read the GENUINE Qur'an before you start supporting your version of the Qur'an that's soaked with Liberalism.
Stevo199 4 years ago
What version of the Qur'an is mine, exactly? I don't remember talking about the Qur'an in my video...perhaps you have a comment about what I actually said?
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
BiGspoon, there are considerable attempts to whitewash the Quran to make is more palatable to Western audiences. Read it carefully, and ask yourself if the poverty facing so many in the M.E. is the fault of the West, or those who use religion to subjugate the very poor you and I consider so valuable to God?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I wouldn't want to try to pin all of the blame for the poverty in the M.E. on the West, nor do I think I have. Certainly Middle Eastern leaders have used the conflicts to divert attention from internal problems and have continuously squandered opportunities to diversify their economies in favor of quick oil profits. However, to deny the West's tampering in regional politics to promote our economic hegemony would be equally shortsighted.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Do you think that M.E. leaders are 'tampering' in Western nations for the same goals?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
No, I don't think so.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
They are not complex. The conflicts are there because they mixed politics and economics with religion. You try to make them sound complex but that's really not the case. At least we agree on that violence feeds violence.
iChile 4 years ago
I agree that the mix of religion, politics and other elements is the cause of much of the violence. Religion can be a powerful motivator but I think the complexity comes from the fact that it isn't a situation in which Muslims are just killing non-Muslims because they are non-Muslim. Islam is cynically used as a motivator in a conflict that would exist even if Islam wasn't the primary religion.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
almost 95% of ALL armed conflicts are eather one or both sides muslim...
I don't understand what kind of proof you'd need to understand what the islamofacists are doing? Are you halfmuslim? Comunist?
iChile 4 years ago
Right, call me a communist. Ad hom attacks are always good technique. Islam is an incredibly wide-spread religion, particularly in the underdeveloped world so your statistic (I'd also like to see a source for that number) is purely circumstantial. I'd wager that a similarly high percentage of the world's conflicts involve non-whites. By your "logic" (I use the term loosely) one would conclude that non-whites are more violent and conflict-prone. It wouldn't surprise me if you did say that.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Here your 'non-religious causes[of violence]' scenario fails, because only the Quran, from the sources you cite, contains explicit language to go about killing non-Mulsims. You could probably find similar political inspiration in concepts like 'manifest destiny' but here in the 21st century, it appears that only Islamic Imperialsim is couched in religious rhetoric.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I'm not sure what your point is here...it matters little that the manipulation of Islam has been commonly used to justify violence. The question is whether this is a common, complete or correct interpretation of Islamic teachings. To do this one must understand them in their proper historical context. Admittedly, this is difficult to determine conclusively but I think it's fair to reference the vast majority of Muslims as relevant examples.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Ultimately, you have to return to the Quran for the inspiration, motive and authority of Islam. Muslims do not put the Quran into 'historical context' and you are intellectualizing a nationalist movement with the same goals today as there were 1400 years ago, and the same methods available to carry that out. So please, continue your research.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Islam was certainly not a "nationalist movement" and many of the most radical Muslims are extremely opposed to the Arab nationalism which emerged prior to the First World War. I also think you are incorrect in generalizing the way Muslims view the beginnings of Islam. It seems clear to me that the vast majority of Muslims do understand that that was a different time with very different circumstances.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Agreed. But the Muslim refuses to even enter into the dialoue concerning the 'cynical use' of the Quran, and in fact, only obfucates by refuffing concedeable facts. Then there is the necessary pointing to some historical Western failure to justify modren disappointments of Islam, only abetting terrorism in the name of 'allah'.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I don't think it's about justifying terrorism. I think it's about understanding why these people do these things without simply condemning the group or the religion.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
To understand, you will need to take a deeper look at the Quran and surrounding writings, and that is where the suspicion and condemnation begins.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I think a deep look at the Qur'an and hadiths as well as the biographies of Muhammad provide telling background for some of the things which critics love to bring up. I certainly hope to continue learning. I would again ask that you please use the message system if you would like to further this discussion. Thanks.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
But, when Muslims do bad things and can find verses in the Quran to support it [beating women, beheadings, et al.] we have an entirely different syllogism.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
I think one can find verses to justify a lot of things in any religious or ethical teaching but that doesn't mean that the Qur'an, for example, is being interpreted as it was meant to be. I would really prefer to conduct this type of discussion via messages to avoid the character limits and to keep our thoughts organized more clearly. I appreciate your tone in this discussion--it is much more reasonable that much of what I've received.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
if only ppl were open-minded as yourself
Yasmina2010 4 years ago
Thanks.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
i think this guy should the next president of wherever he's from
shaku92002 4 years ago
Thank you for the kind words and the endorsement, but I'm quite sure I wouldn't want the job, even if I were qualified. ;)
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
we are behind you man, all the way.
2007Khalid 4 years ago
Thanks. I appreciate it.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
thank u so much for this video!!! you are very fare! also, where ever islam is terror its because nonmuslims GO THERE and cause it, all the fighting is in middle east cuz nonmuslims go there and distroy every thing.then u say its the muslimz.
2007manal 4 years ago
Thanks.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Please, read the Koran and don't talk out of your ass.
Wittgenstein once said: „Worüber man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweige."
Translated: „Talk not about what you can not talk about."
nfoo 4 years ago
Did I make any comments on the Qur'an? No. I spoke (very generally) on violence in the Middle East. This is something on which I have done some study, so who's talking out of their ass?
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I'm sorry, sometimes I tend to be a little harsh. No personal offense meant!
You replied to a, at least fair and well done, comment on a ranting about the peacefullnes of the Islam, which was based on the absurdities found in the Koran.
With all respect, I cannot share your view of non-muslims causing „the" violence. This is a dangerous simplification.
We have to understand that our modern society is clashing against structures that haven't been thought over since the mid-ages.
nfoo 4 years ago
No worries. I wouldn't want you to think that I am trying to oversimplify things in that way. Let me clarify: I certainly think Muslims participate in violence and that some even do so in the name of religion. My point is that the religion, at its core, is not the cause of this type of violence but rather political, economic and social upheaval. I don't really buy Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" theory (if that's what you're referencing). Too systematic for me...
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I do think that their is a conflict between reactionary fundamentalism and liberal progressivism in the Muslim world and this manifests itself religiously. I think that the political and economic instability also serves to create frustration and creates a situation in which the conflict also manifests itself violently.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
plz brother/sister, if u wish to say somthin to some one, please choose yr words ((OUT YR AS)) i dont think thats how prophet Muhammad would have delt with it.also its not a muslim charecter to use profanity, its the non-religiuse ppl whom make it seem ok to use such lingo.i wouldant want a non muslim telling me((im talkin out my ass))
2007manal 4 years ago
I keep trying to post this comment but its not posting... anyways I was not directing the remark about slander to you but rather to the other people below who have said many slanderous things about Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).
8ONEWORLD8 4 years ago
BigSpoon, I was not saying that you had slandered the Prophet (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him)- that comment was directed towards some things that other people had posten in the text comments below. But I would like to clear one misconception that you had about the abuse of women being allowed in Islam.
8ONEWORLD8 4 years ago
Thank so you much for your solidarity BigSpoon19. The points you made were quite valid. I would just like to point out that in Islam, we are commanded to respect Prophet Jesus and Prophet Moses (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Them) and all the other Prophets as well as The Bible and The Torah. As Muslims we must show the same respect to all the holy books and all the Prophets, so please do not slander such a virtuous man as the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him).
8ONEWORLD8 4 years ago
Thank you for the comment. I hope I have not said anything that has been misunderstood as slanderous as I certainly would never intentionally do so.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
No I was not saying that you said anything slanderous about the prophet. That bit of the comment was directed to people who have posted slanderous things about Prophet Muhammad below. The only thing I wanted to point out to you is that the abuse of women is not tolerated in Islam. If you would like to me to clarify I would be happy to do so.
8ONEWORLD8 4 years ago
Thanks. I would be happy to hear anything you have to say on the issue. If the comments aren't working for you send a message, if you like. Peace.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
christians are turning into idol worshippers. you see all the golden bunnies on easter? lol
cane2346 4 years ago
i love how you talk about intent, because an honest intent is unusual in these types of things
ehsanul 4 years ago
I think it is important. You're right: Many people have an agenda when they bring up important or sensitive issues. They're more interested in winning an argument or convincing others than actually discussing. Thanks for the comment.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Mohammed pbuh was illiterate but wait a min can you possibly write even a line as good as the literature in the Quran. truelly i have never met an illiterate person write such a good book on literature.You need 2 get ur facts right and perhaps think before talking in future so u can back up what point you are trying to make.
RabzAhmed 4 years ago
What facts did I get wrong? Do you even understand the point I was trying to make? I'm saying the Muhammad didn't just copy from texts he read elsewhere. This could suggest that he was divinely inspired. This supports the Muslim perspective.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
nice hat woot
Skabanis 4 years ago
Thanks. I like it.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Muhammed fucked pigs and Camels Allah is Satan
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
Brilliant! Such insightful points...
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Why Thank-you, anything to get a rise out of those who are condemend to hell for following Satan. Allah was the name for several Moon gods in the ancient mid-east polytheism. Muhammed got many ancient writings from other cultures, including Jewish, Gnostic and Christian. Muhammed hated Jews because they saw the truth of his lies and mocked him... he drew first blood. Oldest trick of tyrants, get the people to rise against a percieved enemy.
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
Muhammad was illiterate and certainly not a religious scholar so it's unlikely that he drew on religious texts. Traditions perhaps but Islam was unique. You ignore the fact that the Jews were not a "perceived enemy"--they were Arabs--and actually challenged the Muslim community first.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
Muslimporkbellies, You are 10 times worse than BigSpoon. You only know how to spout name calling obsenities and just can't stick with facts, can you. Get lost!
Leilanie1235 4 years ago
i once was lost... but now I'm found. I worked with muslims until I had my life threatened for disagreeing with them in a polite way, they were not very polite to me once they could not delude me into believing their lies.
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
And how was your experience indicative of fundamental belief. People love to point out that Muslims are people and make the same mistakes all people make to try to prove how bad Islam is. It's silly.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I just ahve to look at the news to see how bad islam is.
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
You've still completely failed to understand the complexities of the issues involved in the conflicts on "the news." Whether you believe in Islam or not, whether you believe it's true or if you believe it's a lie, it is idiotic to attribute the conflicts in the Middle East solely to Islam. It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the issues and it demonstrates that you simply have an agenda.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
That's exactly what the F*** they want!! but if islam is so bad then why are so many Americans converting to it?!
Hooyomacaan 4 years ago
They will fool even the very elect in the great falling away.
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
wow, interesting youtube name. Did Satan suggest it to u? were there any other choices besides this one? like nigger on a stick perhaps. LOL, ur a pathetic excuse for a human being!
Hafouz21 4 years ago
Many people once converted to fascism. So that doesn't say nothing.
Muhammad was a rapist, murderer, paedophile, racist, warmonger, slave driver, extortionist, blackmailer, thief, robber baron, liar, pervert and oppressor.
Islam is a fascist cult of death and terror which oppresses women and threatens all non-muslims and considers them inferior.
mdv1975 4 years ago
wow, i never knew cults like that lasted so long. Over 1400 years and still going strong! I mean the Nazi regime led by Hitler lasted about 20-25 years and that was extreamly evil. This Islam must be led by Satan himself! LOL. Du u know how fucked up u sound u racist piece of shit!
Hafouz21 4 years ago
Yep... by Satan himself.
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
You got your bullshit by watching the news and you know it. Go read a book and learn something, motherfucker.
EmZeki 4 years ago
LOL! Did you even watch the video being replied to?
EmZeki 4 years ago
I'd like a comment from you about the Muslim cabbies at the Minneapolis airport who won't take fares if the people have alcohol or a dog. Even a seeing eye dog. Shari'a law is above any other law according to ANY devout Muslim. They come here, but want to change US.Slowly but surely!
Leilanie1235 4 years ago
You're right! Those horrible Muslims are trying to practice their religion in THEIR OWN CABS! That IS insidious! It's obviously a conspiracy to change America! I'm so glad you've ferreted out this diabolical scheme by these evil people! Have you heard about the evil Jews who won't work on the Sabbath? AND, they won't eat certain foods!! Their trying to attack our economy and trying to change America!!
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
They may own their own vehicles, but they are regulated by the city of Minneapolis and are licensed to carry ALL passengers. I have never said they were evil or that this is a diabolical scheme or insinuated such. Not eating what YOU don't want or chosing not working is not a public thing like being a cab driver on duty, who is forcing his religion on the city of Minneapolis citizens.Again, calling names, tells me that you are like the uneducated. You have no other way to disagree.
Leilanie1235 4 years ago
It actually is the same thing. Not wanting to work around what YOU don't think is ok (as strange as it may seem to others) is your choice. And you ARE insinuating that this is something that demonstrates that we should not trust Muslims or they are not good Americans. You're make very large leaps of logic. I didn't call you a name. I said that what you are saying is xenophobic and ignorant. Whatever you believe, your comments are of the kind that causes people to fear those that are different.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I do think it shouldn't matter to the cabbie what the passenger is doing, but it does. To make the leap in logic that because people choose to practice their religion in a strange way, they are going to turn on everybody when push comes to shove is silly. I think I'm done with this unless you want to address something said in my video. I've allowed you to completely pull me off the topic and not only is it silly, but completely irrelevant. Be afraid of whoever you like. Have fun with that.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago
I never said I was afraid. Time will tell won't it, who's right. Frankly, I celebrate the differences and that we have the right to practice our different religions. You sure can't do that any Muslim country. I'm done. We shall see.
Leilanie1235 4 years ago
One more thing, (sorry I can't help it), How did the Minneapolis Muslim cabbies get to the USA or other Muslims who travel on airplanes where alcohol is present & served? Of course. They pick and chose their battles seems to me.
Leilanie1235 4 years ago
why is it that ok to prohibit christians from freely pparcticing their religion, but not muslims?
muslimPorkBellies 4 years ago
There you go, you said it all right there. Good on ya!We now have an Egg Hunt and a Bunny comes to our park the week before Easter instead of an Easter Egg Hunt or a visit from the Easter Bunny. We can't even HINT that this is a religious holiday. Political correctness is crap and freedom is down the tube here also.
Leilanie1235 4 years ago
I completely agree. I think it's quite silly that people are so sensitive to others' religious beliefs that they are offended when they see any hint of religious practice in public. It's ridiculous.
BigSpoon19 4 years ago